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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2019.10.25 Special Council Meeting MINUTES McCall City Council Special Meeting McCall City Hall -- Legion Hall October 25, 2019 Business Agenda Work Session Adjournment CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL Mayor Aymon called the special meeting of the McCall City Council to order at 9:00 a.m. Mayor Aymon, Council Member Giles, Council Member Nielsen, and Council Member Sowers all answered roll call. Council Member Holmes was absent City staff members present were BessieJo Wagner, City Clerk; Rick Stein, Airport Manager; Michelle Groenevelt, Community and Economic Development Director Also, in attendance was Kevin Bissell, T.O. Engineers; BUSINESS AGENDA AB 19-231 Request to Approve an Easement Between Idaho Power Company and the City of McCall for an Easement and Right-of-Way for an Underground Utility Line Due to upcoming construction of the Taxiway Relocation Project, an existing power line that services Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) navigational aids will need to be moved. This easement will permit Idaho Power Company an easement and right of way to install and maintain a power on City property. Council Member Nielsen moved to approve the easement between Idaho Power Company and the City of McCall for an easement and right of way and authorize the Mayor to sign all necessary documents. Council Member Giles seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council Member Nielsen, Council Member Giles, Mayor Aymon, and Council Member Sowers all voted aye and the motion carried. WORK SESSION AB 19-232 Presentation Introducing Possible Airport Development Projects Discussion and Direction Airport Manager Rick Stein presented Airport Development Projects to familiarize Council with future development possibilities and the upcoming Airport Master Plan process. Staff requests to MCCALL CITY COUNCIL Page 1 of 6 October 25, 2019 Special Meeting receive Council feedback on the projects. Kevin Bissell of T.O. Engineers, the City’s Airport Engineer, will be present to assist with the discussion and questions. The Points of Discussion are as follows: SHORT TERM (1-2 YEARS) Triangle Development – Ground Leases – Space is currently available for 4 ground leases of approximately 8,000 square feet each. Upon FAA approval, leases will be offered, in order, to prospective tenants on the hangar waiting list. These leases are expected to provide additional revenues of $9,600 annually. Airport Manager Rick Stein shared that the AAC is in favor of the Triangle development. He stated that he would be working with T-O on that development. He stated that if there is no FAA objection, that work will start after the taxiway project is underway. Airport Manager Stein asked the Council - do they still want him to move forward with the triangle development? Mayor Aymon wanted to know is there a better use than hangars for the triangle. Mr. Stein responded that no, with the waiting list for hangars there is a need that the triangle development could help fill those needs. Kevin Bissell of T.O. Engineers stated that there is more of a desire for hangar space as opposed to tie down areas. Council Member Nielsen wanted to know about the utilities and who would pay for them. Mr. stein responded stating that he is getting quotes on electricity; however, at this point they are more in the concept stage and those numbers would come later. Council Member Nielsen felt that the triangle development was a good idea but concerned with the possible cost to the city for the infrastructure. Council Member Giles feels that the AAC has an expectation that the City would move forward with the triangle development, so he is in favor of that; however, he is also concerned with the possible costs. Council Member Sowers stated that he had toured the area and felt that some of the aircraft were tight. He felt that the triangle is good functional space. He wanted to know what will happen when we grow out of parking space for aircraft. Mr. Stein responded stating that the engineering will show that there is enough room to keep everything functional. Mr. Stein stated that all hangars were currently full, none for sale, with a possibility of one going up for sale. He stated that Cascade has some affordable hangar solutions, which creates some competition. However, most people want hangars where they live. Mr. Bissell stated that most aircraft owners will be looking at condominium style hangars. There was some Council discussion about costs. Mayor Aymon stated that if there is a need then the city should move forward with the triangle development. Council Member Nielsen was concerned with costs for the city related to infrastructure. He also commented that here may be a tie down need. Mr. Stein commented that there was no need for additional tiedown spaces at this time. There was continued discussion regarding aircraft parking spaces. Council Member Sowers wanted to know how many non-FAA activities were happening in the Hangars. He feels that some may be using their hangars as a storage area that does not meet FAA MCCALL CITY COUNCIL Page 2 of 6 October 25, 2019 Special Meeting standard. Mr. Stein stated that as long as there is an aircraft in the hangar then other storage is allowed. He also commented that there may be hangars that are not in compliance. Council Member Giles commented that some pilots have expressed concern that there is non-aircraft activity happening in the hangars. Mr. Stein commented that he will look into and add this to his project list. Council Member Nielsen wanted additional discussion regarding the tie down issue. Deinhard 1 Development – A space which is approximately 19,400 sq ft ground lease directly across from St. Luke’s Clinic on Deinhard Lane. Per City Council directive, Dew