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C I T Y O F T E M P L E C I T Y
P L A N N I N G C O M M I S S I O N
A P R I L 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
I N I T I A T I O N :
1 . C A L L T O O R D E R
P u r s u a n t t o t h e A g e n d a p o s t e d A p r i l 2 0 , 1 9 9 0 , C h a i r m a n M u t o
c a l l e d t h e m e e t i n g t o o r d e r a t 7 : 3 0 p . m . i n t h e C o u n c i l
C h a m b e r s .
2 . P L E D G E O F A L L E G I A N C E T O T H E F L A G
C h a i r m a n M u t o l e d t h e P l e d g e o f A l l e g i a n c e t o t h e F l a g .
3 . R O L L C A L L :
P r e s e n t : C o m m i s s i o n e r s B u d d s , F l o y d , G r i f f i t h s , S e i b e r t
a n d C h a i r m a n M u t o
A l s o P r e s e n t : C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n , C o m m u n i t y D e v e l o p m e n t
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n a n d A s s o c i a t e P l a n n e r K a t e s
A b s e n t : C i t y M a n a g e r K o s k i
4 . C O N S E N T C A L E N D A R :
A . A P P R O V A L O F M I N U T E S - M e e t i n g o f M a r c h 2 7 , 1 9 9 0
B . S I G N 9 0 - 7
S i t e : 9 4 7 0 L A S T U N A S D R I V E
A p p l i c a n t : R A L P H S / T H R I F T Y
C . S I G N 9 0 - 9
S i t e : 9 6 6 6 L A S T U N A S D R I V E
A p p l i c a n t : V E E K E E ' S B R I D A L
D . M O N T H L Y C O D E E N F O R C E M E N T R E P O R T - M a r c h 1 9 9 0
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s r e q u e s t e d t h a t I t e m C b e r e m o v e d f r o m
t h e C o n s e n t C a l e n d a r . C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s m o v e d t o
a p p r o v e t h e C o n s e n t C a l e n d a r , e x c e p t I t e m C , s e c o n d e d b y
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a n d a p p r o v e d u n a n i m o u s l y .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 2
April 24, 1990
Commissioner Budds stated that this particular item
involves an existing non - conforming sign and he wanted
to know why the City would allow them to continue the
non - conformancy.
Director Dawson stated that a state law prohibits the
abatement of a non - conforming sign until after 15 years
from the date that the regulation became effective which
was in 1983.
Commissioner Budds asked if there was a change of owner-
ship could the new owner be required to comply.
Director Dawson stated that it would not matter if there
was a change of ownership.
Commissioner Seibert asked if a CUP was required.
Director Dawson stated that there was not, but if it had
required a CUP, the Commission could impose some re-
strictions for the sign.
City Attorney Martin suggested that the sign be approved
with the condition that once the 15 -year period had
passed the sign should be brought into conformance.
Commissioner Budds moved to approve the sign request
with a condition that it be brought into conformance
once the 15 -year period had passed, seconded by Commis-
sioner Seibert and unanimously approved.
5. UNFINISHED BUSINESS:
A. PUBLIC HEARING
MODIFICATION OF CONDITIONAL
USE PERMIT 71 -342
ZONE VARIANCE 90 -1036
Site: 5313 SANTA ANITA AVENUE
Owner: UMA CHANDER
26225 HIGH TOR DRIVE
HACIENDA HEIGHTS, CA 91745
Representative: LISA DONNELL
21003 E. BROOKLINE DRIVE
WALNUT, CA 91780
Architect: DAVE BRANSON
9189 JAYLEE DRIVE
TEMPLE CITY, CA 91780
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 3
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
R e q u e s t :
T o a l l o w t h e e x p a n s i o n o f a n
e x i s t i n g p r e - s c h o o l f r o m a n
e n r o l l m e n t o f 2 4 p u p i l s t o 5 6
p u p i l s , t o a l l o w i n c r e a s e d
h o u r s o f o p e r a t i o n a n d t o .
