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City of Temple City
August 9, 1966
1. A Regular Meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of Temple
City was held in the City Hall, 5938 N. Kauffman Avenue, Temple
City. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Garvin at
7:30 P.M.
2.. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
led by Chairman Garvin.
3. ROLL CALL: Present:
Absent:
Also Present:
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag was
Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley,
Garvin
Commissioners: None
Karl Koski, Robert Flandrick, George
Dragicevich
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: A motion was made by Commissioner Briggs,
seconded by Commissioner Oakley that the minutes of the Regular
Adjourned Meeting of July 11, 1966 be approved as mailed. Motion
carried by the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES
ABSENT:
Commissioners:
Commissioners:
Commissioners:
Beckman, Briggs,
None
None
Oakley, Garvin
A motion was made by Commissioner Beckman, seconded by Commiss-
ioner Oakley that the minutes of the Regular Meeting July 12, 1966
be approved as mailed. Motion carried by the following roll call
vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners:
Commissioners:
Commissioners:
Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
None
None
5. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONE VARIANCE CASE NO. 66 -189
Oliver and Carol Storkan
10731 East Freer Street
Temple City, California
Chairman Garvin announced that now was the time and place for the
public hearing. Verification of public notice was given by the
Secretary. Planning Director Dragicevich presented the original
application. The Chairman ordered same marked Exhibit "A" and
made a part of the record. The Planning Director then orally
presented the factual data report and his written report, sub-
stantially as given orally was received in evidence by the Chair-
man, marked Exhibit "B ". The maps placed for public and Planning
Commission view were ordered marked Exhibit "C" and received in
evidence. The Exhibits were then viewed by the Commission.
Planning Director Dragicevich reviewed the factual data stating
that the applicant's request is to expand the existing residentia
building by adding a 323 square foot family room and a porch with
less than the required rearyard setback. If the variance is
granted, it is recommended by the staff that the existing drive-
way approach be removed and replaced with full height curb,
gutter and sidewalk and a new driveway apron be constructed
according to City standards and specifications. The proposed
new addition would have a 6' rearyard setback and the zoning
regulations require 15'. Commissioner Oakley was concerned with
the width of the driveway and felt there should be ample room
for two cars to park side by side sufficient enough so that a
boat, trailer, etc. could be parked there.
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Planning Commission MinuEes
Page Two August 9, 1966
Appearing in favor: Mr. Oliver Storkan, owner- applicant, 10731
East Freer Street, Temple City. Mr. Storkan stated he would also
like to have ample room so that two cars could park side by side
and would be willing to have a 17' wide driveway.
After hearing all those desiring to speak for or against a motion
was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by Commissioner Oakley
to close the public hearing. Motion carried by the following
roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
NOES: Commissioners: None
ABSENT: Commissioners: None
Commissioner Beckman stated that he would be in favor of this
request because it would be improving the property; Commissioner
Briggs also was in favor and was not concerned with the driveway
situation. Commissioner Oakley stated he would also be in favor
with the condition that a 17' driveway be constructed and along
with the staff recommendations.
A motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by Commissioner
Beckman that the City Attorney be instructed to draw a Resolution
granting this request with the conditions that the driveway be
constructed and maintained not less than 17' in width; the exist -,
ing driveway approach be removed and replaced with full height
curb, gutter and sidewalk; a new driveway apron be constructed
according to City standards and specifications. Motion carried
by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
NOES: Commissioners: None
ABSENT: Commissioners: None
Chairman Garvin clarified to the Commission that in the future
all Resolutions will be prepared by the City Attorney and pre-
sented at the next regular meeting for their adoption.
6. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONE VARIANCE CASE NO. 66 -190
Joe Natter for Rettan Corp.
9438 East Gidley Street
Temple City, California
SITE: 9440 thru 9502 E. Gidley- Street
Temple City, California
Chairman Garvin announced that now was the time and place for the
public hearing. Verification of public notice was given by the
Secretary. Planning Director Dragicevich presented the original
application. The Chairman ordered same marked Exhibit "A" and
made a part of the record. The Planning Director then orally
presented the factual data report and his written report, sub-
stantially as given orally was received in evidence by the Chair-
man, marked Exhibit "B ". The maps placed for public and Planning
Commission view were ordered marked Exhibit "C" and received in
evidence. The Exhibits were then viewed by the Commission.
