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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2014CC15050 O'Boyle vs. Town of Gulfstream - Hearing Trial Trabscript 11-29-17 (2)· · · IN THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL COUNTY COURT · · · IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA · · · ·CASE NO.:· 50-2014-CC-015050-XXXX-MB MARTIN E O'BOYLE, ASSET ENHANCEMENT INC., · · · · · ·Plaintiffs/Petitioners, vs. THE TOWN OF GULFSTREAM, · · · · · ·Defendant/Respondent. ____________________________________/ · · · · · · · · PROCEEDINGS BEFORE · · · · · · HONORABLE DANA M. SANTINO DATE:· NOVEMBER 29, 2017 TIME:· 1:37 - 4:04 P.M. Page 2 · · · · · · · · · · I N D E X NOVEMBER 29, 2017 ROBERT SWEETAPPLE, ESQ. · · · · · · · · · DIRECT· CROSS· REDIRECT· RECROSS ·By Ms. O'Connor· · 65 ·By Mr. Rivas· · · ·(No questions.) · · · · · · · · ·E X H I B I T S · · · · · · · · ·Identified· · Admitted Joint Exhibit Number 1· · · · · 9· · · · · ·22 (A public records request.) Joint Exhibit Number 2· · · · · 9· · · · · ·22 (A standard form of acknowledgment.) Joint Exhibit Number 3· · · · ·10· · · · · ·22 (A response to public records request.) Joint Exhibit Number 4· · · · ·25 (An invoice.) Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 1· · 21· · · · · 22 (Answers to interrogatories.) Page 3 · · · · ·APPEARING ON BEHALF OF PLAINTIFF: · · · · · ·Robert Rivas, Esquire · · · · · ·SACHS SAX CAPLAN, PL · · · · · ·6111 Broken Sound Parkway Northwest · · · · · ·Suite 200 · · · · · ·Boca Raton, Florida 33487 · · · · · ·Jonathan R. O'Boyle, Esquire · · · · · ·William F. Ring, Jr., Esquire · · · · · ·THE O'BOYLE LAW FIRM, PL · · · · · ·1286 West Newport Center Drive · · · · · ·Deerfield Beach, Florida 33442 · · · · ·APPEARING ON BEHALF OF DEFENDANT: · · · · · ·Joanne M. O'Connor, Esquire · · · · · ·JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON & STUBBS · · · · · ·505 South Flagler Drive, Suite 1100 · · · · · ·West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 · · · · · ·Edward C. Nazzaro, Esquire · · · · · ·TOWN OF GULF STREAM · · · · · ·100 Sea Drive · · · · · ·Gulf Stream, Florida 33483 · · · · · · · · · · · - - - · · · · · ·BE IT REMEMBERED that the following proceedings were taken in the above-styled cause before Honorable Dana M. Santino at the Palm Beach County Courthouse, 205 North Dixie Highway, Room 6A, in the City of West Palm Beach, County of Palm Beach, State of Florida, on Wednesday, the 29th day of November, 2017, to wit: · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· We're slated for a · · three-hour non -- three-and-a-half hour · · non-jury trial today.· Are we going to stick · · to that timeline? Page 4 · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I don't think we'll need that much time, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Is that the feeling on both sides? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We think the case should take no more than an hour.· But -- · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- we don't know what the -- · · ·THE COURT:· Listen, that is my hope, too. I just want to make sure that we have enough time, under the circumstances.· I read through everything, so I just want to make sure.· All right. · · ·I do have a court reporter there.· How are you? · · ·THE REPORTER:· Fine, thank you.· How are you? · · ·THE COURT:· Why don't you proceed. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· You want us to make our appearances for the court reporter? · · ·THE COURT:· Absolutely.· And what I'm going to do, please do not think I am not paying attention.· I take my notes on computer.· So I will be doing that while you guys are presenting your cases and your Page 5 witnesses and the testimony.· Okay? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Very good, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Thank you. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Robert Rivas for the plaintiff.· With me is my co-counsel, Jonathan O'Boyle.· And these tables are small, but the corporate representative of Asset Enhancement, Inc. is William Ring. He's vice president. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Good afternoon, Your Honor.· Joanne O'Connor with Jones, Foster, Johnston and Stubbs for the Town of Gulf Stream.· And with me is the town staff attorney, Trey Nazzaro, and also, our one witness we'll be calling is Robert Sweetapple. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Perfect.· Thank you very much. · · ·And Mr. Sweetapple, you're going to be the only witness, I think, that's going to be presenting any sort of -- and the corporate rep.· As you come up -- you're probably pros at this -- we're going to swear you in and then we'll take it from there.· There will be Page 6 a direct and a cross and maybe redirect, limited to costs, et cetera, so...· Okay? · · ·Okay.· You may proceed. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Shall I? · · ·THE COURT:· Are you going to be presenting openings?· How are you going to -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I would like to, Your Honor. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· In presenting an opening, I'd like the Court's permission to do some of the evidence by presenting the joint exhibits so I can walk Your Honor through the matters in the case all at one time instead of having an opening and then having to separate those things out. · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· I mean if that's going to be an efficient use of time, as long as there's no objection. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No objection, Your Honor. And actually, I just spoke with Mr. Rivas and they dropped Count 2 over the weekend, so we're now here before you on Count 1, which is limited to the redaction issue.· And I do have a highlighted copy of the invoice at issue, that may be helpful for you and for Page 7 the witnesses that are going to follow along. · · ·THE COURT:· Have you seen the -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· And no objection? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· There's no problem with that. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Perfect. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It's just a demonstrative aid. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· That's fine. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Thank you, Your Honor. Robert Rivas for the plaintiff.· As Your Honor, I'm sure, knows, Florida is regarded across the country as the number one state in the union in terms of its commitment to government in the sunshine, that is to say the Public Records and Open Meeting Laws. The people of this state hold open government so dear that they have put the right of access to public records and open meetings in the constitution and provided that these provisions are self-executing. · · ·The Public Records Law, as the background essential rule of law governing everything about a case is that it's to be read broadly, in favor of open government.· There are Page 8 countless cases that recite this.· And any exemption from public records, from access -- public access to records is to be construed narrowly and with any uncertainty about enforcement to be interpreted in favor of openness.· Just as in baseball, the tie goes to the runner, while in the public records enforcement, the tie goes to the public record requester. · · ·The particular case before the Court today involves a public records request made on December 17th, 2014 by the corporation Asset Enhancement, Inc.· I may sometimes call it AEI for short.· We'll now offer to the Court, so that I can combine, sort of, opening and a bit of the evidence, what we've agreed is going to be Joint Exhibit 1. · · ·THE COURT:· Have they been premarked? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It's -- may I? · · ·THE COURT:· Yes. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· That's the public records request.· It's very simple.· It was provided, there's no dispute about most of the facts -- and I'll let you know when I get to something that's disputed -- but it was provided on Page 9 December 17 by the corporation to the town. · · ·(A public records request was marked for identification as Joint Exhibit Number 1.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The public records request, Joint Exhibit 1, basically asks for an invoice from Robert Sweetapple that was rendered by Robert Sweetapple as outside counsel for the -- to the Town of Gulf Stream.· Then, as now, Mr. Sweetapple served as outside counsel for the town. · · ·Two days later, the town sent AEI a standard form of acknowledgment, they use all the time, of the public records request and basically, it says, "Will use best efforts to get back to you about this public records request within a reasonable length of time." And we've agreed to offer this to the Court as Joint Exhibit 2. · · ·(A standard form of acknowledgment was marked for identification as Joint Exhibit Number 2.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· You want to give Ms. O'Connor copies in case she wants to double check it. · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Sure. · · ·THE COURT:· Thank you. Page 10 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Joint Exhibit 2.· On January 6th of 2015, AEI received a response to the public records request.· The response, we've agreed, is going to be given to the Court as Joint Exhibit 3 without objection. · · ·THE COURT:· This was the town's response, you stated? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· This is the town's response. · · ·(A response to public records request was marked for identification as Joint Exhibit 3.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Joint Exhibit 3 reflects the town told AEI that the responsive records were posted online.· That's perfectly okay, that's a lawful way to respond.· We've been online, pulled down the documents.· There's also no issue about the length of time the town took.· There's no evidence and nothing to suggest in this case that the town was nagged about how long it was taking, it was 20 days from the day that the documents were requested until the day that they were produced. · · ·AEI never urged the town to hurry before the response was received.· AEI never Page 11 complained about it in this litigation as to the length of time it took to respond.· Time is not of the essence in this case and it's not an issue in this litigation. · · ·Under Section -- I will get to 4 in just a few minutes -- but under Section 119.07 of the Public Records Law, when an agency withholds a public record from public disclosure, making it available to a requester, because it's exempt from disclosure, the document categorically is exempt or because it contains something specific in it, let's just say it's got a social security number, that's exempt from disclosure.· The town would be obligated to produce the rest of the document, redact the social security number. · · ·I don't think there's any dispute about what I'm saying here, generally speaking, about how this rule of law works.· The town -- so the town can redact things.· And when the town -- when an agency in Florida responds to a public records request, the agency is required to answer by including a statement as to the explanation for any Page 12 redactions, any documents that are withheld from disclosure because they're categorically exempt.· That's not an issue in this case. The only issue in this case -- this is really narrow.· The only issue in this case is the three black-marked redactions that you see in Joint Exhibit 3. · · ·The town produced the invoice that it received with reference to the pertinent time frame under the request from Mr. Sweetapple and the town, in its cover letter, which is within Joint Exhibit 3.· Identified the statutory authorization for the redaction as being Section 119.071(1)(d).· Let me give Your Honor a copy of a little handout we've made.· It's got the three -- · · ·THE COURT:· Is this demonstrative? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes.· It's just the law. These laws have got so many provisions I thought it would be helpful just to visually see something that's very succinctly -- · · ·THE COURT:· Is there any objections? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No objection, Your Honor. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- just succinctly includes nothing but the relevant passages.· So that's Page 13 what those are.· The -- will be occupied in this proceeding with those provisions. · · ·The town's public records response said, at the end of the cover page to Joint Exhibit 3, "We consider this matter closed."· So the town said, we're done complying with this particular public records request.· This is what you got.· Count 1 of the amended complaint was filed a few days later. · · ·Now, there was another count, a Count 2, which we filed voluntary dismissal of a couple of days ago.· That complained that certain documents of another public -- different public records request were not produced, have never been produced.· We've voluntarily dismissed that count so as to reduce the entire claim, the entire case to those three redactions. · · ·The essence of our showing at this final hearing is that the three redactions are improper under Section 119.07(1)(d).· And let me talk for a minute about the law applicable to that particular subsection.· People often refer to it as the attorney/client privilege exemption.· They often refer to it as the Page 14 work product exemption, or both.· It has certain similarities to the attorney/client privilege and the work product exemption. And it's recognizable as being something similar or something that is intended to import those concepts into the Public Records Law and to create an exemption.· But it's important to understand that in many cases, going back to the '70s, the Supreme Court of Florida and all the district courts of appeal of Florida have agreed the legislature, in enacting the Public Records Law, is the client of every lawyer in the state who represents every state agency.· As a result, the legislature has the power to waive the attorney/client privilege and the work product doctrine.· The legislature did waive it in enacting the Public Records Law. · · ·A public record cannot be withheld on the basis of the attorney/client privilege itself or the work product doctrine itself.· The public record can only be withheld under the terms of this statutory exemption, which is not the same thing as the attorney/client privilege.· As Your Honor knows, the Page 15 attorney/client privilege is constantly evolving, being tested against different factual situations, weird wrinkles and facts, attempts to withhold things in litigation. All of that is stripped away.· The only thing that can lawfully be withheld is that which is expressly and specifically included within the terms of Section 119.07(1)(d).· So if we take to referring to that in these proceedings at any time as the attorney/client privilege exemption or the work product exemption, that's okay, we use that as a shorthand, but it always has to be remembered that it's not the same thing; the exemption is what it is.· It's got the words in the statute on its face and that's all that's exempt and it's narrower than the attorney/client privilege. · · ·I also want to give Your Honor, as to complete our case in chief, the -- a copy of the town's response to AEI's request for admissions.· They're in the file, there's no need for them to be authenticated, admitted as evidence, but I'm going to give Your Honor a courtesy copy to use during the trial.