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MINUTES
MARCH 30, 1992
I. ATTENDANCE: Kathy Killen, Chair
Dean Martens
Tomi Grote
Bud Schmidt, Administrator
Craig Baker, Recreation Director
Larry Stevens
Ron Gwartney
LouAnn Gwartney
II. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLE CALL: 7:30pm
III. APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 25, 1992 MEETING MINUTES.
After review Grote moved to accept minutes as written.
Martens seconded and motion carried unopposed.
IV. EAGLE SCOUT PROJECT - LARRY STEVENS
Mr. Stevens expressed his desire to build the pavilion
included in Lakefront Park's master plan and the parks picnic tables.
At this time Mr. Stevens has done the following research.
1. Met with Andy Laidlaw who has agreed to do the
architectural drawings and plans for Mr. Stevens. At no cost to the
city.
2. Met with Mr. Dan Cantrell, a local contractor, who
has committed to helping oversee the project.
3. Met with local lumber yards who will contribute some
of the needed building supplies and a Boise lumber yard who will
contribute the remaining supplies.
Mr. Stevens went on to ask that the City of McCall
to purchase 4 or 5 sets of steel picnic table legs.
After discussion concerning design, materials list including
sponsors check list, labor contributors, and time schedule;
Martens moved to recommend to the Council that Mr. Stevens be
allowed to move ahead in design concept with the knowledge that he will
be working with Mr. Laidlaw and Mr. Cantrell and come back to the
committee with a final design, materials list including dedicated
lumber donors, dedicated labor contributors, time schedule with
construction to begin and end before July 4, or begin after Labor Day
weekend. Grote Seconded and motion carried unopposed.
V. SHAVED ICE SHACKS IN PARKS - RON & LOUANN GWARTNEY
Mr. Gwartney presented his desire to locate small wood Shaved
Ice Shacks in city parks. Committee discussed with staff the time
frame needed to develop a bid to proposal for having a vendor in city
parks.
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Chair with consent of the committee moved to defer development
of a request for proposal to the September Parks and Recreation meeting.
VI. FINANCIAL REPORT - ATTACHED.
VII. STAFF REPORTS
A. Administrator
1. Railroad - A letter has been sent to the school and they
have not replied at this time.
2. Hoyle - City has hired an appraiser an should have an
appraisal in the near future.
3. Letter from Timothy C. Duffner - Attachment "B"
City has all ownership of the new park, Department
of Lands does not have any claim.
4. Lakefront Park - Due to road load limits hauling dirt at
this time is infeasible, as soon as the limits are lifted the city crew
will begin work. Some trees have been delivered to the new park and are
being cared for.
5. City has acquired the bouncing ball lights that the state
donated and installation is on list of city crew projects. This will
remove several poles in the Lake/3rd intersection and improve park
aesthetics.
B. Recreation Director
1. Water Ways Improvement Fund grant application for "No Wake
Zone" buoys has been completed and sent into State Parks and Recreation
Department.
2. Recreation Department has completed its move to a new
3. Youth Basketball will be ending mid April.
4. Pro Scout Baseball Clinic was a big success and it is
hopeful they will return next year to repeat the program. The program
was a small financial liability and fees next year will be adjusted.
5. Director to meet with new owner of the Bowling alley to
determine the feasibility of having another youth bowling league.
office.
VIII. OLD BUSINESS
A. MASTER PLAN
1. Tomi Grote's Parks and Recreation Goal statement
Attachment C. After discussion committee decide to accept the
following Park's and Recreation Goal Statement for its master plan.
The City of McCall will provide a package of park and recreation
amenities that contributes to the health and well-being of its citizens
by inviting them to adopt an active life-style and at the same time
attracts visitor to the city.
2. Staff provided committee with draft of parks and
recreation objectives. After discussion committee decided to name two
separate sets of objectives;
a. Park and Recreation Facilities Objectives
b. Park and Recreation Services Objectives
Committee will review the staff generated objectives and be
ready to complete the two lists at its next meeting.
B. DAVIS STREET PLAN - TOMI GROTE ATTACHMENT
After review and discussion concerning the utility of Old
Golfcourse Clubhouse, Ice skating rings past and future, selling
selected parcels, and the need for restrooms if Fairway park is sold,
Martens suggested that the committee needs to complete the development
of its goal statement, objectives and strategies and then look at all
the pieces of park property in the city to find which package fits best.
Chair with consent of the committee accepted this plan.
C. CRANE IN LAKE
Grote to investigate current plans of crane owners, and report
at next meeting.
