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McCall City Council
Special Meeting
McCall City Hall -- Legion Hall
October 25, 2019
Business Agenda
Work Session
Adjournment
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
Mayor Aymon called the special meeting of the McCall City Council to order at 9:00 a.m.
Mayor Aymon, Council Member Giles, Council Member Nielsen, and Council Member
Sowers all answered roll call. Council Member Holmes was absent
City staff members present were BessieJo Wagner, City Clerk; Rick Stein, Airport Manager;
Michelle Groenevelt, Community and Economic Development Director
Also, in attendance was Kevin Bissell, T.O. Engineers;
BUSINESS AGENDA
AB 19-231 Request to Approve an Easement Between Idaho Power Company and the City
of McCall for an Easement and Right-of-Way for an Underground Utility Line
Due to upcoming construction of the Taxiway Relocation Project, an existing power line that
services Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) navigational aids will need to be moved. This
easement will permit Idaho Power Company an easement and right of way to install and maintain
a power on City property.
Council Member Nielsen moved to approve the easement between Idaho Power Company
and the City of McCall for an easement and right of way and authorize the Mayor to sign all
necessary documents. Council Member Giles seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council
Member Nielsen, Council Member Giles, Mayor Aymon, and Council Member Sowers all
voted aye and the motion carried.
WORK SESSION
AB 19-232 Presentation Introducing Possible Airport Development Projects Discussion and
Direction
Airport Manager Rick Stein presented Airport Development Projects to familiarize Council with
future development possibilities and the upcoming Airport Master Plan process. Staff requests to
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receive Council feedback on the projects. Kevin Bissell of T.O. Engineers, the City’s Airport
Engineer, will be present to assist with the discussion and questions.
The Points of Discussion are as follows:
SHORT TERM (1-2 YEARS)
Triangle Development – Ground Leases – Space is currently available for 4 ground leases of
approximately 8,000 square feet each. Upon FAA approval, leases will be offered, in order, to
prospective tenants on the hangar waiting list. These leases are expected to provide additional revenues
of $9,600 annually. Airport Manager Rick Stein shared that the AAC is in favor of the Triangle
development. He stated that he would be working with T-O on that development. He stated that if
there is no FAA objection, that work will start after the taxiway project is underway.
Airport Manager Stein asked the Council - do they still want him to move forward with the triangle
development?
Mayor Aymon wanted to know is there a better use than hangars for the triangle. Mr. Stein
responded that no, with the waiting list for hangars there is a need that the triangle development
could help fill those needs. Kevin Bissell of T.O. Engineers stated that there is more of a desire for
hangar space as opposed to tie down areas.
Council Member Nielsen wanted to know about the utilities and who would pay for them. Mr.
stein responded stating that he is getting quotes on electricity; however, at this point they are more
in the concept stage and those numbers would come later. Council Member Nielsen felt that the
triangle development was a good idea but concerned with the possible cost to the city for the
infrastructure.
Council Member Giles feels that the AAC has an expectation that the City would move forward
with the triangle development, so he is in favor of that; however, he is also concerned with the
possible costs.
Council Member Sowers stated that he had toured the area and felt that some of the aircraft were
tight. He felt that the triangle is good functional space. He wanted to know what will happen when
we grow out of parking space for aircraft. Mr. Stein responded stating that the engineering will
show that there is enough room to keep everything functional.
Mr. Stein stated that all hangars were currently full, none for sale, with a possibility of one going
up for sale. He stated that Cascade has some affordable hangar solutions, which creates some
competition. However, most people want hangars where they live. Mr. Bissell stated that most
aircraft owners will be looking at condominium style hangars. There was some Council discussion
about costs.
Mayor Aymon stated that if there is a need then the city should move forward with the triangle
development.
Council Member Nielsen was concerned with costs for the city related to infrastructure. He also
commented that here may be a tie down need. Mr. Stein commented that there was no need for
additional tiedown spaces at this time. There was continued discussion regarding aircraft parking
spaces.
Council Member Sowers wanted to know how many non-FAA activities were happening in the
Hangars. He feels that some may be using their hangars as a storage area that does not meet FAA
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standard. Mr. Stein stated that as long as there is an aircraft in the hangar then other storage is
allowed. He also commented that there may be hangars that are not in compliance. Council
Member Giles commented that some pilots have expressed concern that there is non-aircraft
activity happening in the hangars. Mr. Stein commented that he will look into and add this to his
project list.
Council Member Nielsen wanted additional discussion regarding the tie down issue.
