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Attached is Volume 1 full of William Thrasher. I’m also attaching Marty Minor (mini and full) dated 6/05/13 and found in our .13 case. I will continue to search to make sure we have
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William H. Thrasher, CGFO Vol. I 06-17-2013.fullprint.pdf380468.447149 Thrasher, CGFO, William H. 06-17-2013 Vol. I
· IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 15TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT · · · · IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA · · · · · ·Case No. 502013CA006750XXXXMB AO MARTIN E. O'BOYLE, · · · · · · · Plaintiff,
vs. TOWN OF GULF STREAM, · · · · · · · Defendant. ___________________________X · · · · · · · ·VOLUME I· ·Page 1 to 122 · · · · · · · · · · DEPOSITION OF · · · · · · · WILLIAM H. THRASHER,
CGFO · · · · · ·TAKEN ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF · · · · · · · · · · June 17, 2013 · · · · · · · · 10:30 a.m. - 3:30 p.m. · · · · · · · · · · ·100 Sea Road · · · · · · · · Gulf Stream,
FL 33483 · · · · · Jennifer DiLorenzo, court reporter ·1· · · · · · · · · APPEARANCES OF COUNSEL ·2 ·3· On behalf of the Plaintiff: ·4· · ·COMMERCE GROUP · · · ·BY:· MARTIN E. O'BOYLE,
pro se, and ·5· · ·MARRETT W. HANNA, ATTORNEY-AT-LAW, limited · · · ·appearance ·6· · ·1280 West Newport Center Drive · · · ·Deerfield Beach, FL 33442 ·7· · ·954-570-3505 · · · ·moboyle@commerce-gro
up.com ·8· · ·mhanna@commerce-group.com ·9 · · On behalf of the Defendant: 10 · · · ·JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON & STUBBS, P.A. 11· · ·BY:· JOHN C. RANDOLPH, ESQ. · · · ·505 S. Flagler Drive
12· · ·Suite 1100 · · · ·West Palm Beach, FL 33401 13· · ·561-659-3000 · · · ·jrandolph@jones-foster.com 14 15· ALSO PRESENT: 16· · ·Ryan Witmer and Jonathan O'Boyle, Esq. 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · ·INDEX OF EXAMINATION ·2· WITNESS: ·3· WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page ·4 · · DIRECT EXAMINATION
·5· By Mr. O'Boyle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #6 ·6 ·7· · · · · · · · · · · · · - - ·8· · · · · · · · · · INDEX TO EXHIBITS ·9· Plaintiff's · · · Exhibit· Description· · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · Page 10 · · · · ·1· · ·Notice of Taking Deposition.· · · · · · ·#6 11 · · · · ·2· · ·Subpoena Duces Tecum.· · · · · · · · · · #7 12 · · · · ·3· · ·"Part 1.· Application
Requirements."· · #17 13 · · · · 3A· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #17 14 · · · · 3B· · ·"Town of Gulf Stream Architectural 15· · · · · · ·Review Planning Report."· · ·
· · · · · #17 16· · · 3C· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 17· · · 3D· · ·E-mail and plan.· · · · · · · · · · · · #36 18· · · 3E· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · ·
· · · #36 19· · · 3F· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 20· · · 3G· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 21· · · 3H· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
· #36 22· · · 3I· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 23· · · 3J· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 24· · · 3K· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36
25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · INDEX TO EXHIBITS ·2· Plaintiff's · · · Exhibit· Description· · · · · · · · · · · · · · Page ·3 · · · · 3L· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 ·4
· · · · 3M· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 ·5 · · · · 3N· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 ·6 · · · · 3O· · ·Letter to Martin O'Boyle, May 9, 2013.· #36
·7 · · · · 3P· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #36 ·8 · · · · 3Q· · ·CD.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#36 ·9 · · · · ·4· · ·Records Request 332.· · · · · · · · · ·
#46 10 · · · · ·5· · ·Verified Complaint.· · · · · · · · · · ·#48 11 · · · · ·6· · ·Answer and Affirmative Defenses.· · · · #83 12 · · · · ·7· · ·Motion to Strike Affirmative Defenses.·
#85 13 · · · · ·8· · ·Florida Constitution, Article I, 14· · · · · · ·Section 24.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#54 15· · · ·9· · ·E-mail.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#59 16· · ·
10· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #76 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · INDEX OF EXHIBITS ·2· ·Minor's · · ·Exhibit· Description· · · · · · · · · · · · ·
· Page ·3 · · · · 1· · ·Subpoena Duces Tecum For Deposition.· · #90 ·4 · · · · 2· · ·CD.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#90 ·5 · · · · 3· · ·Records Request 332.· · · · · · · ·
· · #90 ·6 · · · · 4· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 ·7 · · · · 5· · ·E-mail.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#90 ·8 · · · · 6· · ·E-mail.· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
· · ·#90 ·9 · · · · 7· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 10 · · · ·8A· · ·Cover sheet, "3211 N. Ocean Boulevard 11· · · · · · Subpoenaed Documents."· · · · · · · · · #90
12· · ·8B· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 13· · ·8C· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 14· · ·8D· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 15· · ·8E·
· ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 16· · ·8F· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 17· · ·8G· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 18· · ·8H· · ·E-mails.·
· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 19· · ·8I· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 20· · ·8J· · ·E-mails.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 21· · ·8K· · ·E-mails.· · · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · #90 22· · ·8L· · ·Plan.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·#90 23· · · 9· · ·ARPB Report.· · · · · · · · · · · · · · #90 24 · · · · ·(All Exhibits were attached
to the original 25· transcript and copies of the transcript.) ·1· · · · ·Deposition of WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO ·2· · · · · · · · · · · June 17, 2013 ·3 ·4· · · · · · ·THE REPORTER:·
Do you swear the testimony ·5· · · ·you're about to give will be the truth, the ·6· · · ·whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help ·7· · · ·you God? ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:·
I do. ·9· · · · · · · · · · · ·----------10· · · · · · ·WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO, having been 11· · · ·first duly sworn, was examined and testified as 12· · · ·follows: 13· · · · ·
· · · · · DIRECT EXAMINATION 14· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, my name is Martin O'Boyle and I 16· am a pro se Plaintiff in a action styled, "Martin O'Boyle 17· vs. the
Town of Gulf Stream"; are you familiar with that 18· action? 19· · · ·A.· · Yes. 20· · · ·Q.· · This morning you are here for a deposition and 21· we have provided a Notice of the Taking
of Deposition, 22· and I'm going to ask the court reporter to mark it, show 23· it to you, and ask if you've seen it before. 24· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 was marked for 25·
· · ·identification.) ·1· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·2· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And how did you come to see it, Mr. ·3· Thrasher? ·4· · · ·A.· · It was provided to me.· I don't remember ·5· exactly.
·6· · · ·Q.· · Was it provided to you by someone in the ·7· building, Mr. Randolph? ·8· · · ·A.· · I believe somebody in the building. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And here is a second subpoena,
this is 10· duces tecum, I'm going to ask the court reporter to mark 11· this. 12· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 was marked for 13· · · ·identification.) 14· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15·
· · ·Q.· · Have you seen that document which is marked 16· "Plaintiff's 2" before? 17· · · ·A.· · Yes. 18· · · ·Q.· · And how did you come to see that document? 19· · · ·A.· · Same
manner. 20· · · ·Q.· · Now, that document requires you to produce 21· certain documents; have you produced those documents? 22· · · ·A.· · Yes. 23· · · ·Q.· · Now, you've just slid
me over some paperwork 24· with a black clip and a CD; is that correct? 25· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And would these documents that you've ·2· just given me be fully responsive
to the request for ·3· documents in Plaintiff's Exhibit 2? ·4· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·5· · · ·Q.· · By the way, have you ever been deposed before? ·6· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Can you
give me some background as to how many ·8· times and in connection with what? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· May I -- Excuse me, going 10· · · ·back to your question, when you referred
to 11· · · ·Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 what did you mean?· When 12· · · ·you asked if they were fully responsive to what 13· · · ·was requested in Plaintiff's Exhibit 2, will you 14· · ·
·define for the witness what Plaintiff's 15· · · ·Exhibit 2 was?· I'm not sure. 16· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Sure. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RUDOLPH:· I want to make sure he 18· · · ·understands
the question. 19· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· May I? 20· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · ·Q.· · Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 is a Subpoena Duces 22· Tecum for deposition and it is requiring you to bring
any 23· reports or writings of any kind authored by Martin Minor 24· or William Thrasher which relate in any way to the 25· premises known as 3211 North Ocean Boulevard, Gulf ·1· Stream,
Florida. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RUDOLPH:· Okay.· Thank you.· Just so ·3· · · ·you know, I didn't know whether you were ·4· · · ·referring to the Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 you've ·5· · · ·had
marked for deposition or to some other ·6· · · ·document that might have been attached to your ·7· · · ·Complaint. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I understand. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
I wanted to clarify that. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Thank you for clearing that 11· · · ·up. 12· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · ·Q.· · Would you kindly answer my question? 14· · · ·A.·
· Could you repeat it? 15· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Ms. Court Reporter, can you 16· · · ·read it back? 17· · · · · (The requested portion was read back.) 18· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · ·
·Q.· · The documents which you slid over to me which 20· are in a black clip, and there is a CD or a DVD in a 21· white envelope, are these documents fully responsive to 22· all of
the documents requested on Plaintiff's Exhibit 2? 23· · · ·A.· · I believe I've answered that. 24· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 25· · · · · · ·MR. RUDOLPH:· He's trying to recreate the ·1· · ·
·record, why don't you go ahead? ·2· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· You were going to tell us about your ·4· depositions in the past. ·5· · · ·A.· · I've had no depositions while
employed by ·6· the Town of Gulf Stream and I - my memory probably is ·7· not going to serve me correctly, so I - I don't ·8· remember exactly. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, I appreciate
you sharing that 10· with me, but I would like an answer to my question. 11· · · ·A.· · What's your question again? 12· · · ·Q.· · My question is - we'll start at the top 13· you've
been deposed before? 14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· About how many times have you been 16· deposed? 17· · · ·A.· · You're asking me to guess? 18· · · ·Q.· · Your best recollection.
19· · · ·A.· · Two. 20· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And how long ago were you deposed? 21· · · ·A.· · Twenty to thirty years ago. 22· · · ·Q.· · And the two depositions, were they in 23· connection
with the same matter or different matters? 24· · · ·A.· · If I remember correctly, they were two 25· separate matters. ·1· · · ·Q.· · And what type of matters would they have been?
·2· · · ·A.· · Wrongful death claim. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? ·4· · · ·A.· · I believe a wrongful death claim -·5· · · ·Q.· · Yes. ·6· · · ·A.· · -- and a condemnation, FDOT. ·7· · ·
·Q.· · I see.· And were you the plaintiff, defendant, ·8· or a witness? ·9· · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't remember. 10· · · ·Q.· · What state did it occur? 11· · · ·A.· · Florida.
12· · · ·Q.· · Were you represented by counsel? 13· · · ·A.· · Yes. 14· · · ·Q.· · Can you tell me who the counsel was? 15· · · ·A.· · I don't remember. 16· · · ·Q.· · You don't remember
the counsel on either of 17· the cases? 18· · · ·A.· · I don't remember. 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· By the way, as we go through this 20· deposition I may say things, ask you a question
that you 21· may find unclear, should that be the case I would ask you 22· to please ask me to explain it and make sure that before 23· you answer the question that you're clear on
what the 24· question is. 25· · · ·A.· · I'll try to remember that. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· I would hope that you would have a ·2· memory span long enough to remember that. ·3· · · ·A.·
· No comment. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· If during the course of the deposition ·5· you need to use the facilities, you'll just say so and of ·6· course we'll take a few minute break to
allow you to do ·7· that, and you need not make a comment. ·8· · · ·A.· · Could you repeat that? ·9· · · ·Q.· · I said if during the course of this deposition 10· you have to use the
facilities, just tell us and we'll 11· take a break so that you can do that, and you need not 12· make a comment. 13· · · ·A.· · I understand. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· As far as the process
for the 15· deposition, do you have any questions that I can answer 16· that would help you in understanding what we're doing 17· here today? 18· · · ·A.· · No. 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.·
Mr. Thrasher, how old are you? 20· · · ·A.· · I was -- I'll be 66 in August. 21· · · ·Q.· · And are you a Floridian through and through or 22· did you come from another state? 23· ·
· ·A.· · No. 24· · · ·Q.· · No, you didn't come from another state? 25· · · ·A.· · I'm not a Floridian through and through. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Where did you come from? ·2· · · ·A.·
· Iowa. ·3· · · ·Q.· · When did you come to Florida? ·4· · · ·A.· · 1968. ·5· · · ·Q.· · And what brought you here? ·6· · · ·A.· · Personal matter. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Such as? ·8· · · ·A.·
· I got married. ·9· · · ·Q.· · So your purpose in coming to Florida was to be 10· married? 11· · · ·A.· · Yes. 12· · · ·Q.· · Your job history, can you take me from 1968 to 13· today?
14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Would you? 16· · · ·A.· · Part-time employment. 17· · · ·Q.· · That wouldn't have been with the dentist, 18· would it? 19· · · ·A.· · No. 20·
· · ·Q.· · Because it seems like this is dentistry that 21· we're going through today. 22· · · ·A.· · No comment. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 24· BY MR. O'BOYLE:
25· · · ·Q.· · Part-time employment, can you expand on that? ·1· · · ·A.· · Cabinetry work. ·2· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. ·3· · · ·A.· · Cabinetry work -·4· · · ·Q.·
· And -- Go ahead, I'm sorry. ·5· · · ·A.· · -- delivery person, K-Mart salesperson. ·6· · · ·Q.· · These were all at the same time? ·7· · · ·A.· · I had more than one job, yes. ·8·
· · ·Q.· · These were all at the same time? ·9· · · ·A.· · Same period. 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, let's start with the cabinetry; 11· when did you start there, who was the company,
where were 12· they located?· I'll ask them one at a time, but I want to 13· give you a sense.· When did you start there? 14· · · ·A.· · I don't remember exactly, approximately 15·
'68. 16· · · ·Q.· · And who was the company? 17· · · ·A.· · Don't remember the name, the owner was 18· Fremont Cavanaugh. 19· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry? 20· · · ·A.· · I don't remember the
name of the business; 21· the employer was Fremont Cavanaugh. 22· · · ·Q.· · And your role? 23· · · ·A.· · Sander. 24· · · ·Q.· · And you departed? 25· · · ·A.· · I graduated from college.
·1· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry, what year did you resign, leave? ·2· · · ·A.· · It was a part-time job.· I don't remember ·3· when I left. ·4· · · ·Q.· · About how long were you there? ·5·
· · ·A.· · Off and on a couple years. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Going back to Plaintiff's Exhibit 2 and the ·7· documents that you produced, where did those documents ·8· come from? ·9· · · ·A.·
· Town clerk. 10· · · ·Q.· · Without trying to put words in your mouth, my 11· recollection is that you said that all that is here in 12· this pile with the black clip and the DVD with
the white 13· envelope were responsive to Plaintiff's Exhibit 2, which 14· is the Subpoena Duces Tecum For Deposition; am I correct? 15· · · ·A.· · Yes. 16· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· How do
you know that? 17· · · ·A.· · To the best of my ability, I looked for 18· such documents.· I believe that they have been 19· provided to you. 20· · · ·Q.· · Did I miss it or a moment
ago didn't you say 21· that the documents came from the town clerk? 22· · · ·A.· · The copies came from the town clerk, yes. 23· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 24· · · ·A.· · This particular stack.
25· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? ·1· · · ·A.· · This stack that I provided you. ·2· · · ·Q.· · So just so I'm clear, you provided all of the ·3· documents to the town clerk, correct?· And when
I say, ·4· "all of the documents," all of the documents in this pile ·5· here with the black clip that was in response to ·6· Plaintiff's Exhibit 2, the Subpoena Duces Tecum. ·7· ·
· ·A.· · No. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Can you explain? ·9· · · ·A.· · This stack of documents was provided from 10· Marty Minor to our town clerk, excluding my staff 11· report as it relates
to the subject property and one 12· other e-mail, I asked her to provide that to me. 13· · · ·Q.· · Can you pull those two documents out of there? 14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· ·
Would you? 16· · · ·A.· · (The witness complied.) 17· · · ·Q.· · Oh, I'm sorry. 18· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Ms. Court Reporter, do you 19· · · ·want to mark these since they came out
of 20· · · ·Exhibit 2; do you want to mark them "2A" and 21· · · ·"2B"? 22· · · · · · ·Skip, any objection? 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No objection. 24· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibits
2A and 2B were 25· · · ·marked for identification.) ·1· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, what you have handed me, I'm ·3· going to ask if you don't mind to put that black
clip ·4· back on so that we don't somehow -·5· · · ·A.· · (The witness complied.) ·6· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, the court reporter has just ·7· marked two documents from Exhibit -·8·
· · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.) ·9· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibits 3, 3A, and 3B were 10· · · ·marked for identification.) 11· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher,
I apologize, we were just off 13· the record correcting a ministerial item, and that is the 14· documents you produced pursuant to the Subpoena Duces 15· Tecum, which is Plaintiff's
Exhibit 2, we had those 16· documents or the entire group of documents marked as 17· "Exhibit 3" and the two documents which you had pulled 18· out we have marked them as "Exhibit 3A"
and "3B" instead 19· of "2A" and "2B." 20· · · · · · ·Those two documents can best be described 21· and of course if you can describe them better, that's 22· fine with me - as an e-mail
that was printed by Bill 23· Thrasher from Benjamin Schreier, dated May 28, 2013 at 24· 2:19 p.m., and it's addressed to Bill Thrasher, and below 25· that there are probably four or
five e-mails, and that ·1· would be Plaintiff's Exhibit 3A. ·2· · · · · · ·In addition, you provided a document entitled, ·3· "Town of Gulf Stream Architectural Review and Planning
·4· Report," and that is 3B that has been marked "3B." ·5· · · · · · ·Tell us again, if you don't mind, and you can ·6· do it one at a time, how you came across each of those ·7· documents.
·8· · · ·A.· · Exhibit 3B is my staff report provided to ·9· the Boards and Commission, the -10· · · ·Q.· · Excuse me, you said, "provided to something 11· and the Commission." 12·
· · ·A.· · The ARPB. 13· · · ·Q.· · I see. 14· · · ·A.· · Architectural Review and Planning Board 15· for their review and to the Town Commission with the 16· exception in the area
following the different types 17· of action a decision of the Board and Commission was 18· modified to reflect those decisions. 19· · · ·Q.· · So let me make sure I understand, and
I think 20· I do, the document went to the ARPB, their decision was 21· then inserted on the document and then it went to the 22· Commission, and that was the only change - the insertion
23· of their decision. 24· · · ·A.· · Yes. 25· · · ·Q.· · Now, referring again to Exhibit 3B, would it ·1· be correct to say that all of the insertions -- And when ·2· I say, "insertions,"
there seems to be headings, and I ·3· assume they're boilerplate headings; would that be ·4· correct? ·5· · · ·A.· · No. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So what I'm talking about, boilerplate
·7· headings are on the left side in bold and are you saying ·8· they're not boilerplate headings? ·9· · · ·A.· · In my opinion, they are not. 10· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 11· · · ·A.· ·
No. 12· · · ·Q.· · No, they're not? 13· · · ·A.· · (Witness shakes head.) 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Can you show me which ones are not? 15· · · ·A.· · Those listed are often used, but not
16· necessarily applicable based on the type of 17· application. 18· · · ·Q.· · But they are boilerplate, meaning they're on 19· the form? 20· · · ·A.· · If you are asking me if they're
on the 21· form, the answer is, yes. 22· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· That's what I'm asking you.· Thank you. 23· · · · · · ·And besides the boilerplate or the on-the-form 24· writings, everything
else on this report you generated? 25· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Did you have the input of anyone in filling it ·2· out? ·3· · · ·A.· · I had input. ·4· · · ·Q.· · That was not
my question. ·5· · · ·A.· · Could you repeat the question? ·6· · · ·Q.· · Sure.· Let me just repeat the question:· Who ·7· did you have input from in completing that form? ·8· · · ·A.·
· Rita, town clerk. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 10· · · ·A.· · Rita, town clerk. 11· · · ·Q.· · Where did Rita, the town clerk, assist you in 12· completing that form? 13· · · ·A.· · Reviewing
my recommendations and report. 14· · · ·Q.· · Did she change it? 15· · · ·A.· · No. 16· · · ·Q.· · So she didn't assist you in completing the 17· form, she assisted you in reviewing
the form. 18· · · ·A.· · That's valuable assistance and input. 19· · · ·Q.· · Is Rita qualified to do that? 20· · · ·A.· · Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · And what makes her qualified? 22· · ·
·A.· · Her background, her experience, her desire 23· to serve the Town and the residents, her 24· intelligence, and her work ethic. 25· · · ·Q.· · You went a little fast for me:· Background,
·1· experience, desire to serve the Town -·2· · · ·A.· · And residents. ·3· · · ·Q.· · -- intelligence, and I think I missed one or ·4· two more. ·5· · · ·A.· · Work ethic. ·6· · ·
·Q.· · Work ethic? ·7· · · ·A.· · I must have been rambling, I don't ·8· remember others. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What does work ethic have to do with 10· filling out that form or reviewing
that form or providing 11· input on that form? 12· · · ·A.· · Nothing filling it out.· Reviewing it and 13· providing input.· It is an indication to me that she 14· will provide adequate,
complete, and thorough 15· evaluation of my work product. 16· · · ·Q.· · But she has to know how.· As an example, I 17· think I have a good work ethic, but I could never build a 18·
cyclotron in my backyard, nor could I give input or 19· advice. 20· · · ·A.· · I have nothing further to add. 21· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 22· · · ·A.· · I have nothing further to add. 23·
· · ·Q.· · Okay.· In connection with Rita's work ethic, 24· that's a sort of a broad nebulous term; what does it mean 25· to you? ·1· · · ·A.· · I thought I answered that. ·2· · · ·Q.·
· You may answer. ·3· · · ·A.· · I said I thought I answered that. ·4· · · ·Q.· · And I said you may answer. ·5· · · ·A.· · I have nothing further to add. ·6· · · ·Q.· · What work ethic
means?· If you would like, the ·7· court reporter can read back. ·8· · · ·A.· · I would like that. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 10· · · · · (The requested portion was read back.) 11· · · ·A.·
· I have nothing further to add. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Mr. Randolph, would you 13· · · ·instruct the witness to answer the question? 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· All I can instruct
him to 15· · · ·do is to answer to the best of his ability.· If 16· · · ·he feels that he has been responsive to your 17· · · ·question, then I can't force him to say anything 18· ·
· ·more than that. 19· · · · · · ·I mean, the question that's posed to you, 20· · · ·Mr. Thrasher, is:· What does work ethic mean to 21· · · ·you? 22· · · ·A.· · Is that your question?
23· · · ·Q.· · Yes. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I believe that was his 25· · · ·question. ·1· · · ·A.· · Work ethic to me means the sincerity in ·2· which a person performs their
job responsibilities. ·3· · · ·Q.· · So, in your opinion, Rita is sincere? ·4· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·5· · · ·Q.· · And how does being sincere qualify one for ·6· reviewing a report for a
Planning Commission and a Town ·7· Commission, a report that is hundreds of pages and is ·8· full of, in my opinion, legalese? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I would like to raise an
10· · · ·objection at this point and just indicate that I 11· · · ·do not see how the question is reasonably 12· · · ·calculated to lead to discoverable evidence in 13· · · ·this particular
case. 14· · · · · · ·We're here on a public records request to 15· · · ·determine whether or not public records have 16· · · ·been provided in accordance to law, whether 17· · · ·there's
been an overcharge, whether or not they 18· · · ·should have been provided electronically, and 19· · · ·it's difficult for me to determine how this 20· · · ·particular question relates
to admissible 21· · · ·evidence. 22· · · · · · ·I would just ask, and I understand you 23· · · ·have some latitude here and we're really only 24· · · ·into background questions at this
particular 25· · · ·time, but I don't see show that's calculated to ·1· ·lead to discoverable evidence in this case. ·2· · · · ·At some point I will ask you to try to get ·3· ·into
what is discoverable in this case as ·4· ·opposed to asking questions which seem, at least ·5· ·to me, to be unrelated at this time, but I ·6· ·wanted to raise that in the event these
kinds of ·7· ·questions continue, so I'm just stating that for ·8· ·the record at this particular point in time. ·9· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, I appreciate that, Mr. 10· ·Randolph,
but I think we can probably move 11· ·things along a little bit quicker if you would 12· ·just make an objection to the extent that you 13· ·wish to make an objection and we move on.
14· · · · ·The filibusters are great for the 15· ·Congress, but I don't think we need them here 16· ·this morning. 17· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, this is not 18· ·filibuster.· I'm
just trying to explain to you 19· ·as a reasonable person that if this deposition 20· ·gets to the point that there are numerous 21· ·questions which I do not believe are reasonably
22· ·calculated to lead to admissible evidence we'll 23· ·have to terminate the deposition and let the 24· ·Court rule on it, so I just wanted to advise you 25· ·of that in the event
that these kinds of ·1· · · ·questions continue. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Thank you. ·3· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · ·Q.· · You may answer. ·5· · · ·A.· · Repeat the question. ·6· ·
· · · (The requested portion was read back.) ·7· · · ·A.· · I don't understand your question in ·8· association with hundreds of pages of reports and ·9· legalese. 10· · · ·Q.· · I
think either I said it wrong, Mr. Thrasher, 11· or the court reporter got it wrong.· I was saying that 12· the report emanates from the Gulf Stream Code, which is 13· hundreds of pages,
and how one who is sincere could have 14· the ability to review and provide input - that was my 15· question. 16· · · ·A.· · I did not realize you were referring to 17· our Gulf Stream
manual. 18· · · ·Q.· · But now you do. 19· · · ·A.· · I do.· In order for a person to be 20· sincere, I believe that person has to be brutally 21· honest, and I believe that Rita is
brutally honest as 22· it relates to reviewing my reports based on her 23· history with the Town of Gulf Stream and hearing such 24· reports provided to the various Boards. 25· · ·
·Q.· · With all due respect, I know a lot of people ·1· that are brutally honest, but I don't know whether or not ·2· I would - and I believe I have a lot of experience - I ·3· would
trust them to review the Town Code, to review your ·4· report which emanates from the Town Code.· I don't see ·5· the nexus -·6· · · ·A.· · I understand. ·7· · · ·Q.· · -- can you help
me out? ·8· · · ·A.· · I understand. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm going to object to the 10· · · ·form of the question because I don't believe it 11· · · ·corresponds to the witness's
answer.· He did not 12· · · ·indicate that she had reviewed this report 13· · · ·simply because she was sincere and because she 14· · · ·was brutally honest.· He gave you a lengthy
list 15· · · ·of qualifications for her to review the report. 16· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · ·Q.· · Well, Mr. Thrasher, I apologize because the 18· lengthy list of qualifications, I missed
them.· I do know 19· that you said that she is brutally honest and I know you 20· said - these are my words, not yours - that she's been 21· around for a while. 22· · · ·A.· · I understand
what you're stating. 23· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And does brutally honest and being 24· around for a while, does that give one the capabilities 25· to provide input or to review a report
which is akin to ·1· 3B? ·2· · · ·A.· · Exclusively, no. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Non-exclusively? ·4· · · ·A.· · It would be part and parcel. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Part and parcel of what? ·6· · ·
·A.· · What would qualify her to do so. ·7· · · ·Q.· · What would be non-exclusively and part and ·8· parcel that would qualify her to do so?· You lost me. ·9· · · ·A.· · I believe
I've answered that.· I have 10· nothing further to add. 11· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, I don't think you have answered 12· that, so we'll stick with it for a while. 13· · · · · · ·What
are Ms. Taylor's qualifications in 14· planning and zoning matters? 15· · · ·A.· · Her experience, her understanding of the 16· Code, her assistance in developing the Code, her 17·
ability to articulate and decipher the Code. 18· · · ·Q.· · I didn't write down as quickly as you talked. 19· I wrote "understanding" and "deciphering." 20· · · ·A.· · Maybe she could
help you.· I'm sorry, 21· maybe the stenographer could help you. 22· · · · · (The requested portion was read back.) 23· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you. 24· · · · · · ·THE REPORTER:·
You're welcome. 25· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·1· · · ·Q.· · How and when did she gain all of these levels ·2· of proficiency? ·3· · · ·A.· · That's unknown to me. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Was it magic?
·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the ·6· · · ·question. ·7· · · ·A.· · No. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Did she take college courses? ·9· · · ·A.· · No. 10· · · ·Q.· · Did you
teach her? 11· · · ·A.· · No. 12· · · ·Q.· · Did the code fairy teach her? 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· And 14· · · ·again, without filibustering, I'm going to
raise 15· · · ·my concern about questions that are not 16· · · ·calculated to lead to discovery in this 17· · · ·particular case, and I would ask you to move on 18· · · ·in this deposition
to those matters which are 19· · · ·the subject of this deposition.· It's reasonable 20· · · ·to ask the background and experience of people 21· · · ·in the beginning of your deposition,
but I 22· · · ·believe you've gone beyond that. 23· · · · · · ·The question was, "Did the tooth fairy do 24· · · ·this?" and I objected to the form.· You can 25· · · ·answer. ·1· ·
· ·A.· · I have no idea what you're talking about. ·2· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· She has an understanding, I don't want ·3· to put words in your mouth, but I think you said a keen ·4· understanding
of the Code, and the Code being what I'm ·5· going to refer to as the "Town of Gulf Stream, Florida, ·6· Land Development Regulations Book; we call it, "The Red ·7· Book," some people
it call it "The Code." ·8· · · ·A.· · Is there a question? ·9· · · ·Q.· · Yes. 10· · · ·A.· · What is it? 11· · · ·Q.· · Where did she gain the understanding? 12· · · ·A.· · I've answered
the question. 13· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Can you answer it again? 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· May I ask the court reporter 16· · · ·to repeat my answer? 17·
· · · · (The requested portion was read back.) 18· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Mr. Thrasher, I would ask 19· · · ·you to the best of your ability to answer the 20· · · ·question even
though you think you've answered 21· · · ·it before. 22· · · · · · ·The question is, "Where did she gain the 23· · · ·ability to decipher and interpret the Code?" or 24· · · ·something
like that - your question was 25· · · ·something like that. ·1· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · ·Q.· · Where did she gain the understanding of the ·3· Code? ·4· · · ·A.· · I have no way of
answering that question. ·5· I don't know where she got the understanding, she ·6· just has it. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Okay.· That's your answer, ·8· · · ·I guess. ·9· BY MR.
O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. 11· · · ·A.· · I said I do not know where she gained the 12· understanding, I just know that she has it. 13· · · ·Q.· · Okay.·
Have you seen her studying the Code 14· book? 15· · · ·A.· · Yes. 16· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Has she made inquiry to you on sections 17· of the Code book? 18· · · ·A.· · Yes. 19· · · ·Q.·
· Okay.· So would it be correct to say that she 20· believes that you have a higher level of understanding 21· with regard to the Code book or the Code than she does in 22· her eyes?
23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· The 24· · · ·same objection as stated earlier, outside the 25· · · ·scope of this deposition. ·1· · · · · · ·Do you understand the
question? ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Wasn't the question ·4· · · ·something like, Do you believe that in her mind ·5· · · ·she believes that she
has a better understanding ·6· · · ·than you of the Code book; was it similar to ·7· · · ·that? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes, it was the opposite, ·9· · · ·Mr. Randolph. 10· BY
MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · ·Q.· · Since she comes to you, makes inquiry about 12· the Code book, would it be fair to say that she believes 13· that your level of understanding of the Code
book would 14· be higher than hers? 15· · · ·A.· · No. 16· · · ·Q.· · Would she believe that it would be lower than 17· hers? 18· · · ·A.· · No. 19· · · ·Q.· · Would she believe it
would be the same as 20· hers? 21· · · ·A.· · No. 22· · · ·Q.· · You don't leave me much choice. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I guess maybe a question 24· · · ·is:· Do you know what
her belief is in that 25· · · ·regard?· I can't ask your question for you. ·1· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · ·Q.· · Do you know what her belief is in that regard? ·3· · · ·A.· · No. ·4· ·
· ·Q.· · Okay.· Deciphering the Code, give me an ·5· example of her deciphering the Code. ·6· · · ·A.· · I don't have an example for you. ·7· · · ·Q.· · But you know that she can decipher
the Code. ·8· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you remember what year it was when 10· she deciphered the Code in your presence or whether it be 11· telephonically, visually?
12· · · ·A.· · What year? 13· · · ·Q.· · Yes. 14· · · ·A.· · Every year I've been here. 15· · · ·Q.· · Oh, so you do know when.· You said a moment 16· ago you didn't know when. 17·
· · ·A.· · But I don't know an exact date. 18· · · ·Q.· · I didn't ask you for an exact date. 19· · · ·A.· · Okay.· Well, then I've provided you an 20· answer. 21· · · ·Q.· · Okay.·
So every year since you've been here, 22· did you say? 23· · · ·A.· · Yes. 24· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So you've been here 17 years; am I 25· correct in that? ·1· · · ·A.· · Since April '96.
·2· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So -·3· · · ·A.· · I don't know what that math is. ·4· · · ·Q.· · You don't know -·5· · · ·A.· · No. ·6· · · ·Q.· · -- April '96 to June of 2012, how many years
·7· that is? ·8· · · ·A.· · No. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Do you want to take a minute and just think 10· about it? 11· · · ·A.· · No. 12· · · ·Q.· · You don't want to take a minute? 13· · · ·A.·
· No. 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The record is clear.· The 15· · · ·calendar will tell us how many years.· He told 16· · · ·you when he came here and you know what today's 17· ·
· ·date is, so there's no point in pushing forward 18· · · ·with that. 19· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· It's just showing the 20· · · ·resistance of the witness, Mr. Randolph.· It 21· ·
· ·would not take much thought.· A third grader 22· · · ·could figure that out in probably less than 10 23· · · ·seconds. 24· · · · · · ·Mr. Thrasher is obviously looking to 25· · ·
·disrupt this deposition and I think that's clear ·1· ·and concise evidence of his intentions and I ·2· ·think it's been since the moment we've started ·3· ·it and I think he has now
shown us the high ·4· ·point of it.· Hopefully the high points won't ·5· ·continue to grow and hopefully he'll be much ·6· ·more cooperative. ·7· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I disagree with
your ·8· ·characterization of the witness.· I don't think ·9· ·he's trying to disrupt this deposition.· I think 10· ·he's trying to answer the questions to the best 11· ·of his ability.
12· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, that's your opinion. 13· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, yes, it is, and 14· ·that's why I stated it.· I stated it as an 15· ·opinion. 16· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
And that's fine. 17· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· But I -18· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I've stated mine as an 19· ·opinion. 20· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I think part of the problem 21· ·here is the
questions that are being asked do 22· ·not relate to evidence that's discoverable in 23· ·this particular public records case, and I would 24· ·just ask you to move on in regard to
what you 25· ·deem is discoverable in this case. ·1· · · · · · ·You might want to explain to me how the ·2· · · ·ability of the clerk to interpret the Code ·3· · · ·relates to this
case. ·4· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· Excuse me. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· May I request a break? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Sure. ·7· · · · · · · · · · ·(Short break.) ·8· · · · ·
· ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Back on the record. ·9· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I was asking you some questions 11· about Ms. Taylor's qualifications, generally stated, as 12·
it applied to the document 3B, that would be Plaintiff's 13· Exhibit 3B.· I believe that you said that she reviewed or 14· gave you input and so forth into it, correct? 15· · · ·A.·
· She reviewed it for me, yes. 16· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did Marty Minor review it for you? 17· · · ·A.· · No. 18· · · ·Q.· · He never saw it? 19· · · ·A.· · Prior to the meeting he never
saw it, no. 20· · · ·Q.· · Prior to the meeting, which meeting would that 21· be? 22· · · ·A.· · ARPB. 23· · · ·Q.· · How about prior to the commissioners' meeting? 24· · · ·A.· · I
-- I don't have -- I don't know.· I 25· don't know.· I think he has seen it because I know he ·1· had seen it from the - his deposition, but I think he ·2· answered that's the first
time he saw it actually at ·3· his deposition, that's -·4· · · ·Q.· · Did you read his deposition? ·5· · · ·A.· · No, I did not. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Then how'd you know what you just said,
that ·7· he -·8· · · ·A.· · Well, I was sitting here. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Oh, yes, yes, that's right you were, that's 10· right.· Okay. 11· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Plaintiff's Exhibit 3,
which 12· · · ·is this group of papers and the disc, could I 13· · · ·impose upon the court reporter to designate them 14· · · ·beginning with 3C? 15· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibits
3C to 3Q were marked 16· · · ·for identification.) 17· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Back on the record. 18· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, the court reporter just marked 20·
each of the documents as opposed to the pages, each of 21· the documents that you supplied this morning in response 22· to the Subpoena Duces Tecum, which I believe was 23· Plaintiff's
Exhibit 2, and now we have in front of you I 24· should say a pile of those documents all with different 25· and separate designations. ·1· · · · · · ·I guess here's my first question:·
I was ·2· watching TV last night and I heard somebody use the ·3· phrase, "that's been doctored"; have you ever heard that ·4· phrase? ·5· · · ·A.· · Yes. ·6· · · ·Q.· · What does that
mean? ·7· · · ·A.· · Something that has been altered with a ·8· negative connotation. ·9· · · ·Q.· · When I was a child, I was 18, I worked in a 10· container factory and we had a process
where you start 11· off with paper, it's rolled up, then it's cut into the 12· container size, and then there are rings and bands put on 13· it, then it's put into a crimping machine,
and right on 14· down the line a bottom is put in and so forth and when 15· all done it's a container, the type you have in a gas 16· station that might have soap in it, the cardboard
kind, 17· so there's a process, there's a manufacturing process. 18· · · · · · ·When it comes to public records, what's the 19· manufacturing process here? 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Object to the form.· Do you 21· · · ·know what he means? 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Not really. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He told you at the 24· · · ·beginning of the -25· · ·
·A.· · Manufacturing, it sounds as though - ·1· · · ·Q.· · I shouldn't have used "manufacturing." ·2· · · · · · ·What is the process from when the request for ·3· a record comes into
the door to it ends up going out of ·4· the door? ·5· · · · · · ·(Mr. Jonathan O'Boyle entered.) ·6· · · ·A.· · The individual requests public records, in ·7· our specific instance
to the custodian of the ·8· records, and we are to respond as soon as possible in ·9· a - I've lost the expression I'm looking for, the 10· as soon as possible, and I can't recall what
the 11· statute says, but as soon as possible in a normal 12· course of business, something of that nature, but as 13· soon as possible. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The Public Records Law,
what law would 15· that be? 16· · · ·A.· · Maybe -- I -- I would state Chapter 119. 17· I'm not sure. 18· · · ·Q.· · And Chapter 119 gives the public the right to 19· obtain public
records, save the exceptions that are 20· provided, the exceptions or exemptions provided within 21· the statute; would that be a fair statement? 22· · · ·A.· · Yes. 23· · · ·Q.· ·
Tell me what you know about the common law 24· Right to Know. 25· · · ·A.· · I don't know any more than I've stated, ·1· that it's a powerful provision according to anybody ·2· to have
access to public records. ·3· · · ·Q.· · As an example, is it possible that someone ·4· might not be entitled to a record under Chapter 119 but ·5· entitled to it under the common law
right? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. ·7· · · ·A.· · I -- I don't know.· I just know that we ·8· are to respond as quickly as possible, that it's a ·9· powerful law,
and the public has the right to the 10· records. 11· · · ·Q.· · Now, when you say, "to the records," to -12· · · ·A.· · Public -13· · · ·Q.· · -- which? 14· · · ·A.· · -- records. 15·
· · ·Q.· · All public records? 16· · · ·A.· · Except for those that are exempted.· I 17· don't know what those would be, but I would have 18· clarity from our attorney. 19· · · ·Q.·
· Okay. 20· · · ·A.· · My first instinct was to provide them. 21· · · ·Q.· · Now, of late you've dealt with some public 22· record requests, have you not? 23· · · ·A.· · Some. 24· ·
· ·Q.· · Have you personally dealt with them? 25· · · ·A.· · Some. ·1· · · ·Q.· · What would distinguish you personally dealing ·2· with them versus you not dealing with them? ·3· ·
· ·A.· · The custodian of the records would receive ·4· the public record request and distribute or request ·5· from the applicable person those records. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Those records?