IX. NEW BUSINESS
A. Spring tour of McCall Park Facilities
Date set for Saturday May 2, 1992 at 9:OOam.
X. NEXT MEETING
Monday, April 27, 7:OOpm New Council Chamber.
XI. ADJOURNMENT - 10:30pm
Respectfully Submitted
Kathy Killen,
Chair
NOTE: Recreation Director will be getting
married on the date set for the spring tour
of park facilities and will not be available.
Director however will most likely be available
Sunday, May 2.
PROJECT -TO -DATE REPORT
v of McCall, Idaho
PAGE: 1
DATE: 03/31/92
G.L.
PROJECT BUDGET PROJECT -TO -DATE PROJECT BALANCE
oJECT: 001 Lakefront Park
REVENUES
152.000 Parks
320-152.000-331.000
320-152.000-335.000
320-152.000-372.000
320-152.000-374.000
320-152.000-376.000
320-152.000-376.010
320-152.000-380.000
320-152.000-392.100
EXPENDITURES
152.000 Parks
320-152.000-442.000
320-152.000-442.200
320-152.000-471.000
320-152.000-471.010
320-152.000-471.020
320-152.000-471.030
320-152.000-471.040
320-152.000-471.050
320-152.000-471.060
320-152.000-472.010
' 320-152.000-472.020
320-152.000-473.000
320-152.000-473.010
320-152.000-473.020
320-152.000-473.050
320-152.000-480.000
320-152.000-490.100
and other
Federal Grants
State Grants
Rents and Royalties
Sale of Surplus Property
Private Contributions/Donation
Brian Chapman Memorial Fund
Cash Over (Short)
Proceeds from Bond Sales
Parks
REVENUES
Professional
Engineering
Land
Land -
Land -
Land -
Land -
Land -
Land - Stein Roadway
RestrOOmS - Lakefront Park
Picnic Shelter - Mill Park
Improvements Other than Bldg
Paving - General
Paving - Bikepaths
Library Courtyard
Debt Service
Management Transfer
Services
Gentry Parcel
Cenutry 21 Parcel
Railroad Right of way
Chitwood. Section
State Section
Parks
EXPENDITURES
0.00
80,000.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
0.00
1,100,000.00
1,180,000.00
1,180,000.00
0.00
57,500.00
425,000.00
60,000.00
25,000.00
150,000.00
20,000.00
15,000.00
20,000.00
70,000.00
20,000.00
75,000.00
84,300.00
114,000.00
7,000.00
0.00
37,200.00
1,180,000.00
1,180,000.00
0.00
44,050.00
0.00
0.00
30,250.00
265.00
0.00
1,100,010.35
1,174,575.35
1,174,575.35
34,840.13
73,023.14
467,140.91
114,096.50
30,240.36
8,900.00
26,000.00
2.00
6.00
46,105.95
0.00
97,319.25
5,169.00
0.00
0.00
9,576.73
37,200.00
949,619.97
949,619.97
0.00
35,950.00
0.00
0.00
-30,250.00
-265.00
0.00
-10.35
5,424.65
5,424.65
- 34,840.13
- 15,523.14
-42,140.91
- 54,096.50
-5,240.36
141,100.00
-6,000.00
14,998.00
19,994.00
23,894.05
20,000.00
-22,319.25
79,131.00
114,000.00
7,000.00
-9,576.73
0.00
230,380.03
230,380.03
STANLEY F. HAMILTON
DIRECTOR
March 26, 1992
Arthur J. Schmidt
City of McCall
P.O. Box 1065
McCall, ID 83638
Dear Bud:
PAYETTE LAKES AREA OFFICE
P.O. BOX AS
McCALL, IDAHO 83638-2544
(208) 634-7125
As per your request we have reviewed records and aerial photos
of Payette Lake for any other fills over lakebed between the
Sportsman Restaurant and Mill Park. The oldest photo we could
find was taken in 1947. It appears that between 1947 and 1985
the shoreline in fact moved upland and no evidence of filled
lakebed could be found.
We feel that the City has all ownership to the current
shoreline and no need exists for a survey or quit claim deed.
Sincerely
TIMOTHY C. DUFFNER
Lands & Range Specialist
TCD/sk
KEEP IDAHO GREEN
PREVENT WILDFIRE
Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd.
Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons
In our last meeting, Bud asked us to begin constructing an esoteric goal for our master plan —
not like the Ten Commandments, which are strategies to win God's favor, but like God itself. He
gave it a try and I liked some of his concepts. Here for your consideration, I combine those I liked
with a few of my own:
Wordy Goal Statement that includes strategies even though we're not supposed to:
The City of McCall should contribute to the health and well-being of citizens and visitors of all ages
with a park and recreation system that is safe, well -maintained, efficiently administered, accessible,
guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment and which cooperates
with federal and state agencies in providing a package of amenities that attracts visitors and invites
the city's residents to adopt an active lifestyle.
Intent of terms:
safe, well -maintained: this is first in the order of business because the maintenance and the services
needed to preserve the citizens' existing investment and to guarantee the safety of our existing parks
is top priority. No expansion of the city's park system should be considered if it will impair the
city's ability to perform these basic services.
efficiently administered: I elevated this from a strategy to a goal because I think accountability in
all forms of public business must be dignified as being just as lofty an ambition as any other we
might adopt in this goal statement. I don't view the term "administration" as a thumb on the city's
park and recreation employees. I see it as applying to all people and bodies concerned with the
operation of the city's park and recreation program —including the park board and the city council.
accessible: parks that are too crowded are not accessible. Park locations and designs that favor one
group of citizens over another or impair groups of citizens in enjoying the amenity are not acces-
sible.
guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment: this is self-explana-
tory
cooperates with federal and state agencies: in striving toward our goals, we must always keep in
mind the symbiotic relationship we have and the common ground we share with those who are trying
to accomplish the same goals on a state and federal level.
package of amenities that attracts visitors and invites the city's residents to adopt an active
lifestyle. I dislike stronger terms, such as "encourage" and "foster", because they smack of social
engineering. People who want to adopt an active lifestyle should have the facilities and services to
do it. It is not the taxpayer's responsibility to "encourage" a couch potato to change, and I would not
like that kind of responsibility to be implied in our charter.
Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd.
Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons
Goal statement with the kind of simplicity that makes my socks roll up and down:
The City of McCall should provide a package of park and recreation amenities that contributes to
the health and well-being of citizens by inviting them to adopt an active lifestyle and at the same time
attracts visitors to the city .
Stategies:
safe, well -maintained: the above goal is not accomplished if the citizens' existing investment is not
preserved and the safety of our existing parks is not guaranteed. No expansion of the city's park
system should be considered if it will impair the city's ability to perform these basic services.
efficiently administered: the above goal is not accomplished if the parks are not efficiently admin-
istered. I don't view the term "administration" as a thumb on the city's park and recreation
employees. I see it as applying to all people and bodies concerned with the operation of the city's
park and recreation program —including the park board and the city council.
accessible: the above goal is not accomplished if the parks are too crowded and are not accessible.
Park locations and designs that favor one group of citizens over another or impair groups of citizens
in enjoying the amenity are not accessible.
guarantees public access to the splendor of the city's natural environment: the above goal is not
accomplished if this is not a fundamental strategy.
cooperates with federal and state agencies: the above goal is not accomplished if in striving
toward our goal, we fail to keep in mind the symbiotic relationship we have and the common ground
we share with those who are trying to accomplish the same goals on a state and federal level.
OBJECTIVES: (FORMERLY GOALS IN PLAN)
I. TO DEVELOP A VARIETY OF COMMUNITY PARK AND RECREATION
SITES THAT PROVIDE A POSITIVE IMAGE, SAFE AND PLEASANT
EXPERIENCE FOR VISITORS AND LOCAL CITIZENS.
II. TO DEVELOP, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE AND EXPAND ACCESSES
AND VIEWS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC USE OF PAYETTE LAKE AND PAYETTE
RIVER.
III. TO PROVIDE A TRAIL/TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WHICH LINKS
FACILITIES USED BY CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO MCCALL.
IV. TO PROVIDE AND PLAN FOR NATURAL AREAS IN THE CITY OF
MCCALL TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS AND
TO CREATE A PLEASING ATMOSPHERE FOR VISITORS.
V. TO RECOGNIZE THAT PARK AND RECREATION AND SERVICES
ARE NOT SELF-SUPPORTING. THESE SITES AND SERVICES ARE
VALUABLE TO VISITORS AND RESIDENTS OF MCCALL.
VI. TO MAINTAIN SAFE PARK AND RECREATION SITES AT THE
LEVEL CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGH QUALITY IMAGE THAT THE
MCCALL COMMUNITY WISHES TO PROJECT.
VII. TO PROVIDE THE RECREATIONAL USER WITH A QUALITY
EXPERIENCE BY MINIMIZING THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN DIFFERING
RECREATIONAL USES.