a l l o w a p a r k i n g d e s i g n w h i c h
n e c e s s i t a t e s t h e b a c k w a r d
m o t i o n o f v e h i c l e s r a t h e r t h a n
t h e f o r w a r d m o t i o n o f v e h i c l e s
a s r e q u i r e d b y t h e Z o n i n g C o d e
f o r s u c h p a r k i n g a r e a s w i t h i n
t h e L i g h t M u l t i p l e ( R - 2 )
z o n e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o i n c o r p o r a t e t h e l e t t e r s
f r o m t h e v a r i o u s p a r e n t s w h o s e c h i l d r e n a t t e n d t h e
s u b j e c t p r e - s c h o o l i n t o t h e m i n u t e s s o t h a t t h e y w o u l d
n o t h a v e t o b e r e - r e a d a t t h e m e e t i n g , s e c o n d e d b y C o m -
m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g w a s
r e - n o t i c e d a n d c o n t i n u e d w i t h t h e p r e s e n t a t i o n o f t h e
b a c k g r o u n d i n f o r m a t i o n . H e f u r t h e r s t a t e d t h a t t h e
a p p l i c a n t w o u l d b e w i l l i n g t o a c c e p t a l e s s e r n u m b e r o f
p u p i l s . , 4 8 t o 5 0 , a n d a l s o a c c e p t a p p r o v a l f o r a l i m -
i t e d p e r i o d o f t i m e w i t h r e v i e w .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t a s k e d w h a t o t h e r i m p r o v e m e n t s , s u c h
a s p a r k i n g , h a d t h e a p p l i c a n t a g r e e d u p o n .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e p a r k i n g c o u l d n o t b e
i m p r o v e d w i t h o u t r e m o v i n g t h e h o u s e . H e s t a t e d t h a t t h e
a p p l i c a n t w o u l d b e w i l l i n g t o p u t i n a d r i v e w a y o r m a k e
o t h e r t y p e s o f i m p r o v e m e n t s .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a s k e d t h a t s i n c e t h e s c h o o l w a s g o i n g
t o i n c r e a s e t h e n u m b e r o f s t u d e n t s , w o u l d t h e r e b e s u f -
f i c i e n t p a r k i n g , n u m b e r o f c h i l d r e n , s u p e r v i s i o n , e t c ;
a n d i f t h e . S t a t e r e g u l a t e d t h e s e t h i n g s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e S t a t e d o e s r e g u l a t e t h e
n u m b e r o f c h i l d r e n p e r t e a c h e r , b u t t h a t t h e p a r k i n g
r e q u i r e m e n t s a r e r e g u l a t e d b y t h e C i t y ' s Z o n i n g C o d e .
L i s a D o n n e l l , 2 1 0 0 3 B r o o k l i n e , W a l n u t , s t a t e d t h a t w i t h
t h e i n c r e a s e o f b o t h p a r e n t s w o r k i n g a w a y f r o m t h e h o m e ,
t h e o w n e r h a s b e e n r e c e i v i n g m o r e c a l l s f r o m p a r e n t s w h o
n e e d a f t e r - s c h o o l c a r e , a s w e l l a s p r e - s c h o o l a n d i n f a n t
c a r e . T h e S t a t e r e q u i r e m e n t s f o r d a y c a r e s a r e a s
f o l l o w s :
S c h o o l A g e : 1 4 t o 1 t e a c h e r
P r e s c h o o l A g e : 1 2 t o 1 t e a c h e r
I n f a n t s : 4 t o 1 t e a c h e r
Planning Commission Minutes Page 4
April 24, 1990
She stated that State law requires an indoor area of 35
square feet per child and an outdoor area of 75 square
feet per child. Santa Anita Village School meets both
requirements.
She further stated that the applicant is requesting
extended hours since some parents work a greater dis-
tance from the school with a longer commute time.
She also stated that the children are not at the school
all day long some will be attending a nearby elementary
school. The greatest number of children would be after
4 p.m., but then parents would begin picking up their
children. Parents arrive at different times in the
morning and evening so the congestion is limited. The
school presently has three teachers and only one teacher
drives. She also stated that at the previous meeting
the neighbors complained about things being thrown over
the wall. She stated that the applicant would be will-
ing to place an 8 foot high wall along the side and rear
property lines.
Commissioner Griffiths asked if there would be any other
staff besides teachers.
Ms. Donnell stated no.
Commissioner Budds asked if the applicant planned to
remove the very old tree that is in the front of the
lot.
Ms. Donnell stated that it would need to be in order to
provide the required parking and if the Commission would
like the applicant to replace the tree with some other
trees, it could be done.
Linda Penrod, 5409 Persimmon, stated that she had two
children attending Santa Anita Village School and that
the teachers supervise the children very closely. She
further stated that the school has met her child care
needs.
Deborah Basa, 10658 Fairhall, #7, stated that the park-
ing had never been a problem and that it did not hurt to
wait a few seconds for a parent to move through the
circular driveway.
Karl Hesser, 9655 Live Oak Ave, stated that he had never
had a problem with parking and that everyone used the
circular driveway. He stated that if a parent needed to
speak to a teacher, they parked on the street. He also
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 5
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
s t a t e d t h a t i f t h e s c h o o l h o u r s w e r e e x p a n d e d , h e w o u l d
b e a b l e t o t a k e h i s c h i l d r e n i n t h e m o r n i n g a n d h e
r e q u e s t e d t h a t t h e s t u d e n t b o d y b e e n l a r g e d .
M a r i a A g u d e l l a , 1 1 1 4 5 B a s y e S t . , " E l M o n t e , s t a t e d t h a t
s h e t a u g h t a t t h e s c h o o l . S h e s t a t e d t h a t t h e s c h o o l
w a s u t i l i z e d b y p a r e n t s w h o p a s s b y t h e s c h o o l o n t h e
w a y t o w o r k . S h e f u r t h e r s t a t e d t h a t p a r k i n g h a s n e v e r
b e e n a p r o b l e m a t t h e s c h o o l . P a r e n t s c o m e a n d g o v e r y
q u i c k l y . S h e a l s o s t a t e d t h a t t h e c h i l d r e n n e e d e d
s o m e w h e r e t o g o a f t e r s c h o o l a n d b e w a t c h e d b y s o m e o n e
w h o c o u l d l o v e a n d c a r e f o r t h e m .
