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P L A N N I N G C O M M I S S I O N
M I N U T E S
A P R I L 1 1 , 2 0 0 0
I N I T I A T I O N :
1 . C A L L T O O R D E R
P u r s u a n t t o t h e A g e n d a p o s t e d A p r i l 7 , 2 0 0 0 , V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k
c a l l e d t h e m e e t i n g o f t h e P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n t o o r d e r a t
7 : 3 0 p . m . o n T u e s d a y , A p r i l 1 1 , 2 0 0 0 .
2 . P L E D G E O F A L L E G I A N C E T O T H E F L A G
3 . R O L L C A L L :
P r e s e n t : C o m m i s s i o n e r s - A r r i g h i , G r i f f i t h s , S e i b e r t ,
Z o v a k
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o e x c u s e C h a i r m a n C a p r a f o r c a u s e ,
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s , a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
A l s o P r e s e n t : C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n , C o m m u n i t y D e v e l o p m e n t
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n a n d A s s o c i a t e P l a n n e r W i l l i a m s
4 . T I M E F O R T H O S E I N T H E A U D I E N C E W H O W I S H T O S P E A K :
5 . C O N S E N T C A L E N D A R :
A . A P P R O V A L O F M I N U T E S - M e e t i n g o f M a r c h 2 8 , 2 0 0 0
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o a p p r o v e t h e
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s ,
c a r r i e d .
6 . U N F I N I S H E D B U S I N E S S :
A . C o n t i n u e d
P u b l i c H e a r i n g :
S i t e :
P r o p e r t y O w n e r /
A p p l i c a n t :
A r c h i t e c t :
N o n e
C o n s e n t C a l e n d a r ,
a n d u n a n i m o u s l y
M O D I F I C A T I O N O F C O N D I T I O N A L U S E P E R M I T
9 9 - 1 4 0 0 / Z O N E V A R I A N C E 0 0 - 1 4 1 0
9 0 7 0 L A S T U N A S D R I V E
Y O L E I L A I
1 3 7 4 5 R E D L A N D S B L V D .
M O R E N O V A L L E Y , C A 9 2 5 5 5
G A R Y W A N G & A S S O C I A T E S , I N C .
5 7 3 M O N T E R E Y P A S S R O A D , U N I T C
M O N T E R E Y P A R K , C A 9 1 7 5 4
Planning Commission Minutes
April 11, 2000
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Request:
A MODIFICATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT AND ZONE VARIANCE REQUEST FOR A
PROPOSED RESTAURANT AND RETAIL BAKERY
AS THE MAIN TENANT IN ADDITION TO
OFFICE SPACE WITHIN A TWO -STORY
COMMERCIAL BUILDING; THIS REQUEST
WOULD MODIFY A PREVIOUS SUBMITTAL; IT
WOULD EXTEND THE HOURS OF OPERATION
AND PERMIT OUTSIDE DINING WITH A TOTAL
OF 39 PARKING SPACES; THE SUBJECT SITE
IS LOCATED IN THE WEST COMMERCIAL (WC)
DISTRICT OF THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN
AREA.
Director Dawson summarized the Staff report dated April 11,
2000 and indicated that Conditions 4 and 5 had been changed
to require a new access driveway off of Sultana and a
raised landscape divider between the new driveway and
Lyledale. He stated that Condition 3 was also modified to
recommend that the business hours be between 6:00 a.m. and
10:00 p.m. on weekdays and 6:00 a.m. and midnight on
weekends.
Commissioner Seibert inquired how close the proposed
driveway cut would be to the curb and whether or not it
would affect traffic flow.
Director Dawson stated the traffic engineer had reviewed
the plans and commented that it was not an "ideal"
situation but that it was workable.
Commissioner Seibert inquired as to whether the parking
spaces would be affected and whether or not parking off of
the easement street would still be available.
Director Dawson stated that they would not be affected and
parking off of the easement street was available. He also
recommended a condition be added that the parking directly
off of the easement street should be for employees only as
they were difficult spaces to get in and out of.
Vice - Chairman Zovak stated if there were a driveway
entrance off of Las Tunas, then patrons could elect to
bypass Sultana and turn into the parking lot along Las
Tunas.