RECREATION OBJECTIVES
OBJECTIVES
I. To maintain year round community based recreation programs
promoting lifetime sports and recreational activities.
II. To continually change and expand programs as facilities are
provided.
III. To provide recreational opportunities that promote group
interaction, good health, social, mental and skill development.
IV. To provide recreational opportunities for all age groups.
V. To provide role figures that pass the message don't do drugs or
abuse alcohol to community youth.
VI. To recognize that recreation services are not self-supporting.
This service is valuable to community members and visitors.
VII. To promote tourism in McCall by providing activities and special
events which draw visitors to the area.
Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd•
Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons
Fellow Park & Rec board members and staff
Re: Tomi's Davis Street Proposal
March 26, 1992
Premise: It is my guess that in the next five years, the fate of the old golf course clubhouse and
McCall's need for regulation softball fields will take priority in the public's mind even over the
second phase of the lakefront park. I'm also nervous that if we do not formulate a position on this
property while we are in the master planning process and have a little breathing room to think care-
fully about it, we will be forced into a crisis recommendation at the hands of an insurance company.
Therefore, I put forward a proposal for discussion as part of our master plan revisions:
The attached map spells out the features of what I consider to be a feasible and saleable
approach to Davis Street. In summary, I agree with Bud that Fairway Park should be sold
to finance regulation softball fields at the more attractive and more remote riverfront park
site. I argue that if a wintertime use for the old clubhouse can be found, and if the golf
course is interested in leasing the building in the summer for tournament spillover, snack
and restroom facilities, the citizen of McCall will benefit more if the old golf course
clubhouse and the property it sits on is retained as a park site rather than sold at public
auction. I suggest that such a wintertime use can be an ice skating rink.
Prior to our meeting Monday, I ask you all to consider this plan. If we can agree it is worth pursuing,
I recommend that we urge the city council to direct the staff to provide further research on city -run
ice skating programs that include warming facilities and skate rentals. Then I suggest we urge the
council to authorize us to draw a preliminary contract for a vendor, advertise it and see if anybody
out there in private business thinks an ice skating program of this nature can go. If we hoist this
grandiose idea and nobody salutes, then we are finally prepared to honestly evaluate what kind of ice
skating program we're willing to provide, if any. We can write our conclusion into our master plan
AND GET THIS NAGGING ISSUE OFF THE AGENDA!
As food for thought, I have attached my own theory about the potential of an ice skating program in
McCall.
If no self-supporting use for the clubhouse can be found, then I lean toward selling the site and
investing the money in more visible park amenities. Even if the building is torn down (a terrible
thing to do to a perfectly useful building), the cost of maintaining the site —added to the escalating
costs of the park improvements to which we could immediately apply the funds —will likely erase
any appreciation we would see in the land value over time.
Tomi
Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd.
Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons
Tomi's Davis Street Proposal-2
Features of the plan:
• Existing Fairway Park is sold to gain matching grant funds to construct regulation softball fields at
riverfront park. Buyer agrees to delay closing until the riverfront facilities are ready for use or
executes a lease agreement with the city for softball facilities which expires when the riverfront park
is ready to use.
• Water and sewer is restored to old clubhouse, which will be leased to a concessionaire to run as a
weekend lodge and ice skating rink in winter, as a spillover and restroom facility for the golf course
and for fee -based use for family reunions, church gatherings, etc. in summer.
• Grounds to north of clubhouse are converted to a tennis court (or kids' play yard), parking for
Davis Beach users, ice skaters/cross-country skiers and clubhouse users.
• The ice rink area could be a grassy picnic area in summer, where the public could hold family
reunions and church socials, with the clubhouse available for weather protection and as a catering
facility.
• Plan offers opportunity to use existing construction (clubhouse) for a multitude of purposes, the
most important of which is retaining restroom facilities at the northwest edge of the golf course and
the possibility of encouraging expanded winter use of the golf course by ice skaters and cross-
country skiers. Since cross-country skiers are not now prohibited from using the course, I'm assum-
ing that the golf community has no problem with this use or the expansion of it.
• Plan calls for fee financed operation of the old clubhouse. The golf course stands to benefit the
most from the restrooms and sorely needed tournament spillover facilities. The park and recreation
department has seen a persistent interest in ice skating. By keeping the clubhouse rather than tearing
it down or selling the site, we're in a position to add considerably to McCall's recreational amenity
package at very little out-of-pocket cost. The plan should be judged on whether those added ameni-
ties have more value than proceeds from the sale of the clubhouse site.