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Exhibit MSD 105 - Transcript of Public Hearing July 24, 2019 PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 1 1 2 3 4 5 MEETING OF THE RATE COMMISSION OF THE METROPOLITAN 6 ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT 7 2019 WASTEWATER RATE CHANGE PROCEEDING 8 JULY 24, 2019 9 10 2350 MARKET STREET, ROOM 109 11 ST. LOUIS, MO 63103 12 13 14 (Starting time of the meeting: 9:00 a.m.) 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Exhibit MSD 105 PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 RATE COMMISSION MEMBERS: 3 Ms. Mickey Croyle 4 Mr. Steve Mahfood 5 Mr. Tom Razki 6 Mr. Paul Brockmann 7 Mr. Leonard Toenjes 8 Mr. Russell Hawes 9 Mr. John Stein 10 Ms. Brandy Bowdry 11 Mr. Paul Ziegler (via telephone) 12 13 14 REPORTED BY: 15 Ms. Rebecca Brewer, RPR, CCR, CRR 16 Alaris Litigation Services 17 711 North Eleventh Street 18 St. Louis, Missouri, 63101 19 (314) 644-2191 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 3 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 MR. TOENJES: Item 3 on the agenda is our 3 2019 wastewater proceeding public hearing. My 4 name is Leonard Toenjes and I am chair of the 5 Rate Commission of Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer 6 District and will serve as chair of this 7 proceeding. We are live streaming this public 8 hearing today. If you have any questions, please 9 feel free to submit them online through the Rate 10 Commission Facebook page or Twitter feed. 11 The charter of the district was approved 12 by the voters of St. Louis and St. Louis County 13 at a special election on February 9th, 1954, 14 and amended at a general election on 15 November 7th, 2000. The amendment to the 16 charter plan established a rate commission to 17 review and make recommendations to the district 18 regarding changes in wastewater rates, stormwater 19 rates, and tax rates proposed by the district. 20 Upon receipt of a rate change notice from 21 the district, the Rate Commission is to recommend 22 to the Board of Trustees changes in a wastewater, 23 stormwater, or tax rate necessary to pay interest 24 in principal falling due on bonds issued to 25 finance assets of the district, the costs of PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 4 1 operation and maintenance, and such amounts as 2 may be required to cover emergencies and 3 anticipated delinquencies. Further, any change 4 in a rate recommended to the Board of Trustees by 5 the Rate Commission is to be accompanied by a 6 statement that the proposed rate change is 7 consistent with constitutional, statutory, or 8 common law as amended from time to time, enhances 9 the district's ability to provide adequate sewer 10 and drainage systems and facilities or related 11 services, is consistent with and not in violation 12 of any covenant or provision relating to any 13 outstanding bonds or indebtedness of the 14 district, does not impair the ability of the 15 district to comply with applicable federal or 16 state laws or regulations as amended from time to 17 time, and imposes a fair and reasonable burden on 18 all classes of ratepayers. 19 The Rate Commission received a rate change 20 notice from the district on March 4th, 2019. 21 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate 22 Commission, any person affected by the rate 23 change proposal had an opportunity to submit an 24 application to intervene in these proceedings. 25 An application to intervene was filed by PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 5 1 the Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers. Under 2 the district's charter plan, the Rate Commission 3 must, on or before July 2nd, 2019, issue its 4 report on the proposed rate change to the Board 5 of Trustees of the district, unless the Board of 6 Trustees, upon application of the Rate 7 Commission, extends the period of time for the 8 issuance of the Rate Commission report for an 9 additional 45-day period. At its meeting on 10 March 14th, 2019, the Board of Trustees approved 11 the Rate Commission's request for an extension. 12 The Rate Commission's report on the proposed rate 13 change must now be issued on or before 14 August 16th, 2019. Since March 4th, 2019, 15 the Rate Commission has received testimony from 16 district staff, the intervenor, and the rate 17 consultant. The parties have also engaged in 18 discovery requests. Technical conferences were 19 held on April 8th or 9th, 2019, May 9th, 20 2019, and June 20th, 2019, where the participants 21 and the Rate Commission were given an opportunity 22 to ask questions of those submitting testimony. 23 A pre-hearing conference for the purpose 24 of identifying any issues raised by the Rate 25 Commission, by the rate setting documents, and PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 6 1 the prepared testimony previously submitted was 2 conducted on the record on July 12th, 2019. 