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MINUTES
FEBRUARY 28, 1994
I. ROLL CALL AND CALL TO ORDER
Chair Grote called the meeting to order at 7:05pm. Committee members Coyle, Killen, and
VanKomen answered the roll call. Chair declared a quorum present. Also attending was Sheri & Kris
Kistner - Fairway Park Arts and Crafts Fair, and Director Baker.
H. MINUTES
a. January 10, 1994
Coyle moved to accept the January 10,1994 minutes as written, seconded by Killen and
the motion carried.
b. January 24, 1994
Killen moved to accept the January 24,1994 minutes as written, seconded by Coyle and
the motion carried.
III. FAIRWAY PARK ARTS AND CRAFTS FAIR, AUGUST 20-21, 1994. Sheri &
Kris Kistner (attachment)..
Chair Grote explained that in the new Park Reservation Policy a for profit business falls under a
different category than a nonprofit business which calls for a different fee structure. Mr. Kistner explained
that last year was the first time in the fair's history (1993 was the third year), that a profit was shown. Mr.
Kistner informed the committee that the fair made approximately $1000.00 in 1993.
Committee discussed the growth of the fair to Fairway Park's capacity. Mr. Kistner informed the
committee that in 1993, one hundred four vendors attended the fair and agreed the fair has reached the park's
capacity due to parking and number of visitors. Mr. Kistner stated he has capped the fair at one hundred
vendors for 1994.
Committee members pointed out that this type of event bears likeness to the concessions at
Winter Carnival, in which a vendor (chamber of commerce) purchased a blanket hawker's license and resold
licenses to vendors. Members suggested Kristner negotiate such a license with city staff and asked staff to
make a recommendation on whether the usual $150/day park rental fee should be charged in addition or
waived.
Member Killen pointed out that according to the newly adopted Parks Reservation policy, staff is
to negotiate fees with the applicant prior to the event coming before the board. She voiced disappointment
that the event got on the agenda when Director Baker failed to do his job (which is to make sure all
applications before the board conform to the new policy). Chair Grote noted that this is the second time in
as many meetings that city staff has failed to comply with the new policy. However, she said the violations
of procedure are not the applicant's fault and his planning should not be slowed because of staff errors.
After further discussion Coyle moved to recommend approval of Mr. Kistner's Park
Reservation Application for Fairway Park on August 19-21, 1994, with staff
negotiating fee with Mr. Kistner, seconded by VanKomen and the motion carried 2 to
1 with member Killen voting no
IV. STAFF REPORTS
a. Administrator
1. Letter to Dan and Norma Wiberg(attachment)
Committee reviewed without action.
2. Letter to Cheryle Knowles(attachment).
3. Committee Member Appointment Policy Statement(attachment).
Committee members Grote and Killen expressed concern that the appointment
policy does not distinguish between vacancy appointments and the renewals of terms of incumbents. Grote
said that while she believes that incumbents are not entitled to a renewal of their terms, incumbent
vacancies need to be considered differently than a completely vacant position.
Practically, she said, most incumbents who wish to renew their terms will be the most qualified
candidates because of their familiarity with the issues. All vacancies should be advertised, she said, but
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when an incumbent wishes to remain in the seat, it should be noted in the advertisement so that prospective
applicants know that they are going against an incumbent. If no other applications are received, which will
be the case most of the time, the council can simply make the incumbent "stand for confirmation" without
involving the advisory committee at all. The way the policy is currently worded, Grote said, it requires the
advisory committee to actively recruit against an incumbent. That would be uncomfortable for everyone
involved. VanKomen said he felt the whole process should be done in reverse: that the council should
advertise for the vacancies, do the interviews and send a list of preferred names to the park board, which in
turn would recommend its preferences to the council.
After discussion Killen moved to recommend Council clarify the term "vacancy"
where it occurs in the policy statement to distinguish between pure vacancies and
incumbent vacancies, require that advertisements for openings describe the type of
vacancy, and add a provision that in the event no applications are received contesting
an incumbent, that the council ask the incumbent to "stand for confirmation" without
requiring any action or recommendation from the advisory committee. Coyle seconded
and the motion carried.
b. Director
1. Director informed committee that the Recreation Department has started a new third
and fourth grade basketball program. The program will be very informal with coaches doing both the
refereeing and coaching, no corporate sponsors,and all sessions will be held in the Multi -purpose room.
Director stated that it is his goal to make this a learning experience and not a competitive one. Director
feels it is a natural progression to have a third and fourth grade informal program, followed by a fifth and
sixth grade formal program followed by seventh and eighth grade Jr. High tryouts.
