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HomeMy Public PortalAboutP&RAC Minutes 1995 08/14PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES - AUGUST 14, 1995 I. ROLL CALL AND CALL TO ORDER. Chair Grote called the meeting to order at 12:05pm. Committee members Killen, Coyle, and Ware answered the roll call. Chair declared a quorum present. Also attending was Wes Rhoades and Scotty Davenport. II. NEW BUSINESS a. Private land in Riverfront Park site - Wes Rhoades. Rhoades informed committee the owner of the private land in the North corner of the Riverfront Park site contacted him, stating an intent to sell. Rhoades informed committee the property is jointly owned by a brother and sister with different ideas. The sister wants to sell, but the brother wants to wait until the entire estate is settled. At this time the property is not officially listed on the market. Rhoades stated that if the property were located in Carefree subdivision it would be worth approximately $80,000 dollars, but this two acre parcel does not have a road right of way or utilities such as power and sewer. Finally, Rhoades stated when he looked at the property, it looked as though it should be part of the park, and therefore forwarded the information to the city. Chair stated the city would need to know what the owner wants, especially if a equestrian center is placed adjacent to the parcel. Rhodes stated the owners also own the large parcel of land to the North of the piece located in the Park Site. Rhoades suggested the city offer a land trade or offer to make the larger parcel more valuable by putting in sewer hook ups or other improvements. Chair with consent of committee requested Director to meet with Manager to discuss trade possibilities, place the item on the September agenda, and requested Rhoades be notified of the next meeting. b. Mill Park Restrooms. Chair informed committee the Mill Park restrooms paint job, which she had been informed was done by the Public Works department is in poor shape with paint peeling off of the roof and also being smeared on the windows and siding. Killen also stated she had noticed the same thing while looking at the playground equipment construction in Mill Park. After discussion Ware moved to recommend council direct public works to clean up the Mill Park restroom paint problem. Seconded by Coyle and the motion carried. III. OLD BUSINESS a. Playground equipment in Mill Park. Chair informed committee progress is being made in the installation of the playground equipment in Mill Park but it has been slow and asked the committee if they would be willing to donate an evening of their time to aid in construction. Committee all felt this was a good idea. Chair agreed to line up a day and notify the committee. IV. REPORTS. a. Director 1. High Adventure Hiking - attachment. Director informed committee he had reviewed a piece of literature which showed many Recreation Programs leading outdoor adventures and is now looking into the possibility of doing so in McCall. Chair requested Director to contact Hugh Cook, former McCall Recreation Director and ask him about his dealing with this sort of program in McCall. 2. Council Request - attachment. Committee reviewed request. Chair asked if the committee has ever been involved with boat trailer parking in the past. Director as well as Killen did not believe so. Committee all felt this subject and problem should probably go to the Transportation Committee. NOTE TO COUNCIL; Parks and Recreation Advisory committee believes the subject of boat trailer parking has been misdirected, and should be forwarded to the Transportation Committee. V. OTHER BUSINESS. a. City and P.L.T.S. bike paths. Chair informed committee of the results of a public opinion poll to help prioritize the construction schedule of the city's bike path project (attached) and distributed it to committee. Chair said she presented the results to Cliff Lee and Candy Anderson that morning and that her impression was that the Oversight Committee was leaning toward constructing the Lardo Bridge to City Limits and the Hoyle section of the railroad right of way first. Killen felt it was a bad decision to do the piece from Lardo bridge to city limits on Warren Wagon road. Both Killen and Coyle noted their feeling that construction of