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COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION
MINUTES
NOVEMBER 20, 1991
INITIATION:
1. CALL TO ORDER:
Pursuant to the agenda posted on November 15, 1991, Chairman
Adams called the meeting of the Community Services Commission to
order at 7:30 p.m. on Wednesday, November 20, 1991.
2. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Led by Chairman Adams
3. ROLL CALL:
PRESENT
ALSO PRESENT:
4. CONSENT CALENDAR:
Commissioners Broge, Caswell, Crump,
Sternquist and Adams
Community Services Director Kobett
Recreation Supervisor Burroughs
Mayor Wilson and
Councilmember Breazeal
On motion by Commissioner Caswell and seconded by Commissioner
Crump, the Consent Calendar was unanimously approved as pre-
sented.
A. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - Regular Meeting of October 16, 1991.
Commission approved the Minutes of the regular meeting of
October 16, 1991.
B. REQUEST RECEIVED FROM T.O.P.S. FOR RESERVED USE OF THE
MEETING ROOM AND KITCHEN AT LIVE OAK PARK ON TUESDAYS FROM
7:00 TO 9:00 P.M. JANUARY THROUGH DECEMBER 1992.
Commission approved the request and collection of money on
the park subject to the required Certificate of Insurance
and requested staff to determine use fee.
C. REQUEST RECEIVED FROM CUB SCOUT PACK 169 FOR RESERVED USE OF
THE PICNIC SHELTERS AND BRAZIERS AT LIVE OAK PARK ON JUNE
12, 1992 FROM 3 TO 7 P.M.
Commission approved subject to the required Certificate of
Insurance.
D. REQUEST RECEIVED FROM CUB SCOUT PACK 169 FOR RESERVED USE OF
THE KITCHEN AND AUDITORIUM AT LIVE OAK PARK ON SATURDAY,
MARCH 21, 1992, FROM 9 A.M. TO 5 P.M. FOR THEIR PINEWOOD
DERBY.
Commission approved subject to the required Certificate of
Insurance.
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5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
A. REQUEST RECEIVED FROM "CITIZENS FOR A LIGHTED BASKETBALL
COURT AT LIVE OAK PARK" FOR THE CONCRETE BASKETBALL COURT TO
BE SURFACED WITH A NON -SKID MATERIAL.
Chairman Adams stated the Community Services Commission at
their meeting of October 16, 1991, received a petition
circulated by Citizens for a Lighted Basketball Court at
Live Oak Park containing 106 signatures. The petition stated
that the surface of the concrete basketball court at Live
Oak Park was slippery and the petitioners requested that
court surface be coated with a material similar to that
used on the tennis courts in the Park. The Commission heard
presentations by two representatives and then moved to
continue the item to their November 20, 1991, meeting with
staff to present a report in this regard. The report is as
follows:
The concrete basketball court constructed at Live Oak Park
was accepted by the City on June 19, 1990. The court met
all existing building and safety codes. The plans and
specifications called for a broom finish on the court sur-
face. Recreation Systems, Inc., who designed the court,
inspected the court surface and found that the surface was
as called for in the plans and specifications.
The Department received complaints earlier this year that
areas of the court surface were slippery. Although the
Department found no unusual conditions existing the immedi-
ate area around both goals were sandblasted and /or etched
with acid or both. This action seemed to meet the concerns
of the players for a period of time but as time passed the
complaints surfaced again.
It is to be noted that the reported slippery conditions of
the court surface may be caused by dirt or sand on the
court, or water, sweat or other liquids, or players wearing
improper shoes and /or shoes with slick soles. By the very
nature of the sport such athletic competition will cause
slips and falls. Past player testimony identified that the
participants play very aggressively. As a matter of infor-
mation a player has questioned coating the surface feeling
that the surfacing will contribute to sprained ankles, etc.
At the request of staff the Los Angeles County Road Depart-
ment Superintendent inspected the basketball court and
indicated that there were no unusual or unique conditions
regarding the concrete surface area. The Superintendent,
who has considerable experience and knowledge of concrete
construction, also indicted that the basketball court sur-
face is consistent with industry standards common to natural
concrete surfaces and public play areas. The City's claims
administrator for public liability insurance also inspected
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 3
t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t a n d i t i s h i s o p i n i o n t h a t r e s u r f a c i n g
o r p a i n t i n g t h e s u r f a c e a r e a w i l l n o t r e d u c e o r e l i m i n a t e
t h e t y p e s o f i n j u r i e s t h a t a r e b e i n g r e p o r t e d t o t h e C i t y .
S t a f f c o n c u r s w i t h t h e s e f i n d i n g s a n d d o e s n o t r e c o m m e n d
p a i n t i n g t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t s u r f a c e a s a m e a n s t o m i t i g a t e
i n j u r i e s .
T h e f o l l o w i n g o p t i o n s p e r t a i n i n g t o t h i s c o n c e r n a r e p r e -
s e n t e d f o r y o u r c o n s i d e r a t i o n :
O P T I O N S
1 . L e a v e t h e s u r f a c e o f t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t n a t u r a l a s i t
p r e s e n t l y e x i s t s w i t h n o f u r t h e r s a n d b l a s t i n g o r a c i d
e t c h i n g .
2 . S a n d b l a s t a n d o r a c i d e t c h t h e s u r f a c e o f t h e c o n c r e t e
b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t i n t h e i m m e d i a t e a r e a o f t h e g o a l s
e v e r y t h r e e t o s i x m o n t h s .
3 . A p p l y a c o a t i n g o f m a t e r i a l t o t h e s u r f a c e o f t h e
i n - b o u n d a r e a o f t h e c o u r t s i m i l a r t o t h e c o a t i n g o n t h e
t e n n i s c o u r t s l o c a t e d i n t h e p a r k .