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Commissioner Seibert inquired as to the feasibility of a 0
one -way parking lot entering from Las Tunas and exiting
onto Sultana.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s
A p r i l 1 1 , 2 0 0 0
P a g e 3
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t i s s u e w a s n o t a d d r e s s e d b y t h e
t r a f f i c e n g i n e e r b u t t h a t h i s o p i n i o n w o u l d b e t h a t a o n e -
w a y p a r k i n g l o t m i g h t c r e a t e t o o m u c h c o n f u s i o n a n d i t
w o u l d b e b e t t e r t o a c c o m m o d a t e b o t h i n g r e s s a n d e g r e s s a t
b o t h l o c a t i o n s .
C o m m i s s i o n e r A r r i g h i i n q u i r e d a s t o w h e t h e r t h e r e w a s a
t u r n i n g i s l a n d i n t h e m i d d l e o f L a s T u n a s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t t h e r e w a s f u r t h e r d o w n o n L a s
T u n a s w e s t o f S u l t a n a .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n i n q u i r e d a s t o w h e t h e r t h e d i v i d e r a s
p r o p o s e d w o u l d b e l o c a t e d o n t h e p r i v a t e s t r e e t o r o n t h e
p r o p e r t y .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h a t i t w o u l d b e o n t h e A p p l i c a n t ' s
p r o p e r t y b u t w i t h i n t h e e a s e m e n t a r e a .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n i n q u i r e d a s t o w h e t h e r t h e d i v i d e r
w o u l d b l o c k a p o r t i o n o f t h e p r i v a t e s t r e e t .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d t h e e a s e m e n t a r e a w o u l d b e
r e s t r i c t e d .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n i n q u i r e d a s t o i f t h e d i v i d e r w e r e
m o v e d n o r t h u n t i l i t w a s o f f o f t h e p r i v a t e s t r e e t , w o u l d
i t i n t e r f e r e w i t h t h e d r i v e w a y a n d t h e b a c k - o u t t u r n i n g
r a d i u s o f t h e p a r k i n g s t a l l s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s t a t e d i t w o u l d r e d u c e t h e t u r n i n g r a d i u s
d o w n t o 1 6 f e e t a n d t h e r e q u i r e m e n t i s 2 5 f e e t .
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s s t a t e d t h a t t h e r e w a s a d e q u a t e
t u r n i n g r a d i u s f o r t h e p a r k i n g p l a c e s a s i n d i c a t e d o n t h e
n o r t h o f t h e s k e t c h b u t m o v i n g t h e d i v i d e r o u t s i d e o f t h e
e a s e m e n t w o u l d c u t t h e t u r n i n g r a d i u s d o w n a n d i t w o u l d b e
t o o s m a l l .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n s t a t e d t h a t h e w a s c o n c e r n e d a b o u t
o r d e r i n g a n i m p r o v e m e n t o n a p r i v a t e s t r e e t .
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s s t a t e d t h a t h e w a s o f t h e o p i n i o n
t h a t t h e r e s i d e n t s a l o n g L y l e d a l e w o u l d p r e f e r t o h a v e t h e
d i v i d e r .
T h e r e b e i n g n o f u r t h e r d i s c u s s i o n a m o n g t h e C o m m i s s i o n e r s ,
V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k o p e n e d t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g a n d i n v i t e d
i n t e r e s t e d p a r t i e s t o c o m e f o r w a r d t o s p e a k o n t h e m a t t e r .
Planning Commission Minutes
April 11, 2000
Page 4
Gary Wang, Architect, 573 Monterey Pass Road, Unit C,
Monterey Park proceeded to clarify the markings on the
plans with regard to the easement.
Director Dawson stated that he had visited the site earlier
in the day and did not find any survey marks. He inquired
of Mr. Wang whether or not the property had been surveyed
at all.
Mr. Wang stated he had submitted an A.L.T.A. Survey map to
the City for their review.
Vice- Chairman Zovak inquired as to whether Mr. Wang had
read the revised conditions and whether they were
acceptable to him.
Mr. Wang stated that he had read the conditions and that
they were acceptable.
