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AGENDA
CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
TUESDAY, APRIL 24, 1984, 1:30 P.M.
RIVERSIDE CITY HALL
4TH FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM
3900 MAIN STREET, RIVERSIDE 92522
1. Call to Order.
2. Approval of Minutes.
3. Unmet Transit Needs. (INFO/ACTION)
4. FY 1985-89 Short Range Transit Plan. (ACTION)
5. Route 86. (INFORMATION)
6. Legislation. (INFORMATION)
7. Meeting Dates. (DISC/ACTION)
8. Adjournment.
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CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes of Meeting No. 1-84
February 28, 1984
1.. Call to Order.
The meeting of the Citizens Advisory Committee was called to
order by Chairman Richard Jandt at 1:31 p.m., on Tuesday,
February 28, 1984, at the Riverside City Hall, Fourth Floor
Conference Room, 3900 Main Street, Riverside.
Members present:
Fred Fickas
Richard Jandt
Herb Krauch
Joanne Moore
Rena Parker
Bertram H. Vinson
Larry Weinberg
Ran Wyder
At this time, Joanne Moore introduced herself to members of
the Committee. She said that she is employed by the
California Employment Development Department as a Placement
Counselor,One of her interests is to have transportation for
those that are living in the Lake Elsinore area and are
working in the Corona/Norco and Perris areas.
Ran Wyder reported that at a meeting was held this month in
the desert area where discussion of a proposed transporta-
tion plan for the area took place. He related that there is
an increasing traffic congestion problem on Highway 111. As
a member of the Committee, he felt that the Committee should
be apprised of the problem.
Chairman Jandt commented that the Coachella Valley is unique
in that there are 130,000 permanent residents but the popu-
lation increases during the winter to approximately 260,000.
This is a problem for year-round residents as they are used
to lighter traffic in the summer months, and the roads while
built to handle more than the summer traffic are grossly
inadequate for the winter population.
Barry Beck stated that he totally agrees with Ran Wyder and
that the winter traffic congestion condition could only get
much worse. He is a member of the CVAG's Transportation
Committee which has been trying to obtain funding for an
overall transportation study of the Coachella Valley to
project what the needs are going to be by the year 2000-2010
and to develop plans and reserve the additional right of way
for roadway capacity that is going to be needed to meet
those demands. Unfortunately, this type of planning should
have been done in the past whereby a road could have been
built parallel to Highway 111. That action is probably
foreclosed now by the development of the country clubs and
golf courses along the wash area. He noted that there are
still a lot of things that can be done even if it is on a
checkerboard/zigzag pattern and that there is still some
opportunity to widen Highway 111.
Larry Weinberg added that one of the things being done is to
put signs at appropriate locations to try and direct traffic
away from Highway 111. Caltrans has been asked to place
signs on I-10 near the Highway 111 off ramp to Palm Springs
to induce people whose destination is not Palm Springs to
stay on I-10 instead of getting off on Highway 111. The
other thing that would help divert traffic away frn Highway 131
is to have signing on South Palm Canyon Drive to get people
to use Vista Chino or Ramon Road to direct them to the
communities further down the valley.
Chairman Jandt said that part of the problem is due to
advertisements for Palm Springs inducing people to go through
Palm Springs even though their destination is elsewhere in
the valley.
Ran Wyder added that there is a need to direct people
further down valley away from Palms Springs and that publi-
cizing the congestion problem would help inform the people
of the problem.
In response to Larry Weinberg's question regarding an item
that would be discussed at the the CVAG Transportation
Committee meeting, Barry Beck said that he will be
discussing the development of a specific transportation plan
for the Coachella Valley. The study would be more detailed
than the SCAG regional plan because it would address the
major arterials in the valley as well as the state highways.
Chairman Jandt asked Barry Beck if the Committee could do
anything to influence the Commission to see that this kind
of a plan is being done.
Barry Beck replied that funding has been made available to
do the study. The study will detail what the traffic demand
is going to be and describe what facilities are going to be
needed to meet the projected trafffic demand. Funding for
the study will be finalized on Thursday, March 1st by the
SCAG Executive Committee.
2. Approval of Minutes.
There being no corrections or additions to the minutes of
November 29, 1983, the minutes were approved as submitted.
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3. Transit Operations Report for July 1 - December 31.
Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director, informed the Committee
that overall countywide ridership has increased by 11% with
the exception of RTA dial -a -ride services. Ridership on
RTA's dial -a -ride services has decreased for three reasons:
1) The conversion of the Rubidoux dial -a -ride service to a
fixed route; 2) Changing the zonal system in Hemet to an -
open system resulting in eliminating transfers previously
included in ridership counts; and,. 3) Problems experienced in
radio communications and dispatching when all dial -a -ride
dispatching was consolidated into one center in Perris.
Operating costs are 3% higher than the previous year. There
are no apparent problems for transit operators to meet
minimum required fare revenue to operating expense ratio
this year.
For the benefit of new Committee members, Barry Beck
reviewed the tables showing operations data for each public
transit operator in the County.
4. 1985-89 Riverside County Short Range Transit Plan.
Paul Blackwelder told the Committee that the annual
Riverside Short Range Transit Plan update process had begun
with two working sessions held to brief Committee members of
the services currently provided and proposed service
improvements included in the 1984-88 Short Range Transit
Plan. The working sessions were held in Riverside on
January 31st and in Palm Desert on February 3rd. He then
reviewed the schedule for completing the plan update pro-
cess.
Barry Beck encouraged Committee members to attend the unmet
transit needs hearings in their respective areas.
Herbert Krauch requested that RTA study the possibility of
establishing transit service between the Banning/Beaumont
area and the Hemet/San Jacinto area. He suggested that they
conduct a survey to determine the number of riders that
might use such a'service, develop a cost estimate for provi-
ding service and report back to the Commitee so that a
recommendation for or against such a service could be made
by the Committee for inclusion in the 1985-89 Short Range
Transit Plan. He said that the reason for this request is
because there is heavy morning and evening traffic between
the two areas and because opportunities for work in the
Banning/Beaumont area are very small compared to the oppor-
tunities for employment in the Hemet area. There is
presently no private or public transit service between the
two areas.
Paul Blackwelder stated that a similar request has been made
to RTA staff by RTA Board Member Fred Shaw.
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Barry Beck gave a brief summary of the purpose of the unmet
transit needs hearings. He explained that before any Trans-
portation Development Act funds are released for street and
road purposes, the Commission must hold a public hearing on
unmet transit needs. After reviewing the Short Range
Transit Plan and testimony received at the hearings, the
Commission must make one of three findings: 1) That there
are unmet needs but that they cannot be reasonably be met;
2) That thare are no unmet public transportation needs; or,
3) that there are unmet needs which can reasonably be met.
The County is estimated to receive approximately $11 million
next year. Between 30 and 50% of the amount will probably be
used for street and road maintenance. -
In response to Larry Weinberg's question if TDA funds could
be used for state highways, Barry Beck said that it could be
used for that purpose but the amount of funds is not enough
to construct a major project.
Bert Vinson related a road maintenance problem in the Mira
Loma area, 700 yards from the San Bernardino County line.
He asked as to the proper person to contact regarding this
problem.
Barry Beck commented that since the area is in the County's
jurisdiction, Roy Smoot, Road Commissioner and Surveyor, is
the person to contact.
5. Social Service Transportation Consolidation Efforts In The
Coachella Valley.
Paul Blackwelder stated that last year, Sunline conducted a
study to identify what transportation services are provided
to elderly and handicapped persons by social service agen-
cies in the Coachella Valley. The study had three compo-
nents: 1) an inventory of existing services; 2) identifica-
tion of duplicative services; and, 3) identification of
agencies interested in consolidation of transportation ser-
vices. The report to the SunLine Board identified social
service agencies that are interested in consolidation of
social services agencies if the quality of service would be
maintained and operating costs could be reduced. The Sun -
Line Board has appointed Larry Weinberg to assist SunLine
staff to determine the feasibility of developing a non-
profit agency to consolidated transportation services of the
social agencies in the Coachella Valley area. Staff has
requested Mr. Weinberg to give the Committee an update on
the status of his efforts.
Larry Weinberg stated that they are still at a very prelimi-
nary- and very exploratory status. The purpose of such an
effort are as follows: 1) to hopefully deliver a better
system of specialized transportation; and, 2) to reduce cost
for the various agencies that will participate. This agency
under consideration would be a non-profit corporation and
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controlled by a Board of Directors comprised of representa-
tives from SunLine Transit Agency, Office on Aging, and
other participating agencies. This entity would take over
the entire specialized transportation services for Coachella
Valley. At the present time, contact is being made with all
interested agencies. Financing for the first year will be
provided by the SunLine Transit Agency and Office On Aging.