· But Page 16 they are, as a matter of law, a part of the record and the file. · · ·The -- I don't think we -- if I can just talk to co-counsel for a second. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· And has opposing counsel -- I mean, obviously, they're admissions.· But has she seen what it is that you're going to be handing to the Court? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It's just the -- we don't -- is there anything other than the admissions that's not replicated in the answers?· Can we just give her the answers?· Don't we have the entire admissions? · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· These admissions are complete.· I mean complete with the answers. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I'm going to give Your Honor the answers, because the -- each answer includes the question that it's answering. · · ·THE COURT:· Now, is that demonstrative or are you admitting that -- it's part of the record, obviously.· Would you let defense counsel, please, look at that before -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We've given it to her. · · ·THE COURT:· Is that what she has? Page 17 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· My apologies. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Same thing.· Come to think of it, there are exhibits attached to the request.· So just in case they're needed, I'll give Your Honor the request for admissions and the response to request for admissions, first to AEI and then also, the ones to Marty O'Boyle. · · ·Oh, they're both here? · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· The request.· You should have both. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Okay.· I've given Ms. O'Connor the one for AEI and I only have -- she doesn't have O'Boyle and I don't have AEI.· This is O'Boyle, so we can give her a copy. · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· They're all just copies. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, I guess I'm just not sure why these are pertinent with Mr. O'Boyle having already dismissed his claim. · · ·THE COURT:· Before you hand that over, can you respond? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· She's got -- I'm sorry. Page 18 Here's the other one. · · ·THE COURT:· Well, are -- but do you want to respond to Ms. O'Connor's -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes. · · ·THE COURT:· -- before I do anything? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· They're in the file, there were admissions made by -- by the defendant. One of them was served by one party, he's still a party, Count 2 has been dismissed. I reflected on where he's technically not a party, but that's something that may have to be litigated at a fees hearing.· But I think both parties are still parties, even though Count 2 has been dismissed. · · ·And I believe what Ms. O'Connor is referring to is the fact that Count 2 is based on the public records request, which on its face was made by Marty O'Boyle.· And Count 1 is based on a public records request which on its face was made by AEI.· Our position is that these admissions, as to both parties, are still equally valid at trial today, having dismissed Count 2 a couple days ago with Marty O'Boyle still being a party. · · ·THE COURT:· How is he a party if we Page 19 dismissed Count 2?· Because AEI is the only one today going forward in this trial. Because you are not entitled to fees if he dismissed your case. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· That's right.· I'm just not clear on how he discontinued being a party because one of the counts -- I mean he was sued by the town in a counterclaim, he's been a party to the litigation in every way, in many ways throughout.· And the fact that Count 2 is based on a public records request that he made and Count 1 is not, I don't think eliminates him as a party. · · ·THE COURT:· Ms. O'Connor? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I mean, they're here representing to the parties that that Count 2 has been dismissed and that they dismissed it in a procedurally proper manner.· So I would object to responses to requests for admissions by a plaintiff that has no pending claim coming into evidence. · · ·THE COURT:· And I tend to agree with that analysis. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Okay.· They're just spare copies of what's in the court record.· If Page 20 Your Honor wants to just toss the one -- · · ·THE COURT:· I'm going to give you back the O'Boyle and I have the Asset.· Any objection -- I'm going to throw this out. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· That's fine. · · ·THE COURT:· We will shred.· Any objection to the Asset Enhancement, Inc.? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Thank you. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The request for admission -- in the request for admission, the town makes admissions, which are -- the first request of the town is the publication to be subject to Chapter 119; the second request is that the plaintiff made the request, Joint Exhibit 1, on December 17th, 2014; the third request is that Sweetapple, Broeker & Varkas, Mr. Sweetapple's law firm, has had an ongoing attorney/client relationship with the town since spring of 2014.· The fourth request for admission is that the town has custody and control of the documents that were requested by the plaintiff.· The fifth is that the town paid a November 2014 bill to Sweetapple, Broeker & Varkas.· And the 18th is that Page 21 Jones, Foster provides attorney services to the town. · · ·And then I'll turn to the interrogatories, which I'd like to offer into evidence.· If we're going to go chronologically, they'd be Plaintiff's Exhibit 1. · · ·THE COURT:· Do you have an objection, Ms. O'Connor? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Just to confirm, these are answers to Asset Enhancement's interrogatories? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Correct. · · ·(Answers to interrogatories were marked for identification as Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 1.) · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No objection. · · ·THE COURT:· And then they are -- are they already marked? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No, I didn't... · · ·THE COURT:· Here, I'll give these to you and if you will kindly, just because you're walking back, in case Ms. O'Connor has any. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Thank you. · · ·THE COURT:· And just for the record, I Page 22 didn't make it clear:· Joint Exhibit 1, Joint Exhibit 2 and Joint Exhibit 3 have been taken into evidence. · · ·(Joint Exhibits 1, 2 and 3 have been admitted into evidence.) · · ·And Plaintiff's 1 is now being taken into evidence. · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 1 was admitted into evidence.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The interrogatory answers, I may get into in more detail as the case progresses, but for now, I'll just leave them at that. · · ·Having said all that, the -- the issue here is that under Section 119.07(1)(g), there is this exemption for material that is described as -- I'm sorry -- 119.071 and then (1)(d)1.; "A public record that was prepared by an agency attorney, including an attorney employed or retained by the agency or employed or retained by another public officer or agency to protect or represent the interests of the agency having custody of the record, or prepared at the attorney's express direction, that reflects the mental Page 23 impression, conclusion, litigation strategy, or legal theory of the attorney or the agency, and that was prepared exclusively for civil or criminal litigation or for adversarial administrative proceedings, or that was prepared in anticipation of imminent civil or criminal litigation or imminent adversarial administrative proceedings, is exempt," and the rest of the sentence means from disclosure, even though it's a public record, it's exempt from disclosure. · · ·That's the exemption the town is relying on.· In Section -- subsection 2 -- I'm sorry. Now we need to go back to the first paragraph with the one that I gave Your Honor; 119.07(1)(g).· It said that, "In any civil action in which an exemption to this section is asserted, if the exemption is alleged to exist under or by virtue of Section 119.07(1)(d)," -- and then the rest are irrelevant; several other subsections are referred to.· But that's the one.· -- "the public records or part thereof in question shall be submitted to the Court for an inspection in camera.· If an exemption is Page 24 alleged to exist under or by virtue of" -- and then it names a different subsection that's not pertinent here -- an inspection -- "an in camera inspection is discretionary with the Court."· I do read that sentence just to point out that they were perfectly clear that "shall be" is the first one and the authors intended that there would be discretion only in the case of one that is under this other subsection, not the one we're under here today.· "If the court finds that the asserted exemption is not applicable, it shall order the public record or part thereof in question to be immediately produced for inspection or copying as requested by the person seeking such access." · · ·This statute is -- we're asking the Court to enforce it today, even though four months after the document was produced with the exemptions, the town produced -- wrote us a letter and sent us a copy of the stat -- of the same invoice without the redactions. · · ·I'm going to give Your Honor Joint Exhibit 4.· And that's where the town sent us... Page 25 · · ·(An invoice was marked for identification as Joint Exhibit Number 4.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· In Joint Exhibit 4, the town, after the litigation was brought, gave us the unredacted copies.· And since then, as far as this count is concerned, the litigation has proceeded solely to establish that at the time the town complied with the Public Records Law, the town violated the exemption and the controlling -- the terms controlling the exemption by producing the invoice with improper redactions.· And with that, the plaintiff rests. · · ·I'm -- I'm sorry.· I'll wait until after I've heard the opening statement of the defendant. · · ·THE COURT:· So this is your opening statement with the submission of exhibits and we're going to put on your witness after Ms. O'Connor concludes her opening? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· At this time, we don't anticipate calling any witnesses.· I expect to rest as soon as Ms. -- unless I'm surprised by something I hear, I expect to rest as soon as Ms. O'Connor finishes her Page 26 opening. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Thank you. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Thank you. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, may I approach and just hand up some law that I've already handed to -- · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· Any objection?· You've had an opportunity to look at this? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I'm sure I have.· I just don't know what it is. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Just the one page from the Sunshine Manual and the AGO opinion from 2000. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Okay. · · ·THE COURT:· You have those? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes. · · ·THE COURT:· No objection? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Those were in your letter -- with your letter to the judge, Ms. O'Connor? They were in your letter -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I just handed them to the judge. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Oh. · · ·THE COURT:· Why don't we do this to be safe, rather than sorry.· I'm sorry.· Would Page 27 you mind just handing this over and having plaintiff counsel look at it so there's no confusion for the record? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· All right. · · ·THE COURT:· Thank you. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Good afternoon, Your Honor.· Joanne O'Connor on behalf of the Town of Gulf Stream, who it is my pleasure to represent.· This case concerns solely, at this point, a November 2014 invoice that, as Mr. Rivas indicated, was produced more than two-and-a-half years ago in fully unredacted form. · · ·The November 2014 invoice was requested in December 2014, and I think it's important for you, as you consider the time -- the limited redactions that were made on this invoice, to understand the circumstances that we're facing, the Town of Gulf Stream and you'll hear about this from Attorney Sweetapple today. · · ·The Town of Gulf Stream has about a thousand residents, a handful of employees working in town hall and what they were facing in November and December of 2014 was Page 28 unprecedented.· In December of 2014, there were 41 lawsuits pending against the Town of Gulf Stream.· I believe all of them were pending in this courthouse.· There were a dozen public records lawsuits brought by Mr. O'Boyle or his affiliates, including the plaintiff here, Asset Enhancement, of which he is the sole principal.· There were additional suits that Mr. O'Boyle has brought against the town regarding alleged civil rights violations. · · ·By his own accounts, in the pleading that he filed against Mr. Sweetapple, he had filed 30 lawsuits against the Town of Gulf Stream since January of 2015.· In addition to Mr. O'Boyle, who is joined by another town resident, Christopher O'Hare, who is filing dozens of public records lawsuits arising out of hundreds of public records requests, they were barraging the Town of Gulf Stream with. And I say that because -- I'll ask Your Honor to take judicial notice of all the lawsuits that were pending against the Town of Gulf Stream at this time period.· But there was certainly no reason to believe that these Page 29 lawsuits would not continue, that additional litigation would not be imminent at the time that Mr. Sweetapple completed his time entries on the invoice at issue.· In fact, there were four lawsuits that were filed in September of 2014 alone. · · ·You'll hear that -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Your Honor, I know -- I know that there's -- · · ·THE COURT:· Wait, wait, wait.· Is this an objection? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes. · · ·THE COURT:· And what's your objection? What's the legal basis for your objection? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· This -- she's talking about evidence that should never be allowed in. I don't expect it to be allowed in.· It's not relevant to the case. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· So your legal basis is relevance? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Right. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· What is your response? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, the redactions at issue go to the litigation strategy and you're going to hear from Mr. Sweetapple Page 30 about how these entries, which included things about references to making settlement offers relative to some of these pending cases and relative to appearing as counsel for the town in additional cases, why that represented litigation strategy.· So it's important -- I'm sticking close to the time period here, November and December 2014; that's the time period at issue.