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PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
Minutes of September 21, 1966
1. The regular meeting of the Parks & Recreation Commission was
called to order by Chairman Caswell at 7:35 P.M. at City Hall,
5930 North Kauffman Avenue, Temple City.
2. The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was led by the Chairman.
3. ROLL CALL: Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
Commissioners: Adams, Cornelison,
Greenberg, Caswell
Commissioners: Gunst
Director of Recreation Victor Kobett
4 APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
(a) Regular Meeting, July 20, 1966 - Commissioner Greenberg
moved to approve, seconded by Commissioner Adams and carried,
(b) Adjourned Meeting, August 3, 1966 - Commissioner Adams
moved to approve, seconded by Commissioner Caswell and
carried.
CLOVERLEAF SQUARES: Mr. Kobett advised the Commission that Mr.
Alan Lloyd, square dance instructor for the Cloverleaf Squares,
approached him more than a month ago with a proposal for con-
sideration by the City to co- sponsor a square dance class at
Live Oak Park. This proposal differs in many ways with present
City policy. Mr. Kobett explained to the Commission that our
present policy works very effectively for many programs, but has
never seemed to work too well with square dance groups, Mr.
Kobett read Mr. Lloyd's proposal, which states that the Clover-
leaf Squares will submit to the City (for instructor's fees for
10 weeks) $150. The group will collect $1.50 per couple at the
door and retain a maximum of $15 per class. Any excess will be
turned over to the Parks & Recreation Department by Alan Lloyd,
who will be a Specialist employee. He will also be issued a key
and be responsible for opening and closing the facility and for
keeping the books. At the end of the 10 week period, the group
will resubmit $150 for the second 10 week period for instructors
fee. The entire program will be completed in 30 weeks. If mini-
mum registration is not met, the program will terminate.
Under the present City policy, the City collects an advance re-
gistration fee and the instructor is employed as a specialist
and after submitting a time -card, is paid out of the 703 account,
No key is issued, and the program is conducted during normal
park hours. Mr. Lloyd addressed the Commission to speak on be-
half of himself, stating that he resides at 4919 Heleo and has
been a long -time resident of the City. He explained that the
Cloverleaf Squares is a group of almost entirely Temple City
residents who have previously taken Square Dance lessions and
have formed a club to dance for their own enjoyment. The club
is open to the public, as it is desirable to have 16 couples.
At present, the club only has 10 couples. Mr. Lloyd's fee as
instructor is $15 per class, which includes all his own equipment
The $15 per night retained from door receipts takes care of this
fee, and is resubmitted to the City in a lump sum ($150) after
the 10 week class - period. The class would be held on Monday
nights from 0 :00 - 11:00 p.m., which are not normal park hours,
thus the necessity for a key, as the club could not affort to
pay $3.00 per hour for authorized City personnel to perform this
duty. Commissioner Adams stated he would like to see other pro-
grams conducted at the park this same night, thus alleviating
the necessity of releasing a key. Discussion followed, the mutw .
feeling being that this was a good anl . desirable prograiti, tput
felt the City Attorney should review the proposed policy before
approval is given.
Commissioner Adams moved that Mr. Alan Lloyd be retained as a
specialist in the square dance area and will be responsible for
the area at Live Oak Park during the hours of 7:30 - 11:00 p.m,
commencing September 26, 1966, and will be responsible for the
collection of fees and the conduct of the activity and be given
a key to open and close the park. Motion seconded by Commissione:
Greenberg. Commissioner Adams amended the motion, seconded by
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c o m m e n c e o n S e p t e m b e r 2 6 , 1 9 6 6 , M r . L l o y d r e q u e s t e d t h a t t h e p r o -
g r a m s t a r t a s s c h e d u l e d o n a f e e a n d c h a r g e r e n t a l b a s i s u n t i l
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a c t o n t h e r e c o m m e n d a t i o n . M r . K o b e t t a d v i s e d M r . L l o y d t h a t
t h i s c o u l d b e w o r k e d o u t a t t h e c o n c l u s i o n o f t h e m e e t i n g .
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M r . K o b e t t r e a d a l e t t e r f r o m t h e T e m p l e C i t y S o c c e r C l u b r e q u e s t -
i n g t h e C i t y t o a g a i n c o - s p o n s o r s o c c e r , w i t h a n a d d i t i o n a l r e -
q u e s t t o w i d e n t h e f i e l d t o r e g u l a t i o n . M r . K o b e t t s t a t e d t h a t
t h e l o c a l c l u b i s s a t i s f i e d w i t h t h e f i e l d t h e w a y i t i s l a i d o u t ,
b u t m a n y o u t s i d e c l u b s w i l l n o t u s e t h e f i e l d b e c a u s e L e a g u e r u l e s
s t i p u l a t e r e g u l a t i o n f i e l d f o r L e a g u e c o m p e t i t i o n . T h e s o c c e r
s e a s o n i s f r o m O c t o b e r t h r o u g h M a y , a n d a l t h o u g h i t w o u l d b e p o s -
s i b l e t o w i d e n t h e f i e l d b y r e l o c a t i n g t h e g o a l p o s t s , i t w o u l d
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i n t e r f e r e w i t h L i t t l e L e a g u e .