Deinhard 1 Development – A space which is approximately 19,400 sq ft ground lease directly across
from St. Luke’s Clinic on Deinhard Lane. Per City Council directive, Dew Aircraft, Inc. has first rights
on leasing. The Airport is currently in lease negotiations with Mr. Dew. A ground lease of this area
will provide additional revenues of $5,820 annually. Mr. Stein stated that his understanding was that
Dew Aircraft has first claim on this possible development. He stated that the AAC is in favor of
Mr. Stein to continue negotiations with Dew. Mr. Stein asked if the Council would also be
interested in his further negotiations with Dew.
Council Member Nielsen that Dew is a good local business that needs a new space. His concern
about the development was with the proximity to access to Deinhard Lane and ITD. Mr. Stein has
spoken with Public Works Director Nathan Stewart, Community and Economic Development
Director Michelle Groenevelt, and City Planner Morgan Bessaw on the possible effects on traffic
in the area this development might have. Council Member Nielsen feels the access point is a real
concern and asked how this development would be accessed. Mr. Stein responded stating that entry
would be at 336 Deinhard where the current Parks and Rec Office is, and no new access points
would be created. Mr. Stein stated that he will work with P&Z to ensure it is acceptable to ITD.
Council Member Nielsen asked if the new development would affect the medical transport. Mr.
Stein stated that the medical transport will still be able to park, and their access would not change.
Council Member Giles concerned with the number of commercial hangars on the waiting list, why
is Dew first in line. He stated that he did not understand how that came about and did someone of
authority make this decision. Mr. Stein responded that the AAC commented that Dew Aircraft
would be first. He also commented that the Council could put it out for proposal for bids if desired.
He had gone with Dew as he was told it was already decided. Council Member Giles would like
the City attorney to weigh-in on what the City’s possible liability would be if they did not go out
to bid for the space. The City Clerk will research to see if it documented somewhere that Dew is
slotted for that spot.
Council Member Sowers wanted to know why Dew Aircraft would want that spot. Mr. Stein stated
it was because they are a commercial outfit, with limited space and they want street side as opposed
to the triangle as it is safer for their commercial operation.
Council Member Sowers asked if there was potential for Through-The-Fence (TTF) operation on
the west side of airport. Mr. Stein stated that the Forest Service is in the process of bringing in a
larger aircraft that would limit the use of that safety zone and is also not a large use of land. Council
Member Sowers stated that at some time the City needs to look at growing south and east and how
do address those opportunities with TTF development.
Mayor Aymon asked what the proposed use is for where Dew is currently located. Mr. Stein
responded stating that currently the space is leased to McCall Aviation. Mayor Aymon aske if they
will be able to access this new location. Mr. Stein stated that they will have to meet FAA standards
and have room for their operations. Mayor Aymon also wanted to know who will pay for the
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construction of building. Mr. Stein stated that the builder pays for construction as it would only be
a ground lease.
Council wanted to know if the development would improve efficiency and what is the reason for
this particular development. Mr. Stein responded stated that it would be for airplane maintenance
which is important and is currently limited on space and staff. The new space would allow for
more area and the ability to service more aircraft in a timelier manner.
Council Member Giles asked if the Council could hear public comment.
Public Comments
Bob Looper – Dew is important to the operations of the Airport and with growth. He feels Dew
should be the new development and should be close to the street. He feels there should be a master
plan that shows this growth. Mr. Looper stated that he was not certain as to why this plan does not
currently exist. He stated that the airport just needs a master plan to show where these things will
go and feels the city needs to figure out how to grow to the south. He stated that the McCall Airport
is a great airport and a great attraction to McCall. He concluded that there was a lot of demand for
hangars.
Karen Janiak with Sawtooth was in support of Dew in this new space as there is a need for it. Shae
stated that she was concerned with removing the diagonal taxiway and with the flow and the jets
and the fire suppression aircraft. She feels there can be development without removing the diagonal
taxiway.
Ken Lawson spoke in favor of Dew being in a bigger space and a need for more hangars. He stated
that he was pro-growth and containment.
Kevin Bissel commented that the last master plan did look at development of the north apron
development. He stated that historically a firefighting staging area occupied that area. The south
and east development has been looked at in the last master plan. He also commented that the FAA
has requested that the diagonal taxiway be removed from the current location.
INTERMEDIATE TERM (2-5 YEARS)
Deinhard 2 Development – An area of approximately 9,600 square feet to have “in pocket” for
commercial aeronautical use. Lease area limits depend on the design of the Taxiway Relocation
project. This development would be directly across from Fire department. Mr. Stein would like to
have this available if someone comes along that is interested in a commercial use; it would yield
$3000 annually. He stated that this development may not be a viable project; however, would like
to present it in case it would be available and wanted to know if the Council would like it to move
forward with a concept.
Council Member Sowers stated that he would like to see concept.
