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1 . C A L L T O O R D E R
P L A N N I N G C O M M I S S I O N
M I N U T E S
M A R C H 9 , 2 0 0 4
P u r s u a n t t o t h e A g e n d a p o s t e d M a r c h 4 , 2 0 0 4 , C h a i r m a n L e B e r t h o n c a l l e d t h e
m e e t i n g o f t h e P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n t o o r d e r a t 7 : 3 0 p . m . o n T u e s d a y , M a r c h 9 ,
2 0 0 4 .
2 . P L E D G E O F A L L E G I A N C E T O T H E F L A G
3 . R O L L C A L L
P r e s e n t : C o m m i s s i o n e r s : Y u , S e i b e r t , B l u m , G r i f f i t h s a n d L e B e r t h o n
A l s o P r e s e n t : C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n , C o m m u n i t y D e v e l o p m e n t D i r e c t o r D a w s o n ,
a n d S e n i o r P l a n n e r W i l l i a m s
4 . T I M E F O R T H O S E I N T H E A U D I E N C E W H O W I S H T O S P E A K
5 . C O N S E N T C A L E N D A R :
A . A P P R O V A L O F M I N U T E S F e b r u a r y 2 4 , 2 0 0 4
R E C O M M E N D A T I O N : A P P R O V E A S S U B M I T T E D
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t - M o v e d t o a p p r o v e t h e c o n s e n t c a l e n d a r , s e c o n d e d b y C o m m i s s i o n e r
B l u m a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
6 . U N F I N I S H E D B U S I N E S S : N o n e
7 . N E W B U S I N E S S :
A . P U B L I C H E A R I N G : A C O N D I T I O N A L U S E P E R M I T A N D T E N T A T I V E P A R C E L
M A P T O A L L O W T H E D E V E L O P M E N T O F A
R E S I D E N T I A L C O N D O M I N I U M P R O J E C T W I T H F O U R ( 4 )
D E T A C H E D U N I T S . T H E S U B J E C T P R O P E R T Y I S
L O C A T E D I N T H E M E D I U M D E N S I T Y R E S I D E N T I A L ( R - 2 )
Z O N E .
S I T E : 5 1 0 8 F A R A G O A V E N U E
C A S E N O . : T E N T A T I V E P A R C E L M A P 6 0 8 3 3
C O N D I T I O N A L U S E P E R M I T 0 4 - 1 5 5 1
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OWNER:
MAGGIE ZAHN
420 E. 3RD STREET, #707
LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 91731
ENGINEER: JACK LEE
CAL -LAND ENGINEERING, INC.
576 EAST LAMBERT ROAD
BREA, CALIFORNIA 92821
ARCHITECT: DAPHNE FAN
I.C. & Q. DESIGN & DEVELOPMENT, INC.
13501 TRACY STREET, #B
BALDWIN PARK, CALIFORNIA 91706
RECOMMENDATION: 1) HEAR STAFF REPORT
2) HEAR THOSE FOR AND AGAINST
3) CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT
4) ADOPT RESUOLUTION
Director Dawson — summarized the Staff report dated March 9, 2004.
Vice Chairman Griffiths:— Asked what exactly was grasscrete.
Commissioner Yii — Stated that grasscrete consists of pavers with holes that grass can grow
through. Stated that it was difficult to maintain.
Commissioner Seibert — Asked if the grass median in the middle of the driveway would work
better.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that would work out better and it is easier to maintain.
Director Dawson — Stated that the Fire Department is really insistent upon having 24 — 26
foot wide access way.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked who has a final say as far as design.
Director Dawson — Stated that it would probably come down to negotiations between the
Community Development Department and the Fire Department.
Chairman Le Berthon — Asked if the width of the driveway was determined by the Fire
Department requirements.
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• Director Dawson — Stated that was correct. Stated that with condominium projects, it comes
down to the distance between 20 feet of width and 26 feet of width. Stated that the Zoning
code specifies a 16 -foot width, but the Fire Department wants 26 feet or more. Stated that
with multiple family projects it might be difficult to maintain the strips of concrete with grass in
the middle.
Commissioner Seibert - Stated that the property looks like it has property maintenance
issues and he would like to see a condition added to clean up the property within 30 days.
