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HomeMy Public PortalAbout17-09-19 Approved Minutes VF ad hoc Committee Meeting September 19 2017ELECTED OFFICIALS: Mark S. Sideris, Council President Watertown Town Council Administration Building 149 Main Street Watertown, MA 02472 Phone: 617-972-6470 Ad Hoc Committee On Victory Field, Phase 2 Approved Minutes for Meeting September 19, 2017 Vincent J. Piccirilli, Jr., To: John Flynn, Town Clerk Vice President From: Vincent J. Piccirilli, Jr., Chair Cc: Members of the Ad Hoc Committee On Victory Field, Phase 2 Michael F. Dattoli, Town Council Councilor At Large School Committee Aaron P. Dushku, Michael J. Driscoll, Town Manager Councilor At Large Dr. Deanne Galdston, School Superintendent Susan G. Falkoff, Councilor At Large Anthony Palomba, Councilor At Large Angeline B. Kounelis, District A Councilor Lisa J. Feltner, District B Councilor Kenneth M. Woodland, District D Councilor Following are the minutes (with attachments) of the seventh meeting of the Ad Hoc Committee On Victory Field, Phase 2 held on September 19, 2017 that were approved at the meeting on October 3, 2017. Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 AD HOC COMMITTEE ON VICTORY FIELD PHASE 2 PHILIP PANE LOWER CONFERENCE ROOM, GROUND FLOOR ADMINISTRATION BUILDING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2017, 7:00 PM MINUTES APPROVED OCTOBER 3, 2017 1. CALL TO ORDER The Chair, District C Councilor Vincent J. Piccirilli, Jr., called to order the seventh meeting of the Ad Hoc Committee on Victory Field, Phase 2, at 7:00 pm in the Lower Conference Room, Ground Floor, Administration Building. Committee members present: Councilors Anthony Palomba (Vice -Chair) and Vincent Piccirilli; Neighborhood/Key Stakeholder Representatives Elliot Friedman, Anne Korte, Elodia Thomas; and Michael Lahiff, Athletic Director; Steven Magoon, Director of Community Development and Planning; and Peter Centola, Recreation Director. Mark Leonard was absent. Also in attendance: Glenn Howard, Project Manager with CDM Smith, and Joanne Killackey-Hogan, taking minutes. Please see attached sign -in sheet for other attendees. The meeting was recorded by Watertown Cable Access. Mr. Piccirilli welcomed members of committee and general public, and stated: • Asking everyone to remain focused, stay on topic, and keep comments brief. • Lighting demonstration was held just before skies September 14. Public really appreciated seeing lighting in action. We will revisit lighting next meeting. • Comments received from the public, distributed to the Committee (attachments 1) 2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Mr. Piccirilli opened the floor for any questions, comments, additions to minutes from the meeting of August 29, 2017. There were none. Mr. Magoon made motion to accept minutes, Ms. Thomas seconded the motion, all were in favor. 3. UNFINISHED BUSINESS FROM AUGUST 29, 2017 MEETING a) Further Discussion and Recommendation on Driveway Mr. Piccirilli distributed copies of two drawings prepared by CDM Smith with two options: #1. Doing complete street treatment on driveway (attachment 2) and #2. Alternative would be traditional roadway with sidewalk and curb maintaining 20' and using grass on either side to put a sidewalk and curb (attachment 3). Opened discussion to committee first and will ask public to make comments before we make decision. Mr. Friedman: Glen, would you like to provide details and review what you are proposing? Mr. Howard: Yes, really it is section between two parking areas. The change would be all along bleachers to ticket booth. Once you get past there, we would be improving the 13 parking spaces. Complete street concept surface treatment — pavers, adding colors, planters, maybe tables to make it a plaza for shared use to warn people in cars this area is not just for cars — it is shared use, slow down. One of benefits is bio-swales, bringing water from street into infiltration planters. Keep scoreboard where it is. Add some amenities to space. Mr. Friedman: You said you need entrance on Orchard street or what would you do there? Mr. Howard: Possibly additional plantings. Mr. Friedman: A sign, or more landscaping. Mr. Howard: We can, we haven't shown anything yet. Mr. Piccirilli: You see a walkway or sidewalk in front end of parking spaces. You had mentioned people could walk Orchard Street rather than through middle of driveway. Page 1 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Friedman: Would be useful. Right by the 3 utility boxes - I think they are on both sides. I hope to do something at the entryway that says it is an entry. I think same on Marion Road. You have some rusting stanchions. Probably have some treatment. A lot of people walk through Marion; I think we should do more. I agree with what you did here. Ms. Thomas: A little more substance. Mr. Friedman: A little more "oomph". In terms of safe streets. when you get to edge to track and field, how are you dealing with track? Mr. Howard: Now it transitions from grass to track. We were talking about no netting, no fencing. Paver would have a granite or concrete edge to transition to sidewalk or to grass pedestrian plaza transition to track. What we are showing is going to the bleacher fence. Mr. Friedman: Is the plaza area raised? Mr. Howard: Yes, slightly. It could be as much as a foot. Mr. Friedman: What type of pavers? Mr. Howard: We will work out with DPW as they will need to be involved as they will be maintaining the surface. Mr. Lahiff: I have had safety concerns with driveway — you have a lot of people exiting after games. Nice improvement in slowing people down - concern about cars and pedestrians. Mr. Palomba: Thank you for doing this. It is helpful to see this as example — does treatment go right into grass, or is there curbing? Mr. Howard: There would have to be curbing there - could be stamped concrete if you went with a paver — (brick paver precast concrete you see them at plazas outside malls). Mr. Palomba: Would there be any value to putting things from middle on side to give it "oomph" to place at entry for continuity? Mr. Howard: You can — on both sides. Mr. Palomba: Your experience while it slows traffic down, is it safer because the traffic is slower? Thinking of people walking and cars moving at same time - is there some problem with that? Mr. Howard: When you add infrastructure for people as you drive it becomes a sense of place, it isn't a street. Mr. Palomba: This is what slows things down — just want to make sure pedestrians and bicyclists know that there are cars there - 13 parking spaces — used by parents, officials and others - concerned about making it clear that they understand area used for cars. Mr. Howard: Interesting while we were doing measurements, a group of kids walked right through center of the road. Mr. Magoon: I think there are 2 things - one takes us to situation that pedestrians and bicyclists are mixing with cars on street. What the suggestion is — let's make this space a shared space so it is not perceived as just a space for cars. 2°d thing - Glen's sketch brings out opportunity to make it an interesting, different place that people will appreciate - come to love as part of complex. Ms. Korte: On design, I like the idea. I think as Steve says, it enhances the area. I think people will get the hang of it — will be a nice improvement. It will be safer than it is now. Page 2 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Centola: Glen, very nice picture, very creative. 