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HomeMy Public PortalAboutP&RAC Minutes 1992 03/30PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES MARCH 30, 1992 I. ATTENDANCE: Kathy Killen, Chair Dean Martens Tomi Grote Bud Schmidt, Administrator Craig Baker, Recreation Director Larry Stevens Ron Gwartney LouAnn Gwartney II. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLE CALL: 7:30pm III. APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 25, 1992 MEETING MINUTES. After review Grote moved to accept minutes as written. Martens seconded and motion carried unopposed. IV. EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT - LARRY STEVENS Mr. Stevens expressed his desire to build the pavilion included in Lakefront Park's master plan and the parks picnic tables. At this time Mr. Stevens has done the following research. 1. Met with Andy Laidlaw who has agreed to do the architectural drawings and plans for Mr. Stevens. At no cost to the city. 2. Met with Mr. Dan Cantrell, a local contractor, who has committed to helping oversee the project. 3. Met with local lumber yards who will contribute some of the needed building supplies and a Boise lumber yard who will contribute the remaining supplies. Mr. Stevens went on to ask that the City of McCall to purchase 4 or 5 sets of steel picnic table legs. After discussion concerning design, materials list including sponsors check list, labor contributors, and time schedule; Martens moved to recommend to the Council that Mr. Stevens be allowed to move ahead in design concept with the knowledge that he will be working with Mr. Laidlaw and Mr. Cantrell and come back to the committee with a final design, materials list including dedicated lumber donors, dedicated labor contributors, time schedule with construction to begin and end before July 4, or begin after Labor Day weekend. Grote Seconded and motion carried unopposed. V. SHAVED ICE SHACKS IN PARKS - RON & LOUANN GWARTNEY Mr. Gwartney presented his desire to locate small wood Shaved Ice Shacks in city parks. Committee discussed with staff the time frame needed to develop a bid to proposal for having a vendor in city parks. ****** Chair with consent of the committee moved to defer development of a request for proposal to the September Parks and Recreation meeting. VI. FINANCIAL REPORT - ATTACHED. VII. STAFF REPORTS A. Administrator 1. Railroad - A letter has been sent to the school and they have not replied at this time. 2. Hoyle - City has hired an appraiser an should have an appraisal in the near future. 3. Letter from Timothy C. Duffner - Attachment "B" City has all ownership of the new park, Department of Lands does not have any claim. 4. Lakefront Park - Due to road load limits hauling dirt at this time is infeasible, as soon as the limits are lifted the city crew will begin work. Some trees have been delivered to the new park and are being cared for. 5. City has acquired the bouncing ball lights that the state donated and installation is on list of city crew projects. This will remove several poles in the Lake/3rd intersection and improve park aesthetics. B. Recreation Director 1. Water Ways Improvement Fund grant application for "No Wake Zone" buoys has been completed and sent into State Parks and Recreation Department. 2. Recreation Department has completed its move to a new 3. Youth Basketball will be ending mid April. 4. Pro Scout Baseball Clinic was a big success and it is hopeful they will return next year to repeat the program. The program was a small financial liability and fees next year will be adjusted. 5. Director to meet with new owner of the Bowling alley to determine the feasibility of having another youth bowling league. office. VIII. OLD BUSINESS A. MASTER PLAN 1. Tomi Grote's Parks and Recreation Goal statement Attachment C. After discussion committee decide to accept the following Park's and Recreation Goal Statement for its master plan. The City of McCall will provide a package of park and recreation amenities that contributes to the health and well-being of its citizens by inviting them to adopt an active life-style and at the same time attracts visitor to the city. 2. Staff provided committee with draft of parks and recreation objectives. After discussion committee decided to name two separate sets of objectives; a. Park and Recreation Facilities Objectives b. Park and Recreation Services Objectives Committee will review the staff generated objectives and be ready to complete the two lists at its next meeting. B. DAVIS STREET PLAN - TOMI GROTE ATTACHMENT After review and discussion concerning the utility of Old Golfcourse Clubhouse, Ice skating rings past and future, selling selected parcels, and the need for restrooms if Fairway park is sold, Martens suggested that the committee needs to complete the development of its goal statement, objectives and strategies and then look at all the pieces of park property in the city to find which package fits best. Chair with consent of the