Director Dawson stated that there were still some unknowns
with regard to the project. He suggested if the Commission
were going to approve the project, that they should do so
on the contingency that Mr. Wang submit a survey of the
property showing the alignment with the existing driveway
curb cut and Lyledale Street and the neighboring
properties.
City Attorney Martin inquired as to whether the extension
on the property line was subject to the easement.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that it was not, that it was
within the area covered by the easement.
Commissioner Arrighi inquired as to whether the title
stated that there should be no structures over the
easement.
Commissioner Griffiths stated that he did not do a survey
but in reading the descriptions, the extension would be
within the easement area.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired as to whether, going back to
the original proposal, the additional landscaping
continuing east would encroach upon the easement.
Commissioner Seibert stated that, yes, it appears that the
parking and everything would encroach upon the easement.
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" P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s
A p r i l 1 1 , 2 0 0 0
P a g e 5
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C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o c l o s e t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g ,
s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r A r r i g h i , a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k s u g g e s t e d c o n t i n u i n g t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g
a s t h e r e w e r e s e v e r a l q u e s t i o n s t h a t r e m a i n e d u n a n s w e r e d
c o n c e r n i n g t h e p r o j e c t .
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s i n q u i r e d o f C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n
w h e t h e r t h e r e w o u l d b e a l e g a l p r o b l e m i f t h e d e v e l o p m e n t
d i d n o t i n t e r f e r e w i t h t h e i n g r e s s o r e g r e s s o f t h e
p r o p e r t y s i n c e t h e e a s e m e n t d i d n o t s a y i t h a d t o b e c l e a r
a n d o p e n a l l t h e w a y .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n s t a t e d t h e r e w e r e m a n y u n a n s w e r e d
q u e s t i o n s a n d h e c o u l d n o t c o m m e n t u n t i l m o r e i n f o r m a t i o n
w a s a s c e r t a i n e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s u g g e s t e d c o n t i n u i n g t h e p u b l i c h e a r i n g o r
a l t e r n a t i v e l y g r a n t i n g a p p r o v a l s u b j e c t t o t h e c o n d i t i o n
t h a t a s u r v e y b e s u b m i t t e d p r o v i d i n g f o r a d e l i n e a t i o n
b e t w e e n t h e r e s t a u r a n t p r o p e r t y a n d t h e r e s i d e n t i a l
p r o p e r t i e s t o t h e s o u t h , s u b j e c t t o e i t h e r S t a f f r e v i e w o r
C o m m i s s i o n r e v i e w .
V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k s t a t e d f o r t h e r e c o r d t h a t C o m m i s s i o n e r
G r i f f i t h s h a d b e e n a s u r v e y o r f o r 3 5 y e a r s a n d i t w a s f o r
t h a t r e a s o n t h a t h e w a s s p e a k i n g o n b e h a l f o f t h e
C o m m i s s i o n r e g a r d i n g t h e e a s e m e n t i s s u e .
M r . W a n g s u g g e s t e d w i d e n i n g t h e d r i v e w a y a n d p u t t i n g u p a
s i g n t h a t s a i d " R e s t a u r a n t P a r k i n g . "
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n s u g g e s t e d h a v i n g a o n e - w a y p a r k i n g
l o t .
M r . W a n g s t a t e d t h a t a o n e - w a y p a r k i n g l o t w o u l d c r e a t e t o o
m u c h c o n f u s i o n .
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s s t a t e d t h a t w i t h t h e p l a n t e r i n
p l a c e t h e r e w o u l d o n l y b e a n o m i n a l d i s t a n c e o f 2 5 f e e t f o r
t u r n i n g r a d i u s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n c l a r i f i e d t h a t t h e r e w o u l d o n l y b e 1 8 f e e t .
M r . W a n g i n q u i r e d i f h e c o u l d r e s o l v e t h e p r o b l e m s o a s t o
h a v e e n o u g h r o o m w h e r e t h e r e w o u l d b e n o e n c r o a c h m e n t i n t o
t h e e a s e m e n t a r e a w h e t h e r h e w o u l d s t i l l n e e d t o i n c l u d e a
p l a n t e r i n t h e d e s i g n o f t h e p a r k i n g l o t .
