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RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
AGENDA
CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MONDAY, MARCH 28, 1988, 1:30 P.M.
RIVERSIDE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CENT'E'R
14th Floor Conference Room
4080 Lemon Street, Riverside
1. Ca11 to Order.
2. Approval of Minutes. ACTION
3. Committee ByLaws Amendment. ACTION
4. Unmet Transit Needs - Service Requests. ACTION
5. Transportation Studies - Progress Report. INFORMATION
6. Motorist Aid Callbox System. INFORMATION
7. Other Business.
8. Adjournment.
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RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes of Meeting No. 2-88
February 22, 1988
1. Call to Order.
The meeting of the Citizens Advisory Committee was called to
order by Chairman Terry Allen at 1:37 P.M., at the Riverside
County Administrative Center, 14th Floor Conference Room,
4080 Lemon Street, Riverside, CA 92501.
Self introductions of those present followed.
Present were:
Others
Terry Allen
Ray Baca
Cathy Bechtel
Michael Beggins
Rose Eldridge
Jim Judge
Herb Krauch
present:
Don Kurz
Joanne Moore
Ernest W. Moyles
Lori Nickel
Don Senger
Paul Blackwelder, RCTC Staff
Eileen Brown, DDAPB #12
Naty Kopenhaver, RCTC Staff
Joe Sanford, Caltrans District
Hideo Sugita, RCTC Staff
2. Approval of Minutes.
M/S/C (KRAUCH/JUDGE) to approve the Citizens' Advisory
Committee minutes of the January 25, 1988 meeting as
submitted.
3. Park and Ride Lot Security.
Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director, said that Don Kurz,
at the last meeting, raised a question on what the
Commission/Committee can do with regards to security for
park and ride lots. The Committee requested that this item
be placed on the agenda to review and discuss with Caltrans
what measures are being taken.
Joe Sanford stated that there are approximately 23 park and
ride lots in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties, of which
one-half are on State right-of-way and one-half are on
private properties. He acknowledged that there have been
problems with security at park and ride lots and that
recently, the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department
apprehended four individuals for stealing cars from park and
ride lots. Lots located in the State right-of-way are
patroller by the California Highway Patrol on a periodic
basis. On private properties like the Tyler Mall that has
security guards, the Mall's security guards patrol the lot
and on other private lots, Caltrans request either the
Police Department or the Sheriff's Department to patrol the
lots.
Copies of a pamphlet indicating the locations of park and
ride lots in Riverside and San Bernardino Counties were
distributed to Committee members.
Chairman Allen asked whether security problems have reduced
participation in rideshare programs.
Joe Sanford responded that participation has been declining
in some areas such as Victorville.
Chairman Allen stated that perhaps Caltrans could suggest to
rideshare participants that rather than using late model
vehicles, they should drive an older vehicle, if they have
one, and leave them in the park and ride lots. Also,
perhaps the participants could form a carpool whereby they
could pick up some riders enroute to the park and ride lot
to cut down on the number of vehicles left in the lot.
Joe Sanford informed the Committee of a demonstration
project in San Diego County called air space lease.
Caltrans District 11 is considering having an agency such as
Goodwill station a truck in the lot to serve as a drop off
for donations. One requirement would be that they provide a
person to man the truck at all times. They feel that having
a person stationed at the lot would discourage people from
tampering with the vehicles parked there.
Jim Judge asked if Caltrans would be willing to do an
analysis of park and ride areas, that is to get information
from the Police or Sheriff's Departments to determine which
lots are experiencing vandalism problems and to report back
on what security measurity measures Caltrans may recommend
for the Committee to support and what the cost of the
measures would be.
Rose Eldridge asked if it might be feasible to charge
rideshare participant a small fee to pay personnel to watch
the lot.
Joe Sanford said that this has been discussed in Sacramento
but Caltrans is currently not set up for this type of
operation. In addition, charging a fee would probably
discourage additional participation in carpooling and use of
the lots.