3 Each participant in the pre-hearing conference, 4 submitted on or before July 19, 2019, a 5 pre-hearing conference report describing the 6 issues raised by the rate setting documents and 7 the prepared testimony, together with a brief 8 description of such participant's position, if 9 any, on each issue and the rationale therefor. 10 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are 11 permitted to participate in on-the-record public 12 hearings conducted in several sessions beginning 13 on May 14th, 2019, and concluding today. 14 The Rate Commission's restated operational 15 rules provide that this public hearing session 16 will be held on the record to permit ratepayers 17 and taxpayers to testify regarding the proposed 18 rate change, permit management of the district 19 and/or board to testify regarding the proposed 20 rate change, receive into evidence any prepared 21 testimony previously submitted to the Rate 22 Commission, subject to any valid objections, 23 together with discovery responses and transcripts 24 of the technical conferences, permit the Rate 25 Commission members to ask questions regarding any PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 7 1 issue addressed by the prepared testimony or any 2 other element of the proposed rate change and 3 permit closing statements by the district, the 4 interveners, and legal counsel of the Rate 5 Commission. 6 Before proceeding to other aspects of this 7 public hearing, we will begin with the 8 presentation by the district and a public comment 9 period. Those wishing to speak should sign in on 10 the sheet provided at the front door and will be 11 called on in the order of the names listed 12 thereon. Each ratepayer should identify 13 themselves and any organizations represented by 14 such ratepayer. We will now begin with the 15 district's brief summary of the rate change 16 proposal. 17 After that, we will call on individuals 18 for public comment and receive any questions that 19 came in online. With that, let's begin with the 20 presentation from the district. Mr. Hoelscher? 21 MR. HOELSCHER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 22 On this presentation, I'm going to quickly give 23 an overview of MSD and then I'll go into general 24 details of the rate proposal that MSD staff has 25 presented in front of the Rate Commission. I'm PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 8 1 not going to spend a lot of time on this, but 2 just some information for everybody. MSD is a 3 government utility created under provisions of 4 the Missouri State Constitution. We have a 5 voter-approved charter that's an organic law of 6 MSD and we use it in cooperation with state 7 statute in order to run the district. The 8 district has a Board of Trustees consisting of 9 six members, three of those are appointed by the 10 mayor of the City of St. Louis, three of those 11 are appointed by the county executive of St. 12 Louis County. 13 There's a lot of data on this slide 14 regarding statistics about MSD and the one thing 15 I want to point out is MSD is two utilities. We 16 are a wastewater utility and we are a stormwater 17 utility. Two completely separate operations. 18 Two completely different funding sources that 19 cannot be mixed. We're here today to talk about 20 the wastewater part of the utility. That's what 21 the rate proposal is addressing. Let's go into 22 the wastewater rates. 23 MSD's wastewater proposal is for a 24 four-year period for fiscal year -- fiscal year 25 2021 through fiscal year 2024. It covers our PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 9 1 debt service. It covers our operational 2 maintenance. It also covers our capital program. 3 Very quickly, the debt service that MSD is 4 proposing for both past debt and proposed debt is 5 just under 25 percent of the total rate. 6 Operations and maintenance is just slightly over 7 25 percent of the rate being proposed. Over 8 50 percent of the rate is being used in the 9 capital improvement replacement program, consists 10 of a 1.6 billion dollar program over the next 11 four years consisting of more than 300 different 12 projects, in order to meet regulatory 13 requirements whether those are from the consent 14 decree or from state or federal environmental 15 regulations. 