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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2005-11-01 PC MinutesVillage of Plainfield Planning Commission Record of Minutes Date: November 1, 2005 Location: Village Hall Chairman Sobkoviak called the meeting to order at 7:02. Roll Call Present: Commissioners Kachel, Henry, McKay, Renzi, Fazio, Sobkoviak, David M urawski, Ed O'Rourke, School District, Library District Absent: Lucenko, Park District, Fire District, Police Department Minutes Commissioner Kachel said that the fifth paragraph on page 8 was vague. The recording secretary would look at her notes and get back to the commission. The minutes from the October 18, 2005 meeting were accepted as possibly amended. 2006 scheduled meeting The dates of the 2006 meetings schedule were accepted. Development Report There was no development report. Old Busine ss CASE: 1148 -102704.SPR/PP/FP GRANDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD 11 Request: Site Plan Review/Preliminary Plat/ Final Plat Location: South of 127 th Street, West of Stewart Road Applicant: MPI Development, LLC Time: 7:05pm Michael Garrigan read the staff report . Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any engineering concerns. A representative from the engineering firm said that all engineering concerns have been addressed. 1 Chairman Sobkoviak swore in John Philipchuck , a representative of MPI, who had the deve lopers with him. They had a few neighborhoods already come through, and he reviewed where Neighborhood 11 would be located. He thought it was a pleasing product that fit well with the subdivision. They were in agreement with the conditions outlined by s taff and asked for a favorable recommendation. Chairman Sobkoviak noted that the ruling document is the Annexation Agreement and asked for questions. Mr. Murawski said that there were 15 trees on the parkway and asked if this was being requested for Sim ons Road on page 5. Mr. Philipchuck clarified that this was required by subdivision code and has not been shown on the landscaping plan. Mr. Garrigan was confident that they could work out the technical issues and implementation of either trees or escrow fund. Mr. Murawski asked if the traffic calming measures were an average of 26 -feet. Mr. Garrigan said that this was slightly narrower than the normal 28 -feet. However, the narrow streets were proven to be a traffic -calming design. Commissioner Renzi was not sure how the narrower streets would be safer and was worried about the children. Mr. Garrigan said that there is empirical evidence by traffic engineers that the trend to incorporate this into internal (non -collector) streets to slow traffic was s uccessful. This was becoming quite popular and was a common urban design element as it forces people to slow down because of parking. Chairman Sobkoviak added that wide -open streets cause people to speed up. Commissioner Renzi also confirmed that the tw o feet of asphalt being saved must be saving the developer money as well. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they usually end up having a wider parkway and appearance -wise, the streetscapes tend to be approved. Commissioner Kachel said that they also used to h ave wider streets because the development was not as widespread. Mr. Garrigan said that the clear trend was narrower streets, but the right of way was still 60 -feet. This is just what they have been consistently doing, and it has been working and is safe r. Mr. O’Rourke asked about fire -safety, and Mr. Garrigan said that the fire department has had a full -review of this. Commissioner Kachel asked if there would be any seating on the bike trails. Mr. Philipchuck said there would be seating in some of the park sites. Tim Winter addressed the commission and said that this was Oswegoland Park District’s call. Chairman Sobkoviak said that for future projects, little rest areas with seats are a desirable thing if they can be worked out. He said this may be difficult and would need to be looked at on a case by case basis. Commissioner Kachel knew that it was fiscal, but he had had people mention this. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they have to look at the jurisdiction and who will be charged of maintaining i t. Commissioner Kachel just wanted to take a look at this, and a discussion ensued regarding this. Commissioner Fazio confirmed that this was in the Oswego school district and asked if they have discussed this with the School District. Mr. Philipchuck s aid that they had and wanted to convey parts of the park site to school district. 