·7· · · ·A.· · Public -·8· · · ·Q.· · I'm not -·9· · · ·A.· · Public records. 10· · · ·Q.· · When you say, "the applicable person," are you 11· talking about the requestor? 12· · ·
·A.· · No, the person that is identified in the 13· public records request by the requestor. 14· · · ·Q.· · That would be the Town of Gulf Stream, as an 15· example, or the custodian
of records, which are I think 16· one in the same? 17· · · ·A.· · Custodian of records. 18· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Are you the custodian of the records? 19· · · ·A.· · No. 20· · · ·Q.· ·
Who is? 21· · · ·A.· · Town clerk. 22· · · ·Q.· · And how did she become custodian of the 23· records? 24· · · ·A.· · I do not know the answer to that question. 25· · · ·Q.· · Who worked
here first?· When I say, "here," ·1· the Town of Gulf Stream. ·2· · · ·A.· · Who are you comparing? ·3· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry.· I apologize.· You and Ms. Taylor. ·4· · · ·A.· · Rita
Taylor was here first. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And when did she become custodian of ·6· the records? ·7· · · ·A.· · I don't know the answer to that question. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· But
she is the custodian of the records ·9· now? 10· · · ·A.· · Yes. 11· · · ·Q.· · Does she ever come to you with, "I got a 12· request for the sign-in sheet" - I'm just making it up,
13· of course - "what do I do?"; meaning, "I got a request 14· here, I don't know what to do," or is she that proficient 15· in the scheme of what is a public record and isn't under
16· the various laws? 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 18· · · ·A.· · The question is -- Could you simplify your 19· question? 20· · · ·Q.· · How proficient is Ms.
Taylor when it comes to 21· reading, interpreting, complying with Chapter 119? 22· · · ·A.· · I believe she's proficient. 23· · · ·Q.· · You think she is proficient, okay.· And what
24· gave you that impression? 25· · · ·A.· · Her ability to respond to public records ·1· requests. ·2· · · ·Q.· · Have you ever seen the responses she's made? ·3· · · ·A.· · In some
cases, yes. ·4· · · ·Q.· · And have you ever seen the requested requests ·5· and juxtaposed them against the responses? ·6· · · ·A.· · I -- I don't understand that question. ·7· · ·
·Q.· · Okay.· You have a request in your left hand -·8· · · ·A.· · Yeah. ·9· · · ·Q.· · -- and a response in your right. 10· · · ·A.· · Right. 11· · · ·Q.· · If they ask you for a chocolate
bar -12· · · ·A.· · Yeah. 13· · · ·Q.· · -- and you give them a chicken salad sandwich, 14· that's not a very good response. 15· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 16· BY
MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · ·Q.· · If they ask you for a chocolate bar and you 18· give a chocolate bar, that seems to me to be a pretty 19· good response, that's what I'm trying to -20· ·
· ·A.· · Do I think -21· · · ·Q.· · Have you ever looked at her -22· · · ·A.· · Do I believe she's responsive?· Yes. 23· · · ·Q.· · Right.· But in connection with her responses, 24·
do you believe that she is proficient that when someone 25· asks for the chocolate bar, and I use that just as an ·1· example, that she provides the chocolate bar and not a ·2· peanut
bar? ·3· · · ·A.· · I believe that she is.· If she felt ·4· otherwise she would ask our attorney for assistance. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· When the request comes in, meaning the ·6· records
request, who does it go to? ·7· · · ·A.· · It goes to the custodian of records. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And then what? ·9· · · ·A.· · She will respond accordingly to the best 10· of her
ability. 11· · · ·Q.· · Well, as an example, if she was asked for a 12· letter from Mr. Randolph that was not privileged, just as 13· an example, she couldn't respond without getting
that 14· letter; how would she get that letter? 15· · · ·A.· · Ask Mr. Randolph -16· · · ·Q.· · Yes. 17· · · ·A.· · -- the attorney. 18· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So if, as an example, there
was a 19· request and the request was documents from you -20· · · ·A.· · Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · -- how would she get those documents? 22· · · ·A.· · She would ask me for them. 23· · ·
·Q.· · Okay.· And you would give her the documents? 24· · · ·A.· · Yes. 25· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And how would you get the documents? ·1· And when I say, "get the documents," it's not
a clear ·2· question.· Some people are very computer efficient, they ·3· could go on their computer and have them in 30 seconds, ·4· some people it takes them hours on end, some people
would ·5· have to call their IT guy. ·6· · · · · · ·Maybe a better question to ask would be: ·7· What's your level of your computer abilities? ·8· · · ·A.· · A working knowledge. ·9·
· · ·Q.· · Pardon? 10· · · ·A.· · A working knowledge. 11· · · ·Q.· · And in what softwares? 12· · · ·A.· · Microsoft, accounting. 13· · · ·Q.· · But specifically what softwares? 14·
· · ·A.· · Munis, Black Duck, Microsoft Office, 15· Excel, Word, PowerPoint, there may be others. 16· · · ·Q.· · Outlook? 17· · · ·A.· · Outlook. 18· · · ·Q.· · Are you proficient in
Outlook? 19· · · ·A.· · I have a working knowledge of Outlook. 20· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And do you have a, I don't know that 21· I'll use the term right, but a personal device like an
i5 22· or whatever they're called, Black Berry, where you get 23· mail outside of your computer? 24· · · ·A.· · Yes. 25· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you have a personal e-mail address? ·1·
· · ·A.· · Yes. ·2· · · ·Q.· · May I have it? ·3· · · ·A.· · BPThrasher@comcast.net. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Just to make sure I have it:· B, Bravo, P, ·5· Papa, Thrasher@comcast.net? ·6· ·
· ·A.· · Correct. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·8· · · ·A.· · I have one other one, a gmail.· I don't ·9· use it much and don't know what it is. 10· · · ·Q.· · You don't know what it is? 11·
· · ·A.· · Don't know. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Do you receive any e-mails from any of 13· the officials in Gulf Stream?· When I say, "officials," 14· I'm going to cast a broad net:· The
police department, 15· the commissioners, the Architectural Review Board, Rita 16· Taylor, and I guess the other ladies over there.· Do you 17· receive any communications on Bravo,
Papa, 18· Thrasher@comcast.net? 19· · · ·A.· · No. 20· · · ·Q.· · Not a one? 21· · · ·A.· · No. 22· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Have you ever sent an e-mail to the 23· commissioners, the same
group of people, any of them, 24· under BPThrasher -25· · · ·A.· · I don't believe so. ·1· · · ·Q.· · -- @comcast.net?· You've never done it? ·2· · · ·A.· · I don't believe so. ·3·
· · ·Q.· · And I assume that you have, I think, a Gulf ·4· Stream address, I think it's BThrasher@Gulf.Stream.org? ·5· · · ·A.· · Correct. ·6· · · ·Q.· · And that would be the e-mail
account that you ·7· would use for all e-mails coming to you or being sent for ·8· official business, public records, so to speak? ·9· · · ·A.· · Yes. 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· When we
made the request -11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Off the record. 12· · · · · · ·(Discussion off the record.) 13· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 was marked for 14· · · ·identification.)
15· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · ·Q.· · Now, Mr. Thrasher, I'm going to hand to you a 17· records request, which the requestor was Martin O'Boyle 18· and the requestee was a custodian of
records, Town of 19· Gulf Stream, it's identified as Request 332, dated 20· April 15, 2012, and it is marked "Plaintiff's Exhibit 4"; 21· would you kindly take a look at that? 22· ·
· ·A.· · (Witness complied.) 23· · · ·Q.· · Have you ever seen that before? 24· · · ·A.· · Yes. 25· · · ·Q.· · When? ·1· · · ·A.· · Reviewed it this morning. ·2· · · ·Q.· · First time?
·3· · · ·A.· · No. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Can we -·5· · · ·A.· · I don't remember when. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Well -·7· · · ·A.· · I know it's just not my first time seeing ·8· it. ·9· · ·
·Q.· · Would it have been before April 15th? 10· · · ·A.· · It's possible.· I don't remember. 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, it's dated April 12· · · ·15th. 13· · · · · · ·MR.
O'BOYLE:· How about that. 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Mr. Thrasher, is it 15· · · ·possible that you could have seen it before 16· · · ·April 15th? 17· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No.
18· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· We're now 60 days past April 15th.· Can 20· you give us any indication of when you've seen it; a week 21· ago, two weeks, three weeks, four
weeks, five weeks, one 22· month, two months, any indication? 23· · · ·A.· · April. 24· · · ·Q.· · You saw it in April? 25· · · ·A.· · (Witness nods head.) ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· How
did you see it?· Tell me how you ·2· got to see it. ·3· · · ·A.· · I -- I don't remember. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Well, unless I'm mistaken, and I could be, ·5· this was the request that if
I were the custodian of ·6· records I would come in to see you and say, "I have a ·7· request for records asking for documents authored by ·8· you." ·9· · · ·A.· · Okay. 10· · · ·Q.·
· No one ever did that? 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 12· · · ·previous question.· You can answer. 13· · · ·A.· · I -- I don't remember, just don't 14· remember.
15· · · ·Q.· · You do know the Town got sued; am I correct? 16· · · ·A.· · I am familiar with some parts of it, yes. 17· · · ·Q.· · Do you know why the Town got sued? 18· · · ·A.· ·
Public records nonresponsive. 19· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 5 was marked for 20· · · ·identification.) 21· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I'm going to show you that
which 23· is a Verified Complaint to Enforce Florida's Public 24· Records Act and For Declaratory and Monetary Relief, and 25· ask you to take your time and read it. ·1· · · · · · ·MR.
RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, is that marked? ·2· · · ·What did we mark this? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Five. ·4· · · ·A.· · I briefly read it.· I haven't thoroughly ·5· read it. ·6· · ·
·Q.· · Would you thoroughly read it? ·7· · · ·A.· · I can't make any more sense out of it than ·8· I already have. ·9· · · ·Q.· · So can we then for the record state that you 10· have
read it and you fully understand it? 11· · · ·A.· · No. 12· · · ·Q.· · Then read it, please. 13· · · ·A.· · It involves certain legal items that I may 14· not be aware of or understand.
15· · · ·Q.· · Can you show me which paragraphs you're 16· talking about or put a circle around them? 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· May I assist?· I don't want 18· · · ·to interrupt
if you don't want me to interrupt, 19· · · ·but it just seems to me the question is:· Does 20· · · ·he understand the nature of the Complaint and 21· · · ·what's being asked for in
the Complaint? 22· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I think that's correct. 23· · · ·A.· · Then I understand the nature of the 24· Complaint. 25· · · ·Q.· · That's good enough.· That's why
it's always ·1· good to have a fellow like Mr. Randolph here. ·2· · · ·A.· · Indeed, for more than one reason. ·3· · · ·Q.· · What would be the other reason? ·4· · · ·A.· · Personal.
·5· · · ·Q.· · What would it be? ·6· · · ·A.· · No answer. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Mr. Randolph, would you ·8· · · ·instruct your client to answer the question? ·9· · · · · · ·MR.
RANDOLPH:· I -- I'm not sure what he 10· · · ·means by that, but I'm not sure how it relates 11· · · ·to this deposition either. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I understand that. 13·
BY MR. O'BOYLE: 14· · · ·Q.· · Would you answer the question now? 15· · · ·A.· · I'm familiar with Mr. Randolph. 16· · · ·Q.· · Right. 17· · · ·A.· · For that reason. 18· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· I guess that's his answer. 19· · · ·A.· · That's my answer. 20· · · ·Q.· · And how does that interact with personal?· I 21· mean, I'm familiar with, or was, Mickey Mantel,
but I 22· didn't need him at a deposition. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Look, I'm his attorney, I'm 24· · · ·the Town's attorney, that's why I'm here, that's 25· · · ·why he's glad
that I'm here. ·1· · · · · · ·You went beyond that and asked the ·2· · · ·question about - when you made the sort of a ·3· · · ·snide comment about, "That's why it's good to ·4· · ·
·have Mr. Randolph here," he said, "Yes, and for ·5· · · ·other reasons." ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, that's -·7· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The other reason is I'm the ·8· ·
· ·Town attorney and I'm representing him in this ·9· · · ·deposition. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That was not a snide 11· · · ·comment, Mr. Randolph, that was made with 12· · · ·sincerity.·
I think you're a wonderful lawyer 13· · · ·and good man. 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Thank you. 15· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· And he's fortunate to have 16· · · ·you as his counsel,
but you now raise a question 17· · · ·that I would like to ask Mr. Thrasher about. 18· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · ·Q.· · Is Mr. Randolph your personal attorney, Mr. 20· Thrasher? 21· ·
· ·A.· · No. 22· · · ·Q.· · No? 23· · · ·A.· · No. 24· · · ·Q.· · He represents the Town? 25· · · ·A.· · He does. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Because I just thought I heard him say ·2· he
represents the Town and you. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He's my client. ·4· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·5· · · ·Q.· · Would that be incorrect? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He's my client.
·7· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·8· · · ·Q.· · You're his client? ·9· · · ·A.· · He's the representative of the Town of 10· Gulf Stream for purposes of this case. 11· · · ·Q.· · And you are his
client, correct? 12· · · ·A.· · I think the Town is his client and I 13· represent the Town in this case. 14· · · ·Q.· · You make all the decisions in the Town in this 15· case? 16·
· · ·A.· · No, I make -- No. 17· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Mr. Thrasher -18· · · ·A.· · Yes. 19· · · ·Q.· · -- this lawsuit was filed on April 24, 2012, 20· the records request was made April
15, 2012, so there was 21· a nine-day period in between.· Someone did come to you 22· and ask you to provide the records in response to this 23· request, did they not? 24· · · ·A.·
· No, I don't recall that. 25· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· By the way, are you aware ·1· that providing the public public records is a right ·2· provided not just under Chapter 119
or the common law ·3· rights, but the Florida Constitution provides that you ·4· must give those documents; are you aware of that? ·5· · · ·A.· · No. ·6· · · ·Q.· · You are now though.
·7· · · ·A.· · I'm aware that you stated it. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Would you like to see the Constitution? ·9· · · ·A.· · No. 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Would you rely on Mr. Randolph if he 11·
told you?· I mean, I could pull out the Constitution, I 12· brought it with me. 13· · · ·A.· · Would I?· Yes. 14· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Would you be kind enough to 15· · · ·tell
him that? 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I think he's answered your 17· · · ·question.· He says that he's not familiar with 18· · · ·that portion of the Constitution.· You're asking
19· · · ·him for a legal conclusion.· You want to delve 20· · · ·into the legalities of it, you may. 21· · · · · · ·By the way, we stipulate to the fact that 22· · · ·the Florida Constitution
does address this 23· · · ·matter, but I can't speak for my client. 24· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay. 25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· We do not contest that it ·1· · · ·does. ·2· · ·
· · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 8 was marked for ·3· · · ·identification.) ·4· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·5· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I'm going to give you a document ·6· which is marked, "Plaintiff's
Exhibit 8," and this is ·7· Florida Constitution, Article I, Section 24, and I would ·8· like for you to read it. ·9· · · ·A.· · (The witness complied.) 10· · · ·Q.· · You now see that
the public's right to public 11· records is a right given pursuant to not necessarily a 12· statute or a common law right, but under the Constitution 13· it's a Constitutional right.
14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· · Do you see that? 16· · · ·A.· · Yes. 17· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Now, that ratchets things up a bit, 18· does it not?· The right to cross the street is
one thing, 19· a Constitutional right is a pretty serious thing. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 21· · · ·question. 22· · · ·A.· · I think they're all serious.
23· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 24· · · ·A.· · I think they're all serious. 25· · · ·Q.· · So you would take a normal, every day law like ·1· painting your house a different color and compare
that to ·2· a Constitutional right; you would see them all as the ·3· same? ·4· · · ·A.· · I don't know.· I don't think so. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, tell me how you would see them.
·6· · · ·A.· · Constitutional right to - would be a ·7· higher power. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Or higher obligation, one to take more ·9· seriously, one that should be given - I can't think of
10· the word, but should be taken more seriously? 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 12· · · ·A.· · I think they all are serious as it relates 13· to -14· · · ·Q.· ·
Now, when you say, "they all" -15· · · ·A.· · Anything that directs the Town or myself 16· is something that we're obligated to. 17· · · ·Q.· · So that group would be put in the same
corral 18· as the Constitutional right? 19· · · ·A.· · I have no comment.· I've answered your 20· question. 21· · · ·Q.· · I don't think you have. 22· · · ·A.· · I have no comment.
23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I think you're arguing with 24· · · ·the witness.· I think the witness has indicated 25· · · ·that he takes all laws related to the Town ·1· ·seriously
and he also has indicated, and he used ·2· ·his words, it's a higher power when it's dealing ·3· ·with the Constitution.· I don't see the need to ·4· ·continue to explore.· I think
he's answered your ·5· ·question. ·6· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I don't think he has.· You ·7· ·did very well to articulate I think what he did ·8· ·say, but I think what I've heard so far
is a ·9· ·Constitutional right and a municipal ordinance 10· ·are treated six of one, half a dozen to the 11· ·other. 12· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's not the answer that 13· ·you got.
14· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay. 15· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He's indicated that the 16· ·Constitutional right is a higher power. 17· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Whatever that means. 18· · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· Whatever that means and you 19· ·can explore what that means -20· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay. 21· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- legitimately, but he 22· ·indicated to you
he's answered your question -23· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's fine. 24· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- to the best of his 25· ·ability. ·1· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · ·Q.· · What is a higher
power before the Good Lord ·3· besides the Good Lord? ·4· · · ·A.· · Nothing. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Nothing? ·6· · · ·A.· · (Witness shakes head.) ·7· · · ·Q.· · So when you said the Constitution
was a higher ·8· power, you're saying the Constitution is nothing. ·9· · · ·A.· · I didn't say that. 10· · · ·Q.· · What did you say? 11· · · ·A.· · You referred to the Good Lord -12·
· · ·Q.· · No, I didn't. 13· · · ·A.· · -- so my belief. 14· · · ·Q.· · I said, "what is except," that's what I said. 15· · · ·A.· · Then nothing.· The Constitution, things of 16· that
-17· · · ·Q.· · I'm not hearing you, I'm sorry. 18· · · ·A.· · Excluding the Good Lord, I believe the 19· Constitutions are a higher power. 20· · · ·Q.· · A higher power meaning? 21·
· · ·A.· · Prevail. 22· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 23· · · ·A.· · Prevail. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I think the question is:· A 25· · · ·higher power compared to what? ·1· · · · · · ·MR.
O'BOYLE:· Very good, Mr. Randolph. ·2· · · ·Thank you for helping me. ·3· · · ·A.· · A higher power compared to what?· Oh, ·4· local law, county law, as an example. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay.·
So, in other words, it's a more ·6· important law, the Constitution, it's a - would that be a ·7· fair -·8· · · ·A.· · I -- I am not able to say.· I would think ·9· so, but I don't
know for sure what the legal 10· ramifications of that or those are. 11· · · ·Q.· · Well, do you think it's less?· In other words, 12· in the scheme of laws, is the constitutional law
-13· · · ·A.· · I would say, no. 14· · · ·Q.· · -- in the State of Florida, would that be the 15· highest laws that are in the State of Florida? 16· · · ·A.· · I would answer, yes.
17· · · ·Q.· · You would answer, yes.· I appreciate it. 18· · · · · · ·The request that was made on April 15th before 19· you were sued, your recollection is no one came to see 20·
you. 21· · · ·A.· · No, that's not -- I hope I didn't say 22· that. 23· · · ·Q.· · You sure did. 24· · · ·A.· · In regards to that, a section of that or a 25· portion of that, I believe
Ms. Taylor, Rita Taylor, ·1· asked my opinion on whether or not a portion of the ·2· e-mail was responsive or required if we're talking ·3· about the same e-mail - I don't know, but
I think so. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Well -·5· · · ·A.· · Can you show me that e-mail -·6· · · ·Q.· · -- I can show you -·7· · · ·A.· · -- that you're referring to -·8· · · ·Q.· · I can show
you -·9· · · ·A.· · -- perhaps going to refer to? 10· · · ·Q.· · Well, I wasn't referring to any e-mail -11· · · ·A.· · But perhaps -12· · · ·Q.· · -- I will now. 13· · · ·A.· · --
what you will refer to. 14· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 9 was marked for 15· · · ·identification.) 16· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I am now showing you what is
18· Plaintiff's Exhibit 9, which is the sole responsive 19· document provided in connection with Request No. 332 in 20· which I was the requestor and which read:· "Please 21· provide
a copy of any reports or writings authored by 22· Martin Minor or William Thrasher in regard to Application 23· No. 1 on the agenda of the Town Commission meeting dated 24· April 12,
2012 for the premises known as 3211 North Ocean 25· Boulevard, Gulf Stream, Florida." ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And I object to the form of ·2· · · ·the question -·3· BY MR. O'BOYLE:
·4· · · ·Q.· · You may answer. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- based upon you're saying ·6· · · ·that's the sole responsive document provided. ·7· · · · · · ·Go ahead, you may answer.
·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He's showing you that.· And 10· · · ·you're asking what, has he seen that, Mr. 11· · · ·O'Boyle? 12· · · · · · ·MR.
O'BOYLE:· Okay. 13· · · ·A.· · I have seen this. 14· · · ·Q.· · Where -15· · · ·A.· · I have seen this. 16· · · ·Q.· · Where have you seen it? 17· · · ·A.· · Somewhere in the course
of my daily 18· activities.· I don't know specifically when or where. 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Was it within the last seven days? 20· · · ·A.· · Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · And that was the very
first time you've seen 22· it? 23· · · ·A.· · No, no. 24· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Was it within the first seven days 25· after April 15th? ·1· · · ·A.· · I would say, yes. ·2· · · ·Q.· ·
Okay. ·3· · · ·A.· · I don't know when. ·4· · · ·Q.· · And under what circumstances did you see it? ·5· · · ·A.· · The town clerk showed me this e-mail and ·6· asked my opinion whether
the bottom portion of the ·7· e-mail was responsive to Public Records Request 332. ·8· · · ·Q.· · And -·9· · · ·A.· · I said, "No." 10· · · ·Q.· · And tell me why you said, "No." 11·
· · ·A.· · The content at the bottom of that page was 12· not related to 3211 North Ocean. 13· · · ·Q.· · What was it related to? 14· · · ·A.· · I don't know.· If I could see it, I
might 15· have a better idea. 16· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So -17· · · ·A.· · But I do remember having the conversation. 18· · · ·Q.· · So let's do this:· We have an e-mail which is 19· Plaintiff's
Exhibit -20· · · ·A.· · Nine. 21· · · ·Q.· · What is it? 22· · · ·A.· · Nine. 23· · · ·Q.· · -- 9, and that e-mail has clearly been 24· doctored. 25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object
to the form. ·1· · · ·A.· · That's your word, not mine. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, object to the ·3· · · ·form. ·4· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·5· · · ·Q.· · Well, early on I asked
you your definition of ·6· "doctored" and I think that fits squarely and you're ·7· right, that is my word. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And I object to the form. ·9· BY MR. O'BOYLE:
10· · · ·Q.· · If there's an e-mail on the bottom of this, 11· which, again, has been removed, this is on Exhibit 9, 12· Plaintiff's Exhibit 9, which has been removed and you say 13·
it's been removed because it was not responsive -14· · · ·A.· · To -15· · · ·Q.· · Now -16· · · ·A.· · -- Public Records Request 332. 17· · · ·Q.· · To Public Records Request 332.·
Wasn't it 18· innocuous? 19· · · ·A.· · I don't remember. 20· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 21· · · ·A.· · She asked my opinion, I gave it. 22· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, if you wouldn't have removed
it, 23· it seems to me you would have saved an abundance of time, 24· and it's not as if it was talking about the Manhattan 25· Project. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Have you finished
your ·2· · · ·question? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. ·5· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·6· · · ·Q.· · You may answer. ·7· · · ·A.· · I didn't
hear a question in all that, but ·8· maybe you could restate -·9· · · ·Q.· · Sure. 10· · · ·A.· · -- a question. 11· · · ·Q.· · Why would you remove something that is 12· meaningless
and have it cost money and take time when you 13· can leave it there and it's meaningless and save money 14· and save time? 15· · · ·A.· · All of those thought and thought processes
16· did not go through my mind.· We were trying to be 17· responsive to Public Request 332 and we believed that 18· that bottom portion was not, therefore, we were 19· responsive in
that which we gave you. 20· · · ·Q.· · So you made the unilateral decision? 21· · · ·A.· · It was one that Rita and I made together. 22· She had a sense that it was not and asked my
opinion 23· and we conferred together on that, yes. 24· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And where did this document come from, 25· by the way? ·1· · · ·A.· · I don't know the answer to that. ·2·
· · ·Q.· · Well, did it come from Rita's desk? ·3· · · ·A.· · I think it's from Marty to -- It's from ·4· Marty to me and it ended up on Rita's desk, yes. ·5· · · ·Q.· · How did it
end up on Rita's desk? ·6· · · ·A.· · I would suspect that I printed it and gave ·7· it to her. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Why did you print it and give it to her? ·9· · · ·A.· · Don't know. 10·
· · ·Q.· · Well, how many other documents did you print 11· that morning or that afternoon or at lunch? 12· · · ·A.· · I don't have -- I don't know. 13· · · ·Q.· · Was there a lot?
14· · · ·A.· · I have no idea.· I don't know. 15· · · ·Q.· · You don't know whether there was one, whether 16· there was five, whether there was ten, whether there was 17· fifty? 18·
· · ·A.· · No, I -19· · · ·Q.· · You don't remember anything. 20· · · ·A.· · I do not. 21· · · ·Q.· · Are you on any type of medication that might 22· affect your memory? 23· · · ·A.·
· Do I have to answer that question?· No. 24· · · ·Q.· · No? 25· · · ·A.· · I'm not, no. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, off the record ·2· · · ·or it can be on the record
if you want, this ·3· · · ·might be an appropriate time to take a lunch ·4· · · ·break.· I know that it's 12:30, we've been going ·5· · · ·a couple hours, and I think -- Mr. Thrasher,
do ·6· · · ·you break for lunch normally? ·7· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I would like to eat a quick ·8· · · ·sandwich. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay. 10· · · · · · · · · · · (Lunch
break.) 11· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, we're back on the record, it's 13· 1:25 p.m.· I wanted to ask you some questions, if I may, 14· about Mr. Minor; what is his
exact role in the Town of 15· Gulf Stream? 16· · · ·A.· · Consultant. 17· · · ·Q.· · And can you give me the broad side of that 18· definition and the narrow side of that definition?
19· · · ·A.· · He is a consultant for the Town in related 20· to a variety of activities such as Comp Plan 21· Amendments -22· · · ·Q.· · Wait one second.· You said "Comp"? 23· · ·
·A.· · Comp, Comprehensive Plan Amendments. 24· · · ·Q.· · Oh, I see.· Yes. 25· · · ·A.· · -- dealing with the school concurrency ·1· issues.· He also helps with the language of the
Code, ·2· amendments to the Code, and assists me as I need his ·3· assistance in regards to reports going before the ·4· ARPB and the Commission.· He has assisted us in the ·5· development
of the website trying to develop a ·6· website that was consistent with - the perhaps the ·7· character and quality of life in Gulf Stream.· He's ·8· just used in a wide range of activities
as I might ·9· ask him or the Commission might ask him. 10· · · ·Q.· · This may not be the proper term, but who is 11· his boss?· In other words, I can't call Mr. Minor up and 12· ask
him to do something for the Town and bill the Town, I 13· don't have that authority, I assume the fellow over at 14· Public Works doesn't; is it you, the mayor?· Who is it 15· and pursuant
to what? 16· · · ·A.· · Well, I think that I can direct him on 17· certain issues and outside of that I believe it would 18· be the full body of the Commission. 19· · · ·Q.· · And the
full body of the Commission, when have 20· they what I'm going to call, "engage" -- I know you 21· engage Mr. Minor and when you have a question about the 22· Code and so on and so
forth, but when would the 23· Commission engage Mr. Minor? 24· · · ·A.· · In regards to perhaps Code Amendments, 25· asking for him to obtain background information for ·1· them.· I
believe he's to be directed in regards to ·2· the Comp Plan.· The Town has -- The Town Commission ·3· has directed him in providing a annexation study ·4· report, things of that nature.
·5· · · ·Q.· · And when the Town Commission does that, how -·6· I've been to I think every Town Commission meeting this ·7· year, I don't know that for sure, but I've never heard ·8·
the Town Commission take a vote to give Mr. Minor any ·9· type of authority for the items that you enumerated or 10· any other type of items. 11· · · · · · ·Is what happens, the procedure
is really what 12· I'm looking for, that as an example Mr. Minor would come 13· in, you would come in, the mayor, the commissioners or 14· whatever, sit in your office, somebody say,
"Here's what 15· we need," and they would bless it? 16· · · ·A.· · No. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 18· · · ·A.· · No. 19· · · ·Q.· · Then how's it happen? 20·
· · ·A.· · In a public arena, public area, depending 21· on the circumstances that we're dealing with, the 22· challenges, they can direct them at that time. 23· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· When
was the last time that you can 24· remember the commissioners directing Mr. Minor? 25· · · ·A.· · I think it would be the - the Code ·1· Amendments, either that or the annexation. ·2·
· · ·Q.· · So that would be several years ago, correct? ·3· · · ·A.· · Couple. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Minor, in the scheme of a trustworthy ·5· fellow, how would you rate him based upon
your ·6· experiences? ·7· · · ·A.· · I -- I believe him to be trustworthy. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Would you say highly trustworthy? ·9· · · ·A.· · Yes. 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Honorable?· Would
you call him a very 11· honorable person? 12· · · ·A.· · I -- I would.· I have no reason to call 13· him anything other than that. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· My instinct tells me that as
applies to 15· the commissioners that I do not sit in favor with them, 16· would that be a generally correct statement? 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the question. 18· · ·
·It's not at all relevant and if you persist in 19· · · ·asking these kinds of questions we're just going 20· · · ·to go ahead and terminate this deposition. 21· · · · · · ·You were
on a roll.· You were asking 22· · · ·questions that were pertinent to this case.· If 23· · · ·you're going to ask those kinds of questions 24· · · ·we'll go ahead and terminate the
deposition 25· · · ·right now and allow the Court to address it. ·1· ·A.· · I have no idea. ·2· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· For the record, if I might, ·3· ·I'll note that Marrett Hanna is
consulting with ·4· ·Mr. O'Boyle, and I would just like to know your ·5· ·role in this deposition today.· Are you filing a ·6· ·Notice of -- Are you representing Mr. O'Boyle? ·7· ·Are
you filing a Notice of Appearance on his ·8· ·behalf?· What is your role in this deposition? ·9· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· First off, that's not 10· ·relevant.· Second off, are you instructing
the 11· ·witness not to answer the question? 12· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No, you haven't heard me 13· ·say that, have you?· And I believe he gave an 14· ·answer to the question. 15· ·
· · ·MS. HANNA:· He never answered the 16· ·question.· Are you instructing the witness not 17· ·to answer Mr. O'Boyle? 18· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You haven't heard that, 19· ·have you?·
I believe I'm entitled to know your 20· ·role in this deposition. 21· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· I appeared before and I 22· ·entered a limited appearance for the purposes of 23· ·the deposition.
24· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You appeared in Martin 25· ·Minor's. ·1· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· Excuse me, Mr. Randolph, are ·2· ·you trying to delay this and cause disruption, ·3· ·because that's
what it appears to me? ·4· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No, I'm certainly not. ·5· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· It seems to me -·6· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm asking your role in ·7· ·this. ·8· · · ·
·MS. HANNA:· -- you would like to call the ·9· ·judge and get this matter -10· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No, no. 11· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· -- before the judge. 12· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm
not trying to delay 13· ·anything.· I think that Mr. O'Boyle's question 14· ·was entirely inappropriate, it did not relate to 15· ·these proceedings. 16· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· You're allowed
to state your 17· ·objection. 18· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Wait a minute.· You can 19· ·just wait until I finish; will you please?· I am 20· ·telling you that the questions he was asking
21· ·were not appropriate to this deposition and if 22· ·he continued with those kinds of questions we 23· ·will terminate this deposition, have the Court 24· ·address it, and then
continue from that point. 25· · · · ·The questions that Mr. O'Boyle was asking ·1· ·before our lunch break were pertinent to the ·2· ·case that we're in, the questions he is asking
·3· ·now are not, and I am advising as I advised at ·4· ·the beginning of the deposition that if he ·5· ·continued in this way we would continue this ·6· ·deposition until the Court
can have an ·7· ·opportunity to address those questions. ·8· · · · ·I still would like an answer to my ·9· ·question as to what your role is in this 10· ·deposition, and you're continuing
to confer with 11· ·him.· I need -- I would like to know whether 12· ·you're his attorney.· Ms. Hanna, are you his 13· ·attorney?· Are you representing Mr. O'Boyle? 14· · · · ·MS. HANNA:·
Are you going to point your 15· ·finger and yell at me again, Mr. Randolph, like 16· ·you did, shout at me?· Are you the judge, 17· ·because that's what you're behaving as? 18· · ·
· ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not the judge.· I -19· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· You already -20· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The furthest -21· · · · ·THE REPORTER:· I cannot take both of you 22· ·at the
same time. 23· · · · ·MS. HANNA:· I've never seen anyone behave 24· ·this way. 25· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Oh.· How long have you been ·1· · · ·practicing law? ·2· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:·
Twenty years. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yeah? ·4· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· Thank you. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And what is your role with ·6· · · ·Mr. O'Boyle? ·7· · · · · ·
·MS. HANNA:· I've already answered your ·8· · · ·question.· I'm not being deposed here, Mr. ·9· · · ·Thrasher is being deposed. 10· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Are you admitted to the
11· · · ·Florida Bar? 12· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· Yes, I am. 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Are you representing Mr. 14· · · ·O'Boyle in this deposition?· Are you refusing to 15· · ·
·answer my question as to whether you're 16· · · ·representing him in this deposition? 17· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· I'm not here to answer your 18· · · ·questions. 19· · · · · · ·MR.
RANDOLPH:· So you refuse to answer 20· · · ·that question.· So the Court would have no idea 21· · · ·as to what your role is in this deposition by 22· · · ·reading this deposition.
23· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 24· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I have a question on the table. 25· If you would like the court reporter to read it back, she ·1· will, I'm certain. ·2· · · · · · ·MR.
RANDOLPH:· And he answered it. ·3· · · ·A.· · I answered.· I said, I don't know. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He has no idea. ·5· · · ·A.· · I have no idea. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
Will you read the question ·7· · · ·back? ·8· · · · ·(The requested portion was read back.) ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Are you waiting for another 10· · · ·answer from him, Mr. O'Boyle?
11· · · ·A.· · That's my answer. 12· · · ·Q.· · The individual commissioners, have you met 13· with any of them outside of these chambers? 14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· · Can you
tell me when and with whom? 16· · · ·A.· · I see the mayor sometimes every other day, 17· maybe every third day.· I -18· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Outside of these chambers? 19· · ·
· · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I mean, outside of town 21· · · ·hall? 22· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No, not outside of town 23· · · ·hall. 24· · · · · · ·MR.
O'BOYLE:· Mr. Randolph, you don't need 25· · · ·the coach the witness. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not coaching the ·2· · · ·witness. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· You certainly
are. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm making sure he ·5· · · ·understands the question.· Do you mean when you ·6· · · ·refer -·7· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· He'll ask if he doesn't ·8·
· · ·understand the question. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Wait a minute.· I'm about 10· · · ·to terminate the deposition. 11· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· You're welcome to do so. 12·
· · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Do you mean in regard to 13· · · ·the room that we're in, does he see them outside 14· · · ·this room or does he see them outside of town 15· · · ·hall? 16·
· · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· No, I said outside this 17· · · ·room. 18· · · ·A.· · Yeah, I see them outside this room. 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And do they drop by on the other side 20· of
the building from time to time either individually or 21· in groups? 22· · · ·A.· · I don't recall any group appearance. 23· Individually from time to time. 24· · · ·Q.· · And the mayor
you said - unless I may have 25· gotten it wrong, if I did, please correct me - the mayor ·1· you said stops by about every other day? ·2· · · ·A.· · Every other day, every third day.·
She has ·3· no regular - no regular time, just drops in. ·4· · · ·Q.· · And have you spoken to the mayor about some of ·5· these public records requests and/or lawsuits? ·6· · · ·A.·
· I have spoken to her about the number of ·7· public records requests, that they seem to be ·8· numerous. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Seem to be - I'm sorry? 10· · · ·A.· · Numerous, numerous.
11· · · ·Q.· · Numerous, I see. 12· · · ·A.· · And that whenever we receive a lawsuit or 13· a record of it, notice of, that we have received 14· them, that's about it. 15· · · ·Q.·
· You tell her about it? 16· · · ·A.· · I tell her about the appearance of them in 17· town hall, yes. 18· · · ·Q.· · I see.· Do you know what "redacted" or 19· "redact" means? 20·
· · ·A.· · I -- I believe as relates to public 21· records it's the legitimate removal of information 22· from public records requests.· I don't know, that's 23· my layman's. 24· ·
· ·Q.· · Okay.· I may have asked you this before, I 25· don't think I did, but have you ever read Chapter 119? ·1· · · ·A.· · I have in the past, not recently. ·2· · · ·Q.· · And do
you recall the word "redacted" being ·3· used therein? ·4· · · ·A.· · No. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· I'm now referring to Plaintiff's ·6· Exhibit 5, which is the Verified Complaint to Enforce
·7· Florida's Public Records Act and For Declaratory and ·8· Monetary Relief.· Do you know if there was an allegation ·9· in there that there was part of a public record redacted? 10·
· · ·A.· · Yes. 11· · · ·Q.· · And is it an allegation or is it a fact? 12· · · ·A.· · I do not believe -- I believe it's an 13· allegation. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And why do you believe
it's an 15· allegation as opposed to a fact? 16· · · ·A.· · We didn't redact anything. 17· · · ·Q.· · I'm sorry, Mr. Thrasher? 18· · · ·A.· · We did not redact anything from our public
19· records responses. 20· · · ·Q.· · I see.· Let me now show you, if I may -21· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 10 was marked for 22· · · ·identification.) 23· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 24·
· · ·Q.· · I'm going to show you what has been marked as 25· "Plaintiff's Exhibit 10." ·1· · · · · · ·Actually - one second - I'm going to show you ·2· what has been marked as "Plaintiff's
Exhibit 5" and I'm ·3· going to ask that you look at the last page, which is an ·4· e-mail from Martin Minor to you of August - I'm sorry, ·5· March 27th at 3:29 p.m. ·6· · · ·A.· ·
(The witness complied.) ·7· · · ·Q.· · The word "redact" - nothing in there redacted? ·8· · · ·A.· · No. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· What makes you say that? 10· · · ·A.· · I believe I've
answered this before. 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Go ahead. 12· · · ·A.· · That the bottom portion of that e-mail was 13· not responsive to Public Records Request 332. 14· · · ·Q.·
· And it disappeared, meaning it's no longer 15· there, correct? 16· · · ·A.· · The e-mail is still intact. 17· · · ·Q.· · But part of it's missing, correct? 18· · · ·A.· · No. 19·
· · ·Q.· · No.· Okay.· I'm going to show you, Mr. 20· Thrasher, the same document that you just looked at and 21· I'm also going to show you the Plaintiff's Exhibit 10 and 22· ask if
you see any difference at all. 23· · · ·A.· · Other than the size of the print I see -24· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 25· · · ·A.· · Other than the size of the print - ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·2·
· · ·A.· · -- there is a difference. ·3· · · ·Q.· · What is that difference? ·4· · · ·A.· · That Plaintiff's Exhibit 10 has additional ·5· language from that of Plaintiff's Exhibit
5, and as ·6· we stated, we blocked that off from copying as we did ·7· not believe it was responsive to Public Records ·8· Request 32. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Now, when you say, "blocked that
off," isn't 10· that another way of saying "redacted"? 11· · · ·A.· · No. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Let's look at Plaintiff's Exhibit 10, 13· that's just the small e-mail. 14· · · ·A.·
· Pardon me? 15· · · ·Q.· · I'm not seeing -- That's just the e-mail, 10? 16· How would you redact that if you wanted to get rid of the 17· bottom e-mail; what would you do? 18· · ·
·A.· · See if it could legally be done. 19· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 20· · · ·A.· · See if it could legally be done. 21· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And assuming it can be legally done? 22· · · ·A.·
· I -- I would follow the instructions of 23· the attorney as to how that would be done.· I -- I 24· have no idea how that would be done. 25· · · ·Q.· · Did you follow the instructions
of the ·1· attorney on Exhibit 5? ·2· · · ·A.· · No. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Yes? ·4· · · ·A.· · No. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Oh.· Now you've confused me and I apologize. ·6· On Exhibit 10 to remove the
bottom e-mail you followed ·7· the instructions of the attorney, but on -·8· · · ·A.· · To have it redacted. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? 10· · · ·A.· · To have the lower portion of Exhibit
10 11· redacted I would seek legal advice. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And your position is it was not 13· redacted. 14· · · ·A.· · Yes. 15· · · ·Q.· · Well, then what was it? 16· · · ·A.·
· It was covered up and not printed for 17· response to Public Records Request 332. 18· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So -19· · · ·A.· · It's still of record.· I mean -20· · · ·Q.· · Just so I'm
clear, it's a little bit on the 21· confusing side, just so I'm clear, if there is a document 22· and you feel a portion of it is not relevant to the 23· request and you remove that,
that's not redacting it? 24· · · ·A.· · I didn't -- We didn't remove it. 25· · · ·Q.· · How did it get removed? ·1· · · ·A.· · It was covered up. ·2· · · ·Q.· · Well, and then it was
copied. ·3· · · ·A.· · It was -·4· · · ·Q.· · And the net result was it was removed. ·5· · · ·A.· · No, it still exists. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Where is it? ·7· · · ·A.· · In e-mail form. ·8·
· · ·Q.· · No, no, forget this e-mail.· Let's talk ·9· about -10· · · ·A.· · I told you this was covered up and not 11· copied. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So on -- I get them confused and
please 13· -- On Exhibit 5 -14· · · ·A.· · Yeah. 15· · · ·Q.· · -- the last page of the Complaint -16· · · ·A.· · Right. 17· · · ·Q.· · -- the second e-mail, meaning the bottom 18·
e-mail which is shown on Exhibit 10, is not on Exhibit 5, 19· correct? 20· · · ·A.· · Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And the reason it's not on Exhibit 5 is 22· you or someone else with
the Town put something on there 23· to cover up that e-mail, then copied it, and then turned 24· it over to the requestor. 25· · · ·A.· · Covered up that portion - ·1· · · ·Q.· · That
portion. ·2· · · ·A.· · -- of the e-mail we felt was not ·3· responsive. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And so that's the difference, you ·5· covered it up because you felt it wasn't responsive.
