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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2004-10-19 PC MinutesPLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 1 Village of Plainfield Planning Commission Record of Minutes Date: October 19 , 2004 Location: Village Hall Chairman Sobkoviak cal led the meeting to order at 6:58 pm . Roll Call Present: Commissioners Henry , Kachel, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich , Sobkoviak Absent: School District, Library District , Park District , Fire District Minutes The minutes from the October 5 , 2004 meeting were accepted as presented D a yfield Commercial Memo A memo regarding the stipulations on the Dayfield Commercial cas e was added into public record as an addendum to the minutes. Development Report Michael Garrigan read the development report. • The McMicken Annexation Agreement was approved as a housekeeping matter by a vote of 6 -0. • The Village Board supported Annexatio n of Edwards Hospital by a vote of 6 -0. They also supported Special Use by a vote of 6 -0 as well as the Site Plan Review for the first two phases. • Both motions for the Dunkin Donuts project were approved by a vote of 6 -0. • The Site Plan Review for the Bob Evans restaurant was approved by a vote of 6 -0. Commissioner Manning wanted to know why the Prairie Creek case (mentioned at the last meeting) was supported for commercial but not residential. Mr. Garrigan said that there was too much uncertainty, and th e Board wanted more detail. They plan to bring this back. Commissioner Schinderle asked what the two phases of Edwards Hospital were. Mr. Garrigan said that there would be an outpatient office and a medical office building. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 2 Old Business CASE NO.: 1 107 -030104.SPR/SU/RZ/PP/FP RT. 59 & RT. 126 Request: Site Plan Review/Special Use/Rezoning/Preliminary Plat/Final Plat Location: Southwest Corner of Rt. 59 and Rt. 126 Applicant: John Argoudelis Started: 7:0 3 pm Mr. Garrigan announced that this is a publi c hearing being held in accordance with all applicable rules and regulations of the Village of Plainfield and the State of Illinois. He presented the staff report. Mr. Duane Linden addressed the commission and said that the sidewalk issue was his suggest ion based on large truck traffic. H e did not want this project to be accessible by the street in order to promote safety. Commissioner Kachel said that it would be the only building from Naperville to Shorewood that would have this set back. He wanted a n open feeling, and there are sidewalks all up and down Route 59. Mr. Linden said that the sidewalks were his main issue. He felt the building should be open and wanted the plaza for just this feeling. Commissioner Kachel said that there was a sightline issue. Mr. Linden said that he did not want doors opening on that side of the building. A discussion ensued regarding this. Chairman Sobkoviak asked for other commission discussion. Commissioner Schinderle said that he liked this plan better and under stood what Mr. Linden is saying. However, he wanted to know what will happen if they widen Route 59. The Village Engineer said that he did not think that Route 59 will expand any further than five lanes. Commissioner Schinderle said that he was convince d. Commissioner Manning asked how far back it was to Route 59. Mr. Garrigan said that it is 12 feet from the curb. A discussion ensued regarding this sidewalk versus the sidewalk along Main Street. Commissioner Henry asked if – besides the sidewalk – i f Mr. Linden favored or opposed this project. Mr. Linden said that he is looking for an entrance and gateway -like plaza on this corner. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any other questions for Mr. Linden. Commissioner Kachel asked if he had any co mments on architecture. Mr. Linden said that he would prefer not to comment because he is an architect. He just wants to feel like you are leading into the town and suggested they use the site as a landmark. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 3 Commissioner Manning said that he apprecia ted the reluctance, but Mr. Linden had presented a suggestion and wanted to know what he felt about the current architecture. Mr. Linden said that he thinks the clock tower can be lower and more dominant. Mr. Argoudelis, who remained under oath from the previous meeting, said that Mr. Garrigan suggested that they widen the setback on the sidewalk and after that, there is only one area where the sidewalk would go internally. He said that there would be up lighting on the clock tower. He also pointed out that the more the project is set back, the less parking there will be. He said that they addressed all of the architecture issues presented at the previous meeting including the fact that the building will be finished on all four sides. Commissioner Schi nderle asked where the