HomeMy Public PortalAboutGAC Minutes 1995 02/01GOLF COURSE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE MEETING
MINUTES
February 1, 1995
Members Present: Ted Whiteman
Rick VanNoy
Judy Barkley
Advisors Present: Carl Hoss
Visitors Present: Jim Staup
Jim Campbell
Jeannee Campbell
Max Williamson
Ted Winkel
Anita Winkel
Call to Order:
Frank Brown
Jeff Goodman
Judy Brown
Bob Schmitt
Bob Luchow
Jerry Summer
Harry Simpson
John Bryant
Ted Whiteman called the meeting to order at 7:04 P.M.
All Members of the committee were present.
Minutes:
Rick VanNoy moved and Jeff Goodman seconded that the
minutes of the January 4, 1995 meeting be approved as read.
Motion carried unanimously.
Old Business:
Golf Foundation Issues:
Ted said that he wanted to hear from individuals in the
audience representing various viewpoints. He first
called out for testimony from anyone who may be
representing the "GFET" since they raised the issues.
There was apparently no one present to represent the
"GFET". The floor was then opened up to other
viewpoints. Ted asked for comments from the Men's and
Women's Associations. Anita Winkel said that she had
authored a "letter to the editor" in the Star News. She
also said that she had sent out a letter to the Board
Members of her organization. She read the letter to the
Committee. (See enclosed letter) She also said that she
wanted to put the issue behind us. Harry Simpson said
that he also had written a "letter to the editor" in the
Star News. He said that he would like to see the matter
put to rest as soon as possible. Jeff Goodman asked
that the "Letters to the Editor" are noted and made a
part of the minutes of this meeting. (See enclosures)
Max Williamson then spoke that he had been approached
with the issue of whether there had been an accounting
of the Golf Foundation's Books and that he had
personally seen several reports generated from the
Foundation and had not seen anything irregular.
Regarding the preferential tee time impacts, Max said he
had gone through the sign in sheets and it appeared to
him that the impact was not as great as had be.n thought
by others. A sheet showing some research done by Carl
Hoss was circulated to the Committee. Ted Whiteman read
the results of the survey aloud to the audience. (See
er.losed report). Max also pointed out that there was a
rzmmitment made by a previous Golf Committee and City
Council and he felt that this Committee should also
honor that commitment. Max also said he would like to
see the issue put to rest and move forward. Jim
Campbell was next to take the floor. He said that he
had also written a "letter to the editor" that should be
out in tomorrow Star News explaining his views as well.
Jim Staup then spoke that he felt that it is important
that the issues be brought out in the open. He felt
that it would be helpful that the Foundations function
be further explained. Rick VanNoy then answered with a
historical perspective on the Foundation's formation
chronology. Rick said that he did not feel that it was
the Golf Committee's place to answer for the Foundation,
but also felt that it was important that the Foundation
continue to function because of the useful tax
incentives as well as fund raising capabilities. Frank
Brown then furnished a statement of receipts,
disbursements and cash balance of the Golf Course
Foundation. He also set himself aside from the
Committee and explained the Foundation's view as an
officer of that organization. Harry Simpson voiced
concern over the idea of reissuing lifetime passes after
death of the holder or transferring the pass during a
sale. Ted Whiteman explained that this issue has come
before the Committee before and the recommendation has
been to not allow the reissuance of lifetime passes.
Subsequently the McCall City Council has addressed the
issue and also decided not to authorize reissuance.
Rick VanNoy moved to recommend reaffirmation of the
action of the previous Committee recommendation of
August 29, 1990 regarding Lifetime Passholder
conditions. The motion was seconded by Jeff Goodman and
Judy Barkley. The motion carried with a unanimous vote.
Humanitarian Sports Hall of Fame Tourney
Ted Whiteman reported to the Committee that he had
discussed the Recommendations from the Committee with
the City Council regarding the scheduling of the
Tournament. Judy Barkley noted that the Council had
stipulated that this Tourney was not to occupy more than
18 holes of the golf course for the duration of the
Tournament scheduling. Rick VanNoy asked if any further
requests have been made from the Tournament organizers.
Judy explained that organization of the Tournament
peripherals is somewhat of an intangible issue at this
point.