·6· Now, did you tell the requestor that, "Here is the ·7· responsive document and, by the way, we covered up the ·8· lower half 'cause we didn't think it was responsive"? ·9· · · ·A.·
· I did not. 10· · · ·Q.· · Do you know if anyone else did? 11· · · ·A.· · I do not. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did you speak to anyone perhaps with 13· more familiarity than you have or
perhaps with the same 14· familiarity you have and ask them whether or not they 15· thought that was the appropriate thing for you to do? 16· · · ·A.· · As I said earlier, the public
records 17· the custodian of public records and myself had a 18· conversation about whether or not that was 19· responsive. 20· · · ·Q.· · Right.· I understand that, but -21· · · ·A.·
· Did I have any other conversations with 22· anybody else? 23· · · ·Q.· · Right. 24· · · ·A.· · No. 25· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So it was just you and Rita who made ·1· the decision.· You
didn't speak to your counsel? ·2· · · ·A.· · No. ·3· · · ·Q.· · You didn't speak to your mayor? ·4· · · ·A.· · No. ·5· · · ·Q.· · You didn't speak to any of the commissioners? ·6· ·
· ·A.· · No. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Did you speak to Marty Minor? ·8· · · ·A.· · No. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· If you spoke to Marty Minor, what do 10· you think he would have said? 11·
· · ·A.· · I -- I have no idea. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· How about if I told you I asked him and 13· he said it was responsive? 14· · · ·A.· · I -- I believe -- You asked -- Say again.
15· · · ·Q.· · I said, how about if I tell you that I asked 16· Marty Minor about it and he said that that which you 17· removed or redacted, whatever the word is, was a 18· responsive
document? 19· · · ·A.· · Oh -20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection to form. 21· · · ·A.· · -- I have no comment.· I don't know what 22· to say about it. 23· · · ·Q.· · Would you say
that Marty Minor was wrong? 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection. 25· · · ·A.· · I would not make a statement like that. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Would you say he was right? ·2· · ·
·A.· · I would not make a statement like that. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Just give me one second, please. ·4· · · · · · ·Now, you do admit that the requestor in this ·5· case, which would
be me, that you did not alert me that ·6· the copies provided had been redacted? ·7· · · ·A.· · We did not redact and we did alert you ·8· that we have your public records request ready
for ·9· pickup. 10· · · ·Q.· · When did you make that? 11· · · ·A.· · I have no idea. 12· · · ·Q.· · How do you know you did it? 13· · · ·A.· · I am positive that Rita did. 14· · ·
·Q.· · And that would have been before April -15· · · ·A.· · I don't know the time sequence. 16· · · ·Q.· · Well, it would have had to have been before 17· the filing of suit. 18· ·
· · · · ·So what you're saying is you don't agree that 19· they were redacted or that was redacted. 20· · · ·A.· · Correct. 21· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit 6 was marked for 22·
· · ·identification.) 23· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 24· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, this is a document filed by Mr. 25· John C. Randolph on the 14th day of May, 2013, and it's ·1· Plaintiff's Exhibit
6.· I am also going to show you again ·2· Plaintiff's Exhibit 5 and I'm going to ask you to kindly ·3· take a look at that.· Mr. Thrasher, may I have your ·4· attention? ·5· · · ·A.·
· Certainly. ·6· · · ·Q.· · I want you to look at Paragraph 28, and would ·7· you read it into the record, please?· These are the ·8· allegations from the Complaint? ·9· · · ·A.· ·
Number 28? 10· · · ·Q.· · Yes. 11· · · ·A.· · "The custodian did not inform Plaintiff 12· that any of the copies provided had been redacted." 13· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Now would you read
Paragraph 28 of 14· Plaintiff's Exhibit 6, I believe, which is the document 15· that I just gave you that was prepared by Mr. Randolph? 16· And is that Plaintiff's Exhibit 6? 17· ·
· ·A.· · Yes. 18· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· I just wanted to make sure. 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· What paragraph? 20· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Twenty-eight. 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Okay. 22· · · ·A.· · "Defendant admits the allegation in 23· Paragraph 28." 24· · · ·Q.· · What do you think of that? 25· · · ·A.· · I have no thoughts about it. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Well,
your attorney speaks for you. ·2· · · ·A.· · True. ·3· · · ·Q.· · And your attorney says it was redacted. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Object to the ·5· · · ·form.· That
does not properly characterize the ·6· · · ·answer that was made by me to the Complaint.· It ·7· · · ·states that we did not inform you that it had ·8· · · ·been redacted. ·9· · · ·
· · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's right, Mr. Randolph, 10· · · ·and no reason to inform me it hasn't been 11· · · ·redacted unless it's been redacted -12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The answer
stands for 13· · · ·itself. 14· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· -- and I'm not going to 15· · · ·debate it with you. 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Good. 17· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit
7 was marked for 18· · · ·identification.) 19· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 20· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Thrasher, I'm going to show you a 21· document, which is Thrasher 7, and it's called, "Motion 22· to
Strike Affirmative Defenses," and I'm going to ask you 23· to take a look at that, please. 24· · · ·A.· · You want me to look at the entire 25· document? ·1· · · ·Q.· · Pardon? ·2·
· · ·A.· · Do you want me to look at the entire ·3· document? ·4· · · ·Q.· · I would say, yes.· I think you can skim ·5· through it, but I think the most important part is the ·6· responses
to the affirmative defenses; I think there's ·7· three of them at the very end. ·8· · · ·A.· · Okay. ·9· · · ·Q.· · Have you read through them? 10· · · ·A.· · I've read through them.
11· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 12· · · ·A.· · I don't know that I understand them. 13· · · ·Q.· · All right.· Fair enough.· May I have that and 14· may I also have Exhibit 6, please? 15· · ·
·A.· · (The witness complied.) 16· · · ·Q.· · Now, Mr. Thrasher, in connection with this 17· Records Request 332, I am the requestor, you are aware of 18· that? 19· · · ·A.· · Yes.
20· · · ·Q.· · Do you know how many records requests that I 21· am the requestor of? 22· · · ·A.· · Not definitively, no. 23· · · ·Q.· · Undefinitively? 24· · · ·A.· · You -- It seems
like, I'm going to just 25· guess here, 150 to 200. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And you base that off of what? ·2· · · ·A.· · My lack of understanding as it relates to ·3· these different
LLCs that have come through our ·4· come through to our public records request, I - I ·5· don't know who they are.· They seem to have the same ·6· format as yours specifically, but
whether they're the ·7· same, I have no idea. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· You said 150 to 200? ·9· · · ·A.· · Guessing. 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· And of the requests that I have made, 11· Martin
O'Boyle, do you have any idea how much time has 12· been spent fulfilling those requests? 13· · · ·A.· · No. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The request that we're here for today, 15· Request
No. 332, do you know how much time was spent in 16· connection with that request? 17· · · ·A.· · I believe that that request is part and 18· parcel of several other requests that you
have made 19· and, cumulatively, I have no idea. 20· · · ·Q.· · Well, thank you for answering me, but now 21· would you answer the question I asked? 22· · · ·A.· · I have no idea. 23·
· · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Would you read the question 24· · · ·back?· I just want to make sure he understood 25· · · ·it. ·1· · · · ·(The requested portion was read back.) ·2· · · ·A.·
· I know that it's part and parcel of a ·3· cumulative public records request and that that ·4· amount of time for the cumulative request is part of ·5· - is included in the - 332 is
included in the ·6· cumulative request and how much time all of that ·7· took, I do not know. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Thank you.· But, again, that's not the ·9· question I asked.· We're asking
about Request No. 332. 10· · · ·A.· · I don't know. 11· · · ·Q.· · You don't know how much time was spent? 12· · · ·A.· · No. 13· · · ·Q.· · Did you ever ask the custodian of records?
14· · · ·A.· · No. 15· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· If I told you it was less than five 16· minutes, would that surprise you? 17· · · ·A.· · I have no comment. 18· · · ·Q.· · Well, give me a comment,
please. 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· His comment is -- The 20· · · ·question was asked and answered -21· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well -22· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- two or three
times. 23· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· -- I don't think that's 24· · · ·true.· I don't think that's true. 25· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·1· · · ·Q.· · Are you familiar with the billing for the time
·2· or how the billing for time is made by the custodian of ·3· records? ·4· · · ·A.· · Not specifically, no. ·5· · · ·Q.· · How about unspecifically? ·6· · · ·A.· · That we are charging
for excessive time ·7· that we are trying to respond as quickly as possible ·8· in a normal course of business. ·9· · · ·Q.· · I asked how much? 10· · · ·A.· · I don't know. 11· · ·
·Q.· · So you don't know how much the custodian is 12· billing for the time? 13· · · ·A.· · No -14· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 15· · · ·A.· · -- not specifically. 16· · · ·Q.· · That's fair enough.
17· · · · · · ·Is the custodian billing for time? 18· · · ·A.· · Yes. 19· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· I have in my hand a 20· · · ·group of exhibits from the Minor deposition, and
21· · · ·they are Exhibits 1 through 9, but they include 22· · · ·8A through 8L. 23· · · · · · ·Now, do you need to re-mark these, young 24· · · ·lady, or is that okay to stay that
way? 25· · · · · · ·THE REPORTER:· That's fine. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Is that all right with you, ·2· · · ·Skip? ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yes. ·4· · · · · · ·(Minor's Exhibits
1 to 9 were identified ·5· · · ·for the record.) ·6· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·7· · · ·Q.· · I'm going to ask you to compare this pile to ·8· your pile and tell me if you see anything at all
that's ·9· different besides maybe the font, or even the font I want 10· to you tell me about. 11· · · ·A.· · I -- I have no idea what you're talking 12· about. 13· · · ·Q.· · Okay.
14· · · ·A.· · I'm sorry. 15· · · ·Q.· · That's okay.· You'll take that pile -16· · · ·A.· · Take this pile. 17· · · ·Q.· · -- and you'll take that pile -18· · · ·A.· · Take this pile.
19· · · ·Q.· · -- and you'll compare the two piles, they're 20· not necessarily in order, you'll put them in order and 21· you'll tell me if they're identically the same, if none 22·
of them are the same, if half of them are the same, but 23· you'll compare it.· We can do it that way or I could go 24· ahead and we can go page by page by page, it's your 25· choice.
·1· ·A.· · I don't know what you want me to compare. ·2· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I think what he wants you ·3· ·to do is compare the two piles and advise the ·4· ·manner in which they
are either consistent with ·5· ·each other or inconsistent.· For instance, is ·6· ·there something in your pile that was not ·7· ·provided in Mr. Minor's pile -·8· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
Or vice versa. ·9· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- or vice versa? 10· · · · ·Now, that might take you some time and if 11· ·you wish to take some time to do that I suggest 12· ·we take a break
and allowed you to do that. 13· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Okay. 14· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You can do that right here. 15· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Well, if we're going to take 16· ·a break,
I'm going to take a break to use the 17· ·restroom -18· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, yes, you're certainly 19· ·entitled to do that. 20· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· -- and come back and do
21· ·this. 22· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· But the purpose of taking 23· ·the break is to take the time to do that. 24· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes, understood. 25· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Go
ahead. ·1· · · · · · · · · · · (Short break.) ·2· · · ·A.· · I am not sure -·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· If there's questions, Mr. ·4· · · ·Thrasher, we need to put them on the record.
·5· · · ·A.· · Okay.· I am not sure -- I thought what I ·6· provided for the record were Plaintiff's Exhibit 3 ·7· and 3A and B. ·8· · · ·Q.· · And C and D and -·9· · · ·A.· · Okay.
10· · · ·Q.· · -- right down the line. 11· · · ·A.· · Well, I've got 4 and 5 here. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· They shouldn't be in what you're 13· looking at now. 14· · · ·A.· · So, again,
3A, B, C, and D. 15· · · ·Q.· · All the way through the 3s. 16· · · ·A.· · Okay.· So I have a 9 -17· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 18· · · ·A.· · -- and a 10.· I believe I'm missing one 19· document.·
Can I ask a question? 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You better get on the 21· · · ·record. 22· · · ·A.· · I'm missing one document that I provided 23· here today, it's my staff report.
24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The ARPB report? 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· This one here was ·1· · · ·provided by Marty and I know I provided it here, ·2· · · ·but I can't tell
you -·3· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · ·Q.· · I remember, Mr. Thrasher, that we marked two ·5· documents early on and I think they were 3A and 3B. ·6· · · ·A.· · Correct. ·7· · · ·Q.· · And
I think it may have been one of those two. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· B. ·9· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · So if you can find 3A and 3B -11· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· 3B. 12· · · ·A.·
· Either one, if I can find -- Here's 3A.· I 13· cannot find 3B. 14· · · ·Q.· · You can't find 3B?· Was it legal size or was 15· it -16· · · ·A.· · It would be legal size, yes, but
bigger 17· print than this. 18· · · ·Q.· · Well, let's just look here. 19· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· All the ones from today are 20· · · ·in yellow, right? 21· · · · · · ·THE REPORTER:·
Yes. 22· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · ·Q.· · Can I see that pile, Mr. Thrasher? 24· · · ·A.· · This pile? 25· · · ·Q.· · Yes. ·1· · · ·A.· · It's two pages by themselves, one upside ·2·
down. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Yeah, I remember that one was upside down and ·4· -- Okay.· Well, I think we'll have to just for the moment ·5· do without it or else drop the lawsuit, and I think
we'll ·6· just do without it for now. ·7· · · ·A.· · This is what I -·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· It's got to be on the table ·9· · · ·somewhere, but I don't know where it is. 10·
· · ·A.· · These items -11· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 12· · · ·A.· · -- compare, this is Marty Minor's that 13· don't compare, I believe these are mine that do not 14· compare. 15· · · ·Q.·
· Okay.· So let's go through them, if we can. 16· I'm going to stand up. 17· · · ·A.· · Okay.· Yeah, I really don't want to do 18· that again. 19· · · ·Q.· · Exhibit 8A of the Minor
deposition, that's 20· really a singular document and not applicable to Mr. 21· Thrasher, it's just a cover sheet. 22· · · · · · ·We next go to No. 7 of the Minor deposition. 23· Can
you tell me what you brought, Mr. Thrasher, that 24· would match up with that? 25· · · ·A.· · I couldn't find anything. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So you do not have anything in ·2· connection
with 7; is that correct? ·3· · · ·A.· · No, I -- If I do, I can't find it.· These ·4· are the ones I haven't matched up -·5· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·6· · · ·A.· · -- and I've provided today
with the ·7· exception of 3B. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So No. 7 of Minor, Thrasher does not ·9· have.· So after we look at them, can we put them over on 10· that table. 11· · · · · · ·Okay.·
Next is Plaintiff's 6, this was from 12· the Minor deposition, and this is really not relevant in 13· the scheme of what we're doing right now.· This is one of 14· Mr. Randolph's many
"I do," "I don't do," and "I do" 15· letters, so we'll just put that one aside unless anybody 16· objects. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Can I see it? 18· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· This
is the one you were 19· · · ·representing Marty Minor. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Okay. 21· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Next is Item No. 5 of the Minor 23· deposition.·
What do we have, Mr. Thrasher, that would 24· match up to that? 25· · · ·A.· · I couldn't find anything. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Nothing? ·2· · · ·A.· · Yeah. ·3· · · ·Q.· · That's a nothing?
·4· · · ·A.· · Yeah, I don't have anything unless it's in ·5· there. ·6· · · ·Q.· · The next one I see is No. 3.· I don't see No. ·7· 4, but I guess we'll get to it in the pile.· No.
3 is the ·8· request that was made and that came from Mr. -·9· · · ·A.· · Minor. 10· · · ·Q.· · -- Minor's file. 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, when you say, 12· · · ·"request
that was made," do you mean the 13· · · ·subpoena? 14· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· No, the records request. 15· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Okay. 16· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· So I'm going
to ask you, 17· · · ·young lady, to put that over there. 18· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· The next document is the Subpoena Duces 20· Tecum for a Mr. Thrasher, at least I think
it's for Mr. 21· Thrasher - no, it's for Mr. Minor, I'm sorry, and you 22· have the sister to this, do you, Mr. Thrasher? 23· · · ·A.· · I don't have the sister to that, no. 24· · ·
·Q.· · Well, okay, I gave it to you earlier, but I 25· don't think it's relevant to what we're doing today. ·1· · · · · · ·What other documents -·2· · · ·A.· · Actually, let me just
say that this and 3B ·3· and this are unique when comparing Marty and me. ·4· · · ·Q.· · Does that mean, all the others are the same? ·5· · · ·A.· · Yeah, and -- Well, actually, I believe
·6· that this document - 'cause some of the e-mails were ·7· in - all of this goes here. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Can I see No. 5 and 7 again, 10· · · ·please?
11· · · ·A.· · But I still don't have 3B. 12· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So let's go now to the next one; is 13· that 7 or 9? 14· · · ·A.· · This is 9. 15· · · ·Q.· · Right, No. 9, and that
is the Architectural 16· AR - whatever it's called, AR -17· · · ·A.· · PB. 18· · · ·Q.· · -- PB Report.· And I'm just going to put here 19· "can't find Bill's right now." 20· · · ·A.·
· Okay. 21· · · ·Q.· · Okay?· I mean, we all know because it was 22· upside down, the one page. 23· · · · · · ·Okay.· This one is 8L, which I believe it 24· probably came off of somebody
else, I'm guessing? 25· · · ·A.· · Correct. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Do you have any idea what it came off of, Mr. ·2· Thrasher, because I thought I saw you had a document? ·3· · · ·A.· · This
is as a result of asking for window ·4· calculations on the east elevation. ·5· · · ·Q.· · Right, but I thought I saw it attached to one ·6· of these documents. ·7· · · ·A.· · It is,
it is. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Which one, may I ask? ·9· · · ·A.· · I think more than one; 3D. 10· · · ·Q.· · So I'm just going to use this.· I'm going to 11· say 8L is a plan; 3D Thrasher,
e-mail and plan; fair 12· enough? 13· · · ·A.· · Uh-huh. 14· · · ·Q.· · Okay?· ·Next? 15· · · ·A.· · So you're taking all - mine too and giving 16· them to her? 17· · · ·Q.· · The yellow
ones are the easy ones.· We can 18· tell which ones are yellow. 19· · · ·A.· · Okay. 20· · · ·Q.· · So when we're done, get them off the table and 21· not get them confused. 22· · ·
· · · ·Next one is 8K. 23· · · ·A.· · Okay. 24· · · ·Q.· · And -25· · · ·A.· · 3F. ·1· · · ·Q.· · So these two are what we're looking at.· Are ·2· my -·3· · · ·A.· · No. ·4· · · ·Q.·
· No? ·5· · · ·A.· · No. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·7· · · ·A.· · That one is in your left hand. ·8· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So, I see.· So 8K and I have 5 up here ·9· and I thought I had 5 --
I think it's 7 and I don't know 10· if I took it from you already.· Is there a yellow 7 over 11· there, Mr. Thrasher? 12· · · ·A.· · I think all I've got over here are 3s -13· · · ·Q.·
· Okay. 14· · · ·A.· · -- except for 3B. 15· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· So this here, and I'm 16· apologizing because I'm getting confused, this No. 5 is 17· the same of which one
of these; is it this? 18· · · ·A.· · I don't think I had that one. 19· · · ·Q.· · Yeah, this was in Marty Minor. 20· · · ·A.· · This is Marty Minor's to compare.· This 21· one has missing
8. 22· · · ·Q.· · No, these two don't compare, because here's a 23· number, five items, and here's five items. 24· · · ·A.· · You're right, you're right.· I don't know 25· what that
is. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Well, one question I have is -·2· · · ·A.· · I know we had it. ·3· · · ·Q.· · -- this document was produced by - I'm talking ·4· about Plaintiff's Exhibit
5 -·5· · · ·A.· · Here it is.· This is 4.· Oh, no, 4 is this ·6· one, my 3F. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·8· · · ·A.· · Five -·9· · · ·Q.· · Let me focus on 5 and we can pull 4 out next. 10·
· · ·A.· · Okay. 11· · · ·Q.· · In No. 5, this is Plaintiff's Exhibit in 12· connection with the Minor deposition, do you agree that 13· that was redacted? 14· · · ·A.· · No. 15· ·
· ·Q.· · No.· Why not? 16· · · ·A.· · It was covered up and because it was not 17· responsive to Public Records Request 332. 18· · · ·Q.· · Now, when Marty Minor did that, did he call
19· you up and say, "Hey, Records Request 332, I'd like to 20· take this bottom part off"?· I mean, how'd it happen? 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 22· · ·
·question, doesn't comport with the evidence. 23· · · ·A.· · I had no conversations with Marty Minor in 24· that regard. 25· · · ·Q.· · Then how did it get removed?· Did he do it ·1·
just on his own? ·2· · · ·A.· · No, I don't believe he did.· Rita Taylor ·3· did it. ·4· · · ·Q.· · But Rita Taylor didn't have this document. ·5· · · ·A.· · I -- I thought she did.
·6· · · ·Q.· · Well, I could be wrong. ·7· · · ·A.· · There's my 3B. ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Whose file was that in? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· The guy who found it. 10· · ·
·A.· · I don't -- I don't remember if she had it 11· or if she didn't have it.· I -- I just don't know the 12· answer to it. 13· · · ·Q.· · Right, but it's significant -14· · · ·A.·
· But I know I -15· · · ·Q.· · -- because -16· · · ·A.· · -- had conversations -17· · · ·Q.· · You did? 18· · · ·A.· · -- with her. 19· · · ·Q.· · Conversations? 20· · · ·A.· · Yeah,
I told you that. 21· · · ·Q.· · About this particular document or about the 22· other one? 23· · · ·A.· · About I guess it's -24· · · ·Q.· · Did you have this document, meaning 25·
Plaintiff's Exhibit 5 from the Minor deposition, in your ·1· pile? ·2· · · ·A.· · No, I can't find it. ·3· · · ·Q.· · You can't find it?· Did you look? ·4· · · ·A.· · Yeah, I did. ·5·
· · ·Q.· · Okay.· Good. ·6· · · ·A.· · I'll look again. ·7· · · ·Q.· · I pulled out earlier today a copy of what I ·8· called, "unredacted portion" of that e-mail that you said ·9·
was not responsive and, unfortunately, I can't find what 10· I did with it.· Do you have it in one of these piles 11· or -12· · · ·A.· · Would that have a sticker on it like this? 13·
· · ·Q.· · Actually, I think it's right here.· Okay.· So 14· Exhibit 5 and Exhibit 10 - Exhibit 5 Minor and Exhibit 10 15· Thrasher are the same; can we agree with that? 16· · · ·A.·
· No. 17· · · ·Q.· · No?· Okay.· I'm sorry, without the - they're 18· the same except that 10 has a lower e-mail and some minor 19· changes from whatever was put over to hide it. 20·
· · ·A.· · Correct. 21· · · ·Q.· · Okay. 22· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form. 23· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· All right.· I'm sorry? 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to
the form. 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Oh, okay. ·1· · · ·A.· · We weren't trying to hide it.· In fact, we ·2· haven't been trying to hide anything. ·3· · · ·Q.· · I'm certain about
it. ·4· · · ·A.· · Bad choice of answer on my part.· We did ·5· not try to hide it. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Nobody ever does. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· So now we're going to give 5 ·8· ·
· ·and 10 to you. ·9· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · What's next? 11· · · ·A.· · I don't know. 12· · · ·Q.· · Four I think is once again the same, is it 13· not?· Isn't that the same
as 5? 14· · · ·A.· · Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 on Minor deposition 15· is the same as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10 -16· · · ·Q.· · Right. 17· · · ·A.· · -- on Thrasher deposition. 18· · · ·Q.·
· So 4 and 5 Minor equals 10 Thrasher. 19· · · ·A.· · Okay. 20· · · ·Q.· · Fair enough? 21· · · ·A.· · Yep. 22· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· All right.· Next we are 8J.· What do we 23· have in
your pile, 8J Minor? 24· · · ·A.· · I think this is my 3M, but I do believe it 25· is also repeated in other documents in the pile. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Yes, I think there's a lot of -·2·
· · ·A.· · Duplication. ·3· · · ·Q.· · -- a lot of that. ·4· · · ·A.· · Uh-huh. ·5· · · ·Q.· · But this particular document, the closest we ·6· can come to from Marty Minor is what?·
And I say, "this ·7· particular document," this is Thrasher 3M.· What's the ·8· closest we can come to? ·9· · · ·A.· · I think it's Minor 8J. 10· · · ·Q.· · Well, let's see here.· He
says, "Bill, we can 11· confirm," and you say, "Okay."· So far the only 12· difference is, "okay," and this ends on -- Okay.· So we 13· can pretty much say I think -- Now, how come,
Mr. 14· Thrasher - this is 8J from Mr. Minor - the last e-mail is 15· an e-mail from you merely says, "okay," but why wouldn't 16· you produce that? 17· · · ·A.· · I might have.· I
don't see the word "okay" 18· in any of my responses. 19· · · ·Q.· · That e-mail came from your machine, computer? 20· · · ·A.· · Uh-huh.· Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · How did you search for
it? 22· · · ·A.· · By date, just going through the O'Boyle 23· file trying to find it. 24· · · ·Q.· · As an example, did you search "Minor" or did 25· you search "3211"? ·1· · · ·A.·
· No, I have -- When you engaged in regards ·2· to 3211, I put all of that into a folder "O'Boyle." ·3· · · ·Q.· · And why would that not be in there? ·4· · · ·A.· · I'm sure it is,
I just don't have it here ·5· today. ·6· · · ·Q.· · Do you remember I raised at the commission ·7· meeting that the gate on 3211 was not in conformance ·8· based upon, I forget all
of the Code numbers, but the A1A ·9· Code is 78-foot, the definition of "improvements," the 10· definition of "structure," and the Commission decided to 11· - I don't know how to say
it - either table it or they 12· got the applicant to say, "We won't deal with it today, 13· we'll deal with it just another day"; do you remember 14· that? 15· · · ·A.· · Yes. 16·
· · ·Q.· · Okay.· And then low and behold the very next 17· meeting Mr. Minor came up with a magic bullet, in my 18· opinion magic bullet, that being that the - I forget what 19· it's
called - Overlay District -20· · · ·A.· · Yes. 21· · · ·Q.· · -- permitted the sign - or not sign, permitted 22· the gate, do you remember that? 23· · · ·A.· · Not in that - those exact
terms. 24· · · ·Q.· · Tell me how you remember. 25· · · ·A.· · That section of the Code involving what ·1· you have just mentioned, the 78 feet, has a clause ·2· that stated, "unless
otherwise provided in this ·3· Code." ·4· · · ·Q.· · Okay. ·5· · · ·A.· · And that otherwise provided for is found ·6· in the Single Family Section, Section 70. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Right.
·8· · · ·A.· · And I don't know the specific sections of ·9· the Code, but it does speak about gates and piers and 10· walls to be located on the - on the property - inside 11· the
property line. 12· · · ·Q.· · Yes.· And I'm looking now at Article VII, 13· North Ocean Overlay District, and what it talks about 14· here is for the area within the Town beginning
at Sea 15· Road on the north -- That's the road we're on here, 16· correct? 17· · · ·A.· · Yes. 18· · · ·Q.· · -- and extending to Pelican Lane on the south, 19· extending 50-foot east
and west from east and west 20· boundaries of the right-of-way of A1A, so that's where 21· the Overlay District is. 22· · · · · · ·Then there's the other provision, which I 23· don't
know if I can find it quick enough, but it talks 24· about you have to be 78 feet.· Do you know the provision 25· off the top of your head? ·1· · · ·A.· · I'm going to guess 66.466.
·2· · · ·Q.· · 66.431. ·3· · · ·A.· · 431. ·4· · · ·Q.· · 431; 78 feet. ·5· · · · · · ·As Mr. Randolph knows and as you know and as ·6· the Commission knows, it is my belief that that
did not ·7· meet the requirements of the Code at all. ·8· · · · · · ·Did you ever speak to or did the commissioners ·9· ever speak to Mr. -- In other words, there was a 10· reversal.·
In other words, I would think the Overlay 11· District would have come up when it was going through the 12· approval process, but everybody sort of looked 13· dumbfounded, then the
next meeting Mr. Minor got up and 14· said it's the Overlay District that permits it.· Did you 15· have any type of correspondence, communications, phone 16· calls, discussions with
Mr. Minor regarding that? 17· · · ·A.· · No. 18· · · ·Q.· · Nothing? 19· · · ·A.· · I had an e-mail correspondence with him 20· which I suggested that we look at Section 66.431 in 21·
the future as it relates to potential Code Amendments 22· or evaluation and he agreed and we will look at it, 23· but to further relate I - because Section 66.431 24· refers you or
can refer you to the Design Manual, 25· Section 70, it re - it leaves all other zoning open ·1· for suspect or at least review. ·2· · · · · · ·By that I mean the recreational, the clubs
·3· - club, and the multifamily, and - but I think I ·4· responded to you in the very first meeting before it ·5· was deferred that I felt that the - there was no ·6· variance and that
this application met the Code. ·7· · · ·Q.· · The Town historically, haven't they, taken the ·8· position that the stricter application is what's used? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Excuse me, I object to the 10· · · ·question as it's totally irrelevant.· When you 11· · · ·were asking these questions in regard to 12· · · ·communications in regard to I thought it
was 13· · · ·relevant.· I don't think it's relevant what this 14· · · ·Town's historic interpretation of that has been. 15· · · · · · ·We've been going now from 10:30 this 16· · · ·morning,
we did take about a 45 minute break for 17· · · ·lunch, it's now 3:15, and if you'll insist on 18· · · ·continuing with these kinds of irrelevant 19· · · ·questions we'll terminate
the deposition. 20· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · ·Q.· · You may answer. 22· · · ·A.· · I'm not sure that I would make such a 23· claim outside of Mr. Randolph's direction. 24· · · ·Q.· ·
I'm so sorry.· I'm not hearing you with the 25· equipment outside. ·1· · · ·A.· · I would not make such a statement without ·2· referring to Mr. Randolph. ·3· · · ·Q.· · I see.· Mr.
Minor -·4· · · ·A.· · Uh-huh. ·5· · · ·Q.· · -- would he make such a statement? ·6· · · ·A.· · He could. ·7· · · ·Q.· · Did he? ·8· · · ·A.· · I believe he did. ·9· · · ·Q.· · So you
guys talked about it, communicated 10· about it?· What did you do? 11· · · ·A.· · I thought that was in an e-mail, I think 12· you have it, and that was it.· I put it on my list of
13· items to be reviewed for the next Code Amendment for 14· the Commission to determine only as it relates to 15· recreational and multifamily, whether or not that 16· specific section
of the Code referring to 78-foot is 17· applicable, still relevant, and that's their 18· decision. 19· · · ·Q.· · And I read Mr. Minor's e-mail. 20· · · ·A.· · Okay. 21· · · ·Q.· ·
And as I read it, what I read was, "the answer 22· I gave is different than the right answer"; did you come 23· to that conclusion as well? 24· · · ·A.· · Momentarily I did, momentarily.
25· · · ·Q.· · And when did you stop coming to that ·1· conclusion? ·2· · · ·A.· · Shortly thereafter, but not in the public ·3· meeting. ·4· · · ·Q.· · So in the public meeting you
thought that he ·5· was wrong. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, I'm going to ·7· · · ·interpose the same objection and say if you're ·8· · · ·going to continue down this road
of asking ·9· · · ·questions irrelevant to this deposition that we 10· · · ·will terminate the deposition and I'm not going 11· · · ·to let it go on that much longer.· If you want 12·
· · ·to keep doing this, go ahead. 13· · · · · · ·You've got a perfect opportunity here 14· · · ·between now and 5:00 to complete this deposition 15· · · ·by asking questions which
are relevant.· I don't 16· · · ·consider this relevant.· I'm not going to 17· · · ·instruct the witness not to answer, but if you 18· · · ·continue down this road we will terminate
the 19· · · ·deposition and we'll ask the Court to intervene. 20· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · ·Q.· · You may answer. 22· · · ·A.· · I forgot the question. 23· · · · ·(The requested portion
was read back.) 24· · · ·A.· · Who was wrong? 25· · · ·Q.· · Mr. Minor. ·1· · · ·A.· · No, I didn't come to that conclusion.· It ·2· caused me to question myself. ·3· · · ·Q.· · Did
you prepare any type of memoranda or ·4· e-mails or any type of documentation to the commissioners ·5· or to Rita, who obviously provides you input and ·6· assistance, and say, "Hey,
we may have a problem here. ·7· O'Boyle says it's this.· Minor did some investigation and ·8· what he's saying is O'Boyle might be right"?· He may have ·9· said just the opposite, but
were there any communications 10· or was it kept a secret from the commissioners? 11· · · ·A.· · It was not kept a secret. 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 13·
· · ·question.· You may answer it. 14· · · ·A.· · It wasn't kept a secret from the 15· Commission.· I believe during this time, shortly 16· after that public hearing, I went on vacation.·
I 17· think Rita and I had some correspondence and I - I 18· believe I told her verbally that we need to review it 19· to make sure that we're in a good position. 20· · · ·Q.· · Okay.·
All right.· What's next here? 21· · · ·A.· · I don't know. 22· · · ·Q.· · We have 8J -23· · · ·A.· · Before we go to 5:00, may I ask for 24· another break?· I apologize. 25· · · ·Q.·
· No, we're not going to go to 5:00 because I'm ·1· getting buzzed about every 3 seconds -·2· · · ·A.· · I have to use the restroom. ·3· · · ·Q.· · -- and I have to find a good place
to stop. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· If you have to use the ·5· · · ·restroom, go to the restroom. ·6· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· Mr. Thrasher has to go to the ·7· · · ·bathroom. ·8·
· · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Do you want to just stop ·9· · · ·now?· That's fine with me. 10· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· We can keep going.· He just 11· · · ·needed -- He can take a few
moments to go to the 12· · · ·restroom, give him a few moments. 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I've got people waiting for 14· · · ·me. 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I am taking medication.
16· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· You're going to go take your 17· · · ·medication? 18· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No, no, I've already taken 19· · · ·it. 20· · · · · · · · · · · (Short break.)
21· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · ·Q.· · I have 8J here, but I also have a comment on 23· my piece of paper that says it's almost like 3M.· This is 24· the one with the "okay." 25· · · ·A.·
· Okay. ·1· · · ·Q.· · Okay?· So we'll put this aside now? ·2· · · ·A.· · Okay. ·3· · · ·Q.· · So now we have 8I and it looks relevant to me. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's Minor
8I? ·5· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·6· · · ·Q.· · Minor 8I, so we need your 8I, Bill. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Let me see 8I for a second. ·8· · · ·You can keep looking for 8I. ·9· BY MR.
O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · Now, wait one second here.· Can we pull 3M 11· back out because I think this is an identical match? 12· This is 3M and this is -- So here we didn't have the
13· "okay." 14· · · ·A.· · So this goes with it. 15· · · ·Q.· · That would be 3L instead of 3M, so that 16· will -17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· So -18· · · ·A.· · I don't think they're
related actually. 19· · · ·Q.· · Well, they're all related, I think, in many 20· respects, but these are identical. 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· So I guess the question 22· · · ·pending
was whether or not in this stack that 23· · · ·Bill brought he could find one that was 24· · · ·identical to 8I. 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· 8I now, right. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
And you went down a little ·2· · · ·bit of a different track, but can I ask what his ·3· · · ·answer to your question was?· I think when you, ·4· · · ·not interrupted, but when you
attempted to ·5· · · ·clarify he found a document that he thought ·6· · · ·matched 8I. ·7· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Here it is right here, ·8· · · ·here's 8I. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Excuse me, didn't you find 10· · · ·a document -11· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah, I did. 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- that you were looking 13· · · ·for? 14· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:·
I did.· I gave it to her. 15· · · · · · ·Can you give me those back, please? 16· · · · · · ·THE REPORTER:· (Complied.) 17· · · ·A.· · This is 3L and 8I, they seem to be the 18· same
to me. 19· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· So let's just look at them for a 20· second. 21· · · ·A.· · And this is Marty's also. 22· · · ·Q.· · Well -23· · · ·A.· · I don't know what's going on.
24· · · ·Q.· · Now I'm confused.· I think you just -- This is 25· 3L and we took this, this is the sister to 8J, so I don't ·1· know how it got back out.· See the "okay"? ·2· · · ·A.·
· Yeah.· I don't -- I don't have an answer ·3· for you.· I see the "okay" now, but I didn't then, ·4· and that's probably because it was given -·5· · · ·Q.· · Do you want to go take
your medication? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Oh, come on.· I object to ·7· · · ·that. ·8· · · ·A.· · It's just blood pressure medicine.· I'm ·9· sorry, it's a diuretic. 10· · · ·Q.·
· I have the same problem, so. 11· · · · · · ·Okay.· So now we are at 8I. 12· · · ·A.· · 8I is same as that one? 13· · · ·Q.· · No, it's not.· This looks like the same.· 8I 14· and
3M -15· · · ·A.· · Okay. 16· · · ·Q.· · -- looks like the same? 17· · · ·A.· · Okay.· "We can confirm," "Bill, we can 18· confirm"; I would say, yes. 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· But
he also answered your 20· · · ·question that 8I and 3L were the same. 21· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· No, they're not. 22· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, wait a second. 23· · · ·You're
asking him the questions and he's 24· · · ·supposed to be giving the answer. 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· But the documents show ·1· · · ·differently. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Is that what you -·3· BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · ·Q.· · Yeah, 3L and 8J are identical. ·5· · · ·A.· · Can I see them again?· There's 8J.· Okay. ·6· I agree 8J and 3L are the same, they've
got "okay," ·7· "okay." ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Back to you, Jennifer. ·9· BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · ·Q.· · Okay.· Now, this one is not the same.· Okay. 11· So this one and this
one -12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· This may be a good time to 13· · · ·break because I think we're all getting a little 14· · · ·-- This one has all of this and this has none of 15·
· · ·that. 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· How is that going to work 17· · · ·on the record, "this one has all of this and 18· · · ·this one has none of that"? 19· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
That's why I said this may 20· · · ·be a good time to break and leave these out, but 21· · · ·that would be a great record, wouldn't it? 22· · · · · · ·But just to clear things up,
8I and 3M are 23· · · ·not the same.· 8I is a Minor exhibit and the 24· · · ·last portion of 3M has an extensive e-mail that 25· · · ·is not part of 8I, and 3M of course is Thrasher.
·1· · · · · · · · · (Short break.) ·2· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay?· Can we call it an ·3· ·afternoon?· I'm an hour-and-a-half late, but not ·4· ·really an hour-and-a-half late.· I'm
late. ·5· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· All right.· We're going to ·6· ·resume with Mr. -- I think he was out of the ·7· ·room. ·8· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes.· Mr. Thrasher, we are ·9· ·planning
on going with you at nine o'clock on 10· ·Wednesday morning unless you would rather see us 11· ·with Rita first. 12· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· May I just check my 13· ·calendar? 14· · ·
· ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes, go ahead. 15· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· 9:00 on Wednesday? 16· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Or if you want, you can come 17· ·over my house Tuesday night, have a couple 18·
·beers. 19· · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You don't drink. 20· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's true, but I might 21· ·start drinking. 22· · ·(The deposition adjourned at 3:30 p.m.) 23 24 25 ·1·
· · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE OF OATH ·2 ·3 ·4 ·5 ·6· STATE OF FLORIDA· · · ) ·7· COUNTY OF PALM BEACH· ) ·8 ·9· · · · · · ·I, the undersigned authority, certify that 10· WILLIAM H.