Planning Commission Minutes
April 11, 2000
Page 6
Commissioner Seibert stated that the purpose of the planter
was to prevent restaurant patrons from using Lyledale.
Mr. Wang suggested another alternative would be to move the
building five feet to the front property line.
Director Dawson stated that Staff would not like to see the
building too close to the property line and he would not
want to see the architectural design of the building
dictated by the access problem.
City Attorney Martin stated that the issue with the
easement could be resolved with consent from the residents
on Lyledale.
Director Dawson stated that one issue to keep in mind was
that the residential uses served by Lyledale were located
within the Downtown Specific Plan Area, which meant that
they were legal nonconforming residential uses in a
commercial zone.
City Attorney Martin inquired as to how many homes were
actually located on Lyledale.
Director Dawson stated there were between 8 -10 homes with
two having access from Noel.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired of Director Dawson as to what
the options were with respect to the easement situation.
Director Dawson stated that the entire area was in a
commercial zone and it may be difficult to restrict new
development in order to accommodate legal nonconforming
structures. He suggested that the Planning Commission
grant approval subject to review by the Commission of
ingress and egress off of Sultana at a later time when a
survey was submitted by Mr. Wang or to continue the matter
until the problem was resolved.
Commissioner Arrighi stated that he would support Staff's
recommendation in approving the project contingent upon
all parties resolving the issue of the property line and
where the street actually lies.
Commissioner Seibert stated again that the residents were
in a commercial zone and that he would like to see the
residents agree to the use but he did not see how the
Commission could deny Mr. Wang the use of this property to
complete his proposed project.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n M i n u t e s
A p r i l 1 1 , 2 0 0 0
P a g e 7
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s s t a t e d t h a t h e w o u l d l i k e t o s e e t h e
i s l a n d g o i n t o k e e p t r a f f i c o f f o f L y l e d a l e a n d h e w o u l d
l i k e t o s e e t h e r e s i d e n t s a p p r o v e o f s u c h c o n d i t i o n .
A l t e r n a t i v e l y , h e s t a t e d t h a t h e w o u l d b e i n f a v o r o f
a p p r o v i n g t h e p r o j e c t w i t h o u t t h e i s l a n d , w i t h a l a r g e r
d r i v e w a y o n t o S u l t a n a . H e s t a t e d t h e s i n g l e d r i v e w a y a s
c u r r e n t l y p r o p o s e d w o u l d n o t b e a d e q u a t e .
C o m m i s s i o n e r G r i f f i t h s r e i t e r a t e d t h a t a g r e e m e n t b e t w e e n
t h e r e s i d e n t s a n d t h e r e s t a u r a n t o w n e r w o u l d n e e d t o b e
r e a c h e d b u t t h a t h e d i d n o t b e l i e v e t h e C i t y n e e d e d t o
r e q u i r e s u c h a n a g r e e m e n t . H e s t a t e d t h a t i f a g r e e m e n t w a s
n o t r e a c h e d , t h a t h e w o u l d s t i l l b e w i l l i n g t o a p p r o v e t h e
p r o j e c t ; t h a t t h e r e s t a u r a n t o w n e r h a d t h e r i g h t t o u t i l i z e
t h e i r p r o p e r t y .