2. Director informed committee that only two classroom ski tours have been held due to
weather and a broken groomer at Ponderosa State Park. Director informed committee that he has three more
scheduled for this week and invisions the goal of ten total tours still possible.
3. Director informed committee that the Recreation Program has eliminated all June adult
softball tournaments to have the fields open on weekends for youth baseball/softball teams to practice.
Committee asked Director how many tournaments are usually held in June. Director informed committee
that two or three tournaments are usually held in June depending on weather and where the Fourth of July
falls during the week. Committee all agreed that having the fields open on the weekends for youth
baseball/softball is a good idea.
4. Director informed committee that he had talked with Jim Frank, a volunteer from
Toothman-Ortman Engineering and found out he is currently working on a draft site plan for the Riverfront
Park location and would like to be placed on the March meeting agenda.
V. NEW BUSINESS
a. Idaho Community Foundation Grants(attachment).
Director informed committee that the Idaho Community Foundation has some grant
monies available and that when the McCall Region's grant processing period comes up, the foundation will
be sending more information. Killen informed committee that the foundation is very interested in
community oriented stuff and most grants are on a matching basis. Finally, Killen informed committee
Dalores Chapman is the McCall area's representative.
b. Downtown Development Taskforce Committee Representative.
Director informed committee that the taskforce will contain a representative from the park
board. At this time the member would be non -voting, but Administrator felt that this would be changed in
the very near future. Committee asked Gary VanKomen to be the park board representative.
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VI. OLD BUSINESS
a. Garnett Beach Contract.
Committee reviewed the May 3, 1993 meeting minutes. Killen stated the board had
recommended lease fees with reference to four overnight slips for boat moorage and that the picture looks as
if six boats could be docked. Coyle questioned who would be enforcing moorage of nonmember boats vs.
member boats. After further review and discussion Killen moved to recommend that the contract ******
be amended to agree with the minutes of May 3, 1993 which approved four overnight
slips only and would like to see that reflected in the lease agreement, second by
VanKomen and the motion carried.
NOTE: Committee found all other recommendations to be included in the lease agreement.
b. Parks and Recreation Taskforce.
Chair informed committee that the first meeting has been set for Thursday, 7:00pm in the
High School Library. In addition, Chair distributed a outline of what the taskforce is to accomplish and
stated that she doesn't want the group to deal with just this season's problems, but wants the group to
institute permanent reforms. Coyle suggested that there should be some kind of form to set seasons and
goals, then have a midterm and final evaluation. In addition, Coyle would like to see a statement of purpose
and statement of ethics added, such as first teaching sportsmanship, then fun, then finally the rules of the
game. Killen suggested this information should also go to other towns McCall competes with.
VanKomen warned against making the rules too restrictive. He feels that some yelling shows team spirit,
and helps youngsters learn how to act lice a team. Coyle feels the most important thing is to get a certain
meanness out of some of the parents. The kids will stop when told to stop, but some parents get carried
away. Committee all agreed that a simple, to -the -point, general goals and ethics statement needs to be
added to all sign-up forms.
c. Joint Engineering costs with Payette Lakes Trail System Committee.
Director informed committee that Administrator is working on this currently and that the
park board does not need to do anything. Committee disagreed and felt it best to have members from the
park board and the council in addition to city staff actively involved in overseeing a project of this scope
Committee discussed the various advantages of joint engineering and all felt it is in the best interest of the
public. Committee asked Chair to draft a letter recommending Council follow the joint engineering
process. Chair agreed.
d. Master Plan.
Chair distributed a draft of the Parks and Recreation Master Plan, a transcript of the
public hearing on parks, and a set of rating forms for park projects. Chair reminded committee that the
plan's general policy section has already gone to Council but as a courtesy to new members VanKomen and
Ware she would like to give them a chance to comment. Chair advised committee to fill out the forms and
drop them off at the Star News, she will then consolidate them and have a prioritized list ready for the next
meeting. Killen said that she thought that the Idaho code concerning impact fees has been amended. After
Discussion, Killen moved to recommend council direct the city attorney to research the
city's ability to levy impact fees for developers and to include a copy of the exact
Idaho code with any recent amendments, second by Coyle and the motion carried.
VII. OTHER BUSINESS
a. Snowmobiling and Sledding in Legacy Park.
Killen informed committee that people have been snowmobiling over bushes and sledding
down the stairs. After discussion, Killen moved to recommend council direct the Police to
post no snowmobiling and no sledding signs at Legacy Park, VanKomen seconded and
the motion carried.
b. Snow Piling in Legacy Park.