Planning Director Dragicevich reviewed the factual data stating
that the applicant's request is to build a manufacturing plant
with less than the required parking spaces and parking space
size. The subject property is adjacent to the existing property
and facilities owned by the corporation. Currently, the subject
area is occupied by small industrial (electrical, metal and wood -
shop) buildings.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Three August 9, 1966
Exhibit "A" shows proposed buildings, containing 28,810 square
feet and parking lot area with 17,418 square feet and 62 parking
spaces. Proposed dimensions of parking spaces are 8.6' x 20'.
Landscaping amounts to 925 square feet or 5.3 percent of the
parking lot area. Loading area is also proposed northerly of
the warehouse building. The 11,400 square foot new factory will
be used for assembling of vacuum cleaners, the chief product of
the corporation. The proposed buildings will employ 35 persons
in addition to the existing 70 employees. It is the recommenda-
tionof the staff that if this variance is granted, dedication
of a 30 foot strip on Gidley Street, south of the center line,
for the right -of -way purposes along the frontage of all prop-
erties owned by the applicant be made; that improvements be made
along the full frontage with curbs, gutters, sidewalks, driveway
approaches, and street trees in accordance with the plans sub -
mitted'to and approved by the Director of Public Works. At issue
is the proposed parking spaces being 62 with the requirement of
108 and the proposed parking space size being 82' x 20' instead
of the required 91' x 20'.
Appearing in favor: Mr. Joe Natter, owner- applicant for Rettan
Corporation, 9438 Gidley Street, Temple City. Mr. Natter stated
that he believed they were above the County regulations with 62
parking : spaces which would involve about 90 employees. He also
commented that for the past 3 to 4 days, he had been taking a.
survey of the parked cars on Cloverly, Gidley and found from 36-
46 cars parked on the street, however all of these may not belong
to Natter's Corporation. When the expansion is complete they
will have about 25 additional employees coming from the Los
Angeles plant and felt that 62 parking spaces would be adequate
for the new building. They are 43 parking spaces now, with 19
of them being used for storage area in the front of the building,
and by dedicating the 30 foot strip they will be losing 15 parking
spaces. The employees .. work two shifts,. (day and night) and along
with the 24 parking spaces that will be retained and the 62
additional spaces there will be a total of 86 available. Comm-
issioner Oakley, asked Mr. Natter if the existing parking space
sizes were also sub- standard and Mr. Natter said yes, they are
82' x 18' which was the County requirement at the time the build-
ing was constructed. Commissioner Oakley was also concerned with
the existing warehouse and and asked Mr. Natter if this would be
used for anything other than a warehouse in the future, and would
he mind if a condition were made that this building be used only
for warehouse purposes in the future. Mr. Natter stated that he
would be in agreement with this condition. Commissioner Oakley
also asked ' "Mr. Natter if he would want to tear down the existing
warehouse'' building and use that area for additional parking. Mr.
Natter stated no, he would not tear the building down. Comm-
issioner Oakley felt that the applicant was too far from the total
of parking spaces required. Mr. Natter stated that when the
30 foot strip is dedicated to the City they will be losing about
14,000 square feet and also stated that this building is not
going to be cheap one, the estimated cost is about $350,000 and
wished to show the Commission a colored rendering at this time.
The Commission viewed the rendering and a small photograph was
submitted and marked as Exhibit "D ". The Commission was concerned
if the decision would have to be made tonight and Mr. Natter said
yes, they were anxious to construct the building as soon as poss-
ible.because if this is not granted, they will have to find a new
location somewhere else. Chairman Garvin asked if the employee
shifts would be equally split and Mr. Natter stated about 2 to 1.
Appearing as neutral: Mrs. H. Meyer, 4503 Fiesta, Temple City.
She wondered why she had received a notice of the public hearing .
in the mail. Chairman Garvin explained that anyone living within
a 300' radius by law receives a notice of the public hearing and
whether they appear in favor or in opposition or wish not to
appear at all is up to the individual.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Four
August 9, 1966
Also appearing in favor: Mr. William Krisel, Architect for
Rettan Corporation. Mr. Krisel stated that there will be 62
additional parking spaces in conjunction with the new building.
Mr. Krisel stated he thought a total of 86 parking spaces would
be adequate for the amount of employees and felt Temple City's
requirements were quite restrictive.
Appearing in opposition were the following: Mrs. C.E. Palmer,
9415 Gidley Street, Temple City. Mrs. Palmer felt this would not
be adequate parking spaces; that the employees are now parking
on the north side of Gidley and are also eating lunches on resi-
dential properties, leaving papers, lunch bags, etc., after they
are finished. She also stated that the loading and unloading is
done in the middle of the street between 3 :00 P.M. and 5 :00 P.M.
and no one can, get by the trucks during that time and wondered
where this would be done in the future.