committee accepted this plan. C. CRANE IN LAKE Grote to investigate current plans of crane owners, and report at next meeting. IX. NEW BUSINESS A. Spring tour of McCall Park Facilities Date set for Saturday May 2, 1992 at 9:OOam. X. NEXT MEETING Monday, April 27, 7:OOpm New Council Chamber. XI. ADJOURNMENT - 10:30pm Respectfully Submitted Kathy Killen, Chair NOTE: Recreation Director will be getting married on the date set for the spring tour of park facilities and will not be available. Director however will most likely be available Sunday, May 2. PROJECT -TO -DATE REPORT v of McCall, Idaho PAGE: 1 DATE: 03/31/92 G.L. PROJECT BUDGET PROJECT -TO -DATE PROJECT BALANCE oJECT: 001 Lakefront Park REVENUES 152.000 Parks 320-152.000-331.000 320-152.000-335.000 320-152.000-372.000 320-152.000-374.000 320-152.000-376.000 320-152.000-376.010 320-152.000-380.000 320-152.000-392.100 EXPENDITURES 152.000 Parks 320-152.000-442.000 320-152.000-442.200 320-152.000-471.000 320-152.000-471.010 320-152.000-471.020 320-152.000-471.030 320-152.000-471.040 320-152.000-471.050 320-152.000-471.060 320-152.000-472.010 ' 320-152.000-472.020 320-152.000-473.000 320-152.000-473.010 320-152.000-473.020 320-152.000-473.050 320-152.000-480.000 320-152.000-490.100 and other Federal Grants State Grants Rents and Royalties Sale of Surplus Property Private Contributions/Donation Brian Chapman Memorial Fund Cash Over (Short) Proceeds from Bond Sales Parks REVENUES Professional Engineering Land Land - Land - Land - Land - Land - Land - Stein Roadway RestrOOmS - Lakefront Park Picnic Shelter - Mill Park Improvements Other than Bldg Paving - General Paving - Bikepaths Library Courtyard Debt Service Management Transfer Services Gentry Parcel Cenutry 21 Parcel Railroad Right of way Chitwood. Section State Section Parks EXPENDITURES 0.00 80,000.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 1,100,000.00 1,180,000.00 1,180,000.00 0.00 57,500.00 425,000.00 60,000.00 25,000.00 150,000.00 20,000.00 15,000.00 20,000.00 70,000.00 20,000.00 75,000.00 84,300.00 114,000.00 7,000.00 0.00 37,200.00 1,180,000.00 1,180,000.00 0.00 44,050.00 0.00 0.00 30,250.00 265.00 0.00 1,100,010.35 1,174,575.35 1,174,575.35 34,840.13 73,023.14 467,140.91 114,096.50 30,240.36 8,900.00 26,000.00 2.00 6.00 46,105.95 0.00 97,319.25 5,169.00 0.00 0.00 9,576.73 37,200.00 949,619.97 949,619.97 0.00 35,950.00 0.00 0.00 -30,250.00 -265.00 0.00 -10.35 5,424.65 5,424.65 - 34,840.13 - 15,523.14 -42,140.91 - 54,096.50 -5,240.36 141,100.00 -6,000.00 14,998.00 19,994.00 23,894.05 20,000.00 -22,319.25 79,131.00 114,000.00 7,000.00 -9,576.73 0.00 230,380.03 230,380.03 STANLEY F. HAMILTON DIRECTOR March 26, 1992 Arthur J. Schmidt City of McCall P.O. Box 1065 McCall, ID 83638 Dear Bud: PAYETTE LAKES AREA OFFICE P.O. BOX AS McCALL, IDAHO 83638-2544 (208) 634-7125 As per your request we have reviewed records and aerial photos of Payette Lake for any other fills over lakebed between the Sportsman Restaurant and Mill Park. The oldest photo we could find was taken in 1947. It appears that between 1947 and 1985 the shoreline in fact moved upland and no evidence of filled lakebed could be found. We feel that the City has all ownership to the current shoreline and no need exists for a survey or quit claim deed. Sincerely TIMOTHY C. DUFFNER Lands & Range Specialist TCD/sk KEEP IDAHO GREEN PREVENT WILDFIRE Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd. Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons In our last meeting, Bud asked us to begin constructing an esoteric goal for our master plan — not like the Ten Commandments, which are strategies to win God's favor, but like God itself. He gave it a try and I liked some of his concepts. Here for your consideration, I combine those I liked with a few of my own: Wordy Goal Statement that includes strategies even though we're not supposed to: The City of McCall should contribute to the health and well-being of citizens and visitors of all ages with a park and recreation system that is safe, well -maintained, efficiently administered, accessible, guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment and which cooperates with federal and state agencies in providing a package of amenities that attracts visitors and invites the city's residents to adopt an active lifestyle. Intent of terms: safe, well -maintained: this is first in the order of business because the maintenance and the services needed to preserve the citizens' existing investment and to guarantee the safety of our existing parks is top priority. No expansion of the city's park system should be considered if it will impair the city's ability to perform these basic services. efficiently administered: I elevated this from a strategy to a goal because I think accountability in all forms of public business must be dignified as being just as lofty an ambition as any other we might adopt in this goal statement. I don't view the term "administration" as a thumb on the city's park and