C h a i r m a n M u t o d i r e c t e d t h e a u d i e n c e b a c k t o t h e i s s u e
s t a t i n g t h a t i f t h e p a r e n t s i n t h e a u d i e n c e w r o t e a
l e t t e r w h i c h w a s e a r l i e r m o t i o n e d i n t o t h e m i n u t e s , t h e y
d i d n o t h a v e t o s p e a k .
J o a n n C h a d d e r t o n , 4 5 3 3 C l o v e r l y A v e . , s t a t e d t h a t s h e
h a d n o t e x p e r i e n c e d a n y p r o b l e m w i t h p a r k i n g .
J o s e p h A . B u c k l e y , 5 3 3 5 S a n t a A n i t a A v e . , s t a t e d t h a t h e
l i v e d n e x t t o t h e s c h o o l . H i s m a i n c o n c e r n w a s t r a f f i c
s a f e t y a n d t h a t a n u m b e r o f a c c i d e n t s h a v e h a p p e n e d a t
t h e c o r n e r o f S a n t a A n i t a a n d F r e e r . H e a l s o s t a t e d
t h a t t h e r e w a s a p r o b l e m w i t h t r a s h b e i n g l e f t o u t a l l
w e e k e n d a n d b y M o n d a y t h e d o g s h a d m a d e a m e s s o f i t . H e
h a d o t h e r c o n c e r n s r e g a r d i n g i n c r e a s e d n o i s e , t h i n g s
c o m i n g o v e r t h e w a l l a n d s u p e r v i s i o n . H e a l s o f e l t t h a t
t h e e x i s t i n g b u i l d i n g s w e r e " h o t b o x e s " a n d u n h e a l t h y
f o r t h e c h i l d r e n .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a s k e d i f M r . B u c k l e y h a d e v e r y v o i c e d
c o m p l a i n t s t o t h e s c h o o l o r i f a n y o f h i s t e n a n t s
b r o u g h t t h e s e p r o b l e m s t o h i s a t t e n t i o n .
M r . B u c k l e y s t a t e d t h a t h i s t e n a n t s h a v e c o m p l a i n e d t o
h i m .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s m o v e d t o c l o s e t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g ,
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r -
r i e d .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a s k e d i f a n e n t r a n c e a n d e x i t s i g n
c o u l d b e p o s t e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t i t w o u l d b e p o s s i b l e t o h a v e
d i r e c t i o n a l s i g n s p o s t e d .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a s k e d i f t h e p a r k i n g s p a c e s w e r e
p l a c e d p e r p e n d i c u l a r i f t h a t w o u l d a l l o w f o r m o r e r o o m .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 6
April 24, 1990
Director Dawson stated that the present layout was very
tight and that it would be impossible to place the
spaces perpendicular;
Commissioner Budds asked what number of students would
allow for four teachers.
Director Dawson stated that infant care could be elimi-
nated or reduce the number of pre- schoolers by 12 or the
number of afterschool children by 14 and that would
reduce the number to 4 teachers.
Commissioner Budds stated that if the designated parking
area would be used by teachers, directional signs would
be posted, no problem with extending hours or increasing
the enrollment (subject to receiving a letter from the
State on whether the school is a "hot box" and the
number of students permitted).
Commissioner Griffiths stated he had no problem with the
increase in enrollment. He did not feel a 5 year review
would be necessary. He also stated that the parking was
substandard and would remain that way until some work
was done on the front building. He felt that the drive-
ways should be marked and also the parking should be
marked "Employee Parking Only ".
Commissioner Floyd stated that she had been by the
subject site between 5:15 and 5:30 and did not notice
any traffic problems. She requested that a sign be
placed that conforms to the City standards.
Commissioner Seibert concurred with all the comments
made.
City Attorney Martin stated that the motion should
include the intent to tentatively approve and at the
next meeting a resolution will be adopted.
Commissioner Budds asked if the Commission was in agree-
ment with the enrollment of 56.
Commissioner Budds moved to tentatively approve the
Modification to Conditional Use Permit 71 -342 and Zone
Variance 90 -1036 based upon the findings of the public
hearing, seconded by Commissioner Seibert and unani-
mously carried. A draft resolution will be prepared by
staff to be adopted at the next regular meeting of
May 8, 1990.
Chairman Muto stated that the case had tentative ap-
proval and no action could be taken until after the next
Planning Commission meeting.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 7
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d a n y c o n d i t i o n s a s a r e s u l t o f
t o n i g h t ' s m e e t i n g w o u l d b e r e c o m m e n d e d i n t o t h e d r a f t
r e s o l u t i o n t o b e p r e p a r e d f o r t h e C o m m i s s i o n ' s a p p r o v a l
a n d t h a t i f a n y o n e w o u l d l i k e a c o p y i t w o u l d b e r e a d y
f o r d i s t r i b u t i o n t h e F r i d a y b e f o r e t h e n e x t m e e t i n g .
