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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2004-01-06 PC MinutesVillage of Plainfield Planning Commission Record of Minutes Date: January 6, 2004 Location: Village Hall Chairman Sobkoviak cal led the meeting to order at 7:00pm . Roll Call Present: Commissioners Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, S obkoviak Absent: Fire District, Park District, School District , Library District Minutes Commissioner Kachel asked for two corrections to the December 16, 2003 minutes. On page 6 regarding the McCarthy ChopHouse, Commissioner Kachel had made some sugges tions about making the sidewalks on Routes 30 & 59 safer . He had brought this up before and asked for it to be reconsidered. On page 7, Commissioner Kachel also wanted to add that he had brought up a concern regarding parking and suggested setting up a f und for future parking concerns. Commissioner Racich requested a correction on page 10 that when he had asked the applicant of the Marian Lake Villa about tax exemptions, the applicant said that they had applied for tax exemptions. The minutes were accep ted as amended. Development Report Michael Garrigan read the Development report. He said that a motion to extend the boundary with Joliet was supported. The Lincolnshire final plat across from the Village Hall was brought before the board as was the f inal plat for the Streams subdivision. This was supported by the Village Board. Mr. Garrigan concluded his report Old Business CASE NO.: 967 -051702.CP/AA/SU/PP SPRINGBANK Request: Concept Plan/Annexation Agreement (Seeking a continuance )* 1 Special Use/Preliminary Plat Location: South of Renwick, East & West of Drauden, North of Caton Farm Road And East & West of County Line Road Applicant: MAF Development, Inc. Started: 7:0 4 pm Mr. Garrigan said that discussions are continuing. No revised plan has been submitted. They have asked for a continuance probably for the first meeting in February (February 3). Chairman Sobkoviak asked if anyone in the public had come expecting the Springbank case tonight. There was no response. Commissioner Manning asked for the status of Creekside. Mr. Garrigan said that it is going back to the Committee of the Whole after some suggestions from the Board to address their concerns. Commissioner Kachel if they are supposed to attend that. Mr. Garrigan said that he is not sure if the Planning Commission should come. It is an open meeting though. Commissioner Kachel asked if he knew for sure if the Planning Commission should attend, or if it was recommended – especially for larger developments. Mr. Garrigan said th at they have been invited. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they approved the concept and annexation and is not sure why the Board is going into such depth at this stage. There was some discussion regarding the differences of opinion with the Board and if th e Planning Commission members should attend. Chairman Sobkoviak said that the Planning Commission is not invited for official purposes. A further discussion ensued regarding the density versus the specific lot sizes and when in the planning stages this s hould be addressed. Commissioner Kachel reiterated that the Planning Commission agreed with the concept plan. Commissioner Racich also said that they had given their recommendation and input on the case already. Commissioner Henry asked if density was i ncorporated on the annexation agreement for Creekside. Mr. Garrigan said that he believes so, but the concept plan is attached to the annexation. 2 Commissioner Henry asked if in the future they should look at these items at this level of consideration. M r. Garrigan said that they could as a very “rough base”. At 7:13pm, Commissioner Manning moved to continue the Springbank case to the February 3 meeting. Commissioner Schinderle seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Ay e: Henry, Kachel, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0. The issue will be continued on February 3 . New Business CASE NO.: 1082 -111703.FP GRANDE PARK, NEIGHBORHOODS 15 & 17 Request: Final Plat Location: West of Stewart Road and 135 th Street, South of 127th Applicant: MPI -Moser -Pasquinelli -Isenstein Started: 7 :14 pm Mr. Garrigan read the staff report. The Village Engineer said that he has had a chance to review the final plat and is working with the design en gineer on any remaining concerns. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in the group of applicants – Steve Rhodes, the attorney on the project; Tim Winter of Pasquinelli; and Wendy Yasich . Mr. Rhodes said that he did not have much to add. They are in conformance wit h the plans – namely the lot widths and size match requirements set by the Village. He has no issues with the staff’s recommendations. However, they cannot submit a landscaping plan as Oswego Park District is still working on their agreements. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if they can change stipulation 3 to read “approved with Staff”. He asked if the commission had any questions. Commissioner Kachel asked about fences. Do they need to be put in before the developer finishes? Chairman Sobkoviak said that if you leave this up to the homeowner, it may not be uniform. 3 Mr. Garrigan said that they have not specified a time that this needs to be completed but that it does need to be uniform. Commissioner Kachel thought that they should put this up before compl etion. Mr. Rhodes agreed to work with Staff on material and time of installation. He is just worried about having to work around a fence. Commissioner Kachel said that he just did not want a homeowner association to handle this. Mr. Rhodes agreed to ta ke this back to the developer. Commissioner Henry mentioned that when they approve final plats that abut major thoroughfares, they require no access. Mr. Garrigan said that there is an outlot. Mr. Rhodes said that this will be a deeded outlot owned by t he homeowner association. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no response. Chairman Sobkoviak said that the developer has met the requirements and Staff has added their comments. Everything seems to be according to the annexation agreement. At 7:26 pm, Commissioner Schinderle moved to recommend approval of the Final Plats for Units 15 and 17 of Grande Park subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirement of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3. Approval by Staff of final landscape plans prior to consideration by the Village Board. 