HomeMy Public PortalAbout2003-02-04 PC minutesVillage of Plainfield Planning Commission Record of Minutes Date: February 4, 2003 Location: Village Hall Early Session The early session began at 6:30pm, and focused on design aspects of detention ponds. Stephanie Sheetz began the presentation. Steve Amann went over a handout on wet and dry bottom detention basins. Commissioner Schinderle asked how long will these wet -bottom basins take to fill in with silt and make the pond unuseable? Duane Linden said that he has an 11 -year -old pond behind hi s house and now needs repair, which will be about a $30,000 project. Commissioner Henry asked if it was uncommon for a development to have both dry and wet bottom ponds. Mr. Linden said it was not uncommon. Mr. Linden made several points. Regarding the depth of a pond, our area incorporates what is called a “fetch”, which is the area that wind can cause wave action. With respect to design, the straight rip -rap design looks bad. There are ways to do a combination using combo riprap and wildflower meado ws. Aeration is very important for non -fish ponds. Not only does the movement of water help with keeping the pond clean, but the sound of trickling water also adds an appeal to the residential area surrounding the pond. This, in combination with a visua lly appealing design, creates a serene living environment. Commissioner Kachel asked a question about aeration. Commissioner Kachel said that we need to set some precedents that require a certain level of landscaping that will incorporate what we’re seei ng here tonight. Mr. Linden said I do work with developers; some appreciate the value of enhanced designs such as we are seeing tonight, some do not. In 1970 we landscaped apartments and were told to spend $100 per apartment for landscaping costs. Such small investments cannot produce anything more than the most basic designs.
Chairman Sobkoviak said we need staff to incorporate these ideas into the PUD. He then asked Mr. Linden about a statement Mr. Linden made at the previous meeting regarding the va lue of aeration. The Early Session concluded at 7:00pm. (Planning Commission Regular Meeting) Chairman Sobkoviak called the meeting to order at 7:10pm. Roll Call Present: Commissioners Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Schinderle, Anderson, Sobkoviak Absent: Commissioner Manning, Park District, School District, Fire District, Library District Minutes The minutes of the January 21 st , 2003 meeting were accepted as presented. Old Business CASE NO.: 1001 -092702.SU MARK PETERS JEWELRY Request: Special Use L ocation: Rt. 59 near 127 th Street Applicant: Mark Perle Commenced: 7:12pm Mr. Garrigan gave the staff report. Commissioner Schinderle asked Mr. Garrigan why staff didn’t tell the applicant to make the changes stipulated in the staff report when the case was continued the last couple of times. That would have been better than having them make one change and now have them change it again. This is costing the applicant a lot of money to have new design plans created. Commissioner Henry commented that this is the same plan that we were presented with last time. Mr. Garrigan said that the current revision does satisfy some of staff’s concerns.
Commissioner Kachel asked, if they changed the back of the building so it looks better, would that meet your conce rns? Chairman Sobkoviak invited the petitioner to speak. Edward Welch, attorney for Mark Curley, addressed the commission. My client would agree to build what staff is requesting, but that modification would require a variance as well. Some of the cond itions staff has stipulated drive the cost of this project needlessly. One reason that the case has been continued so many times was because of the holidays – my client is very busy over the holidays. My client agrees to modify the architectural design o f his building, but not to the extent that staff is requesting. We could perhaps do something with the door to soften the look of the building face. Would the Board be willing to grant a variance if we went along with staff’s requests? Commissioner Sc hinderle said if your client is willing to go forward with staff’s recommendations I would be willing to support a variance. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any other issues that need to be discussed. Mr. Welch said this is a four -sided building. Commissioner Henry asked the applicant if he will be the sole occupier of the building. The applicant said that at first he will most likely have one tenant. Later, he probably will be the sole occupier. Chairman Sobkoviak asked Mr. Garrigan how he fel t about the current situation. Mr. Garrigan said that they have met most of our concerns. The placement of the building was 80% of our concern. Commissioner Henry asked the petitioner about the possibility of a sidewalk. Mr. Welch said we would be the only one with a sidewalk in that section of development. So it would do no good since it would go nowhere. Commissioner Kachel said that people in the future will want to walk to these places. Chairman Sobkoviak asked how the commission feels about a si dewalk on Rt. 59. Commissioner Schinderle said I am not happy with the idea. Commissioner Gehrke said that we might as well put one in. Mr. Welch said my client simply wants a timeframe for the sidewalk to be put in after which his money would be refund ed.
Chairman Sobkoviak said the Village Board should establish a time frame with the petitioner. Commissioner Henry asked what number proposal this is. What kind of signage are you looking at? – A small discussion about signage followed – Mr. Welch s aid my client wants to make his building attractive – it is in his interest to do so. Chairman Sobkoviak opened the meeting up for public comment at this time. No one from the audience spoke. Commissioner Kachel moved to continue the case to March 4 th . Commissioner Henry seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Schinderle, Anderson, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion is carried 6:0. New Business CASE NO.: 1016 -122002.PP/FP CROSSROADS BUSINES S CENTER Request: Preliminary Plat/Final Plat Location: Southeast corner of Rt. 30 and 143 rd Street Applicant: V3 Consultants, Richard Kipp Commenced: 8:00pm Stephanie Sheetz gave the staff report. Chairman Sobkoviak asked where the run -off is going. Ro n Marsh fielded that question, showing on the development display where drainage areas will be located. Chairman Sobkoviak asked why are we seeing preliminary and final plats at the same time.
Chairman Sobkoviak asked Steve Amann if he had any concerns. Mr. Amann said that they aren’t providing any detention area for the entire 160 acres. Commissioner Gehrke asked Ms. Sheetz if she had everything necessary in writing. Ms. Sheetz said that we are progressing in the right direction. Commissioner Kachel spoke to the architectural element of the development, saying that this should have a good look. Also, the detention issue should be checked out by the Village Attorney. Chairman Sobkoviak asked if there were any more issues to discuss. Commissioner Sch inderle moved to recommend approval for the preliminary and final plats for the Crossroads Business Center subject to the following stipulations: 1. Compliance with the requirements of the Village Engineer 2. Compliance with the requirements of the Plainfield F ire Protection District 3. The Statement of Intent and Agreement shall be prepared and agreed upon within 60 days of Board approval of the final plat 4. The final plat shall not be released by the Village of Plainfield until Staff approves the Crossroads Busines s Center Statement of Intent and Agreement 5. The statement of Intent and Agreement corresponding with the Crossroads Business Center PUD shall be recorded with the final plat 6. An approved landscaping plan shall be approved with the Statement of Intent and Agr eement and be attached to it 7. Bike trails must be built along the south side of 143 rd Street and the west side of New Van Dyke Road, complimented with heavy landscaping 8. Sidewalks shall be located along all public streets shown on the plat 9. A Dormant Special Service Area must be adopted prior to releasing the final plat Commissioner Anderson seconded the motion. Chairman Sobkoviak called for a vote by roll call. Aye: Kachel, Henry, Gehrke, Schinderle, Anderson, Sobkoviak Nay: None The motion carries 6:0. Chairman Sobkoviak spoke to Mike Garrigan about handicap access to homes. Chairman Sobkoviak brought up a newspaper article that discussed making homes “visitable” for handicapped people.
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