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HomeMy Public PortalAbout2022.02.03 T Mulder Fw_ Aggregated response to the party boat1 BessieJo Wagner From:Tom Mulder <tands2k@yahoo.com> Sent:Thursday, February 3, 2022 1:16 PM To:BessieJo Wagner Subject:Fw: Aggregated response to the party boat Follow Up Flag:Follow up Flag Status:Flagged CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the  sender and know the content is safe.    Bessie Jo, FYI Tom M. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Gene <generitti@gmail.com> To: Tom Mulder <tands2k@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022, 01:11:30 PM MST Subject: Re: Aggregated response to the party boat Bessie Jo’s email: Bwagner@mccall.id.us All excellent ideas you have. The applicant’s proposed location is plain dumb - very surprised it has gotten this far. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Tom Mulder <tands2k@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello all, I do not have Bessie Jo's email address, perhaps someone can provide that here..... My .02 cents.... Since "they" seem to insist that this is going to happen, that boat should be placed so that they have elbow room, and are out of everyone's hair. Not in the middle of an already congested area. My opinion is that boat should be placed way over on the east side of the Lake with the 'other concessions' like jet ski & paddle board rentals. The dock right down from what was Mountain Monkey Business would be great, as would the dock where the other pump out was located, near the volley ball court. 2 Ideal locations in my book. Tom M. On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 09:08:30 AM MST, Gene <generitti@gmail.com> wrote: I emailed Kurt and Bessie Jo (important to include her since she is the one who forwards concerns onward to the five City Council members) within the last hour expressing similar concerns. Gene Sent from my iPhone On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Clive Payne-Culpan <clive@culpanandcompany.com> wrote: I believe Tom is correct. I fired off an E mail to Mr. Wolf this morning pointing out the potential hazards as I see them, Inc 16 or more people milling around the sheriffs dock should there be an emergency, access for beach based none motorized sail boats, slip access for owners on the west dock, and potential congestion around the pump station. I followed up with a call to him to reiterate the same, and just got off the phone. I propose all concerned do the same today. Clive C. From: Thomas Arnold [mailto:tjarnold@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2022 10:19 AM To: Gene Ritti <generitti@gmail.com> Cc: Clive Payne-Culpan <clive@culpanandcompany.com>; Dean Martin <deancrna16@gmail.com>; Jim Pace <mccallboater@gmail.com>; Staci Ball <mahers1967@hotmail.com>; May Hardware <bookkeeper@mayhardware.com>; christopher.sours@gmail.com; cyber.snow@yahoo.com; steve@gowikiwiki.net; avi.azoulay@mccallrealestate.com; Dianne Warden <diannewarden@gmail.com>; Phillipe Masser <masserpa@gmail.com>; bretthunt@live.net; Todd Frazen <Toddfranzen@hotmail.com>; hartley.evelyn@gmail.com; Noelle Walters <nkbwalters@yahoo.com>; ingri milleman <ingri@citlink.net>; Jeffrey Roberts <jeffrey.roberts@boiseschools.org>; Andy & Kat Edgin <anedgin@gmail.com>; 3 corkylrn@gmail.com; cherylcharlton22@gmail.com; smjbarry@gmail.com; baileydm1016@msn.com; stobyfam@cableone.net; spminor@frontiernet.net; sdube702@outlook.com; handmmaher@yahoo.com; john.adlam@spencerlabs.com; Bill Hallyburton <bill.hallyburton@gmail.com>; mvahomebrew@yahoo.com; Bing SMITH <bingsmith@me.com>; davethomasart@gmail.com; jreeves45@msn.com; janet.vlasach@gmail.com; teresa.patrick777@gmail.com; chuckdollar3@gmail.com; John Allsbury <John@propowercleaninc.com>; chris nelson <jomfrubrygg@gmail.com>; gene benedict <fireeatr01@gmail.com>; ks10@msn.com; abbie_parker@hp.com; justjengray@gmail.com; lcomstock@frontiernet.net; brettnorseth115@msn.com; Mike & Jan Green <greeneorio1@juno.com>; kathydeluna@icloud.com; jim.monroe@gmail.com; jannaallen@live.com; John Burke <johnjburke55@gmail.com>; scott beecham <scott.beecham@gmail.com>; jeffpatrick1195@gmail.com; Luci McDonald <mcdonaldLuci@gmail.com>; bmsch@yahoo.com; Marty & Maureen O'Toole <mmotoole@cableone.net>; blpajohnston@msn.com; brundigej@gmail.com; anderson@ctcweb.net; j.bruce.mullen@gmail.com; dstewart5589@gmail.com; Dave Petty <parinama@hotmail.com>; Jeff Aebischer <jaebisch@gmail.com>; Russel Sparks <spmbucket@gmail.com>; Greg Ramp <greg.ramp@aire.com>; jmbrake1@msn.com; torandersen1000@yahoo.com; Mike & Denise Daly <mike@stansgc.com>; George & Sue Drashner <gdrashner@juno.com>; rcb758@aol.com; lindbergjeff@yahoo.com; rmbradfield11@gmail.com; Mike & Judy Maguire <maguirejam@hotmail.com>; kloogden@gmail.com; andedarcy12@gmail.com; marty@thehartwellcorp.com; Clyde & Sharon Johnson <clyde.johnson4245@gmail.com>; hatfield7@gmail.com; nick@ereksonlawoffice.com; jbalis@thermg.com; cheryl larabee <cheryllarabee@boisestate.edu>; Tom Mulder <tands2k@yahoo.com>; juliegmurphy@gmail.com; brianliming39@gmail.com; mikerobnett@gmail.com; asmart49@bellsouth.net; Jerry & Tracy Robinson <sailingfine@msn.com> Subject: Re: Aggregated response to the party boat Looks like there is a very short window to provide any feedback regarding the paddle boat. Only by phone or by person to Mr. Wolf tomorrow if I read his response correctly as he says he will be sending out a document in response to neighbors within 300’ by the end of the week. I would guess that only means Rick Fereday will get this. Based on the Boise Dev article, my understanding is the City Council has already voted (3-2) in the favor of the application, so that train has left the station. The only possibility is to affect the location of the party boat. As many have raised the issue of restricting the access of marina users access to their slips as well as possible navigation restrictions and damage. We should focus on convincing Mr. Wolf to change the location to the west side of the other dock in the park. McCall Parks & Rec seems to be on a path to monetize the public parks so I doubt that this will not be the last commercial enterprise who will be moored on the dock next to the marina in the future if they are allowed this party boat to moor there. 4 On Feb 2, 2022, at 7:31 AM, Gene Ritti <generitti@gmail.com> wrote: Here is a response from Kurt Wolf to my email requesting clarification on how concerns about the proposed paddle boat contract can be conveyed - see below. There obviously are several ways slip owners can consider submitting their viewpoints, whether individually, in subgroups, or as one marina……. Gene Ritti On Feb 2, 2022, at 7:14 AM, Kurt Wolf <kwolf@mccall.id.us> wrote: Hi Gene, As Anette has noted we have not signed or moved forward with any agreements regarding the concession and do not plan to move this forward until we have documented these concerns and addressed. I will be the point of contact on this matter and welcome the opportunity to discuss over the phone or in person as we develop a formal outreach document in writing and in responses. This document will go out later this week via email to all that have submitted a concern and or support to date, as well as through the mail to all neighbors within three hundred feet. If I don’t take the time to capture all of the written responses and reply systematically in one email/letter to all I will inevitably miss something or someone. Thanks for reaching out and please feel free to call if you want to discuss in detail. My cell phone is the best number to reach me at, I am in Boise for appointments today (Wednesday) and back in the office tomorrow. Thank You, Kurt K Wolf Parks & Recreation Director, City Arborist City of McCall – Parks & Recreation Dept. ISA