4. Creation of a DSSA for Unit 15 and 17 prior to recording of the final plat. 5. Any fence in the rear of lots that abut the future WIKADUKE or Grand Park Boulevard should incorporate a common uniform design. Commissioner Henry seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Henry, Kachel, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Na y: None The motion is carried 7 :0. This will go forward to the Village Board on January 19. CASE NO.: 10 90 -120403.PP/FP PLAINFIELD COMMUNITY CONSOLIDATED SCHOOL DISTRICT 202 (YMCA Re -sub) Request: Preliminary Plat/Final Plat Location: IL Rt. 126 & Old Indian Boundary Road (Bayles Farm Subdivision) 4 Applicant: Board of Education<Plainfield Community Consolidated School District 202 Started: 7:28 pm John Kersh read the staff report. The Village Engineer said that the detention pond wi ll be constructed on Lot 1 to serve both Lots 1 and 2. He is expecting plans on this. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Rodney Tinneli. Mr. Tinneli said that the YMCA has an agreement with the school district to build a future building on this lot. They need approval to divide the lots so that the YMCA can take ownership for a grant application. Commissioner Kachel said that he understands that this is a boundary issue only but asked about Indian Boundary being signalized. Mr. Tinneli said that no access is planned for Indian Boundary. Lots 1 and 2 will share the detention pond that will line Indian Boundary as this is the low part of the parcel of land. He gave some details about possible access point and reiterated that the Route 30 extension will be the dedication. There was some discussion regarding the placement of this roadway and its future use. Commissioner Henry asked how many areas will be accessing this intersection. A further discussion ensued regarding potential signals or access. Ottawa St reet is an access point but runs through a residential neighborhood. Commissioner Racich said that this is a transportation issue and pointed out how much is being built in this area. Commissioner Henry asked if you can square off Indian Boundary to prop erly signalize the intersection. The Village Engineer said that they have looked into this but cannot do so. Chairman Sobkoviak said that the long -term plan is to put one at Meadow Drive, and IDOT does not want a light between Route 30 and Meadow Drive. Commissioner Kachel reiterated his concern about access. Mr. Tinneli said that they have looked at this, but that they are just here to get ownership of the land. They can address each concern as the plans progress. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the flo or for public comment. There was no response. Commissioner Racich asked when they thought the YMCA would initiate. Mr. Tinneli said that the architects and engineers are working on this and will bring plans in front of the commission in the next few mon ths. Commissioner Schinderle asked if they knew where the building will sit on the property. Mr. Tinneli said that they did not know this yet. 5 Commissioner Schinderle also expressed a concern about access from the west. Mr. Tinneli said that they know what is happening with Lots 2 and 3, but they do not know what is happening with Lot 1 yet. Commissioner Kachel also mentioned that the Keller Farm Development is in the area too. At the request of Mr. Tinneli, Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Tammy Sender fr om the YMCA. Commissioner Racich asked about the background on the YMCA future. Ms. Sender said that the schematic design is in process. They want to break ground in July 2004 and plan to open in August of 2005. Commissioner Schinderl e asked if their B oard has any concerns with access. Ms. Sender said that residents expressed a concern, so they are working with the school to provide a buffer. Nothing is defined at this point. She went on to point out where they are looking to build on a map layout. Mr. Garrigan said that he has spoken with residents who have had concerns. Commissioner Racich said that while he knows it ’s hard to predict at this point , he asked what the projected usage of the YMCA will be. Ms. Sender said that use is seasonal. In w inter there will be basketball, and there is an agreement with the school to use the YMCA for swimming. She gave some examples of other programs. She thought 500 was a high usage estimate. Commissioner Racich said that if they are planning to be in by A ugust 2005, they need to think about the timing with the Steiner Road connections. This may relieve traffic. Commissioner Henry asked about when the Route 30 extension would take place and would this complete by the time the YMCA goes up? Mr. Garrigan s aid it would. Mr. Tinneli said that they understand the sensitivity, but this is really just about transfer of property ownership. Commissioner Henry said if it would appropriate to wait to address this then. Commissioner Manning pointed out that for fu nding purposes the property needs to be owned by the YMCA. Commissioner Racich welcomed the YMCA to the community despite the details that need to be worked out. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there was any further discussion. There was none. 6 At 8:00, Com missioner Kachel moved that approval of the Preliminary Plat be recommended subject to the following stipulations : 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. Commi ssioner Henry seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Henry, Kachel, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0. At 8:00 , Commissioner Kachel moved that approval of the Final P lat be recommended subject to the following stipulations : 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. Commissioner Schinderle seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkovi ak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Henry, Kachel, Gehrke, anning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0. This will be brought to the Board for consideration on January 19. CASE NO.: 10 77 -1 02803.SPR LABANCZ PROPERTY Requ est: Concept Plan Location: North & South Sides of Rt. 126, East of County Line Road Applicant: Lakewood Homes, Inc. Started: 8:01 pm Valerie Hastings read the Staff report. The Village Engineer had nothing to add except that additional entrances were als o issues they had. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in the group of applicants – Jim Truesdell from Lakewood Homes; Larry Peterman, the design consultant on the project; and Vance Testatory, the attorney on the project. Mr. Truesdell said that the Staff did a go od job presenting this. They tried to respond to the Commission’s concerns and worked closely with Staff in realigning County Line Road as well as increase the lot sizes as described in the report. They are in agreement 7 with the recommendations and are w orking on the suggestions presented. They have discussed with the Park District creating a larger park and the connectivity with all of the parks. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if they would agree to complete the remedies recommended. Mr. Truesdell said that they would. Commissioner Manning asked if the Park District wanted to consolidate the parks. Ms. Hastings said that they will discuss this. Staff still wants internal parks. Commissioner Schinderle asked if the Park District would support this. Mr. G arrigan said that the Park District has certain parameters that they need to work with. There was some discussion regarding access to these parks from the east to connect the residential area to the large parks. Mr. Peterman clarified where the Park Dist rict wants the parks. Commissioner Racich was concerned with the people on the West side of the subdivision accessing the parks. A further discussion ensued regarding County Line Road running through there as a busy street. The Village Engineer said tha t this may become a major collector before WIKADUKE is complete. Commissioner Kachel stated that a stop sign at the crossway will provide a traffic slowdown and kids can cross here. Mr. Truesdell agreed and said that this was a concern before, but they a re satisfied that they can address this. Commissioner Kachel had a question regarding the sliver of land to the south of Route 126. Mr. Peterman said that there are still plans to include this as commercial. Commissioner Henry asked how they envision th e County Line Road alignment. The Village Engineer said that they will look for curvilinear alignments, but they have not talked about it. They are looking to discourage traffic to 143 rd street. There was some discussion regarding the properties surroun ding the LaBancz Property and running along County Line Road. Commissioner Kachel had a question regarding wanting aerated water and asked when it was appropriate to bring this up. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they can ask the applicant to look at it, bu t they will require this at the preliminary plat. Chairman Sobkoviak opened the floor up for public comment. Diane Rousanelis addressed the commission. She said that on the larger map, she was worried about non -local commuters using County Line Road and asked if they can provide access to the YMCA from there. 8 Chairman Sobkoviak asked if this was related to the case for this subdivision. It was not. Commissioner Manning asked if they are planning to rename County Line Road since they are realigning it . Mr. Truesdell said no since this will line up again. Chairman Sobkoviak said that this is okay as long as it is within a certain distance. He also said that this is the concept plan and asked if there was anything the commission wanted to see on the p reliminary plat. Commissioners Henry and Kachel both said that all their previous comments have been addressed and were just concerned about future transportation issues. At 8:3 3, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend to the Village Board the concept pla n move forward for the Labancz Property. Commissioner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Henry, Kachel, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Sobkoviak Nay: Racich The mo tion is carried 6:1 . If this is to carry f orward, it may possibly go forward on January 19. Misc Business Commissioner Kachel said that Routes 30 and 59 are being worked on by IDOT. He suggested taking a look at this intersection for possible sidewalks or bridges before the fact. The commissio n should think of IDOT as a developer. They come through the community and should have to come forward with plans. Chairman Sobkoviak said that he can check with the Village Board. The commission is to recommend approval to the Board. Commissioner Ka chel asked if that would be a public meeting. Chairman Sobkoviak said that if the Village Board asks them to attend, they will. Commissioner Kachel also asked about outside storage containers. They have no ordinances for this. He does not want to wai t until it is a problem. Commissioner Kachel mentioned the BTD section of town. If something comes up in the BTD district, can the Planning Commission be given prior notice of demolition? 9 Chairman Sobkoviak said that in the recent case, the Board is add ressing this. Commissioner Kachel asked about future cases. Mr. Garrigan said that a site plan or zoning review should be brought forward before proceeding with a demolition. Commissioner Schinderle said that technically they do not need a demolition ap plication. Mr. Garrigan said that they do need an application though. There was some discussion regarding what exactly needed to be applied for. Commissioner Kachel also asked about Van Dyke Road and why there is a bike path along the road. There was s ome discussion regarding when the plans for the bike path arose versus the plans for Van Dyke Road. Commissioner Kachel just said that he did not want to see it happen in the future. He is worried about the bike path running through commercial property. Commissioner Racich said that he wanted to applaud Mayor Rock for the Boundary plan that was approved for 2005 through 2012. This will make the Planning Commission and the Trustee’s jobs easier. Chairman Sobkoviak said that he was cautiously optimistic if Joliet will approve the plan as well. Chairman Sobkoviak declare d the meeting adjourned at 8 :45 pm . __________________ Respectfully submitted, Laura Griffith Recording Secretary Karick & Associates, Inc. 10