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MINUTES
APRIL 17, 1991
ATTENDING: KATHY KILLEN, CHAIR
DR. ALLEN
MAX WILLIAMSON
DEAN MARTENS
CRAIG BAKER, REC. DIRECTOR
BUD SCHMIDT, ADMINISTRATOR
1. PETITION - JIM STAUP
JIM STAUP
PEGGIE CLEMMER
SCOTT FINDLAY
DON BELTS
ANDY LAIDLAW
JIM HARDY
RITA LYONS
Mr. Staup discussed why petition was distributed and
expressed his opinion that the conversion should have been put to a
public vote prior to being worked on. After lengthy discussion,
Wayne Allen moved to recommend to the council that no action be
taken and no ordinance revised(committee was advised by Mr. Schmidt
that the Park Zone Mr. Staup was concerned about is no longer in
Zoning Ordinances). Dean Martens seconded and the motion carried
unanimously.
Chair spoke with 22 people about their concerns in signing the
petitions(attachment "A").
2. REQUEST TO RELOCATE RESTROOMS AT FAIRWAY PARK(attachment "B").
Craig Baker informed committee he had discussed the problem
with Mr. Holland and has agreed to relocate the restrooms as soon as
possible.
3. WESTERN CHARTERS MOORAGE REQUEST(attachment "C").
Committee expressed concern at having commercial businesses
operating from public docks. Arrangements would have to be made
concerning leases, fee structure, parking, Coast Guard and State
Regulation, and boat size. Max Williamson moved to recommend the
city council take no formal action and not address Western Charters
until they have extinguished all commercial possibilities and have
addressed parking. Dean Martens seconded and the motion carried
without opposition.
4. STAFF REPORTS
CHAIR
a. Margot Knight from the Idaho Commission of the Arts may be
able to provide a sculpture for Lake Front Park either free or on a
money matching basis. Chair to follow up with grant application.
b. Committee was informed that kathy had attended a Green
Belt and Trail Symposium and that she would do a write up on what
she learned(attachment "D").
c. Interest has been shown by Bonnie Allen in forming a
memorial fund for the park. Picnic tables were discussed, choosing
to stay with design now in use.
d. Idaho Power is involved in a Keep the Earth Green campaign
and may be able to provide funds for sod. Chair to follow up on
this possibility.
e. Rotary Club has requested a presentation on May 10, 1991
concerning a tree planting program. Don Belts has put together a
slide show and drawings and will present it to Rotary on the 10th of
May. Dean Martens will accompany Kathy Killen.
CITY ADMINISTRATOR
a. Bud Schmidt informed the committee a deed has been drawn
up and a $250.00 fee is being paid and the land will be recorded
into the outdoor inventory.
b. Committee was handed a letter from Steve
Milliman(attachment "E") informing the city that a 10wide corridor
rather than a 25' wide corridor for a bike path would be dedicated
by Mr. Manchester due to the Century 21 land being appraised at
$130,000 dollars rather than $120,00 dollars.
c. Public restrooms at Mill Park will be relocated at Mr.
Manchesters option, but must be acceptable by the City;
1. With in the boundaries of Mill Park
2. Must have city's OK.
d. Rough Park Use Policy has been prepared by Mr. Schmidt and
was handed out(attachment "F") to be studied by the committee and
discussed at the next meeting.
e. Committee was informed no action had been taken on the
committee's recommendation that city council request a deed for any
filled lands in the lakefront park area from the Idaho Department of
Lands. Dr. Allen moved to recommend the council take action on the
above recommendation. Dean Martens seconded and the motion carried.
RECREATION DIRECTOR
a. Youth 5th & 6th grade Basketball just finished and had 50+
participants on 6 teams.
b. Youth Bowling is in its second week and has 35 youngsters
attending. Last year was the Bowling programs first year and it had
25 youngsters enroll.
5. LAKEFRONT PARK COST ESTIMATE AND 10% DRAWINGS - ANDY LAIDLAW
Mr. Laidlaw described the proposed bathroom as being built of
cinder block, including stall walls to make it extremely durable.
The outside of the bathroom will consist of 2x rough cut wood with
rigid insulation sandwiched between it and the cinder blocks to give
the building a high "R" rating and a soft rustic look. Mr. Laidlaw
went on to hand out a cost estimate for two different floor
plans(attachment "G") and explain their pro's and cons. Dr. Allen
moved to recommend council accept the smaller floor plan, with the
above described construction and stainless steel fixtures and to
stay consistent with the already submitted and approved master plan.
Williamson seconded and motion carried.