Aircraft, Inc. has first rights on leasing. The Airport is currently in lease negotiations with Mr. Dew. A ground lease of this area will provide additional revenues of $5,820 annually. Mr. Stein stated that his understanding was that Dew Aircraft has first claim on this possible development. He stated that the AAC is in favor of Mr. Stein to continue negotiations with Dew. Mr. Stein asked if the Council would also be interested in his further negotiations with Dew. Council Member Nielsen that Dew is a good local business that needs a new space. His concern about the development was with the proximity to access to Deinhard Lane and ITD. Mr. Stein has spoken with Public Works Director Nathan Stewart, Community and Economic Development Director Michelle Groenevelt, and City Planner Morgan Bessaw on the possible effects on traffic in the area this development might have. Council Member Nielsen feels the access point is a real concern and asked how this development would be accessed. Mr. Stein responded stating that entry would be at 336 Deinhard where the current Parks and Rec Office is, and no new access points would be created. Mr. Stein stated that he will work with P&Z to ensure it is acceptable to ITD. Council Member Nielsen asked if the new development would affect the medical transport. Mr. Stein stated that the medical transport will still be able to park, and their access would not change. Council Member Giles concerned with the number of commercial hangars on the waiting list, why is Dew first in line. He stated that he did not understand how that came about and did someone of authority make this decision. Mr. Stein responded that the AAC commented that Dew Aircraft would be first. He also commented that the Council could put it out for proposal for bids if desired. He had gone with Dew as he was told it was already decided. Council Member Giles would like the City attorney to weigh-in on what the City’s possible liability would be if they did not go out to bid for the space. The City Clerk will research to see if it documented somewhere that Dew is slotted for that spot. Council Member Sowers wanted to know why Dew Aircraft would want that spot. Mr. Stein stated it was because they are a commercial outfit, with limited space and they want street side as opposed to the triangle as it is safer for their commercial operation. Council Member Sowers asked if there was potential for Through-The-Fence (TTF) operation on the west side of airport. Mr. Stein stated that the Forest Service is in the process of bringing in a larger aircraft that would limit the use of that safety zone and is also not a large use of land. Council Member Sowers stated that at some time the City needs to look at growing south and east and how do address those opportunities with TTF development. Mayor Aymon asked what the proposed use is for where Dew is currently located. Mr. Stein responded stating that currently the space is leased to McCall Aviation. Mayor Aymon aske if they will be able to access this new location. Mr. Stein stated that they will have to meet FAA standards and have room for their operations. Mayor Aymon also wanted to know who will pay for the MCCALL CITY COUNCIL Page 3 of 6 October 25, 2019 Special Meeting construction of building. Mr. Stein stated that the builder pays for construction as it would only be a ground lease. Council wanted to know if the development would improve efficiency and what is the reason for this particular development. Mr. Stein responded stated that it would be for airplane maintenance which is important and is currently limited on space and staff. The new space would allow for more area and the ability to service more aircraft in a timelier manner. Council Member Giles asked if the Council could hear public comment. Public Comments Bob Looper – Dew is important to the operations of the Airport and with growth. He feels Dew should be the new development and should be close to the street. He feels there should be a master plan that shows this growth. Mr. Looper stated that he was not certain as to why this plan does not currently exist. He stated that the airport just needs a master plan to show where these things will go and feels the city needs to figure out how to grow to the south. He stated that the McCall Airport is a great airport and a great attraction to McCall. He concluded that there was a lot of demand for hangars. Karen Janiak with Sawtooth was in support of Dew in this new space as there is a need for it. Shae stated that she was concerned with removing the diagonal taxiway and with the flow and the jets and the fire suppression aircraft. She feels there can be development without removing the diagonal taxiway. Ken Lawson spoke in favor of Dew being in a bigger space and a need for more hangars. He stated that he was pro-growth and containment. Kevin Bissel commented that the last master plan did look at development of the north apron development. He stated that historically a firefighting staging area occupied that area. The south and east development has been looked at in the last master plan. He also commented that the FAA has requested that the diagonal taxiway be removed from the current location. INTERMEDIATE TERM (2-5 YEARS) Deinhard 2 Development – An area of approximately 9,600 square feet to have “in pocket” for commercial aeronautical use. Lease area limits depend on the design of the Taxiway Relocation project. This development would be directly across from Fire department. Mr. Stein would like to have this available if someone comes along that is interested in a commercial use; it would yield $3000 annually. He stated that this development may not be a viable project; however, would like to present it in case it would be available and wanted to know if the Council would like it to move forward with a concept. Council Member Sowers stated that he would like to see