that segment is high on expense and low on fulfilling the original goal of the city's grant application, which was to construct a path network that gets city's citizens to major city shopping districts and public places, such as parks. Coyle felt going from the bridge to the city limits was a short piece for the cost and stated he felt Lick Creek Road would be a much more productive piece to finish in the overall bike path plan. Killen said that the opinion poll should be looked at as one factor in many, and shouldn't by itself determine the Oversight Committee's recommendation. Chair recommended that Killen attend the next meeting of the Oversight Committee and state her concern. Chair volunteered to sub -tally the ballots submitted by city residents to see if there were significant differences between them and the overall tally. NOTE TO COUNCIL: The tally was done and the Warrren Wagon Road segment was sixth priority in the city resident breakout. The results have been presented to the Oversight Committee and will be an attachment to the Park and Recreation Committee's September agenda. VI. ADJOURNMENT. Chair moved and Coyle supported to adjourn. The motion carried. The meeting concluded at 12:50 pm. Sincerely, Tomi Grote, Chair. 1902 Mos �.l Cellilly 1 21) up r r PChisholm Realty • McCall --- 500 west Lake Street, P.O. Drawer H McCall, Idaho 83638 Residence (208) 634-4465 Fax (208) 634-3719 Business (208) 634-2100 Wes and Barbara Rhoades Assoctiate Broker - Sales Associate fMcCa ll's Real Estate Team Each Mc* Is tidapeTnder,* Owned and Operated --cs c.� a C stel as 341' a a% %.:E t •j 4 o f q �•iS' Lww 5. s0 a Lo-r I ?3 p6 X." -• SEC- Cw••r-a- ivlck,au council tiears plan tor a By Shari Hambleton The Sur News An artist's rendition of the pro- posed Riverside Park may not be ale to halt gravel extraction from „le city -owned gravel pit on Mis- sion Road, but it may influence where the digging is concentrated so less rehabilitation is needed when the time comes to begin con- struction. McCall Parks and Recreation task force member Kathy Killen presented McCall City Council members with a proposed artist layout of what Riverside Park could possibly look like at comple- tion. The plan inciuri-d baseball, soft- ball and soccer fields, tennis and volleyball courts, an ice and roller rink, concert stage with amphithe- ater seating, children's play area, gazebo and horseshoe pits. "We're not here for money... and we're not here to promote any bonds. The --roject will hopefully be „gilt with private donations and grants —Kathy Killen The park, across Nlission from the McCall Smokejumper Base, is situated along the North Fork of the Payette River where the city now excavates gravel for city projects. �v hile the majority of the Riv- erside Park plan lies on property owned by the city, a portion of it spills over onto federal property and privately-ov. Pri land. That is just the beginning of the considerations the McCall Parks ailu c.cLicauvn Department wtii need to resolve before going for- ward with the project. Killen said task force members working on the Riverside Park plan realize the project -is in ;*c inflnt states. "—But a plan has to start some - :se and the artist layout is one step closer to realizing the dream of a developed recreational com- WNil s AREAS ENCLOSI O IN DOTTED LINES Il LIICATE PARK L.AW'URPFNTLY OWNED BY THE CITY OF McCALL SMOK'EJUMPER BASE PROPOSED PARK FEATURES ..rrr A. Multi Purpose Field ;baseball, softball, soccer) B. Ice/Roller Rink, Concert Stage w/Amehitheater Seating C• Playing Fields (b-;eball/softball) Star -News yrapt D. Tennis & Volleyball Courts E • Children's Play Area w/Cont F • Gazebo G. Horseshoe Pits plex in McCall. "We're not here for money." Killen told council members. "And we're not here to promote any bonds. The project will hopefully be built with private donations and grants." But before grants can be ap- plied for a plan has to be developed. Now the task force have that plan in hand. "We're still very much com- mitted to the master plan," Killen said. "We realize we need to take care of what gave before start- ing something new." She said the need for an actual plan materialized last year •n former McCall City Councilman Francis Wallace discovered trees being cut down at the gravel pit. Concerned the trees