6. MEETING: SCHEDULED MONDAY APRIL 29, 7:00PM - Cancelled
NEXT MEETING MAY 8, 7:30PM
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Killen,
Chair
ATTACHMENT "A"
General comments gathered regarding reasons for signing Petition
involving Sale, Trade or Bartering of Parks Lands
432 Signature on Petition
156 Registered Voters within City of McCall
Spoke with 22 people
Need more, not less lands for parks - comment heard most often
Will lakefront park ever happen
Replacement or trade of park lands okay as long as replacement
occurs
Lack of public involvement with Manchester trade; very concern
with setting precedent of further dealings with any
developer
City Council had already, in private, made the deal before
the Public had any awareness or input.(Manchester Trade)
If citizens vote to buy the land, then need another vote to sell
Tennis courts inappropriate at Old Clubhouse site, should be
placed next to ball fields
Doesn't like City paying Manchester on trade, Manchester already
getting good deal
Does not like bypass idea - Not enough public input
Did not know petition was to be presented at State level
Doesn't trust Manchester, City should not be dealing with,
will only be used
City needs separate legal representation in Manchester dealings,
Millemann appears to be working for both sides
Against any non -equal trade, Manchester getting better deal
Petition rather confusing but Jim very persistent
If the City is going to deal with developers should deal in open
directly with developer and not his attorney; can only tell
if developer is trustworthy by dealing directly with him
in person and not go between
On Manchester trade - Concerned development will over shadow Mill
Park, become private instead of public
ATTACHMENT "B"
April 11, 1991
Bud Schmidt, City Administrator
City of McCall
McCall, Idaho 83638
Dear Mr. Schmidt:
As a concerned father and resident in the Aspen Village Project in
McCall, I am addressing the issue of the placement of the public
facility toilets at Fairway Park.
I have spoken to Kathy Killen, a member of the Parks Commission,
and to Mayor John Allen, regarding the matter of moving those
facilities to another location in Fairway Park and was instructed
to contact you.
As it is, our residence is Unit 124 in the Aspen Village, and as
such our back door is less than 30 feet from the aforementioned
facilities. Children play in the yard directly behind our Unit,
and during the spring, summer and fall, when those facilities are
being frequently used ---the odor and sounds from those facilities
require that we, as well as all the residents in that building in
the Aspen Village, keep all of the north -facing windows and doors
closed.
May I suggest that since the facilities are not permanent fixtures,
they be moved to a place nearer to the Davis Street end of Fairway
Park, between the baseball diamond and the Cal Gas yard.
We would appreciate very much your response to this issue during
the Parks Meeting on April 18.
Sincerely,
David K. Holland
cc: Kathy Killen
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ATTACHMENT "C"
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McCall, Idaho April 3, 1991
Attn. Dock Committee;
Western Charters having been licensed by State of Idaho to
operate tours and fishing charters on Payette Lakes, plans
to do so this summer. We feel that this service will be a
great plus to the tourism business in McCall and we are
asking for your input and/or co --operation to obtain
appropriate dock facilities in a down -town location for
loading and unloading passengers, also overnight clocking.
We would like to set up a meeting with you in the near
future to discuss the possibilities and get your input.
Please contact us at your earliest convenience.
Richard Escott 6")8-3762
Tim or Vickie Heath628-3322
(at Heath Realty)
ATTACHMENT "D"
Idaho Trail Symposium
April 13-14, 1991
Greenbelt Tour attended by Kathy Killen, McCall Park & Recreation
and Candy Anderson, Around the Lake Bike Path Committee
Path Construction:
10' width ideal for two way path
Runners will avoid paved surface and run along side
Minimum 15' easement best
Paving best for usage and maintenance
- paving machines expanded from 10' width
- to pave less becomes more expensive without machine
- approximately $1.00 per square foot (can sometimes
get for less if attached to another paving
project)
- asphalt + gravel better durability mix than asphalt +
sand
Path Layout:
- long straight stretches only encourage fast riders, also
less interesting
- mileage markers enjoyed along route.
- not just a path to get from here to there but a scenic
route
- resting spots along way; points of interests
Path Signage:
- very important for courtesy rules, dog control, multiple
use enjoyment.
- improves enjoyment of path with points of interest,
historical data
Path Users:
- bicycles (family leisurely outings to commuters to racers)
- walkers (toddlers to seniors) (individuals to groups)
- runners
- roller blades
- few skateboards, no curbs or hills
- wheel chairs
- cross country skiers, if more than 3" of snow fall left
otherwise path is plowed for more year round usage
- non -motorized.