concept. Council Member Giles was interested if the AAC is in favor. Mr. Stein confirmed that AAC is for this type of project. Council Member Nielsen was ok with it being identified; however, was concerned with cramming a lot of stuff onto the airport. Mayor Aymon was ok with a plan as it is always good to have a plan. Airport T-Hangar Development – Staff is seeking direction in desirability of airport-funded “T- Hangars” for rental. If so, a business case will be created and provided to AAC for recommendation, MCCALL CITY COUNCIL Page 4 of 6 October 25, 2019 Special Meeting and CC for approval. Mr. Stein showed the different ways this type of hangar can be designed. He stated that the McCall Airport does not currently have any t-hangars. There is currently many tiedown spaces and there is interest in this type of hangar. He stated that a T-Hangar type development would be very basic with no utilities except electricity. The concept has manual roll up doors to cut down on cost. Mr. Stein asked if the Council would be interested in staff doing a cost analysis of this type of development. He stated that there would be about $250-300 a month revenue in rent. He stated if interested he would come back with more true costs Council Member Giles asked Kevin Bissell when the Master Plan would come into play. Mr. Bissell commented that the Master plan will take about 12 months with lots of public input equaling about 5 public meetings, so 12 to 18 months for the draft go to FAA. Mr. Stein asked if the Council is interested in staff working on some firm numbers. Council Member Nielsen feels that the master plan needs to look at this possible development and what will the master plan show will be the effect on larger development. Council Member Giles feels once the master plan is done then there will be more knowledge to move forward. Council Member Sowers also felt that the master plan was most important. Mayor Aymon recognizes the need to maximize the space. Stein stated the 2 top projects are the Master Plan and taxiway relocation – all these other projects would come after. He also stated that T-Hangars prohibits any miss use of the hangars. There was a comment from the audience that there was lots of interest for development at the Airport. Airport Shade Hangars – Staff is seeking direction in the desirability of airport-funded Shade Hangars for rental. If so, a business case will be created and provided to AAC for recommendation, and CC for approval. Mr. Stein only introduced the concept of the shade hangars. The T-Hangars have the most interest. Mayor Aymon wanted to make sure that snow storage is considered with all of these different concepts. Kevin Bissell presented the following: the FAA asked that the taxiway location supplemental funding at 100% grant, wanted to know if it will move 300 or 400 feet? The Environmental Assessment was for 300 ft; however, FAA would like it to move 400 ft. He stated that they are using cameras to determine the types of aircraft using the airport. At this time, they have more than 30,000 pictures that show most are small aircraft design group b. There are occasional larger aircraft and limited in the time of year they come here. He stated that the after the analysis it shows that the McCall Airport is a design group 2 type of airport per the FAA, therefor the design of the relocation will be 300 ft. The FAA will not support construction for anything larger. Mr. Bissell stated that construction should start in 2020 with phasing and reconfiguring the apron will be part of the project and may take an additional summer to complete. The plan is to issue a Request for Proposals for the Airport Master Plan. A grant for the Master Plan will be available June 2020. It is a 1-year process that should be should complete by December 2021. The $10 mil grant should be available by spring of 2020 for construction. A planning grant is in the pipeline and should be available and awarded in the spring 2020. Mr. Bissell stated that the triangle development has been a deterrent for development for some time. The Master plan will show land acquisition for growth and development. Council Member Nielsen asked about the FAA’s opinion on TTF developments. Mr. Bissell responded stating that the FAA has softened on some TTF development; however, residential is MCCALL CITY COUNCIL Page 5 of 6 October 25, 2019 Special Meeting still forbidden. He stated that the FAA may consider a development of hangars on private property with a TTF Agreement. He does not feel large scale TTF operations is advisable and can be very difficult to negotiate with. Mayor Aymon asked if land acquisition was needed for growth. Mr. Bissell confirmed stating that as McCall grows there will be a need for more hangars and more needs for FBO type of development. The Forest Service is looking at staging more aircraft that will need more land to the west. Council Member Sowers asked what the feeling from the property owners is, are some willing to sell and how does the city partner with these property owners that does not preclude the city airport getting the revenue needed to maintain the airport. Council Member Nielsen wanted to know how we have these items move forward together at the same time.Mr.Bissell responded stated that they cannot do a business plan but can do an economic feasibility study. The FAA encourages lease rates should be equitable, with a lot of demand for hangars, make sure they are charging fair market value. Mr. Bissell stated that the previous Airport Manager had talked with the FAA about the development for Dew and had been approved to move forward. Any other development on the apron would be a concern. He feels it is a good location for Dew. ADJOURNMENT Without further business,Mayor Aymon adjourned the meeting at 11:01 p.m. `o vteCA L4 06( VPA ATTEST: 3 SEAL O J kie J. 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