T h e e s t i m a t e d c o s t t o s u r f a c e t h e c o n c r e t e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t
i s $ 2 , 0 0 0 - $ 2 , 5 0 0 . F u n d s i n t h e a m o u n t o f $ 6 , 2 1 8 . 4 5 a r e
c u r r e n t l y i n t h e B a s k e t b a l l C o u r t i m p r o v e m e n t A c c o u n t a n d
c a n b e u s e d f o r t h i s p u r p o s e w i t h C i t y C o u n c i l a p p r o v a l . I f
i t i s t h e d e c i s i o n o f t h e C o m m i s s i o n t o s u r f a c e t h e c o u r t
t h e C o m m i s s i o n i s a d v i s e d t h a t a l l o r s e c t i o n s o f t h e c o u r t
m a y h a v e t o b e r e s u r f a c e d w i t h i n e i g h t e e n m o n t h s t o t h r e e
y e a r s a s t h e m a t e r i a l w e a r s o f f . A l s o , a s a m a t t e r o f i n f o r -
m a t i o n w a t e r f r o m t h e i r r i g a t i o n s y s t e m c a n n o t b e k e p t o f f
o f t h e c o u r t . T h e s p r i n k l e r h e a d s h a v e b e e n a d j u s t e d t o
p e r m i t t h e l e a s t p o s s i b l e a m o u n t o f w a t e r f r o m g e t t i n g o n
t h e c o u r t b u t t h e r e i s n o c o n t r o l o v e r t h a t c a u s e d b y w i n d
d r i f t . W a t e r o n t h e c o u r t w a s o n e r e a s o n w h y a n a t u r a l
c o n c r e t e s u r f a c e w a s s e l e c t e d .
I f t h e C o m m i s s i o n s e l e c t s O p t i o n 2 i t m u s t b e u n d e r s t o o d
t h a t e t c h i n g t h e s u r f a c e , o v e r t i m e , w i l l d a m a g e i t a s e a c h
t r e a t m e n t r e m o v e s s o m e c o n c r e t e .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s i n d i c a t e d t h a t C o m m i s s i o n h a s o n e o f t h r e e
c h o i c e s : 1 . L e a v e i t a s i s ; 2 . C l o s e i t d o w n a n d S a n d -
b l a s t i t a g a i n ; o r 3 . A s m o n e y i s a v a i l a b l e t o c o a t t h e
s u r f a c e a n d s e e i f i t s t o p s t h e s l i p p i n g . H e a l s o s t a t e d
M r . W i l e y p r e s e n t e d l e t t e r s t o C o m m i s s i o n l a s t m o n t h f r o m
o t h e r c i t i e s t h a t h a v e e x p e r i e n c e d s i m i l a r c o n d i t i o n s a n d
t h e r e m e d y w a s t o c o a t t h e c e m e n t s u r f a c e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S t e r n q u i s t , a f t e r m u c h c o n s i d e r a t i o n , s t a t e d
s o m e t h i n g s h o u l d b e d o n e t o t h e s u r f a c e . S h e i s c o n c e r n e d
t h a t i f t h e c o a t i n g i s a p p l i e d o n e t i m e t h e r e w o u l d b e o n
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going maintenance of the surface. She reviewed the players
testimony and is concerned about the injuries that have
taken place on the courts. The staff report has strong
value also. She quoted from the staff report that past
player testimony identified that the participants play very
aggressively and yet that statement is in conflict with the
last Commission meeting testimony from Mr. Wileys packet.
Commissioner Sternquist confirmed with Mr. Wiley that the
players held back their play. Commissioner Sternquist rec-
ommended option number three to apply a coating of material
to the surface of the in -bound area of the court similar to
the coating on the tennis courts located in the park.
Director Kobett answered Commissioner Sternquist question as
to where the inbound area is located on the court. He
stated that the inbound area was the whole court surface and
the whole court area would be painted. She asked if the key
area could be considered for surfacing. Director Kobett
stated initially the full court would be surfaced, which
includes the key, then after a period of time if the court
is wearing and is becoming slippery then only those areas
would be resurfaced.
Commissioner Crump's personal opinion was that the courts
are all right and nothing is wrong. He went on stating that
basketball is a contact sport. He felt the architect called
for a broom finish, the inspectors inspected it as a broom
finish, the architect accepted it as a broom finish, and
the City accepted it as a broom finish. Staff had an expert
in concrete say it has a good finish for a basketball court.
A coating is not his recommendation.
Commissioner Caswell was not in favor of coating because
once the City has the surface coated it would need mainte-
nance. The surface will not be limited to basketball play-
ers there also will be people skating on the concrete too.
He stated he was against acid etching as the acid ruins the
cement. The sandblasting performed has been by maintenance
staff. He felt the City does not have adequate sandblasting
equipment. He is in favor of having a professional sand-
blaster give it a heavy grip blast and rough the surface. He
is against coating as the City does not need the additional
cost to keep it up.
Commissioner Broge felt the players are her peers and have
children her children age. The level of play is intense.
With the combination of players that are in their 30's and
early 40's injuries are expected as part of the game with
players that are not in their teens or early 20's. She felt
the injury factor will be there irregardless of what surface
is on the courts. Also, consideration should be given to
the best advise of the insurance company that a sticky
surface might promote more ankle injuries due to the fast
stops. Also the sprinklers overspray from the water does hit
the court, and water is not good on any type of coating on
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 5
t h e c o u r t . F r e q u e n t r e c o a t i n g w o u l d n e e d t o b e d o n e b y t h e
C i t y d u e t o w a t e r d a m a g e . S h e r e c o m m e n d e d o p t i o n n u m b e r o n e
t o l e a v e t h e s u r f a c e o f t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t n a t u r a l a s i t
p r e s e n t l y e x i s t s w i t h n o f u r t h e r s a n d b l a s t i n g o r a c i d e t c h -
i n g .