· And that's the time period I want to educate the Court in terms of what Mr. Sweetapple was doing as counsel for the town at this time so you can understand what he was putting on his invoices. · · ·THE COURT:· Well, and Mr. Sweetapple will testify to that, -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Correct. · · ·THE COURT:· -- I'm presuming. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Yeah, I'm just foreshadowing what he's going to testify to. · · ·THE COURT:· And do you believe that is relevant? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· As to this particular invoice? Page 31 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· As to that particular invoice, yes.· I believe the statute requires, Your Honor, to look at the invoice objectively and define whether or not the redactions are legitimate.· Testimony about surrounding circumstances is irrelevant. It's not necessary to have any of this -- this is why I thought the town -- I thought the trial should take an hour.· And the town puts on the case that the town wants to put on and if we don't know whether the Court's going to consider it yet, the case could take days.· I mean, there could be a parade of witnesses. · · ·She just now suggested that O'Boyle was joined by O'Hare.· There's no evidence. They've tried this over and over again. There's no evidence in the world that O'Hare was in any way connected to O'Boyle. · · ·By the way, she's referring to Mr. O'Boyle, John O'Boyle's father, not Jonathan O'Boyle, which we talked about the O'Boyles so far. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, -- · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. Page 32 · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I'm sorry. · · ·THE COURT:· Your response? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· My response is, one, in their own trial memorandum, they indicated that if we put on no evidence, that they should somehow win.· Despite the fact that, we submit, you could look at these redactions yourself and decide that they certainly represent work product, protected work product information. · · ·But Mr. Sweetapple, in order to explain to this Court why these limited redactions on his November 2014 bill constitute his litigation strategy, certainly needs to explain to Your Honor what the litigation was that he was handling and was considered to be handling. · · ·One of the entries, he talks about Mayor Morgan asking Mr. Sweetapple to appear in additional cases.· Well, what additional cases?· I need Mr. Sweetapple to explain that to Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Well, and before you respond, I think that this is non-jury trial, so it's up to the Court to weigh the evidence and Page 33 consider that which is relevant and not relevant.· And I think that you will have ample opportunity to object when the witness is testifying as to specific answers to specific questions. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Your Honor, I'd like to make a different, additional objection and move in limine to prevent all this evidence for a different basis, if I may. · · ·THE COURT:· You want to move in limine in the middle of the trial? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I want to move for all of this evidence that she's proffering right now to be excluded. · · ·THE COURT:· Based on? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Because last week, we received these answers -- · · ·THE COURT:· But realize you didn't proffer --· so now you're -- it's an ore tenus motion in limine without proper notice to the opposing counsel, correct? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· You'll see, when I explain the facts, why we didn't have an opportunity. There was discovery outstanding, it was responded to last week.· In the discovery, Page 34 the town repeatedly asserted two things to block our discovery in the requests for admission and interrogatory answers.· One is that the information, such as the context -- all of what she just now offered to tell you, to have Mr. Sweetapple testify to you, the context, who -- why it was litigation strategy, all that.· They objected on the basis that it was within the attorney/client privilege, and so they didn't answer the interrogatories. · · ·And then they went on to say it's irrelevant because they asserted -- and it's beyond the scope -- not only irrelevant, but not even reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible information.· Because the town asserted that the elements of the cause of action under Chapter 119, in the trial cause of action, under -- and discovery in Chapter 119 -- and this is correct, by the way; it's our position, as well.· The answer -- or objection to the interrogatory question.· Discovery in a Chapter 119 matter is limited to whether the documents identified in the public records request Page 35 exist, whether the exemptions -- whether any statutory exemptions to public inspection of such documents, the latter being the issue here.· That's it, those two things.· And it goes on to say, "Because the request seeks information beyond these issues, it is over broad and imposes an unreasonable burden on the town."· This, we received a week ago. Last -- late last week.· And before the trial, I asked whether the town agreed with this position still and the town did not intend to put on evidence of any -- I might have moved in limine, but I -- I believed, in good faith, that since they've asserted these objections in these discovery responses that the town was taking the position that they took in the discovery responses and the town would be bound by them and that the town didn't even -- there wouldn't even be an argument because the town intended to live by them because these are the responses that the town gave.· All of this information is irrelevant, according to the town's objection to the responses to the discovery. · · ·THE COURT:· What's your response? Page 36 · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Several things.· Number one, we object procedurally to this motion being made at this time.· Number two, they certainly were on notice.· I'm not sure what interrogatory he's reading from, but, Your Honor, Plaintiff's Exhibit 1, our answer to interrogatory number 9 -- and by the way, these interrogatories, this is a three-and-a-half year old suit, almost four-year-old suit.· They served us with interrogatories about 35 days ago so that they would be due, like, days before this trial.· I think we asked for a one-day, two-day extension.· We got them in on file. · · ·If you look at number 9, which asked us to identify, with detail, all facts supporting our first affirmative defense, and our first affirmative defense, essentially, was we complied with the statute, this material is exempt.· We didn't assert exemptions, we didn't assert any objections in answering, we cited to the statute.· The statute that, again, is going to require Your Honor to determine if these redactions, "reflect a mental impression, conclusion, Page 37 litigation strategy or legal theory of the attorney and was prepared exclusively for civil or criminal litigation or in anticipation of imminent civil litigation. · · ·I don't know how you can do that without knowing what was the existing litigation, what litigation was imminent and what were the litigation strategies that were being contemplated at the time.· We go on in this answer, not to object, but to explain exactly what I've explained to Your Honor here, that at the time of this invoice and the limited redactions therein, the town was already involved in dozens of pending lawsuits by and between O'Boyle and many of his affiliated entities, as well as another town resident, Christopher O'Hare, and we go.· That's exactly what -- the statement I made in my opening here. · · ·They certainly have understood, they even subpoenaed Mr. Sweetapple themselves for trial, so I don't understand how they can claim some kind of prejudice that they weren't on notice. · · ·And I don't -- again, they're the ones Page 38 that have taken the position that we need to put on evidence to support these exemptions and that's what we're doing. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· This Court's going to overrule both objections, based on relevance and -- I guess there was only a relevance objection?· And I'm going to deny the request, the ore tenus motion in limine. · · ·Proceed. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Sure.· Your Honor, at the time, obviously, this is a November 2014 invoice that we're dealing with by the Sweetapple, Broeker & Varkas law firm. Attorney Sweetapple has been retained by the Town of Gulf Stream.· The town counsel had authorized him to come in and represent them in these public records lawsuits.· They did that back in March of 2014.· Mr. Sweetapple had accepted that representation in April 2014 and he thereafter had begun to appear not in every public records case, but in select public records cases. · · ·Thereafter, he did due diligence -- he did diligence, he assisted the town in investigating whether they had defenses or Page 39 counterclaims that could be brought to these various public records lawsuits. · · ·Two months before the request at issue, in response, we submit, to the town bringing Mr. Sweetapple into the litigation, Mr. O'Boyle, again, a principal of Asset Enhancement, had sued Attorney Sweetapple individually for slander, conspiracy, and an entity affiliated with Mr. O'Boyle, The Citizen's Awareness Foundation, Inc. that sued Attorney Sweetapple, claiming certain documents provided to him were confidential, privileged information.· So there was -- this was aggressively fought litigation as we come into the fall of 2014.· And what would appear is that this request that was made by Asset Enhancement for Mr. Sweetapple's invoices was not alone.· Mr. Sweetapple was routinely getting public records requests coming through the Town of Gulf Stream for his invoices. · · ·So essentially, you have an opponent in an active pending litigation, dozens of litigations.· You have an opponent asking for your attorney invoices that reflect Page 40 attorney -- what your attorney is doing to defend the cases.· It was clearly and transparently an attempt to obtain work product information, to gather information regarding the town's strategies for defending these dozens and dozens of suits that were pending, and to use it to disadvantage the town and to advantage Mr. O'Boyle, Asset Enhancement and the other plaintiffs in these lawsuits. · · ·Mr. Rivas explains and outlines the exemption, the work product and we agree that it's not an attorney/client privilege, it's an opinion work product privilege.· There's three elements that you'll need to find to support our redactions, which we submit are all easily found here.· Number one, that there was a public record prepared by an agency attorney.· We don't dispute that these invoices are public records. · · ·But the question is:· Does this -- does the redacted language reflect a mental impression, a conclusion, a litigation strategy or a legal theory of the attorney or the agency?· That's the second question. Page 41 · · ·We assert that the redacted information clearly constitutes the town's litigation -- references to the town's litigation strategy. And the third item is that the exempt work product has to have been prepared exclusively for civil or criminal litigation, or in anticipation of imminent civil or criminal litigation. · · ·Now, the plaintiff, in their trial memorandum, tried to suggest that somehow an attorney bill or invoice is not something that's prepared exclusively for civil or criminal litigation.· They did so without any law in support, and we submit, and I've given you the government and the Sunshine Manual from 2017, page 117, which summarizes the pertinent law and you have the backup information. · · ·But if you see in paragraph 1A, attorney bills and payments are expressly discussed in terms of the exemption, and in the second paragraph, the Sunshine Manual cites to a 1985 attorney general opinion talking about if the bills and invoices contain some exempt work product; i.e., mental impressions, Page 42 conclusions, litigation strategy or legal theories, the exempt material may be deleted and the remainder disclosed. · · ·And again, in the Herskovitz versus Leon County case, they talk, obviously, of an entry in a billing statement which identifies the specific legal strategy to be considered or puts a specific amount of settlement authority received from the client would fall within the exemption. · · ·By contrast, Your Honor, there's cases that say, such as the Smith and Williams' cases, that, you know, a municipality is not entitled to just wholesale redact the entire invoice.· Can't withhold it, can't wholesale redact it.· Things like how much Mr. Sweetapple is charging per hour, how many hours he works on a particular task or not, work product in the context of Section 119. And that's not what was redacted here. · · ·So again, there's -- we submit there is no law supporting their position that somehow the attorney invoice, an invoice by an attorney who solely handles litigation, was not prepared exclusively for civil Page 43 litigation. · · ·We -- Section 119.07(1)(d) required the town to redact that portion to which an exemption has been asserted.· Let me hand that up to Your Honor, because I'm not sure that was part of what was provided. · · ·THE COURT:· That's -- which one exactly -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Let me hand it up.· I'm not sure if he has, if that's okay. · · ·THE COURT:· Has opposing counsel seen this? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· He has it, as well. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Which is it? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· It's the Statute 119.07 -- · · ·THE COURT:· The Statute and (d) and then (e) are highlighted; 119.07 (d) and then (e). · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Okay. · · ·THE COURT:· Are you sure?· Okay.· No objection. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· So, Your Honor, once the exempt work product is identified, then the municipality shall redact that portion of the record to which an exemption has been asserted and produce the remainder.· And Page 44 that's what happened here. · · ·Also, under (1)(e), the town has to identify the statutory citation to the exemption created by a statute.· We did both of those things; we redacted the portion of the record to which the exemption was asserted and validly applied, we produced the remainder, timely, for inspection, as Mr. Rivas has conceded.· We identified 119.071(1)(d) as the statutory basis of our exemption.· And also, in our cover letter, at Exhibit 3, we told them -- we reiterated the basis of the exemption and who the parties were to the litigation addressed. · · ·I want to talk about the limited redactions.· Again, you'll hear the scope of the litigation that the town was facing at the time that Mr. Sweetapple was representing them in November of 2014.· His invoice has 45 entries.· Only three of them were redacted, and even then, they were only partially redacted.· What we're talking about here are a total of 15 words.· This is not a case of a municipality trying to avoid public disclosure of public records. Page 45 · · ·This is a case where a municipality -- frankly, I think the town probably could have been much more aggressive than it was in this invoice.