16 Part of MSD's proposal is that MSD is 17 asking the public to decide whether or not to 18 authorize MSD to sell -- to receive an additional 19 $500 million worth of bonding authority in order 20 to manage rates into an affordable fashion. Some 21 of the things that will be accomplished with this 22 capital improvement program will eliminate 50 23 more overflow from wastewater system. These are 24 pipes or overflows for manholes that go in local 25 creeks and streams as well as eliminate basement PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 10 1 backups from the sanitary system. We'll build 60 2 new miles of wastewater sewers, inspect 64,000 3 manholes. Part of our consent degree and part of 4 our cost is also maintaining the existing system, 5 make sure it operates functionally and as 6 efficiently as possibly can. Within this is the 7 replacement of the incinerators at the Bissell & 8 Lemay treatment plan in order to bring it up to 9 the most recent technology available and, 10 finally, building a tunnel from the Fenton 11 treatment plant to the lower Meramec treatment 12 plant. Two things will eliminate the Fenton 13 treatment plant if it's discharged into the 14 Meramec River, will also help us eliminate 15 overflows that are located along the watershed 16 that's within the lower Meramec area. So the key 17 issues that were considered in the rate proposal 18 that staff put together. One is our charter 19 requirements. I'm not going to go over those 20 now, but there's five requirements that staff was 21 required to follow in putting this rate proposal 22 together. The same five factors the Rate 23 Commission will use in evaluating a proposal and 24 the same five factors that MSD's Board of 25 Trustees will use in evaluating the Rate PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 11 1 Commission recommendations. Probably one of 2 them -- there are four that, for instance, we 3 have to cover bond debt coverage. We have to 4 make sure we meet regulations. Probably the most 5 important one is the proposed rate fare to all 6 ratepayers. There will be a decision regarding 7 bonding or cash. 8 If you take a look at our rate proposal on 9 the website, I'll go over the impacts of these 10 two options. MSD cannot just decide to sell 11 bonds in order to provide debt. It has to go to 12 ratepayers. Therefore, as we've done in the past 13 with our proposal, we will offer an option in 14 which, assuming the ratepayers decide to allow 15 additional bonding authority, we'll also have 16 another option that we're seeking approval for, 17 that if no additional bonding authority is 18 offered, we have a different set of rates that 19 will cover that contingency. Affordability is 20 one of the things that we really pay attention 21 to. We've been conscious of that during this 22 whole time as we execute the consent decree that 23 resulted from a lawsuit from the Department of 24 Justice. MSD is under pressure from the 25 Department of Justice, just like over 200 other PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 12 1 cities throughout the United States. So 2 affordability is really important. And, again, 3 as is equitability. Not only do we make sure 4 things are affordable, we need to make sure 5 that -- we need to make sure that they're 6 equitable for everybody. 7 There's some underlying rate assumptions 8 you'll see -- as you would see in any rate case. 9 One, we're making an assumption of customer 10 growth. We're making assumptions on how much 11 water is used. MSD's rates are not based on how 12 much wastewater gets to us but they're based on 13 the amount of potable water usage that is 14 reported to us by the various water supply 15 authorities. We make some estimates based on 16 inflation, what we anticipate inflation to be. 17 And there is consent decree compliance. MSD has 18 met every one of its consent decree requirements, 19 has done so under the budget, on time, and plans 20 to continue that operation. Finally, we maintain 21 the customer assistance program for low income 22 individuals. That programs allows those 23 individuals to pay one half of the rates which 24 you'll see today. We plan on continuing that 25 program. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 13 1 So, next is what we see in the rate 2 proposal. And this is kind of the guts of the 3 presentation; what is the impact on the 4 customers. We're going to go over what the 5 typical bills will be over the next four years. 6 This is typical. It will not be for everybody. 7 If somebody wants to do a comparison, the 8 percentages here are accurate, but everybody's -- 9 everybody's bill will be different. These are 10 the typical bills. If a resident would like to 11 use the bill they receive in August 2020, they 12 can apply these percentages and that will be the 13 impact on the wastewater bills in the future. 