Don Kurz said due to the problems experienced at the Mira
Loma park and ride lot, he suggested that perhaps Caltrans
look into moving the park and ride lot in Mira Loma to the
Space Center. He said that there is a guard at the Space
Center and this should help to eliminate the vandalism of
cars.
After considerable discussion between the Committee members
and Joe Sanford, it was the consensus of the Committee to
request Caltrans staff to prepare a report identifying the
park and ride lots that are experiencing problems, resonable
recommendation to solve the problems and the cost to
implement the recommendations.
4. Short Range Transit Plan.
Paul Blackwelder said that the Commission is scheduled to
receive the draft Short Range Transit Plans from the transit
operators by the end of March. At their meeting in April,
the Committee will review and discuss the draft plans and
form a recommendation to the Commission. The Commission is
scheduled to approve the Short Range Transit Plans at their
meeting in May. He encouraged Committee members to contact
him for information on current transit services and with any
suggestions for needed additional transit services.
5. Unmet Transit Needs Public Hearing - Palm Desert.
Paul Blackwelder informed the Committee that the only issue
raised in the Palm Desert unmet transit needs public hearing
concerns the SunLine Transit Agency's Elderly and
Handicapped Report which included three major actions: 1)
to discontinue a service currently operated by SunLine
carrying developmental disabled clients to and from the
workshops at the Foundation for the Retarded of the Desert;
2) to take the funding for the service to the Foundation and
initiate an elderly/handicapped demand response service in
the La Quinta, Indio and Coachella areas; and, 3) to explore
the concept of a separate Consolidated Transportation
Services Agency (CTSA) to provide service to the Foundation
and other social service programs, apart from SunLine. He
said the SunLine Board is scheduled to take action at their
meeting in March. The Commission is scheduled to take
action on the SunLine proposed service changes at its
meeting in May. RCTC staff is proposing working with
SunLine and the social service agencies to determine when a
reasonable date would be for a CTSA to assume operation of
the service, if a CTSA can be created. SunLine estimated
that a CTSA could be formed and be operational by October,
1988. Time will be needed to work out institutional
mechanisms and implementation, and it is unlikely that it
could occur by May, 1988 as proposed by SunLine; therefore,
staff is proposing that SunLine continue to provide service
to Foundation clients until an alternative is in place. To
help resolve the air-conditioned equipment issue, if SunLine
continues to provide the service, RCTC allocate State
Transit Assistance funds in FY 1986-87 to purchase used air-
conditioned school buses to replace the vehicles used on the
intervalley service. Staff will keep the Committee apprised
on the status of the SunLine intervalley service and
proposed service changes.
6. CAC Bylaws Revision.
Copies of the Citizens Advisory Committee's current bylaws
were distributed to the members.
Paul Blackwelder noted that changes that need to be made
on the bylaws are: 1) under Membership, "The Commission
shall consist of up to 20 members appointed by the
Commission..."; and, 2) under Quorum, "A majority of the
members of the Committee currently appointed by the
Commission shall constitute a quorum...".
Jim Judge suggested that the quorum should be the majority
of the members present with a minimum of 11 or 10 members
being present.
The Committee members expressed their concern about getting
11 members to attend a meeting in order to have a quorum and
also that a provision be included in the bylaws that would
allow only a certain number of unexcused absences for
Committee members as grounds for being dropped from
Committee membership.
It was the consensus of the Committee that staff check with
the County Counsel with regards to the provisions relating
to the quorum and the unexcused absences.
7. Other Business.
A. Don Kurz informed the Committee that while he was in
Sacramento, a meeting was being held on abandoned cars
in street rights -of -way. An action was taken approving
removal of abandoned cars from the railroad right-of-
way. He asked if this matter would be something that
the Committee should be involved in. Paul Blackwelder
said that this would not be an appropriate matter for
the Committee.
B. Paul Blackwelder said that the Commission, at its
February meeting, allocated $15,000 for a joint study
with the Orange County Transporation Commission on
commuter rail service along the Route 91 corridor. The
study should be completed by June, 1988. He added that
there is also a study being done by San Bernardino and
Los Angeles Counties on commuter rail from Riverside to
Los Angeles.