· These redactions were strictly construed by the town, very limited in terms of the opinion, work product and the litigation strategy that was redacted here. · · ·There's three redactions at issue and you'll hear about them from Mr. Sweetapple. The first one involves a reference on page 2 of the invoice to a New Jersey counsel. You'll hear from Mr. Sweetapple about his discovery of the fact that Mr. O'Boyle had a lengthy history with the town of Longport, New Jersey.· There's a nearly identical pattern of abuse of the Public Records Law resulting in litigation there.· And the fact that the town was investigating that conduct, speaking to New Jersey counsel was part and parcel of the town's strategy of discovering information that could be used in defense of these cases.· And certainly, disclosure of the fact that New Jersey counsel had been consulted would have immediately tipped Mr. O'Boyle off to that strategy. Page 46 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· That is -- Your Honor, I object on the basis that I'm asking the Court to enforce an estoppel against the town putting on this information.· That exact question is in the interrogatories and there's a long two paragraphs explaining why it's objectionable; because it's attorney/client privileged information and because it's irrelevant to the litigation. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Bear with me and point me in the direction of where you're -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· If you look at the plaintiff's first set of interrogatories to the defendant, -- · · ·THE COURT:· Is that -- okay. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- Asset Enhancement, -- · · ·THE COURT:· Which question? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- question number 19. I just jumped to my feet at this moment, because it's the clearest example, I mean it's unusually clear.· All this stuff is prohibited by the interrogatory answers if the Court enforces an estoppel against the town changing its position -- · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. Page 47 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- at trial. · · ·THE COURT:· Please walk me through it so I can give you what you want. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· This precise one, it said -- the question was -- the question in 19:· "Who was the New Jersey counsel?"· It says -- the words, "NJ counsel" are redacted from the invoice. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Where are you? I don't -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· In the answers to interrogatories, the plaintiff's first set of interrogatories. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· I have the admissions. Where are the interrogatories?· Is that -- okay.· My apologies.· Here it is. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No problem.· Asks that -- and these are the interrogatories served by Asset Enhancement on the town, answered last week. Question 19:· "Who was the NJ counsel" -- those are the exact words redacted -- "listed in the 11/10/2014 redaction?· See attached billing records as Exhibit A."· Answer: "Objection.· The town objects on the grounds that the request seeks information protected Page 48 by the attorney/client and work product privileges.· The town further objects because it seeks information that is not reasonably likely to lead to discoverable information." · · ·And by the way, I renew my relevance objection because the town asserts that it is irrelevant.· Not only irrelevant, but beyond the scope of discovery with the loser standard.· Discovery -- goes on to say, "Discovery in a Chapter 119 matter is limited to whether the documents identified in the public records request exist, whether the documents sought are public records and whether there are any statutory exemptions to public inspection of such documents." · · ·Now, this is not in the abstract.· It's in response to the precise question that counsel is now representing to the Court in opening statement that Mr. Sweetapple's going to testify, about who was the New Jersey counsel, why was it exempt under the public records -- public disclosure, on grounds that it was litigation strategy.· The exact matter at issue in this litigation.· And the answer is that it's not only irrelevant, but beyond Page 49 the scope of discovery. · · ·If you look at question 8 of the request for admissions, the one Your Honor had in your hand a second earlier, it requests -- request number 8, I guess rather than a question -- admit that the redaction -- redacted phrase "NJ counsel" in the 11/10/14 billing entry on Exhibit B, which is the invoice in question here, refers to New Jersey attorney David W. Sufrin, Esquire. That's who she's talking about.· That's who she's now saying she's going to have Mr. Sweetapple come and testify to the Court about. · · ·In response to her request for admission, the town says, "Objection on the grounds that the discovery seeks information that is not likely to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence."· And it goes on to recite the whole -- it contends -- which we agree, it's a correct statement of the law -- discovery is limited to whether the documents are public records and whether there are any statutory exemptions to public -- sorry -- inspection of public documents, the latter Page 50 being the issue here.· Because the request for admissions seeks information beyond these issues, it is over broad and imposes an unreasonable burden on the town.· The town further objects," the last sentence, "as the request seeks information protected by the work product and/or attorney/client privileges.· Again and again, in response to the exact things Ms. O'Connor is now saying Mr. Sweetapple is going to testify about. · · ·And I appreciate this time because this is a bigger issue than just one objection, because it can affect the course of the trial.· And it needs to be fully aired. These responses assert objections that are, in part, correct, and it is irrelevant, so relevance is another objection.· But the estoppel thing, it's just wrong for a party to serve an answer to an interrogatory that objects on these bases and then represent to the Court at the start of the trial that they're going to put on a witness to prove these exact things. · · ·The reason we subpoenaed Mr. Sweetapple, and it's been suggested to you that we must Page 51 have anticipated that we were going to use this information.· No.· The reason we subpoenaed Mr. Sweetapple to be here today is in case our objections were overruled, in case Your Honor went down that road and decided to let them do that and put on evidence and maybe they'd even use a different witness to put on the same evidence, we wanted to be prepared to rebut it by questioning Mr. Sweetapple, again, extending the trial, making the trial into something much more complex than it is, something that's going to take longer than it should take, when it's about three simple redactions. · · ·And on the face of the redactions, maybe we can put the arguments about the redactions up front in order to shorten the trial. Because on the face of the redactions and the face of the bills, it is preposterous to suggest that these three redactions are proper.· They're -- they're the same information as disclosed in many other places in the same invoices.· The information is just not -- it just can't possibly qualify Page 52 objectively under the standard of the statute. · · ·THE COURT:· Your response? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Yes, Your Honor.· These are good lawyers on the other side that know how to ask a question in an interrogatory and a request for admission.· And if you look carefully, the question to which we objected was, "Who was the New Jersey counsel?" I haven't said anything about who that person was, I don't expect Mr. Sweetapple to testify to it, the town hasn't waived privilege as to that information.· Again, this is aggressively hard-fought litigation. · · ·There's no reason that Your Honor can't hear testimony, in fact, needs to hear testimony from Mr. Sweetapple as to why having a conversation with a New Jersey lawyer represented litigation of a strategy -- litigation strategy of the town. Doesn't matter who that lawyer is, Mr. Sweetapple can testify as to why the facts that he felt it necessary to speak with a lawyer in New Jersey represents the town's litigation strategy that was protected by the Page 53 work product privilege.· Doesn't matter who the individual was and that's what both of these questions ask. · · ·THE COURT:· What is your response to that?· Because immediately upon your objection when we were going down that road, that's what I thought about.· Who cares who it is?· If this Court's to determine whether or not it falls within the exemption under the statute, how can we not take that into consideration?· Not who it is, but the purpose of the conversation. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Because the -- it's impossible to talk about what happened in New Jersey without disclosing the identity of the attorney, and without expanding the trial into a sub-trial on an issue that shouldn't be here. · · ·The guy, Sufrin, and Mr. Sweetapple conspired to commit a crime and to obtain -- · · ·THE COURT:· How exactly is that relevant? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Because that's why he redacted the name -- the reference to the New Jersey attorney.· He thought that it would be really harmful to him, in personal litigation Page 54 that was underway at the time -- see, this is how broad it's going to get if we have to go back and forth trying to explain the surrounding circumstances. · · ·He thought that if Mr. O'Boyle knew who the New Jersey attorney was then he would suddenly connect up the fact that Mr. Sufrin and Mr. Sweetapple had committed offenses for which -- very serious offenses to obtain illegal, confidential medical information about Mr. O'Boyle.· He didn't want Mr. O'Boyle to come into possession of the realization that that's what he was up to at the time. · · ·And identity of the lawyer in New Jersey, the name of the lawyer in New Jersey, there's only one lawyer in New Jersey this could refer to and it's indispensable to the explanation of the story. · · ·THE COURT:· What's your response? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Respectfully, I submit that Mr. Rivas is the one delaying this case. We're just planning to put on evidence that the town's litigation strategy was to reach out to a lawyer in New Jersey who had had a Page 55 prior experience, under the Public Records Act, with Mr. O'Boyle.· So I mean, I guess we have to see what he will -- you know, I don't think my questions will open the door to a cross-examination of the type that he's discussing, but we can deal with it then. But this is... · · ·MR. RIVAS:· If I can make one final comment, Your Honor.· If the name of the lawyer is not relevant to the strategy, then the whole thing wouldn't be redacted under the statute.· I mean, what difference does it make if he spoke to a New Jersey lawyer?· If they don't realize who it is that we're going to connect it up with, just any New Jersey lawyer -- the idea that they can skate past this issue by the subterfuge of saying, oh, he didn't ask the name. · · ·THE COURT:· But you're asking for something personal to Mr. O'Boyle.· This is a public records request, presumably from somebody not related to Mr. O'Boyle at all and the town is strategizing in their civil litigation and you're connecting the dots. I don't know -- Page 56 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The town is going to -- I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.· I thought that that last sentence, you were done. · · ·THE COURT:· Go ahead. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The town is going to try to tell you the broader context of why the words New Jersey -- NJ lawyer were, in fact, connected to litigation strategy.· That door opens us to show the words, New Jersey lawyer were not connected to litigation strategy, but were deleted for reasons that were not legitimate under the Public Records Law and because of Mr. Sweetapple's personal interest in assuring that this information didn't come out.· It's -- that's -- that's why it's a rabbit trail that the Court ought to not let the town go down. · · ·THE COURT:· What's your response to the argument that if you're going to show one particular strategy, they have to essentially negate it? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Well, he would have had to know that.· That's our burden.· They've indicated our burden is to show you that this represents -- that this redacted information Page 57 represents a litigation strategy or a mental impression or conclusion.· It's right there in the statute.· That's our burden to show. What we're submitting here is that we don't need to explain who the individual lawyer was.· In fact, I think he just said if we had not redacted New Jersey counsel, they would have known that it's a small handful of people who it could have been. · · ·And so I mean, if he -- if he needs to defend his case by putting on evidence that this is not pertinent to the town's litigation strategy, I don't see how he wasn't on notice of that fact.· So that's our burden. · · ·THE COURT:· And your response to that? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· All of this just illustrates why the legislature, in the next paragraph of that statute, it says why the statute is there, the town's going to redact things and it can't be questioned so courts ought to do in camera inspections.· The in camera inspection provision doesn't say anything about allowing evidence from either side before the in camera inspection takes place. Page 58 · · ·The decision whether the redactions were proper is supposed to be made by the Court in camera.· Here, it's altered a little bit because it's not necessary, because we've got the unredacted documents.· So Your Honor doesn't need to go look at them in camera. But the principle still applies, that the attorney's fees are to be awarded if the redaction was improper.· And as a consequence, if the Court had done an in camera inspection, there wouldn't be any evidence at the trial from the town as to why. · · ·THE COURT:· And how is this Court supposed to determine whether it was or was not an exempt -- part of the exempt -- exemption permitted in the statute without any evidence put on by defense counsel to that very thing? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Because -- · · ·THE COURT:· How would you, as plaintiff, came here today -- how did you expect defense to put on their case -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Their -- · · ·THE COURT:· -- to prove the exemption Page 59 applies? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Our first threshold argument is that the defense doesn't get to put on a case.· The defense has to allow the Court to look at the documents and decide, without any extrinsic evidence, whether or not the -- the statute provides that the redacted material has to reflect a litigation strategy.· It doesn't use a word that allows the Court to approve of a redaction because there's a reference to some little thing.· If the reference to NJ counsel doesn't reflect the litigation strategy, then it can't be redacted. · · ·Moreover, the references to the lawyer -- to the NJ -- one of the things that's so ridiculous about it is that every one of the supposedly redactable references in this invoice is referred to elsewhere in the invoice.· The invoice itself contains proof that there's no legitimacy or that it's -- if it were attorney/client privilege, it would be deemed to be waived.· The same information is available elsewhere in the same document. These redaction are utterly random.