Certified Arborist (PN-7353A) – ISA Tree Risk Assessment Qualification American Society of Landscape Architects (ASLA) www.mccallparksandrec.com 216 E. Park Street McCall, Idaho 83638 Office: 208-634-8967 Cell: 208-315-0063 Blog: mccallcitysource.com Social: Facebook.com/cityofmccall -----Original Message----- From: Gene Ritti <generitti@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:17 PM To: Anette Spickard <aspickard@mccall.id.us> Cc: Kurt Wolf <kwolf@mccall.id.us> Subject: Re: Marina Issue CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. Thank you, Anette, for your prompt response. 5 Kurt: there are a host of issues that various May’s Marina slip owners have about this proposed concession agreement for a party-paddle-boat, and I believe they (including me) are anxious to know when they can convey those concerns, and to whom those concerns should be conveyed. All of these folks are hopeful that their concerns can be incorporated into the process before the City gets close to any decision on whether to move forward with a contract and, if so, on what terms. Please let me know how the Marina folks can communicate their concerns to you/others. Best regards, Gene Ritti 804 Evergreen Drive, McCall Slip #54 Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2022, at 12:14 PM, Anette Spickard <aspickard@mccall.id.us> wrote: Hello, The agreement with the applicant has not been finalized nor signed by the city as we are working through the issues raised and addressing them with the applicant. Kurt Wolf, our Parks & Recreation Director, is the point of contact for this agreement and responsible for managing it. He will be in touch with everyone who has raised issues. I have copied him here so you have his email address. He can speak more specifically to the conditions we are looking to incorporate into the agreement. Best regards, Anette Spickard | City Manager 216 E Park Street | McCall | ID 83638 Direct: 208.634.1003 | Fax: 208.634.3038 Sent from my iPad On Feb 1, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Clive Payne-Culpan <clive@culpanandcompany.com> wrote: 6 It seems to me there are a few separate questions here. 1: Did the issuance of this concession require a public hearing? If not, then that’s a nonstarter, if it did, then there is a question to the city regarding due process if anyone wants to tackle that.. 2: Annette Spickard from the city has responded to myself and others that the party concession is NOT signed off, yet other sources report it passed on Thursday. Which is true? I have asked her to clarify. 3: In her response she says Mr. Wolf of P & R is the contact moving forward. I asked her to clarify who is the contact regarding issues of Egress. P & R or the city. (Which seems to be the real issue) Regarding some of us not liking a party boat being close, or even on the lake. I believe Mr. Petty is on point, we many of us like a drink on our boats and the lake is for all. Seems to me, we would need to wait and see if there are such issues or not, and complain, if necessary, to the appropriate party, at the appropriate time. Clive C. From: Dean Martin [mailto:deancrna16@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 2:11 PM To: Thomas Arnold <tjarnold@mac.com> Cc: Jim Pace <mccallboater@gmail.com>; Staci Ball <mahers1967@hotmail.com>; May Hardware <bookkeeper@mayhardware.com>; christopher.sours@gmail.com; cyber.snow@yahoo.com; steve@gowikiwiki.net; avi.azoulay@mccallrealestate.com; Dianne 7 Warden <diannewarden@gmail.com>; Phillipe Masser <masserpa@gmail.com>; bretthunt@live.net; Todd Frazen <Toddfranzen@hotmail.com>; hartley.evelyn@gmail.com; Noelle Walters (nkbwalters@yahoo.com) <nkbwalters@yahoo.com>; ingri milleman <ingri@citlink.net>; Jeff Roberts <jeffrey.roberts@boiseschools.org>; Andy & Kat Edgin <anedgin@gmail.com>; corkylrn@gmail.com; cherylcharlton22@gmail.com; smjbarry@gmail.com; baileydm1016@msn.com; stobyfam@cableone.net; spminor@frontiernet.net; sdube702@outlook.com; handmmaher@yahoo.com; john.adlam@spencerlabs.com; bill.hallyburton@gmail.com; mvahomebrew@yahoo.com; Bing SMITH <bingsmith@me.com>; davethomasart@gmail.com; jreeves45@msn.com; janet.vlasach@gmail.com; teresa.patrick777@gmail.com; chuckdollar3@gmail.com; John Allsbury <John@propowercleaninc.com>; chris nelson <jomfrubrygg@gmail.com>; Clive Culpan <clive@culpanandcompany.com>; gene benedict <fireeatr01@gmail.com>; ks10@msn.com; abbie_parker@hp.com; justjengray@gmail.com; lcomstock@frontiernet.net; brettnorseth115@msn.com; Mike & Jan Green <greeneorio1@juno.com>; kathydeluna@icloud.com; jim.monroe@gmail.com; jannaallen@live.com; John Burke <johnjburke55@gmail.com>; scott beecham <scott.beecham@gmail.com>; jeffpatrick1195@gmail.com; Luci McDonald <mcdonaldLuci@gmail.com>; bmsch@yahoo.com; Marty & Maureen O'Toole <mmotoole@cableone.net>; blpajohnston@msn.com; brundigej@gmail.com; anderson@ctcweb.net; j.bruce.mullen@gmail.com; dstewart5589@gmail.com; generitti@gmail.com; Dave Petty <parinama@hotmail.com>; Jeff Aebischer <jaebisch@gmail.com>; Russel Sparks <spmbucket@gmail.com>; Greg Ramp <greg.ramp@aire.com>; JMBRAKE1@msn.com; torandersen1000@yahoo.com; Mike & Denise Daly <mike@stansgc.com>; George & Sue Drashner <gdrashner@juno.com>; rcb758@aol.com; lindbergjeff@yahoo.com; rmbradfield11@gmail.com; Mike & Judy Maguire <maguirejam@hotmail.com>; kloogden@gmail.com; andedarcy12@gmail.com; marty@thehartwellcorp.com; Clyde & Sharon Johnson <clyde.johnson4245@gmail.com>; hatfield7@gmail.com; nick@ereksonlawoffice.com; jbalis@thermg.com; cheryl larabee <cheryllarabee@boisestate.edu>; Tom Mulder <tands2k@yahoo.com>; juliegmurphy@gmail.com; brianliming39@gmail.com; mikerobnett@gmail.com; asmart49@bellsouth.net; Jerry & Tracy Robinson <sailingfine@msn.com> Subject: Re: Aggregated response to the party boat It is VERY IMPORTANT that each of us send an email to city hall. Way more impressive if they get inundated with emails then one with 40 signatures. Also, I agree with Tom A that a copy should be sent to the Star News editor, this will generate some outside interest in the underhanded process used so far. 8 Co-Captain S/V DreamCatcher On Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 3:03 PM Thomas Arnold <tjarnold@mac.com> wrote: Same here. you can add Tom & Leslie Arnold to the list of supporters. Also a letter to the editor of the star news (Tom Grote) is a great Idea. On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Jim Pace <mccallboater@gmail.com> wrote: Nice work Staci. Feel free to add our names (Jim and Pam Pace” to your letter. I personally am most concerned with the narrow passage for sailing craft exiting the west side of the marina. Beach spot cats have a hard enough time as is. ---------- Jim Pace Ph: (208) 869-2284 On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Staci Ball <mahers1967@hotmail.com> wrote: All: Thank you for sending all of your concerns/points. I have aggregated them below. You can either use them to construct your own email OR you can cut and paste everything below and send it to: Anette Spickard (city manager) aspickard@mccall.id.us (208) 634-1003 Also, my significant other suggested that we contact the Star News about publishing our concerns in an OpEd article. Would you like me to contact the Star News? 9 Aggregated response follows.... Marina Residence Concerns about McCall City Council approved a concession agreement for a 16- person pedal party boat to be moored on the east side of the Sheriff’s dock. We, the residents of the May Hardware Marina, were alarmed to hear that the City Council made this decision without a public hearing. We request that the City Council reverse this decision and find alternative, safer locations for this operation. Following are our concerns: Safety & Damage  Adults, teens, and children swim and dive in the areas surrounding the public beach, public dock and marina docks: a party boat operating in this small area poses an extreme danger and a major liability to the city of McCall.  