sidewalk on Main Street ends. Mr. Argoudelis pointed this out on a map. Mr. Madimenos, who remained under oath from the previous meeting, showed the changes applied to the architecture. He said that they did what they could and us ed features from the Robertson building in downtown Plainfield. He clarified that the clock tower is 14 feet square and 40 feet tall, but the base would be 20 feet. Commissioner Kachel said that he thought 14 feet seemed too narrow. He also felt somethi ng was missing. Commissioner Henry went over the elevations detailed in the packet and clarified which designs were new. He liked where they were from last time, but he also felt that something was missing. He said he was a strong proponent for a sidewa lk and also felt that the site seemed constricted. He is not sure if the building on Arnold and Main Street is necessary. Commissioner Kachel said that Route 59 has sidewalks all up and down the street and felt that it was less safe to have kids go throu gh a parking lot. Commissioner Manning asked what his feeling was on moving the building back two feet. Mr. Argoudelis said that it is fine because they would just narrow the internal sidewalk by two feet. Commissioner Schinderle asked if they would mov e the large building. Mr. Argoudelis said no as it would put pressure on the courtyard and breezeway. He also commented that crossing a driveway is safer than walking along a tractor -trailer route. Commissioner Racich felt that a right in -right out is d angerous as well because people will take the turn fast. Commissioner Kachel said that last time they had asked about Oak or Arnold streets being closed. If that happens, people would only have a right in -right out near the light. A discussion ensued re garding this. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 4 Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. Mr. Carl Bryant, who remained sworn in from the previous meeting said that when he developed the lot on the opposite corner, the Board had asked him to do the same thing. He also said that concrete barriers are going to be set up to protect the children at Central School because this is such a dangerous area. He said that he sensitive to the architecture and thinks that they should ask for diversity. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in D iane Rousenelos. Ms. Rousenelos said that she did not think there was enough parking and also thought there should be more diversity. Chairman Sobkoviak asked for any other public comment. There was no further response. Commissioner Kachel said that he was worried about lines of sight with the setbacks – especially in the right in -right out. Chairman Sobkoviak said that at the last meeting, there was a consensus on the rezoning and Special Use. He asked if that was still the thoughts of the commissi on. It was. Chairman Sobkoviak said that on the Site Plan Review, the sidewalks are the major sticking point, and the commission seems split. Mr. Argoudelis said that after the last meeting, he and Mr. Garrigan spoke and said that they could do a sidewa lk. However, after speaking with Mr. Linden they changed their mind. Commissioner Kachel said he was also worried about the setback. Mr. Argoudelis said that the design was based on the Teng plan and staff seemed to support that. A discussion ensued re garding this. Commissioner Manning said that he found the argument of safety compelling. Chairman Sobkoviak said that during the winter, these sidewalks will “disappear”. Commissioner Kachel said that he thinks people will walk on the grass to get fro P oint A to Point B. A discussion ensued regarding consistency on Route 59 and 126. Commissioner Manning asked about the concrete barriers that Mr. Bryant had brought up. Commissioner Kachel said that the school is an existing building. They compared thi s to the designs proposed for the Chop House. Commissioner Manning did not feel that there was a compelling argument for sidewalks along the street. Commissioner Schinderle felt that if there is significant landscaping, he did not think kids would cut th rough there. Chairman Sobkoviak said that devices can be installed to deter cutting through. Commissioner Henry said that he wanted to see a sidewalk in so that the setback will change to fit in and create more open space. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 5 Chairman Sobkoviak said that four or five commissioners want a sidewalk and two commissioners do not want it. Commissioner Manning asked what kind of setback the other commissioners were looking for. Commissioner Kachel said “considerable”. Chairman Sobkoviak stated that they neede d to give the petitioner better direction in where to go with this. Commissioner Kachel asked what the other buildings set backs were. Mr. Garrigan said at least 20 feet. Commissioner Kachel said that it should then be a minimum of 20 feet. A discussio n ensued regarding what will go in this setback. Mr. Argoudelis said that the lot is only 1.5 acres, and they cannot move this back without changing it to a strip mall layout. A discussion ensued regarding removing the back building. Mr. Argoudelis said that at the end of the day, the developer needs to pay for this. There needs to be enough square feet to make the money to pay for additional costs. Commissioner Kachel asked about a second floor. Mr. Argoudelis said that you generally do not see this in retail. Architecturally, there will be inconsistency. Chairman Sobkoviak asked how the commission felt about the architecture. Commissioner Kachel said that they have done a lot but felt that something was missing. Commissioners Manning and Schinder le said that this was acceptable. Commissioner Racich said that this looks consistent but did not necessarily think that this is a good thing. Commissioner Racich said that as far as the money goes, he felt that they should ask for more. Mr. Argoudelis said that he was just pointing out the economic reality. Commissioner Gehrke said that she would like to see something different on this site. Chairman Sobkoviak said that he does not feel strongly about the sidewalks. He said that regarding the arch itecture, the commission said to make this look consistent with the Village but felt that they did this too well. Mr. Argoudelis asked if they liked the clock tower. Commissioner Sobkoviak, Schinderle, Gehrke, and Henry agreed that they liked this. Mr. Argoudelis asked how they felt about the changes to the elevation. Commissioner Kachel asked how the staff felt about this. Mr. Garrigan showed some pictures of what the staff considers good urban design. A discussion ensued regarding this. Chairman So bkoviak swore in Bob Pallow who used to own the Meeting Place. He noted that the sidewalk in front of there is never used and felt that the current Site Plan Review is a plan for failure. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 6 Chairman Sobkoviak thanked the petitioner for his patience and po inted out that the petitioner is acceptable to the nine stipulations. Commissioner Kachel said that he just did not know what is going to happen to the whole corner. Commissioner Henry asked if the could have a workshop on this. Commissioner Manning sai d that they should vote on it and move the case forward. Mr. Argoudelis appreciated the sentiment but said if they came back with something else in two weeks and could get the Plan Commission’s approval, that it would be time well spent. Commissioner Rac ich asked if there would be a drive -thru in any of the buildings. There was not. Commissioner Kachel said that most cases go before the committee of a whole and asked if this one did. Mr. Garrigan said it did not. Mr. Argou d elis said that they have bee n working hard with staff on this, and Chairman Sobkoviak commended that. Commissioner Manning pointed out that Staff is recommending approval. Commissioner Racich said that the petitioner will have trouble with the Village Board too. Commissioner Manni ng asked what the petitioner would plan to do in two weeks. Mr. Argoudelis said that aside from the nine stipulations, he would add a sidewalk, but would need a consensus on whether parking should be in the front or the back. Either way, he would work wi th Mr. Linden on the plan. Chairman Sobkoviak pointed out that adding a sidewalk goes against what Staff is recommending, against the Teng Plan, and against the recommendations of the Design Consultant. Commissioner Kachel, Henry and Racich insisted on l ooking at the setback. Commissioner Manning said that they would then be going against the Teng Plan. Commissioner Racich asked Mr. Bryant if the Village wanted his building on the street. Mr. Bryant said they did, but he did not feel it is a pedestrian -oriented site. Mr. Garrigan said that he did not want the gateway to Plainfield to be a parking lot. A discussion ensued regarding this. Commissioner Kachel said that he did not thing the Teng Plan encompassed this corner. He thought it just encompass ed the downtown area. He spoke again about consistency. Mr. Argoudelis said that the difference between their building and the one across the street is the drive -thru bank. The applicant has worked with staff for one year and has followed the Village’s rules, regulations, and ordinances. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 7 At 8:53 p m, Commissioner Manning moved to recommend approval to the Village Board for the rezoning of the subject site to a B -3 (Community Shopping Center District). Commissioner Schinderle seconded the motion. Chair man Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry , Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0. At 8:54pm, Commissioner Manning moved to recommend approval of the Special Use Permit for the Planned Un it Development (PUD) subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. Commissioner Schinderle seconded the motion. Chairman Sobko viak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7:0. At 8:55pm, Commissioner Manning moved to recommend approval of the Site Plan subject to the following stipulation s: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. 