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Home My Public Portal AboutP&RAC Minutes 1992 02/25PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMIirEE MINUTES FEBRUARY 25, 1992 I. ATTENDANCE: Kathy Killen, Chair Dean Martens Tomi Grote Dr. Wayne Allen Bud Schmidt, Administrator Craig Baker, Recreation Director II. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL: 7:30pm III. APPROVAL OF JANUARY 14, 1992 MEETING MINUTES After review Grote moved to accept minutes as written. Martens seconded and motion carried unopposed. IV. EAGLE SCOUT PROTECT - LARRY STEVENS Mr. Stevens did not show. Staff will contact Mr. Stevens and rer,,chedule him for next meeting. V. STATUS REPORTS Lakefront Park Progress 1. Restrooms have been completed - final bill to be paid Thursday night- 2. Statue - West One bank has been asked for a $6,000 dollar grant. No other funds have been solicited at this point. Railroad Right of Way 1. Chitwood parcel has been acquired. 2. McCall/Donnelly school parcel is still going through negotiations. City has offered $6,000 down and $3,000/year for next 8 years to pay the $26,000. Dean Martens suggested some off setting value be placed on price to cover ingress and egress benefit the school is gaining. 3. Hoyle parcel(Stibnite to Dienhart). Council directed administrator to find out if the path could be rerouted around to the west. Administrator discovered another conversion would have to be written and LWCF personnel did not think this would be a good idea. The City of McCall is now having the property appraised(will take 4-6 weeks), which is the first step needed for condemnation. C. Financial report - Attachment "A" D. Recreation Program Report. 1. Director presented 1991 participation report. Attachment "B" Current programs are: a. 5th & 6th grade Basketball has 61 participants. b. Recreation Department has been averaging 2 - 4 Classroom ski tours per week. c. Approximately 50 youngsters have signed up for the Professional Baseball Scout Clinic to be held March 10-11. The City of McCall has been awarded 3 Regional Qualifier, Slowpitch Softball tournaments for summer 92. MASTER PARK PLAN A. Administrator provided list of goals. Attachment "C" After discussion it was decided the current master plan is really a Master Park's Plan and the committees major work in the future needs to be centered around creating a Master Recreation Plan. Committee asked staff to have a set of recreation goals and objectives developed prior to the next meeting. OTHER BUSINESS A. Lakefront Park Projects to be completed by July 4th. 1. Haul in top soil. 2. Finish excavation on Gentry Property. 3. Finish walking/biking trail to Mill Park. 4. Widen roadway leading to Mill Park. B. The Land and Water Conservation Fund conversion gives the City 2 years to complete everything it said it would do. Public Participation in the drafting of Park and Recreation Master Plans. Administrator advised the committee they were developing plans for the city's comprehensive plan, which would go before the Planning and Zoning committee where it would receive public review. Notice will be made to the local newspaper that the "old" plan will be available for viewing at McCall City Hall - now taking public comment. D. Snow removal into new city park was a one tine occurrence to clear roadway quickly after A.T.V. race. Present snow clearing procedure does not include dumping any street snow into park. E. Winter Carnival 1. Ice Sculpture Contestants loved the new area in park. Entry at Sportsman's side h7-rd without stairs. 9. Boy Scouts very happy with Art Roberts Park location, Would like to do it again next year. Thank you and $25.00 for electricity to City Council acknowledged. III. NEXT MEETING Monday, March 30th, ----- i;i0pm. IX. ADJOURNMENT - 9:00pm RespectFully submitted Kathy Killen, Chair City of.. McCall, Idaho PRoJEcT-TO-DA` E REPORT PAGE: 1 DATE: 02/26/92 G.L. PROJECT BUDGET PROJECT -TO -DATE PROJECT BALANCE PROJECT: 001 Lakefront Part: REVENUES 152.000 Parks 320-152.000-331.000 320-152.000-335.000 320-152.000-376.000 320-152.000-376.010 320-152.000-392.100 d W x U N N EXPENDITURES 152.000 Parks 320-152.000-442.000 320-152.000-442.200 320-152.000-471.000 320-152.000-471.010 320-152.000-471.020 320-152.000-471.030 320-152.O00-471.040 320-152.000-471.050 320-152.000-471.060 32.0-152.000-472.010 320-152.000-472.020 320-152.000-473.000 320-152.000-473.010 320-152.000-473.020 320-152.000-473.050 320-152.000-480.000 320-1 5 2 . 000•-490 . 100 and. other Federal Grants State Grants Private Contributions/Donation Brian Chapman Memorial Fund. Proceeds from Bond ;ales :I. 0.00 s30 ,000.00 0.00 0.00 ;100,000.00 Parks 1,180,000.00 REVENUES Professional Services Engineering Land. Land - Gentry Parcel Land - Cenutry 21 Parcel Land Railroad. Right of way Lund - Chitwood Section Land - State Section Land - `Mein Roadway Restrooms - Lakefront Park Picnic Shelter - Mill Park Improvements Other than Bldg Paving - General Paving - Bikepaths Library Courtyard Debt Service Management Transfer Park:. EXPENDITURES 1,180,000.00 0.00 57,500.00 425,000.00 60,000.00 25,000.00 150,000.00 20,000.00 15,000.00 20,000.00 70,000.00 20,000.00 75,000.00 84,300.00 114,000.00 7,000.00 0.00 37,200.00 1.,180,000.00 1,180,000.00 0.00 44,050.00 30,250.00 265.00 1,100,010.35 1,174,575.35 1,174,575.35 34,840.13 73,023.14 467,134.91 114,096.50 30,240.36 8,900.00 26,000.00 2.00 6.00 46,105.95 0.00 ?8,651.4.3 5,169.00 0.00 0.00 9,576.73 37,200.00 940,946.15 0.00 35,950.00 -30,250.00 -265.00 -10.35 5,424.65 5,424.65 -34,240.13 - 1.5 , 523 . 