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MINUTES
I~CEMBER 18, 1992
I. ROLL CALL AND CALL TO ORDER.
Chair Grote called the meeting to order at 4:00pm. Committee members Martens, Killen, and
Coyle answered the roll call. Chair declared a quorum present. Also attending was Director Baker.
Committee member Scott arrived at 4:30pm.
II. BOY SCOUT CONCESSIONS(TROOP 246) IN ART ROBERTS PARK
LETTER FROM DANlEL BURTON(ATTACHED).
Chair informed thc committee that one light pole in Art Roberts Park had been removed, the
other pole had been placed behind the traditional Christmas trec and all wires in the park had been buried.
Furthermore, Chair informed committee that all work was donated by Idaho Power, G.T.E. and the
Central Idaho StarNcws. Martens moved to recommend council write a letter of thanks to Idaho
Power, G.T.E, and The Central Idaho StarNews. Seconded by Killen and the motion carried.
In addition, Chair informed committee that in past years the power outlet was not metered and
Idaho POwer paid the bill during Winter Carnival, when improvements at Art ROberts Park were made, a
meter was installed and the city is now being billed. After discussion, Killen moved to recommend
council issue a special use permit to Troop 246 allowing them to use the South/East corner of Art
Roberts Park during the 1993 Winter Carnival with the condition that they pay the metered amount
incurred. Seconded by Martens and the motion carried.
III. SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR SNOW SCULPTING AND CONCESSIONS IN LEGACY PARK - LETTER FROM HAL SAGER(ATTACHED).
After discussion concerning location of ice sculptures, the entrance and exit of heavy equipment
to build the sculpting blocks, location of concessions and additional concessions, Killen moved to
recommend council approve a special use permit for the ice sculpting contest and concession
conditioned on the following;
a. All heavy equipment will enter/leave the park at the pump house entrance and
only city crews will be allowed access with heavy equipment.
b. Concession will be located in the sand area.
c. Permittee will pay for power used by the event and concession.
d. Permittee will provide traffic control to confine crowd entry to the north and
south park entrances avoiding the stairs.
Martens seconded and the motion carried.
Committee further discussed sledding and sliding activities which may occur on the steep slope
located on the south/east end of the park. Committee members Killen and Grote volunteered to create
signage and install flagging along the slope this year, but would like to see a more permanent solution be
budgeted for in future years such as snow fencing.
IV. PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IN MILL PARK
Chair informed committee that the council had redirected the playground equipment in Mill Park
issue back to the committee due to Judd De Boer and Molly Eldredge's complaints at the last council
meeting. Chair informed committee that she had met with Molly Eldredge, Kathy Rake, and Laurie
Simplot-Braun to discuss the committee's last recommendation to council. Chair found that Eldredge
does not oppose playground equipment in Mill Park, just the proposed location. In addition, Chair
informed committee that Rake, and Simplot-Braun are willing to work with a different location as long as
it is in Mill Park. After Committee discussed location and De Boer's complaint of noise which was
discussed at length during the committee's November 16, 1992 meeting Martens moved to recommend
council approve the placement of playground equipment in Mill Park with the committee reviewing
final construction plans prior to installation, and when the equipment is dedicated to the city that
the city accept full responsibility and maintenance. Finally, committee recommends council create a
special account to hold monies raised. Seconded by Killen and the motion carried.
V. ICE SKATING ON PAYETTE LAKE NEAR LEGACY PARK.
Martens informed committee that he was approached by Everett and Bonnie Dick who are in
charge of creating a Skating Rink for Winter Carnival. In addition Martens informed the committee that
Everett and Bonnie Dick are thinking of keeping the skating rink open for a longer term than just Winter
Carnival. Committee discussed the proposed rink and had no objections as long as no city funds, time, or
equipment is used. Chair asked staff to contact Dan Wiberg and investigate what is being proposed for a
skating rink to help open communications between the city and the carnival committee and report back to
the Parks and Recreation Committee.
VI. SPECIAL MASTER PLAN MEETING - JANUARY 11, 1993 - 4:00PM
To be held at Chair Grote's house.
VII. NEXT REGULAR PARKS AND RECREATION MEETING.
January 18, 1993 - 7:30pm in the Council Chambers.
Troop 246
P. O. Box 1538
McCall, Idaho 83638-1538
Boy Scouts of America
Ore-Ida Council
Daniel Burton, Senior Patrol Leader
Mary Fairman, Committee Chair
November 27, 1992
The Mayor and Council
The Park & Recreation Commission
City of McCall
P. O. Box 1065
McCall, ID 83638
Re: Our use of Art Roberts Park
Dear City Officials:
As you will recall, last Winter Carnival you let us use
Art Roberts Park for our Carnival Booth. With our thank-you
letter last February we sent you a check for the estimated
cost of electricity we used.