Director Dawson — Stated that all Code Enforcement violations and all public nuisance
matters must be corrected with 30 days, including abandoned vehicles and weeds, etc.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that regarding the grasscrete or landscaped pavers; who would
make sure that they are provided to the greatest extent possible?
Director Dawson — Stated that it would normally be a Staff responsibility. Stated that a
landscape plan is provided with every proposal. Stated that we work with the Fire
Department on a case -by -case basis.
Chairman 1 e Berthon — Asked Commissioner Yu if he has a notion of what he would like to
see with respect to grasscrete.
IICommissioner Yu — Stated that he would like to see at least six feet of the driveway have
grasscrete.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked if that should be an additional condition.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that the driveway is 24 feet on the plans, so six feet of grass
pavers may not be possible. Stated that maybe we should keep the 2 -foot planter shown on
the plans and ask for 4 -feet of grasscrete.
Commissioner Seibert - Asked where the grasscrete would be added.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that it would be north of the planter strip in order to lessen the
amount of paved area.
Chairman J e Berthon — Asked if it would be better to say four additional feet of grasscrete
somewhere instead of specifying a location.
Commissioner Seibert — Asked Director Dawson where the proposed grasscrete would be
located.
Director Dawson — Stated that it is being looked at next to the landscaping.
1111 Commissioner Blum — Stated that RRM consultant group will be looking at the standards for
this type of thing.
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Commissioner Seibert — Stated that we should require it and let them decide where to put it.
Director Dawson — Stated that in terms of the condition, Staff is comfortable with either
approach and that Commissioner Yu's idea of having it along the existing landscaping is
similar to what Staff had in mind. Stated that having landscaping or grasscete down the
center of the driveway is good for individual homes, but may not work where there is two -way
traffic.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that one additional item is the landscaping. Perhaps there should
be a requirement for two trees for unit, rather than one and there should be some
landscaping at the end of the driveway.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked Director Dawson if that was already specified in the
Resolution.
Director Dawson — Stated that we require a landscape plan but we could adjust the
conditions to get some tall growing foliage so that when we look down the driveway you see
greenery.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked if there are any more questions.
Commissioner Yu — Stated that he as an additional comment. Stated that we should require •
1.5 or 2 trees per unit.
Director Dawson — Stated that currently we require one tree per unit.
Chairman I e Berthon — Opened the Public Hearing.
,lack Lee, 576 Fast 1 amhert Road, Brea - Stated that the plan was drawn up based upon the
reports conducted for the property. Stated that he hopes the Planning Commission can
approve the project.
Commissioner S .ib .rt — Asked Mr. Lee if he understood what the Planning Commission was
discussing relative to the landscaping. Asked if he has read all of the conditions and if the
owner would accept them.
Daphne Fan, 13501 Tracy Street, #B Baldwin Park — Stated that the owner will agree to the
landscaping conditions and work with the City Staff to meet all of the conditions.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked about the requirement for the grasscrete.
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— Stated that would be fine.
Commissioner Seibert — Asked if she had a problem with that.
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Daphne Fan, 13501 Tracy Street, #B Baldwin Park — Stated that she did not but, there would
need to be some sort of irrigation system.
Director Dawson — Asked if the owner was aware of the Code Enforcement issues on the
property.
Daphne Fan, 13501 Tracy Street, #B Baldwin Park — Stated that the property would be
cleaned up.
Commissioner Yu — Asked if they were planning on saving the existing tree in the front.
Jack ", 57L as I amhert Road, Brea — Stated that they would try to save it, if possible.
Commissioner Seibert — Stated that if it can be saved, it would be fine but to make it a
condition could possibly restrict construction of the project.
Senior Planner Williams - Narrated and showed the video.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked if there should still be a condition to save the front yard tree.
Director Dawson — Stated that the condition could be that the tree be saved, unless there is
• strong evidence that it would interfere with the development of the project.
Chairman I e Berthon — Asked if anyone else wanted to speak in favor or against the project.
Commissioner Seibert —Made a motion to close the Public Hearing, seconded by
Commissioner Blum and unanimously carried.
Chairman I e Berthon — Closed the Public Hearing and began discussion.