THRASHER, CGFO personally appeared before 11· me and was duly sworn. 12 13 14· · · · · · ·WITNESS my hand and official seal this 15· 25th day of June, 2013. 16 17 18 19 20· · · · ·
· · · · ·JENNIFER D. DiLORENZO · · · · · · · · · · ·Notary Public - State of Florida 21· · · · · · · · · ·My Commission No. EE 167698 · · · · · · · · · · ·Expires:· March 7, 2016 22
23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · REPORTER'S DEPOSITION CERTIFICATE ·2 · · STATE OF FLORIDA· · ·) ·3 · · COUNTY OF PALM BEACH ) ·4 ·5· · · · · · · ·I, JENNIFER D. DiLORENZO, Shorthand ·6· Reporter,
certify that I was authorized to and did ·7· stenographically report the deposition of WILLIAM H. ·8· THRASHER, CGFO; that a review of the transcript was ·9· requested; and that the
transcript is a true and 10· complete record of my stenographic notes. 11· · · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not a 12· relative, employee, attorney, or counsel of any of the
13· parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any of the 14· parties' attorney or counsel connected with the 15· action, nor am I financially interested in the action. 16 17· · ·
· · · ·Dated this 25th day of June, 2013. 18 19 20 21 22· · · · · · · ·JENNIFER D. DiLORENZO, · · · · · · · · ·Shorthand Reporter. 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2
· · ·Our Assignment No. 380468 ·3· ·Case Caption: ·4· ·Martin E. O'Boyle · · ·vs. ·5· ·Town of Gulf Stream ·6 ·7· · · DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY ·8· · · · ·I declare under
penalty of perjury ·9· ·that I have read the entire transcript of 10· ·my Deposition taken in the captioned matter 11· ·or the same has been read to me, and 12· ·the same is true and
accurate, save and 13· ·except for changes and/or corrections, if 14· ·any, as indicated by me on the DEPOSITION 15· ·ERRATA SHEET hereof, with the understanding 16· ·that I offer these
changes as if still under 17· ·oath. 18· · · · ·Signed on the ______ day of 19· ·____________, 20___. 20 21· ·___________________________________ 22· · · · WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO
23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2· Page No._____Line No._____Change to:____________ ·3· __________________________________________________ ·4· Reason for change:_________________
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_____________________ 19· Reason for change:________________________________ 20· Page No._____Line No._____Change to:______________ 21· __________________________________________________
22· Reason for change:________________________________ 23 24· SIGNATURE:_______________________DATE:___________ · · · · · · · WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · DEPOSITION
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_____________________ 23 24· SIGNATURE:_______________________DATE:___________ · · · · · · · WILLIAM H. THRASHER, CGFO 25
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· · ·IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL · · ·CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA · · · · · ·CASE NO. 502013CA006750XXXXMB AO MARTIN E. O'BOYLE, · · · · · Plaintiff,
-vsTOWN OF GULF STREAM, · · · · · Defendant. _____________________________________________________ · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF MARTY MINOR · · · · · ·TAKEN ON BEHALF OF THE PLAINTIFF
· · · · · · · · Wednesday, June 5, 2013 · · · · · · · · · ·9:14 - 11:55 a.m. · · · · · · · · · · · 100 Sea Road · · · · · · · Gulf Stream, Florida· 33483 Reported by: Kathleen Lusz,
RPR Job#377575 ·1· ·APPEARANCES: ·2· ·On behalf of the Plaintiff: ·3· · · · MARTIN E. O'BOYLE, Pro Se · · · · · COMMERCE GROUP ·4· · · · 1280 West Newport Center Drive · · · · · Deerfield
Beach, Florida· 33442 ·5· · · · Telephone:· 954.570.3518 ·6 ·7· ·On behalf of the Defendant: ·8· · · · JOHN C. RANDOLPH, Esquire · · · · · JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON & STUBBS ·9· · · ·
505 South Flagler Drive, Suite 1100 · · · · · West Palm Beach, Florida· 33401 10· · · · Telephone:· 561.650.0400 11 12· ·ALSO PRESENT: 13· · · · MARRETT W. HANNA, Esquire · · · · ·
WILLIAM THRASHER, Town Manager 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·I-N-D-E-X ·2· ·MARTY MINOR· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE ·3· ·Direct Examination
by Mr. O'Boyle· · · · · · ·4 ·4 ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· · · · · · · · · · E X H I B I T S· ·M A R K E D ·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· · · ·Plaintiff's ·7 · · ·No. 1·
· · · · · · · · ·Subpoena· · · · · · · 5 ·8· ·No. 2· · · · · · · · · · · CD· · · · · · · · ·7 · · ·No. 3· · · · · · · · Records Request· · · · ·34 ·9· ·No. 4· · · · · · · ·E-Mails 3/27/2013·
· · · 35 · · ·No. 5· · · · · · · ·E-Mail 3/27/2013· · · · ·49 10· ·No. 6· · · · · · · ·E-Mail· 6/4/2013· · · · ·65 · · ·No. 7· · · ·E-Mails 5/14/2013 & 5/15/2013· · 65 11· ·No. 8-A·
· · · · · ·Subpoena Documents· · · ·76 · · ·No. 8-B· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 12· ·No. 8-C· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-D· · · · · · · E-Mail 4/17/2013·
· · · 76 13· ·No. 8-E· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-F· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 14· ·No. 8-G· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-H·
· · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 15· ·No. 8-I· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-J· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 16· ·No. 8-K· · · · · · · E-Mails 3/27/2013·
· · ·82 · · ·No. 8-L· · · · · · · · · Drawing· · · · · · ·82 17· ·No. 9· · · · · · · · · · Report· · · · · · · 84 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF MARTY MINOR
·2· · · · · · · · · · · · ·JUNE 5, 2013 ·3· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· ·4· ·Thereupon, ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · MARTY MINOR, ·6· ·having been first duly sworn, was examined and
testified ·7· ·as follows: ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do. ·9· · · · · · · · · · · DIRECT EXAMINATION 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, my name is Martin O'Boyle.· And
I 12· ·am deposing you here today. 13· · · · · · ·Have you ever been deposed before? 14· · · · A.· ·No. 15· · · · Q.· ·If I ask you a question and you don't 16· ·understand it, please
stop me and ask me to explain it 17· ·or to repeat it so that you do understand it.· I would 18· ·not speculate.· If you don't know the answer to the 19· ·question, just say you don't
know.· And, of course, if 20· ·you do know, you do know. 21· · · · · · ·Do you have any questions in connection with 22· ·the process of the deposition? 23· · · · A.· ·No, I do not.
24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you receive a copy of the subpoena 25· ·duces tecum for today's deposition? ·1· · · · A.· ·Yes, I did. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Could we have this
-·3· · · · Have you seen this, Skip? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yes. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Could we have this ·6· · · · marked? ·7· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit
Number 1 was marked for ·8· ·identification.) ·9· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · · Q.· ·And what documents did you bring in response 11· ·to that subpoena? 12· · · · A.· ·Here are the documents
in paper and digital 13· ·form that you requested. 14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And are you familiar with the request 15· ·that was made to the Town of Gulf Stream for documents? 16· · · ·
A.· ·Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And would you like to see, or do you 18· ·think you remember it well enough?· Or do you have a 19· ·copy? 20· · · · A.· ·Is it the request that was included
in the 21· ·complaint? 22· · · · Q.· ·The answer is yes. 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, then I've seen it. 24· · · · Q.· ·Just out of curiosity, how did you get a copy 25· ·of the complaint? ·1·
· · · A.· ·Mr. Randolph sent it to me? ·2· · · · Q.· ·When did he send it to you may I ask? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· Yesterday. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Yesterday? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.·
·Okay.· So when you received the subpoena, you ·7· ·really didn't know what this was about? ·8· · · · A.· ·No. ·9· · · · Q.· ·You didn't speak to Mr. Thrasher or 10· ·Ms. Taylor? 11·
· · · A.· ·No.· I was asked to pull these documents that 12· ·you requested. 13· · · · Q.· ·From whom? 14· · · · A.· ·Mr. Thrasher initially, yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·And subsequent? 16·
· · · A.· ·I think this was just Mr. Thrasher.· I'm 17· ·sorry.· I misspoke. 18· · · · Q.· ·I'm sorry? 19· · · · A.· ·It was Mr. Thrasher.· It was just 20· ·Mr. Thrasher. 21· · · ·
Q.· ·And he asked you to pull the documents in 22· ·question? 23· · · · A.· ·Pull the documents. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And what you handed me is a disk which 25· ·is not designated
other than I guess it says TDK, Tango, ·1· ·Delta, Kilo, Life on Record, charlie, Delta, hyphen, ·2· ·Romeo, 52X 80 minutes, 700 megabytes with no other ·3· ·designation; would that
be correct? ·4· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ands it's in a white envelope. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Can we mark this as well? ·7· · · · · · ·Skip, do you need
to see this? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No. ·9· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 2 was marked for 10· ·identification.) 11· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· · · · Q.· ·Tell me if you would
the process -- Well, let 13· ·me go back beyond that. 14· · · · · · ·You work for - I'm going to see if I remember 15· ·right this time - Urban Design Kilday? 16· · · · A.· ·Studios.
17· · · · Q.· ·Studios.· I got it three-quarters right. 18· · · · · · ·How long have you been with Urban Design 19· ·Kilday Studios? 20· · · · A.· ·Since 1999. 21· · · · Q.· ·And what
is your position there?· For example, 22· ·are you -- I don't know how design studios work, but in 23· ·a law firm you might be a partner, an associate and of 24· ·counsel.· What would
be your role? 25· · · · A.· ·I am a senior planner. ·1· · · · Q.· ·Senior planner? ·2· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Are you just an employee, or are you an equity ·4· ·partner?
·5· · · · A.· ·An employee. ·6· · · · Q.· ·And what does a senior planner do? ·7· · · · A.· ·I get this question from my parents all the ·8· ·time.· A senior planner I'm assigned projects
either -·9· ·larger in the private side, some public side.· To -- On 10· ·the private side, to help design the project, determine 11· ·what can be built there, coordinate with each
of the 12· ·consultants to put together the applicable documents for 13· ·submittal to local government for the submittal.· And 14· ·then through the process I work with staff and at
times 15· ·make presentations to the deciding boards. 16· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh. 17· · · · A.· ·On the public side I am asked to sit on the 18· ·other side of the table to review application
projects 19· ·for the conformance with all applicable regulations. 20· · · · Q.· ·Looking at the private side first -- I don't 21· ·know if I was capable of writing down all you said
as 22· ·quickly as you said it.· What I wrote down was you do 23· ·design work, you coordinate with consultants.· You 24· ·didn't say this, but it's my words, you process or 25· ·obtain
the permits to take it through the necessary ·1· ·steps? ·2· · · · A.· ·Through the development approval process. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And you work with staff? ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · ·
· Q.· ·And when you say staff, if you were not ·6· ·Gulf Stream's consultant -·7· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. ·8· · · · Q.· ·-- but worked for a private developer who came ·9· ·in here, you
would work with Mr. Thrasher and/or 10· ·Ms. Taylor as being the staff? 11· · · · A.· ·Correct. 12· · · · Q.· ·And for the City of West Palm Beach, I assume 13· ·they have a bigger
department of people who do it 14· ·full-time, and you go in and work with those folks? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·That's a fair analogy? 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · Q.·
·And on the public side, who do you represent 19· ·on the public side? 20· · · · A.· ·Currently Gulf Stream. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when I say you, I don't mean you. 22· ·And I apologize
for that. 23· · · · A.· ·Okay. 24· · · · Q.· ·I mean Urban Kilday -25· · · · A.· ·Urban Design Kilday Studios. ·1· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· That's what I mean. ·2· · · · A.· ·In the past we
worked for Palm Beach County, ·3· ·we worked for Ocean Ridge, Delray Beach, a multitude of ·4· ·different local governments. ·5· · · · Q.· ·And of that multitude, how many of them do
you ·6· ·work for on say June 5, 2013? ·7· · · · A.· ·The Town of Gulf Stream. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What happened with Palm Beach County? ·9· · · · A.· ·Palm Beach County I believe
the firm did work 10· ·on zoning and site plan details regarding some waste 11· ·water treatment plans. 12· · · · Q.· ·And? 13· · · · A.· ·And we get those approved through the local
14· ·process. 15· · · · Q.· ·But what made -- What happened that made your 16· ·relationship, contract, whatever it was come to an end? 17· · · · A.· ·The approval of the waste water
treatment plan 18· ·or the amendment to the waste water treatment plan. 19· · · · Q.· ·I see.· So it was task specific? 20· · · · A.· ·Correct. 21· · · · Q.· ·You performed that task
specific, and you 22· ·finished much like a lawyer might finish a trial for 23· ·someone? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when was that? ·1· · · · A.· ·Well, the firm
has done several.· I've not ·2· ·been involved with the majority of them so I don't know ·3· ·those time frames. ·4· · · · · · ·The one I assisted with was in Royal Palm ·5· ·Beach
and that was done, I'm guessing, two years ago. ·6· · · · Q.· ·And was that another sewer? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yeah.· Waste water treatment plan.· It was an ·8· ·amendment to an existing
plan. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And is that what the firm specializes in? 10· · · · A.· ·We provide general planning and landscaping 11· ·services for all types of developments, largely private
12· ·development. 13· · · · Q.· ·So if I wanted to build a cyclotron in my 14· ·backyard, I would contact you? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·In Ocean Ridge what did you do? 17·
· · · A.· ·I prepared their evaluation and appraisal 18· ·report and prepared the comprehensive plan amendments 19· ·that resulted from the evaluation and appraisal report. 20· · ·
· Q.· ·Are you a licensed appraiser? 21· · · · A.· ·No, I'm not an appraiser. 22· · · · Q.· ·And did I miss it, or did you say you prepared 23· ·the appraisal? 24· · · · A.· ·The evaluation
and appraisal report.· It is a 25· ·state mandated update and review of each town's ·1· ·comprehensive plan. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· Not evaluation. ·3· · · · A.· ·Not evaluation. ·4·
· · · Q.· ·I see.· Okay.· And so you prepared that plan, ·5· ·I guess, at the behest of Ocean Ridge? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·And was that a job sort of like in Palm Beach
·8· ·County where it was task specific and at the end of the ·9· ·completion of the task that that was the end of the -10· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the result
of the fruits of your 12· ·labor there, can you tell me as if I were your mother 13· ·how proud you are of...· You can finish the sentence. 14· · · · A.· ·You lost me there.· You mentioned
my mother; I 15· ·started thinking about my mother. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 17· · · · A.· ·Can you rephrase. 18· · · · Q.· ·You said my mother asks me this all the time. 19· · · · A.·
·Yes, I know.· Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·And what I am asking is the fruits of your -21· ·What actually occurred as a result of your labor?· As an 22· ·example, if I'm a carpenter banging
nails, you can see 23· ·the garage I built as the fruits of the labor. 24· · · · · · ·What were the fruits of your labor? 25· · · · A.· ·The state mandated evaluation and appraisal
·1· ·report was reviewed and adopted by the state as an ·2· ·approved document.· As a result, comprehensive plan ·3· ·amendments were made, went through the review process in ·4· ·the
Town of Ocean Ridge and was adopted.· So the ·5· ·comprehensive plan was amended to update their ·6· ·comprehensive plan to address new state laws and ·7· ·changing conditions within
the town. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And this was Marty Minor as opposed to ·9· ·someone else at the firm? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the Palm Beach County and Royal 12·
·Palm Beach was not Marty Minor, meaning leading the 13· ·charge? 14· · · · A.· ·Correct. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Delray Beach.· Tell me about that. 16· · · · A.· ·So in the past people
in my firm had worked 17· ·with the city to develop design guidelines for the beach 18· ·property area. 19· · · · Q.· ·And give me an example.· I think of sand when 20· ·I think of
the beach. 21· · · · A.· ·There is a neighborhood out on the island in 22· ·Delray Beach as many single family homes and designed -23· ·We developed, at the city's request, design guidelines,
24· ·and I think the neighborhood's request too, design 25· ·guidelines for the review of new homes and amendments to ·1· ·homes. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· And was that you or someone
else in ·3· ·the firm? ·4· · · · A.· ·That was someone else. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And did they adopt all of your ·6· ·recommendations? ·7· · · · A.· ·Where? ·8· · · · Q.· ·In Delray
Beach? ·9· · · · A.· ·In Delray Beach?· I was not part of that. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you just don't know? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· · · · Q.· ·And that's fair enough. 13·
· · · · · ·You mentioned after Delray Beach you mentioned 14· ·multiple other towns.· Rather than go through them all, 15· ·can you just tell me of the multiple other towns the 16·
·ones that you were -17· · · · A.· ·Involved with.· I believe that's it that I can 18· ·remember. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So unless I'm missing, you did -- I 20· ·don't know that I have
it written right, the mandated 21· ·appraisal and comprehensive plan for Ocean Ridge, and 22· ·you represent Gulf Stream? 23· · · · A.· ·Correct. 24· · · · Q.· ·What do you do for the
rest of the day? 25· · · · A.· ·The rest of my day I work on private ·1· ·development. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· And I assume that the private ·3· ·development is it local in Palm Beach
or throughout the ·4· ·United States? ·5· · · · A.· ·South Florida.· Majority in Palm Beach County. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when you work on these private ·7· ·projects, if I came
in to you and said I want to build a ·8· ·hotel on Okeechobee Boulevard, what can you do for me? ·9· ·Or can you give me a proposal, I live in Nebraska, and I 10· ·don't want to really
bother with it; what would you do 11· ·for me? 12· · · · A.· ·First, we would do a proposal for our 13· ·services.· And our services include due diligence on the 14· ·property to make
sure you can build a hotel there.· Or 15· ·what would be the process to have a hotel built there. 16· ·We would review all the applicable codes, the 17· ·comprehensive plan amendments,
coordinate or at least 18· ·inform the developer regarding regulations concerning 19· ·traffic concurrency, concurrency regarding other 20· ·municipal services. 21· · · · · · ·From
that point if the -- you know, the 22· ·concurrency and the zoning are in place or can be 23· ·reasonably obtainable, then we go into the design.· Work 24· ·with the architect.· We
don't design buildings, but we 25· ·help, you know, where the buildings would go on the ·1· ·piece of property, help design access points and ·2· ·landscaping. ·3· · · · Q.· ·So as
to the last few, I have site layout, ·4· ·access points, landscaping; fair enough? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you would have, I guess, outside ·7· ·consultants that
you would work with like a first grade ·8· ·architect, such as Bob Cary (phonetic) as an example, or ·9· ·top engineer, an engineer who is very familiar with the 10· ·process and so
forth? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes.· We work -12· · · · Q.· ·And would you assemble that team? 13· · · · A.· ·If requested.· Other times a landowner will 14· ·have his team in place or a part
of his team in place. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Tell me about your life before 1999. 16· · · · A.· ·What would you like to know? 17· · · · Q.· ·We can start with 1998. 18· · · · A.· ·1998.·
I was a principal planner with the City 19· ·of Palm Beach Gardens. 20· · · · Q.· ·And what does that mean? 21· · · · A.· ·At that time I reviewed applications coming in 22· ·to the
city for development projects, and supervised two 23· ·or three planners. 24· · · · Q.· ·And when you say supervised two or three 25· ·planners, I'm going to assume you're a young man.·
In ·1· ·1998, it's 15 years ago, you were a very young man.· And ·2· ·two or three planners under you, they must have been ·3· ·junior to you? ·4· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·5· · · · Q.·
·Okay.· So I'm going to say three junior ·6· ·planners; would that be fair? ·7· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So your role there was akin to ·9· ·Mr. Thrasher's role here?
10· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm not a town manager.· This was 11· ·strictly -- And I wasn't the planning director.· I was 12· ·head of the current planning provision.· There was a 13· ·comprehensive
plan provision also. 14· · · · Q.· ·The planning director, what was his role? 15· · · · A.· ·Actually, at that time it was a lady.· And her 16· ·role was -17· · · · Q.· ·I'm sorry.
18· · · · A.· ·That's okay. 19· · · · · · ·-- was to run the department, oversee the 20· ·operations, you know, including the budgets, human 21· ·resource issues.· And then also working
with the town -22· ·the city manager there. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I assume you? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did she ever override you? ·1· · · · A.· ·You mean disagree
or object to -- What do you ·2· ·mean override? ·3· · · · Q.· ·In my shop we may say we're going to put this ·4· ·clause in a contract.· And they bring the contract to ·5· ·me, and
I say I don't think we should put it in; I'm ·6· ·going to take it out.· So essentially the younger ·7· ·person -- I'm an old guy.· The younger person would want ·8· ·it in, and I would
override him by saying it's not going ·9· ·in.· Did that ever happen? 10· · · · A.· ·Oh, yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·And was that a once in a blue moon or -12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse
me.· Let me interrupt 13· · · · for a moment and state this in the form of an 14· · · · objection, and ask you, Mr. O'Boyle, how this 15· · · · question and your previous questions
are calculated 16· · · · to lead to admissible evidence in this particular 17· · · · case? 18· · · · · · ·And I would like to say that for the record, 19· · · · and I don't need to
say it because the complaint is 20· · · · part of the record, that this case deals with four 21· · · · counts:· One, the Town charged too much for 22· · · · documents provided; two,
that it improperly 23· · · · redacted a document; three, that all of the 24· · · · documents requested were not provided; and, four, 25· · · · that the documents were not provided in
electronic ·1· ·format as you have requested. ·2· · · · This witness has come in response to a ·3· ·subpoena today to address the issues -·4· · · · MS. HANNA:· Excuse me.· Can you stop?·
Can you ·5· ·go off the record? ·6· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· You can't go off the ·7· ·record. ·8· · · · MS. HANNA:· Yes, you can. ·9· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm making an objection.·
It's 10· ·a speaking objection that I'm making. 11· · · · MS. HANNA:· You -12· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Are you attorney 13· ·for this, gentleman? 14· · · · MS. HANNA:· Yes,
I am. 15· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Then will you file a notice of 16· ·appearance? 17· · · · MS. HANNA:· We're paying per minute -- for 18· ·words here.· You don't need to have -19· · ·
· MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me. 20· · · · MS. HANNA:· You can make an objection, but you 21· ·don't need to make such a long speaking objection. 22· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I have the right
to do that. 23· · · · MS. HANNA:· You don't need to say the 24· ·complaint.· And I'm not going to argue about that. 25· ·You can make your objection. ·1· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse
me.· If you are ·2· ·representing Mr. O'Boyle -·3· · · · MS. HANNA:· Please stop typing for a second. ·4· ·We are off the record. ·5· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· We are not off the record.
·6· · · · MS. HANNA:· We're off the record. ·7· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· We are not off the record.· If ·8· ·you are representing Mr. O'Boyle, you should file a ·9· ·notice of appearance.·
If you are going to -10· · · · MS. HANNA:· I can make a limited appearance. 11· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· You are going to have to file a 12· ·notice of appearance. 13· · · · MS. HANNA:·
Mr. O'Boyle.· Will you ask her to 14· ·stop typing, please? 15· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· She will not stop. 16· · · · MS. HANNA:· He has no reason to continue. 17· ·It's a waste of your
money to keep her typing. 18· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· I am inclined to just let him 19· ·finish. 20· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· So there were four counts.· And 21· ·I indicated that this witness
has been subpoenaed 22· ·in order to address issues related to this 23· ·particular case. 24· · · · I think -- I have allowed these questions to 25· ·go on, because I think you're trying
to establish ·1· · · · the background of this gentleman, which I think is ·2· · · · fair.· But then you started getting into questions ·3· · · · about whether or not a supervisor has
ever ·4· · · · overruled him.· And then your next question was ·5· · · · once in a blue moon or how many times. ·6· · · · · · ·My question to you in follow up to my ·7· · · · objection
is how that is calculated to lead to ·8· · · · admissible discovery in this particular case? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I am allowed a great deal of 10· · · · latitude in a deposition.·
Your record is -- Or 11· · · · your objection is noted for the record. 12· · · · · · ·And was there an outstanding question? 13· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.)
14· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It was part of the overall work 15· · · · operation.· It was part -- You draft letters.· You 16· · · · draft reports.· It gets passed around.· It gets 17·
· · · marked up.· It gets changed. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Fair enough.· Your current position 20· ·at -- I'm going to call it Urban; is that okay? 21· · · · A.·
·That's fine. 22· · · · Q.· ·You started in '99.· We just talked about '98. 23· ·Were you with the city there before '98? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·May I ask when you started?
·1· · · · A.· ·I started there in 19 -- excuse me, 1989. ·2· ·Approximately, to be clear, for nine months I believe in ·3· ·the mid '90s, in '94, '95, I worked for the City of ·4· ·Greenacres.·
I left Gardens, went to Greenacres for nine ·5· ·months, and then came back to Gardens. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I assume '95 to '98 at Gardens your ·7· ·position was the same? ·8· · ·
· A.· ·No. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Can you tell me what your position was 10· ·in '95? 11· · · · A.· ·'95 I was a Planner 2.· Planner number two. 12· ·They had Planner 1 and Planner 2.
13· · · · Q.· ·And in the briefest of fashions can you tell 14· ·me what that means? 15· · · · A.· ·You are a reviewing planner to provide 16· ·information to the public and to review
development 17· ·projects and assist the principal planners. 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And from '89 to '94? 19· · · · A.· ·I was a planning technician. 20· · · · Q.· ·And again in the briefest
of fashions can 21· ·you -22· · · · A.· ·Planning technician was the -- sat at the 23· ·front desk answering questions regarding planning 24· ·issues, I took minutes at some meetings,
and did the 25· ·initial processing of applications, the distribution of ·1· ·plans, and then also begin the early stages of review. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Is the planning technician in the
City of ·3· ·Palm Beach Gardens, is that the low man on the totem ·4· ·pole? ·5· · · · A.· ·Pretty much, yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay. ·7· · · · A.· ·An entry position. ·8· · · · Q.· ·And
I assume before '89 you were in high ·9· ·school? 10· · · · A.· ·No.· No, I was not. 11· · · · Q.· ·And can you tell me where you were? 12· · · · A.· ·I was working as the editor of
a weekly 13· ·newspaper in Martin County, The Martin County News. 14· · · · Q.· ·And for what period was that? 15· · · · A.· ·Roughly? 16· · · · Q.· ·Roughly. 17· · · · A.· ·For two
years. 18· · · · Q.· ·'87 to '89? 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·And this was a local like a weekly, like The 21· ·Coastal Star or whatever it is here? 22· · · · A.· ·It was a weekly
newspaper. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· All right.· And before that? 24· · · · A.· ·I was a reporter with the Stuart, Florida 25· ·News. ·1· · · · Q.· ·And that was from when to '87? ·2· ·
· · A.· ·That was from '86 through '87. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And that was in Stuart as well? ·4· · · · A.· ·That's in Stuart too. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Was that weekly or daily? ·6· · · · A.· ·That's
a daily newspaper. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are we ready to get you into college yet? ·8· · · · A.· ·You've reached that point. ·9· · · · Q.· ·All right.· Can you tell me about that? 10· · ·
· A.· ·I attended college at Ohio University from 11· ·1981 through 1985. 12· · · · Q.· ·And you've received? 13· · · · A.· ·Bachelor's in Science of journalism. 14· · · · Q.· ·How
does one get from journalism to planning 15· ·cyclotrons in peoples' backyards? 16· · · · A.· ·I am not real sure what a cyclotron is.· But 17· ·as a reporter, I attended a lot of planning
board 18· ·meetings and became interested.· Then while I was a 19· ·planning technician in Palm Beach Gardens, and actually 20· ·even before then, I took night classes at Florida 21·
·Atlantic University where I received my master's in 22· ·Urban and Regional Planning in 1995. 23· · · · Q.· ·So you have a master's in Regional Planning? 24· · · · A.· ·Urban and Regional
Planning, yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·So when you worked for the City of ·1· ·Palm Beach Gardens in '89 to '94 as a planning ·2· ·technician -·3· · · · A.· ·Planning technician. ·4· · · · Q.·
·-- you really had no background? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· I was taking classes at the time.· I was ·6· ·familiar with the process from my journalism background. ·7· ·And I had writing and
research skills that were ·8· ·attractive when they -- I guess, you know, when they ·9· ·hired me. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I may have written it down, and if I 11· ·ask you again, I apologize,
but you came to Gulf Stream 12· ·at what point?· Was it '99 was when you started with 13· ·Urban? 14· · · · A.· ·With Urban Design, yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·Yeah.· And this was right after
the City of 16· ·Palm Beach Gardens? 17· · · · A.· ·Correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·And when did you come to Gulf Stream? 19· · · · A.· ·I started working for the Town in 2005. 20· · · · Q.·
·And before that, you were doing work solely 21· ·for the private sector? 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· Yeah.· That I can remember. 23· · · · Q.· ·Pardon? 24· · · · A.· ·That I can remember.·
I don't remember -25· · · · Q.· ·That's okay. ·1· · · · A.· ·-- anyone else. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Generally stated. ·3· · · · A.· ·Generally stating. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Your relationship
with Gulf Stream, how ·5· ·did that come about? ·6· · · · A.· ·For the evaluation and appraisal report, the ·7· ·Town sought a proposal.· And we provided a proposal, and ·8· ·it was
accepted.· And we began the process of doing that ·9· ·evaluation and appraisal report. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So these are my words, not yours.· Just 11· ·tell me if I am incorrect.·
The relationship started 12· ·with the appraisal and evaluation report? 13· · · · A.· ·The evaluation and appraisal report. 14· · · · Q.· ·All right.· You got me on that one. 15· ·
· · · · ·Okay.· And that was done, meaning you gained 16· ·that -- I'm looking for the word.· I just can't find it. 17· ·Excuse me. 18· · · · · · ·But you gained that assignment as
a result of 19· ·an RFP? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't know.· A member of my firm had already 21· ·worked with the Town on the design manual.· And so I 22· ·don't know what prompted -23· ·
· · Q.· ·Okay. 24· · · · A.· ·-- for the year. 25· · · · Q.· ·So a member of the firm worked on the design ·1· ·manual, which I call the red book.· Is that the one you ·2· ·are talking
about? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, Chapter 70. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Before the evaluation and the ·5· ·appraisal? ·6· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I guess that person when
they were ·8· ·given the assignment, they said Marty Minor is the guy ·9· ·to handle it; is that -10· · · · A.· ·For the evaluation and appraisal report? 11· · · · Q.· ·Appraisal report,
yes. 12· · · · A.· ·Yeah, it was assigned to me. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, in Ocean Ridge it sounded like the 14· ·function or the assignment was identical? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct.
16· · · · Q.· ·And in Ocean Ridge when the assignment was 17· ·completed, that was the end? 18· · · · A.· ·Correct. 19· · · · Q.· ·In Gulf Stream, that's not what happened? 20· · ·
· A.· ·We continued to provide services. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And what services did you continue to 22· ·provide? 23· · · · A.· ·We provided the study regarding the annexation 24·
·area. 25· · · · Q.· ·That was just recently though, wasn't it? ·1· · · · A.· ·That was -- Yes.· And the state mandated ·2· ·report for that.· There wasn't -- Your process took ·3·
·several years.· And then there was a comprehensive plan ·4· ·amendment to complete that process. ·5· · · · Q.· ·I have somewhere, and I don't know if I'll ·6· ·find it quick enough,
but agendas from the meetings.· I ·7· ·think it's called the ARPB meeting and the commission ·8· ·meeting. ·9· · · · · · ·And there they have on their agendas projects 10· ·for approval
of sorts, whether it be a new or remodel or 11· ·whatever the case is.· At what point did you get 12· ·involved in those projects? 13· · · · A.· ·At the request of the town manager.
14· · · · Q.· ·At what point? 15· · · · A.· ·At what point?· I don't remember when that 16· ·started.· Sometimes it's just a simple question, and I'm 17· ·not involved.· Other things
where it's a full review. 18· ·But when that started, I couldn't tell you.· I'm sorry. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well, I don't know either.· But I've 20· ·been around now for about six
months.· And it seems to 21· ·me for at least the six months you're fully engaged. 22· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 23· · · · question. 24· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
Pardon? 25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the ·1· · · · question. ·2· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·3· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. ·4· · · · A.· ·What is the question? ·5· · ·
· Q.· ·I said I've been around for about six months, ·6· ·and it essentially seems that you have been fully ·7· ·engaged in the process of the projects as shown on the ·8· ·agendas.
·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· The objection is based on the 10· · · · term "fully engaged".· I don't know what that 11· · · · means. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·You have been
engaged? 14· · · · A.· ·Just those projects that was specifically 15· ·requested to review, not all projects am I involved. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Tell me what project that you can 17·
·remember of late where you were let's say heavily 18· ·involved, let's say involved other than at a minor 19· ·level, at a high level? 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, but
I'd like to 21· · · · state my objection.· And I would like to base it on 22· · · · the fact that this question is not reasonably 23· · · · calculated to lead to admissible evidence.
24· · · · · · ·And I would like you to define for us how this 25· · · · might lead to admissible evidence in this case. ·1· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Again, I am allowed a broad ·2· ·latitude
in a deposition.· You have made your ·3· ·objection for the record. ·4· · · · And now if the witness -·5· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I would like an answer to that. ·6· ·Because at some point
we may have to go before the ·7· ·Court in regard to this deposition, and I would ·8· ·like you to give a reason how this question leads ·9· ·to -- is reasonably calculated to lead
to 10· ·admissible evidence in this limited public records 11· ·case. 12· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· It will provide -- Well, first 13· ·of all, I don't know everything it will provide. 14·
· · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Just for the record, let it be 15· ·noted that the person in attendance here who is a 16· ·lawyer who has not filed a notice of appearance in 17· ·this case is
passing notes to the client. 18· · · · MS. HANNA:· Also for the record, let it be 19· ·noted that the person in attendance can enter a 20· ·limited appearance, and I have done so. 21·
· · · And also for the record, let it be noted that 22· ·Mr. Randolph has a questionable authority to enter 23· ·appearance for Mr. Minor as Mr. Minor is a 24· ·consultant and a nonparty
in this proceeding. 25· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· For the record - ·1· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· And Mr. Randolph is representing ·2· · · · the Town and not Mr. Minor. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
And she is absolutely correct. ·4· · · · I represent the Town and not Mr. Minor.· And I'm ·5· · · · not giving any directions to Mr. Minor in regard to ·6· · · · what he should or should
not do in this deposition. ·7· · · · · · ·I'm representing the Town and making my ·8· · · · objections on behalf of the Town. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· In response to your inquiry,
are 10· · · · you instructing the witness not to answer? 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· Did you hear me instruct 12· · · · the witness not to answer? 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
No, I certainly didn't. 14· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15· · · · Q.· ·Then would you kindly respond? 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· But I asked you if you 17· · · · could advise us as to
how your questions are 18· · · · reasonably calculated to the lead to admissible 19· · · · evidence in this case. 20· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I'd like to continue on.· I 21· · · ·
think it will become obvious with the passing of 22· · · · time. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· So you refuse to answer that 24· · · · question? 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I think
I have. ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·Would you kindly answer the question? ·3· · · · A.· ·One of the projects was the Spence property ·4· ·subdivision. ·5· · · · Q.· ·And you
would -- This is in the form of a ·6· ·question:· You would call that sort of a full-blown ·7· ·review by you? ·8· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, there was also a review
of 10· ·23 North Hidden Harbour Drive; would you call that a 11· ·full-blown review by you? 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to 13· · · · continue my objections relating
to whether these 14· · · · questions are reasonably calculated to lead to 15· · · · admissible evidence in this case.· And I will state 16· · · · that objection for every question that
I do not 17· · · · feel is leading to admissible evidence. 18· · · · · · ·And I would like you to explain for the record 19· · · · how these questions are calculated to lead to 20·
· · · admissible evidence in this public records case. 21· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I have. 22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · · Q.· ·Would you answer the question? 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
You have not answered it.· You 25· · · · have stated that you've refused to answer it. ·1· · · · · · ·You refuse to answer this one also? ·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's what you
say. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Would you kindly answer the question. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· When you say that's what I say, ·6· · · · show me on the record where you
have answered how ·7· · · · this is reasonably calculated to lead to admissible ·8· · · · evidence in this case. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I said with the passing of time 10· · ·
· I think the mosaic will become clear. 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, that's not an answer. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Are you instructing him not to 13· · · · answer? 14· ·
· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not instructing him not to 15· · · · answer. 16· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Then would you answer the question, sir? 18· · · · A.· ·I reviewed the materials
that were provided to 19· ·me. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· But would you call the Spence 21· ·subdivision, we between us said it was a full-blown 22· ·review, 23 Hidden Harbour -23· · · ·
A.· ·It was a review.· It was a full review. 24· · · · Q.· ·Full review.· Okay. 25· · · · · · ·There was another property - and I may have ·1· ·the name wrong; I hope not - I think
the MacDonald ·2· ·property?· Mr. Wietsma, Wiesma (phonetic) was the ·3· ·architect. ·4· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·5· · · · Q.· ·What was your review on that? ·6· · · · A.· ·I reviewed that
also. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And am I correct it is MacDonald ·8· ·property? ·9· · · · A.· ·Correct. 10· · · · Q.· ·And that we would put in the same category as 11· ·the others, a full
review or full-blown review? 12· · · · A.· ·It was a full review. 13· · · · Q.· ·Fair enough. 14· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 3 was marked for 15· ·identification.) 16· ·BY
MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm going to show you what is 18· ·Plaintiff's Exhibit 3 and ask you to take a look at 19· ·that. 20· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Is this the same that
was provided in 21· ·the complaint? 22· · · · Q.· ·I'm virtually certain it was, but I will 23· ·double check to make sure.· Yes. 24· · · · · · ·You have seen it? 25· · · · A.· ·I have
seen it. ·1· · · · Q.· ·And you have reviewed it? ·2· · · · A.· ·I've reviewed this. ·3· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 4 was marked for ·4· ·identification.) ·5· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
·6· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to hand you Plaintiff's ·7· ·Exhibit 4.· And I'm going to ask that perhaps you share ·8· ·with Mr. Randolph.· And I'm going to ask you if you've ·9· ·ever
seen that? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·And where did you see it for the first time? 12· · · · A.· ·On my computer. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· There are two e-mails on there, 14· ·correct?
15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·And sometimes with me I'll have eight pages of 17· ·e-mails.· They just keep growing one after another. 18· ·This is one page and sort of ends
a little bit on the 19· ·abrupt side.· Is that the only page? 20· · · · A.· ·The only page of what? 21· · · · Q.· ·Of the e-mails.· In other words, sometimes 22· ·you'll have, Dear
Marty, would you be there Friday? 23· · · · · · ·Yes, Fred, I will be. 24· · · · · · ·Marty, would you bring your bow and arrow? 25· · · · · · ·Yes, Fred.· And I will bring my paperclips.
·1· · · · · · ·Whatever.· And they just keep going.· You've ·2· ·seen that I'm sure. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Is that the entire enchilada or is that -·5· · · · A.· ·I believe
so without -- I believe so. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If it's not, it would be in this ·7· ·package; am I correct? ·8· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And that document, am I
correct, could have 10· ·been furnished electronically? 11· · · · A.· ·It was sent to me electronically.· It was sent 12· ·back electronically.· And it should be on your disk. 13· ·
· · Q.· ·Right.· But I mean you sent it electronically; 14· ·it was sent back electronically.· Or it was sent to you 15· ·electronically, and it was sent back electronically, 16· ·correct?
17· · · · A.· ·Correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·So the document could have been given 19· ·electronically? 20· · · · A.· ·You know, I don't give or -- Are you asking if 21· ·I could give it
electronically?· Because I've provided 22· ·that. 23· · · · Q.· ·No, no.· What I'm asking is -- And I'll ask 24· ·you a different way. 25· · · · · · ·These are two e-mails, correct?
·1· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·An e-mail means electronic mail? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Could you tell me any reason that you ·5· ·can think of as you sit
here today that this document ·6· ·could not have been sent to another party ·7· ·electronically? ·8· · · · A.· ·I don't know of any reason. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You can't think of
any? 10· · · · A.· ·I'm not aware of all the circumstances 11· ·regarding equipment.· But when I sent this, it could 12· ·have been forwarded to someone else. 13· · · · Q.· ·Oh, that's
right.· But you've now peaked my 14· ·interest when you say you're not familiar with 15· ·equipment.· What would equipment have to do with it? 16· · · · A.· ·Well, the server, the computer
system. 17· · · · Q.· ·Would not be able to forward an e-mail? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19· · · · Q.· ·Have you ever seen a computer system that 20· ·would not forward an e-mail?