C. Paul Blackwelder stated that with regards to the RTD
subsidy reduction proposal brought to the Committee at
its last meeting, the Commissions of Riverside, Orange,
and San Bernardino have approved the policy on transfer
and fares and the Commissions have requested RTA to
solicit request for proposals for providing the
service. The Los Angeles County Transportation
Commission is expected to take action on this matter at
the March 4th meeting. He expects the service change
to take place in December, 1988.
D. Paul Blackwelder informed the Committee that the
Commission has elected Councilman Don Baskett of Hemet
as its Chairman and Councilman Roy Wilson of Palm
Desert as its Vice Chairman.
8. Adjournment.
M/S/C (SENGER/MOORE) to adjourned the meeting at 2:50
p.m.
Re ctfully submitted,
I
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Assistant Director
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AGENDA ITEM NO. 4
RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director
SUBJECT: Unmet Transit Needs - Service Requests
The Commission, as required under State legislation, held
public hearings during the past two months to determine if there
are unmet transit needs in Riverside County. Prior to allocating
any TDA funds for street and road purposes, the Commission must
determine that there are no unmet transit needs that are
reasonable to meet that will not be met by existing or proposed
services in the Short Range Transit Plan for Riverside County.
The Committee, which is the Social Service Advisory Council for
Riverside County, as stipulated under SB 498, must make
recommendations on whether or not each of the service requests is
reasonable to meet. Attached is a memo which identifies the
service requests received via hearing testimony, letters and
telephone calls received at the Commission offices. Staff is
reviewing the service requests with the appropriate transit
operators and will present recommendations at the meeting. The
Commission is scheduled to take action on unmet transit needs
findings at their meeting on April 6th.
New or expanded service requests that are reasonable to meet will
have to be included in the Short Range Transit Plan for Riverside
County. The Plan, which includes the services of all public
transit operators in Riverside County, will be presented for
approval to the Committee at their next meeting on April 25th.
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RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director
SUBJECT: Unmet Transit Needs
As a result of three public hearings (2/3/88 Palm Desert, 3/2/88
Corona, 3/2/88 Riverside) held by the Commission on unmet transit
needs, written and oral comments were received from approximately
40 individuals. Enclosed is a summary of the hearing testimony,
letters and phone calls received by the Commission. Staff will
report to the Citizens Advisory Committee and request your input
on the staff responses to the public comments at your March 28
meeting.
The comments received varied greatly, ranging from minor schedule
changes to requests for increased dial -a -ride (DAR) and inter-
city fixed route service in the Norco/Corona area. This year, in
response to the SunLine proposal to stop the Inter -Valley service
to the Foundation for the Retarded of the Desert, 16 people
testified in support for its continuation. In addition the
Commission has received 4 letters from people who were not in
attendance at the Palm Desert hearing and support continuation of
the Inter -Valley service.
As happens each year, a number of comments and recommendations
were received regarding schedule adherence and maintenance of
equipment. These types of comments are not proper subjects for
the unmet needs process but many are, nevertheless, legitimate
complaints. The complaints are being referred to the appropriate
transit operator for resolution.
o Provide changes to RTA Line 29 to serve the communities of
Belltown and Paramount Estates and the Memorial Park pool.
o Provide additional stop at the medical offices at Loma Linda
Hospital. (RTA Line 25)
o Change the E&H DAR to a general public DAR in the City of
Riverside.
o Concern was expressed about the possibility of losing
Southern California Rapid Transit District inter -county
service to Orange and Los Angeles. (This concern is related
to the Commission/RTA investigating potential cost savings
by contracting out the inter -county services (Lines
149,496).
o Provide for service to Ontario Airport via Van Buren or
Hamner.
o Provide for earlier RTA service from Mead Valley Center to
Riverside. (RTA Line 22)
o Provide for earlier and more frequent RTA service from
Perris to Lake Elsinore. (RTA line 24)
o Provide improved transfer coordination between RTA Line 2
(Downtown - Tyler Mall) and Line 24 (Tyler Mall - Perris) at
the Tyler Mall.