· And it's Page 60 on the face of the document itself. · · ·THE COURT:· What is your response to the fact -- to the assertion that you have no right to put on any evidence or defense with respect to today's hearing? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Sure.· I would refer Your Honor to their own trial memorandum that they submitted, I believe, yesterday on page 7. It's a "gotcha," basically, claim, that under chapter -- at the top of page 7 of their trial brief, under Chapter 119, when an agency claims exemption from disclosure, they bear the burden of proving the right to the exemption.· That means if both plaintiff and defendant present no evidence, plaintiff will be the prevailing party.· So clearly, they're taking contradictory positions, their trial brief directly contemplates that evidence needs to be presented to Your Honor to support the exemptions. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· I'm going to overrule the objection. · · ·Proceed. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Okay.· Thank you.· Your Honor, the next -- just briefly -- the next Page 61 exemption is at page 3 of the invoice.· The words, "settlement offer," Mr. Sweetapple will testify that this relates to his settlement offer the town was considering in November of 2014 to Christopher O'Hare. Again, he was one of the other town residents who has been barraging the town with public records requests and lawsuits.· The fact that the town was considering a settlement offer reflected the strategy to defend and resolve those cases with Mr. O'Hare and to potentially obtain Mr. O'Hare's agreement to testify against Mr. O'Boyle on an imminent, to-be-filed RICO litigation that the town did file in February of 2015. · · ·The final redaction is also on page 3, at the November 19th entry, and it's a reference to additional cases Mayor Morgan has asked R. Sweetapple to appear in.· This entry reflects a shift in the town's litigation strategy to take a more aggressive stand for Mr. Sweetapple to appear in additional cases. And he'll discuss what that meant, that this was actually done in January, late January 2015, after this invoice was produced. Page 62 · · ·The town did file counterclaims, including in this case against Mr. O'Boyle, based on information that Mr. Sweetapple had been gathering in his role as outside counsel for the town. · · ·And with that, we conclude our opening. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Thank you. · · ·Mr. Rivas, do you want to call your witness or are you going to call a witness? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We have no witnesses, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The plaintiff rests. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Defense, your witness? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Yes.· Your Honor, first, I have an amended request for judicial notice that was filed previously with the Court.· If I may approach.· And by this amend -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I object to the Court taking judicial notice of these matters. · · ·THE COURT:· What's the proper procedure for judicial notice? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The proper procedure for judicial notice is that they have to provide the Court and opposing counsel reasonable Page 63 time in advance with everything that's necessary to enable the Court and the opposing counsel to decide whether these things can genuinely be disputed. · · ·This is nothing but a list of cases. There's no reason on the face of this document to acknowledge that the docket of the circuit court for this circuit reflects that all these cases exist.· There's no information about what's in them, what they say, how they relate.· The first one is Christopher O'Hare versus Town of Gulf Stream.· It doesn't involve any of the parties to this case.· It goes on and on about Christopher O'Hare.· What are these cases about?· What do they mean and why are they relevant?· It's -- none of this is -- a list of cases simply can't be a legitimate source of -- an appropriate application of judicial -- · · ·THE COURT:· Of judicial notice. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- notice. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· I tend to agree with that analysis.· I think that your witness can testify to the -- these cases or the nature Page 64 · · of these cases and how it lends itself to the · · litigation strategy. · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, the town calls · · Robert Sweetapple. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Mr. Sweetapple, would you · · raise your right hand? THEREUPON, · · · · · · · ·ROBERT SWEETAPPLE, having been first duly sworn by the Court, the witness testified as follows: · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Thank you. · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, may I approach · · and provide Mr. Sweetapple a copy of the · · highlighted invoice? · · · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· Has the defense [sic] · · counsel taken a look at that? · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Yes. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Is that the one you · · highlighted with yellow? · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Yes. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes, Your Honor, that's fine. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. Page 65 · · · · · · · ·DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·Mr. Sweetapple, could you please state your name for the record? · · A.· ·Robert Sweetapple. · · Q.· ·And how are you employed? · · A.· ·I am an attorney, practicing law in the state of Florida. · · Q.· ·Okay.· And can you give the Court, just briefly, your education? · · A.· ·Well, I'm a local boy.· I graduated from Nova High School in 1972, I graduated from Colgate University in 1976 and from the University of Florida Law School in 1979. · · Q.· ·When were you admitted to the Florida Bar? · · A.· ·May of 1980. · · Q.· ·Do you have any board certifications? · · A.· ·Yes.· I'm Board Certified as a civil trial lawyer and I'm also Board Certified as a business litigator. · · Q.· ·Do you have any other ratings or certifications? · · A.· ·I've been AV rated since, I believe, 1984 or 1985. Page 66 · · Q.· ·Can you describe for the Court the nature of your practice? · · A.· ·All I've ever engaged in, since 1980, is litigation.· I did some complex criminal litigation up to 1984, but since that time, my practice has exclusively been in civil litigation. · · Q.· ·Thank you.· Directing your attention to November 2014, was there a point in time where you came to represent the Town of Gulf Stream? · · A.· ·Yes.· I was retained in or about April of 2014 to represent the town with regard to an inundation of public records requests that were being filed by Martin O'Boyle and Christopher O'Hare and their corporations and alter egos, all being filed, with few exceptions -- · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection.· Predicate for his · · knowledge of any of those facts he just now · · stated.· He has no personal knowledge of · · those things. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Sustained. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·Did you represent the Town of Gulf Stream in any pending public records litigation? · · A.· ·Yes, I did. · · Q.· ·Okay.· Do you recall, when you first were Page 67 brought on to represent the town, how many lawsuits were pending against it in the spring of 2014? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection.· Irrelevant. · · · · ·THE COURT:· What was the question? · · Your -- could repeat the question? · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· How many -- do you recall · · how many pending public records lawsuits · · there were against the town when you were · · brought in to represent it in the spring of · · 2014? · · · · ·THE COURT:· Rephrase the question as to · · how many he was personally involved with. · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Sure. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Is there an -- objection · · over -- sustained -- pardon me.· Any · · objection to rephrasing the question? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It would still be irrelevant · · what -- how does the number of lawsuits he · · was hired to represent the town in relate to · · the redaction? · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· If I may, Your Honor?· One · · of the redactions at issue talks about Mayor · · Morgan requesting Mr. Sweetapple to appear in · · additional cases.· Actually, if you look at Page 68 · · the interrogatories, it's one of the · · questions that they asked us in the · · interrogatory in terms of -- I think you need · · to understand how many cases there were · · pending and how many he was handling at the · · beginning and whether he started to handle · · more as time went on, to understand the · · redaction and what the strategy was in · · November of 2014. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Overruled. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· There were dozens of public · · record lawsuits brought against the town by · · Jonathan O'Boyle's law firm. · · · · ·THE COURT:· How many were you, sir, · · specifically involved in? · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I was hired to represent · · the town with regard to all of the public · · records litigation in April.· However, we · · agreed that I would only appear in certain · · cases in the beginning as counsel of record. · · However, I was hired with regard to the · · entire problem that existed at that time. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·And can you describe, just briefly, for Page 69 the Court what you did over the next six months, leading up to this November 2014 invoice in terms of representing the Town of Gulf Stream on -- · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·-- the public records lawsuits? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection.· Irrelevant. · · · · ·THE COURT:· How am I -- how is this Court · · supposed to understand the mental impression · · of the counsel that was representing the town · · in order to determine if this is an exemption · · under the statute? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· The question, as I see it, · · about relevance, is how does the background · · of things that took place over the months · · before he made the redactions explain why he · · made the redactions?· And they're not -- · · they're -- they're going to try to take the · · Court down this thing that they were so · · busy -- that's all it's about -- they were so · · busy that they couldn't do things right. · · · · ·THE COURT:· No.· I think their argument · · is not that they were so busy they couldn't · · do anything right.· I think their argument, · · as I understand it, is it was exempt. Page 70 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No, they're arguing that they incorrectly -- that if they over-redacted or that the things that they redacted were within the scope of the -- of the exemption because of things that are not logically related to explaining why they're within the scope of the exemption.· They're using a contorted reasoning to explain the exemption, the assertion of the exemption. · · ·THE COURT:· Overruled.· Because I don't know any other way this Court is able to determine whether or not the redactions were, in fact, exempt without understanding why the entries were made on the statements in the first place. · · ·Proceed. · · ·THE WITNESS:· All right.· If I may, the first area of inquiry that I delved into was the fact that a number of the cases I reviewed showed they were filed by Martin O'Boyle's son's law firm, which was an out-of-state law firm, and that Jonathan was not a Florida lawyer.· I also noted a number of the cases were filed before that entity -- by the O'Boyle Law Firm before it was even Page 71 · · formed in Florida.· And I moved to disqualify · · the O'Boyle Law Firm from the case, or more · · than one case, I can't remember. · · · · ·And in June, out of the blue, I was · · contacted by a man named Joel Chandler -- · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I think this is beyond the · · scope of the question. · · · · ·THE COURT:· And how is what he's going to · · tell me Joel Chandler told him not hearsay? · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm not going to offer · · hearsay, Your Honor.· I'll avoid that. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· So Mr. Chandler -- · · · · ·THE COURT:· I'm sorry. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· This is becoming a narrative. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Why don't we -- · · exactly.· Sustained. · · · · ·Why don't you wait for a question. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. · · · · ·THE COURT:· And we can go down that road. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I will. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·Mr. Sweetapple, describe for the Court, if you can, what the town's litigation strategy was, leading up to the fall of 2014, from the Page 72 time -- · · A.· ·Based on -- based on information and documents I received from what I would characterize as a whistleblower for a company controlled by Mr. O'Boyle, by the name of CAFI, the town began to investigate, through my office and through other counsel that were retained thereafter, including Mr. Richman of the Richman Greer Firm, the possibilities of a counterclaim that I would bring for bad faith conduct as well as a RICO case that would be brought, based on a pattern of filing public records requests throughout the state of Florida for the purpose of shaking down governments and state contractors to obtain attorneys' fees, rather than having to defend public records cases.· Even so, that was the context of how I was doing my work. · · Q.· ·Let me ask you this:· You indicated that there were dozens of public records lawsuits pending at the town when you first were retained in the spring of 2014.· Was that still the case in November of 2014 when you completed the invoice at issue in this case? · · A.· ·No.· As a result of whatever, I can't speculate, the O'Boyle Law Firm, on behalf of Mr. Page 73 O'Hare and Mr. O'Boyle, almost doubled the number of lawsuits.· I believe there were over 40 lawsuits and then that doesn't include the federal cases that were launched against me and the mayor and the state cases that were launched against me and you and the mayor and whatnot.· But there were probably close to 50 cases.· And I believe about 40 of them, in November, were public records cases.· But I'd need to see the docket to be sure. It was a moving number, obviously. · · Q.· ·Mr. Sweetapple, I've given you a demonstrative copy of the November 2014 invoice at issue.· Do you see that? · · A.· ·I do. · · Q.· ·And do you recognize that as an invoice of your law firm? · · A.· ·Yes, I do. · · Q.· ·Okay.· And can you explain to the Court how the various -- the -- there's a number of columns on the invoice, one of which includes description.· Can you explain to the Court how the information in the column or description gets on the invoice? · · A.· ·Yes.· Now that I am no longer a complete dinosaur, I do not fill out time slips.· My Page 74 daughter, who is my associate, made us get a Rocket Matter program and I type in my time in my iPhone.· So now, they -- then it's edited, because my typing is not very impressive, or my thumbs are too large.