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Home My Public Portal AboutAAC Minutes 1992 09/92AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE I. ATTENDING: John Wolf Gordon Colburn Tom Tucker SEPTEMBER 2, 1992 Kim Allen Chuck Sundby Mayor Smith Bud Schmidt Jim Townley Kirk Braun II. INTRODUCTION OF NEW MEMBER: Mayor Smith introduced Tom Tucker. Mr. Tucker, a retired Navy pilot, explained his interest and eagerness to serve on the committee. III. STATUS REPORTS: Staff reported on the removal of the RAMOS system, AWOS lightening strikes and installation of an automatic restart mechanism, execution and progress on construction of the Flightline system hangars, old hangar leases, the accident on the field on August 23, and damage to the new taxiway asphalt due to USFS helibase operations. IV. FUTURE TAXIWAY DEVELOPMENT: ++++++++++++++ Chuck Sundby of Toothman-Orton Engineering discussed this issue with the Committee. He noted that the development of additional taxiways to serve new hangar construction is not included in the 1990 Preapplication for FAA/AIP grant assistance. He reviewed the needs for amending the Capital Improvement Program annually, and the FAA's request for an amended preapplication from the city. He noted that it may still be possible to secure 1993 funding. It was noted that prior to design, the city would need to do another engineer selection process. The inclusion of upgrading the AWOS to a level III system was also discussed. After discussion, Colburn moved to recommend to the City Council that the city amend its work order with Toothman-Orton Engineering to include the preparation of an updated CIP and an amended Preapplication as discussed. Wolf seconded and the motion carried unanimously. V. COMPLAINT, UNSAFE AIRCRAFT OPERATION: Jim Townley appeared and asked the committee to consider a complaint about the unsafe operation of an aircraft by Tom Wooten. The committee advised that he take up the matter with the staff who agreed to correspond with Mr. Wooten. VI. OTHER BUSINESS: +++++++++++ A. Old Hangar Leases, paving specifications Colburn discussed the paving requirements set forth in the lease and noted that this required the removal and replacement of materials for the base course which seemed unnecessary and uneconomical. He believed that the removal of 2-3" of material, that is required to install the asphalt lift would be sufficient. The engineers expressed no objection to the plan and suggested that provisions be included in such an agreement that (1) if soft spots appear during the grading, that these be dug out and filled with compacted fill before paving, (2) that after paving if other deterioration occurs such as cracking, soft spots etc, that the lessees be required to repair these and that (3) the soil be sterilized to deter weed growth through the asphalt. After discussion, Colburn moved to recommend to the city council that the city prepare and execute addendum to the leases amending the asphalt requirements for the 8 old hangar leases subject to the engineers recommendations above. Wolf seconded and the motion