V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k c o n c u r r e d .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n c l a r i f i e d t h a t t h e C o m m i s s i o n w a s
a p p r o v i n g t h e R e s o l u t i o n a s d r a w n w i t h t h e u n d e r s t a n d i n g
t h a t t h e b a r r i e r t o b e i n s e r t e d i s r e c o g n i z e d a s a n
i n s t a l l a t i o n o n a p r i v a t e s t r e e t w h i c h w i l l r e q u i r e t h e
c o n s e n t o f t h e o w n e r s o f t h e r e c i p r o c a l e a s e m e n t s a n d t h a t
w o u l d b e a c o n t i n u i n g o f f e r o n t h e p a r t o f t h e d e v e l o p e r t o
i n s t a l l s u c h b a r r i e r a t s u c h t i m e a s h e d o e s h a v e s u c h
c o n s e n t . I f c o n s e n t i s n o t o b t a i n e d , t h e n t h e r e w o u l d
e x i s t i n d i v i d u a l a n d p r i v a t e r i g h t s r e g a r d i n g t h e u s e o f
L y l e d a l e .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n i n q u i r e d a s t o w h e t h e r C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n
w a s m a k i n g t h e t h r e e - f o o t - w i d e s e p a r a t i o n a r e q u i r e m e n t .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n s t a t e d t h a t t h e C i t y c o u l d n o t i m p o s e
t h a t r e q u i r e m e n t o n p r i v a t e p r o p e r t y , t h a t i t w o u l d b e u p
t o M r . W a n g t o g e t c o n s e n t f r o m t h e r e s i d e n t s . I f h e c o u l d
n o t , t h e r e w o u l d b e a c o n d i t i o n t h a t i t w o u l d b e a n o n g o i n g
o f f e r o n c e t h e r e s i d e n t s s a w h o w m u c h t r a f f i c w a s c o m i n g
o n t o L y l e d a l e . H e f u r t h e r s t a t e d t h a t i f c o n s e n t i s n o t
o b t a i n e d n o w , t h a t L y l e d a l e w o u l d b e a n o p e n a r e a t o b e
u s e d b y e v e r y o n e u n t i l s u c h t i m e a s c o n s e n t i s o b t a i n e d .
V i c e - C h a i r m a n Z o v a k c l a r i f i e d t h a t C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n w a s
g i v i n g t h e A p p l i c a n t f i r s t o p t i o n t o p u r s u e t h e d i a g r a m a s
p r e s e n t e d a n d , i f n o t , t h a t t h e d o u b l e - w i d e d r i v e w a y w o u l d
b e s u f f i c i e n t .
Planning Commission Minutes
April 11, 2000
Page 8
Commissioner Griffiths moved to approve the Zone Variance
and Conditional Use Permit as described along with the
Negative Declaration and the conditions of resolving the
access problem with consent.
Commissioner Seibert seconded the motion, and it was
unanimously carried.
Vice - Chairman Zovak stated that the project had been
approved subject to the conditions which had been discussed
and it may be appealed to the City Council within 10 days.
City Attorney Martin clarified that the barrier would be
put in unless the residents objected to it. In that case,
the barrier could not be put in but there would be a
continuing offer on the part of the applicant to install
the barrier at such time as the residents did consent.
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Mr. Wang inquired as to how he should go about acquiring
and documenting the consent of the residents.
City Attorney Martin stated the means used to obtain the 411)
consent would be left up to Mr. Wang.
Vice - Chairman Zovak clarified that at this time Mr. Wang
would need to put forth some effort to obtain consent from
the residents; if he could not do so, then he would need to
inform the Planning Department.
7. NEW BUSINESS:
A. DISCUSSION:
Site:
Applicant/
Property Owner:
Architect:
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 00 -1412/
ZONE VARIANCE 00 -1413
9010 BROADWAY AVENUE
EQUILON, LLC.
ATTN: DOUG ELSTON
2255 NORTH ONTARIO STREET, #207D
BURBANK, CALIFORNIA 91504 -3120
ARCHITEKTON
ATTN: JEFF T. CHESS
200 NORTH VICTORY BOULEVARD
BURBANK, CALIFORNIA 91502
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Planning Commission Minutes
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Request: A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
AND ZONE VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF AN AUTOMATIC CAR WASH
AND QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT (QSR) AT
AN EXISTING SERVICE STATION AND FOOD
MART WITH A TOTAL OF 9 PARKING SPACES
(INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 18 PARKING
SPACES); THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED
AT 9010 BROADWAY IN THE HEAVY
COMMERCIAL (C -3) ZONE.
Community Development Director Dawson stated public notices
had been sent to property owners within 500 feet of the
subject site and summarized the Staff report dated April
11, 2000.
Associate Planner Williams showed and narrated the
videotape of the subject property.
Director Dawson also pointed out that the oil delivery
trucks occupy quite a large area and will take up available
parking as well as impacting the entire property.