o Implement local bus service within Rancho California and
inter -city bus service from Rancho California to Norco,
Corona and Riverside.
o Provide accessible service on SCRTD Line 149 between
Riverside and Long Beach.
o Provide additional Dial -a -Ride vehicles in the City of
Riverside on Sundays.
o Provide additional Dial -A -Ride vehicles and drivers in
Norco.
o Provide extension of Corona DAR service two blocks into the
El Cerrito area for children's safety.
o Reroute SunLine Line 2 to serve the westerly portion of
Terrace Road in Cathedral City.
o Provide service to the recently relocated Social Security
office in Palm Springs. The new address is 275 N. El Cielo,
Palm Springs, CA 92262.
MEMORANDUM (Attachment #1)
March 28, 1988
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Staff
SUBJECT: Unmet Needs Comments Desert Area - Hearing 2/3/88
The hearing was held at the Palm Desert Council chambers on
February 3, 1988. There were 16 people who presented testimony at
the hearing. Without exception, the testimony centered upon the
support of the public for the continued operation of the SunLine
Inter -Valley service. The people who testified had no complaints
about the Inter -Valley service and the only other comments were
from Inland Regional Center social workers who stated that there
are 14 clients who are without transportation to the Foundation
for the Retarded. Currently, the Inland Regional Center provides
private, contracted transportation service to these clients.
However, because the IRC's Board policy states that they will
utilize public transit, where available, as their first choice
for provision of service to their clients, they are entering into
the public record, requests for additional SunLine Inter -Valley
service to Mecca and Thermal, and in addition they would like
some of their clients within the Coachella Valley who are not
currently served by SunLine to be picked up on the Inter -Valley
service.
The following people submitted written comments supporting the
continuance of the SunLine Inter -Valley service to the Foundation
for the Retarded.
1) Esther M. Shaw, 32815 St. Andrews, Thousand Palms, CA 92276
2) Shirley M. Johnson, 45800 Apache, Indian Wells, CA 92210
3) E.A. Thompson, 66231 Desert View, Desert Hot Springs, CA
92240
4) Marianne L. Hines, 77-400 Missouri Drive, Palm Desert, CA
92260
OTHER WRITTEN COMMENTS
1) Naomi Martin, 38365 Starlight Lane, Cathedral City, CA 92234
Would like fixed route service on Terrace Road going west to
the mountains. This would require a re-route of SunLine
route 2 to serve the westerly portion of Terrace Road in
Cathedral City.
(Attachment #1 pg.2)
2) Corrinne F. Jewell, P.O. Box 1018 Palm Springs, CA, 92263
Would like service to the Department of Motor Vehicles and
the Social Security offices. Since she says that she doesn't
have a car it seems that all she needs is service to the
Social Security offices. Evidently these offices have been
moved recently.
MEMORANDUM (Attachment #2)
March 28, 1988
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Staff
SUBJECT: FY 1988 Unmet Needs Comments - Corona Hearing 3/2/88
The following is a summary of the comments made at the Unmet
Needs hearing held on March 2, 1988 at the City of Corona, City
Council Chambers.
1) Rose Eldridge, 4044 Valley View, Norco, CA 91760 (714) 737-
2984; Norco Seniors, (714) 734-0606
She said that there is a need for more DAR vehicles in Norco
and this need is demonstrated by a 30 to 90 minute wait for
DAR service. She mentioned that students flooded the DAR
service at certain times. Said that the twice weekly
Meditrans service to Riverside had been cancelled due to a
lack of funding from the Older Americans Act. Mentioned that
if a person wanted to travel between Norco and Corona, using
the DAR, would have to transfer at the KMART. She also said
that with the Meditrans service people could make 24 hour in
advance reservations for service. With the Corona and Norco
DARs, it is first come, first served. She submitted a
petition with 47 Norco area senior's signatures requesting
an increase in DAR service.
2) Joy Jones Schock P.O. Box 93, Norco, CA 91760
Requested fixed route service between Norco and Corona.