21· · · · A.· ·I guess if you're going to ask me about an old 22· ·question before e-mail. 23· · · · Q.· ·Around the date of this? 24· · · · A.· ·No.· No.· No.· No.· No. 25· · · · Q.·
·Okay.· That's fine.· I thank you very much. ·1· · · · · · ·What is the process for what I'm going to call ·2· ·a full-blown -- We talked about three projects, you ·3· ·and I:· The
Spence property subdivision; 23 North Hidden ·4· ·Harbour Drive, and the MacDonald property. ·5· · · · · · ·How do we start? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Objection on the
·7· · · · basis that I don't believe this question is ·8· · · · reasonably calculated to lead to admissible ·9· · · · evidence in this particular case. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · ·
· Q.· ·You may answer. 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And I'm wondering if you can 13· · · · explain to us how it is reasonably calculated to 14· · · · lead to admissible evidence, Mr.
O'Boyle? 15· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I've already answered the 16· · · · question. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 18· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 19· · · · A.· ·The request is made of me from
the Town to 20· ·review. 21· · · · Q.· ·Let me -- I want to take this part slow.· And 22· ·you're a little faster than me.· Please, excuse me. 23· · · · · · ·Okay.· So I'm just going
to say here the start 24· ·of the process.· So you say the request is made of you 25· ·from the Town? ·1· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the Town being Mr. Randolph;
the ·3· ·Town being Mr. Thrasher; the Town being the mayor?· The ·4· ·Town being -·5· · · · A.· ·Mr. Thrasher. ·6· · · · Q.· ·So request to Mr. Minor from Mr. Thrasher. ·7· · · · ·
· ·Okay.· And how does that request come to you? ·8· · · · A.· ·Usually by phone call. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And I guess maybe I am a guy of habit, 10· ·although I'm sure some people take
exception to that. 11· · · · · · ·In an institution such as a government usually 12· ·things are done consistently.· When you say usually by 13· ·phone call, that sort of raises my
antenna. 14· · · · · · ·What would make a phone call -- In other 15· ·words, what would start the process with a phone call as 16· ·opposed to what would start the process with other
than 17· ·a phone call? 18· · · · A.· ·I'm not instigating that so I don't know what 19· ·would prompt that. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So tell me about the phone call. 21· · · · A.· ·Mr.
Thrasher would ask me -- We have this 22· ·application has come in; we'll send over the plans. 23· ·Could you take a look at it, and review it. 24· · · · Q.· ·So application and plans
sent to -- I'm going 25· ·to call you M.M.· It is easier to write down.· Is that a ·1· ·fair analysis -·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·-- fair statement? ·4· · · · · · ·So the process
thus far is the request to ·5· ·Mr. Minor from Mr. Thrasher usually by phone.· And then ·6· ·application and floor -- I'm sorry, and plans sent to ·7· ·Marty Minor by Mr. Thrasher;
fair enough? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And how are they sent? 10· · · · A.· ·Sometimes electronically; sometimes paper. 11· · · · Q.· ·And would that be because you requested
them 12· ·electronically or requested them in paper? 13· · · · A.· ·Not necessarily.· It would be what's available 14· ·or what's the easiest, you know, to bring about.· If 15· ·they
have an electronic version, it may be easier. 16· ·Otherwise maybe not everything is electronically 17· ·available so they send the paper version. 18· · · · Q.· ·But isn't everything
electronically available 19· ·when you get it? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't -- What do you mean? 21· · · · Q.· ·Well, from what I've seen -- And I don't know 22· ·that I've seen everything
that's why I asked the 23· ·question.· I have seen eight-and-a-half by eleven, which 24· ·certainly that machine will scan it and e-mail it.· I've 25· ·seen eight-and-a-half by fourteen,
which certainly that ·1· ·machine will scan it and e-mail it. ·2· · · · · · ·And I've seen eleven by seventeen.· And ·3· ·although I've never seen one of those pieces of paper ·4· ·being
copied, I believe that that machine will scan it ·5· ·and e-mail it. ·6· · · · · · ·And I have not seen, and I've looked at ·7· ·several files, but I've not seen twenty-four by ·8·
·thirty-six plans that were not available on eleven by ·9· ·seventeen. 10· · · · · · ·And then of, course, we all know you probably 11· ·have a plotter in your office. 12· · · · A.·
·We do have a plotter in our office, yes. 13· · · · · · ·But what is your question? 14· · · · Q.· ·My question is you said -- I think you said 15· ·whatever is more convenient, paper
- and I don't want to 16· ·put words in your mouth.· If I'm incorrect, please 17· ·correct me - paper or electronic, whatever is more 18· ·convenient.· And what I'm saying is -- Or
whatever is 19· ·available I think you said. 20· · · · · · ·Isn't everything that's being sent to you 21· ·available electronically? 22· · · · A.· ·If it was provided to the Town.·
Like the 23· ·twenty-four by thirty-six sometimes we receive those 24· ·directly from the architect. 25· · · · Q.· ·Right.· But not from the Town? ·1· · · · A.· ·Not from the Town.
·2· · · · Q.· ·Right.· I'm talking about solely from the ·3· ·Town. ·4· · · · A.· ·From the Town sometimes they will make that ·5· ·request to the engineer, applicant, or send the paper
·6· ·plans that they received as part of the application ·7· ·process. ·8· · · · Q.· ·But from the Town you said sometimes paper, ·9· ·sometimes electronically? 10· · · · A.· ·Correct.
11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What is being sent to you in paper 12· ·could be sent to you electronically? 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 14· · · · question. 15· ·
· · · · ·You can answer. 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You mean is it possible or -- I 17· · · · know both -- The documents reside in both forms, 18· · · · paper and electronic. 19·
·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 20· · · · Q.· ·I'm sorry.· I didn't catch that.· Both 21· ·documents -22· · · · A.· ·The documents exist both in paper and 23· ·electronics. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 25·
· · · A.· ·What again is your question?· I'm sorry. ·1· ·What -·2· · · · Q.· ·My question is this, if I were sending ·3· ·documents to you -·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· ·-- I wouldn't
even consider sending them in ·6· ·paper unless there was a reason that I had to send them ·7· ·in paper.· As an example, twenty-four by thirty-six ·8· ·paper I don't think that our
plotter could scan them. ·9· ·Maybe they can, and I don't know about it. 10· · · · · · ·But anything eleven by seventeen or smaller I 11· ·would scan it, and I would e-mail it to you
and have it 12· ·in ten minutes, rather than print it - which probably 13· ·takes longer than scanning it - fold it, put it in an 14· ·envelope, put it on a postage meter, put postage
on it, 15· ·bring it to the post office.· I can't imagine that I 16· ·would do that.· And that's what I was asking you.· Why 17· ·would you get it in paper? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know.
19· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 20· · · · A.· ·It's sent to me. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So sometimes you get it in paper; 22· ·sometimes not.· It's almost like a wheel of fortune. 23· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 24· · · · question. 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Either document works for the ·1· · · · review process. ·2· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·3· · · · Q.·
·Right.· But which one you get, there is no ·4· ·rationale or no reason why you would get it in paper ·5· ·versus electronic or electronic versus paper? ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't have
a preference.· I don't know, you ·7· ·know, what would be the reason sent one way or the ·8· ·other.· I don't send them. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Speed? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't -- I don't know.·
You'd have to ask 11· ·the people who send those things. 12· · · · Q.· ·I'd have to ask them whether electronically is 13· ·faster or slower than mail? 14· · · · A.· ·You would have
to -- You will ask them what 15· ·you want to ask them.· I'm sure you will. 16· · · · Q.· ·But I'm asking you. 17· · · · A.· ·You're asking me to -- Are you asking me to 18· ·speculate
why they would do something? 19· · · · Q.· ·No.· I think what I'm asking you is can you 20· ·agree with me sending it electronically is more 21· ·efficient, more cost efficient and
more expeditious than 22· ·sending it in mail? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, it is faster. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· That's fine. 25· · · · · · ·By the way, the Town of Gulf Stream Land ·1· ·Development
Regulations, you were very proud one day ·2· ·when I saw you here.· And you said -- I think Bob Cary ·3· ·was saying that he won, I don't know, a bunch of awards. ·4· ·And you had mentioned
that this book won an award.· Can ·5· ·you tell me what award it won? ·6· · · · A.· ·It won from the American Society of Landscape ·7· ·Architects.· I don't know the specific name of
the ·8· ·award, but that was the entity that did that. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And then, of course, this book we can 10· ·agree goes far, far, far beyond landscaping? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes.·
It incorporates all aspects for land 12· ·regulation. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You have received now the documents, 14· ·going through the sequence again.· There is a request 15· ·from
Mr. Thrasher to you.· The request was usually made 16· ·by phone.· He would send to you the application and 17· ·plans sometimes electronically, sometimes in paper. 18· · · · A.· ·Yes.
19· · · · Q.· ·Then what happens? 20· · · · A.· ·Then I would begin my review. 21· · · · Q.· ·And what would you review? 22· · · · A.· ·The review would be to look at -- review the
23· ·materials provided. 24· · · · Q.· ·Let me stop you there.· Is there a standard 25· ·for what materials are provided? ·1· · · · A.· ·What do you mean by standard? ·2· · · · Q.·
·I'm just trying to think of the best way I ·3· ·could articulate it.· As an example, in order for me to ·4· ·review a mortgage file, I want to review the mortgage, ·5· ·the note, the
assignment of leases and rents, the loan ·6· ·agreement, the security agreement, all of -- There is a ·7· ·standard.· We list the documents that are relevant and ·8· ·necessary for
the review.· Because at least in my ·9· ·business when you make a review, if you miss something, 10· ·it could be a very serious miss.· So you look at 11· ·everything essentially. 12·
· · · · · ·Do you look at everything? 13· · · · A.· ·I try to. 14· · · · Q.· ·Well, what is sent to you? 15· · · · A.· ·What is usually the development plans. 16· · · · Q.· ·Just the
development plans? 17· · · · A.· ·The application, things -- Depending on the 18· ·level of review depends on what materials are sent to 19· ·me. 20· · · · Q.· ·We started with those
three properties, and we 21· ·agreed that they were a full-blown level of review.· I 22· ·forgot the exact term, but essentially. 23· · · · · · ·So you would get the development plans?
24· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. 25· · · · Q.· ·You would get an application? ·1· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·And what else would you get? ·3· · · · A.· ·Usually letters of confirmation
of municipal ·4· ·services, drainage reports. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Let me just stop you for a second.· You say ·6· ·letters of municipal services.· Availability of the ·7· ·municipal services?
·8· · · · A.· ·Correct.· That's for the subdivisions. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to state 10· · · · the same objection that I've stated in the past in 11· ·
· · that I don't believe these questions that are being 12· · · · raised are reasonably calculated to lead to 13· · · · admissible evidence in this case. 14· · · · · · ·I believe that,
Mr. O'Boyle, you are on a 15· · · · fishing expedition here.· The documents that you 16· · · · requested in your request to produce were all 17· · · · communications published or written
by Mr. Thrasher 18· · · · and Mr. O'Boyle -19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Mr. Minor. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me. 21· · · · · · ·-- Mr. Minor relating to Agenda 1, which was
22· · · · 3211 North Ocean Boulevard, Gulf Stream, Florida. 23· · · · I feel that you are going way beyond the issues 24· · · · raised in this lawsuit. 25· · · · · · ·You have been
asking some questions recently ·1· · · · about how items are sent.· I think those are all ·2· · · · legitimate questions. ·3· · · · · · ·But in regard to the questions that you're ·4·
· · · asking now about what his review process is, I ·5· · · · don't believe that those are reasonably calculated ·6· · · · to lead to admissible evidence in this case unless ·7· ·
· · you can explain to me how they are. ·8· · · · · · ·And if your answer is the same as before and ·9· · · · you just refuse to answer except to say that it 10· · · · will become clear
as time goes by, I don't find 11· · · · that an acceptable answer to my objection. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, Mr. Randolph, I'm sorry 13· · · · that I can't appease you with
what you deem to be 14· · · · acceptable and not acceptable. 15· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer the question. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Let me just state that I
am 18· · · · going to continue to raise that objection as long 19· · · · as you continue on a fishing expedition and as long 20· · · · as you cannot explain how this line of questioning
21· · · · is reasonably calculated to lead to admissible 22· · · · evidence in this case. 23· · · · · · ·And if you continue on a fishing expedition, 24· · · · we will continue this
deposition to another date 25· · · · until we have the Court rule on it. ·1· · · · · · ·But go ahead. ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· What was the question again? ·3· · · · · · ·(A recess
was had from 10:28 until 10:39 a.m.) ·4· · · · · · ·(The question and answer were read by the ·5· ·reporter.) ·6· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 5 was marked for ·7· ·identification.)
·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I just handed to what is Exhibit 5. 10· ·Have you ever seen that before? 11· · · · A.· ·This is the e-mail I sent to Mr. Thrasher. 12·
· · · Q.· ·And is that the entire chain of e-mails? 13· · · · · · ·We went through, and I said sometimes there 14· ·are eight pages:· Bring your fishing rod; I'll bring the 15· ·bait
and so on and so forth? 16· · · · A.· ·No. 17· · · · Q.· ·No? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·There is more than what's there? 20· · · · A.· ·You showed that to me earlier during
this 21· ·deposition. 22· · · · Q.· ·I've never showed that to you earlier. 23· · · · A.· ·You showed the previous e-mail. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· What exhibit? 25· · · · · ·
·THE WITNESS:· Exhibit 4. ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· So Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5 are the ·3· ·same? ·4· · · · A.· ·They are different.· But this is the initial ·5· ·and
the response to the e-mail.· Exhibit 5 is the ·6· ·response. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, I use a lot of e-mail, and I ·8· ·assume that you do as well.· Would that be a correct ·9· ·statement?
10· · · · A.· ·That is correct. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· How could that be? 12· · · · A.· ·How could what be? 13· · · · Q.· ·How could these two be the same but different? 14· · · · A.·
·I don't know. 15· · · · Q.· ·Can you -- Based upon all of your experience 16· ·and technology, can you -17· · · · A.· ·Speculate? 18· · · · Q.· ·-- give me a sense of how you -19·
· · · A.· ·I have no idea. 20· · · · Q.· ·You have no idea? 21· · · · A.· ·I have no idea.· I was not -- I sent the 22· ·e-mail, and that was my -23· · · · Q.· ·But you sent the e-mail
in response to an 24· ·e-mail, did you not? 25· · · · A.· ·That is correct. ·1· · · · Q.· ·In response to what e-mail? ·2· · · · A.· ·To the March 27th e-mail. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And that's
the e-mail on the bottom of the ·4· ·page of Exhibit 4? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And on Exhibit 5, did the e-mail fairy ·7· ·take it off? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Object to the form of the ·9· · · · question. 10· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't believe in the e-mail 11· · · · fairy.· I'm sorry. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well,
if the e-mail fairy didn't take 14· ·it off, who did? 15· · · · A.· ·I have no idea. 16· · · · Q.· ·But you agree somebody took it off, don't you? 17· · · · A.· ·This -- As I said before,
this shows just the 18· ·response. 19· · · · Q.· ·Right.· But if it's on Four, it must be on 20· ·Five unless someone took it off; can we agree with that? 21· · · · A.· ·I guess. 22·
· · · Q.· ·Well, don't guess. 23· · · · A.· ·I mean it depends on whether you wanted to see 24· ·the response or the question in response. 25· · · · Q.· ·Well, it doesn't make any difference.·
The ·1· ·question I asked is unless somebody took it off.· If I ·2· ·only wanted to see this, they could certainly take that ·3· ·off? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.·
I believe ·5· · · · you are asking him to speculate now.· He's ·6· · · · indicated that he did not know how this happened. ·7· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
·9· · · · Q.· ·But in Exhibit 4 there was an e-mail from 10· ·Mr. Thrasher; is that correct? 11· · · · A.· ·Correct. 12· · · · Q.· ·And a response from you, Mr. Minor? 13· · · · A.·
·Correct. 14· · · · Q.· ·And on Exhibit 5 was the identical response 15· ·from you, Mr. Minor, as in Exhibit 4, correct? 16· · · · A.· ·Correct. 17· · · · Q.· ·And Exhibit 5 there was
nothing from 18· ·Mr. Thrasher.· But on Exhibit 4, in the very same 19· ·e-mail, where your responses are identical in Exhibit 4 20· ·and 5, Mr. Thrasher has an e-mail in Exhibit 4,
but it 21· ·is totally blank in Exhibit 5.· We can agree with that, 22· ·can't we? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Would you think that that was -- that 25· ·Mr. Thrasher
or someone in his office doctored ·1· ·Exhibit 5? ·2· · · · A.· ·I have no idea. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What would you define as doctored?· If ·4· ·I said this check was doctored or
that contract was ·5· ·doctored, what would come to your mind? ·6· · · · A.· ·If your example of the check, someone adding a ·7· ·couple zeros to a check is doctoring a check or changing
·8· ·who it was made out to. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Or eliminating a couple zeros would be 10· ·doctoring a check? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·Or changing the date from March 29th to
13· ·March 2nd would be doctoring a check by eliminating the 14· ·nine, correct? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Can you look at this, and when I say 17· ·look at this,
I'm talking about Exhibit 5, does it look 18· ·like it's been doctored? 19· · · · A.· ·It looks like just my response was provided. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does it look like it was doctored?
21· · · · A.· ·I answered that question. 22· · · · Q.· ·Well, I am asking you again, does it look like 23· ·it was doctored? 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I do object.·
He 25· · · · states he has answered the question to the best of ·1· · · · his ability, and I want that objection on the ·2· · · · record. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Would you read
the question ·4· · · · back, please? ·5· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) ·6· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It just shows the response and ·7· · · · not the question.·
It doesn't -- That's what ·8· · · · Exhibit 5 shows.· My wording has not been modified ·9· · · · or changed. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Would you read the 11· · · · question
back again, please? 12· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 13· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Are you asking me is it to be 14· · · · modified, has it been modified, is it
different?· I 15· · · · think "doctored" is a loaded question, loaded word. 16· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Well, we went through the definition of 18· ·doctored and you seemed
to be reasonably adroit in your 19· ·answer. 20· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· So, young lady, if you can read 21· · · · the question again. 22· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the
reporter.) 23· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It is different.· It does not 24· · · · contain Mr. Thrasher's e-mail.· Exhibit 5 only 25· · · · contains my response. ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2·
· · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, yes or no, does it look like it was ·3· ·doctored? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Objection.· I ·5· · · · believe you're badgering the witness.· The
witness ·6· · · · has answered the question to the best of his ·7· · · · ability.· I would ask that you move on. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 10· · · · A.· ·I've
answered the question, sir. 11· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 12· · · · A.· ·The question -- The response, my e-mail 13· ·response is on Exhibit 5. 14· · · · · · ·Mr. Thrasher's e-mail
that's on Exhibit 4 is 15· ·not on Exhibit 5. 16· · · · Q.· ·Does the lower half of Exhibit 5 look like it 17· ·has been doctored, yes or no? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know what -19· ·
· · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Same objection. 20· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm not -- What do you mean 21· · · · looks?· What -- what -- No, I don't know. 22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · · Q.·
·Well, we talked about a check dated 24· ·March 29th.· If someone were to erase the nine and you 25· ·can see it was fuzzy there and there may have been ·1· ·something -·2· · · · A.·
·Is this partial line is what you're referring ·3· ·to? ·4· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking you. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection.· He answered the ·6· · · · question.· I believe you're
at the point of ·7· · · · badgering the witness.· You're asking him to agree ·8· · · · to your term in regard to this exhibit.· He has ·9· · · · answered the question. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
11· · · · Q.· ·Do you have another term besides doctored you 12· ·would like to use, Mr. Minor? 13· · · · A.· ·I have answered the question regarding 14· ·Exhibit 5 shows my response
in an e-mail.· Exhibit 4 15· ·shows the inquiry and my response. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· That's not the question I asked you. 17· ·Would you like for the court reporter to read it back?
18· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm sure you can ask me again. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I will ask you again then. 20· · · · · · ·But before I do, if you'd like to use a term 21· ·other than doctored
which would help you to answer the 22· ·question instead of avoid the question -23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 24· · · · question.· He's not avoided the question.
25 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·-- I'm agreeable to that. ·3· · · · · · ·But my question is does this appear to you to ·4· ·have been doctored? ·5· · · · A.· ·This appears --
You're also speculating.· This ·6· ·shows my response to the e-mail question.· It does not ·7· ·show Mr. Thrasher's e-mail.· It only shows my response. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does Exhibit
5 appear to have been ·9· ·altered? 10· · · · A.· ·As being different from Exhibit 4?· I have 11· ·told you several times now how Four and Five are 12· ·different.· One, Exhibit 5 contains
the response; 13· ·Exhibit 4 the inquiry and the response.· That's the 14· ·difference. 15· · · · · · ·My wording in the e-mail is the same on 16· ·Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5. 17· · ·
· Q.· ·And if I would have asked you that, that would 18· ·be a wonderful answer.· But that's not the question I 19· ·asked you. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Let me try
to 21· · · · expedite this a bit -22· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Sure. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- by giving you a stipulation. 24· · · · The Town will stipulate to the fact that
it deleted 25· · · · from Exhibit 5 the information that appeared on the ·1· ·bottom of Exhibit 4.· And the reason it was done is ·2· ·because the Town did not feel that the e-mail
at ·3· ·the bottom of Exhibit 4 was responsive to the ·4· ·public records request. ·5· · · · That's a stipulation.· And that is a full ·6· ·explanation of what happened in regard to
those two ·7· ·exhibits.· It is clear that there is a bar at the ·8· ·bottom, just as you've stated in your complaint, ·9· ·that shows there was something at the bottom that 10· ·had
been deleted.· The Town admits that it did 11· ·delete that.· It deleted it because it did not feel 12· ·it was responsive to your public records request. 13· · · · And if you continue
on this question and 14· ·continue to badger this witness in regard to your 15· ·words "doctored", now you've asked "altered". 16· · · · Yes, we'll stipulate it has been altered by
17· ·virtue of the e-mail at the bottom of Exhibit 4 18· ·having been deleted by the Town. 19· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Mr. Randolph, you're not here to 20· ·testify.· If you want to stipulate
that it's been 21· ·altered and leave it at that, that's fine.· If you 22· ·want to come up with excuses and reasons and so 23· ·forth for the Town, we should put you under oath 24·
·and you can testify. 25· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· The stipulation is ·1· · · · as I stated it on the record. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's unacceptable. ·3· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's unacceptable to you? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes.· Yes. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· We'll see -- You know, he's ·6· · · · answered the question.· If you
feel that you want ·7· · · · to take that question up with the Court, let's mark ·8· · · · this spot on the deposition, and Mr. O'Boyle can ·9· · · · certainly do that. 10· · · · ·
· ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Are you instructing him -11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not instructing the witness 12· · · · not to answer.· But the witness has said several 13· · · · times that
he has answered your question. 14· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15· · · · Q.· ·Back to Exhibit 5.· You see at the very bottom 16· ·underneath the word studios there is a line.· Do you see 17· ·that?
18· · · · A.· ·Yes, I do. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And if we look at Exhibit 4, we see 20· ·under the word studios there is a line, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·Correct. 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
And if we look at Exhibit 4, the 23· ·spacing between the word studios, the bottom word, and 24· ·the line is greater than in Exhibit 5 between the word 25· ·studios and the line; can
we agree with that? ·1· · · · A.· ·Yes.· But I think you're talking two different ·2· ·lines. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Well, show me how I'm talking about two ·4· ·different lines. ·5· · · ·
A.· ·This is a faint line. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And say what exhibit you're ·7· · · · pointing to. ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you.· On Exhibit 5 there ·9· · · · is
a faint, you know, intermittent line.· On 10· · · · Exhibit 4 there is a solid line.· But there is a 11· · · · difference. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Right.· And the solid
line on Exhibit 4 -- Let 14· ·me say it differently. 15· · · · · · ·The solid line -- Or the line on Exhibit 5 16· ·stops at the word "H" in graphics.· And the solid line 17· ·in Exhibit
4 goes far beyond the word graphics; is that 18· ·correct? 19· · · · A.· ·Correct. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So that tells you something is 21· ·different, or did you use two different
types of 22· ·stationery? 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· · · · Q.· ·The same? 25· · · · A.· ·It's the same.· Yes.· It's the response.· This ·1· ·line on Exhibit 4 differentiates between the
two e-mails ·2· ·being sent. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And this one had an e-mail being sent ·4· ·that is no longer there, correct? ·5· · · · A.· ·That is my understanding, yes. ·6· · ·
· Q.· ·Okay.· And that line is gone, correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Can you think of any way that that line ·9· ·left the paper? 10· · · · A.· ·I would
be speculating. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If we took a piece of paper, and I'm 12· ·putting on Exhibit 5 on the thin line underneath studios 13· ·that goes to the "H" in graphics, if we
put a piece of 14· ·paper there to hide the rest of the e-mail and then 15· ·copied it, might it show up something like Exhibit 5 16· ·with a thin line instead of a thick line, with
a short 17· ·line instead of a long line, with a crooked line instead 18· ·of the straight line, with a greater distance between 19· ·studios in the line? 20· · · · A.· ·Possibly. 21·
· · · Q.· ·Just possibly? 22· · · · A.· ·You could also cut it.· You could -23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I agree with you, we can cut it.· And I 24· ·think they all fit within the word altered.·
And I thank 25· ·you very much for that. ·1· · · · · · ·Back to where we were.· The process there ·2· ·would be a request to you from Mr. Thrasher usually by ·3· ·phone.· He would send
you the application and the plans ·4· ·sometimes electronically, sometimes in paper.· You would ·5· ·begin the review.· You would review the materials ·6· ·provided, which would include
development plans, the ·7· ·application, letters of available municipal services. ·8· · · · · · ·Are the letters of available municipal ·9· ·services, are they a requirement? 10· ·
· · A.· ·They're a requirement to address concurrency 11· ·standards. 12· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you will have to educate me, 13· ·because I don't know what that means. 14· · · · A.·
·Before additional units can be developed, the 15· ·applicant has to provide evidence that there is 16· ·sufficient municipal services:· Water, sewer, traffic, 17· ·garbage, generally
all municipal services.· That there 18· ·is sufficient capacity to serve these new homes. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So that is a condition precedent? 20· · · · A.· ·You have to educate
me on that. 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to form.· To what? 22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · · Q.· ·Meaning those letters of available municipal 24· ·services, they're a must have?
25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· For what?· Excuse me.· Object ·1· · · · to the form of the question. ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· For development applications ·3· · · · that provide additional
dwelling units. ·4· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So now we are reviewing the materials ·6· ·provided, which are the development plans, the ·7· ·applications and the letters.
·8· · · · · · ·What else are you reviewing? ·9· · · · A.· ·I'm also reviewing the Town's code of 10· ·ordinances, the zoning map, comprehensive plan and 11· ·future land use map. 12·
· · · Q.· ·Okay.· You're going a little too fast for me. 13· ·Town code. 14· · · · A.· ·Okay. 15· · · · Q.· ·Can you -16· · · · A.· ·Town code.· The zoning map.· The comprehensive 17·
·plan, and the future land use map. 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I'm assuming, correct me if I'm 19· ·wrong, that the town code, the zoning map, the 20· ·comprehensive plan and the future
land use plan - if I 21· ·said them right, if I got them wrong, please excuse me 22· ·but that they are documents that would not be sent to 23· ·you because you have them in your office;
is that 24· ·correct? 25· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·1· · · · Q.· ·All right.· Okay.· So now that would complete ·2· ·your review, those items, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·Unless there
was insufficient information ·4· ·provided by the applicant to make the -- to complete my ·5· ·review, and then I would request that additional ·6· ·information. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
So I'm going to write additional ·8· ·information where initial submission deficient; fair ·9· ·enough? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So now we have gone through this 12·
·extensive review.· Then what happens? 13· · · · A.· ·Then I would write a report to Mr. Thrasher 14· ·outlining the request and any issues that may have 15· ·arisen from the request.
16· · · · Q.· ·Just to digress for a moment.· We'll get back 17· ·to that.· I'll continue to look while we are talking. 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Randolph is your attorney? 19· · · · · · ·MR.
RANDOLPH:· No.· I'm the Town's attorney. 20· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· He's the Town's attorney. 21· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · · Q.· ·He's not representing you here today? 23· · · · A.·
·No.· He's representing the Town. 24· · · · Q.· ·Have you had any discussions with 25· ·Mr. Randolph? ·1· · · · A.· ·We had, yes, a discussion regarding the ·2· ·format.· This is my
first deposition.· He instructed me ·3· ·on what to expect. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh.· And tell me what he expected you to ·5· ·expect? ·6· · · · A.· ·To answer the questions.· To tell
the truth. ·7· ·To respond to only the questions asked. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh. ·9· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 6 & 7 were marked 10· ·for identification.) 11· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· Could we identify what's been 12· · · · marked? 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes.· This is Plaintiff's 14· · · · Exhibit 7. 15· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· This being
an e-mail from John 16· · · · Randolph to Martin O'Boyle dated May 15th at 3:45 17· · · · p.m. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, have you ever seen Exhibit 7? 20· · · ·
A.· ·I'm not sure I had.· I'm not sure I had. 21· · · · Q.· ·Could you read into the record just the first 22· ·e-mail? 23· · · · A.· ·This is from John C. Randolph to Marty 24· ·O'Boyle.·
Subject:· O'Boyle versus Town of Gulf Stream 25· ·and the case number. ·1· · · · · · ·"I do not represent Martin Minor and cannot ·2· ·except service for him.· As far as I know he is
·3· ·available on June 5th at 9:00 a.m. for deposition at ·4· ·Town hall.· I will work on getting dates for Rita and ·5· ·Bill.· I can accept service for both of them once we ·6· ·establish
a date." ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to Mr. Randolph before that ·8· ·e-mail? ·9· · · · A.· ·He called to tell me that he could not 10· ·represent me because he was representing the
Town. 11· · · · Q.· ·There must have been a miracle since then, 12· ·huh? 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· That's 14· · · · obviously not a question. 15· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
16· · · · Q.· ·What happened since then?· He couldn't 17· ·represent you on May 15th, and on June 4th what 18· ·revelation occurred that he could represent you? 19· · · · A.· ·He's
representing the Town now.· What -20· · · · Q.· ·Are you an officer of the Town? 21· · · · A.· ·I am a consultant to the Town. 22· · · · Q.· ·So you don't work for the Town in any respect?
23· · · · A.· ·I am a contract employee I guess you could 24· ·call it. 25· · · · Q.· ·Well, I don't think you'd want to call it a ·1· ·contract employee. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Object to the form of the ·3· · · · question. ·4· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I am a consultant of the Town. ·5· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·6· · · · Q.· ·So would it be fair to say in your opinion
·7· ·that anyone who consults with the Town gets free legal ·8· ·advice and free legal representation? ·9· · · · A.· ·No.· I believe regarding -- No. 10· · · · Q.· ·Well, what makes
you different? 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· There is 12· · · · nothing in the record that says anything different. 13· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 14· · · · Q.· ·You may
answer? 15· · · · A.· ·What makes me different?· No, nothing. 16· · · · Q.· ·So if the others are not entitled to free 17· ·legal advice or free legal representation and there is 18·
·nothing different between you and them, what makes you 19· ·entitled to free legal advice and free legal 20· ·representation? 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the
22· · · · question.· It's based on testimony that's not in 23· · · · evidence.· He's advised you that I do not represent 24· · · · him.· Why don't you explain to him the nature of 25·
· · · your question? ·1· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I think he understands my ·2· · · · question. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, he's already told you ·4· · · · he's not represented
by me, and he's not getting ·5· · · · free legal advice by me. ·6· · · · · · ·I'm continuing to object to the form of the ·7· · · · question. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Are
you paying for Mr. Randolph? 10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· · · · Q.· ·Is your company paying for Mr. Randolph? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·If you don't pay for services, doesn't that
14· ·mean they're free? 15· · · · A.· ·If -- Yes.· Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·So you're getting free legal representation 17· ·here today? 18· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm not being represented by
19· ·Mr. Randolph. 20· · · · Q.· ·You're not? 21· · · · A.· ·No.· He is representing the Town. 22· · · · Q.· ·Let me show you Exhibit 6 and ask you to read 23· ·it into the record.
24· · · · A.· ·"Dear Mr. O'Boyle, I believe I advised --" 25· · · · · · ·This is from Mr. Randolph to Marty O'Boyle: ·1· ·Dear Mr. O'Boyle, I believe I advised you previously ·2· ·that
I do not represent Mr. Marty Minor individually.· I ·3· ·have since spoken to Mr. Minor and he has advised me ·4· ·that he does not plan to have his own attorney attending ·5· ·the
deposition.· Therefore, I will be representing ·6· ·Mr. Minor at the deposition in his position as a ·7· ·consultant to the Town. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So back to my question.· Do the
·9· ·consultants of the Town to your knowledge, are they 10· ·entitled to free legal advice and free legal 11· ·representation? 12· · · · A.· ·I do not know the policy of the Town.
13· · · · Q.· ·Does your firm have a contract with the Town? 14· · · · A.· ·We have a contract with the Town. 15· · · · Q.· ·Does the contract to your knowledge provide 16· ·for free
legal advice or free legal representation for 17· ·your company or any of its employees? 18· · · · A.· ·Not that I am aware of. 19· · · · Q.· ·Then why are you getting free legal advice
and 20· ·free legal consultation here today? 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to state 22· · · · my previous objection in regard to how this is 23· · · · calculated
to lead to admissible evidence in this 24· · · · case. 25 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. ·3· · · · A.· ·Mr. O'Boyle, I've come to this deposition ·4· ·willing to
answer questions.· I don't know how to answer ·5· ·your question.· I'm sorry. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Well, can you read it ·7· · · · back?· Maybe I can think of a different
way to ·8· · · · phrase it. ·9· · · · · · ·Or maybe if perhaps you listen a little 10· · · · closer, you can maybe -- we can get through it. 11· · · · · · ·(The question was read by
the reporter.) 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm going to state my objection 13· · · · again that your question is not based upon evidence 14· · · · in the record.· He has not stated
that he is 15· · · · getting free legal advice in regard to this 16· · · · deposition today. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 18· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 19· · · · A.· ·I represent the Town
on those issues that I've 20· ·asked to be looked into.· For this issue, Mr. Randolph 21· ·is here.· I don't know the policy.· I don't know why 22· ·services are provided.· I'm not
a legal person.· I'm in 23· ·the planning business. 24· · · · Q.· ·But you can agree with me on May 15th, on or 25· ·before that date, he spoke to you and he agreed that he ·1· ·could
not represent you?· Exhibit 7. ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you also agree with me that on ·4· ·June 4th there was some revelation that occurred, where ·5· ·Mr. Randolph
did a 180-degree turn? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the ·7· · · · question. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Can we agree to that? 10· · · · A.· ·Well, you
have the two exhibits in that he 11· ·will be representing myself in his position, you know, 12· ·as a consultant to the Town. 13· · · · Q.· ·What's the difference between a position
of a 14· ·consultant of the Town, and Marty Minor the good looking 15· ·individual that you are? 16· · · · A.· ·One is a job, and one is my person. 17· · · · Q.· ·What is the difference?·
Isn't your knowledge 18· ·identical? 19· · · · A.· ·Yeah.· A consultant is part of my being, part 20· ·of my job. 21· · · · Q.· ·Right.· So the answer whether Mr. Randolph was 22· ·representing
you or not would be identically the same; 23· ·can we agree to that? 24· · · · A.· ·The question -- Say that again? 25· · · · Q.· ·The answers to the questions if Mr. Randolph ·1· ·were
not representing you -·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·-- would be identically the same? ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· ·-- whether -- Okay. ·6· · · · A.· ·Whether it was just
you and I and the court ·7· ·reporter. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So we can agree to that? ·9· · · · A.· ·We can agree to that. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And to the best of your knowledge, the
11· ·consultation agreement that your company has with the 12· ·Town of Gulf Stream does not permit or does not -13· ·excuse me, does not provide for legal fees to be paid 14· ·for
the company or for its employees in connection with 15· ·Gulf Stream activities? 16· · · · A.· ·Yeah, not to my knowledge. 17· · · · Q.· ·Not to your knowledge.· Okay.· That's fair
18· ·enough. 19· · · · · · ·One question that I'm just curious about. 20· ·Conflicts of interest come up more often than we wish 21· ·for them to come up. 22· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. 23·
· · · Q.· ·If a conflict of interest currently exists or 24· ·you learn to be currently existing or exists in the near 25· ·future, how would that be if Mr. Randolph represents ·1·
·both of you? ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to object ·3· · · · to the question on the basis that I do not believe ·4· · · · it is reasonably calculated to lead
to admissible ·5· · · · evidence in this case.· And I would like to ask you ·6· · · · to give an explanation as to how it leads to ·7· · · · admissible evidence in this case, Mr. Minor.
·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· O'Boyle. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Mr. O'Boyle. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Right.· I heard you. 11· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· · · · Q.· ·You
may answer the question. 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You heard me, but you're 14· · · · ignoring me.· And you're continuing to ignore me by 15· · · · not answering those questions.
16· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, that's what you say. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's what I say, and I'm 18· · · · entitled to an answer to all of these questions 19· · · ·
other than that it will appear clear at a later 20· · · · time. 21· · · · · · ·If you were in front of a Court, as I believe 22· · · · this is going to end up, because if this continues
23· · · · I'm going to ask for a protective order, if this 24· · · · kind of thing continues, you're going to have to 25· · · · explain to a Court how this is reasonably ·1· · · · calculated
to lead to admissible evidence in this ·2· · · · case. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· If you'd like, we can get the ·4· · · · judge on the phone now. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No,
we can't.· The judge will ·6· · · · not get on the phone with us in the middle of a ·7· · · · deposition. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You may answer. 10· · · · A.· ·Once
again -- What was the question? 11· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Once again, it is speculation. 13· · · · I can't speak for Mr. Randolph.·
I can only speak 14· · · · for myself. 15· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · · Q.· ·Would you -- And I understand you can only 17· ·speak for yourself, and I appreciate that. 18· · · · · · ·If
Mr. Randolph were representing the Town, 19· ·would you want him to represent you too? 20· · · · A.· ·In what, this matter or any matter? 21· · · · Q.· ·In matter of conflict. 22· ·
· · A.· ·Or which -23· · · · Q.· ·A matter of conflict. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm going to continue my 25· · · · objection previously stated. ·1· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah.·
I'm not sure what ·2· · · · conflict are you talking about. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Neither am I.· A conflict in the future. ·5· ·Conflicts happen all the time; you'd agree
with that. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Let me repeat two of the things ·7· · · · that Mr. O'Boyle said at the beginning of this ·8· · · · deposition.· He asked you not to speculate
and to ·9· · · · state you did not know if you do not know.· Just a 10· · · · reminder to you. 11· · · · · · ·I believe you are being badgered.· And I'd 12· · · · like you to just if
you feel you don't know the 13· · · · answer to the question, say you don't know.· If you 14· · · · feel you're having to speculate, say I can't 15· · · · speculate. 16· · · · · · ·And
I am just stating that as attorney for the 17· · · · Town, not as your lawyer. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·When you arrived, Mr. Minor, you provided me a 20· ·coversheet with
the words 3211 North Ocean Boulevard 21· ·Subpoena Documents.· Can you just go through these and 22· ·make sure that that's what you submitted? 23· · · · A.· ·Unless -- Yes.· Unless
a document has been 24· ·removed during this deposition, this is the packet I 25· ·gave you, and these are the documents I have in my file ·1· ·regarding this piece of property. ·2·
· · · Q.· ·But you can't identify a document that's been ·3· ·removed, can you? ·4· · · · A.· ·No. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· I'm going to ask the ·6· · · · court reporter
if she doesn't mind to mark them ·7· · · · all. ·8· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 8-A through 8-J ·9· ·were marked for identification.) 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.·
·Mr. Minor, how did you get here today? 12· · · · A.· ·Drove my car. 13· · · · Q.· ·It's a good way to get here. 14· · · · A.· ·Almost the only way. 15· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Randolph
start representing you? 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 17· · · · question.· It's based on evidence that's not in 18· · · · testimony.· He has stated that I
do not represent 19· · · · him.· I have stated I do not represent him. 20· · · · · · ·Mr. O'Boyle, I wrote you that letter yesterday 21· · · · to advise you that he did not have his
own 22· · · · representation because he told me his lawyer was 23· · · · not coming.· So I wanted to advise you that he was 24· · · · not -- although I don't represent him individually,
25· · · · that he's not going to have a lawyer present. ·1· · · · · · ·And I'm here representing the Town and I did ·2· · · · state him as a consultant of the Town. ·3· · · · · · ·I
have stated to you today that I do not ·4· · · · represent him in any fashion. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Are you saying you don't ·6· · · · represent him as a consultant to the Town?