14 - 42,134.91 - 54,096.50 -5, 240. 36 141,100.00 -6,000.00 14,992.00 19,994.00 23,294.05 20,000.00 -1.3,651 .43, 79,131.00' 114,000.00 7,000.00 -9,576.7 0.00 239,053. oc 940,946.15 239,053.3 YOUTH SKIING K-2 3-6 City of McCall OFFICE OF THE CLERK BOX 1065 MCCALL, IDAHO 83638 RECREATION DEPARTMENT PROGRAMS 1991 (USER HOUR = ONE USER x ONE HOUR) 37 Youngsters 20 Youngsters CLASSROOM SKI TOURS 10 Tours 211 total Youngsters YOUTH BASKETBALL 5TH & 6TH GRADE 50 Youngsters - 6 teams 10 games 3 nights of clinics 8 volunteer coaches YOUTH BOWLING 3RD - 6TH GRADE 35 Youngsters - 10 sessions SPRING SOCCER 3RD - 6TH GRADE 104 Youngsters - 10 sessions 6 Adult Coaches ATTACHMENT "8 " 370 user hours 200 user hours 633 user hours 650 user hours 96 user hours 525 user hours 1,040 user hours SUMMER PROGRAMS TOTAL OF 212 YOUNGSTERS PARTICIPATED PEE WEE T-BALL(6-8YRS) 62 Youngsters - 11 sessions 682 user hours MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL(8-10YRS) 43 Youngsters - 14 sessions 602 user hours MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL(11-13YRS) 28 Youngsters - 14 sessions 392 user hours GIRLS JUNIOR OLYMPIC SOFTBALL(9-13YRS) 33 Youngsters - 14 sessions 462 user hours PEE WEE SOCCER(6-7YRS) 41 Youngsters - 11 sessions 451 user hours JUNIOR SOCCER(8-9YRS) 44 Youngsters - 15 sessions 660 user hours MIDGET SOCCER(10-13YRS) 43 Youngsters - 15 sessions 645 user hours SKYHAWK SOCCER CAMP(5-14YRS) 34 Youngsters-5,6hr sessions 1,020 user hours FALL SOCCER 3RD - 6TH GRADES 760 user hours 76 Youngsters - 10 sessions ADULT VOLLEYBALL LEAGUE 26 Participants 12 Organized matches Drop -in 27 Sessions 15-45 Participants ADULT DROP IN BASKETBALL Drop -in 39 Sessions 10-20 Participants 312 user hours 1,296 user hours 1.170 user hours 11 966 TOTAL USER HOURS ADULT SLOWPITCH SOFTBALL TOURNAMENTS ATTACHMENT "8" CONT. McCALL RECREATION PROGRAM SPONSORS 1991 1. BRYAN'S BURGER DEN Softball Tournament $200.00 Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 2. LARDO SALOON Softball Tournament 200.00 Softball Tournament Ad 125.00 3. THE CENTRAL IDAHO STAR NEWS Softball Tournament 200.00 4. SI BUENO MEXICAN RESTRAUNT Softball Tournament 200.00 Tournament Keg 50.00 5. WOODSMAN MOTEL Softball Tournament 200.00 b. ASPEN MARKET Softball Tournament 200.00 7. ASPEN CONDOMINIUMS Youth Baseball Team 200.00 3. LONG VALLEY PLUMBING Youth Baseball Team 200.00 (I. NIGHT OWL PROMOTIONS Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 10. PLAYERS PIZZA Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 11. WESTERN COLLISIONS Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 12. TOLL STATION PIZZA Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 13. PAUL'S MARKET Youth Baseball & Basketball Teams 250.00 14. OPTIMIST CLUB Youth Baseball Team 200.00 15. THE MOVIE SOURCE Youth Baseball Team 200.00 Total $3,675.00 ATTACHMENT "C" GOALS I. TO DEVELOP, MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE AND EXPAND ACCESSES AND VIEWS TO ENHANCE PUBLIC USE OF PAYETTE LAKE AND PAYETTE RIVER. II. TO PROVIDE A TRAIL/TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WHICH LINKS FACILITIES USED BY CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO MCCALL. III. TO PROVIDE AND PLAN FOR NATURAL AREEAS IN THE CITY OF MCCALL TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS AND TO CREATE A PLEASING ATMOSPHERE FOR VISITORS. IV. TO RECOGNIZE THAT PARK AND RECREATION AND SERVICES ARE NOT SELF-SUPPORTING. THESE SITES AND SERVICES ARE VALUABLE TO VISITORS AND RESIDENTS OF MCCALL. TO MAINTAIN SAFE PARK AND RECREATION SITES AT THE LEVEL CONSISTENT WITH THE HIGH QUALITY IMAGE THAT THE NCCALL COMMUNITY WISHES TO PROJECT. VI. TO PROVIDE THE RECREATIONAL USER WITH A QUALITY EXPERIENCE BY MINIMIZING THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN DIFFERING RECREATIONAL USES. DISCUSSION: The above set of "goals" lack an essential element, i.e. parsimony. My analysis suggests that what these are are not goals, but rather objectives. Those items described in the plan as objectives are actually strategies. It is my contention that there is not a goal statement in the plan. A goal, in my understanding, is a long term abstract, unmeasurable, statement....Even ambiguous in its interpretation. Each of the above are measureable, therefore an objective. The task as I see it is to set ATTACHMENT "C" CONT . out the whole reason for having park and/ or recreation programs( I'm not sure we have addressed the recreation program side very well). Try something like this: GOAL: The City of McCall