Chairman Garvin stated that the plot plan shows a loading dock
off - street and assumed the loading and unloading would be done
there. Mrs. Palmer stated there is now bumper to bumper parking
on the streets and would be against the granting of this request.
Mr. Joe Mieste, 9516 Gidley Street, Temple City. Mr. Mieste
stated that if the entire street is widened he will lose parking
spaces as well as everyone else on the street. Chairman Garvin
stated this street widening will only affect Mr. Natter not the
entire block. Mr. Mieste thought that the streets would be too
over crowded with parked cars.
Mr. Ralph Bonzer, 9508 Gidley Street, Temple City. Mr. Bonzer
said that he had talked with Mr. Dragicevich and he told him
that all of the properties on Gidley would have to be dedicated
and widened and also curbs and gutters constructed. Planning
Director Dragicevich stated that he told Mr. Bonzer that in the
future, the entire street will be widened, but did not state that
it would have to be done at this time. Chairman Garvin said that
the issue tonight has to do with the applicant only and does
not affect anyone else.
Mrs. Fred Cannon, 4515 North Cloverly Avenue, Temple City. Mrs.
Cannon stated that Mr. Natter keeps a very clean plant, but she
is fed up with the employees of the plant. There is excessive
noise during the night and when the employees leave they make
excessive noise with their cars. Chairman Garvin said that this
is zoned M -2 Heavy Industrial Uses and the noise factor is not
at issue in this request.
Mrs. Florine Hussar, 176:Chestnut, San Gabriel and owner of the
property located at 4520 Cloverly Avenue, Temple City. Mrs.
Hussar stated that most of the homes in that area were built
before the plant and felt that Mr. , Natter should have to abide
by the parking requirements of the City and the Municipal Code.
Mr. Joe Mieste, 9516 Gidley Street, Temple City., Mr. Mieste
asked if he could cover his lot now and also have less than the
required parking spaces. City Attorney Flandrick stated that
this applies to the applicant only and if he wanted to do this he
would have to apply for a zone variance as Mr. Natter did.
Appearing in rebuttal: Mr. Joe Natter, 9438 E. Gidley Street,
Temple City. In answer to some of the questions, Mr. Natter
stated that the corner house was built after the plant and all
of the property to the east and west was also built after the
plant; sometimes there is a tie up of traffic on the street when
the trucks are loading and unloading, but the trucks are doing
this on private property that belongs to him.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Five August 9, 1966
When the street is widened the trucks will be using the designa-
ted area that is shown on the plot plan and this will ease the
traffic problem. He also stated that he had talked with his
employees and told them not to use the residential properties
when eating their lunch and that there is going to be . a cafe-
teria in the new building that will accommodate about 82 people.
Along with this there will also be a patio.
Mr. Stan Christiansen, Plant Manager for Rettan Corporation.
Mr. Christiansen wished to clarify to the Commission and to the
persons appearing in opposition, that all of the structures to
the east will be torn down along with any other steel buildings
and will be used for parking spaces and felt this would definitely
help the loading and unloading problem that exists.
After hearing all those desiring to speak for or against this
request a motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by
Commissioner Oakley to close the public hearing. Motion carried
by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Garvin, Oakley
NOES: Commissioners: None
ABSENT: Commissioners: None
Commissioner Briggs stated that he would be in favor of this
variance because the area is zoned for Heavy Industrial Uses and
the noise factor is immaterial and felt that in the future a
study should be made on parking requirements. Commissioner
Beckman felt this would definitely improve the area and the app-
licant is being very cooperative in dedicating the 30' right -of-
way and felt by adding the additional 62 parking spaces a lot of
the parking problem would be ceased. Commissioner Oakley said he
is generally opposed to sub - standard parking stalls, but would
be in favor of this request because it would be improving the
area with the condition that the warehouse remain as such in the
future and no other use be permitted. Chairman: Garvin agreed.