B . P U B L I C H E A R I N G F R O N T Y A R D S E T B A C K S
S i t e : 6 1 0 0 B L O C K O F C A M E L L I A A V E N U E
A p p l i c a n t : P E T I T I O N E R S
R e q u e s t : R e q u e s t f o r a s p e c i a l f r o n t
y a r d s e t b a c k o f 3 0 f e e t a l o n g
t h e e a s t s i d e o f C a m e l l i a
A v e n u e a s p e c i a l f r o n t y a r d
s e t b a c k o f 2 5 f e e t a l o n g t h e
w e s t s i d e o f C a m e l l i a A v e n u e ,
n o r t h o f G a r i b a l d i .
A s i n p r e v i o u s m e e t i n g s , C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s e x c u s e d
h i m s e l f f r o m t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g b a s e d o n a c o n f l i c t o f
i n t e r e s t .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e n o t i c e s o f t h e p u b l i c
h e a r i n g h a d b e e n m a i l e d a n d c o n t i n u e d w i t h t h e p r e s e n t a -
t i o n o f t h e b a c k g r o u n d i n f o r m a t i o n s t a t i n g t h a t s t a f f
d i d n o t r e c o m m e n d a p p r o v a l o f t h e s p e c i a l f r o n t y a r d
s e t b a c k s a n d p r e s e n t e d a n o t h e r o p t i o n , i f t h e r e s i d e n t s
p r e f e r r e d , o f a p o s s i b l e d o w n - z o n i n g . H e a l s o s t a t e d
t h a t M a r v i n M e i s e l h a d s e n t a l e t t e r t o a l l p r o p e r t y
o w n e r s i n t h e s u b j e c t b l o c k s t a t i n g t h a t i t w o u l d b e
u n f a i r a n d d a m a g i n g i f t h e f r o n t y a r d s e t b a c k s w e r e
a p p r o v e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n a l s o r e a d a l e t t e r f r o m H e l e n R o d e n b e c k
a n d B a r r i e B r a w l e y w h i c h s t a t e d t h a t t h e s e t b a c k s w o u l d
r e s t r i c t a n y c o n d o m i n i u m p r o j e c t s f r o m b e i n g t o c l o s e t o
t h e s t r e e t a n d s t a t e d t h a t M r . M e i s e l w a s i n c o r r e c t w h e n
h e s t a t e d t h a t i f t h e f r o n t o f t h e h o u s e w e r e d a m a g e d
t h a t i t c o u l d n o t b e r e - b u i l t . I t c o u l d b e r e - b u i l t t o
w h a t w a s p r e v i o u s l y t h e r e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a s k e d i f a n y o f t h e l o t s w e r e c o m -
b i n e d , w o u l d a p u b l i c h e a r i n g b e r e q u i r e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t a p u b l i c h e a r i n g w o u l d n o t
b e r e q u i r e d , b u t a n y c o n d o m i n i u m p r o j e c t w o u l d h a v e t o
c o m e b e f o r e t h e C o m m i s s i o n .
R o b e r t M c G i n n i s , 6 1 2 0 C a m e l l i a A v e . , r e - s t a t e d t h a t h e
d i d n o t w a n t c o n d o m i n i u m s 1 0 f e e t i n f r o n t o f h i s h o u s e .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 8
April 24, 1990
Brenda Maddox, 6139 Camellia Ave., asked how the front
yard setback was measured.
Director Dawson stated that you measure 12 feet from the
face of the curb and that is the property line and then
the setback is measured from the property line back 20
feet.
Ms. Maddox asked when the front yard setback was
changed.
Commissioner Seibert stated that the setback had existed
since the City's incorporation.
Mary Kokayke, 6149 Camellia Ave., stated that Mr. Meisel
is an attorney and was concerned about not being able to
obtain fire insurance and loans. She stated she signed
the petition, but had since changed her mind.
Francis Keefe, 6114 Camellia Ave., stated that the
neighborhood is very nice and did not want to see a
condominium sticking out in front of his property.
Joe Canbilova, 6101 Camellia Ave., stated that his
concern was with traffic; especially if a number of
condominiums were to be developed. It would increase
the number of vehicles in and out of the cul -de -sac.
Roy Walsh, 6138 -40 Camellia Ave., stated he was against
the requested setbacks because there was not enough land
and residents would need to go to second stories.
Joe Brubaker, 6159 Camellia Ave., stated he did not feel
the special setbacks would benefit the City and thought
that down - zoning would solve the problem.
Joanna Bennett, 6155 Camellia Ave., stated she was
opposed to any changes to the front yard setback.
Director Dawson clarified that the City adopted an
ordinance that allows residents to re -build non-
conforming residences that are destroyed by fire or
other catastrophic disaster.
Commissioner Seibert moved to close the public hearing,
seconded by Commissioner Budds and unanimously carried.
Commissioner Seibert stated his position was the same
and that he was not in favor the request.
Commissioner Floyd agreed with Commissioner Seibert.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 9
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s s t a t e d h e d i d n o t f e e l t h a t t h e
s p e c i a l r e q u e s t w o u l d c r e a t e a n a d m i n i s t r a t i v e b u r d e n
s i n c e i t h a d b e e n d o n e o n H a l i f a x R o a d , a n d t h a t h e
w o u l d s u p p o r t t h e r e q u e s t b e f o r e t h e C o m m i s s i o n .