Kuhn & Assoc. Professional Services Agreement
Ted Whiteman told the Committee that the City Manager
had received a letter from the Irrigation Engineer
inquiring as to the status of execution of the Services
Contract. Ted then explained the various tasks that had
been outlined by the Engineer and also the costs
relative to the specific task were also noted. It was
thought by the committee that the City could at least
embark on the first portion of the work scope and get
moving in the right direction while buying some time to
discuss future contract commitments with Charlie.
Frank Brown moved to recommend acceptance and
to authorize execution of Scope Items A & B as were
written in the correspondence dated Jan. 12, 1995 from
Kuhn Associates to Gary Shimun. It was understood that
this includes work to complete plans and specs. and a
final cost estimate for project completion and costs
totaling $17,200 for the above listed scope items. Rick
VanNoy seconded the motion, and it carried unanimously.
The Committee agreed to look at subsequent scope items
when Charlie Denham returns to consider possible cost
savings.
Hydrojet 3000 Aerator - Report
Rick VanNoy reported on his research of an Aeration
machine which may provide improved techniques for green
conditioning. Rick explain that the cost of this piece
of equipment is $22,000 and that we have received a
commitment for an 18 green demonstration prior to the
Sports Hall of Fame Tournament. Rick also said that he
found that the machine does not replace the need for the
deep tine aeration and sanding of the greens, but does
buy time so that it may be done less often than is
needed presently.
Judy Barkley moved to request Mr. Jim Campbell to
solicit private funding up to or in excess of 50% of the
$22,000 total necessary for purchase of this piece of
equipment and that the Committee recommend approval of
the concept of funding the remainder of this purchase
through some method of lease/purchase arrangement. Jeff
Goodman seconded the motion and it carried unanimously.
Chipping Green Construction - Carl
Carl explained that before anything can be done to begin
construction for the new chipping green that the trees
in that area will need to be removed so the sunlight can
promote growth of the green. Ted Whiteman mentioned
that before anything is done on the site that the issue
of designated wetlands should be addressed by the Corp.
of Engineers so that, if necessary, mitigation efforts
could be considered. It was discussed that income from
any logging efforts may help in funding construction of
the chipping green construction.
New Business
Fee Schedule Review
The Committee discussed at length the reasons and
impacts of adjustments to the fee structure.
It was M/S/A to eliminate the Season Pass surcharge of
$5 during Weekend Play during July and August.
Season Pass Prices were then discussed with the
adjustment toward meeting the revenue goal which was
generated from the surcharge last year.
Rick VanNoy moved to recommend increasing Season Passes
to the
following schedule:
from $280 to $300 for pre -season pass
from $300 to $320 for regular season
from $145 to $155 - College Students
from $40 to $60 - Junior Pass
Judy Barkley seconded the motion and it carried
unanimously.
Rick VanNoy moved to recommend increasing the green fee
schedule as
follows:
Week day nine hole fee to $12 l�
Week day 18 hole fee to $20
Weekend/Holiday nine hole fee to $14
Weekend/Holiday 18 hole fee to $23
Judy Barkley seconded the motion and it carried with
four votes aye and one vote nay. Whiteman dissenting
Committee consensus was to recommend leaving trail fees
at the current $130/yr.
Committee consensus was to recommend increasing locker
rental to $20/yr.
M/S/A to recommend abo shing the discount pass (10 rnd)
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Due to inaction at the site and potential alternatives
being discussed, it was decided to defer to a Contract
Review for the property lease. The McCall City
Attorney was asked to look into the matter concerning
lease condition compliance. This matter will be placed
on the Committee Meeting Schedule for next month.
With no further business, the meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully sub 'tted,
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Ted Whiteman, Chairman
Outrageous attack
To the Editor:..
Many of you have read the latest outrageous
attack ontthe honesty and integrity of the golf
foundation and its members by the group calling
.1 itself "Golfers for Equal Treatment" lcd by Jim
Townley and Harvey Bergstrom. As you will recall,
'• this issue was first raised in 1994 in a newspaper
Letter to the Editor entitled "Golf Course Ques-
lions." Some examples of those questions are as
' .follows:ii tji"'s a ..:, :.: ; ,
l' %it 11' How much was raised for the McCall Golf
Course from,the activities of the foundation?