C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l m a d e a m o t i o n t o l e a v e t h e s u r f a c e o f
t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t n a t u r a l a s i t p r e s e n t l y e x i s t s w i t h n o
f u r t h e r s a n d b l a s t i n g o r a c i d e t c h i n g . T h e m o t i o n w a s
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e .
D o u g W i l e y , 6 3 0 3 N . G o l d e n W e s t , s t a t e d t h a t h e a p p r e c i a t e d
t h e C o m m i s s i o n s t i m e a n d j u d g e m e n t a n d t h e y d i d t h e b e s t
t h e y c o u l d a t t h i s p o i n t w i t h w h a t i n f o r m a t i o n t h e y h a v e . H e
s a i d t h a t h i s o r g a n i z a t i o n g a v e t h e i r b e s t e f f o r t t o g i v e
t h e m t h e e v i d e n c e t h a t t h e y h a d . S o f r o m t h a t s t a n d p o i n t h e
s a i d t h e y h a d n o o t h e r a l t e r n a t i v e o t h e r t h a n t o a p p e a l t o
C i t y C o u n c i l o n t h i s m a t t e r . O b v i o u s l y , h e c o n t i n u e d , w e
a r e b u r d e n e d a n d a r e g o i n g t o C i t y C o u n c i l . H e t h a n k e d
C o m m i s s i o n f o r t h e i r t i m e .
D r . J o h n G o t t u s o , 3 7 0 W . L a s F l o r e s , A r c a d i a , h e s t a t e d h e
w o u l d l i k e t o c o r r e c t s o m e s t a t e m e n t s m a d e . T h e p l a y e r s
p l a y f u l l c o u r t n o t h a l f c o u r t . I t i s n o t a n i s s u e o f a g i n g
a n d t h e s l i p p i n g i s n o t d u e t o a g g r e s s i v e p l a y . I f y o u s t a r t
t o m a k e a m o v e a n d s l i p o n t h e s l i p p e r y c o n c r e t e i t h a s
n o t h i n g t o d o w i t h c o n t a c t o f a n o t h e r p l a y e r . M o s t o f t h e
t i m e w h e n a k n e e i s t u r n e d i t i s n o t d u e t o t h e c o n t a c t .
A l s o , t h e g a m e i s n o t t h a t a g g r e s s i v e a s h i s d a u g h t e r p l a y s
w i t h t h e o l d e r p l a y e r s a n d t h e y a r e n o t o u t t h e r e k i l l i n g
e a c h o t h e r . H e f e l t i n j u r i e s w e r e e q u a l a m o n g t h e y o u n g e r
a n d o l d e r p l a y e r s . H e i s n o t i n f o r m e d a b o u t w a t e r . B u t t h e
t e n n i s c o u r t s a r e r a i n e d o n a n d t h e t e n n i s c o u r t s a r e n o t
w o r n o u t . A l s o , i f j u s t t h e k e y a r e a w a s c o a t e d , o n c e t h e
p l a y e r s t e p s o f f t h e c o a t i n g t h e y ' l l s l i p t o t h e m i d d l e o f
t h e c o u r t . H e w o n d e r e d i f i t w a s a n i s s u e o f t h e g a m e o r t h e
s l i p p e r y c o n c r e t e . H e w o n d e r e d i f i t w e r e t h e C o m m i s s i o n s
o w n s i d e w a l k a n d i f i t w e r e s l i p p e r y a n d p e o p l e w e r e w a l k i n g
a l o n g a n d j u s t s l i p p e d w h e r e w o u l d p e r s o n a l l i a b i l i t y t a k e
p l a c e . T h e c o u r t h a s a v e r y s l i p p e r y s u r f a c e . N o t b e c a u s e
t h e y p l a y b a s k e t b a l l . I f i t w e r e h i s s i d e w a l k i t w o u l d b e
c h a n g e d . S a n d b l a s t i n g t h e a r e a s t h a t a r e s l i p p e r y b e c a u s e
o f u s e h a s n o t h i n g d o w i t h b e i n g s a t i s f i e d . H e s a i d t h e y
w e r e n o t t h e r e j u s t t o c o m p l a i n b u t t o e x p r e s s a c o n c e r n . H e
t r i e d t o m i t i g a t e t h e i s s u e w i t h M r . K o b e t t a n d M r . P l a n t e
o n t h e p h o n e a n d t h e y d i d t a k e c a r e o f c e r t a i n t h i n g s a n d h e
d i d n o t c o m e f o r w a r d j u s t t o c o m p l a i n . H e f e l t t h e r e w a s
m o n e y i n t h e B a s k e t b a l l F u n d a n d t h e r e i s a n i s s u e .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s t a t e d h e w e n t t o t h e b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t s a f t e r
t h e y w e r e f i n i s h e d a n d h e i s c e r t a i n t h a t b y c o n t i n u o u s p l a y
i t b e c o m e s n e c e s s a r y t o s a n d b l a s t a l t h o u g h h e f e l t t h e
c o u r t s w e r e b e t t e r t h a n o t h e r c o u r t s h e h a s s e e n . H e i n d i -
c a t e d t h e d i r t o n t h e c o u r t s c o n t r i b u t e t o s l i p p i n g . D i r e c -
t o r K o b e t t s t a t e d f o r t h e C o m m i s s i o n e r s i n f o r m a t i o n w a t e r
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drifts from the sprinklers and washes sand, dirt and grass
on the courts. Water on cement also causes slipping.
Dr. Gottuso went on stating he works with Workman Compensa-
tion claims and is not here to debate the issues of liabil-
ity. And he feels there is a public nuisance situation and
there is exposure to a claim. He felt somebody is not being
concerned. Whether you care about the issue he is voicing
that it really is there. He stated he has paid a lot of
claims for things that weren't there. He is not complaining
until you can't satisfy him, it is a very real issue.
Chairman Adams stated he has been down to the courts many
times and he would like to see the courts surfaced. He
stated there is enough money in the Basketball Court Account
to pay for the coating. He indicated that the letters Mr.