C h a i r m a n M u t o s t a t e d t h a t c h a n g i n g t h e s e t b a c k s w o u l d
n o t g i v e t h e b l o c k w h a t i t t r u l y w a n t e d . T h e c h a n g e
w o u l d n o t k e e p o u t t h e c o n d o m i n i u m p r o j e c t s .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o d e n y t h e r e q u e s t f o r
s p e c i a l f r o n t y a r d s e t b a c k s b a s e d u p o n t h e f i n d i n g s i n
t h e s t a f f r e p o r t , s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r F l o y d a n d
p a s s e d w i t h t h e f o l l o w i n g r o l l c a l l :
Y E S : F l o y d , S e i b e r t a n d M u t o
N O : B u d d s
A B S T A I N : G r i f f i t h s
C h a i r m a n M u t o s t a t e d t h a t t h e r e w a s . a 1 0 - d a y a p p e a l
p e r i o d i n w h i c h a n y o n e m a y a p p e a l t h e d e c i s i o n o f t h e
C o m m i s s i o n t o t h e C i t y C o u n c i l .
6 . N E W B U S I N E S S :
A . P U B L I C H E A R I N G T E N T A T I V E T R A C T M A P 4 9 3 3 0
C O N D I T I O N A L U S E P E R M I T 9 0 - 1 0 4 3
S i t e : 5 3 4 1 - 4 7 W E L L A N D A V E N U E
O w n e r / A p p l i c a n t : S H U - C H A N K A N G
9 5 0 2 L A S T U N A S D R I V E
T E M P L E C I T Y , C A 9 1 7 8 7 0
A p p l i c a n t : S H E N G - T E H H S I E H
1 8 3 5 S . D E L M A R , S U I T E 2 0 5
S A N G A B R I E L , C A 9 1 7 7 6
E n g i n e e r : T R I T E C H A S S O C I A T E S
7 3 5 W . E M E R S O N A V E N U E
M O N T E R E Y P A R K , C A 9 1 7 5 4
R e q u e s t : A C o n d i t i o n a l U s e P e r m i t a n d
T e n t a t i v e T r a c t M a p t o a l l o w a
n i n e ( 9 ) u n i t r e s i d e n t i a l c o n d o -
m i n i u m p r o j e c t w i t h i n t h e M e d i u m
D e n s i t y R e s i d e n t i a l ( R - 2 ) Z o n e .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e n o t i c e s o f t h e p u b l i c
h e a r i n g h a d b e e n m a i l e d a n d c o n t i n u e d w i t h t h e p r e s e n t a -
t i o n o f t h e b a c k g r o u n d i n f o r m a t i o n .
T o m K a , 7 3 5 W . E m e r s o n A v e . , M o n t e r e y P a r k , a s k e d f o r t h e
C o m m i s s i o n ' s a p p r o v a l o f t h e p r o j e c t .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 10
April 24, 1990
Commissioner Seibert asked if the applicant had read all
of the conditions of approval and agreed with them.
Mr. Ka stated that he had and did agree.
Mae Rosenkranz, 5351 Welland Ave., stated that this pro-
ject would bring in additional traffic to the street that
was already very busy. She further stated sometimes more
than one family lives in a unit and asked what that would
do to the sewers and the schools. Also, that if the pro-
ject were approved, she would be placed right in the
middle of an existing condominium and the proposed pro-
ject.
Stan Maxcy, 10906 Wildflower Rd., stated that the neigh-
borhood is mainly single story and the new condominiums
are two - story. He also was concerned with traffic stating
that it had increased quite a bit. Another concern was an
increase in water usage and the number of trees that would
need to be destroyed. He stated that he did not want to
wait until it was too late.
Joan Vizcarra, 5632 Golden West, asked what a conditional
use permit was for and when it was required.
Director Dawson stated that any time there was a project
for three or more units it requires a conditional use
permit.
Das Sheenh, 5612 Golden West, stated that there are too
many condominiums in the City.
Commissioner Griffiths moved to close the public hearing,
seconded by Commissioner Seibert and unanimously carried.
Commissioner Budds stated that he understood that the
project met all of the conditions, but he questioned the
use of the city resources, since the City does not collect
property taxes. He asked if the City was going to need
additional police and fire and also upgraded drainage and
sewers. He asked the applicant if he would be willing to
reduce the number of units to 8 stating that 2 houses are
existing and the applicant would be replacing them with 9
units.
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Sheng -Teh Hsieh, 1835 S. Del Mar, Ste. 205, San Gabriel,
stated that they tried to do the best to reduce the number
of units. They could have built 10 units, but are only
proposing 9. Reducing the number to 8 would make it very
difficult. He also stated that the existing houses areal
non - conforming.
Commissioner Seibert asked if the answer was yes or no.
Planning Commission Minutes Page 11
April 24, 1990
Mr. Hsieh stated that the answer was no.
Commissioner Budds stated that the project did have an
adverse impact on the neighborhood.
Commissioner Floyd stated that she did not see what dif-
ference one house would make. She asked if there was a
way to limit the number of heads of households.