14 So -- and the second item is what do we bill on. 15 So, we have two different ways of measuring 16 usage. And, again, the information comes from 17 the water providers. If you are in the county 18 and you're served by Missouri American Water, MSD 19 receives water usage from Missouri American 20 Water. We use the winter period in order to 21 determine what -- in order to determine what 22 amount of water goes down the sewer system. It's 23 December, January, and February. We don't want 24 to collect data on filling swimming pools, 25 watering yards, or cleaning cars. That does not PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 14 1 go down our wastewater system, therefore we use 2 the winter quarter. In the city, the city water 3 uses the attributes of homes as the basis for the 4 water billing. MSD uses that same data in 5 estimating how much water goes down the 6 wastewater system and needs to be treated. So, 7 for the details, if you look at the top line, the 8 top line is assuming the ratepayers approve an 9 additional $500 billion in bonding authority for 10 MSD. Again, starting from your August 2020 bill, 11 our typical customers will be paying $55.57 cents 12 per month. That will be starting in August 2020. 13 The proposal is the following rate increases with 14 bonding. The following year, MSD's proposal is a 15 1.9 percent increase in the average monthly cost, 16 which would increase the average -- the average 17 monthly bill for the typical customer to $56.63. 18 The next year, 3.8 percent increase. So, in our 19 fiscal 2022, that would mean a monthly cost for 20 the typical customer, $58.78. Fiscal year '23, 21 again, the 3.8 percent increase, resulting in a 22 monthly bill for a typical customer is $61.02. 23 And in fiscal '24, a 3.8 percent increase, 24 resulting in a typical bill of $63.36. Again, 25 these are for typical customers. They may not PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 15 1 reflect what somebody is paying now. However, 2 those percentage increases are accurate and you 3 can use your August 2020 bill as a starting point 4 for what could happen in the future. The second 5 line, again, is assuming MSD is not authorized to 6 sell an additional $500 million worth of debt. 7 This is called Pay Go. We will just simply use 8 the cash you provide us in order to do the 9 program. It's going to require more cash 10 upfront, similar to buying a car or buying a 11 house. If you pay cash for a car, you pay a lot 12 now, and you're done. If you borrow money, a lot 13 less impact now, but you pay over a longer 14 period. So, assuming that the voters decide not 15 to authorize any additional bonding, the 16 increases in fiscal '21 we'll see is the same 17 1.9 percent. We do that now with most of our 18 rate proposals, making sure both options have the 19 same increase in the first year to give us 20 flexibility for a date to vote on additional 21 bonding authority. After that, you'll see 22 increases of 15.1 percent in fiscal year 2022, 23 17.1 percent in fiscal year 2023, and 24 13.1 percent in fiscal 2024, resulting in fiscal 25 2024 with a typical customer, under no bonds, a PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 16 1 monthly rate for the typical customer of $86.29 2 per month. 3 I want to review some of the cost savings 4 from the previous four-year rate cycle that are 5 impacting some of the rates that you see in the 6 proposal for the next four years. One is the 7 consent decree amendment. There was a change in 8 regulations having to do with MSD's handling of 9 biosolids and in its incinerator project I 10 mentioned earlier. That change allowed us to go 11 back to EPA and have a discussion regarding that 12 impact on our affordability numbers. The result 13 of that was that the EPA agreed to allow us to 14 extend our consent decree by five years. Instead 15 of being done in 2034, it can now be done in 16 2039. That has significant impact in helping us 17 control rate increases for not just four years, 18 but the years following now. Operation and 19 maintenance expenses were $43 million, or five 20 percent less than our anticipated expenditures. 21 Most of those improvements came from the use of 22 technology. An example would be how we 23 investigate and clean our sewers. In the past, 24 it consisted of a CCTV camera and four-man crew 25 running through and taking a look at our sewers PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 17 1 on a regular schedule. We've gone to new 2 technology that allows us to use an ultrasonic 3 wave technology. We simply put a transmitter on 4 one manhole and receive it on the other and lets 5 us determine how open that pipe is. That's an 6 example of a sustainable savings, so not only did 7 we see that savings in the previous four years, 8 but those savings in operational costs are also 9 reflected in our requests for fiscal years '21 10 through '24. 11 Capital program, we spent seven percent 12 less than what we had anticipated. About 13 $110 million. Some of that comes from the really 14 good bids that we're getting compared to the rest 15 of the industry. Some of that is the fact that 16 we have an ongoing program. A lot of it has to 17 do with a lot of communications and forward 18 thinking that our staff has working with those 19 who provide that kind of service to us. That 20 $110 million, hopefully, is repeatable. We're 21 constantly looking at how we can more cost 22 effectively do our capital work. The extension 23 of the consent decree is an example of that. 24 We'll continue to do that. Hopefully see more 25 savings in the future. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 18 1 Finally, financing costs. The costs of 2 financing of previous debt came in $27 million 3 less than what we thought the expenses were going 4 to be over the previous four years. That's the 5 case of active management of our debt by both our 6 secretary treasurer and the director of finance, 7 whether that's refinancing current debt whenever 8 there's an opportunity to give a lower interest 9 rate or looking at all kinds of options such as 10 WIFIA loans through the federal government. We 11 were one of the first cities in the United States 12 that qualified for a WIFIA loan. Extensive use 13 of the state SOS, which has a 70 percent subsidy 14 interest cost per loans, staff has done a very 15 good job, and hopefully those are repeatable next 16 year and some changes in the tax code don't give 17 us as many options as we had the previous four 18 years, but we'll keep looking for ways to be cost 19 effective there. And I think what I want to give 20 you is what happens to these savings. MSD is a 21 municipal entity. We don't give bonuses. We 22 don't have stockholders who eat dividends. All 23 of those savings are the first pot of money 24 that's used in order to control rates for the 25 next four years. That's what we do every four PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 19 1 years. And so, fortunately, and some of these 2 rates are one timers, hopefully we can repeat 3 them, see the benefit of that, and the 4 sustainable portion, you'll see not just the 5 money that we saved the previous four years, 6 helping keep rates down, but you'll also see us 7 using those methodologies in order to keep our 8 operations as cost effectively as possible in the 9 next four years. 10 As far as the timeline, MSD submitted its 11 rate proposal and testimony to the Rate 12 Commission on March 4th, 2019. At that time, 13 staff also presented staff's rate proposal to our 14 Board of Trustees. The Rate Commission is 15 supposed to complete their process and make a 16 recommendation to our Board of Trustees by 17 August 16th, 2019. The Board of Trustees will 18 take a look at those recommendations and they 19 will compare them against again those five 20 factors I mentioned previously and they will make 21 a decision as to how to move forward. Two things 22 can happen. If the decision is to go forward 23 with looking at the bonding scenario, the board 24 will also, at that time, decide to approve an 25 ordinance that allows voters to decide whether or PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 20 1 not $500 million in additional bonding authority 2 is appropriate or not. Their potential vote 3 date's in spring 2020, spring 2021, somewhere in 4 that gap. We'll try to find the place that will 5 accomplish two things; one, make sure we can get 6 a message to everybody so they understand that if 7 they vote yes, here's the impact, they vote no, 8 this is the impact. Will also try to find a 9 place where we can be as cost effective as we can 10 in holding the election. You will find -- 11 whatever the results of this rate proposal is, 12 you'll find those impacts will first hit your 13 bill in August 2020. 14 Again, Rate Commission public hearings, if 15 you take a look at, we are at the last one on 16 this list. This is the final public hearing that 17 the Rate Commission is holding for this process. 18 Mr. Chairman, that's the end of MSD's 19 presentation. Thank you very much. 20 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. 21 Are there any members of the public who are 22 present who wish to comment? 23 The sign-in sheet is available. Please 24 sign in and proceed to the microphone. We have 25 Laura -- I'm sorry, Elaine Laura. Elaine? Thank PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 21 1 you so much for being here today. 2 MS. LAURA: You're welcome. Hello? 3 First, I must say thank you to MSD for doing a 4 outstanding job of highlighting the needs of our 5 community. I really appreciate it. It gives me 6 hope. I'd like to talk about two features that 7 were just presented; affordability and equity. 8 It was stated that the city uses -- uses how 9 large or the number of bedrooms, water closets, 10 tubs, to determine your sewer bill. We were -- 11 the information reviewed a typical, and I must 12 assume, metered home. I believe that we're not 13 looking at the bigger picture. As a member of 14 the O'Fallon Community Developing Organization, I 15 think we're not realizing that 46 percent of the 16 people in that community are living below the 17 poverty line. So, when we talk about a typical 18 metered sewer bill, we're forgetting a typical 19 unmetered sewer bill. And I have a collection of 20 sewer bills for that area that illustrates that 21 we're doing as much as we can to make our 22 community, our greater metropolitan area, vital. 