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o f t h e T e m p l e C i t y S o c c e r C l u b , s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r A d a m s
a n d c a r r i e d u n a n i m o u s l y . C o m m i s s i o n e r G r e e n b e r g s t a t e d h e f e l t
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p l a i n i n g t h a t i t i s n o t p o s s i b l e t o w i d e n t h e f i e l d a t p r e s e n t .
6 . L O N G D E N S C H O O L P T A - R E Q U E S T T O A D J U S T P L A Y G R O U N D H O U R S :
M r . K o b e t t r e a d l e t t e r r e q u e s t i n g t h a t t h e p l a y g r o u n d p r o g r a m
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w o u l d n o t m i n d i f t h e p r o g r a m c l o s e d 1 5 m i n u t e s e a r l i e r . C o m -
m i s s i o n e r A d a m s m o v e d t o g r a n t , s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r G r e e n -
b e r g , D i s c u s s i o n f o l l o w e d , a t w h i c h t i m e M r . K o b e t t a d v i s e d t h e
C o m m i s s i o n t h a t a c h a n g e o f h o u r s w o u l d p o s e p r o b l e m s . - , T h e p u r -
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g i v e t h e y o u n g s t e r s a n o p p o r t u n i t y t o g o h o m e , c h a n g e t h e i r
c l o t h e s a n d a d v i s e t h e i r p a r e n t s . A n o t h e r p r o b l e m i s t h a t m a n y
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w o u l d b e a c o n f l i c t w i t h L e a g u e g a m e s . M r . K o b e t t a l s o s t a t e d
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t h e l e a d e r b y 5 p , r n . M o n e y i s o n l y b u d g e t e d f o r 1 2 h o u r s .
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t a b l e t h i s i t e m u n t i l a S t u d y S e s s i o n o n O c t o b e r 5 , 1 9 6 6 , a t w h f t h
t i m e t h e C o m m i s s i o n w i l l s t u d y t h e f e a s a b i l i t y o f e x t e n d i n g t h e
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F O U N T A I N :
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d r e s s e d t h e C o m m i s s i o n , - s t a t i n g t h a t t h e C l u b w i s h e d t o p u r c h a s e
a l i o n ' s h e a d d r i n k i n g f o u n t a i n a n d d o n a t e i t t o t h e C i t y f o r
p l a c e m e n t i n T e m p l e C i t y P a r k . E v e n t u a l l y , t h e C l u b w o u l d l i k e t c
p u r c h a s e a n o t h e r o n e f o r L i v e O a k P a r k . T h e C o m m i s s i o n d i s c u s s e d
t h e m a t t e r a n d f e l t t h a t t h e f i r s t d r i n k i n g f o u n t a i n s h o u l d g o i n
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c h i l d r e n p a r t i c i p a t i n g i n a c t i v i t i e s a t t h i s l o c a t i o n . A n o t h e r
f a c t o r t o c o n s i d e r a t t h i s t i m e w o u l d b e t h e q u e s t i o n o f l o c a t i o n
a n d i n s t a l l a t i o n i n T e m p l e C i t y P a r k d u e t o t h e r e m o d e l l i n g .
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l i o n d r i n k i n g f o u n t a i n a n d t h e C o m m i s s i o n i s i n f a v o r o f t h e i n -
s t a l l a t i o n a t b o t h T e m p l e C i t y a n d L i v e O a k P a r k , b u t p r e f e r t h a t
t h e f i r s t o n e b e p l a c e d a t L i v e O a k P a r k . S e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n -
e r G r e e n b e r g a n d c a r r i e d u n a n i m o u s l y .
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. 8. RECREATION REPORT: Mr. Kobett advised there were no programs and
thus no report at this time.
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9. COMMUNICATIONS: Mr. Kobett read a letter from the American Sen-
ior Citizens Assn., Inc., headquarters located in Los Angeles,
requesting that the City adopt an ordinance permitting the Ameri-
can Senior Citizens Assn. the opportunity to inform the Temple
City Senior Citizens of the many discounts available to them
through this organization. Chairman Caswell moved to table to
October 5, 1966.
10. MATTERS FROM CITY OFFICIALS:
(1) KOBETT: Advised the Commission that there is quite a size-
able piece of property (5300 sq. ft.) for sale on the east
side of Temple City Blvd. northerly of Longden Avenue. The
Commissioners agreed this sounded promising, and Chairman
Caswell suggested this item be tabled until the Study Ses-
sion and requested that the Department furnish each Commis-
sioner with a proposed plan prior to October 5th to enable
them to study a proposal.
(2) Commissioner Adams asked if there was anything specific re-
quired of the Commissioners for the forthcoming City Picnic
and was advised by the Director that just their presence was
hoped for, although there would be need for a car with a
P.A. system to follow the parade.
11. TIME FOR THOSE IN AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK: No one came
forward.
12. ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Adams moved to adjourn at 9 :42 to the
Study Session on October 5, 1966 at 730 p.m. at the City Hall,
5938 N. Kauffman Ave., Temple City. Seconded by Commissioner
Cornelison and carried.
ATTEST:
City Clerk
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