·7· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I am stating that I don't ·8· · · · represent him in any way in regard to this ·9· · · · deposition.· I represent the Town only. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
So that's contrary to your -11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's contrary to the last 12· · · · sentence in my letter that I gave to you. 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Well, I
guess we have to 14· · · · look at multiple choice to try to get the right 15· · · · answer. 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You can do whatever you want, 17· · · · Mr. O'Boyle. 18· ·
· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Thank you. 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yeah. 20· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Mr. Randolph doesn't represent you? 22· · · · A.· ·No. 23· · · · Q.·
·Has he consulted with you? 24· · · · A.· ·What do you mean consulted? 25· · · · Q.· ·You consult with Mr. Thrasher all the time, ·1· ·same thing. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You
already asked -·3· · · · Consulted -- Excuse me.· Objection. ·4· · · · · · ·You mean consulted prior to this deposition in ·5· · · · regard to the deposition? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
I mean consulted prior to this ·7· · · · deposition, period. ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· On what topic?· We've talked ·9· · · · about the development issues. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11·
· · · Q.· ·Except in the scheme of the official business 12· ·of the Town of Gulf Stream during the hearings and so 13· ·forth, yeah.· In connection with this -- Let's say in 14· ·connection
with this litigation or in connection with 15· ·this lawsuit. 16· · · · A.· ·Like I said previously, to inform me about 17· ·this process and what to expect. 18· · · · Q.· ·And to tell
you to tell the truth? 19· · · · A.· ·Tell the truth.· Don't speculate. 20· · · · Q.· ·Don't speculate. 21· · · · A.· ·Answer what you know. 22· · · · Q.· ·And would you categorize
those items as 23· ·advice? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· And because Mr. Randolph is not ·1· ·representing you, I assume that neither you nor your ·2· ·firm are paying
he or his firm; would that be correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·That is correct. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you.· We have these documents. ·5· ·Exhibit 8-A is a coversheet that you provided
me along ·6· ·with the documents which the court reporter has marked ·7· ·8-B through 8-H. ·8· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Paragraph 8-B -- Or I'm sorry, Document 10· ·8-B
in your opinion is that responsive to a request for 11· ·any reports or writings authored by Martin Minor or 12· ·William Thrasher in regard to Application Number 1 on 13· ·the agenda
of the Town Commission Meeting dated 14· ·April 12, 2013 for the premises known as 3211 North 15· ·Ocean Boulevard, Gulf Stream, Florida? 16· · · · A.· ·This is -- this is provided
in response to 17· ·your subpoena. 18· · · · Q.· ·I understand that, but that's not my question. 19· · · · A.· ·Okay. 20· · · · Q.· ·Excuse me one second.· Can you just leave that 21·
·stuff out for a moment? 22· · · · A.· ·Why? 23· · · · Q.· ·Because I want you to. 24· · · · A.· ·Why? 25· · · · Q.· ·Because I want you to. ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He was looking
for something. ·2· · · · He's not referring to that in regard to his ·3· · · · deposition. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I understand. ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I was looking for
something. ·6· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Anyway, do you recall my question? ·8· · · · A.· ·That is -- No.· Please? ·9· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 10·
· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· This is a document that 11· · · · was -12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Yes is sufficient.· You can move on if you'd 14· ·like. 15· · · · A.· ·Well,
I would like to complete my answer. 16· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead. 17· · · · A.· ·There is a document Bill Thrasher wrote to me 18· ·asking me to review an e-mail from Benjamin Sheer 19·
·(phonetic) -- Schreier I believe. 20· · · · Q.· ·And again, just to be clear, that this is a 21· ·writing authored by either you or Mr. Thrasher in regard 22· ·to the premises known
as 3211 North Ocean Boulevard, 23· ·Gulf Stream, Florida? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you.· I'm going to show you ·1· ·document 8-C, and I'm going to ask you the
identical ·2· ·question if you can remember it. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· This is some of my writings regarding ·4· ·this issue. ·5· · · · Q.· ·So would that be a yes? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes.
·7· · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· I'm going to now give you 8-D and ·8· ·I'm going to ask you the same question. ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. 10· · · · Q.· ·Yes? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·I'm
going to now give you 8-E and ask you the 13· ·same question. 14· · · · A.· ·Yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·I'm going to now give you 8-F and ask you the 16· ·same question. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes.
18· · · · Q.· ·I'm going to now give you 8-G and ask you the 19· ·same question. 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to give you 8-H and ask you the 22· ·same question.
23· · · · A.· ·Actually, this is an e-mail from Benjamin 24· ·Schreier.· It was just in my file. 25· · · · Q.· ·Look at the next one down. ·1· · · · A.· ·The next one down is an e-mail
from Bill ·2· ·Thrasher.· I don't know if that's been covered before. ·3· · · · Q.· ·This says:· Provide a copy of all writings ·4· ·authorized by Martin Minor or William Thrasher.
·5· · · · A.· ·Then it's a copy of the earlier e-mail in 8-G. ·6· · · · Q.· ·But, nonetheless, it's still the answer is ·7· ·yes? ·8· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Next I have
-10· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 8-K and 8-L were 11· ·marked for identification.) 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm now going to give you what has 14·
·been marked as 8-I and ask you the same question.· If 15· ·you'd like me to read it again I will. 16· · · · A.· ·No.· Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to give you a document entitled
18· ·8-J same thing. 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·I am now going to give you a document entitled 21· ·8-K and ask you if the answer there is yes? 22· · · · A.· ·8-K? 23· · · ·
Q.· ·Yes. 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·And I'm now going to give you a document that ·1· ·has been marked 8-L, and I am not sure if it is part of ·2· ·the other ones. ·3· · ·
· A.· ·This was an attachment to Exhibit 8-J. ·4· · · · Q.· ·8-L was 8-J? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· It was 8-I. ·6· · · · Q.· ·So Exhibit 8-L was an attachment to -·7· · · · A.· ·Actually,
it probably wasn't even attached. ·8· ·That was an internal document to confirm the area of ·9· ·windows.· It was a request that was made to me to 10· ·confirm the area of windows on
that elevation. 11· · · · Q.· ·Rather than going back through all the 12· ·documents, if there is a reference to an elevation and 13· ·windows, can we assume that this is part of it?
14· · · · A.· ·That's it, correct. 15· · · · Q.· ·Thank you. 16· · · · · · ·Now, I want to go back if we could to the 17· ·process.· And in the process was Mr. Thrasher would make 18·
·a request to Mr. Minor, usually by phone.· He would send 19· ·an application and plans to Mr. Minor sometimes 20· ·electronically, and sometimes in paper.· And Mr. Minor 21· ·would
begin his review. 22· · · · · · ·So let me just stop there for the moment and 23· ·ask where is the application and where are the plans? 24· · · · A.· ·For? 25· · · · Q.· ·This property.
·1· · · · A.· ·For this property? ·2· · · · Q.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · A.· ·I was not asked to do a full review of this ·4· ·property. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay. ·6· · · · A.· ·So I received this
elevation when the question ·7· ·was -- arise that Mr. Thrasher asked me to take a look ·8· ·at this evaluation to confirm the window covering size. ·9· ·And I believe Mr. Schreier
sent me a CAD drawing of that 10· ·evaluation so we could do it on our computers. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you never saw the application here? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·And
it was never sent to you? 14· · · · A.· ·No.· There were specific issues outlined in 15· ·these regarding -- but not the full application. 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever prepare a report?
17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 9 was marked for 19· ·identification.) 20· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm going to show you what has been
22· ·marked Plaintiff's Exhibit 9 and ask you if you have 23· ·ever seen that. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· May I see it? 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes. ·1· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:·
No.· The first time I'm seeing ·2· · · · it. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·First time you've seen it? ·5· · · · A.· ·First time. ·6· · · · Q.· ·What was your role in connection
with this ·7· ·project?· And I ask in this context, I seem to remember ·8· ·you speaking on this project. ·9· · · · A.· ·Probably, yes. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If you had no documents
and saw 11· ·nothing, how did you do that? 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection on the basis that 13· · · · this is not reasonably calculated to lead to 14· · · · admissible evidence
in this public records case. 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't recall what the question 16· · · · was.· I'm sure I was responding to a question. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 18· · · · Q.·
·You're saying my question or the question from 19· ·the -20· · · · A.· ·From the commission. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If the minutes reflected a report, is 22· ·that possible? 23· · ·
· A.· ·I don't know.· I haven't -- I came here 24· ·prepared to talk about your complaint. 25· · · · Q.· ·That would be part of my complaint.· My ·1· ·complaint is where are the documents.·
And a report is ·2· ·certainly one of the documents. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I did not prepare a report. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Besides the e-mails that you have referred -·5· ·that you were kind
enough to bring here, and I thank ·6· ·you, was there any other documents besides the e-mail ·7· ·that you and I spent so much time with that was as I ·8· ·would say altered? ·9· ·
· · A.· ·Is there anything else other than the e-mails 10· ·I provided? 11· · · · Q.· ·Yeah.· In other words, is this the whole kit 12· ·and caboodle? 13· · · · A.· ·That is the whole
kit and caboodle.· That is 14· ·everything in my file. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Just bear with me.· If I can, I'm going 16· ·to have to take just a quick... 17· · · · · · ·How did you
know the color of the roof? 18· · · · A.· ·That was some telephone conversations I had 19· ·with Mr. Thrasher and with Mr. Schreier. 20· · · · Q.· ·Here is the e-mail which says:· We
can confirm 21· ·that the rear elevation conforms with the Town's 22· ·regulations regarding the amount of windows, which make 23· ·up approximately 48 percent of the wall elevation.
24· · · · · · ·And then below that from Benjamin Schreier is 25· ·he says:· Per request, attached is the east elevation of ·1· ·3211.· If additional files are needed.... ·2· · · · ·
· ·Would that be -·3· · · · A.· ·That is part of what he sent.· And then we -·4· ·we -- Yeah.· Let me see. ·5· · · · · · ·No, that's right.· This is what was sent.· And ·6· ·we confirmed
it on the computer through our programs. ·7· · · · Q.· ·So when we look at this it says, "Attached is ·8· ·the East Elevation of 3211 North Ocean Boulevard in ·9· ·CAD." 10· · · · ·
· ·Now, do we have CAD drawings on here? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't think so.· I don't know if I still 12· ·have those CAD drawings. 13· · · · Q.· ·Well, it's only been a couple months
ago, 14· ·right? 15· · · · A.· ·We get a lot of plans in our office. 16· · · · Q.· ·I appreciate that.· But usually you don't get 17· ·rid of them until the project is done. 18· · ·
· · · ·But, anyway, you say here that:· Attached is 19· ·the east elevation in CAD. 20· · · · · · ·And then we go on and it says from Thrasher, 21· ·"Ben, it is a variance application
on the roof color. 22· ·And we need CAD drawings.· See Marty's e-mail concerning 23· ·CAD drawings." 24· · · · · · ·And then underneath that it says, "Yes, it 25· ·would require a variance.·
For the rear elevation," ·1· ·which is different than the east elevation, "it ·2· ·certainly looks close.· We would need to have a CAD ·3· ·drawing of the elevation to truly confirm.·
It looks ·4· ·like they are including area above the 'bottom of the ·5· ·eave' limit for the wall area calculations." ·6· · · · · · ·Then it says, "Would the application be a ·7· ·variance?·
It seems that the code allows the ARPB and ·8· ·Commission to review 'grey types'," this is from ·9· ·Mr. Thrasher to you, Mr. Minor, "but not terra cotta. 10· ·If you agree, it seems
it would be a variance 11· ·application as something prohibited.· Also, I want you 12· ·to calculate window pane coverage on the rear.· To our 13· ·eye, it seems over the limit." 14·
· · · · · ·From Minor to Thrasher:· Sorry for the delay 15· ·in responding....· Section 70-238 allows for Benjamin to 16· ·request for terra cotta colored slate-like tile.· The 17·
·Town Commission will have to consider the colored tile 18· ·and so forth.· I think Ben would need to make a stronger 19· ·case that Georgian homes with a terra cotta roof is 20· ·appropriate....·
Just my thoughts. 21· · · · · · ·And then Bill Thrasher again, "Please evaluate 22· ·and give me your ideas." 23· · · · · · ·And then this is the architect again, and he 24· ·talks
about the architecture and so forth. 25· · · · · · ·So the architect is talking about the ·1· ·architecture.· And what I don't understand is how is he ·2· ·talking about the architecture
when you can't see the ·3· ·architecture? ·4· · · · A.· ·We had a phone -- I had several phone ·5· ·discussions with Mr. Schreier regarding the -- also he ·6· ·sent some pictures regarding
a terra cotta tile. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are the pictures on this disk? ·8· · · · A.· ·The pictures are in the e-mails, which are on ·9· ·that disk. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Good.· Okay. 11·
· · · A.· ·So that's -- We were just talking about the 12· ·colors. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· But we're also talking about -- Here in 14· ·this long e-mail, we're talking about the structure,
the 15· ·Spanish Mediterranean, the roof terra cotta, the windows 16· ·in the east elevation, the grey through-and-through tile 17· ·or slate. 18· · · · · · ·I'm not reading all of
this.· Just sort of 19· ·glancing through it. 20· · · · · · ·But you don't recall seeing -- And I just say 21· ·this being a developer myself, I don't know how you 22· ·could evaluate
a plan without seeing a plan.· And today 23· ·they're so easily transmitted.· I mean years ago you 24· ·would have to Federal Express it, you'd have to put it 25· ·in tubes, have it
printed and so forth.· Where now you ·1· ·could e-mail it, it's there in ten minutes.· And it ·2· ·would seem to me that it would have been sent to you. ·3· ·But you're saying it was
not? ·4· · · · A.· ·Well, I think it had to be.· I just don't have ·5· ·it.· I don't know where -- But at the time, you know, ·6· ·from looking at that elevation knew that it was close.
·7· ·And that's what we needed to look at.· And I know -·8· · · · Q.· ·And I understand, and I appreciate it.· And ·9· ·also it appears in these e-mails that you and 10· ·Mr. Thrasher
and Mr. Benjamin Schreier, were sort of 11· ·having a three-way -12· · · · A.· ·At times. 13· · · · Q.· ·-- discussion.· And I'm assuming that -14· ·Schreier, is he the architect? 15·
· · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·He had the plans.· I'd have to think that, 17· ·you're a pro, that you had the plans, and for 18· ·Mr. Thrasher to be involved, he had to have the plans,
19· ·particularly if the application came in; would that be 20· ·fair to say? 21· · · · A.· ·I would assume. 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 23· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Off the record.· There
are some 24· · · · pretty neat pictures. 25 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·Just out of curiosity, I'm looking at an ·3· ·e-mail that you sent to Mr. Thrasher April 17, 2013 at
·4· ·9:33 a.m.· And you're talking about Section 66-431, ·5· ·which is near and dear to my heart. ·6· · · · · · ·Have there been any changes?· I see you've ·7· ·recommended changes
to the code here.· Have there been ·8· ·any changes? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection.· It does not relate 10· · · · to any admissible evidence in this case. 11· · · · · · ·You
can answer. 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah. 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Do you have an exhibit number 14· · · · you're referring to there? 15· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· 8-D. 16·
· · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Thanks. 17· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No. 18· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· The documents that we 19· · · · gave you as, I guess, Exhibits 1 through 9, can
we 20· · · · give those back to the witness, young lady? 21· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · · Q.· ·And, Mr. Minor, I have one just quick question 23· ·for you, which you can probably get
through in 30 24· ·seconds.· And that is are any of those documents to your 25· ·knowledge not available electronically? ·1· ·A.· ·No.· They are all available electronically. ·2· ·Q.·
·Okay.· Thank you. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· I'm trying to organize for you. ·4· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Thank you. ·5· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· He is your employee.· Okay. ·6· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:·
Done? ·7· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· You're up next, Skip. ·8· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I have no questions. ·9· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· No.· No.· I'm going to depose 10· ·you next. 11· · · · MR.
RANDOLPH:· Go ahead. 12· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Do you want that transcribed, 13· ·Mr. O'Boyle? 14· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes. 15· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Okay.· And copy? 16· · · · MR.
RANDOLPH:· Yes.· How soon can we have 17· ·that? 18· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Do you need it quicker; our 19· ·normal turnaround is seven to ten business days. 20· ·If you'd like it quicker,
there is a rush charge. 21· ·So, let's see, what's seven days? 22· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Ten to twelve days would be 23· ·good. 24· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Okay.· So it would fall on 25·
·the weekend.· Is June 17th fine? ·1· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I would like to pay for a rush ·2· ·charge. ·3· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Okay.· When would like it by? ·4· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:·
If you could get it to me -·5· ·What's today, Wednesday? ·6· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Yes. ·7· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Is it unreasonable to ask for ·8· ·it by Monday? ·9· · · · COURT REPORTER:·
No.· That's fine. 10· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Is Friday... 11· · · · COURT REPORTER:· No, I will go ahead and get 12· ·it to you by Friday. 13· · · · (Deposition was concluded at 11:55
a.m.) 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE OF OATH ·2· ·THE STATE OF FLORIDA) ·3· ·COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) ·4 ·5· · · · · · ·I, the undersigned authority,
certify that the ·6· ·witness, MARTY MINOR, personally appeared before me and ·7· ·was duly sworn on Wednesday, the 5th day of June, 2013. ·8 ·9· · · · · · ·Dated this 6th day of June,
2013. 10 11 12 13 · · · · · · · · · ·_________________________________ 14· · · · · · · · ·KATHLEEN LUSZ, RPR · · · · · · · · · ·Notary Public - State of Florida 15· · · · · · · · ·My
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·COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) ·4 ·5· · · · · · ·I, KATHLEEN LUSZ, Registered Professional · · ·Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of ·6· ·Florida at large, do hereby certify that
I was · · ·authorized to and did report said deposition in ·7· ·stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true and · · ·correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said ·8· ·deposition.
·9· · · · · · ·I further certify that said deposition was · · ·taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and 10· ·that the taking of said deposition was commenced and · · ·completed
as hereinabove set out. 11 · · · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not attorney or 12· ·counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or · · ·employee of any attorney or counsel
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19 20 21· · · · · · _____________________________________ · · · · · · · KATHLEEN LUSZ, RPR 22 23 24 25 ·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2 ·3· · · · Our Assignment No.·
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Page 1 · · ·IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL · · ·CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA · · · · · ·CASE NO. 502013CA006750XXXXMB AO MARTIN E. O'BOYLE, · · · · ·
Plaintiff, -vsTOWN OF GULF STREAM, · · · · · Defendant. _____________________________________________________ · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF MARTY MINOR · · · · · ·TAKEN ON BEHALF OF
THE PLAINTIFF · · · · · · · · Wednesday, June 5, 2013 · · · · · · · · · ·9:14 - 11:55 a.m. · · · · · · · · · · · 100 Sea Road · · · · · · · Gulf Stream, Florida· 33483 Reported by:
Kathleen Lusz, RPR Job#377575 Page 2 ·1· ·APPEARANCES: ·2· ·On behalf of the Plaintiff: ·3· · · · MARTIN E. O'BOYLE, Pro Se · · · · · COMMERCE GROUP ·4· · · · 1280 West Newport Center
Drive · · · · · Deerfield Beach, Florida· 33442 ·5· · · · Telephone:· 954.570.3518 ·6 ·7· ·On behalf of the Defendant: ·8· · · · JOHN C. RANDOLPH, Esquire · · · · · JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON
& STUBBS ·9· · · · 505 South Flagler Drive, Suite 1100 · · · · · West Palm Beach, Florida· 33401 10· · · · Telephone:· 561.650.0400 11 12· ·ALSO PRESENT: 13· · · · MARRETT W. HANNA,
Esquire · · · · · WILLIAM THRASHER, Town Manager 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 3 ·1· · · · · · · · · · · · ·I-N-D-E-X ·2· ·MARTY MINOR· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·PAGE
·3· ·Direct Examination by Mr. O'Boyle· · · · · · ·4 ·4 ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· · · · · · · · · · E X H I B I T S· ·M A R K E D ·6· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· · · ·Plaintiff's
·7 · · ·No. 1· · · · · · · · · ·Subpoena· · · · · · · 5 ·8· ·No. 2· · · · · · · · · · · CD· · · · · · · · ·7 · · ·No. 3· · · · · · · · Records Request· · · · ·34 ·9· ·No. 4· · · · ·
· · ·E-Mails 3/27/2013· · · · 35 · · ·No. 5· · · · · · · ·E-Mail 3/27/2013· · · · ·49 10· ·No. 6· · · · · · · ·E-Mail· 6/4/2013· · · · ·65 · · ·No. 7· · · ·E-Mails 5/14/2013 & 5/15/2013·
· 65 11· ·No. 8-A· · · · · · ·Subpoena Documents· · · ·76 · · ·No. 8-B· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 12· ·No. 8-C· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-D· · ·
· · · · E-Mail 4/17/2013· · · · 76 13· ·No. 8-E· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 · · ·No. 8-F· · · · · · · · ·Composite· · · · · · 76 14· ·No. 8-G· · · · · · · · ·Composite·
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8-K· · · · · · · E-Mails 3/27/2013· · · ·82 · · ·No. 8-L· · · · · · · · · Drawing· · · · · · ·82 17· ·No. 9· · · · · · · · · · Report· · · · · · · 84 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 4
·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION OF MARTY MINOR ·2· · · · · · · · · · · · ·JUNE 5, 2013 ·3· · · · · · · · · · · · · ·-· -· ·4· ·Thereupon, ·5· · · · · · · · · · · · MARTY MINOR, ·6·
·having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified ·7· ·as follows: ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I do. ·9· · · · · · · · · · · DIRECT EXAMINATION 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · ·
· Q.· ·Mr. Minor, my name is Martin O'Boyle.· And I 12· ·am deposing you here today. 13· · · · · · ·Have you ever been deposed before? 14· · · · A.· ·No. 15· · · · Q.· ·If I ask you
a question and you don't 16· ·understand it, please stop me and ask me to explain it 17· ·or to repeat it so that you do understand it.· I would 18· ·not speculate.· If you don't know
the answer to the 19· ·question, just say you don't know.· And, of course, if 20· ·you do know, you do know. 21· · · · · · ·Do you have any questions in connection with 22· ·the process
of the deposition? 23· · · · A.· ·No, I do not. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did you receive a copy of the subpoena 25· ·duces tecum for today's deposition? Page 5 ·1· · · · A.· ·Yes, I did.
·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Could we have this -·3· · · · Have you seen this, Skip? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yes. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Could we have this
·6· · · · marked? ·7· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 1 was marked for ·8· ·identification.) ·9· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 10· · · · Q.· ·And what documents did you bring in response
11· ·to that subpoena? 12· · · · A.· ·Here are the documents in paper and digital 13· ·form that you requested. 14· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And are you familiar with the request 15· ·that
was made to the Town of Gulf Stream for documents? 16· · · · A.· ·Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And would you like to see, or do you 18· ·think you remember it well enough?· Or do you
have a 19· ·copy? 20· · · · A.· ·Is it the request that was included in the 21· ·complaint? 22· · · · Q.· ·The answer is yes. 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, then I've seen it. 24· · · · Q.· ·Just
out of curiosity, how did you get a copy 25· ·of the complaint? Page 6 ·1· · · · A.· ·Mr. Randolph sent it to me? ·2· · · · Q.· ·When did he send it to you may I ask? ·3· · · · A.·
·Yes.· Yesterday. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Yesterday? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So when you received the subpoena, you ·7· ·really didn't know what this was about? ·8· · · · A.·
·No. ·9· · · · Q.· ·You didn't speak to Mr. Thrasher or 10· ·Ms. Taylor? 11· · · · A.· ·No.· I was asked to pull these documents that 12· ·you requested. 13· · · · Q.· ·From whom? 14·
· · · A.· ·Mr. Thrasher initially, yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·And subsequent? 16· · · · A.· ·I think this was just Mr. Thrasher.· I'm 17· ·sorry.· I misspoke. 18· · · · Q.· ·I'm sorry? 19·
· · · A.· ·It was Mr. Thrasher.· It was just 20· ·Mr. Thrasher. 21· · · · Q.· ·And he asked you to pull the documents in 22· ·question? 23· · · · A.· ·Pull the documents. 24· · · ·
Q.· ·Okay.· And what you handed me is a disk which 25· ·is not designated other than I guess it says TDK, Tango, Page 7 ·1· ·Delta, Kilo, Life on Record, charlie, Delta, hyphen, ·2·
·Romeo, 52X 80 minutes, 700 megabytes with no other ·3· ·designation; would that be correct? ·4· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Ands it's in a white envelope. ·6· · · · ·
· ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Can we mark this as well? ·7· · · · · · ·Skip, do you need to see this? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No. ·9· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 2 was marked
for 10· ·identification.) 11· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· · · · Q.· ·Tell me if you would the process -- Well, let 13· ·me go back beyond that. 14· · · · · · ·You work for - I'm going to see
if I remember 15· ·right this time - Urban Design Kilday? 16· · · · A.· ·Studios. 17· · · · Q.· ·Studios.· I got it three-quarters right. 18· · · · · · ·How long have you been with
Urban Design 19· ·Kilday Studios? 20· · · · A.· ·Since 1999. 21· · · · Q.· ·And what is your position there?· For example, 22· ·are you -- I don't know how design studios work, but
in 23· ·a law firm you might be a partner, an associate and of 24· ·counsel.· What would be your role? 25· · · · A.· ·I am a senior planner. Page 8 ·1· · · · Q.· ·Senior planner? ·2·
· · · A.· ·Correct. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Are you just an employee, or are you an equity ·4· ·partner? ·5· · · · A.· ·An employee. ·6· · · · Q.· ·And what does a senior planner do? ·7· · ·
· A.· ·I get this question from my parents all the ·8· ·time.· A senior planner I'm assigned projects either -·9· ·larger in the private side, some public side.· To -- On 10· ·the private
side, to help design the project, determine 11· ·what can be built there, coordinate with each of the 12· ·consultants to put together the applicable documents for 13· ·submittal to
local government for the submittal.· And 14· ·then through the process I work with staff and at times 15· ·make presentations to the deciding boards. 16· · · · Q.· ·Uh-huh. 17· · ·
· A.· ·On the public side I am asked to sit on the 18· ·other side of the table to review application projects 19· ·for the conformance with all applicable regulations. 20· · · · Q.·
·Looking at the private side first -- I don't 21· ·know if I was capable of writing down all you said as 22· ·quickly as you said it.· What I wrote down was you do 23· ·design work,
you coordinate with consultants.· You 24· ·didn't say this, but it's my words, you process or 25· ·obtain the permits to take it through the necessary Page 9 ·1· ·steps? ·2· · · · A.·
·Through the development approval process. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And you work with staff? ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· ·And when you say staff, if you were not ·6· ·Gulf Stream's consultant
-·7· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. ·8· · · · Q.· ·-- but worked for a private developer who came ·9· ·in here, you would work with Mr. Thrasher and/or 10· ·Ms. Taylor as being the staff? 11· ·
· · A.· ·Correct. 12· · · · Q.· ·And for the City of West Palm Beach, I assume 13· ·they have a bigger department of people who do it 14· ·full-time, and you go in and work with those
folks? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·That's a fair analogy? 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · Q.· ·And on the public side, who do you represent 19· ·on the public side? 20· · ·
· A.· ·Currently Gulf Stream. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when I say you, I don't mean you. 22· ·And I apologize for that. 23· · · · A.· ·Okay. 24· · · · Q.· ·I mean Urban Kilday -25·
· · · A.· ·Urban Design Kilday Studios. Page 10 ·1· · · · Q.· ·Yes.· That's what I mean. ·2· · · · A.· ·In the past we worked for Palm Beach County, ·3· ·we worked for Ocean Ridge,
Delray Beach, a multitude of ·4· ·different local governments. ·5· · · · Q.· ·And of that multitude, how many of them do you ·6· ·work for on say June 5, 2013? ·7· · · · A.· ·The Town
of Gulf Stream. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What happened with Palm Beach County? ·9· · · · A.· ·Palm Beach County I believe the firm did work 10· ·on zoning and site plan details regarding
some waste 11· ·water treatment plans. 12· · · · Q.· ·And? 13· · · · A.· ·And we get those approved through the local 14· ·process. 15· · · · Q.· ·But what made -- What happened that
made your 16· ·relationship, contract, whatever it was come to an end? 17· · · · A.· ·The approval of the waste water treatment plan 18· ·or the amendment to the waste water treatment
plan. 19· · · · Q.· ·I see.· So it was task specific? 20· · · · A.· ·Correct. 21· · · · Q.· ·You performed that task specific, and you 22· ·finished much like a lawyer might finish
a trial for 23· ·someone? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when was that? Page 11 ·1· · · · A.· ·Well, the firm has done several.· I've not ·2· ·been involved with the
majority of them so I don't know ·3· ·those time frames. ·4· · · · · · ·The one I assisted with was in Royal Palm ·5· ·Beach and that was done, I'm guessing, two years ago. ·6· · ·
· Q.· ·And was that another sewer? ·7· · · · A.· ·Yeah.· Waste water treatment plan.· It was an ·8· ·amendment to an existing plan. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And is that what the firm specializes
in? 10· · · · A.· ·We provide general planning and landscaping 11· ·services for all types of developments, largely private 12· ·development. 13· · · · Q.· ·So if I wanted to build
a cyclotron in my 14· ·backyard, I would contact you? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·In Ocean Ridge what did you do? 17· · · · A.· ·I prepared their evaluation and appraisal 18·
·report and prepared the comprehensive plan amendments 19· ·that resulted from the evaluation and appraisal report. 20· · · · Q.· ·Are you a licensed appraiser? 21· · · · A.· ·No, I'm
not an appraiser. 22· · · · Q.· ·And did I miss it, or did you say you prepared 23· ·the appraisal? 24· · · · A.· ·The evaluation and appraisal report.· It is a 25· ·state mandated
update and review of each town's Page 12 ·1· ·comprehensive plan. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· Not evaluation. ·3· · · · A.· ·Not evaluation. ·4· · · · Q.· ·I see.· Okay.· And so you prepared
that plan, ·5· ·I guess, at the behest of Ocean Ridge? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·And was that a job sort of like in Palm Beach ·8· ·County where it was task specific and at
the end of the ·9· ·completion of the task that that was the end of the -10· · · · A.· ·That's correct. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the result of the fruits of your 12· ·labor there,
can you tell me as if I were your mother 13· ·how proud you are of...· You can finish the sentence. 14· · · · A.· ·You lost me there.· You mentioned my mother; I 15· ·started thinking
about my mother. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 17· · · · A.· ·Can you rephrase. 18· · · · Q.· ·You said my mother asks me this all the time. 19· · · · A.· ·Yes, I know.· Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·And
what I am asking is the fruits of your -21· ·What actually occurred as a result of your labor?· As an 22· ·example, if I'm a carpenter banging nails, you can see 23· ·the garage I built
as the fruits of the labor. 24· · · · · · ·What were the fruits of your labor? 25· · · · A.· ·The state mandated evaluation and appraisal Page 13 ·1· ·report was reviewed and adopted
by the state as an ·2· ·approved document.· As a result, comprehensive plan ·3· ·amendments were made, went through the review process in ·4· ·the Town of Ocean Ridge and was adopted.·
So the ·5· ·comprehensive plan was amended to update their ·6· ·comprehensive plan to address new state laws and ·7· ·changing conditions within the town. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And
this was Marty Minor as opposed to ·9· ·someone else at the firm? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the Palm Beach County and Royal 12· ·Palm Beach was not Marty Minor,
meaning leading the 13· ·charge? 14· · · · A.· ·Correct. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Delray Beach.· Tell me about that. 16· · · · A.· ·So in the past people in my firm had worked 17· ·with
the city to develop design guidelines for the beach 18· ·property area. 19· · · · Q.· ·And give me an example.· I think of sand when 20· ·I think of the beach. 21· · · · A.· ·There
is a neighborhood out on the island in 22· ·Delray Beach as many single family homes and designed -23· ·We developed, at the city's request, design guidelines, 24· ·and I think the
neighborhood's request too, design 25· ·guidelines for the review of new homes and amendments to Page 14 ·1· ·homes. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· And was that you or someone else in ·3· ·the
firm? ·4· · · · A.· ·That was someone else. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And did they adopt all of your ·6· ·recommendations? ·7· · · · A.· ·Where? ·8· · · · Q.· ·In Delray Beach? ·9· · ·
· A.· ·In Delray Beach?· I was not part of that. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you just don't know? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 12· · · · Q.· ·And that's fair enough. 13· · · · · · ·You
mentioned after Delray Beach you mentioned 14· ·multiple other towns.· Rather than go through them all, 15· ·can you just tell me of the multiple other towns the 16· ·ones that you
were -17· · · · A.· ·Involved with.· I believe that's it that I can 18· ·remember. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So unless I'm missing, you did -- I 20· ·don't know that I have it written right,
the mandated 21· ·appraisal and comprehensive plan for Ocean Ridge, and 22· ·you represent Gulf Stream? 23· · · · A.· ·Correct. 24· · · · Q.· ·What do you do for the rest of the day?
25· · · · A.· ·The rest of my day I work on private Page 15 ·1· ·development. ·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· And I assume that the private ·3· ·development is it local in Palm Beach or throughout
the ·4· ·United States? ·5· · · · A.· ·South Florida.· Majority in Palm Beach County. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And when you work on these private ·7· ·projects, if I came in to you and
said I want to build a ·8· ·hotel on Okeechobee Boulevard, what can you do for me? ·9· ·Or can you give me a proposal, I live in Nebraska, and I 10· ·don't want to really bother with
it; what would you do 11· ·for me? 12· · · · A.· ·First, we would do a proposal for our 13· ·services.· And our services include due diligence on the 14· ·property to make sure you
can build a hotel there.· Or 15· ·what would be the process to have a hotel built there. 16· ·We would review all the applicable codes, the 17· ·comprehensive plan amendments, coordinate
or at least 18· ·inform the developer regarding regulations concerning 19· ·traffic concurrency, concurrency regarding other 20· ·municipal services. 21· · · · · · ·From that point
if the -- you know, the 22· ·concurrency and the zoning are in place or can be 23· ·reasonably obtainable, then we go into the design.· Work 24· ·with the architect.· We don't design
buildings, but we 25· ·help, you know, where the buildings would go on the Page 16 ·1· ·piece of property, help design access points and ·2· ·landscaping. ·3· · · · Q.· ·So as to the
last few, I have site layout, ·4· ·access points, landscaping; fair enough? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you would have, I guess, outside ·7· ·consultants that you
would work with like a first grade ·8· ·architect, such as Bob Cary (phonetic) as an example, or ·9· ·top engineer, an engineer who is very familiar with the 10· ·process and so forth?
11· · · · A.· ·Yes.· We work -12· · · · Q.· ·And would you assemble that team? 13· · · · A.· ·If requested.· Other times a landowner will 14· ·have his team in place or a part of his
team in place. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Tell me about your life before 1999. 16· · · · A.· ·What would you like to know? 17· · · · Q.· ·We can start with 1998. 18· · · · A.· ·1998.· I
was a principal planner with the City 19· ·of Palm Beach Gardens. 20· · · · Q.· ·And what does that mean? 21· · · · A.· ·At that time I reviewed applications coming in 22· ·to the city
for development projects, and supervised two 23· ·or three planners. 24· · · · Q.· ·And when you say supervised two or three 25· ·planners, I'm going to assume you're a young man.·
In Page 17 ·1· ·1998, it's 15 years ago, you were a very young man.· And ·2· ·two or three planners under you, they must have been ·3· ·junior to you? ·4· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·5· ·
· · Q.· ·Okay.· So I'm going to say three junior ·6· ·planners; would that be fair? ·7· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So your role there was akin to ·9· ·Mr. Thrasher's
role here? 10· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm not a town manager.· This was 11· ·strictly -- And I wasn't the planning director.· I was 12· ·head of the current planning provision.· There was
a 13· ·comprehensive plan provision also. 14· · · · Q.· ·The planning director, what was his role? 15· · · · A.· ·Actually, at that time it was a lady.· And her 16· ·role was -17· ·
· · Q.· ·I'm sorry. 18· · · · A.· ·That's okay. 19· · · · · · ·-- was to run the department, oversee the 20· ·operations, you know, including the budgets, human 21· ·resource issues.·
And then also working with the town -22· ·the city manager there. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I assume you? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Did she ever override you? Page 18
·1· · · · A.· ·You mean disagree or object to -- What do you ·2· ·mean override? ·3· · · · Q.· ·In my shop we may say we're going to put this ·4· ·clause in a contract.· And they bring
the contract to ·5· ·me, and I say I don't think we should put it in; I'm ·6· ·going to take it out.· So essentially the younger ·7· ·person -- I'm an old guy.· The younger person would
want ·8· ·it in, and I would override him by saying it's not going ·9· ·in.· Did that ever happen? 10· · · · A.· ·Oh, yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·And was that a once in a blue moon or -12·
· · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Let me interrupt 13· · · · for a moment and state this in the form of an 14· · · · objection, and ask you, Mr. O'Boyle, how this 15· · · · question
and your previous questions are calculated 16· · · · to lead to admissible evidence in this particular 17· · · · case? 18· · · · · · ·And I would like to say that for the record, 19·
· · · and I don't need to say it because the complaint is 20· · · · part of the record, that this case deals with four 21· · · · counts:· One, the Town charged too much for 22· · ·
· documents provided; two, that it improperly 23· · · · redacted a document; three, that all of the 24· · · · documents requested were not provided; and, four, 25· · · · that the documents
were not provided in electronic Page 19 ·1· ·format as you have requested. ·2· · · · This witness has come in response to a ·3· ·subpoena today to address the issues -·4· · · · MS.
HANNA:· Excuse me.· Can you stop?· Can you ·5· ·go off the record? ·6· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· You can't go off the ·7· ·record. ·8· · · · MS. HANNA:· Yes, you can. ·9· · · · MR.
RANDOLPH:· I'm making an objection.· It's 10· ·a speaking objection that I'm making. 11· · · · MS. HANNA:· You -12· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Are you attorney 13· ·for this,
gentleman? 14· · · · MS. HANNA:· Yes, I am. 15· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Then will you file a notice of 16· ·appearance? 17· · · · MS. HANNA:· We're paying per minute -- for 18· ·words
here.· You don't need to have -19· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me. 20· · · · MS. HANNA:· You can make an objection, but you 21· ·don't need to make such a long speaking objection. 22·
· · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I have the right to do that. 23· · · · MS. HANNA:· You don't need to say the 24· ·complaint.· And I'm not going to argue about that. 25· ·You can make your objection.
Page 20 ·1· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· If you are ·2· ·representing Mr. O'Boyle -·3· · · · MS. HANNA:· Please stop typing for a second. ·4· ·We are off the record. ·5· · · · MR.