Wiley received from different cities stated that they have
surfaced their courts and are happy with the results. He
feels it is worth the $2,000 -3,000 for the initial coating.
If it doesn't do the job then eliminate the courts later on.
He feels it is worth the three year investment to give it a
try.
Commissioner Caswell stated that he felt the same spot would
be hit all the time and it would become slippery from move-
ment. Every time they hit the spot coated or not coated it
still will be slippery even with a coating on it. Unlike
tennis where you are moving all over the court. The same
spot is hit in playing basketball. He feels it is a dirt
problem.
Commissioner Sternquist asked if the courts were periodi-
cally sandblasted. Director Kobett stated they have been
sandblasted twice.
With the discussion concluded, Chairman Adams called for a
vote on the motion. The motion was carried on a roll call
vote as follows:
ROLL CALL:
AYES: Commissioners Broge, Caswell and Crump
NOES: Commissioners Adams and Sternquist
ABSENT: No one.
Commissioner Caswell suggested that staff call Pacific Sand-
blast as a matter of maintenance for safety. He was satis-
fied the insurance company stated the court is consistent
with industry standards common to natural concrete surfaces
and public play areas. He said he would have to listen to
staff and the insurance company. He feels the City's sand-
blasting is not adequate also does not believe in acid etch-
ing as it ruins the cement. Pacific Sandblast has big
portable units and it won't cost much to have them take a
look and use a coarser sand. The City can only spray the
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 7
f i n e r s a n d a n d t h e c o a r s e r s a n d w i l l d o t h e s a m e t h i n g t h e
c o a t i n g w i l l d o .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s t a t e d t h a t s o m e t h i n g s h o u l d b e d o n e b e c a u s e
h e d o e s n o t f e e l t h a t t h e c o u r t i s r i g h t a t t h e p r e s e n t
t i m e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S t e r n q u i s t w o u l d l i k e s o m e t h i n g d o n e . S i n c e
o p t i o n n u m b e r o n e w a s d e c i d e d , t h e r e i s a n e e d t o c o n t i n u e
t o d o s a n d b l a s t i n g o r l o o k i n t o s o m e o n e e l s e d o i n g t h e
s a n d b l a s t i n g l i k e C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l s u g g e s t e d .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s u g g e s t e d s t a f f c h e c k i n t o p r o f e s s i o n a l
s a n d b l a s t i n g . A p r i c e e s t i m a t e s h o u l d b e l e s s t h a n $ 3 , 0 0 0 .
S t a f f c o u l d p r e s e n t a r e p o r t a t t h e n e x t C o m m i s s i o n m e e t i n g
w i t h a n e s t i m a t e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l m a d e a m o t i o n f o r s t a f f t o c o n t a c t
P a c i f i c S a n d b l a s t i n g t o l o o k a t t h e c e m e n t c o u r t , e v a l u a t e
s a n d b l a s t i n g w i t h h e a v y d u t y e q u i p m e n t a n d c o a r s e r s a n d a n d
p r e s e n t a n e s t i m a t e a t t h e D e c e m b e r 1 8 , 1 9 9 1 m e e t i n g . A l s o
a s c h e d u l e t o k e e p u p m a i n t e n a n c e . T h e m o t i o n w a s s e c o n d e d
b y C o m m i s s i o n e r C r u m p . T h e m o t i o n w a s u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S t e r n q u i s t i n q u i r e d w h e r e t h e f u n d s w i l l g o
f r o m t h e B a s k e t b a l l C o u r t I m p r o v e m e n t A c c o u n t . D i r e c t o r
K o b e t t s t a t e d t h e C i t y A t t o r n e y i n d i c a t e d t h a t t h e f u n d s c a n
b e u s e d f o r a n y p u r p o s e o n t h e c o u r t a n d / o r a n y p u r p o s e t h a t
h a s a n y d i r e c t r e l a t i o n s h i p t o t h e c o u r t s . F u n d s h a v e b e e n
u s e d f o r r e p a i r o f t h e c o i n m e t e r s .
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t h a t i t i s u n s a f e t h e y s t a t e d t h e y s h o u l d r e p o r t t o t h e
C o m m i s s i o n a n d t h e y w i l l c l o s e . H e f e e l s t h a t i f i t i s t h a t
b a d t h e y s h o u l d n o t b e p l a y i n g o n i t .
D o u g W i l e y s t a t e d t h a t t h e 2 5 - 3 0 i n j u r i e s a r e o n l y t h e t i p
o f t h e i c e b e r g .
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s o m e t h i n g i s d o n e .
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s e e a n y o n e h u r t .
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b a s k e t b a l l c o u r t u n t i l C i t y C o u n c i l a c t s o n t h e a p p e a l o f
t h e C o m m i s s i o n e r s ' d e c i s i o n w h i c h t h e b a s k e t b a l l o r g a n i z a -
t i o n s t a t e d t h e y i n t e n d t o p u r s u e . S e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r
C a s w e l l . T h e m o t i o n w a s u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
M r . W i l e y s a i d h e i s n o t i n g o o d r e s p e c t w i t h t h e p l a y e r s
n o w b y t a k i n g t h i s p o s i t i o n . H e s t a t e d t h i s w a s h i s p e r -
s o n a l j u d g e m e n t a n d h e i s u n d e r h e a t t h a t t h e c o u r t i s
c l o s e d d o w n . H e f e e l s i t w a s t h e r i g h t t h i n g t o d o .
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 8
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s a i d t h e C o m m i s s i o n i s n o t k i d d i n g a b o u t t h i s
m a t t e r , i t i s v e r y s e r i o u s c o n c e r n .