carried. The Engineers agreed to assist in drafting alternative wording for the asphalt specifications. B.CITY AIRPORT LEVY: Mr. Colburn appealed to the mayor to include a city airport levy in the city budget. Mayor Smith indicated his support for this approach to funding the airport development. C. FAA CERTIFICATION INSPECTION: Staff reported that the FAA has physically inspected the airport and that most of the deficiencies were minor and had been corrected. The safety area on the south end of the t. runway is deficiently sized and must be expanded. Staff negotiated a compliance date of Spring of 1993 on this project. The engineers suggested that this be done with the city crew and not included in and AIP project. J. ADJOURNMENT: At 8:45A.M., without further business, Colburn moved to adjourn, Wolf seconded and the motion carried. espect `• 11 ub u n, Adtirig Secretary PENDING ITEMS: 1. REVIEW FLIGHTLINE OPTION STATUS 2. ENGINEER SELECTION 3. EXPAND SAFETY ZONE, SOUTH END OF R/W EPT. 7.'":j. I cog. MR. BUD SCHM I DT 1TY ADM! NISTRATGR MCCALL, ID. DEAR BUD, THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO MY PRESENTATION TO THE MCCALL AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE C)F SFPTFriBFR `' ; 99:7, UPON THE COMMITTEE'S ADVICE, I Am S! �BMITTING THE REPORT OF THE INCIDENT WHICH OCCURED AT THE AIRPORT IN LATE JULY. I AM SORRY FOR THE DELAY„AS THE AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTE DID NOT HAVE ITS SCHEDULED AUGUST MEETING, I FEEL AS THE COMMITTEE DID, THAT THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, IF POSSIBLE, I AM ASKING THAT MR. WOOTEN'S CONDUCT ON THIS INCIDENT BE REPORTED TO HIM, AND THAT A PROPER SANCTION BE IMPOSED. THERE ARE TOO MANY COLLISIONS AND NEAR MISSES AROUND NON TOWER AIRPORTS TO TAKE THIS SORT OF CONDUCT BY PILOTS LIGHTLY, I WILL BE OUT OF MCCALL UNTIL THE FIRST OF NOVEMBER.. I WILL CONTACT YOU AFTER THAT T!f `IE FOR FOLLOW—UP. 10ERELY, m TOWNLEY BOX ] 5O5 MCCALL, I D ROUGH DRAFT OF A LETTER TO FAA MR. JOHN GOOSETREE, FAA. 3975 RICKENBACKER DR • BO I SE, ID 836705 ON FRIDAY JULY 31, 1992, AT APPROXIMATELY 3:30 PM, I TAXIED MY AIRPLANE (4957D) TOWARD THE 16 RUNWAY AT MCCALL, IDAHO. AFTER MY USUAL WARM-UP, I ANNOUNCED MY INTENTION ON 122.8. "MCCALL TRAFFIC, SKYLANE 4957D TAKING OFF 16 MCCALL, CLOSED COURSE". AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME SOMEONE ANNOUNCED (PHARAPHASE), MCCALL UN I COM 5 MILES SOUTH, INBOUND. THE MCCALL U I NCOM ADVISED TO THE EFFECT VERY LITTLE WIND, PILOTS DESCRET I ON, ADVISED 34, LEFT HAND PATTERN. I REPEATED MY ORIGINAL ANNOUNCEP'1ENT. I CLIMBED TO 500 TO 700 FEET, MADE A NINETY DEGREE LEFT TURN, CLIMBED TO APPROXIMATELY 800 FT AGL, MADE A 90 DEGREE LEFT TURN AND ANNOUNCED I WAS "DOWN -WIND FOR 16 MCCALL". I I r1MED I ATELY NOTICED AN AI PLANE CROSSING DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH ME, APPROXIMATELY 400 TO 600 FEET AGL, ON A HEADING OF ABOUT 270 DEGREES. I PROMPTLY IDENTIFIED MYSELF AND ASKED THE OTHER PILOT TO FOLLOW FAA REGULATIONS AS IT PERTAINED TO RECOGNIZED APPROACH AND PATTERN BEHAVIOR. THE VOICE IMMEDIATELY ANSWERED