Commissioner Seibert stated that 8 units would be more
acceptable. He also stated that he understood the neigh-
bors complaints, but since the builder has met all the
requirements that are established by the City, he could
not legally deny the request.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that at the time of updating
the general plan there were a number of hearings held to
decide the zoning and density within Temple City. He
further stated that there would definitely be a problem
with trash disposal and adequate water, but with the
parameters we have to work within, it is very difficult to
not approve the request.
Commissioner Budds asked how do we then get into a discus-
sion on the burden of proof with regard to the effect upon
the public welfare.
Commissioner Seibert stated that the EIR addresses those
issues.
Commissioner Budds asked if the Commission can question it
by saying that while it meets the code, we believe that in
reviewing the impact that it would have on the resources
of the City outweigh the particular arguments and use that
as a basis for denial.
Commissioner Seibert stated that the Commission can re-
quest a full blown environmental impact report, but with-
out that you cannot.
City Attorney Martin stated that it could be done. The
Commission could say that nine just won't work and the
density is .too high, and therefore, it is contrary to
public welfare, but then you cannot pick at that issue
each and every time. He suggested kicking the density up,
to 1 every 4000.
Commissioner Budds stated that he would agree with that.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that was a more pragmatic
approach and a process should be initiated to review the
zoning code.
Planning Commission Minutes Page 12
April 24, 1990
City Attorney Martin stated that it could be questioned if III
the roof was 18 feet high and no parking, then it just
would not be workable; but something that is a "cookie
cutter ", you are suppose to change the zone.
Commissioner Budds stated that the Commission has been
approving projects with 4 or 6 units more easily. It had
been a long time since a project this large has come
before the Commission. He'felt Mrs. Rosenkranz had a
valid point.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that he wished he could find
the basis to deny, but he just cannot.
City Attorney Martin stated that during the General Plan
process arguement was R -1 or R -2, but it did not really
get into density. Most people want to be able to build
two homes and the Council sympathized with that.
Commissioner Floyd stated that the project was 8 feet
below the maximum allowable height of 30 feet and it was
an upgrade to the area and conformed nicely to some of the
newer developments.
Chairman Muto stated that its in the R -2 zone, meets
General Plan requirements and conforms with all the re-
quirements and he felt with all these positive statements
we should go ahead and approve.
Commissioner Seibert moved to recommend approval of Tenta-
tive Tract Map 49330 and Conditional Use Permit 90 -1043
based on the findings and subject to the conditions con-
tained in a draft resolution, seconded by Commissioner
Floyd and passed with the following roll call:
YES: Floyd, Griffiths, Seibert and Muto
NO: Budds
Chairman Muto stated that this project has been recom-
mended for approve and will be re- noticed for a public
hearing before the City Council.
B. PUBLIC HEARING: MODIFICATION OF TENTATIVE PARCEL
MAP 20123
Site: 9207 -11 WEDGEWOOD AVENUE
Applicant:
CAL MAGRO
9207 -11 WEDGEWOOD AVENUE
TEMPLE CITY, CALIFORNIA 91780
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 1 3
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
R e q u e s t : T o m o d i f y a C o n d i t i o n o f A p -
p r o v a l f o r a p r e v i o u s l y a p p r o v e d
T e n t a t i v e P a r c e l . M a p . T h e s u b -
j e c t c o n d i t i o n r e q u i r e s t h e
i n s t a l l a t i o n o f a n e w f i v e f o o t
w i d e s i d e w a l k a d j a c e n t t o t h e
p r o p e r t y l i n e o n W e d g e w o o d
A v e n u e a c r o s s t h e f r o n t a g e o f
P a r c e l 1 a n d 2 w i t h i n t h e L o w
D e n s i t y ( R - 1 ) Z o n e .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e n o t i c e s o f t h e p u b l i c
h e a r i n g h a d b e e n m a i l e d a n d c o n t i n u e d w i t h t h e p r e s e n t a -
t i o n o f t h e b a c k g r o u n d i n f o r m a t i o n . A v i d e o w a s s h o w n o f
t h e s i t e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r F l o y d a s k e d w h e n a n d i f t h e C i t y p a i d f o r
s i d e w a l k s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t i t w o u l d b e a b i g e x p e n s e f o r
t h e C i t y t o p u t s i d e w a l k s t h r o u g h o u t t h e e n t i r e c i t y .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t s t a t e d t h a t t h e e x p e n s e f o r n e w
s i d e w a l k s w a s a s s e s s e d t o e a c h p r o p e r t y o w n e r .
C a l M a g r o , 9 2 0 7 W e d q e w o o d S t . , s t a t e d t h a t a t t h e t i m e t h e
s u b d i v i s i o n w a s a p p r o v e d , h e a g r e e d w i t h a l l t h e c o n d i -
t i o n s . H e s t a t e d t h a t h i s r e q u e s t w a s n o t a n i s s u e o f
d o l l a r s a n d c e n t s . H e f e l t t h a t h i s l o t w o u l d b e t h e o n l y
l o t w i t h s i d e w a l k s , s i n c e t h e o t h e r l o t s w e r e n o t l a r g e
e n o u g h t o s u b d i v i d e . H i s s t r e e t w o u l d n e v e r b e a t h o r -
o u g h f a r e a n d h e s a w l i t t l e n e e d f o r s i d e w a l k s . H e a l s o
s t a t e d t h a t a t r e e i s l o c a t e d w h e r e t h e s i d e w a l k w o u l d b e
p l a c e d .