Director Dawson — Stated that to summarize, condition number two could be modified to say
that at least two trees shall be provided for each dwelling; said trees should be no less than 24
inch box -size, the landscape plan should include fast growing tall shrubs or greenery toward
the terminus of the driveway. Stated that the existing tree in the front of the lot should be
preserved, unless it could be demonstrated that it is impractical. Stated that one last condition
would be that all Code Enforcement violations be corrected within 30 days.
Commissioner Seibert = Stated that he could approve the project with the revised conditions.
Vice Chairman Griffiths — Stated that he concurred.
Commissioner Ytt — Stated that he also concurred.
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Commissioner__Blum — Stated that he also concurred. •
Chairman Le Berthon — Stated that he also concurred.
Commissioner Seibert — Made a motion to approve Tentative Parcel Map 60833 and
Conditional Use Permit 04 -1551 and adopt the draft Resolution based upon the findings and
subject to the conditions of approval, including the additional conditions enumerated by Director
Dawson, seconded by Vice Chairman Griffiths and unanimously carried.
Chairman 1 e Berthon — Stated that the motion carries; the action of the Commission is subject
to a 15 -day appeal /review period.
B. PUBLIC HEARING: A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE ON -SITE
SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES INCLUDING BEER
AND WINE AT AN EXISTING SERVICE STATION AT 5676
ROSEMEAD BOULEVARD
SITE: 5676 ROSEMEAD BOULEVARD
CASE NO.: CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 03 -1544
APPLICANT: TEMPLE CITY MOBIL
VIKEN MANKERIAN
5676 ROSEMEAD BLVD.
TEMPLE CITY, CA 91780
PROPERTY OWNER: MOBIL OIL CORP
P.O. BOX 4973
HOUSTON, TX 77210
RECOMMENDATION: 1) HEAR STAFF REPORT
2) HEAR THOSE FOR AND AGAINST
3) NEGATIVE DECLARATION
4) ADOPT RESOLUTION
Director Dawson — Summarized the Staff report dated March 9, 2004.
Chairman Le Berthon — Opened the Public Hearing.
Viken Mankerian 5676 Rosemead Blvd_, Temple City — Stated that he is the applicant and that
he has a liquor store in Pasadena and has not had any problems there. Stated that based on
his history he does not feel that he will have any problems at this location if he is granted the
Conditional Use Permit. Stated that he will not sell single unit containers and that the products
are intended to be consumed at the customer's home and not on the street.
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P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n
M a r c h 9 , 2 0 0 4
P a g e 7
C h a i r m a n L e B e r t h o n - A s k e d w h a t u n i t s o f b e e r w o u l d b e s o l d .
V i k e n M a n k e r i a n 5 6 7 6 R o s e m e a d B l v d . , T e m p l e C i t y S t a t e d t h a t i t w o u l d b e 6 , 1 2 o r 1 8
p a c k s .
C h a i r m a n L e B e r t h o n - W h a t t y p e s o f w i n e w o u l d b e s o l d a n d a s k e d i f t h e b e e r a n d w i n e
l i c e n s e w e r e t h e s a m e .
V i k e n M a n k e r i a n 5 6 7 6 R o s e m e a d B l v d . , T e m p l e C i t y S t a t e d t h e y a r e t h e s a m e .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n A s k e d w h a t i s d o n e a f t e r 2 : 0 0 a . m . , t o e n s u r e t h a t a l c o h o l i s n o t s o l d .
V i k e n M a n k e r i a n 5 6 7 6 R o s e m e a d B l v d . , T e m p l e C i t y S t a t e d t h a t l o c k s a r e p u t o n t h e c o o l e r
d o o r s ; s t a t e d t h a t t h e y c u r r e n t l y h a v e f i v e w a l k - i n c o o l e r d o o r s a n d p r o b a b l y n o m o r e t h a n o n e
o f t h o s e d o o r s w o u l d b e d e d i c a t e d t o t h e b e e r a n d w i n e s a l e s .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n W h a t a r e t h e h o u r s t h a t A B C r e q u i r e s t h a t t h e r e n o t b e a l c o h o l s o l d ?