RANDOLPH:· No.· We are not off the record. ·6· · · · MS. HANNA:· We're off the record. ·7· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· We are not off the record.· If ·8· ·you are representing Mr. O'Boyle,
you should file a ·9· ·notice of appearance.· If you are going to -10· · · · MS. HANNA:· I can make a limited appearance. 11· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· You are going to have to file a 12·
·notice of appearance. 13· · · · MS. HANNA:· Mr. O'Boyle.· Will you ask her to 14· ·stop typing, please? 15· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· She will not stop. 16· · · · MS. HANNA:· He has no
reason to continue. 17· ·It's a waste of your money to keep her typing. 18· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· I am inclined to just let him 19· ·finish. 20· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· So there were four
counts.· And 21· ·I indicated that this witness has been subpoenaed 22· ·in order to address issues related to this 23· ·particular case. 24· · · · I think -- I have allowed these questions
to 25· ·go on, because I think you're trying to establish Page 21 ·1· · · · the background of this gentleman, which I think is ·2· · · · fair.· But then you started getting into questions
·3· · · · about whether or not a supervisor has ever ·4· · · · overruled him.· And then your next question was ·5· · · · once in a blue moon or how many times. ·6· · · · · · ·My question
to you in follow up to my ·7· · · · objection is how that is calculated to lead to ·8· · · · admissible discovery in this particular case? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I am allowed
a great deal of 10· · · · latitude in a deposition.· Your record is -- Or 11· · · · your objection is noted for the record. 12· · · · · · ·And was there an outstanding question? 13·
· · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 14· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It was part of the overall work 15· · · · operation.· It was part -- You draft letters.· You 16· · ·
· draft reports.· It gets passed around.· It gets 17· · · · marked up.· It gets changed. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Fair enough.· Your current position 20· ·at -- I'm
going to call it Urban; is that okay? 21· · · · A.· ·That's fine. 22· · · · Q.· ·You started in '99.· We just talked about '98. 23· ·Were you with the city there before '98? 24· · ·
· A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·May I ask when you started? Page 22 ·1· · · · A.· ·I started there in 19 -- excuse me, 1989. ·2· ·Approximately, to be clear, for nine months I believe in
·3· ·the mid '90s, in '94, '95, I worked for the City of ·4· ·Greenacres.· I left Gardens, went to Greenacres for nine ·5· ·months, and then came back to Gardens. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
I assume '95 to '98 at Gardens your ·7· ·position was the same? ·8· · · · A.· ·No. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Can you tell me what your position was 10· ·in '95? 11· · · · A.· ·'95 I was
a Planner 2.· Planner number two. 12· ·They had Planner 1 and Planner 2. 13· · · · Q.· ·And in the briefest of fashions can you tell 14· ·me what that means? 15· · · · A.· ·You are
a reviewing planner to provide 16· ·information to the public and to review development 17· ·projects and assist the principal planners. 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And from '89 to '94? 19·
· · · A.· ·I was a planning technician. 20· · · · Q.· ·And again in the briefest of fashions can 21· ·you -22· · · · A.· ·Planning technician was the -- sat at the 23· ·front desk answering
questions regarding planning 24· ·issues, I took minutes at some meetings, and did the 25· ·initial processing of applications, the distribution of Page 23 ·1· ·plans, and then also
begin the early stages of review. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Is the planning technician in the City of ·3· ·Palm Beach Gardens, is that the low man on the totem ·4· ·pole? ·5· · · · A.· ·Pretty
much, yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay. ·7· · · · A.· ·An entry position. ·8· · · · Q.· ·And I assume before '89 you were in high ·9· ·school? 10· · · · A.· ·No.· No, I was not. 11· · · · Q.·
·And can you tell me where you were? 12· · · · A.· ·I was working as the editor of a weekly 13· ·newspaper in Martin County, The Martin County News. 14· · · · Q.· ·And for what period
was that? 15· · · · A.· ·Roughly? 16· · · · Q.· ·Roughly. 17· · · · A.· ·For two years. 18· · · · Q.· ·'87 to '89? 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. 20· · · · Q.· ·And this was a local like a weekly,
like The 21· ·Coastal Star or whatever it is here? 22· · · · A.· ·It was a weekly newspaper. 23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· All right.· And before that? 24· · · · A.· ·I was a reporter with
the Stuart, Florida 25· ·News. Page 24 ·1· · · · Q.· ·And that was from when to '87? ·2· · · · A.· ·That was from '86 through '87. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And that was in Stuart as well? ·4·
· · · A.· ·That's in Stuart too. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Was that weekly or daily? ·6· · · · A.· ·That's a daily newspaper. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are we ready to get you into college yet? ·8· · · ·
A.· ·You've reached that point. ·9· · · · Q.· ·All right.· Can you tell me about that? 10· · · · A.· ·I attended college at Ohio University from 11· ·1981 through 1985. 12· · · · Q.·
·And you've received? 13· · · · A.· ·Bachelor's in Science of journalism. 14· · · · Q.· ·How does one get from journalism to planning 15· ·cyclotrons in peoples' backyards? 16· · ·
· A.· ·I am not real sure what a cyclotron is.· But 17· ·as a reporter, I attended a lot of planning board 18· ·meetings and became interested.· Then while I was a 19· ·planning technician
in Palm Beach Gardens, and actually 20· ·even before then, I took night classes at Florida 21· ·Atlantic University where I received my master's in 22· ·Urban and Regional Planning
in 1995. 23· · · · Q.· ·So you have a master's in Regional Planning? 24· · · · A.· ·Urban and Regional Planning, yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·So when you worked for the City of Page 25 ·1· ·Palm
Beach Gardens in '89 to '94 as a planning ·2· ·technician -·3· · · · A.· ·Planning technician. ·4· · · · Q.· ·-- you really had no background? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· I was taking classes
at the time.· I was ·6· ·familiar with the process from my journalism background. ·7· ·And I had writing and research skills that were ·8· ·attractive when they -- I guess, you know,
when they ·9· ·hired me. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I may have written it down, and if I 11· ·ask you again, I apologize, but you came to Gulf Stream 12· ·at what point?· Was it '99 was
when you started with 13· ·Urban? 14· · · · A.· ·With Urban Design, yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·Yeah.· And this was right after the City of 16· ·Palm Beach Gardens? 17· · · · A.· ·Correct.
18· · · · Q.· ·And when did you come to Gulf Stream? 19· · · · A.· ·I started working for the Town in 2005. 20· · · · Q.· ·And before that, you were doing work solely 21· ·for the private
sector? 22· · · · A.· ·Yes.· Yeah.· That I can remember. 23· · · · Q.· ·Pardon? 24· · · · A.· ·That I can remember.· I don't remember -25· · · · Q.· ·That's okay. Page 26 ·1· · · ·
A.· ·-- anyone else. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Generally stated. ·3· · · · A.· ·Generally stating. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Your relationship with Gulf Stream, how ·5· ·did that come about? ·6· ·
· · A.· ·For the evaluation and appraisal report, the ·7· ·Town sought a proposal.· And we provided a proposal, and ·8· ·it was accepted.· And we began the process of doing that ·9·
·evaluation and appraisal report. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So these are my words, not yours.· Just 11· ·tell me if I am incorrect.· The relationship started 12· ·with the appraisal and
evaluation report? 13· · · · A.· ·The evaluation and appraisal report. 14· · · · Q.· ·All right.· You got me on that one. 15· · · · · · ·Okay.· And that was done, meaning you gained
16· ·that -- I'm looking for the word.· I just can't find it. 17· ·Excuse me. 18· · · · · · ·But you gained that assignment as a result of 19· ·an RFP? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't know.·
A member of my firm had already 21· ·worked with the Town on the design manual.· And so I 22· ·don't know what prompted -23· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 24· · · · A.· ·-- for the year. 25· · ·
· Q.· ·So a member of the firm worked on the design Page 27 ·1· ·manual, which I call the red book.· Is that the one you ·2· ·are talking about? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes, Chapter 70. ·4·
· · · Q.· ·Okay.· Before the evaluation and the ·5· ·appraisal? ·6· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I guess that person when they were ·8· ·given the assignment, they
said Marty Minor is the guy ·9· ·to handle it; is that -10· · · · A.· ·For the evaluation and appraisal report? 11· · · · Q.· ·Appraisal report, yes. 12· · · · A.· ·Yeah, it was assigned
to me. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, in Ocean Ridge it sounded like the 14· ·function or the assignment was identical? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·And in Ocean Ridge when the
assignment was 17· ·completed, that was the end? 18· · · · A.· ·Correct. 19· · · · Q.· ·In Gulf Stream, that's not what happened? 20· · · · A.· ·We continued to provide services. 21·
· · · Q.· ·Okay.· And what services did you continue to 22· ·provide? 23· · · · A.· ·We provided the study regarding the annexation 24· ·area. 25· · · · Q.· ·That was just recently
though, wasn't it? Page 28 ·1· · · · A.· ·That was -- Yes.· And the state mandated ·2· ·report for that.· There wasn't -- Your process took ·3· ·several years.· And then there was a
comprehensive plan ·4· ·amendment to complete that process. ·5· · · · Q.· ·I have somewhere, and I don't know if I'll ·6· ·find it quick enough, but agendas from the meetings.· I ·7·
·think it's called the ARPB meeting and the commission ·8· ·meeting. ·9· · · · · · ·And there they have on their agendas projects 10· ·for approval of sorts, whether it be a new or
remodel or 11· ·whatever the case is.· At what point did you get 12· ·involved in those projects? 13· · · · A.· ·At the request of the town manager. 14· · · · Q.· ·At what point? 15·
· · · A.· ·At what point?· I don't remember when that 16· ·started.· Sometimes it's just a simple question, and I'm 17· ·not involved.· Other things where it's a full review. 18· ·But
when that started, I couldn't tell you.· I'm sorry. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well, I don't know either.· But I've 20· ·been around now for about six months.· And it seems to 21· ·me for
at least the six months you're fully engaged. 22· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 23· · · · question. 24· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Pardon? 25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Object to the form of the Page 29 ·1· · · · question. ·2· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·3· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. ·4· · · · A.· ·What is the question? ·5· · · · Q.· ·I said I've been around
for about six months, ·6· ·and it essentially seems that you have been fully ·7· ·engaged in the process of the projects as shown on the ·8· ·agendas. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
The objection is based on the 10· · · · term "fully engaged".· I don't know what that 11· · · · means. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·You have been engaged? 14· · · · A.· ·Just
those projects that was specifically 15· ·requested to review, not all projects am I involved. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Tell me what project that you can 17· ·remember of late where you
were let's say heavily 18· ·involved, let's say involved other than at a minor 19· ·level, at a high level? 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me, but I'd like to 21· · · · state
my objection.· And I would like to base it on 22· · · · the fact that this question is not reasonably 23· · · · calculated to lead to admissible evidence. 24· · · · · · ·And I would
like you to define for us how this 25· · · · might lead to admissible evidence in this case. Page 30 ·1· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Again, I am allowed a broad ·2· ·latitude in a deposition.·
You have made your ·3· ·objection for the record. ·4· · · · And now if the witness -·5· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I would like an answer to that. ·6· ·Because at some point we may have to
go before the ·7· ·Court in regard to this deposition, and I would ·8· ·like you to give a reason how this question leads ·9· ·to -- is reasonably calculated to lead to 10· ·admissible
evidence in this limited public records 11· ·case. 12· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· It will provide -- Well, first 13· ·of all, I don't know everything it will provide. 14· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:·
Just for the record, let it be 15· ·noted that the person in attendance here who is a 16· ·lawyer who has not filed a notice of appearance in 17· ·this case is passing notes to the
client. 18· · · · MS. HANNA:· Also for the record, let it be 19· ·noted that the person in attendance can enter a 20· ·limited appearance, and I have done so. 21· · · · And also for
the record, let it be noted that 22· ·Mr. Randolph has a questionable authority to enter 23· ·appearance for Mr. Minor as Mr. Minor is a 24· ·consultant and a nonparty in this proceeding.
25· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· For the record -Page 31 ·1· · · · · · ·MS. HANNA:· And Mr. Randolph is representing ·2· · · · the Town and not Mr. Minor. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And
she is absolutely correct. ·4· · · · I represent the Town and not Mr. Minor.· And I'm ·5· · · · not giving any directions to Mr. Minor in regard to ·6· · · · what he should or should
not do in this deposition. ·7· · · · · · ·I'm representing the Town and making my ·8· · · · objections on behalf of the Town. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· In response to your inquiry,
are 10· · · · you instructing the witness not to answer? 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· Did you hear me instruct 12· · · · the witness not to answer? 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
No, I certainly didn't. 14· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15· · · · Q.· ·Then would you kindly respond? 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· But I asked you if you 17· · · · could advise us as to
how your questions are 18· · · · reasonably calculated to the lead to admissible 19· · · · evidence in this case. 20· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I'd like to continue on.· I 21· · · ·
think it will become obvious with the passing of 22· · · · time. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· So you refuse to answer that 24· · · · question? 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I think
I have. Page 32 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·Would you kindly answer the question? ·3· · · · A.· ·One of the projects was the Spence property ·4· ·subdivision. ·5· · · · Q.·
·And you would -- This is in the form of a ·6· ·question:· You would call that sort of a full-blown ·7· ·review by you? ·8· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, there was
also a review of 10· ·23 North Hidden Harbour Drive; would you call that a 11· ·full-blown review by you? 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to 13· · · · continue my
objections relating to whether these 14· · · · questions are reasonably calculated to lead to 15· · · · admissible evidence in this case.· And I will state 16· · · · that objection
for every question that I do not 17· · · · feel is leading to admissible evidence. 18· · · · · · ·And I would like you to explain for the record 19· · · · how these questions are calculated
to lead to 20· · · · admissible evidence in this public records case. 21· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I have. 22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · · Q.· ·Would you answer the question? 24· · ·
· · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You have not answered it.· You 25· · · · have stated that you've refused to answer it. Page 33 ·1· · · · · · ·You refuse to answer this one also? ·2· · · · · ·
·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's what you say. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Would you kindly answer the question. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· When you say that's what I say, ·6· · · ·
show me on the record where you have answered how ·7· · · · this is reasonably calculated to lead to admissible ·8· · · · evidence in this case. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I said
with the passing of time 10· · · · I think the mosaic will become clear. 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, that's not an answer. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Are you instructing him
not to 13· · · · answer? 14· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not instructing him not to 15· · · · answer. 16· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Then would you answer the question, sir?
18· · · · A.· ·I reviewed the materials that were provided to 19· ·me. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· But would you call the Spence 21· ·subdivision, we between us said it was a full-blown 22·
·review, 23 Hidden Harbour -23· · · · A.· ·It was a review.· It was a full review. 24· · · · Q.· ·Full review.· Okay. 25· · · · · · ·There was another property - and I may have Page
34 ·1· ·the name wrong; I hope not - I think the MacDonald ·2· ·property?· Mr. Wietsma, Wiesma (phonetic) was the ·3· ·architect. ·4· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·5· · · · Q.· ·What was your
review on that? ·6· · · · A.· ·I reviewed that also. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And am I correct it is MacDonald ·8· ·property? ·9· · · · A.· ·Correct. 10· · · · Q.· ·And that we would put
in the same category as 11· ·the others, a full review or full-blown review? 12· · · · A.· ·It was a full review. 13· · · · Q.· ·Fair enough. 14· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number
3 was marked for 15· ·identification.) 16· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm going to show you what is 18· ·Plaintiff's Exhibit 3 and ask you to take a look at 19· ·that.
20· · · · A.· ·Okay.· Is this the same that was provided in 21· ·the complaint? 22· · · · Q.· ·I'm virtually certain it was, but I will 23· ·double check to make sure.· Yes. 24· · ·
· · · ·You have seen it? 25· · · · A.· ·I have seen it. Page 35 ·1· · · · Q.· ·And you have reviewed it? ·2· · · · A.· ·I've reviewed this. ·3· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number
4 was marked for ·4· ·identification.) ·5· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·6· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to hand you Plaintiff's ·7· ·Exhibit 4.· And I'm going to ask that perhaps you share ·8· ·with
Mr. Randolph.· And I'm going to ask you if you've ·9· ·ever seen that? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·And where did you see it for the first time? 12· · · · A.· ·On my computer.
13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· There are two e-mails on there, 14· ·correct? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·And sometimes with me I'll have eight pages of 17· ·e-mails.· They just keep
growing one after another. 18· ·This is one page and sort of ends a little bit on the 19· ·abrupt side.· Is that the only page? 20· · · · A.· ·The only page of what? 21· · · · Q.· ·Of
the e-mails.· In other words, sometimes 22· ·you'll have, Dear Marty, would you be there Friday? 23· · · · · · ·Yes, Fred, I will be. 24· · · · · · ·Marty, would you bring your bow
and arrow? 25· · · · · · ·Yes, Fred.· And I will bring my paperclips. Page 36 ·1· · · · · · ·Whatever.· And they just keep going.· You've ·2· ·seen that I'm sure. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.
·4· · · · Q.· ·Is that the entire enchilada or is that -·5· · · · A.· ·I believe so without -- I believe so. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If it's not, it would be in this ·7· ·package; am
I correct? ·8· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And that document, am I correct, could have 10· ·been furnished electronically? 11· · · · A.· ·It was sent to me electronically.·
It was sent 12· ·back electronically.· And it should be on your disk. 13· · · · Q.· ·Right.· But I mean you sent it electronically; 14· ·it was sent back electronically.· Or it was
sent to you 15· ·electronically, and it was sent back electronically, 16· ·correct? 17· · · · A.· ·Correct. 18· · · · Q.· ·So the document could have been given 19· ·electronically?
20· · · · A.· ·You know, I don't give or -- Are you asking if 21· ·I could give it electronically?· Because I've provided 22· ·that. 23· · · · Q.· ·No, no.· What I'm asking is -- And
I'll ask 24· ·you a different way. 25· · · · · · ·These are two e-mails, correct? Page 37 ·1· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·An e-mail means electronic mail? ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.
·4· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Could you tell me any reason that you ·5· ·can think of as you sit here today that this document ·6· ·could not have been sent to another party ·7· ·electronically?
·8· · · · A.· ·I don't know of any reason. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You can't think of any? 10· · · · A.· ·I'm not aware of all the circumstances 11· ·regarding equipment.· But when I
sent this, it could 12· ·have been forwarded to someone else. 13· · · · Q.· ·Oh, that's right.· But you've now peaked my 14· ·interest when you say you're not familiar with 15· ·equipment.·
What would equipment have to do with it? 16· · · · A.· ·Well, the server, the computer system. 17· · · · Q.· ·Would not be able to forward an e-mail? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19·
· · · Q.· ·Have you ever seen a computer system that 20· ·would not forward an e-mail? 21· · · · A.· ·I guess if you're going to ask me about an old 22· ·question before e-mail. 23·
· · · Q.· ·Around the date of this? 24· · · · A.· ·No.· No.· No.· No.· No. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· That's fine.· I thank you very much. Page 38 ·1· · · · · · ·What is the process for
what I'm going to call ·2· ·a full-blown -- We talked about three projects, you ·3· ·and I:· The Spence property subdivision; 23 North Hidden ·4· ·Harbour Drive, and the MacDonald property.
·5· · · · · · ·How do we start? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Objection on the ·7· · · · basis that I don't believe this question is ·8· · · · reasonably calculated to lead
to admissible ·9· · · · evidence in this particular case. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And I'm wondering if you can 13· · · · explain
to us how it is reasonably calculated to 14· · · · lead to admissible evidence, Mr. O'Boyle? 15· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I've already answered the 16· · · · question. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
18· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 19· · · · A.· ·The request is made of me from the Town to 20· ·review. 21· · · · Q.· ·Let me -- I want to take this part slow.· And 22· ·you're a little
faster than me.· Please, excuse me. 23· · · · · · ·Okay.· So I'm just going to say here the start 24· ·of the process.· So you say the request is made of you 25· ·from the Town? Page
39 ·1· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And the Town being Mr. Randolph; the ·3· ·Town being Mr. Thrasher; the Town being the mayor?· The ·4· ·Town being -·5· · · · A.· ·Mr.
Thrasher. ·6· · · · Q.· ·So request to Mr. Minor from Mr. Thrasher. ·7· · · · · · ·Okay.· And how does that request come to you? ·8· · · · A.· ·Usually by phone call. ·9· · · · Q.·
·And I guess maybe I am a guy of habit, 10· ·although I'm sure some people take exception to that. 11· · · · · · ·In an institution such as a government usually 12· ·things are done
consistently.· When you say usually by 13· ·phone call, that sort of raises my antenna. 14· · · · · · ·What would make a phone call -- In other 15· ·words, what would start the process
with a phone call as 16· ·opposed to what would start the process with other than 17· ·a phone call? 18· · · · A.· ·I'm not instigating that so I don't know what 19· ·would prompt that.
20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So tell me about the phone call. 21· · · · A.· ·Mr. Thrasher would ask me -- We have this 22· ·application has come in; we'll send over the plans. 23· ·Could you
take a look at it, and review it. 24· · · · Q.· ·So application and plans sent to -- I'm going 25· ·to call you M.M.· It is easier to write down.· Is that a Page 40 ·1· ·fair analysis
-·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·-- fair statement? ·4· · · · · · ·So the process thus far is the request to ·5· ·Mr. Minor from Mr. Thrasher usually by phone.· And then ·6· ·application
and floor -- I'm sorry, and plans sent to ·7· ·Marty Minor by Mr. Thrasher; fair enough? ·8· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·9· · · · Q.· ·And how are they sent? 10· · · · A.· ·Sometimes electronically;
sometimes paper. 11· · · · Q.· ·And would that be because you requested them 12· ·electronically or requested them in paper? 13· · · · A.· ·Not necessarily.· It would be what's available
14· ·or what's the easiest, you know, to bring about.· If 15· ·they have an electronic version, it may be easier. 16· ·Otherwise maybe not everything is electronically 17· ·available
so they send the paper version. 18· · · · Q.· ·But isn't everything electronically available 19· ·when you get it? 20· · · · A.· ·I don't -- What do you mean? 21· · · · Q.· ·Well, from
what I've seen -- And I don't know 22· ·that I've seen everything that's why I asked the 23· ·question.· I have seen eight-and-a-half by eleven, which 24· ·certainly that machine will
scan it and e-mail it.· I've 25· ·seen eight-and-a-half by fourteen, which certainly that Page 41 ·1· ·machine will scan it and e-mail it. ·2· · · · · · ·And I've seen eleven by seventeen.·
And ·3· ·although I've never seen one of those pieces of paper ·4· ·being copied, I believe that that machine will scan it ·5· ·and e-mail it. ·6· · · · · · ·And I have not seen, and
I've looked at ·7· ·several files, but I've not seen twenty-four by ·8· ·thirty-six plans that were not available on eleven by ·9· ·seventeen. 10· · · · · · ·And then of, course, we
all know you probably 11· ·have a plotter in your office. 12· · · · A.· ·We do have a plotter in our office, yes. 13· · · · · · ·But what is your question? 14· · · · Q.· ·My question
is you said -- I think you said 15· ·whatever is more convenient, paper - and I don't want to 16· ·put words in your mouth.· If I'm incorrect, please 17· ·correct me - paper or electronic,
whatever is more 18· ·convenient.· And what I'm saying is -- Or whatever is 19· ·available I think you said. 20· · · · · · ·Isn't everything that's being sent to you 21· ·available
electronically? 22· · · · A.· ·If it was provided to the Town.· Like the 23· ·twenty-four by thirty-six sometimes we receive those 24· ·directly from the architect. 25· · · · Q.· ·Right.·
But not from the Town? Page 42 ·1· · · · A.· ·Not from the Town. ·2· · · · Q.· ·Right.· I'm talking about solely from the ·3· ·Town. ·4· · · · A.· ·From the Town sometimes they will
make that ·5· ·request to the engineer, applicant, or send the paper ·6· ·plans that they received as part of the application ·7· ·process. ·8· · · · Q.· ·But from the Town you said
sometimes paper, ·9· ·sometimes electronically? 10· · · · A.· ·Correct. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What is being sent to you in paper 12· ·could be sent to you electronically? 13· · · ·
· · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 14· · · · question. 15· · · · · · ·You can answer. 16· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· You mean is it possible or -- I 17· · · · know both --
The documents reside in both forms, 18· · · · paper and electronic. 19· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 20· · · · Q.· ·I'm sorry.· I didn't catch that.· Both 21· ·documents -22· · · · A.· ·The documents
exist both in paper and 23· ·electronics. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 25· · · · A.· ·What again is your question?· I'm sorry. Page 43 ·1· ·What -·2· · · · Q.· ·My question is this, if I were
sending ·3· ·documents to you -·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· ·-- I wouldn't even consider sending them in ·6· ·paper unless there was a reason that I had to send them ·7· ·in paper.·
As an example, twenty-four by thirty-six ·8· ·paper I don't think that our plotter could scan them. ·9· ·Maybe they can, and I don't know about it. 10· · · · · · ·But anything eleven
by seventeen or smaller I 11· ·would scan it, and I would e-mail it to you and have it 12· ·in ten minutes, rather than print it - which probably 13· ·takes longer than scanning it
- fold it, put it in an 14· ·envelope, put it on a postage meter, put postage on it, 15· ·bring it to the post office.· I can't imagine that I 16· ·would do that.· And that's what I
was asking you.· Why 17· ·would you get it in paper? 18· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 20· · · · A.· ·It's sent to me. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So sometimes you get it
in paper; 22· ·sometimes not.· It's almost like a wheel of fortune. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 24· · · · question. 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Either document
works for the Page 44 ·1· · · · review process. ·2· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·3· · · · Q.· ·Right.· But which one you get, there is no ·4· ·rationale or no reason why you would get it in paper
·5· ·versus electronic or electronic versus paper? ·6· · · · A.· ·I don't have a preference.· I don't know, you ·7· ·know, what would be the reason sent one way or the ·8· ·other.·
I don't send them. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Speed? 10· · · · A.· ·I don't -- I don't know.· You'd have to ask 11· ·the people who send those things. 12· · · · Q.· ·I'd have to ask them whether
electronically is 13· ·faster or slower than mail? 14· · · · A.· ·You would have to -- You will ask them what 15· ·you want to ask them.· I'm sure you will. 16· · · · Q.· ·But I'm asking
you. 17· · · · A.· ·You're asking me to -- Are you asking me to 18· ·speculate why they would do something? 19· · · · Q.· ·No.· I think what I'm asking you is can you 20· ·agree with
me sending it electronically is more 21· ·efficient, more cost efficient and more expeditious than 22· ·sending it in mail? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes, it is faster. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· That's
fine. 25· · · · · · ·By the way, the Town of Gulf Stream Land Page 45 ·1· ·Development Regulations, you were very proud one day ·2· ·when I saw you here.· And you said -- I think Bob
Cary ·3· ·was saying that he won, I don't know, a bunch of awards. ·4· ·And you had mentioned that this book won an award.· Can ·5· ·you tell me what award it won? ·6· · · · A.· ·It
won from the American Society of Landscape ·7· ·Architects.· I don't know the specific name of the ·8· ·award, but that was the entity that did that. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And then,
of course, this book we can 10· ·agree goes far, far, far beyond landscaping? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes.· It incorporates all aspects for land 12· ·regulation. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You have
received now the documents, 14· ·going through the sequence again.· There is a request 15· ·from Mr. Thrasher to you.· The request was usually made 16· ·by phone.· He would send to
you the application and 17· ·plans sometimes electronically, sometimes in paper. 18· · · · A.· ·Yes. 19· · · · Q.· ·Then what happens? 20· · · · A.· ·Then I would begin my review. 21·
· · · Q.· ·And what would you review? 22· · · · A.· ·The review would be to look at -- review the 23· ·materials provided. 24· · · · Q.· ·Let me stop you there.· Is there a standard
25· ·for what materials are provided? Page 46 ·1· · · · A.· ·What do you mean by standard? ·2· · · · Q.· ·I'm just trying to think of the best way I ·3· ·could articulate it.· As an
example, in order for me to ·4· ·review a mortgage file, I want to review the mortgage, ·5· ·the note, the assignment of leases and rents, the loan ·6· ·agreement, the security agreement,
all of -- There is a ·7· ·standard.· We list the documents that are relevant and ·8· ·necessary for the review.· Because at least in my ·9· ·business when you make a review, if you
miss something, 10· ·it could be a very serious miss.· So you look at 11· ·everything essentially. 12· · · · · · ·Do you look at everything? 13· · · · A.· ·I try to. 14· · · · Q.· ·Well,
what is sent to you? 15· · · · A.· ·What is usually the development plans. 16· · · · Q.· ·Just the development plans? 17· · · · A.· ·The application, things -- Depending on the 18·
·level of review depends on what materials are sent to 19· ·me. 20· · · · Q.· ·We started with those three properties, and we 21· ·agreed that they were a full-blown level of review.·
I 22· ·forgot the exact term, but essentially. 23· · · · · · ·So you would get the development plans? 24· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. 25· · · · Q.· ·You would get an application? Page 47 ·1·
· · · A.· ·Correct. ·2· · · · Q.· ·And what else would you get? ·3· · · · A.· ·Usually letters of confirmation of municipal ·4· ·services, drainage reports. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Let me just
stop you for a second.· You say ·6· ·letters of municipal services.· Availability of the ·7· ·municipal services? ·8· · · · A.· ·Correct.· That's for the subdivisions. ·9· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to state 10· · · · the same objection that I've stated in the past in 11· · · · that I don't believe these questions that are being 12· · · · raised
are reasonably calculated to lead to 13· · · · admissible evidence in this case. 14· · · · · · ·I believe that, Mr. O'Boyle, you are on a 15· · · · fishing expedition here.· The documents
that you 16· · · · requested in your request to produce were all 17· · · · communications published or written by Mr. Thrasher 18· · · · and Mr. O'Boyle -19· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:·
Mr. Minor. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me. 21· · · · · · ·-- Mr. Minor relating to Agenda 1, which was 22· · · · 3211 North Ocean Boulevard, Gulf Stream, Florida. 23· · · ·
I feel that you are going way beyond the issues 24· · · · raised in this lawsuit. 25· · · · · · ·You have been asking some questions recently Page 48 ·1· · · · about how items are sent.·
I think those are all ·2· · · · legitimate questions. ·3· · · · · · ·But in regard to the questions that you're ·4· · · · asking now about what his review process is, I ·5· · · · don't
believe that those are reasonably calculated ·6· · · · to lead to admissible evidence in this case unless ·7· · · · you can explain to me how they are. ·8· · · · · · ·And if your answer
is the same as before and ·9· · · · you just refuse to answer except to say that it 10· · · · will become clear as time goes by, I don't find 11· · · · that an acceptable answer to
my objection. 12· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, Mr. Randolph, I'm sorry 13· · · · that I can't appease you with what you deem to be 14· · · · acceptable and not acceptable. 15· ·BY
MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · · Q.· ·You can answer the question. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Let me just state that I am 18· · · · going to continue to raise that objection as long 19· ·
· · as you continue on a fishing expedition and as long 20· · · · as you cannot explain how this line of questioning 21· · · · is reasonably calculated to lead to admissible 22· · ·
· evidence in this case. 23· · · · · · ·And if you continue on a fishing expedition, 24· · · · we will continue this deposition to another date 25· · · · until we have the Court rule
on it. Page 49 ·1· · · · · · ·But go ahead. ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· What was the question again? ·3· · · · · · ·(A recess was had from 10:28 until 10:39 a.m.) ·4· · · · · · ·(The
question and answer were read by the ·5· ·reporter.) ·6· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 5 was marked for ·7· ·identification.) ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor,
I just handed to what is Exhibit 5. 10· ·Have you ever seen that before? 11· · · · A.· ·This is the e-mail I sent to Mr. Thrasher. 12· · · · Q.· ·And is that the entire chain of e-mails?
13· · · · · · ·We went through, and I said sometimes there 14· ·are eight pages:· Bring your fishing rod; I'll bring the 15· ·bait and so on and so forth? 16· · · · A.· ·No. 17· · ·
· Q.· ·No? 18· · · · A.· ·No. 19· · · · Q.· ·There is more than what's there? 20· · · · A.· ·You showed that to me earlier during this 21· ·deposition. 22· · · · Q.· ·I've never showed
that to you earlier. 23· · · · A.· ·You showed the previous e-mail. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· What exhibit? 25· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Exhibit 4. Page 50 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE:
·2· · · · Q.· ·I see.· So Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5 are the ·3· ·same? ·4· · · · A.· ·They are different.· But this is the initial ·5· ·and the response to the e-mail.· Exhibit 5 is the
·6· ·response. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Now, I use a lot of e-mail, and I ·8· ·assume that you do as well.· Would that be a correct ·9· ·statement? 10· · · · A.· ·That is correct. 11·
· · · Q.· ·Okay.· How could that be? 12· · · · A.· ·How could what be? 13· · · · Q.· ·How could these two be the same but different? 14· · · · A.· ·I don't know. 15· · · · Q.· ·Can
you -- Based upon all of your experience 16· ·and technology, can you -17· · · · A.· ·Speculate? 18· · · · Q.· ·-- give me a sense of how you -19· · · · A.· ·I have no idea. 20· · ·
· Q.· ·You have no idea? 21· · · · A.· ·I have no idea.· I was not -- I sent the 22· ·e-mail, and that was my -23· · · · Q.· ·But you sent the e-mail in response to an 24· ·e-mail,
did you not? 25· · · · A.· ·That is correct. Page 51 ·1· · · · Q.· ·In response to what e-mail? ·2· · · · A.· ·To the March 27th e-mail. ·3· · · · Q.· ·And that's the e-mail on the
bottom of the ·4· ·page of Exhibit 4? ·5· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And on Exhibit 5, did the e-mail fairy ·7· ·take it off? ·8· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the
form of the ·9· · · · question. 10· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't believe in the e-mail 11· · · · fairy.· I'm sorry. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Well, if the e-mail
fairy didn't take 14· ·it off, who did? 15· · · · A.· ·I have no idea. 16· · · · Q.· ·But you agree somebody took it off, don't you? 17· · · · A.· ·This -- As I said before, this shows
just the 18· ·response. 19· · · · Q.· ·Right.· But if it's on Four, it must be on 20· ·Five unless someone took it off; can we agree with that? 21· · · · A.· ·I guess. 22· · · · Q.·
·Well, don't guess. 23· · · · A.· ·I mean it depends on whether you wanted to see 24· ·the response or the question in response. 25· · · · Q.· ·Well, it doesn't make any difference.·
The Page 52 ·1· ·question I asked is unless somebody took it off.· If I ·2· ·only wanted to see this, they could certainly take that ·3· ·off? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to
the form.· I believe ·5· · · · you are asking him to speculate now.· He's ·6· · · · indicated that he did not know how this happened. ·7· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't know. ·8·
·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·But in Exhibit 4 there was an e-mail from 10· ·Mr. Thrasher; is that correct? 11· · · · A.· ·Correct. 12· · · · Q.· ·And a response from you, Mr. Minor?
13· · · · A.· ·Correct. 14· · · · Q.· ·And on Exhibit 5 was the identical response 15· ·from you, Mr. Minor, as in Exhibit 4, correct? 16· · · · A.· ·Correct. 17· · · · Q.· ·And Exhibit
5 there was nothing from 18· ·Mr. Thrasher.· But on Exhibit 4, in the very same 19· ·e-mail, where your responses are identical in Exhibit 4 20· ·and 5, Mr. Thrasher has an e-mail in
Exhibit 4, but it 21· ·is totally blank in Exhibit 5.· We can agree with that, 22· ·can't we? 23· · · · A.· ·Yes. 24· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Would you think that that was -- that 25· ·Mr.
Thrasher or someone in his office doctored Page 53 ·1· ·Exhibit 5? ·2· · · · A.· ·I have no idea. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· What would you define as doctored?· If ·4· ·I said this check
was doctored or that contract was ·5· ·doctored, what would come to your mind? ·6· · · · A.· ·If your example of the check, someone adding a ·7· ·couple zeros to a check is doctoring
a check or changing ·8· ·who it was made out to. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Or eliminating a couple zeros would be 10· ·doctoring a check? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·Or changing the date
from March 29th to 13· ·March 2nd would be doctoring a check by eliminating the 14· ·nine, correct? 15· · · · A.· ·Correct. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Can you look at this, and when I say
17· ·look at this, I'm talking about Exhibit 5, does it look 18· ·like it's been doctored? 19· · · · A.· ·It looks like just my response was provided. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does it
look like it was doctored? 21· · · · A.· ·I answered that question. 22· · · · Q.· ·Well, I am asking you again, does it look like 23· ·it was doctored? 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:·
Excuse me.· I do object.· He 25· · · · states he has answered the question to the best of Page 54 ·1· · · · his ability, and I want that objection on the ·2· · · · record. ·3· · · ·
· · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Would you read the question ·4· · · · back, please? ·5· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) ·6· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It just shows the response
and ·7· · · · not the question.· It doesn't -- That's what ·8· · · · Exhibit 5 shows.· My wording has not been modified ·9· · · · or changed. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Would
you read the 11· · · · question back again, please? 12· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 13· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Are you asking me is it to be 14· · · · modified,
has it been modified, is it different?· I 15· · · · think "doctored" is a loaded question, loaded word. 16· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 17· · · · Q.· ·Well, we went through the definition of 18·
·doctored and you seemed to be reasonably adroit in your 19· ·answer. 20· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· So, young lady, if you can read 21· · · · the question again. 22· · · · · · ·(The
question was read by the reporter.) 23· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· It is different.· It does not 24· · · · contain Mr. Thrasher's e-mail.· Exhibit 5 only 25· · · · contains my response.
Page 55 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, yes or no, does it look like it was ·3· ·doctored? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Objection.· I ·5· · · · believe you're
badgering the witness.· The witness ·6· · · · has answered the question to the best of his ·7· · · · ability.· I would ask that you move on. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·You
may answer. 10· · · · A.· ·I've answered the question, sir. 11· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 12· · · · A.· ·The question -- The response, my e-mail 13· ·response is on Exhibit 5. 14·
· · · · · ·Mr. Thrasher's e-mail that's on Exhibit 4 is 15· ·not on Exhibit 5. 16· · · · Q.· ·Does the lower half of Exhibit 5 look like it 17· ·has been doctored, yes or no? 18· ·
· · A.· ·I don't know what -19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Same objection. 20· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm not -- What do you mean 21· · · · looks?· What -- what -- No, I don't know.
22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23· · · · Q.· ·Well, we talked about a check dated 24· ·March 29th.· If someone were to erase the nine and you 25· ·can see it was fuzzy there and there may have
been Page 56 ·1· ·something -·2· · · · A.· ·Is this partial line is what you're referring ·3· ·to? ·4· · · · Q.· ·I'm asking you. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection.· He answered
the ·6· · · · question.· I believe you're at the point of ·7· · · · badgering the witness.· You're asking him to agree ·8· · · · to your term in regard to this exhibit.· He has ·9·
· · · answered the question. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.· ·Do you have another term besides doctored you 12· ·would like to use, Mr. Minor? 13· · · · A.· ·I have answered the
question regarding 14· ·Exhibit 5 shows my response in an e-mail.· Exhibit 4 15· ·shows the inquiry and my response. 16· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· That's not the question I asked you. 17· ·Would
you like for the court reporter to read it back? 18· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm sure you can ask me again. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I will ask you again then. 20· · · · · · ·But before I do,
if you'd like to use a term 21· ·other than doctored which would help you to answer the 22· ·question instead of avoid the question -23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form
of the 24· · · · question.· He's not avoided the question. 25 Page 57 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·-- I'm agreeable to that. ·3· · · · · · ·But my question is does this appear
to you to ·4· ·have been doctored? ·5· · · · A.· ·This appears -- You're also speculating.· This ·6· ·shows my response to the e-mail question.· It does not ·7· ·show Mr. Thrasher's
e-mail.· It only shows my response. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Does Exhibit 5 appear to have been ·9· ·altered? 10· · · · A.· ·As being different from Exhibit 4?· I have 11· ·told you several
times now how Four and Five are 12· ·different.· One, Exhibit 5 contains the response; 13· ·Exhibit 4 the inquiry and the response.· That's the 14· ·difference. 15· · · · · · ·My wording
in the e-mail is the same on 16· ·Exhibit 4 and Exhibit 5. 17· · · · Q.· ·And if I would have asked you that, that would 18· ·be a wonderful answer.· But that's not the question I 19·
·asked you. 20· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Let me try to 21· · · · expedite this a bit -22· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Sure. 23· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· -- by giving you
a stipulation. 24· · · · The Town will stipulate to the fact that it deleted 25· · · · from Exhibit 5 the information that appeared on the Page 58 ·1· ·bottom of Exhibit 4.· And the
reason it was done is ·2· ·because the Town did not feel that the e-mail at ·3· ·the bottom of Exhibit 4 was responsive to the ·4· ·public records request. ·5· · · · That's a stipulation.·
And that is a full ·6· ·explanation of what happened in regard to those two ·7· ·exhibits.· It is clear that there is a bar at the ·8· ·bottom, just as you've stated in your complaint,
·9· ·that shows there was something at the bottom that 10· ·had been deleted.· The Town admits that it did 11· ·delete that.· It deleted it because it did not feel 12· ·it was responsive
to your public records request. 13· · · · And if you continue on this question and 14· ·continue to badger this witness in regard to your 15· ·words "doctored", now you've asked "altered".
16· · · · Yes, we'll stipulate it has been altered by 17· ·virtue of the e-mail at the bottom of Exhibit 4 18· ·having been deleted by the Town. 19· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Mr. Randolph,
you're not here to 20· ·testify.· If you want to stipulate that it's been 21· ·altered and leave it at that, that's fine.· If you 22· ·want to come up with excuses and reasons and so
23· ·forth for the Town, we should put you under oath 24· ·and you can testify. 25· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· The stipulation is Page 59 ·1· · · · as I stated it on the record.