D r . G o t t u s o s t a t e d h e w a s v e r y a p p r e c i a t i v e o f t h e w a y t h e
m e e t i n g w a s c o n d u c t e d . H e s t a t e d s o m e C o m m i s s i o n e r s h a v e
b e e n t h e r e a n d k n o w w h a t t h e y a r e s p e a k i n g a b o u t . T h e r e a r e
t h o s e t h a t h a v e b e e n t h e r e a n d d o n o t k n o w w h a t a t h l e t i c s
a r e a b o u t . T h e r e i s a n i s s u e h e r e . T h e a c t i o n t a k e n i s n o t
t o p e n a l i z e t h e p l a y e r s b e c a u s e t h e m o n e y i s t h e r e a n d i t
c o u l d b e u s e d .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s t h a n k e d e v e r y o n e f o r s p e a k i n g o n t h e s u b j e c t .
6 . N E W B U S I N E S S :
A . R E Q U E S T R E C E I V E D F R O M R A N D Y T Y R E L L S U G G E S T I N G T H E C O N S T R U C -
T I O N O F A G A Z E B O I N T E M P L E C I T Y P A R K .
D i r e c t o r K o b e t t i n d i c a t e d t h i s r e q u e s t w a s p r e s e n t e d t o t h e
C o m m i s s i o n a t t h e i r m e e t i n g o f O c t o b e r 1 6 , 1 9 9 1 . T h e C o m -
m i s s i o n t o o k n o a c t i o n a s t h e i t e m w a s n o t o n t h e a g e n d a .
T h e C o m m i s s i o n r e q u e s t e d t h a t t h e m a t t e r b e p l a c e d o n t h e
a g e n d a f o r t h e i r m e e t i n g o f N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 . T h e s p e a k e r ,
R a n d y T y r e l l , s u g g e s t e d t h e c o n s t r u c t i o n o f a g a z e b o i n t h e
c e n t e r o f T e m p l e C i t y P a r k . M r . T y r e l l h a s s u b m i t t e d w r i t t e n
i n f o r m a t i o n r e g a r d i n g h i s r e q u e s t .
S t a f f s u g g e s t s t h e c r e a t i o n o f a c o m m i t t e e c o m p o s e d o f
m e m b e r s o f t h e C o m m i s s i o n , M r . T y r e l l , a b a n d d i r e c t o r t o b e
n a m e d a n d s t a f f t o s t u d y t h e s u g g e s t i o n a n d t o r e p o r t b a c k
t o t h e C o m m i s s i o n a t t h e i r m e e t i n g o n J a n u a r y 1 5 , 1 9 9 2 .
R a n d y T y r e l l , 5 7 0 9 A l e s s a n d r o A v e . p r o p o s e d t h a t t h e C i t y
p e r m i t a n d s u p p o r t a n e f f o r t b y t h e c o m m u n i t y t o e r e c t a
g a z e b o / b a n d s t a n d i n t h e T e m p l e . C i t y P a r k .
H e s t a t e d t h a t t h e m a t e r i a l s h a n d e d o u t d e s c r i b e d a p r o -
p o s e d s i t e , s t y l e a n d s i z e o f g a z e b o . A l s o a p r i c e s h e e t
f o r t h e v a r i o u s s t y l e s o f g a z e b o s .
H e s t a t e d t h a t h e r e s e a r c h e d t h e b e s t s i t e a n d i t w a s d e t e r -
m i n e d t o b e i n f r o n t o f t h e l i b r a r y a s i n d i c a t e d o n a c i t y
p a r k m a p h e s u b m i t t e d .
M r . T y r e l l s t a t e d t h a t t h e c o s t e s t i m a t e o f s a i d g a z e b o i n
p l a c e a n d c o m p l e t e d , i s b e t w e e n $ 4 5 , 0 0 0 - $ 5 0 , 0 0 0 . T h i s
i n c l u d e s p u r c h a s e p r i c e , s h i p p i n g , t a x e s , c o n c r e t e w o r k a n d
o t h e r v a r i o u s i t e m s . T h e a s s e m b l y a n d f i n a l p a i n t i n g , i f
n e e d e d , c o u l d b e d o n e b y a f e w v o l u n t e e r s .
H e b e l i e v e s t h e r e i s e n o u g h s u p p o r t f o r t h i s p r o j e c t i n t h e
c o m m u n i t y a n d t h a t a l l c o s t s c a n b e r a i s e d b y f u n d r a i s i n g
e f f o r t s .
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 9
H e r e q u e s t e d s u p p o r t f o r t h i s p r o j e c t b y t h e c i t y i n t h e
f o r m o f h e l p i n a c c o u n t i n g a n d f i n a n c i a l s e r v i c e s , p r o m o -
t i o n , a n d p o s s i b l y a t i e - i n w i t h t h e p r o p o s e d l i g h t i n g p l a n
o f t h e p a r k .
T h i s p r o j e c t w o u l d b e a g r e a t b e n e f i t t o t h e c i t y a n d w o u l d
e n j o y a w i d e v a r i e t y o f u s e s b y t h e c o m m u n i t y . T h i s a l s o
c o u l d b e a s o u r c e o f i n c o m e t o t h e c i t y b y t h e r e n t i n g o f
t h e g a z e b o t o i n t e r e s t e d g r o u p s .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e i n q u i r e d w h a t d e p a r t m e n t w o u l d h a v e
j u r i s d i c t i o n o n t h e g a z e b o . D i r e c t o r K o b e t t s t a t e d s i n c e
t h e s t r u c t u r e w o u l d b e l o c a t e d i n t h e p a r k t h e C i t y w o u l d
o w n t h e g a z e b o a n d i t w o u l d b e u n d e r t h e j u r i s d i c t i o n o f t h e
c i t y .
C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l m a d e a m o t i o n t o r e c o m m e n d t o C i t y
C o u n c i l t o s u p p o r t t h e c o n c e p t o f a G a z e b o i n T e m p l e C i t y
P a r k . S e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r -
r i e d .