would be im- possible to replace, Wallace took stens to halt cutting until more concrete plans for the park could be Ueveloped, Killen said. With a plan in hand, gravel ex- cavation at the pit could continue in a manner that could he -r• the development of the budding park rather than require expensive and time consuming rehabilitation, Killen said. The park rendition was created by Toothman-Ortman Engineer- ingdesianerJim Fronkwhose time was donated by the company. "We can't say enough to thank Toothman-Ortman," Killen said. -We wouldn't have been able to get plans like this without spend- ing a lot of money." "to :.) For Value Received Th1,11140S rara►414+4 Ur C.,Ilut hp►r, lhle. I,r. WARRANTY DEED Beatrice M. peacock. Box 271, McCall, Idaho 83638 linvlaaDer called the Grantor, henby grains, bargains, ally and convoys unto NARY EDWINA MOLINA, a married woman, Is her sole and separate property and EDWIN L. HEACOCK, Jr., an unmarried man P.O. 80a 27t, McCall, 10 63636 'Mkt, County, Idaho, ho•wit: Ileretaafter called the Grantee, the follow•Ind described premises situated In 18 Range East, S.M.. IValley Couand ntyWLot ino. deurl7bed asnfollows:North, Bpinntng at a point to the north line of said lot 9, Section 17, Township 18 North. Range 3 East. tdlte% point is 3977 feet south and 236 feet west from the NE corner of said Section 17; Thence running south 89' S7' west along the north line of said lot 9, Section 17 for 322 feet to a point; Thence south 27' 20' east for 424 feet to a point: Thence north 89' 67' salt foe 127.8 feat to a point: Thence n►ortl 0' 03' west f r 377.3 feet to the point of beginning, onea Subject to taxes and water rights not above listed. RESERVING HEREIN TO BEATRICE M. HEACOCK A LIFE ESTATE. TO NAV* AND TO HOLD. the said prerniss. with their appurtenances unto the said Grantee and to the Grantee's hairs and assigns torero,. And tho Grantor dos q:nby covenant to and with the said G�a� ththe at a above la the owner described escribed sodia fee oho* of that Grantor will lwarran and defend the acme from al ises; that they are free front all 11�fu1 claim whatsoever. Welt + i - _it% k.,,Vr t� ,.. • Nat 1N Naa0ptl j 1Kr `lrl �ss-r^1��.r ; .. .. . WATS widaho mown or yV:y � is 9Z �� Oa this ;. •� as wan sen a "Mary peals M aed Ise sett law, per.. .e insamy kpssred Beatrice N. Meecock knew* to me to as Yw ;MIS wars seas +tti swaerrtsed N Me 'Ma 1*atrrrh4 sod asaaerlMMa to M that 111 esaeated the acme. �. wry awe nveame et McCall , mann my Comisston Exolres 4:die' /".3" w �•c M a C t7 pT M r i ._. Q: c. , r, W v 0t co rn%c'1CO is _ a - 2 3 McCALL RECREATION PROGRAM PROPOSAL AUGUST 8,1995 TO; Idaho Outfitters & Guides Licensing Board - Dean Sangrey Payette National Forest - Gary Elliot FROM; McCall Recreation Program Craig R. Baker - Director RE; Leading 8-15 year old youngsters on day hikes in the P.N.F. After reviewing A Comparison of Programs and Fees from Recreation Districts it came to my attention resort towns including Teton County/Jackson Hole, Wy., Bend, Or., Breckenridge, Co., Steamboat Springs, Co., Silverthorne, Co., and Boulder, Co., are all providing youngsters with day hikes. I contacted most of the above cities and discovered none of them are required to be licensed with a outfitters and guides association, but several have special use permits with the Nation Forest they are entering. Although these other recreation programs are not licensed with a Outfitters and Guides Association, I believe it would be a benefit to be endorsed by as many entities as possible. The end product I am after is a affordable, educational based program endorsed by the Guides/Outfitters Association, and the National Forest Service. Let me make it perfectly clear from the beginning, The McCall Recreation Program is not getting into this business to make a big profit. The McCall Recreation Program just wants to provide a educational based program the youngsters of Idaho can afford and benefit from. I do not believe we would be encroaching upon any guiding business in the McCall area with this format. In addition, I believe this program can only help the Forest Service by teaching people, at a young age, proper backcountry behavior. Trips will be confined to 15 youngsters plus instructors. Hikes will include instruction on tree, foliage and fish