A capitalization fund would not be set up in the beginning
but would establish one when needed. They will use to the
greatest extent possible volunteers for office personnel,
administrative personnel and drivers to reduce operating
costs. A meeting with representatives of all interested
agencies is planned for the latter part of March. They will
be able to determine soon whether there really is a strong
enough support for this kind of a program and whether or not
to go forward with it. A decision will be made after ,the
March meeting and after review of input from the various
agencies and descriptions of their transportation needs.;;:He
feels that this is a good chance to develop a system tkiat
will deliver transportation service to the elderly 'and
handicapped in Coachella Valley at a lower cost. Participa-
tion by social service agencies will be on a contract basis
where there is an understanding with the agencies as to what
its need is going to be and what the costs will be to
provide service for the constituents of that agency. Sup-
port from agencies receiving transportation services will be
defined in the contract that the company will enter into
with them calling for periodic payments. They will also
have another kind of contract whereby an agency having
facilities, personnel, vehicles, etc., can make them availa-
ble to the company on a contract basis for a predetermined
price.
Chairman Jandt asked how many different agencies are
furnishing transportation to their clients and if most of
the agencies are government supported entities.
Larry Weinberg noted that not all social service agencies
furnish transportation to their clientele. There are appro-
ximately 15-20 agencies in the Coachella Valley that do
furnish transportation services. The senior centers are
government supported but many of the other agencies are
private foundations supported by private contribution.
In response to Joanne Moore's question as to what type of
vehicles will be used, Larry Weinberg said that they will
use whatever vehicles can be made available. At present,
there are 18 vehicles that can be made available and most of
them are large vehicles. They will use vans and also expect
to use taxicabs by having a contract arrangement with taxi-
cab companies to provide low-cost transportation.
Joanne Moore asked if the general public would be able to
use the proposed transportation service and Larry Weinberg
said that the intent is to serve elderly and handicapped
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persons and it will be handled through social service agen-
cies.
Chairman Jandt asked whether the service also have to meet
the required farebox revenue ratio.
Barry Beck said that would depend on how the agency is
funded. If they get near the degree of volunteer support
that they are striving for, he feels that the fares will
cover at least 10% of operating cost. At worst, only 10% of
the operating costs would have to be covered by fares if TDA
funding is used.
6. Miscellanous Items.
Rena Parker asked about the status of the Route 71 Improve-
ment Study and what consideration was being given to the
portion of the route near Route 91 and the access to a
proposed dump site west of Prado Dam.
Barry Beck said that Route 71 is located on the very western
edge of the County. Caltrans is doing a major study of Route
71 from Route 91 to I-10. Route 71 is being studied
regarding the impacts of planned development of Chino Hills.
One concern us access to Route 71 from a proposed dumpsite
which is currently the Owl Quarry site. An action was taken
at the last Commission meeting to request Caltrans to in-
clude a possible interchange at the Owl Rock Quarry site in
the study to provide ingress and egress to that site if in
fact it were to be chosen as a new waste disposal site.
With regard to intersection of Route 91 and Route 71, he
understands tixat it will eventually have to be entirely
rebuilt because of the proposed raising of the Prado Dam.
In response to a request by Chairman Jandt to explain the
action by the Commission to reallocate SB 821 funds for Palm
Desert, Barry Beck said that Commission allocated $31,800 to
the City of Palm Desert for construction of a bikeway on
Route 74 in 1981. Palm Desert then requested that the funds
be used for the Whitewater Channel bikeway project instead
of the Route 74 bikeway project. The Commission approved
their request. Staff did not make a recommendation to the
Commission pointing out that while staff felt that the
Whitewater Channel bikeway project is certainly a high
priority project and probably would have been a top priority
had it been submitted originally, staff had some concerns
that some agencies might compete for funds with a high
priority project and then later use the funds for another
project. The Commission recognizing that the Whitewater
Channel bikeway project was a hign priority projsct approved
the transfer and cautioned other agencies not to use this
type of a tactic.
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7. Adjournment.