·2· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· That's unacceptable. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's unacceptable to you? ·4· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes.· Yes. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· We'll
see -- You know, he's ·6· · · · answered the question.· If you feel that you want ·7· · · · to take that question up with the Court, let's mark ·8· · · · this spot on the deposition,
and Mr. O'Boyle can ·9· · · · certainly do that. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Are you instructing him -11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm not instructing the witness 12· · · · not to
answer.· But the witness has said several 13· · · · times that he has answered your question. 14· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 15· · · · Q.· ·Back to Exhibit 5.· You see at the very bottom 16·
·underneath the word studios there is a line.· Do you see 17· ·that? 18· · · · A.· ·Yes, I do. 19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And if we look at Exhibit 4, we see 20· ·under the word studios
there is a line, correct? 21· · · · A.· ·Correct. 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And if we look at Exhibit 4, the 23· ·spacing between the word studios, the bottom word, and 24· ·the line is
greater than in Exhibit 5 between the word 25· ·studios and the line; can we agree with that? Page 60 ·1· · · · A.· ·Yes.· But I think you're talking two different ·2· ·lines. ·3· ·
· · Q.· ·Well, show me how I'm talking about two ·4· ·different lines. ·5· · · · A.· ·This is a faint line. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· And say what exhibit you're ·7· · · · pointing
to. ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Thank you.· On Exhibit 5 there ·9· · · · is a faint, you know, intermittent line.· On 10· · · · Exhibit 4 there is a solid line.· But there is a 11·
· · · difference. 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Right.· And the solid line on Exhibit 4 -- Let 14· ·me say it differently. 15· · · · · · ·The solid line -- Or the line on Exhibit
5 16· ·stops at the word "H" in graphics.· And the solid line 17· ·in Exhibit 4 goes far beyond the word graphics; is that 18· ·correct? 19· · · · A.· ·Correct. 20· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
So that tells you something is 21· ·different, or did you use two different types of 22· ·stationery? 23· · · · A.· ·No. 24· · · · Q.· ·The same? 25· · · · A.· ·It's the same.· Yes.·
It's the response.· This Page 61 ·1· ·line on Exhibit 4 differentiates between the two e-mails ·2· ·being sent. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And this one had an e-mail being sent ·4· ·that
is no longer there, correct? ·5· · · · A.· ·That is my understanding, yes. ·6· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And that line is gone, correct? ·7· · · · A.· ·That's correct. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
Can you think of any way that that line ·9· ·left the paper? 10· · · · A.· ·I would be speculating. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If we took a piece of paper, and I'm 12· ·putting on Exhibit
5 on the thin line underneath studios 13· ·that goes to the "H" in graphics, if we put a piece of 14· ·paper there to hide the rest of the e-mail and then 15· ·copied it, might it show
up something like Exhibit 5 16· ·with a thin line instead of a thick line, with a short 17· ·line instead of a long line, with a crooked line instead 18· ·of the straight line, with
a greater distance between 19· ·studios in the line? 20· · · · A.· ·Possibly. 21· · · · Q.· ·Just possibly? 22· · · · A.· ·You could also cut it.· You could -23· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· I
agree with you, we can cut it.· And I 24· ·think they all fit within the word altered.· And I thank 25· ·you very much for that. Page 62 ·1· · · · · · ·Back to where we were.· The process
there ·2· ·would be a request to you from Mr. Thrasher usually by ·3· ·phone.· He would send you the application and the plans ·4· ·sometimes electronically, sometimes in paper.· You
would ·5· ·begin the review.· You would review the materials ·6· ·provided, which would include development plans, the ·7· ·application, letters of available municipal services. ·8·
· · · · · ·Are the letters of available municipal ·9· ·services, are they a requirement? 10· · · · A.· ·They're a requirement to address concurrency 11· ·standards. 12· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
And you will have to educate me, 13· ·because I don't know what that means. 14· · · · A.· ·Before additional units can be developed, the 15· ·applicant has to provide evidence that
there is 16· ·sufficient municipal services:· Water, sewer, traffic, 17· ·garbage, generally all municipal services.· That there 18· ·is sufficient capacity to serve these new homes.
19· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So that is a condition precedent? 20· · · · A.· ·You have to educate me on that. 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to form.· To what? 22· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 23·
· · · Q.· ·Meaning those letters of available municipal 24· ·services, they're a must have? 25· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· For what?· Excuse me.· Object Page 63 ·1· · · · to the form
of the question. ·2· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· For development applications ·3· · · · that provide additional dwelling units. ·4· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So now we are
reviewing the materials ·6· ·provided, which are the development plans, the ·7· ·applications and the letters. ·8· · · · · · ·What else are you reviewing? ·9· · · · A.· ·I'm also reviewing
the Town's code of 10· ·ordinances, the zoning map, comprehensive plan and 11· ·future land use map. 12· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You're going a little too fast for me. 13· ·Town code. 14·
· · · A.· ·Okay. 15· · · · Q.· ·Can you -16· · · · A.· ·Town code.· The zoning map.· The comprehensive 17· ·plan, and the future land use map. 18· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And I'm assuming,
correct me if I'm 19· ·wrong, that the town code, the zoning map, the 20· ·comprehensive plan and the future land use plan - if I 21· ·said them right, if I got them wrong, please excuse
me 22· ·but that they are documents that would not be sent to 23· ·you because you have them in your office; is that 24· ·correct? 25· · · · A.· ·That's correct. Page 64 ·1· · · · Q.·
·All right.· Okay.· So now that would complete ·2· ·your review, those items, correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·Unless there was insufficient information ·4· ·provided by the applicant to make
the -- to complete my ·5· ·review, and then I would request that additional ·6· ·information. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So I'm going to write additional ·8· ·information where initial submission
deficient; fair ·9· ·enough? 10· · · · A.· ·Yes. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So now we have gone through this 12· ·extensive review.· Then what happens? 13· · · · A.· ·Then I would write
a report to Mr. Thrasher 14· ·outlining the request and any issues that may have 15· ·arisen from the request. 16· · · · Q.· ·Just to digress for a moment.· We'll get back 17· ·to that.·
I'll continue to look while we are talking. 18· · · · · · ·Mr. Randolph is your attorney? 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No.· I'm the Town's attorney. 20· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· He's
the Town's attorney. 21· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · · Q.· ·He's not representing you here today? 23· · · · A.· ·No.· He's representing the Town. 24· · · · Q.· ·Have you had any discussions
with 25· ·Mr. Randolph? Page 65 ·1· · · · A.· ·We had, yes, a discussion regarding the ·2· ·format.· This is my first deposition.· He instructed me ·3· ·on what to expect. ·4· · · ·
Q.· ·Uh-huh.· And tell me what he expected you to ·5· ·expect? ·6· · · · A.· ·To answer the questions.· To tell the truth. ·7· ·To respond to only the questions asked. ·8· · · · Q.·
·Uh-huh. ·9· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 6 & 7 were marked 10· ·for identification.) 11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Could we identify what's been 12· · · · marked? 13· ·
· · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes.· This is Plaintiff's 14· · · · Exhibit 7. 15· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· This being an e-mail from John 16· · · · Randolph to Martin O'Boyle dated May 15th
at 3:45 17· · · · p.m. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, have you ever seen Exhibit 7? 20· · · · A.· ·I'm not sure I had.· I'm not sure I had. 21· · · · Q.· ·Could you
read into the record just the first 22· ·e-mail? 23· · · · A.· ·This is from John C. Randolph to Marty 24· ·O'Boyle.· Subject:· O'Boyle versus Town of Gulf Stream 25· ·and the case
number. Page 66 ·1· · · · · · ·"I do not represent Martin Minor and cannot ·2· ·except service for him.· As far as I know he is ·3· ·available on June 5th at 9:00 a.m. for deposition
at ·4· ·Town hall.· I will work on getting dates for Rita and ·5· ·Bill.· I can accept service for both of them once we ·6· ·establish a date." ·7· · · · Q.· ·Did you speak to Mr. Randolph
before that ·8· ·e-mail? ·9· · · · A.· ·He called to tell me that he could not 10· ·represent me because he was representing the Town. 11· · · · Q.· ·There must have been a miracle
since then, 12· ·huh? 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· That's 14· · · · obviously not a question. 15· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · · Q.· ·What happened since then?· He
couldn't 17· ·represent you on May 15th, and on June 4th what 18· ·revelation occurred that he could represent you? 19· · · · A.· ·He's representing the Town now.· What -20· · · · Q.·
·Are you an officer of the Town? 21· · · · A.· ·I am a consultant to the Town. 22· · · · Q.· ·So you don't work for the Town in any respect? 23· · · · A.· ·I am a contract employee
I guess you could 24· ·call it. 25· · · · Q.· ·Well, I don't think you'd want to call it a Page 67 ·1· ·contract employee. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the ·3·
· · · question. ·4· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I am a consultant of the Town. ·5· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·6· · · · Q.· ·So would it be fair to say in your opinion ·7· ·that anyone who consults
with the Town gets free legal ·8· ·advice and free legal representation? ·9· · · · A.· ·No.· I believe regarding -- No. 10· · · · Q.· ·Well, what makes you different? 11· · · · · ·
·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form.· There is 12· · · · nothing in the record that says anything different. 13· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 14· · · · Q.· ·You may answer? 15· · · · A.· ·What makes
me different?· No, nothing. 16· · · · Q.· ·So if the others are not entitled to free 17· ·legal advice or free legal representation and there is 18· ·nothing different between you and
them, what makes you 19· ·entitled to free legal advice and free legal 20· ·representation? 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 22· · · · question.· It's based on
testimony that's not in 23· · · · evidence.· He's advised you that I do not represent 24· · · · him.· Why don't you explain to him the nature of 25· · · · your question? Page 68 ·1·
· · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I think he understands my ·2· · · · question. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Well, he's already told you ·4· · · · he's not represented by me, and he's not getting
·5· · · · free legal advice by me. ·6· · · · · · ·I'm continuing to object to the form of the ·7· · · · question. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Are you paying for Mr. Randolph?
10· · · · A.· ·No. 11· · · · Q.· ·Is your company paying for Mr. Randolph? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·If you don't pay for services, doesn't that 14· ·mean they're free? 15·
· · · A.· ·If -- Yes.· Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·So you're getting free legal representation 17· ·here today? 18· · · · A.· ·No.· I'm not being represented by 19· ·Mr. Randolph. 20· · · ·
Q.· ·You're not? 21· · · · A.· ·No.· He is representing the Town. 22· · · · Q.· ·Let me show you Exhibit 6 and ask you to read 23· ·it into the record. 24· · · · A.· ·"Dear Mr. O'Boyle,
I believe I advised --" 25· · · · · · ·This is from Mr. Randolph to Marty O'Boyle: Page 69 ·1· ·Dear Mr. O'Boyle, I believe I advised you previously ·2· ·that I do not represent Mr.
Marty Minor individually.· I ·3· ·have since spoken to Mr. Minor and he has advised me ·4· ·that he does not plan to have his own attorney attending ·5· ·the deposition.· Therefore,
I will be representing ·6· ·Mr. Minor at the deposition in his position as a ·7· ·consultant to the Town. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So back to my question.· Do the ·9· ·consultants of the
Town to your knowledge, are they 10· ·entitled to free legal advice and free legal 11· ·representation? 12· · · · A.· ·I do not know the policy of the Town. 13· · · · Q.· ·Does your
firm have a contract with the Town? 14· · · · A.· ·We have a contract with the Town. 15· · · · Q.· ·Does the contract to your knowledge provide 16· ·for free legal advice or free legal
representation for 17· ·your company or any of its employees? 18· · · · A.· ·Not that I am aware of. 19· · · · Q.· ·Then why are you getting free legal advice and 20· ·free legal consultation
here today? 21· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to state 22· · · · my previous objection in regard to how this is 23· · · · calculated to lead to admissible evidence
in this 24· · · · case. 25 Page 70 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. ·3· · · · A.· ·Mr. O'Boyle, I've come to this deposition ·4· ·willing to answer questions.· I
don't know how to answer ·5· ·your question.· I'm sorry. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Well, can you read it ·7· · · · back?· Maybe I can think of a different way to ·8· · · ·
phrase it. ·9· · · · · · ·Or maybe if perhaps you listen a little 10· · · · closer, you can maybe -- we can get through it. 11· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 12·
· · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I'm going to state my objection 13· · · · again that your question is not based upon evidence 14· · · · in the record.· He has not stated that he is 15· · ·
· getting free legal advice in regard to this 16· · · · deposition today. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 18· · · · Q.· ·You may answer. 19· · · · A.· ·I represent the Town on those issues that
I've 20· ·asked to be looked into.· For this issue, Mr. Randolph 21· ·is here.· I don't know the policy.· I don't know why 22· ·services are provided.· I'm not a legal person.· I'm
in 23· ·the planning business. 24· · · · Q.· ·But you can agree with me on May 15th, on or 25· ·before that date, he spoke to you and he agreed that he Page 71 ·1· ·could not represent
you?· Exhibit 7. ·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And you also agree with me that on ·4· ·June 4th there was some revelation that occurred, where ·5· ·Mr. Randolph did a 180-degree
turn? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the ·7· · · · question. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Can we agree to that? 10· · · · A.· ·Well, you have the two exhibits
in that he 11· ·will be representing myself in his position, you know, 12· ·as a consultant to the Town. 13· · · · Q.· ·What's the difference between a position of a 14· ·consultant
of the Town, and Marty Minor the good looking 15· ·individual that you are? 16· · · · A.· ·One is a job, and one is my person. 17· · · · Q.· ·What is the difference?· Isn't your knowledge
18· ·identical? 19· · · · A.· ·Yeah.· A consultant is part of my being, part 20· ·of my job. 21· · · · Q.· ·Right.· So the answer whether Mr. Randolph was 22· ·representing you or not
would be identically the same; 23· ·can we agree to that? 24· · · · A.· ·The question -- Say that again? 25· · · · Q.· ·The answers to the questions if Mr. Randolph Page 72 ·1· ·were
not representing you -·2· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · Q.· ·-- would be identically the same? ·4· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·5· · · · Q.· ·-- whether -- Okay. ·6· · · · A.· ·Whether it was just
you and I and the court ·7· ·reporter. ·8· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So we can agree to that? ·9· · · · A.· ·We can agree to that. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· And to the best of your knowledge, the
11· ·consultation agreement that your company has with the 12· ·Town of Gulf Stream does not permit or does not -13· ·excuse me, does not provide for legal fees to be paid 14· ·for
the company or for its employees in connection with 15· ·Gulf Stream activities? 16· · · · A.· ·Yeah, not to my knowledge. 17· · · · Q.· ·Not to your knowledge.· Okay.· That's fair
18· ·enough. 19· · · · · · ·One question that I'm just curious about. 20· ·Conflicts of interest come up more often than we wish 21· ·for them to come up. 22· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. 23·
· · · Q.· ·If a conflict of interest currently exists or 24· ·you learn to be currently existing or exists in the near 25· ·future, how would that be if Mr. Randolph represents Page
73 ·1· ·both of you? ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· I'm going to object ·3· · · · to the question on the basis that I do not believe ·4· · · · it is reasonably calculated
to lead to admissible ·5· · · · evidence in this case.· And I would like to ask you ·6· · · · to give an explanation as to how it leads to ·7· · · · admissible evidence in this case,
Mr. Minor. ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· O'Boyle. ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Excuse me.· Mr. O'Boyle. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Right.· I heard you. 11· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 12· ·
· · Q.· ·You may answer the question. 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You heard me, but you're 14· · · · ignoring me.· And you're continuing to ignore me by 15· · · · not answering those
questions. 16· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Well, that's what you say. 17· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's what I say, and I'm 18· · · · entitled to an answer to all of these questions
19· · · · other than that it will appear clear at a later 20· · · · time. 21· · · · · · ·If you were in front of a Court, as I believe 22· · · · this is going to end up, because if
this continues 23· · · · I'm going to ask for a protective order, if this 24· · · · kind of thing continues, you're going to have to 25· · · · explain to a Court how this is reasonably
Page 74 ·1· · · · calculated to lead to admissible evidence in this ·2· · · · case. ·3· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· If you'd like, we can get the ·4· · · · judge on the phone now. ·5·
· · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· No, we can't.· The judge will ·6· · · · not get on the phone with us in the middle of a ·7· · · · deposition. ·8· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· You
may answer. 10· · · · A.· ·Once again -- What was the question? 11· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Once again, it is speculation. 13·
· · · I can't speak for Mr. Randolph.· I can only speak 14· · · · for myself. 15· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 16· · · · Q.· ·Would you -- And I understand you can only 17· ·speak for yourself,
and I appreciate that. 18· · · · · · ·If Mr. Randolph were representing the Town, 19· ·would you want him to represent you too? 20· · · · A.· ·In what, this matter or any matter? 21·
· · · Q.· ·In matter of conflict. 22· · · · A.· ·Or which -23· · · · Q.· ·A matter of conflict. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I'm going to continue my 25· · · · objection previously
stated. Page 75 ·1· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah.· I'm not sure what ·2· · · · conflict are you talking about. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·Neither am I.· A conflict in the
future. ·5· ·Conflicts happen all the time; you'd agree with that. ·6· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Let me repeat two of the things ·7· · · · that Mr. O'Boyle said at the beginning of
this ·8· · · · deposition.· He asked you not to speculate and to ·9· · · · state you did not know if you do not know.· Just a 10· · · · reminder to you. 11· · · · · · ·I believe you
are being badgered.· And I'd 12· · · · like you to just if you feel you don't know the 13· · · · answer to the question, say you don't know.· If you 14· · · · feel you're having to
speculate, say I can't 15· · · · speculate. 16· · · · · · ·And I am just stating that as attorney for the 17· · · · Town, not as your lawyer. 18· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 19· · · · Q.· ·When
you arrived, Mr. Minor, you provided me a 20· ·coversheet with the words 3211 North Ocean Boulevard 21· ·Subpoena Documents.· Can you just go through these and 22· ·make sure that that's
what you submitted? 23· · · · A.· ·Unless -- Yes.· Unless a document has been 24· ·removed during this deposition, this is the packet I 25· ·gave you, and these are the documents I
have in my file Page 76 ·1· ·regarding this piece of property. ·2· · · · Q.· ·But you can't identify a document that's been ·3· ·removed, can you? ·4· · · · A.· ·No. ·5· · · · · · ·MR.
O'BOYLE:· Okay.· I'm going to ask the ·6· · · · court reporter if she doesn't mind to mark them ·7· · · · all. ·8· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 8-A through 8-J ·9· ·were
marked for identification.) 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, how did you get here today? 12· · · · A.· ·Drove my car. 13· · · · Q.· ·It's a good way to get here. 14· ·
· · A.· ·Almost the only way. 15· · · · Q.· ·When did Mr. Randolph start representing you? 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Object to the form of the 17· · · · question.· It's based on
evidence that's not in 18· · · · testimony.· He has stated that I do not represent 19· · · · him.· I have stated I do not represent him. 20· · · · · · ·Mr. O'Boyle, I wrote you that
letter yesterday 21· · · · to advise you that he did not have his own 22· · · · representation because he told me his lawyer was 23· · · · not coming.· So I wanted to advise you that
he was 24· · · · not -- although I don't represent him individually, 25· · · · that he's not going to have a lawyer present. Page 77 ·1· · · · · · ·And I'm here representing the Town
and I did ·2· · · · state him as a consultant of the Town. ·3· · · · · · ·I have stated to you today that I do not ·4· · · · represent him in any fashion. ·5· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
Are you saying you don't ·6· · · · represent him as a consultant to the Town? ·7· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· I am stating that I don't ·8· · · · represent him in any way in regard to
this ·9· · · · deposition.· I represent the Town only. 10· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· So that's contrary to your -11· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· That's contrary to the last 12· · · · sentence
in my letter that I gave to you. 13· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· Well, I guess we have to 14· · · · look at multiple choice to try to get the right 15· · · · answer. 16· · · · ·
· ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You can do whatever you want, 17· · · · Mr. O'Boyle. 18· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Thank you. 19· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Yeah. 20· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · · Q.·
·Okay.· Mr. Randolph doesn't represent you? 22· · · · A.· ·No. 23· · · · Q.· ·Has he consulted with you? 24· · · · A.· ·What do you mean consulted? 25· · · · Q.· ·You consult with Mr.
Thrasher all the time, Page 78 ·1· ·same thing. ·2· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· You already asked -·3· · · · Consulted -- Excuse me.· Objection. ·4· · · · · · ·You mean consulted prior
to this deposition in ·5· · · · regard to the deposition? ·6· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I mean consulted prior to this ·7· · · · deposition, period. ·8· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· On what
topic?· We've talked ·9· · · · about the development issues. 10· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 11· · · · Q.· ·Except in the scheme of the official business 12· ·of the Town of Gulf Stream during
the hearings and so 13· ·forth, yeah.· In connection with this -- Let's say in 14· ·connection with this litigation or in connection with 15· ·this lawsuit. 16· · · · A.· ·Like I said
previously, to inform me about 17· ·this process and what to expect. 18· · · · Q.· ·And to tell you to tell the truth? 19· · · · A.· ·Tell the truth.· Don't speculate. 20· · · · Q.·
·Don't speculate. 21· · · · A.· ·Answer what you know. 22· · · · Q.· ·And would you categorize those items as 23· ·advice? 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· And because
Mr. Randolph is not Page 79 ·1· ·representing you, I assume that neither you nor your ·2· ·firm are paying he or his firm; would that be correct? ·3· · · · A.· ·That is correct. ·4·
· · · Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you.· We have these documents. ·5· ·Exhibit 8-A is a coversheet that you provided me along ·6· ·with the documents which the court reporter has marked ·7· ·8-B
through 8-H. ·8· · · · A.· ·Uh-huh. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Paragraph 8-B -- Or I'm sorry, Document 10· ·8-B in your opinion is that responsive to a request for 11· ·any reports or writings
authored by Martin Minor or 12· ·William Thrasher in regard to Application Number 1 on 13· ·the agenda of the Town Commission Meeting dated 14· ·April 12, 2013 for the premises known
as 3211 North 15· ·Ocean Boulevard, Gulf Stream, Florida? 16· · · · A.· ·This is -- this is provided in response to 17· ·your subpoena. 18· · · · Q.· ·I understand that, but that's
not my question. 19· · · · A.· ·Okay. 20· · · · Q.· ·Excuse me one second.· Can you just leave that 21· ·stuff out for a moment? 22· · · · A.· ·Why? 23· · · · Q.· ·Because I want you
to. 24· · · · A.· ·Why? 25· · · · Q.· ·Because I want you to. Page 80 ·1· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· He was looking for something. ·2· · · · He's not referring to that in regard to his
·3· · · · deposition. ·4· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· I understand. ·5· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I was looking for something. ·6· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·7· · · · Q.· ·Anyway, do you recall
my question? ·8· · · · A.· ·That is -- No.· Please? ·9· · · · · · ·(The question was read by the reporter.) 10· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yes.· This is a document that 11· · · · was
-12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Yes is sufficient.· You can move on if you'd 14· ·like. 15· · · · A.· ·Well, I would like to complete my answer. 16· · · · Q.· ·Go ahead. 17· ·
· · A.· ·There is a document Bill Thrasher wrote to me 18· ·asking me to review an e-mail from Benjamin Sheer 19· ·(phonetic) -- Schreier I believe. 20· · · · Q.· ·And again, just to
be clear, that this is a 21· ·writing authored by either you or Mr. Thrasher in regard 22· ·to the premises known as 3211 North Ocean Boulevard, 23· ·Gulf Stream, Florida? 24· · · ·
A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you.· I'm going to show you Page 81 ·1· ·document 8-C, and I'm going to ask you the identical ·2· ·question if you can remember it. ·3· · · · A.·
·Yes.· This is some of my writings regarding ·4· ·this issue. ·5· · · · Q.· ·So would that be a yes? ·6· · · · A.· ·Yes. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Thank you.· I'm going to now give you 8-D and
·8· ·I'm going to ask you the same question. ·9· · · · A.· ·Yes. 10· · · · Q.· ·Yes? 11· · · · A.· ·Yes. 12· · · · Q.· ·I'm going to now give you 8-E and ask you the 13· ·same question.
14· · · · A.· ·Yes. 15· · · · Q.· ·I'm going to now give you 8-F and ask you the 16· ·same question. 17· · · · A.· ·Yes. 18· · · · Q.· ·I'm going to now give you 8-G and ask you the
19· ·same question. 20· · · · A.· ·Yes. 21· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to give you 8-H and ask you the 22· ·same question. 23· · · · A.· ·Actually, this is an e-mail from Benjamin 24·
·Schreier.· It was just in my file. 25· · · · Q.· ·Look at the next one down. Page 82 ·1· · · · A.· ·The next one down is an e-mail from Bill ·2· ·Thrasher.· I don't know if that's
been covered before. ·3· · · · Q.· ·This says:· Provide a copy of all writings ·4· ·authorized by Martin Minor or William Thrasher. ·5· · · · A.· ·Then it's a copy of the earlier e-mail
in 8-G. ·6· · · · Q.· ·But, nonetheless, it's still the answer is ·7· ·yes? ·8· · · · A.· ·Correct. ·9· · · · Q.· ·Next I have -10· · · · · · ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Numbers 8-K and 8-L
were 11· ·marked for identification.) 12· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 13· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm now going to give you what has 14· ·been marked as 8-I and ask you the same question.· If 15·
·you'd like me to read it again I will. 16· · · · A.· ·No.· Yes. 17· · · · Q.· ·I'm now going to give you a document entitled 18· ·8-J same thing. 19· · · · A.· ·Yes. 20· · · · Q.·
·I am now going to give you a document entitled 21· ·8-K and ask you if the answer there is yes? 22· · · · A.· ·8-K? 23· · · · Q.· ·Yes. 24· · · · A.· ·Yes. 25· · · · Q.· ·And I'm now
going to give you a document that Page 83 ·1· ·has been marked 8-L, and I am not sure if it is part of ·2· ·the other ones. ·3· · · · A.· ·This was an attachment to Exhibit 8-J. ·4·
· · · Q.· ·8-L was 8-J? ·5· · · · A.· ·No.· It was 8-I. ·6· · · · Q.· ·So Exhibit 8-L was an attachment to -·7· · · · A.· ·Actually, it probably wasn't even attached. ·8· ·That was
an internal document to confirm the area of ·9· ·windows.· It was a request that was made to me to 10· ·confirm the area of windows on that elevation. 11· · · · Q.· ·Rather than going
back through all the 12· ·documents, if there is a reference to an elevation and 13· ·windows, can we assume that this is part of it? 14· · · · A.· ·That's it, correct. 15· · · · Q.·
·Thank you. 16· · · · · · ·Now, I want to go back if we could to the 17· ·process.· And in the process was Mr. Thrasher would make 18· ·a request to Mr. Minor, usually by phone.· He
would send 19· ·an application and plans to Mr. Minor sometimes 20· ·electronically, and sometimes in paper.· And Mr. Minor 21· ·would begin his review. 22· · · · · · ·So let me just
stop there for the moment and 23· ·ask where is the application and where are the plans? 24· · · · A.· ·For? 25· · · · Q.· ·This property. Page 84 ·1· · · · A.· ·For this property?
·2· · · · Q.· ·Yes. ·3· · · · A.· ·I was not asked to do a full review of this ·4· ·property. ·5· · · · Q.· ·Okay. ·6· · · · A.· ·So I received this elevation when the question ·7·
·was -- arise that Mr. Thrasher asked me to take a look ·8· ·at this evaluation to confirm the window covering size. ·9· ·And I believe Mr. Schreier sent me a CAD drawing of that 10·
·evaluation so we could do it on our computers. 11· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· So you never saw the application here? 12· · · · A.· ·No. 13· · · · Q.· ·And it was never sent to you? 14· · ·
· A.· ·No.· There were specific issues outlined in 15· ·these regarding -- but not the full application. 16· · · · Q.· ·Did you ever prepare a report? 17· · · · A.· ·No. 18· · · · ·
· ·(Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 9 was marked for 19· ·identification.) 20· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 21· · · · Q.· ·Mr. Minor, I'm going to show you what has been 22· ·marked Plaintiff's Exhibit
9 and ask you if you have 23· ·ever seen that. 24· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· May I see it? 25· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes. Page 85 ·1· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No.· The first time
I'm seeing ·2· · · · it. ·3· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·4· · · · Q.· ·First time you've seen it? ·5· · · · A.· ·First time. ·6· · · · Q.· ·What was your role in connection with this ·7· ·project?·
And I ask in this context, I seem to remember ·8· ·you speaking on this project. ·9· · · · A.· ·Probably, yes. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If you had no documents and saw 11· ·nothing, how
did you do that? 12· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection on the basis that 13· · · · this is not reasonably calculated to lead to 14· · · · admissible evidence in this public records
case. 15· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· I don't recall what the question 16· · · · was.· I'm sure I was responding to a question. 17· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 18· · · · Q.· ·You're saying my question
or the question from 19· ·the -20· · · · A.· ·From the commission. 21· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· If the minutes reflected a report, is 22· ·that possible? 23· · · · A.· ·I don't know.· I haven't
-- I came here 24· ·prepared to talk about your complaint. 25· · · · Q.· ·That would be part of my complaint.· My Page 86 ·1· ·complaint is where are the documents.· And a report is
·2· ·certainly one of the documents. ·3· · · · A.· ·Yes.· I did not prepare a report. ·4· · · · Q.· ·Besides the e-mails that you have referred -·5· ·that you were kind enough to bring
here, and I thank ·6· ·you, was there any other documents besides the e-mail ·7· ·that you and I spent so much time with that was as I ·8· ·would say altered? ·9· · · · A.· ·Is there
anything else other than the e-mails 10· ·I provided? 11· · · · Q.· ·Yeah.· In other words, is this the whole kit 12· ·and caboodle? 13· · · · A.· ·That is the whole kit and caboodle.·
That is 14· ·everything in my file. 15· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· Just bear with me.· If I can, I'm going 16· ·to have to take just a quick... 17· · · · · · ·How did you know the color of the
roof? 18· · · · A.· ·That was some telephone conversations I had 19· ·with Mr. Thrasher and with Mr. Schreier. 20· · · · Q.· ·Here is the e-mail which says:· We can confirm 21· ·that
the rear elevation conforms with the Town's 22· ·regulations regarding the amount of windows, which make 23· ·up approximately 48 percent of the wall elevation. 24· · · · · · ·And then
below that from Benjamin Schreier is 25· ·he says:· Per request, attached is the east elevation of Page 87 ·1· ·3211.· If additional files are needed.... ·2· · · · · · ·Would that be
-·3· · · · A.· ·That is part of what he sent.· And then we -·4· ·we -- Yeah.· Let me see. ·5· · · · · · ·No, that's right.· This is what was sent.· And ·6· ·we confirmed it on the computer
through our programs. ·7· · · · Q.· ·So when we look at this it says, "Attached is ·8· ·the East Elevation of 3211 North Ocean Boulevard in ·9· ·CAD." 10· · · · · · ·Now, do we have
CAD drawings on here? 11· · · · A.· ·I don't think so.· I don't know if I still 12· ·have those CAD drawings. 13· · · · Q.· ·Well, it's only been a couple months ago, 14· ·right? 15·
· · · A.· ·We get a lot of plans in our office. 16· · · · Q.· ·I appreciate that.· But usually you don't get 17· ·rid of them until the project is done. 18· · · · · · ·But, anyway,
you say here that:· Attached is 19· ·the east elevation in CAD. 20· · · · · · ·And then we go on and it says from Thrasher, 21· ·"Ben, it is a variance application on the roof color.
22· ·And we need CAD drawings.· See Marty's e-mail concerning 23· ·CAD drawings." 24· · · · · · ·And then underneath that it says, "Yes, it 25· ·would require a variance.· For the rear
elevation," Page 88 ·1· ·which is different than the east elevation, "it ·2· ·certainly looks close.· We would need to have a CAD ·3· ·drawing of the elevation to truly confirm.· It
looks ·4· ·like they are including area above the 'bottom of the ·5· ·eave' limit for the wall area calculations." ·6· · · · · · ·Then it says, "Would the application be a ·7· ·variance?·
It seems that the code allows the ARPB and ·8· ·Commission to review 'grey types'," this is from ·9· ·Mr. Thrasher to you, Mr. Minor, "but not terra cotta. 10· ·If you agree, it seems
it would be a variance 11· ·application as something prohibited.· Also, I want you 12· ·to calculate window pane coverage on the rear.· To our 13· ·eye, it seems over the limit." 14·
· · · · · ·From Minor to Thrasher:· Sorry for the delay 15· ·in responding....· Section 70-238 allows for Benjamin to 16· ·request for terra cotta colored slate-like tile.· The 17·
·Town Commission will have to consider the colored tile 18· ·and so forth.· I think Ben would need to make a stronger 19· ·case that Georgian homes with a terra cotta roof is 20· ·appropriate....·
Just my thoughts. 21· · · · · · ·And then Bill Thrasher again, "Please evaluate 22· ·and give me your ideas." 23· · · · · · ·And then this is the architect again, and he 24· ·talks
about the architecture and so forth. 25· · · · · · ·So the architect is talking about the Page 89 ·1· ·architecture.· And what I don't understand is how is he ·2· ·talking about the
architecture when you can't see the ·3· ·architecture? ·4· · · · A.· ·We had a phone -- I had several phone ·5· ·discussions with Mr. Schreier regarding the -- also he ·6· ·sent some
pictures regarding a terra cotta tile. ·7· · · · Q.· ·Are the pictures on this disk? ·8· · · · A.· ·The pictures are in the e-mails, which are on ·9· ·that disk. 10· · · · Q.· ·Okay.·
Good.· Okay. 11· · · · A.· ·So that's -- We were just talking about the 12· ·colors. 13· · · · Q.· ·Okay.· But we're also talking about -- Here in 14· ·this long e-mail, we're talking
about the structure, the 15· ·Spanish Mediterranean, the roof terra cotta, the windows 16· ·in the east elevation, the grey through-and-through tile 17· ·or slate. 18· · · · · · ·I'm
not reading all of this.· Just sort of 19· ·glancing through it. 20· · · · · · ·But you don't recall seeing -- And I just say 21· ·this being a developer myself, I don't know how you
22· ·could evaluate a plan without seeing a plan.· And today 23· ·they're so easily transmitted.· I mean years ago you 24· ·would have to Federal Express it, you'd have to put it 25·
·in tubes, have it printed and so forth.· Where now you Page 90 ·1· ·could e-mail it, it's there in ten minutes.· And it ·2· ·would seem to me that it would have been sent to you. ·3·
·But you're saying it was not? ·4· · · · A.· ·Well, I think it had to be.· I just don't have ·5· ·it.· I don't know where -- But at the time, you know, ·6· ·from looking at that elevation
knew that it was close. ·7· ·And that's what we needed to look at.· And I know -·8· · · · Q.· ·And I understand, and I appreciate it.· And ·9· ·also it appears in these e-mails that
you and 10· ·Mr. Thrasher and Mr. Benjamin Schreier, were sort of 11· ·having a three-way -12· · · · A.· ·At times. 13· · · · Q.· ·-- discussion.· And I'm assuming that -14· ·Schreier,
is he the architect? 15· · · · A.· ·Yes. 16· · · · Q.· ·He had the plans.· I'd have to think that, 17· ·you're a pro, that you had the plans, and for 18· ·Mr. Thrasher to be involved,
he had to have the plans, 19· ·particularly if the application came in; would that be 20· ·fair to say? 21· · · · A.· ·I would assume. 22· · · · Q.· ·Okay. 23· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:·
Off the record.· There are some 24· · · · pretty neat pictures. 25 Page 91 ·1· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: ·2· · · · Q.· ·Just out of curiosity, I'm looking at an ·3· ·e-mail that you sent to
Mr. Thrasher April 17, 2013 at ·4· ·9:33 a.m.· And you're talking about Section 66-431, ·5· ·which is near and dear to my heart. ·6· · · · · · ·Have there been any changes?· I see you've
·7· ·recommended changes to the code here.· Have there been ·8· ·any changes? ·9· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Objection.· It does not relate 10· · · · to any admissible evidence in this
case. 11· · · · · · ·You can answer. 12· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· Yeah. 13· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Do you have an exhibit number 14· · · · you're referring to there? 15· · · · ·
· ·MR. O'BOYLE:· 8-D. 16· · · · · · ·MR. RANDOLPH:· Thanks. 17· · · · · · ·THE WITNESS:· No. 18· · · · · · ·MR. O'BOYLE:· Okay.· The documents that we 19· · · · gave you as, I guess,
Exhibits 1 through 9, can we 20· · · · give those back to the witness, young lady? 21· ·BY MR. O'BOYLE: 22· · · · Q.· ·And, Mr. Minor, I have one just quick question 23· ·for you, which
you can probably get through in 30 24· ·seconds.· And that is are any of those documents to your 25· ·knowledge not available electronically? Page 92 ·1· ·A.· ·No.· They are all available
electronically. ·2· ·Q.· ·Okay.· Thank you. ·3· · · · THE WITNESS:· I'm trying to organize for you. ·4· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Thank you. ·5· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· He is your employee.·
Okay. ·6· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Done? ·7· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· You're up next, Skip. ·8· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I have no questions. ·9· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· No.· No.· I'm going to depose
10· ·you next. 11· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Go ahead. 12· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Do you want that transcribed, 13· ·Mr. O'Boyle? 14· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Yes. 15· · · · COURT REPORTER:·
Okay.· And copy? 16· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Yes.· How soon can we have 17· ·that? 18· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Do you need it quicker; our 19· ·normal turnaround is seven to ten business
days. 20· ·If you'd like it quicker, there is a rush charge. 21· ·So, let's see, what's seven days? 22· · · · MR. O'BOYLE:· Ten to twelve days would be 23· ·good. 24· · · · COURT REPORTER:·
Okay.· So it would fall on 25· ·the weekend.· Is June 17th fine? Page 93 ·1· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· I would like to pay for a rush ·2· ·charge. ·3· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Okay.· When
would like it by? ·4· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· If you could get it to me -·5· ·What's today, Wednesday? ·6· · · · COURT REPORTER:· Yes. ·7· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Is it unreasonable to ask
for ·8· ·it by Monday? ·9· · · · COURT REPORTER:· No.· That's fine. 10· · · · MR. RANDOLPH:· Is Friday... 11· · · · COURT REPORTER:· No, I will go ahead and get 12· ·it to you by Friday.
13· · · · (Deposition was concluded at 11:55 a.m.) 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 94 ·1· · · · · · · · · · ·CERTIFICATE OF OATH ·2· ·THE STATE OF FLORIDA) ·3· ·COUNTY OF PALM
BEACH) ·4 ·5· · · · · · ·I, the undersigned authority, certify that the ·6· ·witness, MARTY MINOR, personally appeared before me and ·7· ·was duly sworn on Wednesday, the 5th day of
June, 2013. ·8 ·9· · · · · · ·Dated this 6th day of June, 2013. 10 11 12 13 · · · · · · · · · ·_________________________________ 14· · · · · · · · ·KATHLEEN LUSZ, RPR · · · · · · ·
· · ·Notary Public - State of Florida 15· · · · · · · · ·My Commission Expires:· 6/9/16 · · · · · · · · · ·My Commission No.:· EE 201660 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 95 ·1· ·
· · · · · · · · C E R T I F I C A T E ·2· ·THE STATE OF FLORIDA) ·3· ·COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) ·4 ·5· · · · · · ·I, KATHLEEN LUSZ, Registered Professional · · ·Reporter and Notary Public
in and for the State of ·6· ·Florida at large, do hereby certify that I was · · ·authorized to and did report said deposition in ·7· ·stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true
and · · ·correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said ·8· ·deposition. ·9· · · · · · ·I further certify that said deposition was · · ·taken at the time and place hereinabove
set forth and 10· ·that the taking of said deposition was commenced and · · ·completed as hereinabove set out. 11 · · · · · · · ·I further certify that I am not attorney or 12· ·counsel
of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or · · ·employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected 13· ·with the action, nor am I financially interested in the · · ·action. 14
· · · · · · · ·The foregoing certification of this transcript 15· ·does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any · · ·means unless under the direct control and/or direction
16· ·of the certifying reporter. 17· · · · · · ·Dated this 6th day of June, 2013. 18 19 20 21· · · · · · _____________________________________ · · · · · · · KATHLEEN LUSZ, RPR 22 23
24 25 Page 96 ·1· · · · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET ·2 ·3· · · · Our Assignment No.· 377575 ·4· · · · Case Caption:· ·MARTIN E. O'BOYLE ·5· · · · vs.· TOWN OF GULF STREAM ·6
·7· · · · · · ·DECLARATION UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY ·8· · · · · · · ·I, MARTY MINOR, declare under ·9· · · ·penalty of perjury that I have read the entire 10· · · ·transcript of my
deposition taken in the captioned 11· · · ·matter or the same has been read to me, and 12· · · ·the same is true and accurate, save and 13· · · ·except for changes and/or corrections,
if 14· · · ·any, as indicated by me on the DEPOSITION 15· · · ·ERRATA SHEET hereof, with the understanding 16· · · ·that I offer these changes as if still under 17· · · ·oath. 18· ·
· · · · ·Signed on the _____ day of 19· · · ·________________, 20___. 20 21· ·________________________ · · ·MARTY MINOR 22 23 24 25 Page 97 ·1· · · · · · · ·DEPOSITION ERRATA SHEET
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