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Home My Public Portal About2013-08-22 HPC Minutes Village of Plainfield Special Meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission Record of Minutes Date: August 22 , 2013 Location: Village Hall CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL , PLEDGE Chairman Bortel called the meeting to order at 7:0 3 p.m. Roll ca ll was taken; Commissioners Schmidt, Kachel, Olsen, Derrick, Buchanan , Hagen , and Chairman Bortel were present. Commissioners Hendricksen and Rapp w ere absent. Michael Garrigan – Village Planner ; Merrilee Trotz, Recording Secretary w ere present. Chairma n Bortel led the pledge to the flag. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioner Derrick moved to approve the Agenda. Seconded by Commissioner Olsen . Voice vote: All in favor. Opposed - none . M otion carried 7 -0 . APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Schmidt ma de moti on to approve the minutes from August 8, 2013 as presented . Commissioner Hagen seconded the motion. Voice vote: All in favor. Opposed - none . Motion carried 7 -0. CHAIR’S COMM ENTS: Chairman Bortel mentioned the article in the Enterprise; in dicated the QR code labels need to be distributed; the brochures are ready for distribution to the library, the Chamber, the Historical Society, the Village and to property business owners in the downtown district; and in late September we should hear whet her the historic district will be listed by the keeper of the National Register. COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS: Commissioner Olsen asked if there would be a ceremony when the district is listed. Mr. Garrigan thought there would be some type of recognition at t he Village Board and perhaps press releases. Chairman Bortel mentioned there would be some type of signage along I -55 of the Historic Downtown District. PUBLIC COMMENT: (Items not on the Agenda) No one approached the microphone. OLD BUSINESS Case No. 1627 -072313.HPC (COA) 24 215 W Lockport Street Mr. Garrigan stated this case has been continued from the last meeting in the hopes to walk through the structure to investigate the condition of the windows. The applicant did not consent to a tour and is se eking to move forward with their request for a COA to replace the wood clapboard with vinyl siding Historic Preservati on Commission Minutes August 22 , 2013 Page 2 of 4 and replace the original windows with vinyl windows. This house has been identified as a contribut ing structure; this structure dates back to 1948 and is on e of the better examples of a Cape Cod house in the downtown. The original materials are located on the building. The applicant requested this matter be presented to the Village Board and has been scheduled for the August 26, 2013 meeting. Staff is look ing for some type of recommendation. The applicant indicated it is not a matter of cost but is a matter of minimal future maintenance; indicated the vinyl siding will be placed over the original clapboard while the windows would be replaced. Chairman Bor tel presented and reviewed additional material from the Secretary of Interior Standards regarding windows. Discussion was held regarding the replacement of the vinyl windows and the look created. Chairman Bortel stated that the proposal of the HPC would be considerably less expensive than what the applicant proposes. Commissioner Derrick felt the proposed action is inconsistent with the restoration of historic properties; stated replacement of the siding and windows w ould result in a complete alteration of the exterior of the building such that no historical materials will remain or be visible ; indicated such a property cannot be considered contributing element in a historic district because it does not add to the district’s sense of time and place; this action will erode the district and if this and other actions like it are permitted to take place we will no longer have a historic district. Commissioner Derrick indicated she would vote to deny the COA as it would not be consistent with the Village’s gu idelines or with the Secretary of Interior Standards. Commissioner Olsen felt this COA would not be conforming to the district. Commissioner Kachel felt this action would set a precedent for fut ure buildings in the historic district. Consensus of the Co mmissioners was that they (the Commissioners) were to protect the integrity of the historic district Commissioner Derrick made a motion to recommend denial of the proposed Certificate of Appropriateness to the Village Board for the property commonly known as 24215 W Lockport Street. Commissioner Olsen seconded the motion. Vote by roll call: Kachel, abstain; Schmidt, yes; Hagen, yes; Buchanan, yes; Olsen, yes ; Derrick , yes; Bortel, yes. Motion carried 6 yes -1 abstain. NEW BUSINESS Case No . 