· But I'm the originator of any language on the bill that has "RS" to the left of it. · · Q.· ·Do you recall that a request -- a public records request was made for this invoice of your law firm? · · A.· ·I do, because you contacted me to discuss it when that occurred. · · Q.· ·Have -- either before or after the public records request for this invoice, have public records requests been made for other invoices that you prepared for work you had done for the Town of Gulf Stream? · · A.· ·That's my recollection, yes. · · Q.· ·Let's take a look at the items that were redacted.· On the bottom of page 2, do you see the reference to "New Jersey counsel"? · · A.· ·I do. · · Q.· ·Can you explain to the Court how that reference to New Jersey counsel reflected the litigation strategy of the town in November of 2014? Page 75 · · A.· ·Yes.· I became aware that Mr. O'Boyle had engaged in largely the same scheme -- · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection.· Hearsay. · · Predicate. · · · · ·THE COURT:· I -- sustained. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·Did there come a time where, as counsel for the Town of Gulf Stream, you were looking at Mr. O'Boyle's conduct in the state of New Jersey to aid in the defense of the litigation that was being brought against the town? · · A.· ·Yes.· I did that, and in fact, the specific allegations that I learned were thereafter incorporated into counterclaims filed in the state court and were incorporated into a federal racketeering lawsuit for the style in January of 2015. · · Q.· ·And were those counterclaims in that federal racketeering lawsuit imminent to be filed, like, were you working on them in November of 2014? · · A.· ·In 2014, I was investigating facts related to the public records abuses that were occurring and I was communicating everything that I learned to Mr. Richman, who was investigating Page 76 the racketeering lawsuit and representing -- and he represented the town on the racketeering lawsuit. · · Q.· ·If you could turn to the top of page 3. Do you see the highlighted reference to "settlement offer"? · · A.· ·Yes, I do. · · Q.· ·What was the settlement offer to which this entry refers? · · A.· ·Well, that entry, as you can see, shows that I was talking -- · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Your Honor, I just want to · · renew my objection.· This is exactly what · · they refused to answer in the interrogatories · · and admitted in the admissions.· It's just · · wrong for the town to -- · · · · ·THE COURT:· Point the Court to the · · interrogatory you're referring to. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Interrogatory answer number · · 10.· Admissions, I'm sorry.· Request for · · admissions number 10.· Request for admissions · · says, -- · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Go ahead. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- "Admit that the 11/12/14 · · entry on Exhibit B," which redacted the term Page 77 settlement offer, "referred to a settlement offer extended to Marty O'Boyle."· Instead of saying, no, it did not, which seems to be the answer we're hearing now, it was something else.· The answer was, "Objection.· The town objects to this request on the grounds" -- and so forth.· Same grounds that I read to Your Honor before.· It's a standard paragraph that appears in response to many, many of the interrogatory answers and requests for admission on these exact same questions. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Ms. O'Connor, what's your response to that? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· My response is that in the interrogatory answers that were filed a day or two later, to the extent the town asserted a privilege objection, it was waived because we answered and provided them the responsive information. · · ·If I could have just a moment... · · ·THE COURT:· In the interrogatories? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Correct. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Which one, may I ask? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I'm looking. Interrogatory answer number 25, answer:· "The Page 78 settlement offer referenced in the 11/12/2014 billing entry likely referred to a settlement offer to Christopher O'Hare regarding public records litigation." · · ·THE COURT:· Mr. Rivas? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I don't see them withdraw -- that doesn't withdraw the answer to the objections that are posed to the request for admissions in it.· It says, "likely referred," as if I couldn't rely on that because I can't even know whether that's really what it referred to.· And now, they know what it refers to instead of, like in the interrogatory, saying that -- it's suggesting that they didn't know for sure what it referred to.· But this request for admissions is primarily what I stand on in the estoppel argument. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· And what is your argument to stating "likely referred to a settlement offer"? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I think that's an issue of credibility that he can ask Mr. Sweetapple on cross-examination. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· I will over -- I'm Page 79 · · sorry -- overrule the objection -- my · · apologies -- and ask you to continue.· And · · you're going to have ample opportunity to · · cross examine. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Thank you, Your Honor. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· What's the pending · · question?· I'm sorry. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·What is the settlement offer to which this entry refers, as you recall? · · A.· ·I can tell you, unequivocally, I don't have any doubt as to who it was extended to, because there's only one person at this time I was trying to get to settle with the town, and that was Mr. O'Hare.· And the reason I was concerned about my litigation strategy here is, in this specific reference, where I'm talking about the RICO case, there's a mention of the settlement offer.· I was negotiating with an attorney by the name of Mark Hanna for the purpose of getting Mr. Christopher O'Hare, who was represented by Jonathan O'Boyle and his law firm, to flip and to testify against Martin O'Boyle in the RICO case. And I was -- I had already had a private settlement conference with Mr. Hanna at my office Page 80 with a signed confidentiality agreement.· And I was instructed by the town to accelerate those efforts prior to the filing of the case. · · · · ·So I had gotten authority to negotiate and make a settlement offer to Mr. O'Hare in hopes that he would settle certain of the Hanna cases and then get paid his fees with regards to those cases, but also testify with regard to the use of runners and the splitting of attorneys' fees for plaintiffs and other bad acts, including a windfall profit scheme where more than the fees that were incurred were being charged to governments. · · · · ·And unfortunately, I was unable to obtain that cooperation, however, since that time, Mr. O'Hare has dismissed all of his cases against the town based on the settlement that occurred after a bad faith final judgment entered by the Honorable Thomas Barkdull against him. · · Q.· ·Mr. Sweetapple, let's look at the final redaction, November 19th, 2014.· Do you see the highlighting, "additional cases Mayor Morgan has asked R. Sweetapple to appear in"?· You had indicated that at the onset of your representation of the town, you had formally appeared in only Page 81 select cases; is that right? · · A.· ·That's correct. · · Q.· ·Okay.· To what does this entry about appearing in additional cases refer? · · A.· ·That I was asked to appear in all cases, and also, the strategy was to take all the information that I had learned and to prepare from the defenses and counterclaims in certain cases setting forth the bad faith conduct of the plaintiffs as the defense. · · · · ·And if you look, you'll see that, in fact, over the month of December of '14, including the Christmas holidays, I worked with my associate and prepared an extensive counterclaim involving bad faith and also declaratory judgment with regard to the alleged not-for-profit entity controlled by the O'Boyles, known as CAFI, and filed those in January of 2015.· And obviously, I did not want -- I did not want the opponents who were looking at these bills to know that I was going to be appearing on all of the cases and that I was preparing other pleadings. · · · · ·There were also discussions at that time about the likelihood that the RICO case would be filed.· So basically, this redaction, like the Page 82 others, would have let the opposition know what I was in the midst of doing and what I was thinking and what I was planning on doing. · · Q.· ·You indicated that in this time, November 2014, there were about more than 40 lawsuits pending against the town; is that right? · · A.· ·Yes. · · Q.· ·But you had only appeared in a select number of cases.· Who was representing the town in all those others cases? · · A.· ·Your firm represented the town in all of the cases and I became co-counsel.· Your firm is the town attorney, as well.· And I believe Mr. Hochman's firm, at some point, was representing the town on many of those cases and ultimately came into some of the public records cases. Because of the abundance of the cases, it's been impossible for any one firm to handle all the litigation. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Objection.· Move to strike. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Sustained. BY MS. O'CONNOR: · · Q.· ·Did the mayor asking you to appear in additional cases at this time, in November 2014, reflect a change in the town's litigation Page 83 strategy? · · A.· ·Yes, it did. · · · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· One moment, Your Honor. · · No more questions. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Mr. Rivas, any cross? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Could we ask the Court to · · take a break? · · · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· How much time do you · · need? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Just five minutes. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· Yeah.· Absolutely. · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· May save some time. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Yes.· No worries.· Sure.· Why · · don't we take a five-minute recess and I'll · · go back, too.· Okay? · · · · ·(Brief recess.) · · · · ·THE COURT:· Mr. Rivas, cross? · · · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We have no questions for this · · witness, Your Honor. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· You're free to step · · down. · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. · · · · ·THE COURT:· Sure.· Do you wish the Court · · to release the witness or do we want to keep · · him around?· I don't know if you have Page 84 someplace else to be. · · ·THE WITNESS:· If I could head back to the office, that would be great. · · ·THE COURT:· It's up to counsels. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We have no objection. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· That's fine. · · ·THE COURT:· Do you have any other witnesses? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· No, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· None.· Okay. · · ·Mr. Rivas, do you have a closing? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes, Your Honor. · · ·In the trial brief, when we referred to the burden being on the town to justify exemptions, in context, that was before the argument -- the subsection before the argument began about these particular redactions.· It was talking, generally, about the government and the Sunshine Law, the Public Records Law.· The Public Records Law always puts the burden on the defendant.· And that's all I was saying in that context.· We submit that the redactions should be examined by the Court and considered by the Court in context and the answer to the question about Page 85 whether they revealed -- whether they reflect litigation strategy is these redactions don't reflect anything that actually tells any litigation strategy. · · ·The exemption does not say that a town may redact any information that makes reference to something that the other side might figure out is a litigation strategy or might -- it's got to reflect the litigation strategy in order to be exempt. · · ·I need to back up.· Because our first position is that under the statute, the document has to be prepared exclusively for litigation strategy.· And this document was prepared as an invoice.· Many, many lawyers, and I think some in this room, know when they work for a municipal government that their invoices are subject to examination as public records and so they carefully don't put anything in there that's useful because of the arguments that will arise from it and they produce invoices entirely without redactions if they're accustomed to working for government agencies. · · ·We submit that the proper interpretation Page 86 of the law is that because an invoice is not prepared exclusively for the litigation strategy, but is to the contrary, prepared primarily to send an invoice to the town, which every lawyer sending the invoice to the town knows there's a question of whether it's going to be fully disclosed or whether he'll have an opportunity to redact it, a prudent lawyer doesn't put attorney/client privileged information, useful attorney/client privileged information in there. · · ·And the only cases -- there's only two sources of authority that I know of for the invoices of a lawyer, who works for an agency, to be held for this exemption to apply to references so that references can be redacted.· One of them -- one source of authority is an attorney general's opinion that said that -- which I'm just urging the Court to hold that the attorney general's office is wrong.· Because it's interpreting the statute incorrectly.· It's just an attorney general's opinion. · · ·The second case is from a circuit court judge in Tallahassee, the very well-respected Page 87 Terry Lewis, who mentioned it in dicta.· I'm going to give Your Honor a copy of the case that the -- that the town sent you last week in the town's large package of cases and trial memorandum. · · ·THE COURT:· Uh-huh. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It's called Barbara Herskovitz versus Leon County. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· This is the other authority with the idea that an agency of Florida can redact bills.· It doesn't directly address how it can redact bills if the bills are not exclusively prepared for litigation strategy. But nonetheless, it says on page 4, subpart 9(b), the last paragraph, "Attorney/client/work product:· The attorney/client or work product exemption has been properly raised for the most part.· Each of the separate files contain a significant amount of correspondence by attorneys, which invariably discusses a legal theory, a mental impression or strategy concerning a case." And it's referring to things besides bills at this point.· It says, "There are also Page 88 handwritten and typed notes of attorneys concerning mental impressions of various aspects of the case.· Although portions of correspondence may contain material that would not fall within this exemption, it is difficult and impractical to produce the correspondence with the exempt portions redacted as the same as integral to the entire matter." · · ·And I've read that paragraph, although it doesn't refer to attorney invoices, because the next paragraph refers back to that.