In that letter we requested permission to use the same
location this coming Winter Carnival 1993. Happily the
overhead wires which posed some risk to our flagpoles have
been removed, and other electrical modifications have been
made that will improve this booth location. Please consider
this letter a renewal of that request.
We will again be cooperating in staging the Youth
Torchlight Parade.
Very truly yours,
TROOP 246
Daniel Burton
Senior Patrol Leader
MarF/Fairman -
Troop Committee Chair
IDAHO
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December 5, 1992
McCall City Council
McCall, Idaho 83638
Dear Council Members:
We are again in the throes of planning the Idaho Snow Sculpting Championship.
1993 will be our Seventh Annual event and each year it grows better. Much
of the credit, of course, goes to the City of McCall, without whose help
this fine artistic experience would not be possible.
This letter is our formal request for your continuing cooperation. We request
use of Legacy Park, as we did last year. Enclosed is a sketch showing how
we propose to place the sculptures to avoid damage to the grass in the park.
As previously, we plan to construct the snow blocks the day before the start
of the competition, specifically Monday, February 1, 1993. We are limiting
the number of teams to fifteen and have, with the help of the city tractor
providing and dumping the snow, been able to construct that number of blocks
in an eight hour period. All other labor required for snow block construction
will be provided by our group.
As the sculptures begin to emerge from the blocks, there is significant
excess snow and it would be really helpful if the city could clear that
excess snow on a daily basis to keep the site safer and more appealing to
the viewers. Last year we used water and electricity from the City bathrooms
in the park and hope we can count on doing that again.
May we also use this letter to request permission from the city to have
a food concession in Legacy Park throughout the Carnival. This is an ideal
place for such a concession and, hopefully, the Championship might defray
some costs with the profits from the concession. No individual would profit
from a food booth in the park.
Your consideration of all of the above will be greatly appreciated.
look forward to your response.
Hal SagerF PreSident
IDAHO SNOW SCULPTING CHAMPIONSHIP
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P.O.BOX ~739 -- McCAtl,, IDA}tO 83638
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To: Mayor Smith, city council
Re: Playground at Mill Park
December 21, 1992
On December 19th per your instruction, the park committee met to review our previous recom-
mendation to you to allow a privately funded playground in Mill Park. An account of that discussion
is in the park committee minutes included in your December 29th council packet.
I write this letter to you because the committee feels that this issue needs your immediate atten-
tion. We had not intended to meet in December, but called a special meeting when you turned the
project back to us because we believe this generous offer will be withdrawn if the fundraisers don't
get a green light soon.
The park committee resubmits its motion urging you to commit to a playground in Mill Park.
However, the words "at the location shown on the plans" in the original motion have been deleted.
At the council meeting in which the proposal was first submitted to you, you heard opposition
from members of the McCall Music Society and from Judd DeBoer of Mill Park Condominiums.
In regard to Judd's concerns, the park board considered them carefully before we made our first
decision to recommend approval to you. We sympathize with Judd's wish to preserve Mill Park as a
quiet place. But the park master plan will include plenty of places of solitude that will fill that need,
including the railroad right of way pathway. We assured Judd's representative that every effort will
be made to craft the project to minimize its impact on Mill Park Condos. When we weighed the
benefits of the project against Judd's concerns, the goal of increasing the daily use of Mill Park won.
Molly Eldridge, who represented the McCall Music Society, has told me that she has no objec-
tion to a playground being in Mill Park, only to the location the proponents chose. Conversely, Lori
Simplot-Braun and Kathy Rake have told me that they insist only on the playground being in Mill
Park not on a specific location. They chose the one in the plans primarily for the ease of excavation.
We have a very do-able deal here, if you'll just commit only to placing playground equipment in
Mill Park, leaving all the details including location to be worked out among the park board and all
interested parties. I have read the reworded motion to both the fundraisers and to Molly Eldridge.
They both told me they would support it. That leaves us with Judd, who appears to be fairly uncondi-
tional on the matter. I'm hopeful that if the project proceeds, Judd will assist us in its design and I'm
confident that we can achieve some compromises that will make the idea more palatable than he
perceives, at this point.
You have before you two women who have made us a rare and extremely generous offer, but
justifiably have strings attached. If you approve the motion we've submitted to you, they will begin
fundraising immediately. If you delay or deny your approval, they will likely withdraw the offer.
Given the consensus I've managed to achieve between the two citizen interests, I think I've elimi-
nated as much opposition for you as I can. I urge you to turn on the green light.
R lly submitted,
cc: Molly El~fi:Fffge, Judd DeBoer, Kathy Rake, Lori Simplot-Braun