Killen informed committee that public works is currently piling snow in Legacy Park in
a place which will cause run off damage and add gravel to the parks grass. Killen felt that if the snow was
stacked near the handicapped parking area at the North end of the park, run off through the park would be
greatly reduced. After discussion, Killen moved to recommend council direct Public Works to
start stacking snow near the handicapped parking area at the North end of the Legacy
Park, VanKomen Seconded and the motion carried.
c. Chapman Memorial Fund.
Killen informed committee that Mrs. Chapman would like to know if we are going to use
the endowment fund for a water fountain or should it go to the Library. After discussion Killen agreed to
contact Mrs. Chapman and let her know committee will try to use the money to match grant funds to
purchase the drinking fountain.
d. Congleton Lease
Chair directed staff to report on the status of the Congleton lease.
e. Park Reservation Policy
Killen suggested that past park reservation applications should be reviewed and a copy of
the new policy with a letter stating the system is changing be sent to past applicants. Chair directed staff
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to draft and send a letter to past applicants and to be sure to include, SummerFest staff, Chamber of
Commerce, Ron White, Ernie Revello- Triathatlon, Little Ski Hill and all local civic groups.
f. General Development Plan for Ponderosa State Park.
Coyle removed himself from the board for the discussion. Coyle informed the
committee that he must have the final plan available April 20,1994 and would like to have a joint meeting
with Council, Park Board, and County Commissioners the week prior to April 20,1994. In addition Coyle
informed the committee that on March 29,1994 the State Parks Board is meeting and would like to know if
the McCall Parks Board would like to attend a social the evening before to display things Me the City's
Parks and Recreation Master Plan. Committee all agreed this is something they would like to do.
Finally, Coyle informed committee that since the State Park has taken over the snowmobile grooming
operation he's seen the need to see the state hire a facilitator to resolve conflicts in winter recreation uses.
Coyle asked committee if they would be willing to send a representative from the board if this happened.
Committee agreed it would be willing to send a representative.
VIII. NEXT MEETING
Next regular Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee meeting Monday, March 21,1994 -
7:OOpm Council Chamber.
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OFFICE OF THE CLERK
BOX 1065
MCCALL. IDAHO 63638
February 11, 1994
Dan and Norma Wiberg
P.O. Box 2025
McCall, ID 83638
Dear Dan and Norma,
On February 10 the City Council noted your letter and agreed to
schedule a Winter Carnival debriefing in April 1994. Please
advise me when you return from your travels and we will schedule
a date.
Also, the Council noted your expectation that the City would
remove the snowman. The Council feels that the agreement
reached with the Park and Recreation Advisory Committee was that
the Winter Carnival organization was responsible for its
removal/destruction and that the structure is now an attractive
nuisance and is a public safety problem.
We ask that you remove/demolish the snowman immediately.
Sincerely,
Arthur J. Schmidt,
Interim City Manager
cc Bill Keating
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February 11, 1994
TO: Craig Baker
FROM: Bud
RE: Council action 2/10
Please advise Jim Ware that the Council approved Cheryl Knowles
appointment to the subcommittee as he requested.
Thanks.
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CITY OF MCCALL
POLICY STATEMENT
I. PURPOSE:
The Purpose of this policy is to outline the procedure to be
used for the filling of vacancy's on Citizen Advisory Boards,
Committees and Commissions.
II. POLICY:
1. At least 60 days prior to thA A]tni rat' i nn of a term on - any
Board, Commission, or Committee, the Chairman shall advise the
City Manager of the impending vacancy.
2. The Manager or designee shall advise the Council and the
media of this vacancy to solicit names of persons interested in
filling the vacancy to apply. The advertisement shall note a
time certain for submitting a letter, resume or other materials
by applicants.
3. The Manager shall transmit to the Chairman of the
Committee or Commission all of the applicant materials
immediately following the application deadline.
4. The Chairman will submit the names and application
materials of all applicants to the next regular meeting of the
Board, Committee or Commission.
5. In the event that more than 1 persons is interested in .
filling the position, the Committee shall select no less than 2
names to forward to the Council for nomination. The Committee
shall indicate its first and second choices from all the persons
on the list. This recommendation shall come as a part of the
Board, Committee or Commission minutes transmitted to the Council
for action.
III. EXCEPTIONS:
The Library Board: In all places where the City Manager is
referenced in this policy, the City Librarian shall act in the
place of the Manager.
ADOPTED THIS 27th DAY OF JANUARY, 1994, BY THE MCCALL CITY
COUNCIL.
Dean Martens, MAYOR
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