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MINUTES
MAY 5, 1993
I. ATTENDING:
John Wolf
Rick Fereday
Gordon Colburn
Merrill Saleen
Harold Handke, FAA
Chuck Sundby
Dave Powell
Kim Allen
Dale Points
Bud Schmidt
Steve Millemann
Channel 7 News
II. STATUS REPORTS:
A. LANDING OF 737, MAY 20-23.
Mr. Handke presented his inspection report and discussed it
with the committee. He made it clear that the FAA would not
decide for the city whether the aircraft could or could not come,
but that if the city elected, under what conditions such an
aircraft could land. Staff discussed those items listed and
outlined the payment for those services. The Committee wished to
take no action on the report.
III. 1993-1994 AIP:
Sundby, Allen and Powell and staff discussed that
cancellation of the 1993 AIP by the Seattle ADO (Airport District
Office of FAA) and advised that the entire preapplication work
effort would be funded as a first quarter grant for 1994
construction. The work effort totals $1.5 million. The
committee discussed the work that would be accomplished and
considered the engineer's request to have airport users assist in
designing those improvements. The committee concurred in this
decision and recommended names for this subcommittee which
included Lyn Clark, Rick Fereday and Mike Anderson. The
subcommittee will report back to the full committee at the June
meeting. City staff, airport FBO's and others will consult with
this subcommittee. Toothman-Orton will schedule and arrange the
subcommittee meetings.
The Committee expressed its enthusiasm for this schedule
revision but also its concern for finding sufficient local match
to make the project happen.
IV. NAMING THE AIRPORT:
The committee considered the request (attached) and elected
to take the matter under advisement. The committee felt unable
to respond to this request in the time available and wanted to
ensure that when named, a fully participative public process be
undertaken.
V. STATE AIRPORT GRANT:
The application for funds for surveying and installing
traffic pattern signs at the airport was approved. When the
grant documents are received, they will be executed and the work
undertaken.
VI. GPS
Tom Tucker asked that the city request to be on a list for
experimental installations of this navigational (satellite) aid.
There was some discussion about the suitability for use at this
location and without objection the staff will request the
listing.
Respectfully submitted,
Rick Fereday,
Secretary
May 5, 1993
Initial Certification Inspection
Mc Call Airport
Mc Call, Idaho
An inspection was conducted to determine if this airport could be
issued a limited operating certificate under FAR Part 139. The
request was for one landing on May 20 and one take off on May 23.
The design category for this airport is for 100% of the small
aircraft in the general aviation fleet.
The Airport Operating Specifications (AOS) were reviewed and the
following changes need to be made:
1. Page 3 paragraph C - It states that the movement area for
the air carrier operation is the entire airport except the general
aviation apron access taxiway. This is not acceptable. Nothing
east of the runway will be permitted to be considered movement area
for the purposes of these operations because of the runway/taxiway
seperation.
2. Page 5 paragraph A - It states the safety areas extend 280'
beyond the end of Runway 34 and 350' for 16. The safety area
extends 300' beyond Runway 34 and 180' for 16.
The above two items need to be corrected.
A physical inspection of the airport was conducted and the
following items were found:
1. There is a boulder and a 50 gallon drum in the safety area
for Runway 16.
2. There is a lot of material on the entrance taxiway to the
USFS ramp.
3. The safety area for Runway end 34 is uneven and has mounds
of dirt in it.
4. There are several runway lights where the base of the light
is above 3". This is due to frost heave or snow removal
operations.
There are no signs at this airport.
The firefighting capabilities at this airport are limited. This is
because the firefighters are volunteer and have not had the
opportunity to gain the needed training.
CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS
The Federal Aviation Administration would not object to issuance of
a limited certificate to the Mc Call Airport provided the following
conditions are met:
1. The above changes to the AOS be made.
2. The safety areas on both ends of the runway be cleared and
graded and have no potentially hazardous ruts, humps, depressions,
or other surface variations.
3. The entrance to the USFS ramp be cleared of all surface
material (FOD). Written approval is obtained from the USFS for use
of their ramp. If permission cannot be obtained for use of the
USFS ramp and taxiways, the flight will have to be cancelled
4. A11 runway light bases be corrected so that there is no
light bases higher than 3"
5. Since there are no signs at this airport, both operations be
conducted only during daylight hours and under VFR conditions.
6. Because of runway/ taxiway seperation, all general aviation
(GA) aircraft will have to remain on the GA apron during these two
operations.
7. Because of the strength of the taxiways, the landing of the
aircraft will have to be from the south to the north and the
takeoff will have to be from the north to the south.
If permission cannot be obtained for use of the USFS ramp and
taxiway for these two operations, the flights will be canceled.
The city must understand that the firefighters have to stand by 15
minutes prior to arrival of the aircraft and until 15 minutes after
departure. They have to have the minimum equipment and manpower to
staff the vehicles. This is irrespective of the other needs of the
community.
I would recommend that another type of aircraft other than the B-
737 be considered for these two operations. The Convair 580 or the
Dash 7 could meet the need to transport 50 passengers into Mc Call
and are more suitable aircraft for the physical conditions at this
airport.
These comments do not take into consideration any operational
restrictions which Flight Standards may put upon the carrier.
Coordination with Viscount should be made to ensure that they have
provided all the needed data to Flight Standards.