recreation employees. I see it as applying to all people and bodies concerned with the operation of the city's park and recreation program —including the park board and the city council. accessible: parks that are too crowded are not accessible. Park locations and designs that favor one group of citizens over another or impair groups of citizens in enjoying the amenity are not acces- sible. guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment: this is self-explana- tory cooperates with federal and state agencies: in striving toward our goals, we must always keep in mind the symbiotic relationship we have and the common ground we share with those who are trying to accomplish the same goals on a state and federal level. package of amenities that attracts visitors and invites the city's residents to adopt an active lifestyle. I dislike stronger terms, such as "encourage" and "foster", because they smack of social engineering. People who want to adopt an active lifestyle should have the facilities and services to do it. It is not the taxpayer's responsibility to "encourage" a couch potato to change, and I would not like that kind of responsibility to be implied in our charter. Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd. Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons Goal statement with the kind of simplicity that makes my socks roll up and down: The City of McCall should provide a package of park and recreation amenities that contributes to the health and well-being of citizens by inviting them to adopt an active lifestyle and at the same time attracts visitors to the city . Stategies: safe, well -maintained: the above goal is not accomplished if the citizens' existing investment is not preserved and the safety of our existing parks is not guaranteed. No expansion of the city's park system should be considered if it will impair the city's ability to perform these basic services. efficiently administered: the above goal is not accomplished if the parks are not efficiently admin- istered. I don't view the term "administration" as a thumb on the city's park and recreation employees. I see it as applying to all people and bodies concerned with the operation of the city's park and recreation program —including the park board and the city council. accessible: the above goal is not accomplished if the parks are too crowded and are not accessible. Park locations and designs that favor one group of citizens over another or impair groups of citizens in enjoying the amenity are not accessible. guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment: the above goal is not accomplished if this is not a fundamental strategy. cooperates with federal and state agencies: the above goal is not accomplished if in striving toward our goal, we fail to keep in mind the symbiotic relationship we have and the common ground we share with those who are trying to accomplish the same goals on a state and federal level. OBJECTIVES: (FORMERLY GOALS IN PLAN) I. TO DEVELOP A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY PARK AND RECREATION SITES THAT PROVIDE A POSITIVE IMAGE, SAFE AND PLEASANT EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS AND LOCAL CITIZENS. II. TO DEVELOP, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE AND EXPAND ACCESSES AND VIEWS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC USE OF PAYETTE LAKE AND PAYETTE RIVER. III. TO PROVIDE A TRAIL/TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WHICH LINKS FACILITIES USED BY CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO MCCALL. IV. TO PROVIDE AND PLAN FOR NATURAL AREAS IN THE CITY OF MCCALL TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS AND TO CREATE A PLEASING ATMOSPHERE FOR VISITORS. V. TO RECOGNIZE THAT PARK AND RECREATION AND SERVICES ARE NOT SELF-SUPPORTING. THESE SITES AND SERVICES ARE VALUABLE TO VISITORS AND RESIDENTS OF MCCALL. VI. TO MAINTAIN SAFE PARK AND RECREATION SITES AT THE LEVEL CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGH QUALITY IMAGE THAT THE MCCALL COMMUNITY WISHES TO PROJECT. VII. TO PROVIDE THE RECREATIONAL USER WITH A QUALITY EXPERIENCE BY MINIMIZING THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN DIFFERING RECREATIONAL USES. RECREATION OBJECTIVES OBJECTIVES I. To maintain year round community based recreation programs promoting lifetime sports and recreational activities. II. To continually change and expand programs as facilities are provided. III. To provide recreational opportunities that promote group interaction, good health, social, mental and skill development. IV. To provide recreational opportunities for all age groups. V. To provide role figures that pass the message don't do drugs or abuse alcohol to community youth. VI. To recognize that recreation services are not self-supporting. This service is valuable to community members and visitors. VII. To promote tourism in McCall by providing activities and special events which draw visitors to the area. Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd• Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons Fellow Park & Rec board members and staff Re: Tomi's Davis Street Proposal March 26, 1992 Premise: It is my guess that in the next five years, the fate of the old golf course clubhouse and McCall's need for regulation softball fields will take priority in the public's mind even over the second phase of the lakefront park. I'm also nervous that if we do not formulate a position on this property while we are in the master planning process and have a little breathing room to think care- fully about it, we will be forced into a crisis recommendation at the hands of an insurance company. Therefore, I put forward a proposal for discussion as part of our master plan revisions: The attached map spells out the features of what I consider to be a feasible and saleable approach to Davis Street. In summary, I agree with Bud that Fairway Park should be sold to finance regulation softball fields at the more attractive and more remote riverfront park site. I argue that if a wintertime use for the old clubhouse can be found, and if the golf course is interested in leasing the building in the summer for tournament spillover, snack and restroom facilities, the citizen of McCall will benefit more if the old golf course clubhouse and the property it sits on is retained as a park site rather than sold at public auction. I suggest that such a wintertime use can be an ice skating rink. Prior to our meeting Monday, I ask you all to consider this plan. If we can agree it is worth pursuing, I recommend that we urge the city council to direct the staff to provide further research on city -run ice skating programs that include warming facilities and skate rentals. Then I suggest we urge the council to authorize us to draw a preliminary contract for a vendor, advertise it and see if anybody out there in private business thinks an ice skating program of this nature can go. If we hoist this grandiose idea and nobody salutes, then we are finally prepared to honestly evaluate what kind of ice skating program we're willing to provide, if any. We can write our conclusion into our master plan AND GET THIS NAGGING ISSUE OFF THE AGENDA! As food for thought, I have attached my own theory about the potential of an ice skating program in McCall. If no self-supporting use for the clubhouse can be found, then I lean toward selling the site and investing the money in more visible park amenities. Even if the building is torn down (a terrible thing to do to a perfectly useful building), the cost of maintaining the site —added to the escalating costs of the park improvements to which we could immediately apply the funds —will likely erase any appreciation we would see in the land value over time. Tomi Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd. Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons Tomi's Davis Street Proposal-2 Features of the plan: • Existing Fairway Park is sold to gain matching grant funds to construct regulation softball fields at riverfront park. Buyer agrees to delay closing until the riverfront facilities are ready for use or executes a lease agreement with the city for softball facilities which expires when the riverfront park is ready to use. • Water and sewer is restored to old clubhouse, which will be leased to a concessionaire to run as a weekend lodge and ice skating rink in winter, as a spillover and restroom facility for the golf course and for fee -based use for family reunions, church gatherings, etc. in summer. • Grounds to north of clubhouse are converted to a tennis court (or kids' play yard), parking for Davis Beach users, ice skaters/cross-country skiers and clubhouse users. • The ice rink area could be a grassy picnic area in summer, where the public could hold family reunions and church socials, with the clubhouse available for weather protection and as a catering facility. • Plan offers opportunity to use existing construction (clubhouse) for a multitude of purposes, the most important of which is retaining restroom facilities at the northwest edge of the golf course and the possibility of encouraging expanded winter use of the golf course by ice skaters and cross- country skiers. Since cross-country skiers are not now prohibited from using the course, I'm assum- ing that the golf community has no problem with this use or the expansion of it. • Plan calls for fee financed operation of the old clubhouse. The golf course stands to benefit the most from the restrooms and sorely needed tournament spillover facilities. The park and recreation department has seen a persistent interest in ice skating. By keeping the clubhouse rather than tearing it down or selling the site, we're in a position to add considerably to McCall's recreational amenity package at very little out-of-pocket cost. The plan should be judged on whether those added ameni- ties have more value than proceeds from the sale of the clubhouse site.