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Has We.foundation submitted a statement its
to: a) Names of,those people who donated tnoney?
and b) The exact,iunount? •
t ' ` 3. The names of those people who were given a
lifetime pass to the, McCall Golf Course and an
tt. affrdaviras to hoW, much money was given and
How was the money distributed?
5. Were any books of the foundation submitted to
i;the city for verification? •• ' •
t•r�tThe answers to those questions were supplied
shortly after they were asked and remain the same
,today as they were then. The foundation raised and
tnetnbers.donated over S450,000, all of which
` was. or , ill be :used to improve the McCall Golf
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Coarse: •
The narnes of the people who donated and the
amounts are. a matter of public record. The books of
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tters to
he- editor
the foundation were reviewed by a knowledgeable
person known to the "Golfers For Equal Treatment"
group and no discrepancies were discovered. 'Ilse
only unanswered question is "Why Do You Ask?"
Didn't these generous people donate enough money
to suit you? Are you suggesting that this group
donated money and then stole it back? What did you
hope to accomplish by making these kinds of alle-
gations, especially in the newspaper?
And now, a year later, just when we thought we
had put this ignorance behind us, we open our paper
to find the same people raising the same mean -
spirited questions. Enough is enough! We, the silent
majority, are embarrassed by this mindless assault
perpetrated by the small minority of people who
have not learned how to apply themselves to con-
structive endeavors but choose instead to spend
countless hours trying to find fault in everyone and
everything around them.
We say to the McCall Golf Foundation, thank
you for your contributions. Thank you for the new
clubhouse. Thank you for the new tee boxes. Dank
you for the cart paths. We really appreciate your
generosity and support. And if that means that once
or twice a year wentay have to accept a tee time that
is not exactly what we wanted that is just fine with
us.
And to the "Golfers for Equal Treatment" we say
congratulations! In one short year you have man-
aged to destroy an organization that took years to
build. As chairman of the projects committee of the
McCall Men's Golf Association; I have been asked
to plan and construct a new pitching and putting
area at the golf course. We are also trying to find a
way to buy a new aerator which would eliminate
much of the sand presently required on the greens
and greatly improve the quality of play.
These are projects that the foundation would
have been happy to finance in the past and there will
he more projects in the future. Now that you have
insulted and embarrassed the members of the foun-
dation to the point that they are disbanding, where
do you propose that we get the funds for these
projects? Maybe the "Golfers For Equal Treat-
ment" should check out the tee times available in
Riggins.
Jim and Jeanne Campbell
McCall
V1.1<LJLit) 11J 6U' LL, la.ii
To the Editor:
This is in reference to a Letter to the Editor
signed by Harvey Bergstrom, Jim Townley and
Homer Davies written on Jan. 20, 1994, asking
questions about the McCall Golf Course Founda-
tion. The "questions were posed about the funds
donated to the foundation and the incentives
• given in order to raise these funds for the building
of the new clubhouse and other improvements to
the golf course. The above signatory have subse-
quently offered their apologies for using this
method of attempting to solve their problems.
However, the subject matter of the "questions"
has recently been revived and the case was taken .
before the McCall City Council.
These "questions" were taken as insinuations
that something was wrong with the accounting
for the funds donated to the foundation. The
signatory of the letter assure me that all they
wanted was answers. However, many of the
donors resented their implications. if I had do-
nated a large sum purely for the benefit of the golf
course and was rewarded by insinuations rather
• than gratitude I am sure I would also have felt
resentment. • J
As president of the McCall Men's Golf Asso-
ciation I have made inquiries into the above and
am satisfied that all monies donated for the con-
struction of the clubhouse and other improve- .
ments to the golf course were used for those
purposes. Some were routed through the Enter-
prise Fund and therefore disbursed by the City of
McCall and the remainder were used to create the
foundation and subsequently disbursed from that
fund.
With' regard to "preferred tee times" which
were offered to those who donated $5,000 or
more for "lifetime privileges," although I may
not agree completely in principle with this sys-
tem, I am assured that the city fathers were
perfectly within their rights to grant these and
therefore I am perfectly willing to accept this.