Jeff T. Chess, Architect for Shell Oil, thanked Director
Dawson and Associate Planner Williams for their help in
getting the project before the Commission so rapidly and
went on to further explain the proposed project. One
concept that he spoke of was the need for there to be other
types of businesses on gas station sites now to generate
more profit because profit margins were down on the sale of
gasoline alone.
Mr. Chess went on to explain that they would be using the
grab- and -go concept with regard to the QSR and they had no
intention of having a sit -down area for eating. With
regard to the hours of operation, he stated that while the
application asked for 24 -hour operation, this particular
QSR would not serve breakfast; therefore, the hours of
operation would more than likely be 11:00 a.m. to after -
dinner hours. As far as parking, he stated that the
fueling stations did represent eight additional parking
spaces where people would pull up, get gas and run in and
grab a food item. He thanked Staff for acknowledging these
as parking spaces and said he realized that they were just
one space short of the required nine.
Mr. Chess explained that the car wash was something very
different than what was across the street. He said this
car wash was designed for people in a hurry who wanted to
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just wash their car and go; they were not interested in
getting the interiors on their cars cleaned and vacuumed.
Mr. Chess stated that this lot was comparable in size to
many other projects he had worked on and the project had
been laid out in a manner that they had found to be
acceptable in the past. He stated that as far as traffic
was concerned, the alley had been reconfigured and there
was no longer access from the alley; also, that a curb cut
had been put in on the street. He stated that they
expected no increase in traffic because the people who
would be using the other facilities were already there to
purchase gas.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired as to how many employees were
proposed to work on the site.
Mr. Chess stated that two employees would be required for
the QSR and one employee for inside the convenience store.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired as to other locations of
similar projects.
Mr. Chess stated the other projects were on a larger scale
and were located in Burbank and Diamond Bar.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired as to whether the other sites
had the same three types of businesses -- gas station, car
wash, and QSR.
Mr. Chess stated that some sites varied and had check
cashing on them but that the largest profit center was car
washes.
Director Dawson inquired whether the intent was to have the
service station open 24 hours and the QSR to have the
limited hours of lunchtime to dinnertime.
Mr. Chess stated that the QSR is considered ancillary to
the gas station and that a QSR is only profitable during
peak business hours.
Commissioner Arrighi inquired as to whether the project
would require retrofitting the underground storage tanks.
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Mr. Chess stated there would be no modification to the fuel
system at this time; the only modification would be to the 40
software for the point of sale network.
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w o u l d b e a d e t r i m e n t t o t h i s f o o t t r a f f i c . S h e a l s o
e x p r e s s e d c o n c e r n t h a t t h i s t y p e o f b u s i n e s s w o u l d d e - v a l u e
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f r o m t h e n o r t h a n d w e n t s o u t h o n R o s e m e a d , m a d e a l e f t - h a n d
t u r n o n B r o a d w a y , s o u t h o n S u l t a n a t o R a n c h o R e a l , w e s t o n
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w e i g h t l i m i t a t i o n s f o r h e a v y t r u c k s .
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n o t r e q u i r e d t o p r o v i d e a d d i t i o n a l p a r k i n g f o r t h e c a r
w a s h ; t h e v a r i a n c e w a s s p e c i f i c a l l y f o r t h e Q S R . A s f a r a s
t h e c o n c e r n a b o u t h o m e l e s s p e o p l e , M r . C h e s s s t a t e d t h a t
t h i s b u s i n e s s w a s t a i l o r e d t o c o m m u t e r s a n d d i d n o t s e e
t h a t a s a p r o b l e m . H e f u r t h e r s t a t e d t h a t h e w o u l d c a l l
t h e S h e l l t e r m i n a l r e g a r d i n g t a n k e r s u s i n g r e s i d e n t i a l
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streets, that there should be a different route for them to
take.
Vice - Chairman Zovak inquired as to whether the areas for
air and water were designated as "no parking" areas.
Mr. Chess stated that he had visited the site and did see
that they were so marked. He stated that to stay true to
his site plan those spaces would have to say "no parking"
and the air and water would have to be relocated.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Commissioner
Seibert moved to close the public hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Arrighi, and unanimously carried.