Suggested a route beginning at Sixth Street and Main in
Corona going up to Hamner and Sixth Street in Norco. She
also mentioned that it would be desireable for the bus to
continue east on Sixth (in Norco) to California and on into
the City of Riverside.
3) Tom Thomas P.O. Box 2361, Corona, CA 91720 Representing
First Step Inc.
He also mentioned that people traveling between Norco and
Corona would have to transfer DARs at the KMART. Would like
a fixed route connecting Norco/Corona.
4) Joe Mishica 18625 Quail Hill Drive, Corona (714) 734-6052
Would like to see the Corona DAR area extended to the El
Cerrito area. Would like the DAR to go further north on
State Street (State and Ontario intersection) State and
Ontario is a busy intersection and poses a potential safety
problem for school children using the DAR.
MEMORANDUM (Attachment #3)
March 28, 1988
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Staff
SUBJECT: FY 1988 Unmet Needs Comments - 3/2/88 Riverside Public
Library
The following is a summary of the public comments made at the
Unmet Needs hearing held on March 2, 1988 at the Riverside Public
Library. The first part of this memo lists the public comments
made at the hearing and is followed by a listing of the written
comments received by the Commission.
1) R.M. Cantillon, Attorney, 3631 10th Street, #222, Riverside,
CA 92501 (714) 686-5388
Would like to see fixed route service from Corona (line 2)
extended up Hamner to Norco. He said that the
population of the Corona/Norco area should support a fixed
route service.
2) Cathy Bechtel Inland Regional Center, 1020 Cooley Drive,
Colton, CA 92412
Said that there are 8 Inland Regional Center (IRC) clients
that currently need service within the City of Riverside.
There will be 10 more in June or July when they graduate
from school. She has already requested the City of Riverside
to increase the Parks and Recreation Department budget to
accomodate these clients. In the Corona area, the.IRC has 7
clients graduating that will be using the Corona Dial -a -Ride
system. In the Perris -San Jacinto -Hemet area there are 2
clients currently on the waiting list so she recommends that
plans be made for an additional vehicle in the upcoming
year. There are 26 clients that travel from the Mira Loma-
Rubidoux-Pedley area into Riverside. There are also 30
clients residing in the Mira Loma-Rubidoux-Pedley area who
could use public dial -a -ride. There are 15 clients traveling
from the Moreno Valley into Riverside with 4 more graduating
in June. The IRC currently transports 30 clients from the
Corona area into Downtown Riverside. She also mentioned that
there are no seatbelts on the vehicles in the Perris/San
Jacinto -Hemet and Corona dial -a -rides. She would like the
installation of seatbelts on these systems be analyzed.
(Attachment #3 pg. 2)
3) Ace Atkinson, Developmental Disabilities Area Board #12,
1960 Chicago Avenue, #E-8, Riverside, CA 92501
Entered the Developmental Disabilities Area Board's
definition of what an unmet need is. "Where the Regional
Center has contracted for services, that on our mind,
constitutes a public transit need." Stated that the Regional
Center will continue to provide services to those clients
for whom public services is not appropriate.
4) Ed Crespin, 6667 Cathy Place (714) 354-9846
Supports DAR and fixed route service from Riverside to
Orange and Los Angeles Counties.
5) Terry Spiro, representing Elna Gallagher, (CAPH)
Would like the RTA bus (line 25) serving Loma Linda hospital
to make an additional stop, across the parking lot, where
the doctors clinics are. She said that the trip across the
parking lot was uphill and difficult for a wheelchair
person. In addition, Mr. Spiro would like to see more vans
operating on Sunday for church service (City of Riverside
Dial -a -Ride).
6) Leon Overton, 5680 Newton Street, Rubidoux, CA 92509
Would like three changes on RTA route 29 to serve the
communities of Belltown and Paramount Estates and the
Memorial Park pool. The changes requested are as follows.