IIDIT
General Information Particular to Boise Greenbelt:
Original concept conceived in 1966
Presently 19 miles long with plans to extend beyond city
limits
Developed and maintained by Boise City Recreation Department
with help from Boise Greenbelt Foundation
Foundation presently sponsoring Election of Recreation
District to take over Greenbelt project plus other
recreation needs in larger impact area than just
city limits; Boise City Recreation to become part of
District's responsibility
1/3 of land still in private hands, city holds easements
Greenbelt has greatly enhanced property values of adjacent
landowners; many originally concerned about opposite
effect, loss of privacy
Not built contiguously, but as land owners wanted
no condemnation has ever been necessary
Developers required to put in place and pave path before any
lots sold in new developments; part of Planning and
Zoning Ordinances. Can also kick in requirement if
building permit needed for substantial change of
established business or residential area.
Bridges:
Wooden over concrete preferable; more eye appealing,
durable, cheap; vinyl covered chain link fence
used on sides
Some paid for with Federal funding
$4.5 mil per state each year as part of
transportation funds available for bike
safety
Problems:
1. Conflict of multi -users; courtesy a must
Most involve faster individuals over taking slower ones
2. Loose Dogs, lack of enforcement of lease law and
waste problems
3. Lack of emergency vehicle access; often out of touch
for long stretches
4. Maintenance
dirt, weed control roots, ice heaves, drainage
5. Lack of enforcement of Greenbelt rules
Tried bike patrol but lacked consistency
6. How to fund on going costs
- reason for proposed Recreation District
?. Control of major event when entire area is taken over
for particular single use, i.e., fundraisers.
tIDIt
Important Contact People
Hugh Harper - River consultant, Long time involvement with
Greenbelt area) worked with River Runs to solve
City/Developer problems
James (Dusty) Stehr - former Manager and designer of Greenbelt
for the City of Boise - 15 years; presently consultant
Ward Parkinson - President Boise Greenbelt Foundation
Jim Poulson - Idaho Department of Parks and Recreation
Greenbelt coordinator with State;
All were more than gracious to meet with us at anytime to help
and give advise with a McCall project.
ATTACHMENT "E"
STEVEN J. MILLEMANN
JAMES C. WEAVER
EDWARD G. BURTON', P.C.
'ALSO ADMITTED IN ALASKA
Mr. Arthur Schmidt
City Administrator
City of McCall
P. O. Box 1065
McCall, Idaho 83638
LAW OFFICES OF
STEVEN J. MILLEMANN, P.A.
POST OFFICE BOX 1318
McCALL, IDAHO 83638
April 17, 1991
Re: Mill Park Conversion
Dear Bud:
PHONE (208) 634-7641
I have reviewed Jake Howard's March 22, 1991 correspondence
to you regarding the Mill Park Conversion. Thank you for
providing me with a copy of this correspondence. At your
request, I am writing to advise you of Mr. Manchester's position
on the portion of Mr. Howard's correspondence which might be
viewed as relating to Mr. Manchester, as opposed to the City
independently.
In his correspondence, Mr. Howard expresses some concern
about the resort development plan, specifically the location of
the service area. His concern is that the service area may
constitute a "visual impairment" to the park. As Mr. Howard
notes in his correspondence, the plans which he has apparently
reviewed are conceptual. As regards any visual impairment to the
park from any part of the development, let me assure you that it
is in Mr. Manchester's interest that the development be visually
attractive from the park and vice versa. As such, the interests
of Mr. Manchester and the public in this regard are shared,
rather than at odds. I am confident that as any final resort
plan is implemented there will be adequate and attractive
screening of any service areas, for the benefit of both the
public and hotel guests. Further, I must note that the current
visual orientation from the park is of an unattractive water-
front which is in desperate need of clean-up and rehabilitation.
Moreover, if the land exchange which is the subject of this
conversion application had never -taken place, the Manchester
property could and would have been developed as either commercial
or higher density residential property, for which no regard to
impact on the park would have had to even be considered.
Mr. Howard also expresses concern regarding the adequacy of
the ten -foot easement which was agreed to by Mr. Manchester and
the City, as part of the proceedings on Mr. Manchester's variance
and special use applications. The easement was requested by you
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and granted by Mr. Manchester with the understanding that it
would be used for a pedestrian/bicycle corridor connecting the
existing Mill Park and the old Union Pacific Railroad
right-of-way. Given current land values in the area, this
easement represents a contribution of approximately $15,000.00 in
value to the City of McCall. This easement would nearly double
the existing access to the Mill Park, which is currently limited
to the Reid Gillespie easement. It represents a more than
adequate corridor for purposes of pedestrian and bicycle use
which, in fact, is wider than the improved corridor along the
Boise Greenbelt. It also allows the Mill Park to, for the first
time, become other than a "dead-end" park. By landscaping and,
as necessary, proper screening, the easement will be attractively
integrated into the final resort development plan. Once again,
it is in both Mr. Manchester's and the public's interest that the
easement not detract from nor be detracted from by the
development.