3 years ago, we talked about speed bumps on either side. Feel it will be very disrespectful to move cannon we moved 6 years ago, to move it again. We also have to deal with elevator, and be in compliance with state requirements. Opposed to cannon move, it was part of formal entryway. Too much fencing around cannon. Don't know if we have room for curbs. Concerned about not having a fence separating track - this is tiny area. I like raised area, but I really think we cannot do this piecemeal. Also concerned on parking — I'd like people to join me on Saturdays or Sundays - it is bedlam there — to summarize — do not support moving cannon, figure out elevator, figure out scoreboard. Mr. Howard wanted to thank Mr. Magoon for his assistance in developing concept depicted in sketches. Mr. Magoon: Your concerns could be incorporated — I don't think Peter's concerns preclude adopting this concept in terms of parking decision made last meeting. Mr. Centola: I understand and agree — on elevator — say we replace it some have lift and ramp behind —1 think we have to think about it. Mr. Piccirilli: Concern on elevator — idea that we are going to have zig zag to press box on ramp - I don't want to say we can't do this design because if elevator is broken, needs to be fixed but we will not build another building or a series of ramps. We need to be realistic, need to think of concept sharing space and formalizing as such that is decision. Ms. Thomas: I agree with Peter that there is too much fencing around cannon — I disagree on not moving it. I think it could be a dramatic change to entry — gave examples of other areas that have archway entrance -- this is the "primo" field. You could do a big sign above, with the cannon placed and a plaque to explain it — how you slow people down if we have the cannon there with archway you can walk to it. Peter, sorry that you went through the process before, perhaps if we had public discussion, this could have been part of discussion, but can do it now. Mr. Palomba: Either one works with me, if cannon stays there, fine with me. One of the problems with this is that we can agree to concept of shared space that is not so hard, it is when we get into the details. Mr. Palumbo: The amenities, the trees need to be as specific as we can be. Mr. Piccirilli: Once we get to landscaping cannon, trees, come later - need to nail down big things. Mr. Friedman: On cannon, significant number of troops died, horrifying war, WWII was worse, but there should be some notice about WWI - it should be noted, it is important. Mr. Centola: I have had conversations with veterans to have sign there — I had a major disagreement with fence. Should be a nice, formal plaque - one of the things we said we were going to move to where the trees were, but told we could not cut down trees. Mr. Piccirilli: We don't have to decide on cannon yet — the question is — the concept formalizing driveway as shared area. Let's get some feedback from public. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: I really like first sketch — committee should approve with slight tweaking. Dick O'Connor, Channing Road: Those parking spaces that aren't supposed to there — is this in accordance with leaving as is? Mr. Piccirilli: We voted 6-3 not to formalize the 4 spaces. Dick O'Connor: I think we need fence discouraging dogs, bicyclists. The field is dedicated not just to those who died in WWI, but all who fought. My research on cannon is that it was given to town by War Department in 1927 and is a captured German cannon. Libby Shaw, Templeton Pkwy, Trees for Watertown: Talking about trees, not entirely clear if the plan preserves the oaks by parking lot, tennis court or other trees. I've heard people talk about amenities. Trees aren't merely Page 3 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 amenities. Trees provide important ecological services that small trees won't be able to provide for years and years. The oaks are in great shape, really important to conserve those healthy trees and protect the roots during construction — important we protect existing trees. Mark Kraczkiewicz, Riverside Street: I wonder if we could expand the red pavers — to make it a bigger plaza area. I've driven in shared spaces in Europe — you really slow down when you enter, you are almost crawling, if you hit anyone, you nudge at best. Dave Jay, Charles River Road, Stormwater Advisory Committee: Quick notes on sustainability initiatives - applaud infiltration planters — shade trees for cooling. Preserve existing trees, native planting, locally sourced, pollinators, and signage to illustrate these initiatives. Love the shared space. Think it can work really well. You could put curbs on either side - cars will know and walkers stepping off will know — I think it is great. Mr. Magoon: Would like to make motion - endorse concept of shared space, with one change to expand a little further down to the parking lots. Ms. Thomas: 2nd Mr. Piccirilli: Comments? Mr. Friedman: "Oomph" on the entryway. I would like driveways upgraded, whatever the detail. Mr. Piccirilli: Let's separate decision, if committee OK with this. Mr. Lahiff: Are we dealing with lighting on this, or just ground? Mr. Piccirilli: We will speak about lighting next meeting. Mr. Centola: Can you quantify how many feet you would extend? Mr. Magoon: Another 20', based on the 20' on one end, and probably 10' at the other. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: The recommendation is we endorse concept of having the driveway be a shared space using Complete Streets principles, expanded further down to the edge of the parking lots. All in agreement? Vote was 8-0. Mr. Piccirilli: That is great, before we move to stormwater. One is Elliot's question; do we want to talk about what we want to do to entryway? Mr. Magoon: I would agree we should do something to dress it up; don't have details on what it ought to be I would endorse that concept. Mr. Piccirilli: Anyone else have any thoughts. Ms. Thomas: Dramatic, high, I think it should be "oomphy". I would move the cannon, with plaque. I agree with Elliot on the other end - that it gets cleaned up could be done much nicer. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: The recommendation is we want Orchard and Marion entryways to be cleaned up and be more attractive? The specifics will be determined at another day - obviously Orchard Street would get more emphasis, but the Marion Road exit would also be refurbished. All in agreement? Vote was 8-0. Mr. Piccirilli invited public comment: Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: Terrific idea, better than expected. My grandfather was a WWI Veteran, and was one of the Veterans honored. I have the original plaques. Would love to see entry of the tot lot dressed up. It is not a great tot lot don't like the design, like the Mayor Menino tot lot in front of Spaulding Hospital. Can you do something about it? Russ Arico, Fayette Street: As a Veteran myself, I agree entry should be welcoming, explain why it is called Victory Field, including sharing information on sacrifices made by a lot of people. Page 4 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Piccirilli: • On items on driveway - utility poles and overhead wires - I promised we would come back to the issue again. On concept of complete streets, we are going to have to address the power lines. I know there is a cost associated. If we believe it our opportunity to reposition this area as parkland, I believe we agree to consider burying the poles and wires. • Note this is no longer a public road — the wires do not serve abutting neighborhood, only serving Victory Field equipment — with 3 transformers, one for elevator, one for field house, one for Phase 1 lights. • What does committee want to do — should we seek to remove poles, bury wires or not? Ms. Thomas: We are putting so much effort to unify this park and make it aesthetically beautiful, would be ridiculous not to spend the money to drop poles and lines. Let's do it right and do it right once Mr. Palumbo: Does anyone know cost and impact on storm water? Mr. Magoon: Don't think it will impact storm water, just put a conduit, cost - can be significant. Don't want to venture guess. Would support idea with caveat with costs and impact on larger project. I agree with Elodia, while we are here doing this we should bury wires. Mr. Friedman: I think burying would be transformative and amazing. Going to be doing a lot of excavation, does that reduce the cost? Even if the cost is high, still do it. Still my hunch it might be less expensive.tr Ms. Korte: I am for burying poles. Question for Glen, if for some reason we can't bury poles, will if effect the whole concept? Mr. Howard: It would work the way it is. Mr. Palomba: Not ready to sign off on it, only because I don't know the cost. If we sign off — is it more important than planting trees, or other things we want to do? Not ready to say it is a priority. Mr. Piccirilli: When this committee was created, one of things we were asked to do was to come up with design concept and not to consider the cost and many people say how can that be. There are many different elements - hard to determine costs. We aren't engineers - it is going to be developed and go out to bid — will come back to Town Council — sometimes changes made, alternatives considered. Once the Council takes this from committee — they will determine how we as a community will pay for it, at that point the Council will make the decision — they might break it out. Mr. Howard: I am guessing once it goes to Council, if we get authorization to go forward to design, we take to a conceptual level - we estimate costs at 30% stage. Town Council will have a chance to look at 30% to 60% - they can make further determination. Mr. Piccirilli: If we don't recommend it, will not be considered, but if we submit, the council will make a further decision. Dave Jay, Charles River Road, Stormwater Advisory Committee: If you reconstructing road anyway, just a matter of digging trench and laying conduit - not a lot of money in that. May be the expense is in removing wires, removing poles- perhaps you can consider installing the conduits for later use. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: The recommendation is to remove utility poles and bury overhead wires. All in agreement? Vote was 8-0. Page 5 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Piccirilli: Just one last thing I want to bring up, from a discussion with Bob Shore from Marion Road: • Bob pointed out when you look at the field today, the high jump area is on right side, and with the proposed design, it was flipped around to place high jump on left side. When Coach Witt was here, we talked about why this was flipped, and he said it was so the high jump/pole vault area would be closer to the storage units to make it easier to move the pads. • Bob Shore pointed out that it made more sense to put the storage units in the dead area behind the Phase 1 bleachers, instead of putting them at end of track, which is less visibly intrusive area. I am not going to ask for discussion or vote tonight, but this is for the committee to consider when we come back on October 17. Ms. Korte: How did they impact what we just discussed if you do place shot put by back of bleachers does it impact? Mr. Magoon: Just reduces what you have, I think we can still discuss it. Mr. Howard: Might be worth dividing up to 2 smaller structures. b) Discussion and Recommendation on Stormwater Mr. Piccirilli: • Next, talking about storm water technical issues, Glenn has map. We don't have to design the storm water system - just need to make sure it is included on high level. Town has a Stormwater Advisory Committee. • Town has taken a very aggressive approach to manage storm water with ordinances, system in place. • A handout was provided by CDM Smith of Stormwater Control Options (attachment 4). Mr. Howard provided overview of what is in place: • Massive drain line that goes out to property, 5' in diameter comes from park. • Field catch basin goes into surface drains. • Town of Watertown far exceeds state standards. We will have storm water engineers review do calculations on options, look at options to see how much we can infiltrate on site there is a lot of structure not a lot of open space we are looking at every option in this meeting maybe if Matt tells us what has worked in town, what has not worked. Once we get final concept plan, we can begin to do calculations. Mr. Piccirilli: Just to summarize, the committee doesn't have to make any recommendations - the Town of Watertown is going to make determination depending on what final design will be. Not sure we have to do more than that - will be happy to let Matt say something and then talk to