When the bus comes on to Rubidoux Blvd off of 34th Street,
he would like the bus to continue on Rubidoux to 24th
Street, turn right on 24th, down to Hall, turn right on
Hall, go up to 28th Street, turn right and continue its
present route. Then when the bus turns on to Mission Blvd
off of Riverview Drive, he would like the bus to turn right
on La Rue, left on La Canada Drive, left on Pacific and
right on to Mission (returning to its present route). Then
after the bus comes down Opal and turns left on 45th Street,
he would like the bus to turn left (instead of right) on
Pacific, go up and turn right on 42nd, turn right onto
Riverview Drive and continue it's current route.
7) Karen Hue Sing, 1182 W. Blaine, #15, Riverside (714) 784-
5066
Karen is a wheelchair bound student attending RCC. She
regularly uses RTA service on line 1. She complained about
RTA drivers not being assertive enough to make passengers
who are sitting on the fold down seats to stand inorder to
allow wheelchair people to board the bus. She said that on
several occasions, she has had to wait a couple of hours at
a stop before she was picked up. The she said that sometimes
she would be at the bus stop before anyone else, but when
the bus came, ambulatory people would get on the bus and the
(Attachment 13 pg. 3)
driver would tell her that the bus was full. Also, she
mentioned that sometimes she couldn't board because it was a
non -lift equipped vehicle. Her other comments were that on
numerous occasions the grabbers (tie -downs) wouldn't release
and when the drivers tried to help release the grabber, they
would cuss under their breath. The last thing she mentioned
was that she is new to the area and at times, when she
disembarks from the bus she finds- herself in an area
where there are no curb cuts and she has had to flag down a
motorist or someone passing by to help her to the curb.
8) Bobby Molina (?) Wheelchair bound person who would like
accessible service between Riverside and Long Beach.
LETTERS/PHONE CALLS
1) Bob Rahlwes, 4301 La Sierra Ave. #13, Riverside, CA 92505
(letter, received 3/2/88)
He currently uses SCRTD line 496 to commute to Ontario
Airport. He would like to see RTA service to Ontario Airport
up Van Buren or Hamner.
2) Ismael Almanza, 21750 Cedar Street, Perris, CA 92370
(letter, received 3/2/88)
He lives in Mead Valley --Cedar and Old Elsinore. He doesn't
mention where he works but he would like earlier bus service
because he would has to be at work by 7:00 AM. The earliest
AM bus at Mead Valley Center is 6:40 AM (RTA route 22)
3) Donna Urbach, P.O. Box 13, Lake Elsinore, CA, 92330
(letter, received 2/29/88)
Needs to get to work by 8:00 AM, the earliest bus on route
24 leaves Perris at 8:50 and arrives in Lake Elsinore at
9:15. She would like an earlier bus and she also complained
about the 1 1/2 hour headways.
4) Beverly I. Ray, 202 E. Jarvis, #54, Perris, CA 92370
(letter received 3/10/88)
She uses RTA line 2 at El Sob. and Sixth Street at 1:48 PM
which arrives at Tyler Mall at 2:04. She wants to catch the
line 24 bus to Perris but, it leaves at 2:00 PM. The next
bus to Perris leaves at 3:25 PM. She would like to know if
there is anything that can be done about coordinating this
connection.
(Attachment #3 pg. 4)
5) Ray Serrano, 29835 Avenida Cima Del Sol, Rancho California
92390 (714) 676-0874 (called 3/1/88)
Requests local bus service within Rancho California and
inter -city to Corona and Norco.
6) Frances Taylor, 42224 Stonewood Road #C, Rancho California
92390 (714) 699-0640 (called 3/1/88)
Requests bus service in Rancho California and inter -city to
Riverside.
AGENDA ITEM NO. 5
RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director
SUBJECT: Transportation Studies - Progress Report
There are several transportation studies in progress that staff
will provide progress reports on at the meeting. They are as
follows:
1. Riverside/San Bernardino Transportation Study.
2. Riverside -Orange County Commuter Rail Study.
3. Cajalco Parkway Study.
4. Consultant review of State Highway and Regional Arterial
Project Costs for the Proposed Local Transportation Sales
Tax Measure.
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