A motion was made by Commissioner Oakley, seconded by Comm -
issioner Beckman that the City. Attorney be instructed to draw a
resolution granting this request with the following conditions:
That the owner of the subject property shall dedicate for public
street purposes, and all other uses appurtenant thereto, the
northerly 30' of the subject property;_ the applicant shall con-
struct and install the following improvements, along the Gidley
Street frontage such as curbs, gutters, street improvements,
sidewalks, driveway approaches and street trees in accordance
with plans submitted to and approved by the Director of Public
Works; that the applicant shall have and maintain not less than
62 off - street parking spaces as shown on the plot plan; that the
use of the warehouse building remain as a warehouse and be used
for no other purpose in the future. Motion carried by the follow-
ing roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
NOES: Commissioners: None
ABSENT: Commissioners: None
At this time Chairman Garvin recessed the meeting for. 5 minutes
at 9 :00 P.M., The meeting was re- convened at 9:05 P.M.
7. PUBLIC HEARING :. CLARIFICATION OF SECTION 503 OF THE TEMPLE CITY
ZONING CODE PERTAINING TO R -2 ZONING.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Six August 9, 1966
Planning Director Dragicevich stated this is to clarify Section
503 of the Temple City Zoning Code to read in an R -2 zone, 2
single family dwellings or one (1) two family dwelling unit be
permitted upon any R -2 zoned lot having in excess of 7,200 square
feet of lot area. Planning Director Dragicevich stated that in
discussing this item with the Planning Commission, it was their
feelings that only 2 dwelling units per each 7,200 square feet
be permitted except in cases that have deep lots at which time
a zone variance could be filed.
After noting that no one wished to speak for or against this
request a motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by
Commissioner Oakley to recommend to the City Council to set a
public hearing on this matter. Motion carried by the following
roll call vote:
AYES
NOES
ABSENT:
Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
Commissioners: None
Commissioners: None.
A motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by Commissioner
Oakley to instruct the City Attorney to draw a resolution for
the clarification of R -2 zoning to be adopted at the next regular
meeting. Motion carried by the following roll call vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
Commissioners: None
Commissioners: None
8. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER A CHANGE IN ZONING REGULATIONS
APPLICABLE TO C -C (COMMERCIAL CENTER)
ZONED PROPERTIES.
Planning Director Dragicevich stated that the recommendation is
a change of zone from C -2, General Commercial, to C -C Commercial
Center Zone, along East Las Tunas Drive, between Oak Avenue and
Golden West Avenue. The Planning Director also called to the
attention of the Commission the proposed ordinance in their packet
prepared by the City Attorney's and submitted a list of existing
Commercial uses along Las Tunas that are not included in this
proposal. Discussion was held on said uses and it was a consensus
that this item should be placed on the agenda for the next regular
adjourned meeting for further study.
A motion was made by Commissioner Beckman, seconded by Commiss-
ioner Oakley to close the public hearing, take thus under sub-
mission and schedule this item for the next regular adjourned
meeting of August 22, 1966 at 7 :30 P.M., for further study. Motion
carried by the following roll call vote:
AYES :_
NOES:
ABSENT.:
Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
Commissioners: None
Commissioners: None
9. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDER .A CHANGE OF ZONE FROM C -2, GENERAL
COMMERCIAL, TO C - C, COMMERCIAL CENTER ON E.
LAS TUNAS, BETWEEN OAK AVENUE AND GOLDEN WEST
AVENUE.
Planning Director Dragicevich stated this item was in conjunction
with the . previous item and felt this also should be set for the
next regular adjourned meeting.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Seven - " August 9, 1966
A motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded by Commiss-
ioner Oakley to close the public hearing, take this under sub-
mission and schedule this item for the next regular adjourned
meeting of August 22, 1966 at 7:30 P.M., for further study.
Motion carried by the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
NOES: Commissioners: None
ABSENT: Commissioners: None
10. OLD BUSINESS
(a) Child Day Care, P.C. Resolution No. 66 -205PC
Planning Director Dragicevich stated that the City Council
at its meeting of July 19, 19.66 held a public hearing on the
subject recommendations made by the Planning Commission and
following due deliberations referred the matter back to the
Planning Commission for the specific purpose of review of
the need of additional controls and possible permit or lic-
ense for the operation of such activities, and wished the
Commission to place it on the August 9th agenda. City
Manager Koski stated the Council thought there should be
stringent controls stipulated such as health requirements,
chargeable fees, etc. City Attorney Flandrick felt that a
copy of the County requirements could be obtained for study.
The Commission instructed the staff to obtain a copy of said
requirements.