The proposed docking location of the party boat will make it very difficult and potentially dangerous for the marina boats parked across from this location to safely enter and exit their slips and the path to the open water, particularly if party boat operators are under the influence. The marina boats on the west side deserve easy, safe egress from the marina dock. The marina was there and the agreed upon access obvious.  There will most certainly be damage to marina resident boats from potential collisions, vandalism, etc. Similarly, there will most certainly be damage to our dock and facilities from inebriated party boat patrons.  This particular location on the lake is very constrained and used by several emergency vehicles – the deputy patrol boat and fire boat both need clear access to this area. This area is also used for boats using the dump station to our facility. Multiple departures and arrivals from a party boat in a high traffic area such as this will likely cause accidents.  There are several submerged pilings in that area that can cause severe damage or sinking if hit. Party boat operators will not know to look for these hazards. 10  Who will be responsible for paying damages to marina boats, docks, and facilities caused by the party boat? Is the city carrying liability and insurance given that the party boat is operating off of a city owned dock? Family environment  Inappropriate behavior and language is unfortunately a byproduct of alcohol. Bear Park and the Marina is largely used by families, many with young children. We do not want our families, nor any family, exposed to obnoxious drinking behavior including language, nudity, other drug use (marijuana), sexual conduct, etc.  Bear park will likely become less attractive to families and ultimately become a party site. Exacerbate already existing issues  The marina and its residents already have issues with people trespassing our dock, facilities, and boats. This will become an even bigger issue with a regular cadence of people who are under the influence. Lack of input from the public on this decision  Commercial operations should be limited to commercial docks. Temporary public docking locations are scarce to begin with. By allowing this, the city is opening the door to additional commercial requests at the sacrifice of the tax payers who funded these locations McCall’s image and the visitors it will attract  McCall has worked hard to clean up its reputation as a party place. This decision contradicts the work that has been done. Does the city want McCall to become the next Lake Havasu? Is this decision aligned with the desired visitor profile that McCall seeks to attract? Staci Ball http://www.runningthroughgrief.com/ 11 From: May Hardware <bookkeeper@mayhardware.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 2:39 PM To: christopher.sours@gmail.com <christopher.so urs@gmail.com>; mccallboater@gmail.com<mcca llboater@gmail.com>; cyber.snow@yahoo.com <c yber.snow@yahoo.com>; steve@gowikiwiki.net < steve@gowikiwiki.net>; avi.azoulay@mccallreales tate.com<avi.azoulay@mccallrealestate.com>; dia nnewarden@gmail.com <diannewarden@gmail.co m>; masserpa@gmail.com <masserpa@gmail.co m>; bretthunt@live.net <bretthunt@live.net>; Tod dfranzen@hotmail.com <Toddfranzen@hotmail.co m>; hartley.evelyn@gmail.com<hartley.evelyn@g mail.com>; nkbwalters@yahoo.com <nkbwalters @yahoo.com>; ingri@citlink.net<ingri@citlink.net> ; jeffrey.roberts@boiseschools.org <jeffrey.roberts @boiseschools.org>; anedgin@gmail.com <anedg in@gmail.com>; corkylrn@gmail.com <corkylrn@ gmail.com>; cherylcharlton22@gmail.com <cheryl charlton22@gmail.com>; smjbarry@gmail.com<s mjbarry@gmail.com>; baileydm1016@msn.com < baileydm1016@msn.com>; stobyfam@cableone.n