C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l r e q u e s t e d R a n d y t o k e e p C o m m i s s i o n
i n f o r m e d o n t h e p r o j e c t
C h a i r m a n A d a m s i n d i c a t e d t h e v i d e o o n t h e c o n s t r u c t i o n o f
t h e g a z e b o h e p r o v i d e d c o u l d b e s h o w n t o t h e C i t y C o u n c i l .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e r e q u e s t M r . T y r e l l w h e n h e r e t u r n s t o
C o m m i s s i o n t o b r i n g a n o u t l i n e o n h o w t h e m o n e y w i l l b e
r a i s e d a n d f r o m w h o m i t w i l l b e r a i s e d a n d t i m e l i n e s o f t h e
p r o j e c t .
B . D I S C U S S T H E C O N C E R N R E C E I V E D F R O M M S . R U D A R P E R T A I N I N G T O A
N E W R U L E R E C E N T L Y A D O P T E D B Y T H E A Y S O B O A R D O F D I R E C T O R S .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e s t a t e d s h e i s a p a r t y t o t h i s i t e m a n d s o
a s t o n o t i n f l u e n c e o r i n h i b i t t h e d i s c u s s i o n t h a t i s r e l e -
v a n t t o t h e i s s u e a t h a n d s h e a s k e d t o b e e x c u s e d d u r i n g a n y
d i s c u s s i o n .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s e x c u s e d C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e a n d s h e l e f t t h e
c h a m b e r s .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s t a t e d t h i s i t e m w a s b r o u g h t b e f o r e t h e
C o m m i s s i o n a t t h e i r m e e t i n g o f O c t o b e r 1 6 , 1 9 9 1 . T h e c o n -
c e r n p r e s e n t e d w a s i n r e g a r d t o a r u l e p a s s e d b y t h e A Y S O
B o a r d o f D i r e c t o r s t h a t r e q u i r e d t h e s a l e o f f u n d r a i s i n g
i t e m s i n o r d e r f o r t h e p l a y e r t o b e e l i g i b l e f o r c o n s i d e r a -
t i o n f o r A l l S t a r s . A c o p y o f t h e l e t t e r s u b m i t t e d b y M s .
R u d a r a n d a c o p y o f a l e t t e r f r o m t h e A Y S O b o a r d i s e n -
c l o s e d . T h e C o m m i s s i o n t o o k n o a c t i o n a s t h i s i t e m w a s n o t
o n t h e m e e t i n g a g e n d a .
C o m m i s s i o n e r C r u m p m a d e a m o t i o n n o t t o c o n s i d e r t h i s i t e m ,
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r C a s w e l l , a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 1 0
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s t a t e d T e m p l e C i t y A Y S O i s n o t a C i t y S p o n -
s o r e d o r g a n i z a t i o n a n d t h e m a t e r s h o u l d b e p u r s u e d b y M s .
R u d a r t h r o u g h t h e T e m p l e C i t y A Y S O B o a r d o f D i r e c t o r s a n d / o r
t h e A Y S O n a t i o n a l h e a d q u a r t e r s t o r e s o l v e t h e i s s u e . H e
i n f o r m e d M s . R u d a r t h a t t h e b o a r d m e e t s e v e r y s e c o n d M o n d a y
o f t h e m o n t h .
C e c i l a R u d a r , 9 7 1 6 O l i v e D r . , s t a t e d t h a t t h e N a t i o n a l
O r g a n i z a t i o n o f S o c c e r r e f e r r e d h e r t o t h e c i t y .
L a r r y T a t o n e , 5 9 3 6 N . E n c i n i t a , s t a t e d b o a r d m e m b e r s f o r
R e g i o n 9 8 a r e n o t e l e c t e d b y m e m b e r s , t h e y v o l u n t e e r .
R a l p h K e y e s , 4 8 0 8 A l e s s a n d r o , A s s i s t a n t C o m m i s s i o n e r R e g i o n
9 8 , s t a t e d t h e d e c i s i o n t h e b o a r d m a d e l a s t y e a r w a s h a r d t o
m a k e a s t h e y d i d n o t w a n t t o i n c r e a s e r e g i s t r a t i o n f e e s
b e c a u s e i t m i g h t e l i m i n a t e s o m e o n e f r o m p l a y i n g .
T o n y Z o c c o n i , 5 1 9 L o s A l t o s , A r c a d i a , h e f e l t t h e b o a r d s
d e c i s i o n w a s n o t b a s e d o n t h e a b i l i t y o f t h e c h i l d .
D a v i d S m i t h , 9 1 0 2 E . L e R o y , S a n G a b r i e l , s o l i c i t s s p o n s o r s
f o r t h e t e a m s , s t a t e d t h a t t h e e c o n o m y i s d o w n a n d h e h a d t o
g o o u t s i d e t h e c i t y t o f i n d s p o n s o r s l a s t s e a s o n . H e i n d i -
c a t e d i t i s d i f f i c u l t t o r a i s e e n t r y f e e s . H e w o u l d l i k e t o
s e e m o r e p a r e n t s v o l u n t e e r .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s r e q u e s t e d t h a t t h e o r g a n i z a t i o n w o r k o u t t h e
p r o b l e m a t A . Y . S . O . ' s n e x t b o a r d m e e t i n g .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B r o g e r e t u r n e d t o t h e C o u n c i l C h a m b e r s a t 8 : 1 5
p . m .
C . R E Q U E S T F R O M C I T Y C O U N C I L F O R C O M M I S S I O N R E V I E W A L E T T E R
R E C E I V E D F R O M S O N J A H A V E R C I T I N G N O I S E A N D M I S U S E O F L I V E
O A K P A R K I N T H E I M M E D I A T E A R E A O F T H E P I C N I C S H E L T E R S .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s r e q u e s t e d t h e C o m m i s s i o n t o d i s c u s s t h e
m a t t e r f r o m t h e l e t t e r s o f c o n c e r n f r o m S o n j a H a v e r a n d
J i m m i e M a c d o n a l d r e g a r d i n g n o i s e a n d m i s u s e o f L i v e O a k
P a r k .