2 Commissioner Renzi asked if this was where the parkway trees were supposed to go on the 10 -foot landscape easement. Mr. Garrigan said that this would actually be general pl antings; the parkway trees would be north of the bike trail. There was clarification regarding where the bike trail was on the plan. Commissioner Renzi asked if it would impact the trees when 127 th Street expands, but it was determined that there should be sufficient right of way. Mr. O’Rourke noted that the right of way was 40 -feet and asked why there was a difference. Mr. Garrigan said that this was taken out of the Annexation Agreement. This was acceptable three years ago, but now they push for 50 t o 60 feet. However, the developer was complying with the requirements. A discussion ensued regarding if the space was needed, but it was determined that the engineers looked at this. Commissioner Renzi asked if they need the 10 extra feet, if it would b e taking away from where the parkway trees are. If so, he thought they should take cash in lieu. A discussion ensued regarding this. Mr. Garrigan said that the future right -of -way to the north can require a larger dedication to get the full 100 -feet. C ommissioner Renzi asked what was to the north, what easements have been granted, and what was still available. He wanted to see what 127 th Street looked like to Douglas, so they would know if this should be a concern. Mr. Garrigan would look into this. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they were working against history. Grande Park had been in progress for so long that some requirements have increased, but the Annexation Agreement binds them to what they have agreed to. Commissioner Renzi was not trying to undo this; he just wanted to know what lies to the north, so they can plan accordingly. Mr. Garrigan contended that based on the farms that are to the north, if they request 60 -feet of right -of -way, there should be sufficient right -of -way when incorporate d with Grande Park’s 40 -feet. He said that if they had to do a larger area in the long -term future, it would have to be addressed then. Currently, there were no plans to require more than 100 -feet. Commissioner Renzi said that they can never have enough roads since there was no commercial in the area. A discussion ensued regarding this. Commissioner Henry asked what the neighborhood to the south was, and it was determined that this was Neighborhood 12, and Neighborhood 10 was to the northeast and was a partments. He asked if road access had come up with this. Mr. Garrigan said that this did come up between the apartments and duplexes, but it was resolved and not related to what they were requesting tonight. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for p ublic comment. There was no response. At 7:34pm, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend approval of the final plat of subdivision for Grande Park Neighborhood 11 subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engine er. 2. Compliance with the provisions of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3 3. Revise final plat to show proper easements on Lot 1 where necessary to allow for public access to the bike path. 4. Agree to install fifteen (15) parkway trees along Simons Road or provide cash in lieu. 5. Provide a copy of Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions addressing, at a minimum, provisions for anti -monotony, façade materials, accessory structures, other building restrictions and responsibility for maintenance by the homeowners association of the common areas. 6. Work with the Village to set up a dormant Special Service Area for Neighborhood 11. Commissioner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Fazio, Renzi, Henry, Kachel, McKay, So bkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0:0. At 7:34pm, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend approval of the site plan for Grande Park Neighborhood 11 subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Comp liance with the provisions of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3. Revise the landscape plan to show the required parkway trees along 127 th Street/Simons Road per Section 7 -255(c) of the Subdivision Code if cash in lieu will not be provided. Commissio ner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Fazio, Renzi, Henry, Kachel, McKay, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0:0. This case would probably go forward the second Board meeting in November, or the first meeting in December. New Business CASE: 1216 -101305.PP/FP GRANDE PARK COMMUNITY PARK WEST Request: Preliminary Plat/Final Plat Location: Grande Park (southwest of 127 th Street and Stewart Road) Applicant: MPI Development, LLC Time: 7:36pm 4 Jona than Proulx presented the Staff report. Mr. Philipchuck remained under oath from the previous case and mentioned that this would allow them to convey the large community park to Oswego School District Number 308, probably for an elementary school or possi bly a junior high school. He briefly went over the details of the area. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any engineering concerns. The Engineer said that there was no engineering at this time, but they will review the site plan in the future. C ommissioner Henry said that Grande Park was made up of a lot of different neighborhoods, and it had been a long time since they looked at the whole plan. Not every neighborhood had water retention, and since part of this is being subdivided to school dist rict, he wanted to know how the Homeowners Association would deal with the maintenance of the ponds. Mr. Philipchuck said that most will be maintained by the Master Association. Commissioner Henry asked if the school district would in some way pay into t his fund, or if this had been discussed. Mr. Winter would verify with the office, but he thought there was a maintenance agreement in planning. Commissioner Kachel asked if the school site was on original plan. Mr. Garrigan said no, that it had shifted. He showed on map where it was planned before versus where it was now. A brief discussion ensued regarding the flexibility of this location. Commissioner Kachel confirmed that 57 acres will come off of open space to dedicate to the school. Chairman Sob koviak noted that this would be Oswegoland. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no response. At 7:44pm, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend approval of the final plat of subdivision for Grande Park Community Park West, subject to the following two (2) stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Oswego Fire Protection District. Commissioner Renzi seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vot e by roll call. Aye: Fazio, Renzi, Henry, Kachel, McKay, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0:0. He asked the petitioner to be in touch with staff regarding the date they are on the Board agenda. CASE NO.: 1218 -102005.FP KING’S BRIDGE ESTATES , UNIT 1 5 Request: Final Plat Location: 127 th Street, West of Route 30 Applicant: Madonna Development, Inc. Started: 7:45pm Mr. Garrigan presented the Staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak clarified that landscape plan would be submitted. Chairman Sobkoviak a sked if there were any engineering concerns. The engineer said that they were working with the design engineer, and they have a few minor issues that they plan to resolve. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Dan O’Donnell from O’Donnell Development who said that the plan is consistent with the Annexation Agreement and was here to answer questions. Some facades of the proposed elevations were available to view. Commissioner Renzi asked if everyone coming in and out of the area was doing so through the one entran ce. Mr. Garrigan said that there would also be stub streets to other subdivisions. Chairman Sobkoviak confirmed that the fire department was okay with this. Mr. O’Donnell clarified that this was done because of the flood plain. Mr. O’Rourke clarified t hat the overall plan was for 121 units and Unit 1 was 81 units. A discussion ensued regarding this. Commissioner Kachel noted that this was one of the plans that went through during the moratorium following the new (proposed) guidelines. Chairman Sobkov iak opened up the floor for public comment. Bill Lamb asked where 127 th Street was on map and this was clarified. Commissioner Renzi asked if the proposed elevations presented were neo -traditional. Mr. O’Donnell clarified that there were two that were n eo -traditional. He also said that these were side -loaded and would access the alley. Mr. Murawski confirmed that trash would be picked up from the alley. Mr. O’Rourke asked what outlot P would be. Mr. O’Donnell showed the Total Site Plan and noted that this would be an island. Commissioner Fazio noticed that these were in the Oswego School District and were small compared to others they had seen. However, he asked if they have worked with the school district. Mr. O’Donnell said that they had met with them and has a letter stating that they approve. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there was any further discussion. There was none. 6 At 7:59pm, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend approval of the Final Plat for Unit 1 of the King Bridge Estates subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3. That the applicant incorporate d a 30 foot landscape easement along 127 th Street. 4. That a DSSA be created prior to the Final Plat be released for recording. 5. That any and all recapture due on the subject property be paid prior to the release of the final plat. Commissioner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll cal l. Aye: Fazio, Renzi, Henry, Kachel, McKay, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0:0. This would go forward to the Board the second meeting of November or the first in December. CASE NO.: 1217 -101705.FP AVERY ACRES SUBDIVISION (CARWASH) Request : Final Plat Location: Southwest corner of Route 30 and Renwick Applicant: William Avery Started: 8:00pm Mr. Garrigan presented the Staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any engineering concerns. The engineer said that there was no engine ering submitted currently. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Michael Martin, agent of Mr. Avery, who was there to answer questions. He said that they were proposing to subdivide the area based on sewer lines, but all three lots would meet all requirements. Co mmissioner Kachel asked if IDOT planned to take something out in the area after 143 rd street was rerouted. Mr. Garrigan had not seen any plans for this, and a discussion ensued regarding this. Chairman Sobkoviak said that this was not beyond the realm of possibility but there would always be one entrance on Renwick Road. He said that they will have to be diligent in obtaining cross -access easements. He also noted that any development should not impede the development of this corner. A further discussio n ensued regarding this. 7 Commissioner Renzi was confused about the area, and Mr. Garrigan requested that they look at the plans in the packet. Mr. O’Rourke said that there were no additional access points needed at this point but asked how to get to Lot 2. Mr. Garrigan said that this would be through cross access easements. Mr. O’Rourke said that there was nothing on the plat of subdivision to get from Lot 1 to Lot 2. Mr. Garrigan said that he would request and record this at site plan review as this i s where it will be recorded. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they cannot specify where these should be yet – just that they are required to be there. Mr. Garrigan said that he would work with engineering and look at this before going to the Village Board to incorporate any additional or extension of cross -access easements. Commissioner Renzi noted that this happened with Homestar Bank and agreed that this should be looked at now to avoid any traffic flow problems. Chairman Sobkoviak wanted to make sure tha t they maintain the one that is there. A discussion ensued regarding the stipulation of what was needed. Commissioner Kachel asked about a sliver of property on the map. Mr. Avery said that this was formerly the Clark home and not on his property. Mr. Proulx said that this was a base map from the GIS system and noted that they sometimes get remnant pieces. Chairman Sobkoviak asked for any additional discussion. There was none. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no r esponse. At 8:18pm, Commissioner Kachel moved to recommend approval of the resubdivision of Lot 2 into three (3) lots subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3. That the appropriate cross -access easements are incorporated on the subject site and guarantee access to all of the future lots within this subdivision. Commissioner McKay seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak calle d for a vote by roll call. Aye: Fazio, Renzi, Henry, Kachel, McKay, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0:0. This would go forward the last meeting in November or the first in December. Mr. Proulx said that the mayor had proclaimed November 8 th Community and Regional Planning Day to recognize the planners in the community and their efforts. He said that all interested parties were invited to come to look at the exhibits or talk to Staff. 8 Commissioner Renzi got a handout regarding the APA bulle tin and the legality of historic preservation. In the demolition ordinance, he thought that this might be an alternative to obtaining information. In order to help the process, he suggested an “Alternate Form B” to expedite cases that did not apply. Mr. Garrigan said that this was a good point and noted that Trustee Lamb raised this point exactly at the last Historic Preservation Commission meeting. There were some proposed changes to this nature to consult with the staff and Historic Preservation Commi ssion Chair to determine if the process is even required as this would save time. Commissioner McKay asked who makes the decision. Mr. Garrigan said that the Village Planner with consultation with Historic Preservation Commission Chairman would probably have this say, but they had not worked out the mechanics. He said that a lot of situations would be in agreement. Commissioner Kachel asked if there was anything new with the Walgreens and Quinn house. Mr. Garrigan had no additional information. Chairm an Sobkoviak said that the commission did a good job and noted that when there was less controversy, they were more relaxed. He said that they would be seeing a lot of larger developments coming through that they can really look at closely. Commissioner McKay asked what the big blue containers were by Wal -Mart . Mr. Garrigan had not seen them but would look into this. Commissioner Kachel said that last year the whole section was filled with containers. Mr. Garrigan said that they have given them latitud e if it is fully enclosed but can look into this further. Mr. O’Rourke asked if the Village had a graffiti ordinance. Staff thought that there was something in the municipal code and code enforcement would review. Commissioner McKay questioned the sign ordinance and what type of sign was allowed. Mr. Garrigan said that they do not prohibit the type of sign; there was just a maximum size. Commissioner Kachel noted that some people can put neon in a whole window with a small sign. Mr. Garrigan would loo k at this and said that there were certain ways they could use neon signs in a good manner. Chairman Sobkoviak declared the meeting closed at 8:31pm. __________________ Respectfully submitted, Laura Griffith -Recording Secretary Karick & Associates, Inc . 9