Director Dawson stated that Staff had calculated no
required parking for the car wash. He stated, in reality,
the car wash would more than likely add to the congestion,
if not the parking problem.
Commissioner Seibert stated that he was in favor of the QSR
but was not in favor of the car wash because he felt that
it would cause unnecessary congestion on the site. He
further stated that he did not have any concerns with
regard to the operating hours.
Commissioner Griffiths stated the site was not large enough
to accommodate all of the proposed uses. He stated that
eliminating the car wash seemed to be the reasonable
solution to accommodate the parking that was available. He
further stated that he had no concern with the operating
hours.
Commissioner Arrighi stated that he was in favor of the QSR
but not the car wash. He stated that he had no concern
with the hours of operation but that the hours should be
reviewed and modified should any complaints arise.
Vice - Chairman Zovak stated that he could approve the use
for the QSR but not for the car wash because it would be an
over diversification of the lot. He stated he did have a
concern with the two parking spaces being labeled "no
parking" and then being counted as available parking.
Commissioner Seibert inquired as to if the car wash were
not there, how many parking spaces would be available.
Director Dawson stated that there were 18 spaces required
and they only had 9, two of which were designated "no
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r e m o v e d .
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t h e s i t e t h a t a d d i t i o n a l p a r k i n g s h o u l d b e a v a i l a b l e .
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w o u l d b e l o c a t e d i s c u r r e n t l y i m p r o v e d w i t h l a n d s c a p i n g .
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t h e r e w e r e t w o e n t r a n c e s t o t h e a l l e y a n d i t l o o k e d l i k e
c a r s c o u l d p a r k o n e i t h e r s i d e p a r a l l e l t o t h e p l a n t e r a r e a
w i t h o u t a f f e c t i n g a n y c a r s t r y i n g t o g o i n t o t h e p u m p a r e a
n o r i n t e r f e r e w i t h t h e a r e a w h e r e f u e l i s b r o u g h t i n .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t a s k e d f o r A t t o r n e y M a r t i n ' s
r e c o m m e n d a t i o n r e g a r d i n g t h e p a r k i n g s i t u a t i o n .
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s h o u l d b e m a i n t a i n e d a s p a r k i n g s p a c e s a n d a n y v i o l a t i o n o r
d i m i n u t i o n o f t h o s e w o u l d b e a v i o l a t i o n o f t h e R e s o l u t i o n .
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s u b j e c t t o v e r i f i c a t i o n .
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b e e n s a i d y e a r s e a r l i e r w h e n t h e s e r v i c e s t a t i o n w a s
a p p r o v e d a n d t h e s t o r e h a d g o n e i n . H e a l s o s t a t e d t h a t
t h e a i r a n d w a t e r o u t l e t s h a d a l s o b e e n d i s c u s s e d a t t h a t
t i m e a s w e l l a s t h e u s e o f t h e s t r e e t f o r a d d i t i o n a l
p a r k i n g .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m o v e d t o a p p r o v e t h e C o n d i t i o n a l U s e
P e r m i t a n d t h e V a r i a n c e e x c l u d i n g t h e c a r w a s h w i t h t h e
a d d i t i o n a l c o n d i t i o n a s s t a t e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n s u g g e s t e d t h a t a n a d d i t i o n a l c o n d i t i o n b e
i n c l u d e d t h a t t h e v a c u u m a s s h o w n o n t h e s i t e p l a n n o t b e
i n s t a l l e d .
C o m m i s s i o n e r A r r i g h i s e c o n d e d t h e m o t i o n , a n d i t w a s
u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
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Vice - Chairman Zovak announced that the Planning Commission
had approved, as per recommendation of the staff report,
the QSR but not the car wash, and as amended by the City
Attorney and that there would be a 10 -day appeal period in
which anyone may appeal the decision of the Planning
Commission to the City Council.
8. COMMUNICATIONS: None
9. MATTERS FROM CITY OFFICIALS: None
10. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Vice - Chairman Zovak adjourned
the meeting at 9:15 p.m. The next regularly - scheduled meeting
of the Planning Commission is Tuesday, April 25, 2000 at
7:30 p.m. in the Council Chambers, 5938 Kauffman Avenue, Temple
City.
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