M u r i e l l e R o s e , 9 2 4 7 W e d g e w o o d S t . , s t a t e d t h a t W e d g e w o o d
w a s a v e r y s h o r t s t r e e t a n d v e r y c o u n t r y l o o k i n g . S h e
a l s o s t a t e d t h a t a s i d e w a l k w o u l d t a k e a w a y f r o m t h e
a e s t h e t i c s o f t h e s t r e e t . S h e s a i d s h e p e r s o n a l l y w o u l d
n o t l i k e t o s e e a c h a n g e o n t h e s t r e e t .
H e n r y R a n s o n s , 9 1 4 7 W e d q e w o o d L a n e , s t a t e d t h a t h e j o g s o n
W e d g e w o o d S t r e e t a n d i f t h e s i d e w a l k s w e r e t h e r e h e w o u l d
n o t u s e t h e m . T h e r e i s n o t r a f f i c o n t h e s t r e e t a n d t r e e s
a r e l i n e d o n b o t h s i d e s o f t h e s t r e e t .
C h a i r m a n M u t o a s k e d M r . R a n s o n s i f t h e t r e e s w o u l d b e i n
t h e w a y o f a n y f u t u r e s i d e w a l k s .
M r . R a n s o n s s t a t e d t h a t t h e s i d e w a l k w o u l d i n t e r f e r e w i t h
t h e t r e e s .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o c l o s e t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g ,
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 14
April 24, 1990
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Commissioner Floyd stated that she was familiar with the
block and saw no purpose for the sidewalk that did not go
anywhere, and she felt the condition should be removed
altogether.
Commissioner Seibert stated that it was a condition that
Mr. Magro agreed to, but if the property were sold then
the sidewalk could be installed or a bond could be posted
so if another development comes up in that block that
would require a sidewalk, it would be guaranteed that a
sidewalk be installed at that site.
Commissioner Floyd asked what if it were mid - block, would
the City have two sidewalks.
Commissioner Seibert stated that you would have two side-
walks.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that he concurred with
Commissioner Floyd.
Commissioner Budds and Chairman Muto also agreed.
Commissioner Floyd moved to approve the Modification too
Tentative Parcel Map No. 20123 to remove Condition 19 from
the conditions of approval based on the findings and
subject to the draft resolution as modified, seconded by
Commissioner Budds and unanimously carried.
Chairman Muto stated that there was a 10 -day appeal period
in which anyone may appeal the decision of the Commission
to the City Council.
7. COMMUNICATIONS: None
8. TIME FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK:
Mr. McGinnis thanked staff. He stated that the condominiums
would increase traffic, water usage, police and air pollution.
He also stated that these types of projects could ruin a very
nice single family area. He stated that he did not agree with
Director Dawson when a report stated that there was no signifi-
cant impact and requested a copy of the Environmental Impact.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that the density should be looked
at particularly in the R -2 zone. He recommended that the issue
of density be placed on the agenda.
Chairman Muto asked if a zone change in the Camellia area would
be justifiable.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that two years ago there were a
number of residents who wanted the R -2 zoning.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s P a g e 1 5
A p r i l 2 4 , 1 9 9 0
M s . V i z c a r r a a s k e d w h a t t h e R - 2 d e n s i t y w a s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t i t w a s 1 u n i t f o r e v e r y 3 6 0 0 s q .
f t . o f l o t a r e a a n d R - 3 i s 1 u n i t f o r e v e r y 2 4 0 0 s q . f t . o f l o t
a r e a . H e f u r t h e r e x p l a i n e d t h a t y o u t a k e t h e t o t a l l o t a r e a
a n d d i v i d e b y e i t h e r 2 4 0 0 o r 3 6 0 0 a n d t h i s w i l l g i v e y o u t h e
m a x i m u m n u m b e r o f u n i t s t h a t c a n b e b u i l t o n t h e l o t . A l l t h e
s t a n d a r d s m u s t b e m e t , p a r k i n g , s e t b a c k , o p e n s p a c e , e t c .
M s . V i z c a r r a s t a t e d t h a t i t s a p p r o x i m a t e l y a 6 0 x 6 0 f o o t l o t
w h i c h i n c l u d e s g a r a g e s , i n g r e s s a n d e g r e s s , g r e e n s p a c e a n d i t s
s u c h a s m a l l a r e a a n d u s u a l l y o n e h o u s e i s r e p l a c e d w i t h 3 o r
f o u r u n i t s . S h e f e l t t h a t t h e r e w a s a p r o b l e m w i t h d e n s i t y .