T h i s m a t t e r c a m e b e f o r e t h e C i t y C o u n c i l a t t h e i r m e e t i n g o f
N o v e m b e r 5 , 1 9 9 1 . S o n j a H a v e r s e n t a l e t t e r e x p r e s s i n g h e r
c o n c e r n a b o u t n o i s e a n d m i s u s e o f L i v e o a k P a r k i n t h e
i m m e d i a t e a r e a o f t h e p i c n i c S h e l t e r s . T h e C i t y C o u n c i l
r e f e r r e d t h e m a t t e r t o t h e C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n .
M s . H a v e r s l e t t e r d e s c r i b e s i n d e t a i l t h e n a t u r e o f h e r
c o n c e r n a n d a c o p y w a s d i s t r i b u t e d t o t h e C o m m i s s i o n e r s .
A l s o a l e t t e r f r o m J i m m i e M a c d o n a l d o f 5 5 2 6 N R y l a n d A v e n u e ,
a n e i g h b o r o f M s . H a v e r , w h o a l s o e x p r e s s e d s i m i l a r c o n c e r n s
a b o u t n o i s e a n d m i s u s e o f t h e p a r k .
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Director Kobett indicated since receipt of the letters the
Sheriff's Department has increased their patrol of the park
at night time and on weekends. Also, power to the electri-
cal outlets has been turned off and is only turned on as
requested for cooking purposes. This will help reduce and
may eliminate the concern about amplified music. Park staff
have been informed that the playing of horseshoes is not
permitted in the park as there is not an improved area for
that sport. This action was taken as reportedly horseshoe
playing was being done adjacent to the private yard walls
near the picnic shelters. The noise and loud talking asso-
ciated with the sport is a concern of the neighbors.
Ms. Haver had requested the Picnic Shelters be relocated;
that amplified music be prohibited; and that a set -back from
the property line be established.
Ms. Haver sent a letter to the Commission stating she would
not be in attendance due to an emergency operation.
Chairman Adams questioned where could the shelters be moved
since noise will always be in the park. There is an ordi-
nance against the amplified music and the Sheriff's should
enforce the ordinance. He suggested that a concrete wall
might eliminate some of the noise.
Commissioner Broge stated amplification of music is on going
problem at the park as well as young people in the park late
at night. One solution for the noise if a buffer of cy-
press on the west property line of park. She stated not
everyone is gone from the park at 10 p.m. Noise from the
shelter area and the basketball courts echo into the back
yards of the homes on the perimeter of the park. The Sher-
iff's will not respond to calls and no citations given to
those at the park after the posted hours, is an invitation
for groups to form. A statement could be made to the neigh-
bors by planting cypress, moving the shelter and reducing
the number of tables under the shelter area or possibly
enclosing the west side of the picnic shelters. She would
like to see a cost for planting trees and /or a wall at the
next meeting. If lights were off sooner on the basketball
courts it would deter the players from staying around so
late in the park. Commissioner Broge also stated there is a
need for lights mounted near the concession stand on the
Utility pole 12 feet above ground.
Commissioner Caswell suggested a noise buffer of trees
and /or extend the fence. Possibly a shelter on the east
side of the park.
Commissioner Crump expressed a concern with no citations
being given at the park. He liked the idea of trees for a
buffer although it would take a long time for them to grow
when a block wall would be an instant buffer for the noise.
If a wall was built all gates along the property line should
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C o m m u n i t y S e r v i c e s C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s , N o v e m b e r 2 0 , 1 9 9 1 - P a g e 1 2
b e e l i m i n a t e d . H e s u g g e s t e d t h a t t h e e l e c t r i c b e t u r n e d o f f
a n d i f a g r o u p n e e d e d e l e c t r i c t h e r e c r e a t i o n l e a d e r s h o u l d
t u r n i t o n .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S t e r n q u i s t s u g g e s t e d t r e e s w o u l d b e a b e t t e r
b u f f e r t h a n a w a l l . S h e s u g g e s t e d t h a t t h e r e c r e a t i o n l e a d -
e r s d i s c o u r a g e u s e o f p o r t a b l e s h e l t e r s i n t h e p a r k .
S t a f f w e r e d i r e c t e d t o r e p o r t o n t h e f o l l o w i n g n o i s e m i t i -
g a t i n g m e a s u r e s a t t h e m e e t i n g o n D e c e m b e r 1 8 , 1 9 9 1 :
1 . R e c o m m e n d a t i o n f o r t h e p l a c e o f p l a n t s a l o n g t h e e n t i r e
w e s t b o u n d a r y l i n e o f L i v e O a k P a r k . P l a n t s h e i g h t t o
b e 6 t o 8 f e e t a n d n o t t o e x t e n d m o r e t h a n 1 8 " .
2 . C o s t e s t i m a t e t o c o n s t r u c t a w a l l a l o n g t h e w e s t p r o p -
e r t y l i n e o f L i v e O a k P a r k . R e q u e s t e s t i m a t e s f o r
h e i g h t s o f 6 , 7 a n d 8 f o o t . S e p a r a t e p r i c e f o r c o n c r e t e
b l o c k a n d s u m p s t o n e .
3 . C o s t e s t i m a t e t o d e s i g n t h e p a r t i a l e n c l o s u r e o f b o t h
p i c n i c s h e l t e r s .
7 . C O M M U N I C A T I O N S :
A . C O R R E S P O N D E N C E R E C E I V E D F R O M M O U N T A I N S R E C R E A T I O N A N D C O N -
S E R V A T I O N A U T H O R I T Y S T A T I N G S B 6 5 9 A L L O W S T H E C O U N T Y O F L O S
A N G E L E S T O P L A C E A M E A S U R E O N T H E B A L L O T T H A T W I L L F U N D
A C Q U I S I T I O N , R E S T O R A T I O N A N D I M P R O V E M E N T O F P A R K , B E A C H ,
R E C R E A T I O N A N D O P E N S P A C E L A N D S T H R O U G H O U T T H E C O U N T Y .