23 Typical bill at this point for a small, one-water 24 closet, $62.49. So, if I look at the projection, 25 that bill would grow to over $100. One utility. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 22 1 Over $100 for an area where 46 percent are living 2 under the poverty level. I was just wondering, I 3 think we need to look in terms of a different 4 rate for city dwellers. Since it's not based 5 upon actual water usage, it should be billed at a 6 different rate than for metered homes. The base 7 charge, instead of being 23.83 for everyone, 8 where those who are unmetered should be lower. 9 I've been living in the same place for 30 odd 10 years. It was still 30 years ago and I think it 11 was unfavored for the city to have no meter and I 12 think that was discriminatory. It was not 13 equitable. The base charge for the number of 14 bathrooms, water closets, should be reduced for 15 city dwellers. Keep up the good work. 16 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Elaine. I 17 appreciate that comment. And we will certainly 18 take that into account in our deliberations 19 moving forward. I really appreciate that. Thank 20 you. Next public comment, John Coffman. 21 MR. COFFMAN: That's right. Good morning 22 MSD Board Rate Commission. My name's John 23 Coffman. I'm an attorney for the Consumers 24 Council of Missouri. And we, among other things, 25 spent a lot of our time looking at utility rates PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 23 1 and advocating for affordability, with an 2 increasing focus on lower income or vulnerable 3 customers and, first of all, I'd like to 4 compliment MSD for having a good number of public 5 hearings and going throughout the service 6 territory and for having this very open process. 7 And, also, I wanted to praise MSD for the cost 8 savings that they have found over the last few 9 years. It has been a very difficult four years 10 for most sewer customers. I think that in our 11 communication with folks there is a great deal of 12 rate shock for the people that are recovering 13 from a lot of frustration and angst over how 14 quickly the rates have increased. I don't think 15 any other utility service in this area has gone 16 up as quickly or as dramatically. And we 17 understand, certainly, this rate that the consent 18 decree applied, but there is very frustrated 19 basic wastewater customers out there and we have 20 looked -- we read all the information that has 21 been supplied to the Rate Commission and we 22 would -- I mean, we testified before, we would 23 like to, again, I urge you to put affordability 24 at the foremost of all the rate conversations you 25 have as you look to this information. We support PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 24 1 the downward adjustments that have been 2 recommended by the Missouri Industrial Energy 3 consumers and would adhere to recognize that you 4 do have the discretion -- the Rate Commission has 5 a range of options. We understand that they're 6 willing to be a rate increase over the next four 7 years, but doesn't necessarily have to be as much 8 as has been proposed, so we would urge you to 9 look at those reductions and do your very best to 10 not recommend an increase any higher that it 11 needs to be. There are folks in the community 12 that really don't have another dollar in their 13 monthly budget to pay for this. This is an 14 essential service. They have no other choice for 15 it and it affects everyone, including -- 16 including those that are of the lowest means in 17 our community. We appreciate the customer 18 assistance program that has been done. We would 19 like to work with MSD to publicize that and to 20 promote that and make sure that folks get it, but 21 we also recognize that not everyone will be able 22 to find their way to that customer assistance 23 program and not everyone knows how to do that or 24 will be able to do it and there are also folks 25 who may not quite apply for that who are PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 25 1 struggling. We also have done what we can to 2 encourage folks to provide their comments through 3 this public process. And we have a few more 4 comments that we'd like to submit to the record. 5 We have 30 -- 30 more individuals that wanted to 6 comment and if I could submit this to the record. 7 MR. TOENJES: We'll take those. 8 MR. COFFMAN: I'd like to add those to the 9 other comments we collected around the 10 communities. We did not tell the individuals -- 11 we told them about this process, and there's 30 12 more letters there, one of them is even in favor 13 of the rate increase, so these are not form 14 letters that we necessarily put together. These 15 are actual unique individual comments on the rate 16 increase. I think that about covers what I would 17 say. But I'm going to end with one more comment. 