16 31 -0 805 13 .HPC (COA) 15102 S Fox River Street Mr. Garrigan stated the applicant is seeking a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) to allow him to expand the property located at 15102 S Fox River Street. This property was formerly Daddy O’s; the property is current ly vacant; the applicant is proposing to construct a one story addition around the existing building for a new Irish Pub. The subject site was constructed circa 1890 and the porch appears to date back to 1925. Historic Preservati on Commission Minutes August 22 , 2013 Page 3 of 4 The property is located within the Downtown Historic District and has been identified by the urban survey as a contributing structure and is identified as a cross plan house. The siding has been replaced ; there is still integrity to the roof and existing “cross plan” gables ; the windows on the seco nd floor and in the porch appear to be original . Mr. Garrigan reviewed the proposed addition ; indicated a one story addition around the perimeter of the existing cross plan house to contain additional dining area , incorporate a bar area and improvements to the kitchen. The proposed addition would mirror the style of the 1925 porch using similar types of windows . Mr. Garrigan reviewed the criteria that must be considered when reviewing a COA; indicated the Secretary of Interior Standards are not mandato ry but certain restoration standards should be considered; and indicated the addition must conform with certain guidelines of the Design Manual for Lockport Business Corridor. Mr. Garrigan stated the proposed addition would basically conceal the existing historical structure which is inconsistent with the guidelines. The applicant proposed to incorporate a design that mirrors the addition added to “Bin 48”. Staff is attempting to work with the applicant to balance the need for new businesses while add ing an addition to this building that is consistent with the existing structure and the historic fabric of the Downtown. Staff is looking for recommendations and input from the Historic Preservation Commission on how the proposed elevations could be modif ied to preserve the existing fac ade along Lockport and Fox River Streets. Chairman Bortel swore in Edward Concannon. Mr. Concannon described how the existing walls would be incorporated into the addition; described how the paint would be removed. Discus sion was held regarding the windows and the possible safety requirements . Commissioner Derrick asked if there was a plan view to show the propositions of addition to existing inside layout. Mr. Concannon stated he did not have a plan view; the current building is approximately 2800 sq. ft. and the addition will be approximately 38 00 sq. ft. Discussion was held regarding the windows, the roof line; outdoor seating ; setback of the building with the character of Fox River Street; the scale of the drawin gs presented; parking requirements. Mr. Garrigan indicated zero setback is permitted in the B -5 district; stated the applicant will need to provide a parking plan, because this is in the downtown the applicant can count parking spaces within 300 feet. T here is a precedent with Bin 48. Discussion was held regarding the footprint of the building ; and loss of character of the building ; size needed to make a good working restaurant . A suggestion was made to maintain the setback along Fox River Street, add to the south and west sides of the building; and the possibility of a lift instead of a ramp. Mr. Concannon stated they wanted to place the meeting rooms in the addition as the other rooms are too small; they need to make the kitchen larger to incorporate both Daddy O’s and the Irish Pub. Historic Preservati on Commission Minutes August 22 , 2013 Page 4 of 4 M r. Concannon mentioned the house is raised already so there are handicap problems ; and the need for sufficient restrooms ; indicated they would be about 5 feet off the lot line on the south elevation. Consensus was Mr. Concannon should continue working with staff; the proposed addition is too overwhelming and is not consistent with the guidelines; need to consider the setback on Fox River; focus the additions on the rear and west elevation s ; possibility of replicating t he architecture. There was no support for an addition to the sidewalk on the east side. Mr. Garrigan indicated this case could be brought to the September meeting with conceptual plans. Commissioner Derrick suggested Mr. Concannon bring in a plan view a t the next meeting. COMMITTEE REPORTS : DISCUSSION: Chairman Bortel stated LDDC would meet at the Dague farm on Essington Road south of 119 th Street. A demolition permit will be considered at the September 12 th HPC meeting for the barn on the Dague farm. ADJOURN: Commissioner Derrick made a motion to adjourn. Commissioner Schmidt seconded the motion. Meeting adjourned at 8:30 p. m. __________________________ Respectfully submitted, Merrilee Trotz - Recording Secretary