V i k e n M a n k e r i a n 5 6 7 6 R o s e m e a d B l v d . , T e m p l e C i t y S t a t e d t h a t i t i s f r o m 2 : 0 0 a . m . 6 : 0 0
a . m . S t a t e d t h a t f r o m 1 0 : 0 0 p . m . t o 6 : 0 0 a . m . , t h e d o o r t o t h e b u i l d i n g i s c l o s e d a n d c u s t o m e r s
h a v e t o u s e t h e n i g h t w i n d o w t o p a y .
C i t y A t t o r n e y M a r t i n A s k e d D i r e c t o r D a w s o n i f t h e S h e r i f f h a s o b j e c t e d .
D i r e c t o r D a w s o n S t a t e d t h a t i n t h i s p a r t i c u l a r c a s e , S t a f f d i d n o t a s k t h e S h e r i f f ' s D e p a r t m e n t .
S t a t e d t h a t h e w a s a w a r e t h a t b e e r a n d w i n e w a s s o l d a t t w o o t h e r s e r v i c e s t a t i o n s i n t h e
i m m e d i a t e v i c i n i t y a n d t h a t t h e r e h a v e n o t b e e n i n c i d e n t r e p o r t s f r o m t h e S h e r i f f s D e p a r t m e n t .
C h a i r m a n I e B e r t h o n A s k e d i f t h e S h e r i f f ' s D e p a r t m e n t i n p u t s h o u l d b e o b t a i n e d b e f o r e
m o v i n g f o r w a r d w i t h t h i s c a s e .
V i c e C h a i r m a n G r i f f i t h s S t a t e d t h a t t h e P l a n n i n g C o m m i s s i o n w e n t t h r o u g h t h i s i s s u e w i t h t h e
a r e a a f e w y e a r s a g o a n d t h e r e w a s a l o t o f d i s c u s s i o n a b o u t t h e n u m b e r o f l i q u o r o u t l e t s i n t h e
a r e a . S t a t e d t h a t o n e o f t h e i s s u e s t h e n w a s t h a t t h e r e w e r e a l r e a d y t o o m a n y p l a c e s t o b u y
b e e r a n d w i n e . S t a t e d t h a t t h e S h e r i f f ' s D e p a r t m e n t w a s i n o n t h e d i s c u s s i o n a t t h a t t i m e , b u t
h e i s n o t s u r e w h a t t h e i r p o s i t i o n w o u l d b e a t t h i s t i m e .
C h a i r m a n I e B e r t h o n A s k e d i f t h e r e i s a n y o n e w h o w i s h e s t o s p e a k a g a i n s t t h e g r a n t i n g o f
t h e C o n d i t i o n a l U s e P e r m i t .
C o m m i s s i o n e r S e i b e r t m a d e a m o t i o n t o c l o s e t h e P u b l i c H e a r i n g , s e c o n d e d b y V i c e
C h a i r m a n G r i f f i t h s a n d u n a n i m o u s l y c a r r i e d .
C h a i r m a n I e B e r t h o n C l o s e d t h e P u b l i c H e a r i n g a n d b e g a n d i s c u s s i o n .
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Commissioner Seibert — Stated that he remembers the discussion a few years ago and still
feels the same way and does not see a need for it in the area. Stated that he is not in favor of
approving this application and that there he cannot make the required finding of public
necessity.
Commissioner Blum — Stated that input from the Sheriff would be helpful and that he would like
to hear it before making a decision.
Chairman 1 e Berthon - Asked if there should be a continuance in order to hear the results of
the Sheriff's Department input. Stated that he would like to have additional input.
Commissioner Yit — Stated that he concurred.
City Attorney Martin — Stated that the motion is to continue this matter in order to get additional
input from the Sheriff's Department and also input from ABC.
Commissioner Seibert — Stated that that was the motion, seconded by Commissioner Griffiths
and unanimously carried.
Director Dawson — Stated that it would be continued to March 23, 2004, with the consent of the
applicant.
8. COMMUNICATIONS: None
9. MATTERS FROM CITY OFFICIALS:
At the meeting of March 2, 2004, the City Council authorized the City Manager to
enter into a contractual agreement with RRM Design Group to complete the residential
design study for all residential zones. It is anticipated that the work will begin shortly
and that the total effort will take approximately six to eight months
10. ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Chairman Le Berthon adjourned t e meeting at 8:20
p.m.
ATTEST:
Secretary
Chairman
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