identification, no trace camping/hiking, trail etiquette, map & compass orientation, catch and release fishing(no fish will be kept), nutrition/water needs(purification), skin/eye care(protection from the sun) and fire building techniques. I have attached my resume and my assistants to indicate our professional training in outdoor activities. In addition to our professional training, we are both avid outdoorsmen who believe in taking care of our back yard. Last Friday, August 4, 1995 we took a day hike into Cly Lakes to find seven tents and people crawling all over. I talked with the trip leader who informed me it took them 4 hours to get to the lake. It had taken us one hour thirty minutes, obviously they lacked map reading skills. They were camped within 15' of the lake, obviously they didn't understand erosion control, leave alone Forest Service suggestion of camping at least 100 feet from any stream or lake. After running into this group of people my assistant and I drop over the edge and went to the lowest Cly lake(the group at the upper lake didn't even know it n n A _ _ , f _ I^ _ „ t J _ L ,. n, I,C _ ,,., C, L, 4 I nri e . C .. ,!10, C, 4 -In, Q existed) here I picked up an old tuna can from the fire ring and several pieces of trash as I fished around the lake. Perhaps if some of these people had attended a program such as the one I am suggesting the Cly lakes system might have provided us with a more pristine experience. In addition to teaching youngsters proper backcountry behavior we would be willing to act as a trash patrol and do any minor work the Forest Service wishes, such as destroying fire rings built to close to lakes, in return for a special use permit. I have selected the following hikes which I would like to offer. The reason I selected these particular lakes is due to their close location to McCall. In addition, I have been to them all and know the difficulty level of each hike. ENTRY LEVEL Duck Lake Shaw Twin Lakes Grassy Mt. Lakes. Slab Butte(no name east of Slab Butte)/Brundage Mt. Look out tour. EXPERIENCED LEVEL(youngster must go on a entry level hike to be considered for participation in the following hikes). Boulder/Rapid lake tour. Pearl/ Marge tour. Ellis/Horton/No name tour. Twin/Corral tour. Cly Lakes. Deep/Trail/Frog tour. Crystal lake. Box lake. Golden lake. This list of hikes should be considered a first year list. More than likely some hikes will be dropped and new ones added as years go by and we discover what works and what doesn't. I would actually like to implement the program this year with five Saturday trips in September, two entry level and three experienced level hikes. Of course, I will select lakes which are not in the recently burned areas for this years program. However, I believe it would be very educational to visit some of the burned areas next year. In 1996 trips would commence the last week of July and run on Mondays and Thursdays until school starts, and then move to Saturdays. Transportation will be provided by Mile High Shuttle. Thank you for considering this program. I look forward to talking with you in the near future. Craig R. Baker, Recreation Director Resume of Craig R. Baker P.O. Box 1367, McCall, Idaho, 83638 (208) 634-7724 Recreation Director Supervisor: Responsibilities: Education Bachelor of Science in Recreation Management Emphases in Outdoor Recreation Professional Experience City of McCall, McCall, Id. November 1989 to Current. Mr. Gary Shimun (208) 634-7142 Implementing and running community based recreation programs varying from traditional sports to cross country skiing. Soliciting $5,000+ per year in sponsorships for youth sports teams and adult softball tournaments. Developing and maintaining park properties. Grant writing. Responsible for staff of 6, and $60,000 dollar annual budget. Working with the McCall Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee. Utilizing a I.B.M. P.C. to create flyers and program sign-up sheets. Assistant Recreation Director City of McCall, McCall, Id. May 1986 to September 1986. May 1987 to November 1989. Supervisor: Mr. Hugh Cooke (801) 649-9090 Responsibilities: Program development, supervision of youth and adult sports activities, assisting in softball tournaments, cross country ski lessons, and park maintenance. Assistant Outdoor Supervisor: Responsibilities: Program Coordinator and Trip Leader U of I Outdoor Program, Moscow, Id. January 1986 to May 1986 September 1986 to May 1987 Mr. Jim Rennie Mr. Michael Beiser (208) 885-6810 Helping set up, run, and lead seminars, outdoor programs, and adventures. Write weekly "Outdoor Corner" for school newspaper. Resume of Craig R. Baker --Page 2 Professional Experience(continued) Field Sports Director Camp Lemhi, Palisades, Id. June to August 1985 Supervisor: Mr. John Whetten 2306 Pocatello Creek Rd. Pocatello, Id. 83201 (208)233-4600 Responsibilities: Organizing and conducting classes in Small bore rifle marksmanship, Muzzeleloading, and Archery. Responsible for staff of 3. In addition, coordinating Monday night campfires and being Master of Ceremonies. Field Sports Director Camp Tapawingo, McCall, Id. June to August 1984 Supervisor: Mr. Kay Godfrey 110 Scout Ln. Boise, Id., 83702 (208) 342-6839 Responsibilities: Organizing and conducting classes in Small bore rifle marksmanship, and Archery. In addition, lead one fishing trip per week. Extracurricular Activities High School Eagle Scout Vice president, Mountaineering Club. Capitol High. Typist of the Semester. Fall 1981. Capitol High. College Vice president, U of I Recreation Club. Fall 1986. President, U of I Recreation Club. Spring 1987 Army R.O.T.C. Small bore competitive rifle team spring 1986. Current Muzzleloader, and archery hunting, fishing, backpacking and cross country skiing(backcountry telemarking and skating). References upon request. GREGORY R. GISSEL Temporary Address: 917 West A Street Moscow, Idaho 83843 (208) 883-3210 EDUCATION: EMPLOYMENT EXPERIENCE: CERTIFICATIONS: ORGANIZATIONS: INTERESTS: Permanent Address: P.O. Box 523 Fruitland, Idaho 83619 (208) 452-4959 University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho Bachelor of Science Degree in Recreation (May 1995). Emphasis: Outdoor Leadership, Therapeutic Recreation Sun Valley Elkhorn Association, Sun Valley, Id. Lifeguard - Pool maintenance, lifeguarding, public relations. May -August, 1992 and 1993. Payette City Pool, Payette, Idaho. Lifeguard - Pool maintenance and community programs. May -August, 1991. Gissel Farms, Payette, Idaho. Farm laborer - Knowledge of irrigation systems, heavy machinery work, general farm maintenance. Summers, 1984-1990. Certified in Community CPR and Advanced Firs Aid. Lifeguarding Certification. State Farmer Degree in Future Farmers of America. National Recreation Parks Association, Idaho Recreation Parks Association, Sigma Alpha Epsilon Fraternity, University of Idaho Recreation Club, Campus Recreation. Snow skiing, adventure education, backpacking, mountain biking, camping, golf, hunting, fly fishing, swimming, rock climbirc, white water rafting. References Gregory R. Gissel Glen Kastrinos Instructor of Therapeutic Recreation University of Idaho Moscow, Idaho (208) 885-6582 Tom Ward Field Supervisor, Elkhorn Association Elkhorn Sun Valley Association Sun Valley, Idaho (208) 622-7508 Hugh Diener Owner, Insurance Co. 864 Hughes Drive Payette, Idaho 83661 (208) 642-7200 Bob McKinney Bonneville Production, Distribution Mgr. 605 NW 4th St. Fruitland, Idaho 83619 (208) 452-5300 PATHWAY SEGMENTS RATING RESULTS Total number comment sheets received: 60 City of McCall Pathway Segment Alternatives (in order of priority, lowest point total is highest priority) Segment Cost Points 1. Warren Wagon Road - Lardo Bridge to City Limits $169,000 213 2. Abandoned RR R.O.W.-Deinhard Ln. to First Avenue 66,000 222 3. Forest & Park Streets - Lardo Bridge to Highway 55 165,000 228 4. Pilgrim Cove Rd. - Lick Creek Rd. to Miles Standish Rd. 43,000 237 5. Pine & Wooley Streets-R.R. R.O.W. to Spring Mtn. Blvd. 207,000 242 6. R.R. R.O.W. (in question) - First Avenue to Pine St. 79,000 251 7. North Fork Payette River Pathways Bridge 180,000 273 Valley County (Payette Lake Trails) Pathway Segment Alternatives (in order of priority, lowest point total is highest priority) Segment Cost Points 1. Warren Wagon Rd. - City Limits to Sylvan Beach 575,000 91 2. Lick Creek Rd. - City Limits to East Side Drive Inters. 437,000 149 3. Lick Creek Rd. - East Side Drive Inters. to Tamarack Bay 569,000 222 4. Warren Wagon Road - Sylvan Beach to Dead Horse Creek 1,410,000 223 5. 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