With these thoughts in mind, we greet with considerable
surprise the suggestion that the corridor will be of limited
recreational benefit if it is less than twenty-five feet wide.
As a practical matter, twenty-five feet in McCall is a street,
not a bicycle/pedestrian corridor. Particularly given the City's
denial of Mr. Manchester's special use application for the Sunset
Subdivision lots, the width of Mr. Manchester's property does
not, as a practical matter, allow for the grant of an additional
fifteen feet. The request would involve a grant of property
worth an additional $20,000.00. The simple fact which seems to
have been somewhat lost in this very lengthy conversion
application process is that the Mill Park will be more
accessible, more attractive, and used considerably more by the
public as a result of this conversion and the resort development,
than was ever the case prior thereto. In sum, to the extent that
Mr. Howard's correspondence is requesting the grant of an
additional fifteen feet from Mr. Manchester, that request must be
respectfully declined.
The only other portion of Mr. Howard's correspondence which
would appear to apply directly to Mr. Manchester is his
indication that public restrooms for the park cannot be provided
from within the resort property. The Agreement for Exchange of
Properties entered into by Mr. Manchester and the City
contemplates that Mr. Manchester would have the right to relocate
the restrooms to a location acceptable to the City. If the
provision of restrooms from within the resort property is not
ultimately acceptable, then it would be Mr. Manchester's
intention to work with the City and Mr. Howard to locate an
alternative, acceptable site.
In closing, let me say that your considerable efforts in
preparing and pursuing the conversion application are certainly
appreciated. It is with some considerable frustration that we
have observed the efforts by some who would characterize
themselves as spokespersons for the public to misrepresent and
distort the fundamental underlying facts surrounding this land
exchange and this conversion. Members of the public have been
solicited to sign petitions which we understand have been
submitted to Mr. Howard as supporting a proposition which is
other than what is stated on the face of the petition and other
than what the signors understood to be the intent of the
petition. In addition, some of these persons who would
characterize themselves as spokespersons for the public appear,
instead, to be pursuing their own private agendas rather than the
public's, without any apparent regaria for the fact that not only
this development, but the prompt initiation of construction of
the City's new lakefront park, hang in the balance.
I would hope that what is a rather straight -forward,
reasonable and fair exchange of properties can now finally be
allowed to close, so that both the City and Mr. Manchester can
get on with the positive work which lies ahead.
Thank you once again for the opportunity to comment on Mr.
Howard's correspondence.
Yours very truly,
STEVEN J.IMILLEMANN
SJM/ rm
cc: Douglas Manchester
ATTACHMENT "F"
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PARK USE POLICY
PURPOSE; TO ESTABLISH POLICIES GOVERNING THE USE OF THE
CITY OF MCCALL'S PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES:
POLICY: NO ACTIVITY WHICH DISTURBS THE PUBLIC'S QUIET
ENJOYMENT OF ITS PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES SHALL BE
PERMITTED IN A PUBLIC PARK OR RECREATIONAL FACILITY.
EXCEPTIONS: 1. Activities to which the public will be
invited, for which tickets or goods may be sold to the
public, or where the public may be solicited in any way or
for any purpose, for which a loudspeaker or sound
amplifier will be used, including political, sectarian, or
political activity, may be conducted in a city park or
recreational facility after securing a special use permit
for the activity to be issued by the City Council after
recommendation by the
Park and Recreation Advisory Committee.
2. Food vendors will be licensed seasonally for
operation at specific locations in public
parks by the city. Vendors must be licensed for an entire
season, prior to May 1 of each year, and in numbers set by
the city. No event or short-term vendors shall be
permitted in the park. Licensing shall be addressed with
applicable standards in the City Code.
DISCUSSION:
The prohibition on commercial, political or sectarian
activities has been a city council policy since the
current administration began in 1985. At the same time,
Mill park is used for the arts and crafts fair each August
which is viewed by some as a commercial use of the park. We
have had requests to have petition signing drives,
candidate forums, and other political activities in city
parks and buildings. .
Food vending has occurred at softball tournaments and
requests for food concessions in parks have been received.
At the request of Marilyn Arp, the current policy was sent
to the park and recreation committee for review and
recommendation. Staff was asked to draft a policy for
committee consideration.
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