D i r e c t o r K o b e t t r e p o r t e d t h a t t h e S a n t a M o n i c a C o n s e r v a n c y
a r e a u t h o r i z e d b y t h e s t a t e a n d w i l l p l a c e a m e a s u r e o n t h e
b a l l o t t h a t w i l l f u n d a c q u i s i t i o n , r e s t o r a t i o n a n d i m p r o v e -
m e n t o f p a r k , b e a c h , r e c r e a t i o n a n d o p e n s p a c e l a n d s
t h r o u g h o u t t h e c o u n t y . T h e m e a s u r e i s p r o p o s e d f o r t h e J u n e
1 9 9 2 b a l l o t . F u n d i n g w i l l c o m e f r o m t h e f o r m a t i o n o f a n
a s s e s s m e n t d i s t r i c t . I f t h e p r o p o s a l i s v o t e d o n f a v o r a b l e
b y t h e v o t e r s i t i s e s t i m a t e d t h a t T e m p l e C i t y m a y r e c e i v e
o v e r $ 4 0 0 , 0 0 0 i n p e r c a p i t a f u n d s . T h e s e f u n d s a r e f o r
a p p r o v e d p a r k i m p r o v e m e n t s . T h e r e w i l l a l s o b e c o m p e t i t i v e
f u n d s a v a i l a b l e i n a d d i t i o n t o t h e p e r c a p i t a f u n d s . T h e
c o m p e t i t i v e f u n d s c o u l d b e u s e d f o r t r e e p l a n t i n g , g a n g
p r e v e n t i o n a n d a l s o f o r s e n i o r c i t i z e n f a c i l i t i e s . F u n d s
w i l l a l s o b e a v a i l a b l e t o m a i n t a i n t h e i m p r o v e m e n t s c o n -
s t r u c t e d w i t h t h e R e c r e a t i o n A c t F u n d s .
B . S U M M A R Y O F T H E O C T O B E R 2 8 T H M A Y O R / M A Y O R P R O - T E M / C H A I R M A N
M E E T I N G .
C h a i r m a n A d a m s s t a t e d d i s c u s s i o n f o r t h i s i t e m w o u l d b e
i n c l u d e d i n t h e d i s c u s s i o n u n d e r i t e m 9 A .
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8. TIME FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WHICH TO SPEAK:
Ralph Keyes, 4808 Alessandro Avenue, Assistant Commissioner for
the Temple City American Youth Soccer Organization - Region 98,
presented the Commission with a $1,000.00 check to help defray
the cost of maintaining the turf and irrigation system at Live
Oak Park.
Tony Zocconi, 519 Los Altos, Arcadia, felt the Commission should
return the check to A.Y.S.O. as those funds were from the candy
sale profits and his child did not sell candy for this purpose.
Ricardo Pedia, 4026 Shirley Avenue, El Monte, Stated that not
all the noise at Live Oak Park is not from the basketball
courts. He inquired why should money from the Basketball fund be
used to build a wall, etc. Chairman Adams stated that the bas-
ketball courts contribute to some of the noise and a portion of
the Basketball funds could be used for a wall, etc. Those that
use the picnic shelters there is no fund therefore the funds for
the wall, etc. would come from the City general fund.
9. MATTERS FROM CITY OFFICIALS:
A. DISCUSSION OF THE NAME OF THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMISSIONS
DUTIES.
Chairman Adams stated that staff have polled other cities in
this regard and a report was distributed to each Commis-
sioner. The duties of the Commission have remained the same
since the change of Commission name from Parks and Recrea-
tion and he felt Parks and Recreation better describe the
services provided. He opened this item for discussion.
Commissioner Sternquist felt the duties better related to
the name Community Services. Community Services serves the
City well and she would like the name to remain.
Commissioner Crump preferred the name Parks and Recreation.
Commissioner Caswell stated that Parks and Recreation is
adequate and we do not provide other services.
Commissioner Broge suggested waiting a year and reevaluate
before changing the name back to Parks and Recreation. All
the department correspondence has been printed with Commu-
nity Services and it would be time consuming the change
everything back to Parks and Recreation.
Chairman Adams preferred Parks and Recreation because more
cities our size use the name Parks and Recreation. He was
sorry the name had been changed because the programs we
provide are in the Parks and Recreation classification.
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Director Kobett stated that when the name changed the de-
partment took on the responsibilities with an emphasis on
more senior programs and the volunteer program.
Commissioner Caswell made a motion to continue using Commu-
nity Services as the Commissions name. Seconded by Commis-
sioner Broge.
Chairman Adams called for a vote on the motion. The motion
was carried on a roll call vote as follows:
ROLL CALL:
AYES: Commissioners Adams, Broge, Caswell, Crump and
Sternquist
NOES: No one.
ABSENT: No one.
B. COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR REPORT.
Director Kobett indicated that a copy of his report was in
the Commissioners' packet.
Commissioner Broge - thanked Director Kobett for his guid-
ance in the last week and for all the background information
to get her started in her new position as Commissioner.
Commissioner Caswell - stated he will be out of town for the
next regular meeting of the Commission.
Commissioner Crump - no comments.
Commissioner Sternquist - Commended staff for a job well
done at the Halloween Carnival. Director Kobett stated
efforts came from Cathy Burroughs, Recreation Leaders, Key
Club, Builders Club, Kiwanis men and women, City Council and
Commissioners.
Chairman Adams - no comments.
10. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, it was moved by Commissioner
Crump and seconded by Commissioner Caswell and unanimously
carried that the meeting be adjourned to the next regular meet-
ing of the Community Services Commission to be held on Wednes-
day, December 18, 1991 at 7:30 p.m. in the Council Chamber, 5938
N. Kauffman Avenue, Temple City. Chairman Adams aj.,journed the
meeting at 10:15 p.m.
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