3. Submit a revised landscape plan with the changes identified by staff. 4. Incorporation of brick pavers at the corner of R oute 59 and Main Street. 5. Incorporation of a sidewalk along Main Street with decorative lights and shade trees. 6. Move Building C back two (2) feet and reduce the size of the sidewalk along the western perimeter of Building C from 8 feet to 6 feet. 7. Add shade trees and decorative lighting along Route 59. 8. Use decorative lighting in lieu of a more standard lighting fixture. 9. Lower the foot candle illumination level along the western perimeter of this site. Commissioner Schinderle seconded the motion. Chairman So bkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Manning, Schinderle, Sobkoviak Nay: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Racich PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 8 The motion will go forward with an unfavorable recommendation 3:4. The applicant was directed to confer with Staff to see when this case would go forward to the Village Board. A 10 -minute recess was called at 8:56pm. The meeting re -convened at 9:07pm. New Business CASE NO.: 1144 -092304.FP PLAINFIELD MARKETPLACE Request: Final Plat – Resubdivision of Lot 1 and 2 Location: Northwest Corner o f Rt. 59 and 119 th St. Applicant: Bill Bohne Started: 9:07 pm Jonathan Proulx read the staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any engineering considerations. There were not. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in William Bohne who had nothing to add. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment . There was no response. Commissioner Manning asked who Mr. Bohne was. Mr. Bohne said that he is the civil engineer for the owner of the entire lot. Commissioner Schinderle asked if he had any idea what will go there. Mr. Bohne said no, but they are currently working on a Site Plan Review. At 9:13pm , Commissioner Schinderle moved to recommend approval of the Plainfield Retail Center Resubdivision No. 1 subject to the following two (2) stipulat ions: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protection District. Commissioner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle , Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0 . This matter will go forward to the next Village Board meeting, but the petitioner was asked to be in touch with Staff. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 9 CASE NO.: 1145 -092704.FP CROSSROADS BUSINESS CENTE R Request: Final Plat – Resubdivision of Lot 2 Location: 143 rd St. between Van Dyke Rd. and Coil Plus Dr. Applicant: Ron March Started: 9:14pm Stephanie Sheetz presented the staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Ron March, the manager of 160 Plainfie ld, LLC who holds the title of this land. Mr. March said the he had a problem with one of the stipulations regarding cross -access easement. He said that this works with commercial or retail centers, but with an industrial center this allows small trucks to cut through office building lots. Mr. March said that this presents issues of theft, security, and safety. Chairman Sobkoviak wanted each lot to address storm water. Mr. March said that each lot took this into consideration. However, all storm water will be handled off site. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if this was okay with staff. The Village Engineer said that they have complied with the overall design. Mr. March explained that the storm sewer is under Coil Plus Drive and drains into off site detent ion. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if any improvements would be made. Mr. March said that all improvements are agreed on in the Statement of Intent and Agreement and will be done in the spring. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any commissioner comments . There were none. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no response. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if the Village Engineer or Staff had any additional concerns. They did not. Commissioner Schinderle asked if they need to di scuss stipulation 3. Chairman Sobkoviak said that Mr. March makes a good argument. Commissioner Kachel did not have a problem with this since the site is on Coil Plus Drive and not on 143 rd Street. Commissioner Henry said that he was worried about Fire Department concerns but felt that would be handled by stipulation 2. Commissioner Manning asked Staff if they wanted to defend their position. Ms. Sheetz said that she is not stuck on it but wanted to handle the issue up front. A heated discussion ensue d regarding legal issues. Commissioner Racich asked if there was no cross -access easement, what they would use. Mr. March said they would use landscaping. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 10 Commissioner Kachel said that since this is industrial, he understands; but would happen if this became commercial. Ms. Sheetz said that they can do this on a case by case basis but felt that it was cleaner to handle this way. Commissioner Henry said that it is Mr. March’s risk. Mr. March said that the middle lot owner does not want it. However, they are willing to add it if both owners want it. Ms. Sheetz said that they are not designating where this should be; they just want it to be there. Mr. March said that practically, they can only be put in certain places which limit the marketability of the site. Commissioner Henry said that in a lot of 8 acres this is difficult and asked the Village Engineer for his opinion. The Village Engineer gave his opinion on where they driveways would be. Commissioner Kachel said that he did not think it would be a problem on Coil Plus Drive versus 143 rd Street. Ms. Sheetz said that there is also the thought of putting in a rear -access drive, but that is the Plan Commission’s prerogative. Commissioner Kachel said that there are security and safety issues in the rear. Commissioner Gehrke asked where the maintenance and Police Department buildings are going to be. This was pointed out on the map. Chairman Sobkoviak pointed out that they expect traffic to be somewhat busy through there then. Commissioner He nry asked why the sites lot sizes were broken down as they are. Mr. March explained the geometry of the site, and the petitioner wanted square sites. Mr. March said that they are expecting one site to be an office building and reiterated that they do not want to mix office and industrial traffic. There was some discussion regarding where the entrance would be on Lot 17. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there was any additional discussion or questions. There was none. At 9:50pm , Commissioner Schinderle move d to recommend approval of Crossroads Business Center Lot 2 Resubdivision subject to the following two (2) stipulations : 1) Subject to the requirements of the Village Engineer. 2) Subject to Fire Department’s review and approval. Commissioner Racich seconded th e motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry , Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 11 Nay: None The motion is carried 7 :0 . CASE NO.: 1142 -091704.FP PATRIOT SQUARE UNIT 2 Request: Final Plat Location: Southeas t Corner of Rt. 30 and Van Dyke Rd... Applicant: Michael Bessell Started: 9:52pm Mr. Proulx read the staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any engineering concerns. The Village Engineer said that beyond the street stub issue, no engineeri ng was associated with this site. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Michael Bessell from Cambridge Homes. Mr. Bessell felt that the Paul Revere stub street was a bad idea since it promotes cars instead of pedestrians. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they want to promote cars for connectivity and community purposes. They will stand fast by this. Chairman Sobkoviak asked about the recapture fee. Mr. Bessell said that this was no problem. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no r esponse. Mr. Bessell said that he still disagreed about the stub street. When Commissioner Schinderle asked why, Mr. Bessell said that there are two major north -south routes through there already. Chairman Sobkoviak said that they do not want children t aking a major road. Mr. Bessell said that he supported a sidewalk. Commissioner Racich said that it is not unusual for a developer to discourage traffic from entering their community, but the commission wants this for the community. At 10:05pm, Commissi oner Kachel moved to recommend approval of the final plat for Patriot Square, Unit II, subject to the following four (4) stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer . 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield Fire Protect ion District. 3. Revision of the final plat and final engineering documents to revise the Paul Rever e Court cul -de -sac to a stub street terminating at the southerly project boundary. 