With no other items to be discussed, Chairman Jandt
adjourned the meeting at 3:09 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Paul Blackwelder
Assistant Director
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'RIVERSIDE COUNT TANS?ORTA T Off;
TO: Citizens Advisory Committee
FROM: Paul Blackwelder, Assistant Director
SUBJECT: Unmet Transit Needs
Public hearings were held on March 8th in Palm Desert and on March 15th in
Riverside to determine whether or not there were Unmet transit needs in
Riverside County. Responses to the identified needs could not be prepared
in time to be presented to the Committee at its meeting scheduled for March
27th. The meeting was cancelled and a list of the' service requests identi-
fied at the hearings were mailed to the Committee with the draft 1985-1989
Short Range Transit Plans. Committee members were requested to provide
comments to staff by April 13. The only comments received were from
Mr. Herb Krauch.
The enclosed staff report on unmet transit needs in Western Riverside County
and the Palo Verde Valley was prepared by staff and has been forwarded to
the Commission. The report could not be prepared prior to the last scheduled
Committee meeting. Review by the Committee prior to the Commission presenta-
tion would have required a special meeting. A special meeting was not called
for two reasons.* First, there were no unmet needs identified in the Palo
Verde Valley area at the hearings and no comments were received from the Com-
mittee. Second, the needs identified for Western Riverside County are minor
and only Mr. Krauch provided comments. RTA staff advised Mr. Krauch by letter
on April 9, 1984 that a study of transit needs between Banning/Beaumont and
Hemet would be completed by November, 1984. The RTA staff subsequently advised
us that the study would be expanded to include a study of transit needs between
Banning/Beaumont and Loma Linda and Riverside.
Also enclosed is a copy of a letter sent to the SunLine Transit Agency listing
the unmet transit needs identified at the Palm Desert hearing, We requested
their assistance to assess the transit needs and to develop and evaluate alter-
natives for providing service. SunLine staff has advised us that the information
will be submitted after the SunLine Board reviews the information at its meet-
ing on April 25th. We expect that the SunLine staff report will be available
to us in the SunLine agenda packet which we would normally receive on Monday,
April 23rd, prior to the Board meeting. If the report is available, we will
provide copies for the Committee at the meeting. If it is not available, the
Committee should decide whether or not a special meeting should be held to
allow the Committee to review the material prior to staff submitting a report
to the Commission for action in May,
PB:nk
Attachment
Agenda Item No. 3
RIVERSIDE COUNTY TRANSPORTATION COON: s S = N:
TO: Riverside County Transportation Commission
FROM: Barry Beck, Executive Director
SUBJECT: Unmet Transit Needs
The Commission held two public hearings in March to receive
testimony on unmet transit needs. There were several needs
raised in the Desert area that staff has asked the SunLine
Transit Agency to review and comment on. SunLine was not able
to do this in time for this meeting so a determination on
unmet transit needs for the Coachella Valley area will be
scheduled for the Commission's May meeting. Attached to this
report is a summary of written comments and comments received
at the hearings pertaining to the Western County area together
with staff responses. Also attached are a copy of the hearing
transcript and copies of letters received. There was no
testimony received, written or oral, on any unmet needs in the
Palo Verde Valley area.
Staff has analyzed all the comments received about needs in
the Western County area. In two instances, the bus stop at
Buchanan Street and Magnolia Avenue in Riverside and service
to the Children's Center of Riverside, the problem has been
largely resolved through discussions with City of Riverside
staff. There were two requests for additional or revised
service. Mr. Chuska asked that Sunday service be provided on
RTA Line 12. Our analysis shows that most public transit
operators provide little or no Sunday service because of low
ridership. RTA's Lines 1 and 16, the two highest patronized
lines and the only two which have Sunday service, carry only a
small fraction of the weekday ridership on Sundays. Based on
this experience, staff does not feel that Sunday service on
Line 12 to be cost-effective, i.e. this is not a need that
could be reasonably met.
Mr. Pamatot wrote asking for a revision to RTA's Line 25 sche-
dule to allow for a better timed 'transfer so one could travel
from Beaumont to Riverside via Loma Linda. Changing the Line
25 schedule would disrupt afternoon service to North High
School which is highly patronized. We also note that even
under ideal conditions, the trip from Beaumont to Riverside
would be an over 4 hour round trip. We doubt many would
attempt such a lengthy trip. Greyhound offers 5 round trips
daily between Riverside and Beaumont with a round trip travel
time of only 1 1/2 hours. The cost, however, is $3.25 each
way - high compared to subsidized public transit fares.
Agenda Item No. 4
1 April 19, 1984
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m e e t i n g .
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