Council Member Giles was interested if the AAC is in favor. Mr. Stein confirmed that AAC is for
this type of project.
Council Member Nielsen was ok with it being identified; however, was concerned with cramming
a lot of stuff onto the airport.
Mayor Aymon was ok with a plan as it is always good to have a plan.
Airport T-Hangar Development – Staff is seeking direction in desirability of airport-funded “T-
Hangars” for rental. If so, a business case will be created and provided to AAC for recommendation,
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and CC for approval. Mr. Stein showed the different ways this type of hangar can be designed. He
stated that the McCall Airport does not currently have any t-hangars. There is currently many
tiedown spaces and there is interest in this type of hangar. He stated that a T-Hangar type
development would be very basic with no utilities except electricity. The concept has manual roll
up doors to cut down on cost. Mr. Stein asked if the Council would be interested in staff doing a
cost analysis of this type of development. He stated that there would be about $250-300 a month
revenue in rent. He stated if interested he would come back with more true costs
Council Member Giles asked Kevin Bissell when the Master Plan would come into play. Mr.
Bissell commented that the Master plan will take about 12 months with lots of public input
equaling about 5 public meetings, so 12 to 18 months for the draft go to FAA.
Mr. Stein asked if the Council is interested in staff working on some firm numbers. Council
Member Nielsen feels that the master plan needs to look at this possible development and what
will the master plan show will be the effect on larger development. Council Member Giles feels
once the master plan is done then there will be more knowledge to move forward. Council Member
Sowers also felt that the master plan was most important. Mayor Aymon recognizes the need to
maximize the space.
Stein stated the 2 top projects are the Master Plan and taxiway relocation – all these other projects
would come after. He also stated that T-Hangars prohibits any miss use of the hangars. There was
a comment from the audience that there was lots of interest for development at the Airport.
Airport Shade Hangars – Staff is seeking direction in the desirability of airport-funded Shade
Hangars for rental. If so, a business case will be created and provided to AAC for recommendation,
and CC for approval. Mr. Stein only introduced the concept of the shade hangars. The T-Hangars
have the most interest.
Mayor Aymon wanted to make sure that snow storage is considered with all of these different
concepts.
Kevin Bissell presented the following: the FAA asked that the taxiway location supplemental
funding at 100% grant, wanted to know if it will move 300 or 400 feet? The Environmental
Assessment was for 300 ft; however, FAA would like it to move 400 ft. He stated that they are
using cameras to determine the types of aircraft using the airport. At this time, they have more than
30,000 pictures that show most are small aircraft design group b. There are occasional larger
aircraft and limited in the time of year they come here. He stated that the after the analysis it shows
that the McCall Airport is a design group 2 type of airport per the FAA, therefor the design of the
relocation will be 300 ft. The FAA will not support construction for anything larger. Mr. Bissell
stated that construction should start in 2020 with phasing and reconfiguring the apron will be part
of the project and may take an additional summer to complete.
The plan is to issue a Request for Proposals for the Airport Master Plan. A grant for the Master
Plan will be available June 2020. It is a 1-year process that should be should complete by December
2021. The $10 mil grant should be available by spring of 2020 for construction. A planning grant
is in the pipeline and should be available and awarded in the spring 2020.
Mr. Bissell stated that the triangle development has been a deterrent for development for some
time. The Master plan will show land acquisition for growth and development.
Council Member Nielsen asked about the FAA’s opinion on TTF developments. Mr. Bissell
responded stating that the FAA has softened on some TTF development; however, residential is
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still forbidden. He stated that the FAA may consider a development of hangars on private property
with a TTF Agreement. He does not feel large scale TTF operations is advisable and can be very
difficult to negotiate with. Mayor Aymon asked if land acquisition was needed for growth. Mr.
Bissell confirmed stating that as McCall grows there will be a need for more hangars and more
needs for FBO type of development. The Forest Service is looking at staging more aircraft that
will need more land to the west.
Council Member Sowers asked what the feeling from the property owners is, are some willing to
sell and how does the city partner with these property owners that does not preclude the city airport
getting the revenue needed to maintain the airport.
Council Member Nielsen wanted to know how we have these items move forward together at the
same time.Mr.Bissell responded stated that they cannot do a business plan but can do an economic
feasibility study. The FAA encourages lease rates should be equitable, with a lot of demand for
hangars, make sure they are charging fair market value.
Mr. Bissell stated that the previous Airport Manager had talked with the FAA about the
development for Dew and had been approved to move forward. Any other development on the
apron would be a concern. He feels it is a good location for Dew.
ADJOURNMENT
Without further business,Mayor Aymon adjourned the meeting at 11:01 p.m.
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