et <stobyfam@cableone.net>; spminor@frontierne t.net<spminor@frontiernet.net>; sdube702@outlo ok.com <sdube702@outlook.com>; tjarnold@mac .com <tjarnold@mac.com>; handmmaher@yahoo. com <handmmaher@yahoo.com>; john.adlam@s pencerlabs.com <john.adlam@spencerlabs.com>; bill.hallyburton@gmail.com<bill.hallyburton@gmai l.com>; mvahomebrew@yahoo.com <mvahomebr ew@yahoo.com>; bingsmith@me.com <bingsmith @me.com>; davethomasart@gmail.com<davetho masart@gmail.com>; jreeves45@msn.com <jreev es45@msn.com>; janet.vlasach@gmail.com <jan et.vlasach@gmail.com>; teresa.patrick777@gmail .com<teresa.patrick777@gmail.com>; chuckdollar 3@gmail.com <chuckdollar3@gmail.com>; John @propowercleaninc.com <John@propowercleanin c.com>; jomfrubrygg@gmail.com<jomfrubrygg@g mail.com>; clive@culpanandcompany.com <clive @culpanandcompany.com>; fireeatr01@gmail.co m <fireeatr01@gmail.com>; ks10@msn.com <ks1 0@msn.com>; abbie_parker@hp.com <abbie_par ker@hp.com>; justjengray@gmail.com<justjengra y@gmail.com>; lcomstock@frontiernet.net <lcoms 12 tock@frontiernet.net>; brettnorseth115@msn.com <brettnorseth115@msn.com>; greeneorio1@juno .com<greeneorio1@juno.com>; kathydeluna@iclo ud.com <kathydeluna@icloud.com>; jim.monroe@ gmail.com <jim.monroe@gmail.com>; jannaallen @live.com <jannaallen@live.com>; johnjburke55 @gmail.com <johnjburke55@gmail.com>; scott.be echam@gmail.com<scott.beecham@gmail.com>; jeffpatrick1195@gmail.com <jeffpatrick1195@gma il.com>; mcdonaldLuci@gmail.com <mcdonaldLuc i@gmail.com>; bmsch@yahoo.com <bmsch@yah oo.com>; mmotoole@cableone.net <mmotoole@c ableone.net>; blpajohnston@msn.com<blpajohnst on@msn.com>; brundigej@gmail.com <brundigej @gmail.com>; anderson@ctcweb.net<anderson@ ctcweb.net>; j.bruce.mullen@gmail.com <j.bruce. mullen@gmail.com>; dstewart5589@gmail.com < dstewart5589@gmail.com>; generitti@gmail.com< generitti@gmail.com>; parinama@hotmail.com <p arinama@hotmail.com>; jaebisch@gmail.com<jae bisch@gmail.com>; spmbucket@gmail.com <spm bucket@gmail.com>; greg.ramp@aire.com<greg.r amp@aire.com>; jmbrake1@msn.com <jmbrake1 @msn.com>; torandersen1000@yahoo.com <tora ndersen1000@yahoo.com>; mike@stansgc.com< mike@stansgc.com>; gdrashner@juno.com <gdra shner@juno.com>; rcb758@aol.com<rcb758@aol .com>; lindbergjeff@yahoo.com <lindbergjeff@ya hoo.com>; rmbradfield11@gmail.com <rmbradfiel d11@gmail.com>; maguirejam@hotmail.com<ma guirejam@hotmail.com>; deancrna16@gmail.com <deancrna16@gmail.com>; kloogden@gmail.co m <kloogden@gmail.com>; andedarcy12@gmail.c om<andedarcy12@gmail.com>; marty@thehartwe llcorp.com <marty@thehartwellcorp.com>; mahers 1967@hotmail.com <mahers1967@hotmail.com>; clyde.johnson4245@gmail.com<clyde.johnson42 45@gmail.com>; hatfield7@gmail.com <hatfield7 @gmail.com>; nick@ereksonlawoffice.com <nick @ereksonlawoffice.com>; jbalis@thermg.com<jba lis@thermg.com>; cheryllarabee@boisestate.edu <cheryllarabee@boisestate.edu>; tands2k@yaho o.com <tands2k@yahoo.com>; juliegmurphy@gm ail.com<juliegmurphy@gmail.com>; brianliming39 @gmail.com <brianliming39@gmail.com>; mikero bnett@gmail.com <mikerobnett@gmail.com>; as mart49@bellsouth.net<asmart49@bellsouth.net>; sailingfine@msn.com <sailingfine@msn.com> Subject: Marina Residents.... Dear Marina Residents, 13 I am sending this message today to inform you that the McCall City Council approved a concession agreement Thursday night for a 16- person pedal party boat to be moored on the east side of the Sheriff’s dock. Hours of operation – noon until 10pm. I was not aware that this proposal has been in the mix for 6-8 weeks and had been advertised in public notices. Just found out about it Tuesday and no opportunity to comment. There was no public hearing. We are very concerned about the impact to you – our patrons. If you are concerned about this use of our public park, please let the city know ASAP. I intend to let The City know of my displeasure over this decision. Rick Fereday May Marina