· It says, "The same cannot be said for legal bills.· Although some portion of the statements for services rendered arguably suggest strategy, mental impressions, et cetera, the overwhelming majority of the specific entries on the bills do not. · · ·"Strictly for illustrative purposes, I note that the 10/29/96 statement regarding WB was six pages long.· Of the 15 entries on page 1, four might be considered as falling within the exemption.· On page 2, of 25 entries, three might be valid.· On page 3, of 24 entries, none would be considered valid. Page 89 On page 4, of 22 entries, only two would be considered valid.· On page 5, of 25 entries, none were valid.· And on page 6, of five entries, none were valid. · · ·"Obviously, an entry on a statement, which identifies a specific litigation strategy to be considered or puts a specific amount of settlement authority received from the client would fall within the exemption." · · ·Now, that statement of what he considers to be obvious would be units accepted by the attorney general and the one we asked the Court to hold as not correct. · · ·On the other hand, a notation that the file was opened or that a letter was sent to opposing counsel would not.· And I think under that general discussion, you'd find that all these exemptions are not exempt. But you skip down and notice that even where he referred to, "some might be," skip down to the ordered and adjudged paragraph, the decreedal [sic] clause on page 6, it says, "The county shall produce for examination by a plaintiff within ten days of this order," other things, but then it says, "all legal Page 90 bills or statements for legal services rendered contained in those files produced to me for review."· He sustained the objection as to zero entries on the invoices.· So the reference to whether it's obvious that invoices could be the subject of a redaction under the exemption is really that he found that even if they could be, none of these were valid exemption -- validly redactable under the statute. · · ·Then we look to the redactions on these invoices.· "RS conference with NJ counsel. RS on 11/10/14."· "RS," that would be Robert Sweetapple.· "Conference with NJ counsel." NJ counsel is redacted.· Email.· I mean, on its face, this does not reveal any -- I shouldn't use the word reveal.· The statute uses the word reflect.· This -- these two words do not reflect any litigation strategy. The statute would have to be rather than a narrow interpretation, a broad interpretation would have to be applied in which the Court would have to say, well, if counsel can suggest a reason why the use of two particular words might disclose something to Page 91 this particular requester that the town didn't want him to know, then we'll sustain the redaction.· That's what you have to -- that's how you have to interpret it.· These words don't reflect any strategy, any -- anything that's within the exemption.· If you look at the one on the entry on 11/20, -- · · ·THE COURT:· 11/12? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I'm skipping down. · · ·THE COURT:· 11/19? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No.· I'm sorry. · · ·Okay.· Skip down to 11/12 and there's the one that refers to regarding settlement offer and strategy on RICO suit.· It has been depicted to you, in Mr. Sweetapple's testimony, that the RICO suit itself, which had not been filed at this time, it was -- it was filed in March -- that's not in evidence -- but it was filed in March of 2015, after this redaction took place.· And he has suggested to you in his testimony that the reason this needed to be redacted is because of the disclosure of the very fact of the RICO suit.· That's not true.· The fact of the RICO suit is referred to a number of Page 92 times in the invoice, other times.· And then it says, "and strategy on RICO suit."· It just refers to "settlement offer" without even making clear whether the town had received the settlement offer.· It just says, "regarding settlement offer."· Whether the town had received a settlement offer, whether the town was considering the making of a settlement offer, what case it was in.· Well, it does make clear that it's the RICO suit, but the only words that are redacted are "settlement offer."· Those words don't disclose a litigation strategy. · · ·If you look at the way that Judge Lewis interprets the statute, he would say that's no more revealing than saying TC with opposing counsel; telephone -- we use that shorthand in my firm -- telephone conference with opposing counsel.· The existence of a settlement offer, it has not been established that the very -- by his testimony -- anywhere that the very existence of a settlement offer in this context would have revealed any litigation strategy.· If you look at the entry on 12/13, the next entry after the Page 93 redaction, -- · · ·THE COURT:· 11/13? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I'm sorry, 11/13 -- it says, "RS meet with law clerk regarding settlement proposal and strategy."· That's not redacted. My point is that if you think of these as analogous to the attorney/client privilege, it was waived.· The exemption itself was waived with reference to the settlement proposal.· It appears elsewhere in here without being redacted. · · ·"Initial review of NJ transcript and witness conference, revise motion."· When it says, "initial review of NJ transcript," it's clear that RS is investigating looking into something about something in NJ.· So elsewhere, when he redacts NJ counsel on 11/10/14, he says, "RS conference with NJ counsel," that doesn't reveal anything except something that's plain on the face of the invoice and the unredacted passages. · · ·Again, I submit, it doesn't reveal -- doesn't reflect a strategy, but in any event, it -- to the extent it reflects that he's investigating something in New Jersey, he's Page 94 referred to it elsewhere. · · ·Then on 11/19/14, "RS receipt and review of emails.· Conference with Joanne O'Connor and Law Clerk Reed" [phonetic], and the following words are redacted:· "Additional cases Mayor Morgan has asked R. Sweetapple to appear in."· And then, "and strategy" are left in.· So the idea here, it's been testified to, that Mayor Morgan has asked R. Sweetapple to appear in other cases is said to be a litigation strategy.· In a government agency, that's not a litigation strategy. And it proves it in the entry on 11/18/2014, if you look just above the one that's redacted there, it says, "Prepare, travel and attend hearing, meeting with Joanne O'Connor, conference with Scott Morgan, meet David Vitale regarding R. Sweetapple attendance on" -- there's something wrong here -- "all letter O'Boyle and O'Hare matters." · · ·THE COURT:· You're referring to 11/18, the first 11/18? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Right.· If you look at the one on -- right, Your Honor.· If you -- you found the one I was looking for.· If you look Page 95 at the top one, 11/18, it says, "Work on lawsuits, review pending cases to appear." So settlement discussion -- just above that, "Conference w/Jerry Richman, re:· Berger settlement conference."· There's a reference -- excuse me, I'm having trouble finding -- I thought there was a reference to the fact that the city had approved on a date in March -- · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· In the interrogatories. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· That's what it is. · · ·If you look at the interrogatory answers -- yeah.· In response to interrogatory number 24, after making the same objections -- and I renew my -- I urge the Court to strike the testimony about all the things that were the subject of these objections, but in response to the question about the reference to appearing in other cases, it says, on the page after the first page, at the top of the page, before paragraph -- question 25 begins, it says, "Subject to and without waiving its objections, the town responds that the town commission, on or about April 2014, had Page 96 authorized Attorney Sweetapple to make appearances in all public records cases and to set his rate of compensation for this matter."· That's not confidential.· It was disclosed, the fact that he said that -- his testimony was that he was going to -- he was authorized to appear in all of them, had appeared in some of them, but it was supposed to be unknown that he was going to appear in all of them.· The only distinction he made was that it was not known and thus it was a confidential litigation strategy that he was going to appear in all of them.· And this discloses that, in fact, the town put it on the public record, in April 2014, that he was going to appear in all of them. · · ·I submit that we look at these redactions, paragraph -- question 20 of the interrogatories:· "What were the additional cases in the 11/19/14 redaction that Mayor Morgan asked Robert Sweetapple or his firm to appear in?"· And it refers to the billing invoices.· Answer:· "Certain additional public records cases pending against the town in which Robert Sweetapple had not previously Page 97 appeared, as authorized, in the March 28th, 2014 special meeting of the town commission." It had been authorized publicly as far back as March 28th, 2014 that he was going to appear in all the public records cases. · · ·These redactions are as near to random as redactions can be.· The town has tried, and I resisted the urge to try to counter these statements and implications that there's something -- that the reason for this lawsuit is something suspicious about the O'Boyles' conduct regarding multiple lawsuits and public records requests. · · ·The argument has been made that the Court should consider that the town was subject to multiple lawsuits and public records requests.· There's nothing in any of the evidence that was put on to suggest that the other lawsuits somehow caused the town to be unable to properly respond or to break down or to be too busy to properly respond, and that's the implication that they're making. They've asked the Court to take some kind of sympathy when, in fact, the only evidence shows that Mr. Sweetapple sat at his office, Page 98 wielded a magic marker and made some utterly random, absurd redactions as being exempt under the statute.· Redactions that are not even consistent with the other things that he didn't redact if they were legitimate litigation strategy matters. · · ·And the town is asking you in the argument to put a gloss on the statute that as if there's some kind of an agency -- some kind of an exemption that says if an agency doesn't appreciate its opposing counsel seeing its bills, then it's okay to over-redact the bills in the Public Records Law should -- instead of being enforced broadly and exemptions being held narrowly, the Public Records Law should be read the other way around, because opposing counsel is trying to find out information. · · ·Your Honor, opposing counsel finds out information about agency litigation strategies every day in Florida.· Agencies in litigation in Florida have standing public records requests to send to all their -- to their opposing counsel, all of their -- their invoices.· They all have to follow the same Page 99 law.· If after a generation of this law being in place the way it is, the legislature had felt that that was something that was really bad and that could justify some kind of change in the law, it would have been done. And it's never been done. · · ·They're looking for a judicial approach here that there's a law that says usually the law favors openness, but if opposing counsel seeks attorney invoices, then the law doesn't favor openness anymore.· The exemptions should be read broadly to give downright implausible interpretations to the meaning of litigation strategy, and also to ignore the fact that the statute says the -- the statute says that in order to be exempt, the redacted material has to reflect a litigation strategy.· That's an important word because it has to show -- it has to -- we provided in the trial brief -- you know, I don't think we've ever given Your Honor a courtesy copy of our trial brief.· May I give it to you now? · · ·THE COURT:· Yes. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It was just filed yesterday. Page 100 · · ·THE COURT:· It's not on the docket, so I couldn't look for it. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Here it is.· Dictionary definition of "reflect," and it is to say -- to, you know, to show something, not just to hint at it or to provide a clue that somebody might interpret correctly to make them guess a litigation strategy.· It says in the law, in 119.071, subparagraph (1) -- I always say that so slowly because there's a 119.07, subparagraph (1), and there's a separate 119.071, subparagraph (1).· But in the one that's 071, subparagraph (1), in subsection 2 there, at that bottom of that page we made, Your Honor, it says in the second paragraph, when asserting your right to withhold a public record, pursuant to this paragraph, the agency shall identify the potential parties to any such criminal or civil litigation or adversarial or administrative proceedings. · · ·That takes us back to Joint Exhibit 3. When the town responded to the public records request, it says in the response, which properly attempted to set forth the answer to Page 101 the question about who was involved in the imminent or existing litigation -- · · ·THE COURT:· Is that -- you're talking about the interrogatories or the answers? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Exhibit 3, the town's written response to -- · · ·THE COURT:· Got it. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- the public records request. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· It says, "The redaction," referring to what the settlement offer was, it says, "The redaction relates, depending on reasonably anticipated litigation, imminent litigation involving the town, William Thrasher, Garrett Moore, Scott Morgan and Robert Sweetapple."· This is in the response to the thing that attaches the redacted document.· That -- they can't seriously suggest that anything about this is confidential when it's in their cover letter and then redact a reference to the settlement offer. · · ·"And Martin O'Boyle and entities controlled or affiliated by him are Scott Page 102 Morgan and Robert Sweetapple on the one hand and Martin O'Boyle and entities controlled or affiliated with him, including, but not limited to" -- and it names a bunch of companies.· It also names Christopher O'Hare. · · ·And then, in response to AEI's interrogatory, question 25 of AEI's interrogatory, it says, "What was the settlement offer that was referred to in the 11/12/2014 redacted bills attached hereto as Exhibit A?"· And the answer is, "The settlement offer referenced in the 11/12/2014 billing entry likely refers to a settlement offer to Christopher O'Hare regarding public records litigation."· So they've given you now two different explanations of what the settlement offer was. · · ·Mr. Sweetapple attempted to tie them together by saying he was actually negotiating with O'Hare for him to flip and all that.· But that makes one or the other of these wrong.· And it suggests that the Court ought to not give any credibility to the town's testimony regarding the exemption that referred to the settlement offer. Page 103 · · ·In sum, Your Honor, whether you look at those exemptions objectively or consider the additional evidence that exemptions that are -- the redactions are still the redactions.