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ii ,.,c�ea it IS illy understanding that sonic
people would like to see this perpetuated by either
selling or willing the rights to heirs. I cannot agree
with this. I think that the foundation has served the
purpose for which it was formed and when all of
its available funds have been used for their in-
tended purpose the foundation should be allowed ;
to die its natural death withal' the gratitude wecan
express for the clubhouse, new tees, cart paths and I t
everything else it has done so that we all may ;
enjoy this wonderful facility. ,
I feel that nothing can be gained by name .
calling which unfortunately is what things have
come to at this time. A better dissemination of
' appropriate information could have prevented
things from going this far.
I have discussed the above with as many mem-
bers of the MMGA as I could to date and feel that
I speak for a majority.
Harold W. (Harry) Simpson,' President
McCall Men's Golf Association
Efforts appreciated .:•
To the Editor.
After meeting with Harry Simpson, president
of the McCall Men's Golf Association, and read-
ing a draft of his letter to The Star -News, I want to
express a few thoughts.
We golfers in McCall have enjoyed the efforts
and donations of the city, the advisory board and
the foundation in silence. We have a beautiful
clubhouse that is not only for the golfer but also a
hub of social activities for all of McCall. We have
new tee boxes, better greens and paved cart paths.
I remember the dust -covered paths that were so
bad you didn't dare wear white on the course.
There are a few members of the Men's Golf
Association who have expressed their dissatisfac-
tion with the City of McCall, McCall Golf Course
Foundation and the Golf Course Advisory Board.
It is now time for the majority to come forward
and show support for the above mentioned groups.
It is time to say "Thank you, job well done" and to
express appreciation for handling a thankless task
so well.
Here's hoping we all have another great golf-
ing season in 1995.
Anita L Winkel, President
McCall Ladies' Golf Association .
McCall Ladies Golf Association
January 8, 1995
Board Member,
On February 1st there will be a Golf Course Advisory Board meeting. The one or two
members of the Men's Golf Association who have expressed their dissatisfaction with the City
of McCall, the Golf Course Advisory Board and the McCall Golf Foundation have been invited to
speak.
plan to attend this meeting and express the overall satisfaction of the Ladies
membership. It is time for our Association to say "Thank your", "Job well done", and " Our
appreciation for handling a thankless task".
In our last general meeting at Lardo's. I asked the ladies if there was anything they
would like to bring up to the Board for discussion. There was not. I felt very fortunate that this
season went smoothly.
1 hope that you are in agreement with the comments 1 will express at the February 1st
meeting. I hope to be able to tell the meeting that I have polled my Board and we are in
agreement in our support of the City of McCall, the Golf Course Advisory Board and the McCall
Golf Foundation.
Anita Winkel, President
MCCALL GOLF COURSE FOUNDATION. INC.
STATEMENT OF RECEIPTS, DISBURSEMENTS &
CASH BALANCE
August 1, 1989 through December 31, 1994
RECEIPTS:
Contributions, direct to City
Prior to 8/1/89
Contributions, to Foundation
From 8/1/89
Interest Income
Total Receipts
DISBURSEMENTS:
Club House
Cart Path
Driving Range
Furniture & Tables
Parking Lot
Kitchen Equipment
#10 Tee Box
#12 Tee Box
Legal Fees
Landscaping
Greens Nursery
Bank Charges
Fairway Markers
Non -Profit Fee
Office Supplies
Total Disbursements
$ 64,610.00
$391,624.24
7.103.99
$463,338.23
$214,408.18
68,385.77
65,489.05
34,829.43
25,599.73
18,433.33
6,783.28
8,397.25
2,514.31
2,214.75
1,785.13
693.27
461.25
300.00
50.00
$450.344.73
CASH BALANCE, DECEMBER 31, 1994 $ 12,993.50
Preferred Tee Times for Lifetime Season Passes
July - August,1994
July/August: 13 weekend or holiday days
No. of tee times between 7:00 am and 12:00 noon: 58
13 days x 58 tee times = 754 tee times
58 tee times x 4 players = 3,016 players
Recap of Lifetime Players during this Period:
104 of 754 tee times or 13%
167 of 3,016 players or 5%
Note: In reviewing July and August play, the assumption was made that the Lifetime Passes
reflected on the tee sheets had taken advantage of the Preferred Tee Time privilege.
Carl M. Hoss
PGA Professional
McCall Golf Course
February 1, 1995
McCall, Idaho