S h e a s k e d h o w t h e d e n s i t y w a s c o m p u t e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t a t o n e p o i n t t h e C i t y h a d a n R - 4
z o n e w h i c h e v e n a l l o w e d a g r e a t e r d e n s i t y . I n 1 9 8 7 t h e R - 4
z o n e w a s e l i m i n a t e d . A b o u t a y e a r a g o t h e R - 3 d e n s i t y w a s
r e d u c e d f r o m 1 u n i t p e r 1 8 0 0 s q . f t a n d w a s c h a n g e d t o 1 u n i t
p e r 2 4 0 0 s q . f t . A l s o t h e f l o o r a r e a r a t i o r e s t r i c t i o n h a s
a d o p t e d r e c e n t l y .
M s . V i z c a r r a s t a t e d t h a t c o n d o m i n i u m d e v e l o p m e n t s w e r e i n c r e a s -
i n g a n d u n l e s s s o m e t h i n g w a s d o n e n o w t o c h a n g e t h e s t a n d a r d s
i t w o u l d b e t o o l a t e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s s t a t e d t h a t i t i s v e r y d i f f i c u l t t o s i t o n
t h e C o m m i s s i o n a n d w h e n t h e s e d e v e l o p m e n t s c o m e i n f o r a p u b l i c
h e a r i n g a n d n o t h a v e a n y p u b l i c i n p u t .
M s . V i z c a r r a s t a t e d t h a t s h e h o p e d t h a t t h e C o u n c i l a d d r e s s e s
t h e d e n s i t y r e q u i r e m e n t .
M s . R o s e s t a t e d t h a t m a n y p e o p l e w h o m o v e i n t o a n R - 2 a r e a d o
n o t k n o w w h a t t h e d e s i g n a t i o n m e a n s . S h e a l s o s t a t e d t h a t i f
a n a r e a w e r e t o b e d o w n - z o n e d , t h e n u m b e r o f n o n - c o n f o r m i n g
l o t s w o u l d n e e d t o b e a d d r e s s e d .
9 . M A T T E R S F R O M C I T Y O F F I C I A L S :
U p d a t e o f G e n e r a l P l a n H o u s i n g E l e m e n t
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n p r e s e n t e d t h e b a c k g r o u n d i n f o r m a t i o n s t a t i n g
t h a t e v e r y 5 y e a r s t h e h o u s i n g e l e m e n t n e e d s t o b e u p d a t e d a n d
i n t h e n e x t f i s c a l y e a r t h i s w i l l b e d o n e . H e t h a n k e d t h e
C o m m i s s i o n a n d t h e a u d i e n c e f o r t h e i r i n p u t .
C o m m i s s i o n e r B u d d s s t a t e d t h a t t h e Z o n i n g C o d e p l a c e s c e r t a i n
r e q u i r e m e n t s a n d t h e n t h e C o m m i s s i o n i s f a c e d w i t h t h e i s s u e o f
r e s o u r c e s ; t h e n w e h a v e S C A G p l a c i n g a d d i t i o n a l r e q u i r e m e n t s o n
a s m a l l c i t y t h a t h a s n o p r o p e r t y t a x b a s e w h i c h a r e n o t a l w a y s
i n t h e b e s t i n t e r e s t o f t h e c o m m u n i t y .
Planning Commission Minutes Page 16
April 24, 1990
Commissioner Griffiths asked when the updated needed to be •
completed.
Director Dawson stated that this would come up next fiscal year
and that different sections of the state need to update the
housing element at specific periods so actually we are behind
schedule and this makes it necessary to proceed with the update
as quickly as possible.
Commissioner Seibert asked what would happen if the City did
not update the housing element.
City Attorney Martin stated that the general plan would be
inadequate and you would not be able to grant any subdivisions,
variances or conditional use permits and would cancel the
Planning Commission.
Chairman Muto asked who would be updating the housing element.
Director Dawson stated that staff has received two proposals
for approximately $12,000. He also stated that if we want to
include a review of the density it may increase the price, but
it might be of interest to the Commission.
Commissioner Seibert stated that he had a problem with a pro-
fessional consultants doing the work.
City Attorney Martin stated that meeting after meeting we hear
that the density is wrong and second stories are a problem.
For example, if the City does not want second stories, then
lets require conditional use permits for second stories.
Commissioner Budds asked if City Attorney Martin was suggesting
to make second stories a part of the study.
City Attorney Martin stated that its the most common thing the
Commission fights.
Commissioner Floyd asked what a windshield survey was and how
accurate was it.
Commissioner Seibert stated that was the most efficient way to
survey for the least amount of money.
Director Dawson stated that a windshield survey was the count
of the number of units.
Commissioner Budds stated that at Grand and Daleview there is
graffiti on the wall and if it would be possible to review the
State sign requirement as it pertains to the change of owner-
ship. He also asked if a study session with the City Council,
Revitalization Committee and the Commission could be held to
discuss the history of the revitalization of the downtown
area.
Planning Commission Minutes
April 24, 1990
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10. ADJOURNMENT:
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There being no further business, Chairman Muto adjourned the
meeting at 10:10 p.m. The next regular meeting of the Planning
Commission will be held on Tuesday, May 8, 1990, at 7:30 P.M.
in the Council Chamber, 5938 North Kauffman Avenue, Temple
City.
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