When all the above corrections are made and conditions agreed to,
a limited operating certificate can be issued to the City of Mc
Call for one takeoff and one landing between May 20 and May 23,
1993.
Harold N. Handke
Lead, Certififaction Safety Inspector
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April 22, 1993
Bud Schmidt
City Administrator
City of McCall
P. O. Box 1065
McCall, Idaho 83538
Dear Buds
This is in response to the letter sent to you from Harold
Hanke of the FAA. Please be advised that Shore Club Lodge
will provide the necessary paperwork as requested in the
above referenced letter and we will provide documentation to
you by April 30th at the latest so you may therefore submit
to Toothman-Orton for review.
Additionally, we agree to reimburse the city an amount not
to exceed $1,525.00 for the review and site inspection.
Further we agree to pay an amount not to exceed $1,000.00
for the training by the National Guard of the local fire
fighters and replacement of one barrel of foam.
I believe this shall meet any current requirements you may
have to meet with the City Council tonight.
Thank you for your continued support; it is truly
appreciated..
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Sincerely,
L. Edward Elam
General Manager
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P.O. Box 1005, Sot W. LAKE STREET, MCCAL,L., IDAHO 8303E
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JOHN P. FERGUSON, RLS
Surveying Consultant
Public Land Surveys - Mineral Surveys - Geodetic (Control) Surveys
MARCH 29, 1993
DEAR MR. MAYOR:
McCALL, IDAHO
FERGUSON SURVEYS
496 East 3100 North
Ogden, Utah 84414
Phone: (801)782-5112
ON THE OCCASION OF THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE SMOKEJUMPER
50TH. ANNIVERSARY AND REUNION, BEING HELD ON THE PAYETTE
NATIONAL FOREST, McCALL, IDAHO, ON JUNE 18-20, 1993, THE
FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION, FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF YOU
AND MEMBERS OF THE McCALL CITY COUNCIL, IS OFFERED.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO NAMING
THE McCALL AIRPORT TO THE "W. PENN STOHR AIRPORT", IN
HONOR OF AND IN TRIBUTE TO IDAHO'S VETERAN PIONEER PILOT,
WHO IS MAINLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SUCCESS OF AVIATION IN
McCALL HISTORY.
W. PENN STOHR IS FAMOUS AS IDAHO'S MIRACLE PILOT AND IS
LARGELY CREDITED WITH THE PIONEERING AND SUCCESS OF PRI-
MITIVE WILDERNESS FLYING, ALONG WITH ROBERT (BOB) JOHN-
SON OF JOHNSON FLYING SERVICE. THE ACTIVITY WAS ESSEN-
TIALLY EXECUTED FROM THE McCALL AIRPORT IN THE LATE 1930'S
AND EARLY 1940'S, AND CONTINUED IN LATER YEARS.
W. PENN STOHR'S HEROIC FEATS OF RESCUING DOWNED -AIRMEN AT
LOON LAKE AND MANY OTHER EMERGENCIES; HIS EARLY DAYS MAIL
AND SUPPLY FLIGHTS TO WARREN, YELLOWPINE, BIG CREEK, ETC.;
AND HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE AVIATION
PROGRAM IS RENOWN.
HE WAS THE INITIAL JOHNSON FLYING SERVICE PILOT OF THE
ORIGINAL SMOKEJUMPER UNIT ESTABLISHED ON THE IDAHO NAT-
IONAL FOREST (NOW PAYETTE N.F.) IN 1943. HE WAS THE PILOT
OF THE TRAVELAIRE AIRPLANE ON THE FIRST FIRE JUMP IN THE
INTERMOUNTAIN REGION, IN WHICH I HAD THE HONOR OF BEING
ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SMOKEJUMPERS. ALL OF THIS WAS ACCOMP-
LISHED OUT OF THE McCALL AIRPORT AND GAVE McCALL, IDAHO
ITS PROINENCE IN IDAHO AVIATION HISTORY.
IT IS FITTING ON THE 50TH. ANNIVERSARY OF SMOKEJUMPING AT
McCALL, TO DEDICATE THE AIRPORT AS THE "W. PENN STOHR
AIRPORT" IN HONOR OF McCALL'S HEROIC PIONEER PILOT. W.
PENN STOHR WAS KILLED IN AN AIR ACCIDENT, NEAR TOWNSEND,
MONTANA, IN 1957, AT THE AGE OF 54.
To identify myself, I am John P. Ferguson, U.S. Forest
Service (Retired). I was one of the original co -leaders
of the Smokejumper Unit established at McCall and was a
resident for 10-years.
For a number of years, I have harbored the afore -mentioned
suggestion and believe it is an appropriate time to pre-
sent it. It is my opinion that the Citizens of McCall
would concur with this proposal. It is my hope that you,
Mr. Mayor and the City Council will recognize the merit
of the recommendation and take official action to imple-
ment it.
I would appreciate a reply to this request prior to the
June celebration. If favorable, I will assist in any
manner feasible.
To -date, I have not contacted the. U.S. Forest Service for
their official position, however, I believe they would
support it. A copy of this correspondence is being for-
ward to Forest Supervisor David F. Alexander, Payette
National Forest, for his information and comment.
Sincer
JOHN P. FERGUSN