· None of the testimony has changed the fact that the redactions do not reflect the litigation strategy.· The redactions do not reflect the litigation strategy if the understanding of the meaning of the exemptions is construed narrowly in favor of public disclosure, as they should be.· And for that reason, we urge the Court to hold that the redactions were made improperly.· And that's the standard.· The statute says if the redactions were improper, under the terms of the statute, then the Court should find against the town. · · ·We urge the Court to hold that the redactions were made improperly within the meaning of that term as it's used in Chapter 119, the Public Records Law, regarding this particular exemption. · · ·Thank you, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Thank you. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Any questions? Page 104 · · ·THE COURT:· No, not at all.· You've walked me through it very clearly.· Thank you. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Thank you. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Thank you, Your Honor and thanks for your attention to the time you've given us this afternoon. · · ·Mr. Rivas' argument seems to be that since the town was, frankly, so diligent in redacting this invoice such that it only redacted 15 words out of a 45-entry invoice at a time when there were 40 or so pending lawsuits swirling around in which Mr. Sweetapple was involved with, that we somehow -- somehow the words that we did redact can't reflect litigation strategy. Apparently he thinks we should have redacted more because then it would have reflected litigation strategy. · · ·That, combined with his arguments that every municipal lawyer knows that you shouldn't put anything useful in a bill, that that's somehow prudent, we disagree.· Our clients are entitled to know what we're Page 105 billing them for and the time spent.· And frankly, there is no such thing as a standing public records request.· I have never heard of opposing counsel making requests like those that have happened here where you're in the middle of heated litigation and dozens of lawsuits and you're getting repeated public records request for your invoices.· And again, transparent effort to find out what your work product and what your litigation strategy is. · · ·Responding to their first point that somehow an attorney invoice is not something prepared exclusively for litigation: Mr. Sweetapple testified he only does litigation.· The evidence before this Court is that he only represented the town in litigation matters; litigation matters which were pending at the time of this invoice and litigation matters such as the counterclaim, the federal RICO suit that he referenced that were imminent at the time of this lawsuit. · · ·Mr. Rivas would encourage this Court not to follow the attorney general opinion, there's no basis for not doing that.· Not Page 106 only did the attorney general, as the Sunshine Manual excerpt we've given you indicates, both in 2000 and earlier in 1985, the attorney general expressly recognized the bill and invoices of outside attorneys may contain exempt work product and that if that exempt work product contained mental impressions, conclusions, litigation strategy, or legal theories, that material may be deleted and the remainder disclosed. · · ·Even in the Herskovitz case that is referenced in the Sunshine Manual for the proposition that, "Obviously, an entry on a billing statement which identifies a specific legal strategy to be considered or for the specific amount of settlement authority received from the client would fall within the exemption.· Mr. Rivas already said this was in dicta, but then somehow tries to convince the Court that the Herskovitz court sustained an objection to a work product exemption.· That is not the case. · · ·If you look at page 6, page 6 of that order, the court actually asked for counsel to submit the bills to him for review.· He Page 107 did not sustain the objection.· And earlier, on page 5, in the first full paragraph, "The court expressly recognizes some portion of the statements for services rendered arguably suggest strategy, mental impressions, et cetera, the overwhelming majority on this particular bill did not."· And actually, if you look at this, he's talking about a six-page invoice with 15 entries, four might be considered as falling within the exemption. · · ·We have a multiple-page invoice with 45 entries and we're talking about three that were partially redacted.· Certain select words that reflect that when tied together with the rest of the those words would have reflected the litigation strategy. · · ·And again, the last paragraph on page 5 of the Herskovitz opinion, before Section C, "Obviously, an entry on the statement which identifies the specific legal strategy to be considered, et cetera, would fall within the exemption."· And that's what the Sunshine Manual, that's used as a guide to municipal lawyers around the state, quotes Herskovitz Page 108 for the proposition asserted.· So that's a red herring. · · ·We'd submit that an attorney invoice and Mr. Sweetapple's contemporaneous time entries while he's working on pending litigation and imminent litigation for the town somehow was not prepared exclusively for litigation. · · ·In terms of whether these -- the extent to which these entries reflect litigation strategy, Mr. Rivas has emphasized "reflect" several times.· I submit that that reflecting litigation strategy is exactly what these entries do.· Beginning with the first entry, regarding New Jersey counsel, I think Mr. Rivas indicated to you that it would have been clear to his client who New Jersey counsel was if it had not been redacted. · · ·As to the entry regarding the settlement offer, Mr. Sweetapple did not say that the reference to the settlement offer was redacted because it would somehow disclose the RICO suit.· You can look at the invoice and see we didn't hide the fact that we were considering a RICO suit.· The reason Mr. Sweetapple explained why this particular Page 109 reference to settlement offer on the November 12 entry was redacted is because it's in the context of a discussion about strategy on the RICO suit.· And so disclosure of the fact that you're considering a settlement offer relative to the RICO suit discloses your litigation strategy. · · ·Mr. Rivas suggested that somehow the response to the interrogatory that this entry likely reflected a settlement offer to Christopher O'Hare on the public records suit somehow conflicts with Mr. Sweetapple's testimony.· That is not true.· He only -- Mr. Sweetapple testified the only leverage the town had at the time to get Mr. O'Hare to flip was a settlement offer to be made, relative to his pending public records suits. Those were the only suits that were pending. So the idea is we're going to consider continuing to try to make a settlement offer to Mr. O'Hare so that he might, on his public records suits, say, let's resolve these public records suits.· You kind of join forces with us and we can, you know, enlist you to testify against Mr. O'Boyle. Page 110 · · ·So the final -- the final entry relates to additional cases Mayor Morgan has asked R. Sweetapple to appear in.· And Mr. Rivas tried to suggest that there was somehow a waiver because there were references in the November 18 entries to the fact that the town had authorized Mr. Sweetapple to appear in all public records cases.· And that's important. · · ·We don't dispute -- our interrogatories say, Mr. Sweetapple says, yes, back in the spring of 2014, the town council authorized him to appear in all public records cases. They did not, as Mr. Rivas suggested to this Court, direct him to go ahead and appear in all those cases.· And he testified, he explained the strategy was that he would begin by appearing in select cases as he developed more information regarding the cases, there was a change in strategy in November 2014, and it's reflected specifically by the November 19th entry. · · ·And if you kind of follow them down, you can see, sure, he's looking at cases that he had been authorized to appear in, but what's different about the entry on the 19th is that Page 111 here, you have Mayor Morgan asking Attorney Sweetapple to appear in additional cases. Affirmatively, it reflects to the town's opponent at the time that there's a shift in strategy, the town is going to become more aggressive, Mr. Sweetapple will be appearing in more cases on the town's behalf.· And he testified that that's litigation strategy and there was no testimony to rebut that. · · ·I'd also submit that this waiver you'll see in their trial brief, I'll submit, is also a red herring.· If they thought it was such a strong argument, you'd find it in their trial brief.· It's not.· It also was not asserted as a reply to our affirmative defense. · · ·Finally, plaintiff takes issue with the evidence that we presented about the overwhelming number of public records lawsuits that we were facing at the town at the time.· And again, suggests, and I think Your Honor kind of understood at least what our position is, but plaintiff seems to be suggesting, well, it doesn't really matter that there were so many public records Page 112 lawsuits swirling about because this isn't about, you know, delay or that they didn't answer it timely.· But the real implication, from our perspective, is that there was a shift in the town's litigation strategy that's reflected in the selected words that we redacted from this invoice:· Number one, the idea that a settlement offer would be made to Mr. O'Hare, relative to the imminently-to-be-filed RICO suit, imminent litigation at the time.· Number two, that the town was reaching out to New Jersey counsel to explore information that that informant, consultant, might have on the town's opponent, Mr. O'Boyle, in this litigation. In third and finally, the shift in litigation strategy of the town whereby Mr. Sweetapple is going to become more active and involved in more cases, which came to pass, as he indicated. · · ·And with that, we'd ask, again, that in light of the significant amount of litigation pending against the town at the time, the fact that this November 2014 invoice had 45 entries, only 15 -- or only 45 entries, only Page 113 three of which had even a partial redaction, comprised of 15 words, the evidence before you is that they reflected litigation strategy and they were properly withheld as exempt. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· May I? · · ·THE COURT:· Sure. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Just very briefly, Your Honor, in reply. · · ·If you can't look at the redaction -- · · ·THE COURT:· Really quick.· Do you have an objection to -- I mean, what -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Oh, yeah. · · ·THE COURT:· -- why -- are we going to have three, four, five closings? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· I've always -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· We would object.· We would object, Your Honor. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- I've always understood that all oral argument normally goes: Appellant, plaintiff, whoever's first, answer -- · · ·THE COURT:· So then do we have defense counsel come up with a reply to your reply and then -- Page 114 · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No, Your Honor.· It's just that's the routine that I've experienced -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· -- accustomed to is that there is an argument, and an answer, and then a brief reply.· Period. · · ·THE COURT:· And then will defense counsel have an opportunity to briefly reply? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· No. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Your Honor, -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Because that's not in the scheme.· There's normally a reply by the plaintiff. · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· We'd object.· I don't think there normally is a reply to a closing, but I'd also point out that they've conceded that it's our burden on this redaction issue. And frankly, we probably should have gone first in terms of closing as the party that has the burden of proof on this issue. · · ·THE COURT:· I don't agree that you have a right to reply on closing.· I do think you had your closing first and it's not -- there's no sandwiching going on here.· It's a civil matter here, so I agree with defense Page 115 counsel on that. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· May I give Your Honor a proposed order? · · ·THE COURT:· Sure. · · ·MR. RIVAS:· And unless you were going to ask us to prepare more detailed proposals and submit them, which we'd be happy to do. · · ·THE COURT:· Do you have a proposed order, -- · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· I do not, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· -- by any chance? · · ·I would like something that's more -- based on -- from what my position is, I think it's pretty clear-cut, the arguments that have been made here today, as far as Mr. Rivas' position that strictly is at the time the town responds with redactions at the time they violated.· Period, end of story. That's the position that I understand.· Is that correct? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Yes, Your Honor. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· And then alternatively, defense's argument states that it's their burden to prove that it rises to the level of exemption and it rises to the Page 116 level of a reflection or mental impression of a legal strategy.· Correct? · · ·MS. O'CONNOR:· Correct. · · ·THE COURT:· What I'd like to do, if you would, is based on what you've provided to the Court as your positions and your argument is something a bit more, you know, with maybe the case law supporting it, et cetera.· I'll give you plenty of time.· Is ten days enough? · · ·MR. RIVAS:· We'd want to order the transcript first. · · ·THE COURT:· In order to prepare -- you gave me an order that was not -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Detailed. · · ·THE COURT:· So you want to order the transcript before you prepare an -- · · ·MR. RIVAS:· May I ask the court reporter how long will it take to get a transcript? · · ·(Discussion held off the record.) · · ·MR. RIVAS:· Ten days is fine, then. · · ·THE COURT:· Okay.· Well, today is only Wednesday, so that doesn't give you much time.· I'll give you 15 days. · · ·And please provide it to both sides so this way we can have the benefit to both Page 117 sides of the transcript.· And I would like competing orders.· They don't have to be voluminous, just in order to provide the Court with the authority to rule as you are requesting.· Okay?· Thank you very much for your professionalism and the arguments and -- they were excellent.· And I apologize -- we're off the record. · · ·(Proceedings concluded at 4:04 p.m.) Page 118 THE STATE OF FLORIDA ) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH ) · · · · ·I, TRUDY MCCLELLAN, F.P.R., do hereby certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically report the foregoing proceedings and that such transcription, Pages 1 through ^ herein is a true and accurate record of my stenographic notes. · · · · ·I further certify that I am not a relative, employee, attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor a relative or employee of such attorney or counsel, nor financially interested, directly or indirectly, in this action. · · · · ·Dated this 1st day of December, 2017. · · · · · · · · · · ______________________________ · · · · · · · · · · TRUDY MCCLELLAN, F.P.R.