Chairman Garvin wanted to move this item to the regular adj-
ourned meeting August 22, 1966 and asked the Planning Dir-
ector to obtain a copy of the County report and also the sit-
uations in the surrounding cities and if any inquiries had
been made on this matter, what they were and the facts per -'
taining to them. Commissioner Oakley stated that the polic -.
ing of this administratively and what have you, plus my orig.
inal recommendations of this semi - commercial intrusion in a
residential zone, this is not the place for it, the most
sacred area we have is the R -1 and R -2 zones and to allow
these things to inch in is, I think, a great mistake and
then have to police it, license it, get staff to pay people .
to take care of it in an R -1 and R -2 zone isn't really the
way it should be done, and wanted to say again it is a great
mistake in these zones. The basic use of R -1 and R -2 zone,
is to be the most remote from any kind of commercial area
as you can. Chairman Garvin asked where this would be put
and' Commission Oakley said outside of an R -1 or R -2 zone.
In other words, R -3, R -4, C -M Zones. Commissioner Oakley
said where you tend to get the places where the people are
away the entire day where it is not true in an R -1 or R -2
zone. Chairman Garvin when you are talking about just
three unrelated children, now this would force somebody int-
erested in doing this type of work that lives in an R -1 or
R -2 zone to set up a business in an R -3 zone. Commissioner
Oakley felt this should be a properly licensed business such
as licensed under the State and other agencies for larger
groups with the proper place to care for them and where they
are in the correct zones. Commissioner Briggs stated this
could be limited to a number of children that could be taken
care of, but he has a family with 7 children living next
door, what do you do in case like that. Commissioner Oakley
said limiting is not the point, the point is this is a semi -
commercial use and you cannot control other peoples children
in the same manner you can your own and when you are dealing
with your neighbors.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Eight August 9, 1966
Commission Briggs was in agreement to a certain extent,
but didn't feel this is a real business in that sense
because they are not making that much money. Commissioner
Oakley said, no, the money is not the real test, but that
is the reason people are taking care of children and this
is not a compatible use in an R -1 or R -2 zone. Planning
Director Dragicevich stated that he had received many inq-
uiries on this subject. This item was placed on the agenda
for the next Regular Adjourned Meeting, August 22, 1966.
(b) Driveway Width for Lot Splits
City Attorney Flandrick suggested this matter be deferred
and the recommendations of the Planning Director be in-
cluded in the new zoning ordinance.
A motion was made by Commissioner. Briggs, seconded by Comm-
issioner Beckman that the recommendation of the City Att-
orney be approved. Motion carried by the following roll
call. vote:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners: Beckman, Briggs, Oakley, Garvin
Commissioners: None
Commissioners: None
11. COMMUNICATIONS
Planning Director Dragicevich read a memo from the Public Works
Director regarding a recommendation made to the Planning Comm-
ission from the Traffic Commission regarding two parking spaces
per unit plus an additional i space per bedroom for apartments
and if this recommendation was being considered by the Planning
Commission and wished a staff report. City Attorney Flandrick
stated this could be incorporated in the new zoning ordinance.
12. TIME FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK. None
13. MATTERS FROM CITY OFFICIALS
(a) City Attorney Flandrick stated that a joint meeting of the
City Council & the Planning Commission had been held on
Kennels and it was their opinion that a Conditional Use
Permit be required.
(b) Planning Director Dragicevich stated there will be a meeting
of the Southern California Planning Congress, August llth.
in Santa Monica. Topic will be "Where Do You Put A Freeway,
Out To Sea ".
(c)
Planning Director Dragicevich also stated that the regular
meeting of September 13, 1966 is the same night of the
Annexation Election and wonder if this would be a conflict.
City Manager Koski said no.
(d) Commissioner Oakley asked when the warehouse parking could
be placed on the agenda so it could be studied. City Att-
orney Flandrick felt this could be considered when the new
Zoning Ordinance is done. Commissioner Oakley wished to
have it looked at and would like to see the parking stalls
kept to the legal size in the code instead of varying in
such a wide degree from the code requirements. Commissioner
Briggs felt that the parking requirements for manufacturing
were also too stringent. Discussion was held on the poss-
ibility of an Occupancy Permit being issued when an applica-
tion'is made by a license.
Planning Commission Minutes
Page Nine August 9, 1966
14. ADJOURNMENT: A motion was made by Commissioner Briggs, seconded
by Commis loner Oakley to adjourn to the next Regular Adjourned
Meeting August 22, 1966 at 7:30 P.M. Motion carried unanimously.
Meeting adjourned at 10 :00 P.M.
ATTEST:
City Clerk
Chai
, Planning Commission