should provide high -quality park facilities for passive and active recreationists, both for tourists and residents, which are safe, well -maintained, preserve the integrity of the recreational endeavor for the user, and which reflect the beauty and splendor of the city's natural environment. GOAL: The City of McCall should provide recreational opportunities for all age -groups of citizens, especially for team sports but also for individual activities which initiate users into activities, encourage the development of their skills, and foster an active and healthy lifestyle which is reflected in the general health and welfare of the community. (One final criteria that I have heard about this sort of writing is whether it makes your socks roll up and down....) BUD Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd. Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons Tomi's Davis Street Proposal-4 Tomi's uninformed observations on ice skating The market for ice skating is the same market that frequents Zim's Hot Springs and excepting the league play, Lake Bowl: families, kids who want to take their friends ice skating for their birthdays, organizations and businesses who want to do something different for their winter outing or Christ- mas party. Any time you are talking about an activity that is only fun if it's done with a group, you are talking about having to make everyone comfortable. Zim's would be out of business if it were just a swim- ming pool in the middle of a snow field with a couple of outdoor changing booths. Craig said in his report that Billings started out supplying warming huts and supervision to each skating rink, but cut them when the budget got too tight. I would encourage Craig to find out from his contacts in Billings what effect the absence of those amenities had on the use of the rinks and I'd like to know more about what kind of facilities these warming huts were. Did they provide rentals and a snack bar, for instance? Were they roomy or cramped? The thing that strikes me about ice skating is that it's one of the few winter sports that anyone of average physical shape can learn to do in a single session. If one of the missions of the recreation department is to provide the citizens of McCall with affordable opportunities to improve their health and well-being with exercise, ice skating fits that description better than any winter sport I can think of. An enlightened resort community should put that kind of sport into an incubator program. In other words, we shouldn't put so much resource into it that it artificially stays alive when lack of demand threatens to kill it, but we shouldn't put so little in that it has no chance of survival. Having made the observations I have on local time-honored private enterprises that cater to group activities (Zims and Lake Bowl), I'll contend that if you go flood a field (or lakefront park for that matter) to see if somebody skates on it, no one will. But that's not grounds to rule out ice skating as a demand recreational activity. Instead, use the old clubhouse, an existing facility that becomes a liability if it is not occupied, to give this fledgling program it's best chance of success and don't give up on it for a few years. If the results appear to be encouraging, you just may end up with a program profitable enough to be an- other lifestyle improvement for the citizen and an additional tourist attraction. It has the potential to be the perfect recreational amenity: one that contributes to the economic health of the community while costing it nothing. Here's how I propose implementing an ice skating program that will finally allow us to kick this nagging question off our agenda: 1. Develop a proposal to send to the golf course advisory committee suggesting that the golf course consider leasing the building for snack and restroom facilities, and for tournament overflow. Agreement on that point by two advisory committees will send a clear message to the council that the old clubhouse still has a useful life as park land, something they appear to be asking themselves —and us. I like the lease idea better than a cost -sharing venture because it puts the park committee in total fee -based control of the property. Fees can reflect the market value of the amenity to the golf course and the parks department stands to profit from that, cost sharing doesn't. Grote's Grandiose Game Plans, Unitd. Specializing in inexperienced but well-intentioned proposals to pet park persons 2. If the golf course committee agrees that they like this idea in concept and are willing to recommend to the council that they are prepared to pay a market -reasonable fee for access to old clubhouse facilities, the park committee can demonstrate that we have a customer for the facility. That gives us leverage with the council to prevent a move to sell the clubhouse and a reason to get approval for exploratory funds to establish the ice skating facility. Timberlost IV� Subdivision l I f Anticipated Setback for widening of Davis Street SUITOR STREET