committee to weigh in. Matt Shuman, Town Engineer: • Glenn summarized very well. I'd like designer to look at small rain gardens - might work. • Consideration on costs and soil, as Glenn pointed out in terms of pavers - might be maintenance. We don't want to install things that might be subject to failure. Mr. Friedman and Mr. Palomba asked for more clarification relative to surface. Mr. Shuman provided information on issues that arise with different surfaces. Mr. Centola: We met with the Stormwater Advisory Committee to discuss during the initial design. Mr. Magoon: What Matt was saying, porous asphalt has a history of clogging unless regularly vacuumed. Tend not to endorse — pavers don't tend to clog. Still a lot of things we can consider look at holistically and incorporate as much storm water management as possible into final design. Mr. Palomba: Trying to understand — on shared space, what are the pavement options? Mr. Magoon: Change is surface treatment - to make it a different space - can be just a color change — does not need to be permeable or porous. Would like it to be permeable even if it is not porous. Can be different color to show different space. Page 6 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Palomba: Are we making the decision of what shared space will look like and what pieces of storm water management we are supposed to be looking at? What are tradeoffs? Mr. Howard: I think Matt was saying precast concrete pavers rather than permeable. Mr. Shuman: We would consider both. Mr. Howard: • What Matt was saying for long-term stability, precast pavers on a really well designed base will be long lasting, less damage long term. • Coming up with plan, DPW can tell us what to expect. Design a base that will be long lasting. Mr. Palomba: I understand difference. Will this committee be making recommendation permeable paving used as much as possible, especially in shared space? Ms. Thomas: • On surface, plowing versus where you are walking. • Natural turf people talked about how to do good drainage. • Looking at all those pipes going to one area near Ann's house, it would make sense to have as much green space as possible. Had no idea there was so much at one end of field. How many elements do we have to incorporate to get storm water right? Asked David Stokes, Chairman Stormwater Advisory Committee to comment. David Stokes, Lawrence St, Stormwater Advisory Committee: • Spoke at length about this over course of two meetings. • We are not storm water engineers by trade, but looking at couple of things — adherence to permit process/town ordinance Glenn has touched on this how much you have to hold. We are also looking at things we can use to highlight storm water best practices around town — holding water under tennis court, considering surface, rain garden in the comer looking for best practices for storm water projects. • Communicate to the committee. I'm sure Glenn and the committee heard this - would love to see rain garden. Tennis court that may be permeable, with ability of parks and DPW personnel to maintain. There is a lot of technology - new and advanced - would like to look at all of this. Dave Jay, Charles River Road, Stormwater Advisory Committee: Walden Pond placed porous asphalt in 70s - still in place today. Mr. Palomba: Could use as experiment to see how it wears. Mr. Howard: I see more of a benefit if you were going to place in the parking spaces. I think you want to have shared space - call it out, as a plaza. I don't like colored asphalt or stamped concrete if you are serious on shared space pavers. Mr. Palomba: I would like experimentation opportunity with permeable pavement, not huge areas - great place to test. Mr. Magoon: I was going to suggest porous asphalt - you need equipment to maintain a vacuum sweeper we don't have one. We would have to spend few hundred thousand for a few feet of surface. Page7of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Piccirilli: The Stormwater Advisory Committee wrote us letter would like to ask committee to consider the 4 points. 1) Reach for the goal of reducing stormwater runoff rate, volume, and nutrient loading to the maximum extent practicable. 2) Incorporate the following stormwater Best Management Practices (BMPs) and features, again, to the maximum extent practicable: a) Low Impact Design (LID) techniques b) Pervious pavement c) Porous and other stormwater friendly surface treatments, including the tennis and basketball courts d) Various techniques for infiltration of stormwater e) Reuse of stormwater for irrigation 3) Highlight stormwater BMPs and features of the Phase 2 renovation with a variety of educational signage and other showcasing techniques. 4) Introduce stormwater BMPs and features that do not require undue maintenance beyond current resources and effort levels for their success. Mr. Piccirilli: Does committee endorse the 4 points? Mr. Magoon: Move to consider. Mr. Centola: Field needs to be practical and safe other than that, yes. Ms. Thomas: Many parents would like to have some educational garden feature seen by committee changed in seasons educative, perhaps near tot lot. Mr. Lahiff: I think we had evaluation from Phase I — have there been any issues? Want to compliment Glenn and DPW — have complete confidence in them. Mr. Piccirilli: In past, there were issues on the football field where water didn't infiltrate — Phase 1 placed crushed stone under the artificial turf - it really stores a lot of water to slowly drain. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: I agree with the 4 suggestions. The underlying, most important word is practical - we don't want anything that is a maintenance nightmare. Mr. Piccirilli: The recommendation is to endorse the 4 points provided by the Stormwater Advisory Committee. All in agreement? Vote was 8-0. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: One thing aesthetics of shared space are not really effected by drainage — at what point does all of this get worked out — I understand it is a really technical thing — never hear answer. Does this come after concept — when does it happen in design sequence? Mr. Howard: Probably 6 -month design — we would provide 30%, 60%, 90% - after 30% concept, we get into specifics. Ms. Thomas: Given work of the committee and input of the community, would be great to hold meetings to educate the community, we have great momentum let's move forward - that if this ends in November - would like to keep this as open as possible - gets into what Tony and Steve Kennedy have been saying. Mr. Friedman: On contract who handles. Steve or DPW? Who is project manager - what entity is pushing this. Mr. Howard: That is up to the town some have been small - Peter, or DPW. Mr. Piccirilli: Once Town acts on proposal the administration — Recreation Department, community level, team approach will work on it. Will always come back to the Council before goes out to bid or to appropriate money — to Elodia's point, hope that council will have community meeting at 30-60- 90- day, but council takes the responsibility. Page 8 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Friedman: Some person or entity will be doing the day-to-day contract stuff, don't understand what entity managing this - I know it is reviewed by council is it an individual. Mr. Piccirilli: Typically, whoever wins the contract — DPW would be involved. Mr. Howard: All projects have included community process — I would think there would still be a community process like every other project Peter and I have done - we had public meetings at 30%. Mr. Piccirilli: Have done this in past with other projects our job is to get that initial recommendation. We will stay involved. c) Discussion and Recommendation on Perimeter Walls Mr. Piccirilli: Glenn, can you please give us summary about perimeter walls? Mr. Howard: Only one wall runs to abutters and feathers out almost a foot high going to corner on first concept design. DPW indicated we needed to look at wall. Had structural engineer review, indicated problems with wall. Will put contract together to have much more in-depth review, evaluation of the wall the wall. Needs some work, can't say whether replace or repair. Ms. Thomas: You do have another wall towards the field house - starts there behind Steve Kennedy's house - needs to be addressed — slopes — did you have chance to look at it? Mr. Howard: You have a double fence line with property owners - you have chain link fence for tennis courts — and owners with their fences. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: The reason there is the little wall - the stuff from tennis court pushed over and destroyed my fence. The DPW built the little wall to address this — it is a real issue for abutters further along. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: If Town owns retaining wall — what is discussion - if dirt is infiltrating — we need to repair it. Mr. Centola: A couple of things — obviously retaining wall needs to be looked at and fixed. Whole area needs to be looked at. My recommendation is to put one of the noise barrier walls up - some neighbors want to look in, others don't. I know it might be contentious. I think you can have one wall - fix it up make it look nice. We have a lot of complaints, too - noisy kids out playing - some of these noise control walls are really nice, can grow things adjacent to the walls. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: I don't understand one thing is retaining wall, the other thing is a fence. I think it should be separated. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: For retaining walls — Understand that it will be fixed on east Katherine Rd side, and the south Marion Rd side. Even though CDM Smith only looked at eastern side, we need to look at southern side. Other than that, don't think we need to make any other recommendation. Is committee OK with that? Vote was 8-0. c) Discussion and Recommendation on Fencing Ms. Korte: Some of the posts are in the retaining wall. I can say that in almost 20 years, no work has been done on wall. Retaining wall in same condition as when I bought my house. The fencing in some areas is in the wall. I don't know if something will change. Mr. Howard: In original plan, we were going to cut down the old fence, grout the wall, and bring the new chain link fence, new fence posts on the park -side of the retaining wall. I think in some cases, fence causing problems with wall. Page 9 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Ms. Korte: Correct. From my end down to the end, only one house down from mine - we have invasive growth in the fence, and in the wall. Mr. Palomba: I like idea - fence inside wall. I like Peter's idea of noise control fencing. There are some attractive things that can be done. I like concept, particularly behind tennis court. I think we should address noise issue. Ms. Korte: Noise doesn't bother me - no noise coming from Victory Field. As Peter mentioned, some people like to look. I would go with what works best for everyone. I like open fence. Mr. Piccirilli: A handout was provided by CDM Smith of Noise Control Fencing Options (attachment 5). First, let's focus on the fence on the southern side, along Marion Rd. Mr. Palomba: Start with fence that might go near Marion Road, tennis court - unless strong disagreement - I would like to put some noise control fence. Mr. Howard: One consideration fencing around tennis courts needs to be 12' high. Ms. Thomas: • We have black chain link fence and my wood fence against it. • Now we have space - seedlings growing between. • Noise amplification to get everyone "revved up". • The idea the kids on court laughing doesn't bother me. • Real issue is the trash vegetation growing through the 2 fences and weed patch. • Need advice on this and Steve - you are impacted more than anyone. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: The basketball court is noisy - no fence will take care of me on 2°d floor — I just landscaped planted trees at piece with the chain link fence — have to weed the area — I will just say the 12' fence would be just awful. I find these noise fences ugly - don't think they would be effective. Ms. Thomas: The tennis fence at 15' would like a prison wall. I have a 6 ft stockade fence. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: I object to the walls. You can accomplish same thing by planting hemlocks, would look a lot prettier. I would be willing to plant enough hemlocks to buffer noise — trees look better. Would not want to see these fences around yard. Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: Was going to share wall done in Florida. Not an ugly wall - you can plant trees in front of it. Jim Brouillard, Marion Road: I agree with Elodia. There is a gap between tennis court fence and our back yard fence. Would not be in favor of noise reduction fence. Don't want to be in backyard where I can't see what is going on — find solution where line is — planting partial retaining wall black fence that is there. Mr. Piccirilli: • So we have tennis and basketball - black chain link fence is there and is needed. • We hear from neighbors that are there are grade changes, retaining wall is causing problems for people who placed fences. • Elodia has wooden fence, 2 other abutters don't have fences. What I am hearing is that they do not want a solid wall - they want to have some privacy. There is a gap problem. • Is solution to keep 12' high chain link — place a fence for those who want it use the chain link fence post from a technical standpoint. Will that to make everyone happy? Mr. Centola: • Have had meetings - neighbors tennis court side — sometimes not always about neighbors — want to have recreation programs without complaints about noise. • Agree fencing needs to be corrected. We get more complaints - not just music we get complaints. Page 10 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 • At some point have to take what neighbors say and what is best interest over time — let the neighbors pick fence, take away metal fence, give them their privacy. • I agree it needs to be cleared up. I would like to committee consider tennis court side barrier soundproof fence Ms. Thomas: None of the neighbors complain about bouncing tennis balls or kids playing. Mr. Centola: Complain about the music for tennis. Ms. Thomas: This is a different story. Mr. Centola: The Recreation Department would like to run programs. Try to make neighbors happy. At some point, neighbors have to give a little. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: I don't think soundproofing walls would be adequate. We had talked about music - that didn't bother us for a year and we asked you to go back to that and no one could figure it out. Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: I don't get bothered by music, I can't stand hearing the screaming obscenities. Mr. Piccirilli: Are we going to have an 8'solid barrier wall? Do we also need a 12'? I would say it needs to be just as high as fence or combo — 12' solid wall? Jim Brouillard, Marion Road: Music not a problem. Basketball sometimes - not every night. I don't want a 12' wall Catherine Reurs, Marion Road: We can certainly hear things in summer - question on soundproofing walls - they are usually very tall like 20 — 25' ... is a 12' wall really going to help? Mr. Howard: I have never put a solid wall between park and abutter. I would think 12' would do some sound attenuation on first floor - would it come around? I couldn't tell you. Dave Jay, Charles River Road, Stormwater Advisory Committee: Sound doesn't bend — most of the sound bouncing off ground — if you are going to put a 12' wall - you don't need a fence — you don't want 2 fences - can't maintain between them. Ms. Thomas: Mixing apples and oranges. We aren't talking about tennis or basketball — we are talking about music in the summer. The sound is breaking all laws — it is as simple as that. I am speaking about the law. No one wants to live in a prison yard. Mr. Centola: As a committee person, I have the suggestion to discuss the fence - if committee would like to speak about it, maybe we bring in person who builds these walls and get feedback. Mr. Palomba: I do think there are some places impacted by sound, Susan has mentioned this. I don't want to rule out use of sound barrier fencing around park, maybe we should bring someone in — are there areas you can use soundproofing fence that may work for abutters? If there are those that don't want it, all right — but we don't want to rule it out. Mr. Piccirilli: • I agree with Tony, but let's talk about Marion Road side first. How many people would want a 12' high solid wall across entire length of their backyard? • If my neighbor placed a 12' fence, I'd be concerned. Big difference between 6' fence and 12' fence. • What is problem we are trying to solve on southern side - we need 12' to keep balls in. We have a coated black chain -link fence that works, doesn't seem to bother abutters. Is there is an issue with visual - some neighbors would like wooden fence - does provide some noise abatement. Libby Shaw, Templeton Pkwy, Trees for Watertown: You tend to ignore what you can't see. Page 11 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 Mr. Piccirilli: • Shrubs don't help with noise, but provide visual attenuation. Keeping 12' fence in place, and place 6' foot wooden fence so we don't have gap - is that something that abutters would be happy with and work for town? An improved version of what is already there. Southerly stretch - is this best solution (Marion Road). • Some neighbors would like vegetation, no visual barrier, small fence. I think difficult hodgepodge. 12' coated chain link fence deals with ball issue, keeping property line - let the property owner decide what they want. Ms. Thomas: Zoning is 6' on fencing. Mr. Magoon: Let each abutter decide what they want on their own property. Town side needs consistency. Ms. Thomas: We need to clean up along fence line. Ms. Korte: I agree with Steve and Elodia - personal preference as abutter we all deal with different ways. I haven't heard anyone on Marion Road complain about town fence. I've heard complaints about space between both fences. Let abutters decide what they want. Mr. Piccirilli: My feeling is that we can recommend that people place their own fence against chain -link fence that is town property — can we recommend? Mr. Magoon: There are a variety of spaces —my opinion don't put a 2nd fence on town property. Mr. Palomba: Why don't we put the same type of fence and put it on town property so there is no space. We aren't talking about money. Put it where it belongs. If someone wants to do something against that, they can do so. It eliminates the gap you have chain link fence, people can put up wall, plantings. Let's put fence where our property ends. Mr. Piccirilli: If solution is to place, move chain link fence at end of property. We place gravel and people can do what they want. For example, if Steve wants a wooden fence. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: It won't work if there is any space. You will get debris that rots. When DPW built that retaining wall, one of things they said if you want you can consider weaving strips in the chain link, or attach a fence to the chain link. You've got the cross bars - if town would be willing to let people attach fence to chain link you can do all sorts of things (doors on them to remove debris/growth). Mr. Piccirilli: Glenn, the idea of 12' chain link fence - real issue attaching to poles. Mr. Howard: You'd have to attach upside poles it gets tricky and detailed, but don't think it cannot be done. Mr. Piccirilli: Would alternative be if someone like Steve Kennedy says I want stockade fence; can he place metal pole on property line? I'd put a concrete curb - extend out - never will be have things grow- you will never eliminate leaves getting up. You can lift it up enough to allow you to get under it — gap 6" inch space at most between fences instead of wooden fence, 3" from ground you can scoop out - concrete nothing will grow. Technical solution that will work. Ms. Thomas: All I need to know - this is your fence - this is in your property - lift up so we can clean. Sloping wall with debris needs to be cleaned. Mr. Howard: Concrete curb can act as a retaining wall. Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: Impossible to put a fence against a fence - you can't stain it - we have problems with that. Mr. Palumbo: Would like to make motion. We ask fence be placed on property line, on town's property line. That Page 12 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 fence be a black coated 12' chain link, that fence will be on property line. Anyone wants to do anything on other side of property line, ok. That is just all we are talking about, just space around Marion Road. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: Will that allow for concrete ledge? Mr. Howard: If we are placing concrete strip around fence? Mr. Palomba: With a concrete strip. Mr. Howard: Wide enough to provide footing for abutters if the condition of existing fence ok, what is real value to moving the fence. We could add concrete footing without moving fence. Mr. Centola: To get exact property line, would like to match what is there now. Mr. Palomba: We move fence to property line, and include a cement border that fence be moved to let abutter know where town property begins. Mr. Centola: Current size of fence works now. Ms. Thomas: Years ago, my suggestion was fence go up and angle it. would keep tennis balls in, we get the tennis balls - that does not bother me. The main thing I have 6'x 8' panels - the gap was created. The garbage material needs to be fixed- can't move fence because of the rubble. Mr. Piccirilli: Yes, the existing chain link fence height fine. Mr. Magoon: I like Glenn's idea. If we are going to have the apron, you are going to have fence back - we want an apron with space where abutter could place - if you put fence right against my property line, the concrete will extend further - you don't need to move fence. Mr. Piccirilli: if existing fence today is close to existing property line, we don't have to replace, we can just fill in concrete under. Mr. Palomba: Abutters now would have concrete on their property and that is ok? An apron ok with abutters? Ms. Thomas: I want to know where property line is- is it on my property or town - rubble needs to be addressed. I would do it differently - dig down, put plastic, put weed kill rather than concrete. Mr. Piccirilli: So town is going to keep existing, or replace with similar on property line? And then for neighbors who want to fill in fence with concrete, if people don't want anything there up to individual abutter. Since everyone has their own preference, we want to avoid situation where weeds can accumulate and grown from Town -side. It is a uniform 12' fence. Ms. Thomas: He wants town fence there, Jerry and I have no problem. Just need to figure it out - straighten out the problem - and establish back line we don't have enough information. Mr. Palomba: Motion fence be moved to town property line and apron of cement onto abutter property if they want to place a fence there - no vegetation. I will amend the fence gets put on property line and that cement apron would be used depending on each abutters preference. Mr. Centola: I don't think town should bear cost of cement, not legal to do so. Let neighbors pay/pour cement. Ms. Thomas: Part of problem is some of land slopes - they didn't put curb to contain tennis court. Mr. Centola: should clean that up. Mr. Piccirilli: Page 13 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 • Maybe because there is a grade change, maybe what we are really saying along property line — 4" curb - it is on back end of the curb. This contains, protects the pavement from breaking up. • You have abutters property, curb about 4" - that curb - fence would be on the town -side of curb. Then there is a place nothing will grow - neighbor could place fence against curb, the base of the curb is on the edge of the property line. The town fence post is one the town -side, 4" curb is on town -side. Mr. Howard: Apron where cement is the property line for town and our town fence sits on the inside of the cement curbed footing. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: For the southern aide fencing, along Marion Rd - There will be a concrete curb with the face along the property line — the existing height black chain link fence will be on the town side, and the abutters can put a fence if they choose along the face of the curb on the property line — and the curb will prevent vegetation from growing. Is committee OK with that? Vote was 8-0. Steve Kennedy, Marion Rd: One comment you might look at retaining wall that DPW built quite nice brick might consider looking at for curb footing conceptual. Mr. Piccirilli: That will be worked out in conceptual phase. Mr. Piccirilli: Next if we could talk about easterly side - Katherine Road - does not need 12' fence. Would include this little southern piece, too, along the shot-put area. Would the appropriate thing there be a 6' metal fabric plastic - coated fence inside town property? If individual property owners wanted to place a 6' stockade fence they can do so. The fence will be on inside town property instead of current configuration on top of the wall. I know Susan Folino has issue with tot -lot, so let's talk about up to the tot -lot area. Is the committee comfortable with that? Mr. Centola: Why are we stopping a Folino household? Mr. Piccirilli: They have issue with noise from the tot lot. Ms. Korte: I am fine with what there is now. Black -coated will be better. I think my property after Folinos, the wall a few doors down is very high. When it gets to my house, there is a slope. My property goes 2' to zero - my neighbors have a stockade fence. It is fine with me. Ms. Thomas: You may have same issue trying to cut the mess of invasive weeds that grows there - that should be cleaned out as well before new fence. Mr. Piccirilli: Yes, would have to be cleared before retaining wall is done - all invasive stuff will be removed. Fence is currently 6'. Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: I measured it is 7'. Mr. Lahiff asked Anne: do you have any issues? Ms. Korte: We have had one person jump over the fence, my husband got him - no problem since. Mr. Howard: One interesting point, at 6' don't need mid -rail — at 8' you do - sometimes mid -rail gives kids a footing to go over. 4 Mr. Piccirilli: For the eastern aide fencing, along Katherine Rd - from the end of the tennis courts to the beginning of the tot lot — to have the fence be 6 ft high black costed chain link. Is committee OK with that? Vote was 8-0. Mr. Piccirilli: • Before going to tot -lot fence along Orchard Street, we have a 4' fence along Orchard Street which comes up along edge of driveway. and along the sprint track, with various gates. Do we want to maintain fencing where we currently have today? • Orchard Street fencing is in fairly bad shape, would our recommendation be to replace it with black coated Page 14 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 chain link with gates to be determined? Mr. Centola: I am sorry. I feel rushed. I don't think we should rush. we talked about iron gate to make it more appealing — the front should be something similar to main grate. Mr. Magoon: I think you might like to do something different in shared space — decorative instead of chain link. Ms. Thomas: Can we get samples for next meeting? Mr. Piccirilli: Can our decision be that we can look at options? Mr. Howard: We can bring options for next meeting. Mr. Friedman: Whether we need fencing at all along Orchard - might have just plantings. Mr. Howard: I think you need fencing around the area little kids could wander out. Ms. Thomas: You need fencing. Mr. Piccirilli: What do we want to do with tot -lot fence - along the property is that an area - the fence there is a really problem. We have steel fencing - that fence is higher than rest - I am going to ask Susan do you want a soundproof fencing? Susan Folino-Bryant, Orchard St: Hard to maintain the fence we have now. Mr. Piccirilli: We can continue chain -link, and you continue to have fence and what you want, or do we put a wooden fence? Could be other options — can't decide - place this on agenda for next meeting. Would like committee to think of these 2 options, and perhaps another option. Ms. Thomas: Many parents have asked for different landscaping, shade trees. How would this effect fencing - I keep getting emails. Mr. Piccirilli: Next meeting we will do fence first, then landscaping, etc. Placeholder on this and come back to next meeting - prepared to make decision. Russ Arico, Fayette Street: Would like to thank members of committee for their efforts. 4. ADJOURNMENT Mr. Piccirilli thanked committee for their work, and members of public for their feedback and participation. Motion to adjourn 9:59 pm. All in agreement. Page 15 of 16 Victory Field Phase 2 ad hoc Committee — Meeting Minutes September 19, 2017 ITEMS TO CARRY OVER TO NEXT MEETING 1. Further discussion and recommendation on Fencing along the tot -lot, Orchard Street, driveway, and other areas internal to the site. 2. Further discussion and recommendation on Lighting 3. Discussion and recommendation on Other Equipment, Fixtures, Landscaping, Amenities 4. Discussion and recommendation on Other Elements Not Identified in the September 2014 Proposal 5. Re -review recommendations for all elements to insure consistency and unity, and discuss a draft report to Town Council 6. Discussion on programming and glare from the lights on Phase 1 LIST OF DOCUMENTS USED DURING THE MEETING 1. Emails received from the public August 29 through September 18 2. Drawing - Driveway option - Complete Streets 3. Drawing - Driveway option - extended pathway 4. Handout - Stormwater Control Options 5. Handout — Noise Control Fencing Options Page 16 of 16 ELECTED OFFICIALS: Watertown Town Council�rc� :'%.� Administration Building 2 p h ; Q� j ��✓. 149 Main Street MA f�� �fc�(, j Watertown, 02472 Phone:617.972.6470 4%. 3p Mark S. Sideris, MEETING NOTICE Council President AD HOC COMMITTEE ON VICTORY FIELD PHASE 2 Vincent J. Piccirilli, Jr., TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 19, 2017, 7:00 PM Vice President PHILIP PANE LOWER CONFERENCE ROOM, GROUND FLOOR Michael F. Dattoli, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING Councilor At Large Aaron P. Dushku, AGENDA Councilor At Large Susan G. Falkoff, 1. Call to Order Councilor At Large Anthony Palomba, 2, Approval of Minutes from August 29, 2017 Councilor At Large Angeline B. Kounelis, 3. Unfinished Business from August 29, 2017 Meeting District A Councilor a) Further Discussion and Recommendation on Driveway Lisa J. Feltner, b) Discussion and Recommendation on Stormwater System, Perimeter Walls, and District B Councilor Fences c) Discussion and Recommendation on Other Equipment, Fixtures, Landscaping, Kenneth M. Woodland, Amenities District D Councilor Please Note: Due to time limitations, the Ad Hoc Committee will not be taking up the action items listed below in the September 19 meeting; they will be deferred to October 3. d) Further Discussion and Recommendation on Lighting e) Discussion and Recommendation on Other Elements Not Identified in the September 2014 Proposal Please Note: Due to time limitations, the Ad Hoc Committee will not be taking up the action item listed below in the September 19 meeting; it will be deferred to October 17. f) Re -Review Recommendations for all Elements for Consistency and Unity, and Produce Draft Report to Town Council. 4. Adjournment Vincent J. Piccirilli, Jr., Chair cc: Town Council Michael J. Driscoll, Town Manager School Committee Dr. Deanne Galdston, School Superintendent =�AEBWADdW -�_ i�9 0, 141 tf avid Sthves 30 Lawre AQ S�, 2 September 19, 2017 Members of the ad hoc Committee on Victory Field Phase 2: Attached are all the emails or other correspondence that I received since August 29 through September 18 from the public, or that were forwarded to me from other members of the Committee, and are for our consideration as we develop our recommendations. Thanks Vincent Piccirilli Chair Page 1 of 3 Date: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:29 PM From: Ernesta Kraczkiewicz, Riverside St To: vpiccirilli@watertown-ma.gov Subject: Victory Field Phase 2: shared -use driveway Dear Vinnie, Please distribute my comments below to the other members of the Victory Field Committee. I strongly favor the shared -use driveway (and parking area) that was discussed at the last Victory Field Phase 2 meeting. I have seen these in use in Europe and they work extremely well. I disagree with the concern expressed in the last meeting that Americans will not adjust to the need for slow driving in the shared zone, particularly if they have driven to Victory Field on a superhighway. European drivers tend to drive even faster on their superhighways, and do manage to change their behavior in shared -use areas. Shared -use streets have been successfully introduced in several American cities as well. It has been shown that people automatically drive more slowly when there are traffic calming improvements such as narrower roadways where the edges feel close to the driver. Even more so, if drivers see pedestrians and bikers in the same space, they are forced to become alert, automatically slow down and avoid collisions with people. The experience of shared -use roads is that there are much fewer accidents, and smoother traffic flows. I think this area of Victory Field would be an excellent place to use this technique. 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