THAT IF I DID NOT LIKE HIS FLYING TO SEE HIM AT HIS HANGAR. THE PLANE THEN MADE A TIGHT 270 DEGREEE LEFT TURN AND LANDED ON 34, WITHOUT EVEN GOING OVER THE END OF THE RUNWAY (34). I MADE ANOTHER TOUCH AND GO, AS 1 HAD JUST HAD MY PLANE THRU THE ANNUAL, AND WAS CHECKING INSTRUMENTS. I WATCHED WHERE THE AIRPLANE TAXIED. UPON LANDING, I TAXIED TO THE MCCALL AIRTAXI HANGAR, AND ASKED IF SOMEONE WOULD GO WITH ME TO TALK TO THE PILOT. BILL DORR I S, OWNER 7-• OF THE MCCALL AIRTAXI. TOLD ME HE HAD HEAR MY CONVERSATION WITH THE OTHER PILOT. HE SAID THE PERSON WAS TOM WOOTEN, WHOM I D I D NOT KNOW. BRUNER HHRNE, A FRIEND AND FELLOW PILOT, SAID HE WOULD GO WITH ME AS A WITNESS TO WHAT WAS BEING SAID, I DROVE TO TOM WOOTEN'S PLANE (N206WD) IN MY PICKUP. ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES OF PIONEER AVIATION WAS AT TOM WOOTEN'S HANGAR. I GOT OUT OF MY PICKUP, AND BEFORE I COULD SAY A WORD, HE (THE PIONEER AVIATION EMPLOYEE SAID, " I'M GETTING OUT OF HERE". I WALKED TO THE MAN AND SAID, "I AM JIM TOWNLEY, THE PILOT OF THE OTHER PLANE, ARE YOU THE PILOT I WAS TALKING TOE'' THE MAN, WHO I LATER FOUND OUT WAS TOM WOOTEN SAID THAT HE WAS. 1 TOLD HIM THAT I DIDN'T FEEL THAT HE VJAS FOLLOWING NORMAL PROCEDURE FOR LANDING AT AN AIRPORT A.ND THAT HE WAS ENDANGERING ME, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF HE WOULD FOLLOWING STANDARD PROCEDURES IN THE FUTURE. HE STATED THAT HE HAD PERMISSION FROM THE UN I COM PERSON TO USE 34 AND THAT HE WAS MAKING A "UNKNOWN FIELD APPROACH" I REMINDED HIM THAT A UN I COM IS ONLY "ADVISORY" AND THAT HE WAS RESPONS I BLE FOR HIS AI RPLANE. AT THIS POINT HE SHOUTED DIRECTLY TO ME, "FUCK YOU". I SAID, "THIS IS THE END OF THIS CONVERSATION" TURNED AROUND AND GOT IN MY PICKUP. HE CONTINUED THIS HOSTILE LANGUAGE DIRECTED TO ME. I SAID, "I WILL REPORT THIS TO THE FAA". AND DROVE BACK TO THE MCCALL AIRTAXI HANGAR. I THEN CALLED THE BOI SE FAA NUMBER (334-1238) AND ASKED TO SPEAK. TO AN FAA PERSON, AND THAT I WANTED TO GET ADVISE ON HOW TO FILE A. COMPLAINT. NT. THE LADY ON THE PHONE SAID THAT THE APPROPI ATE PERSON WAS BUSY, BUT THAT SHE WOULD HAVE SOMEONE CALLED ME BACi,: AS SOON AS, POSSIBLE. IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES AND MAN IDENTIFIED HIMSELF AS "JIM RALPH", WAS CALLING FROM SALT LAKE CITY. I RELATED THE INCIDENT. HE ADVISED ME THAT I COULD: (1) FILE A NEAR MISS REPORT, (2) FILE A ACTION WITH THE MCCALL CITY , AS A POSSIBLE CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION, OR (3) WRITE A LETTER TO JOHN GOOSETREE, FAA IN BOISE, WHO COULD THEN TAKE WHATEVER APPROPPI ATE ACTION. I TOLD MR. RALPH THAT I INTENDED TO FOLLOW UP BY WRITING A LETTER TO MR GOOSETREE, AND WOULD SEND HIM A COPY. I HOPE THE FAA WILL FOLLOW UP WITH MR. WOOTEN, I AM RETIRED, LIVE IN MCCALL, AND HAVE ENJOYED PERSONAL FLYING FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I AM ENTITLED TO BE IN THE AIR WITH OTHER FLIERS WHO WILL FOLLOW NORMAL SAFETY PROCEDURES, I FEEL THERE MUST BY AN APPROPRIATE SANCTION DIRECTED TO MR, WOOTEN, SINCERELY` r' 47 ,./ AMES TOWNLEY BOX 1656 MCCALL, IDAHO 83638 (208) 634-5158