4. Payment of recapture fees prior to release of final plat for recordation. C ommissioner Henry seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 12 Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7:0. CASE NO.: CC -12357 FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST LUTHERAN CHURCH Req uest: Special Use Location: 12357 – 248 th Ave. Applicant: Pastor Ron Voss Started: 10:05pm Mr. Proulx read the staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak swore in Ronald Voss, the pastor of the church. Mr. Voss said that this is in unincorporated Will County and showed the surrounding area on the map. He said that they started to work with the County Land Use committee regarding the possible use of a barn or home. Looking at the total site, .85 acres will be approved for use as a religious gathering, and the re st will be rented out. The architect is working on this and has submitted a plan to the County. He had a copy of the County Staff’s report and showed that they meet the County’s requirement. He also said that he had a copy of Mr. Proulx’s report and agr eed with most of the requests, but not with all of them. He will take the Village’s recommendations to the county with his thoughts. The Commission went over the stipulations. The petitioner agreed to the stipulations regarding on street parking and the right -of -way. The petitioner wanted to work out a compromise regarding the sidewalk along the easterly side of 248 th Avenue along the applicant’s full street frontage. Mr. Voss said that they can put this in front of the area for Special Use , but did no t want to put this in front of the entire lot. A discussion regarding this ensued. Commissioner Henry said that his fear is that the sidewalk will encourage on -street parking. Mr. Proulx said that they certainly oppose that, but he was given an opinion by the Village Engineer that sidewalk costs are going up and that they should look at this now. The commission agreed that the whole sidewalk can be delayed until major development occurs. The petitioner agreed to obtain sign permits as per the stipulati on. Regarding the stipulation of prohibiting parking above the septic system, the petitioner agreed to this as the present plan complies. The petitioner said that he is working with the County about the driveway access points but felt the usage would be modest enough to not warrant two access points. Chairman Sobkoviak did not feel that they should limit this at this time. The commission agreed that the two access points can be held until major development. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 13 The petitioner agreed to the last 5 stipulat ions regarding septic system failure, recapture fees, landscaping plan, lighting plan, and Fire Protection requirements. Chairman Sobkoviak opened up the floor for public comment. There was no response. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any further questions from the commissioners. Commissioner Schinderle said that there is no way to cover everything. Mr. Proulx said that he based his recommendations on the 7 County stipulations. Mr. Garrigan encouraged the church to entertain a pre -annexation agreement so they could lock in the fees. Mr. Voss said that they will consider this in light of the commission’s positive action. At 10:51pm, Commissioner Henry moved to recommend to the Village Board that the following position of the Village be expres sed to the County in response to this case: “The Village of Plainfield appreciates the opportunity to provide the following position of the Village regarding the County’s Case 5342 -S considering a request for special use at 12357 248 th Avenue, Plainfield, IL. The Village maintains qualified support for the requested special use. The Village’s support is contingent on the following: 1. Willingness of the applicant to revise the proposed plans to meet the requirements of the County and voluntarily incorporat e the design guidance of the Village. Such guidance is provided in detail in the Village’s staff report to the Plan Commission and Village Board. The proposed requirements are summarized on the attached list in the form of proposed stipulations. Should the County be inclined to grant the requested special use, the Village respectfully requests that the proposed stipulations as amended be included in the County’s approval and become binding upon the applicant. 2. Further, the Village wishes to express its st rong desire to see the subject property voluntarily annexed into the Village. The Village invites the applicant to enter into pre -annexation or annexation agreement negotiations with the Village. Commissioner Kachel seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkovi ak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Manning, Schinderle, Racich, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 7:0. Chairman Kachel said that the Old Renwick Road Bridge is still in the township and thought there should be a contr ol light on this bridge. PLANNING COMMISSION MI NUTES OCTOBER 19, 2004 PAGE 14 Mr. Proulx clarified that the “concrete barriers” being erected at Central School will be security planters. Commissioner Racich asked if anyone ever got hit by an automobile on Route 50. Chairman Sobkoviak said he came close to being hit once and said that some kids have been hit before. Chairman Sobkoviak declare d the meeting adjourned at 1 1 :00pm . __________________ Respectfully submitted, Laura Griffith -Recording Secretary Karick & Associates, Inc.