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HomeMy Public PortalAboutMinutes - 1967/11/02 - Regular1 • 1 1 • REGULAR ADJOURNED MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION November 2, 1967 1. Chairman Beckman called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. 2. ROLL CALL: Present: Commissioners: Garvin, Lawson, Millham, Beckman. Absent: Commissioner:.: Oakley Also Present: GeorgeDragicevich, Mike Burnham 3. Comments re Proposed Sign Ordinance: Mr. Jack Lloyd of Heath Co., Los Angeles, brought up some comments and suggestions in reference to the proposed sign regulations. Points of interest were as follows: (a) "Area of Sign" (page 1, para. 2) should be more specific in indicating how to compute the area of a sign (whether to com- pute all signs on one structure, or just the major sign, both sides if double faced, etc.).. (b) Brightness of signs (page 2, para. 8), based on foot lamberts would be difficult, if not impossible, to control and- entorce! Instead 'of this regulation Mr. Lloyd. suggested elimination of flashing or revolving signs, or some required distance (200 ft. to 300 ft.) from R -zoned properties. (c) Rotating signs of 6 -8 RPM would be acceptable (page 4, para.8). (d) Suggested to reword item 10 of page 4, to read: "No sign shall be permitted that causes excessive and objectionable glare upon adjacent residential property." (e) The copy area of free standing signs should be related to the property frontage. The suggested ratio: 3 sq. ft. of sign area for each . 1 i nea l foot of the front (page 6, para. 2) . Free- standing signs are suggested to have a minimum height of 8 ft. Free - standing signs are generally permitted to project 5 ft. dyer public property, having the same requirements as project- ing signs. (f) Wall signs should be related to the face of the '.building . rather r than to the lineal frontage. The suggested area of sign: 20- 30% of the face of the building. (g) The main objections to the roof signs are the sign structures. Roof sign definition is proposed to include:- "....and completely supported by roof of that building" (page 3, para. 22). Roof signs should be regulated by height above the roof of the build- ing. (h) Mr. Lloyd suggested that a provision in the ordinance should be made to permit non - bearing message appendages to the signs not to exceed 5% of the main panel. (i) Painted sign (size) should be controlled just as other signs. With proper illumination and lettering there is actually no difference between.a wall sign and a painted sign. (j) Para. 2, page 8, referring to. Construction and Maintenance, is obsolete in terms of present technology and proposed to be taken out. REGULAR ADJOURNED MEETING PLANNING COMMISSION - NOV. 2, 1967 Page two. (k) Abatement of non- confocmi.ng signs deserve another analysis and re- appraisal, particularly the time period of "all other signs ". The Chairman and the Commissioners agreed to discuss further Mr. Lloyd's valuable comments in their final analysis of the proposed sign ordinance. The Commissioners discussed the problem of lighting intensity. Chair- man Beckman said that on this matter the Commission should be ad- vised by an illumination engineer. 4. Zoning Classification of Car Wash Establishments The Commissioners reviewed the statf repott on zone classifications in surrounding cities and decided to continue with this matter on the next regular meeting to be held .November 14, 1967. 5. Sites of Sign Inspection No decision was made as to when to take a field trip and check size and lighting intensity of selected signs in the City and surround- ing areas. Commissioner Garvin questioned the necessity of having such a trip, since he was not sure whether lighting intensity stand- ards should be part of the sign ordinance. This question should-be resolved in study sessions to come. ADJOURNMENT the meeting adjourned at 10 :15 P.M. to the Regular Meeting of November 14, 1967. ATTEST: S eta ry Chair n