18 To the degree that MSD can reduce the size of 19 this rate increase for the next four years, I 20 think that will engender a lot of goodwill and 21 will help with the public support for the bond 22 issues. We are in support of the bond issuance 23 but I think sometimes members of the public are 24 frustrated if the bond issuance is proposed on 25 the ballot as sort of a threat, like either you PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 26 1 propose this or we're going to hit you with a 2 really big rate increase. I think the public 3 responds better to a message that says we've done 4 everything we can to tighten our belt. We 5 continue to find cost savings and look what we 6 have done to keep the rate increase down. I 7 think that kind of positive message would help 8 the most as we're going towards the bond issuance 9 on the ballot. That's all that I have. 10 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Coffman. 11 Thanks very much. We'll certainly distribute 12 those letters and make them part of the record 13 for all the rate commissioners. Any other 14 members of the public who wish to comment at this 15 time? 16 Hearing none, we will go to our online 17 questions. Andy, if you could facilitate that, 18 and we'll steer appropriately. 19 MR. LIKES: Absolutely. Mr. Chairman, we 20 do have a few question this morning on Facebook. 21 I do want to remind our viewers at home, if you 22 have a question of any of the proceedings today, 23 please submit it either on Facebook, on our MSD 24 Rate Commission page, or on our Twitter, in the 25 MSD Twitter feed. I'll begin with Joyce PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 27 1 Mohammed. My sewer bill is already over $50 a 2 month and you raised my rates just a few years 3 ago. Not even five years ago. Couldn't the 4 leadership take a pay cut? 5 MR. TOENJES: I'll answer that one and 6 then I will throw it to Mr. Hoelscher. The Rate 7 Commission takes all the different factors into 8 consideration that we mentioned earlier and the 9 compensation for the staff is set by the trustees 10 of the district, based on their overview of the 11 overall situation. We'll certainly, I would 12 think, forward that concern to the trustees. And 13 the trustees obviously have the ability to review 14 all of our findings, so the compensation of the 15 staff, we will, certainly, in all these 16 proceedings, make sure that there is a fair and 17 reasonable fee and a fair and reasonable 18 compensation for MSD staff. Mr. Hoelscher, do 19 you have anything to add? 20 MR. HOELSCHER: I think the only thing I'd 21 add, kind of building on the chairman's comments, 22 the rates that we pay, the salaries we pay to our 23 individual employees, we do a study every ten 24 years to determine what the market value is on 25 specific jobs. I will tell you and I will speak PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 28 1 just to the senior management at MSD, our current 2 salary structure is at or slightly below what 3 those market rates are. This is reviewed. Our 4 Board of Trustees are not the only ones that can 5 set salaries, except for myself and the secretary 6 treasurer, we also have the Civil Service 7 Commission who needs to review any proposed rate 8 structure, any proposed salary structure moving 9 forward. So, there are two sets of reviews here. 10 One is by your civil service commission who then 11 makes a recommendation to the Board of Trustees, 12 and then our Board of Trustees will act on what 13 those salaries are. But I will tell you that we 14 are regularly studying those. We want to pay a 15 fair rate to everybody. Again, I would offer, 16 not knowing if this is part of the comments, 17 there are no bonuses, there is no extra pay, we 18 are a municipal government, we aren't like some 19 of the other utilities you have. So there aren't 20 any bonuses and we pretty religiously stick to 21 those pay structures and make sure we pay our 22 folks fairly and don't overpay them. 23 MR. TOENJES: There are -- Mr. Hoelscher, 24 aren't there a also a significant number of 25 district staff who are part of Collective PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 29 1 Bargaining Units? 2 MR. HOELSCHER: Good point, Mr. Chairman. 3 So two-thirds of MSD staff are also members of 4 unions, so those folks who are union eligible, 5 there's actually a third step. We will do those 6 studies, and prior to going to the rate -- to the 7 Civil Service Commission, those who have 8 negotiating bodies, we actually complete those 9 negotiations prior to going to the Civil Service 10 Commission and those same kind of negotiations 11 will have an impact on what the Board of Trustees 12 will decide what the salaries will be for the 13 individual employees. 14 MR. TOENJES: Thank you. And thanks for 15 the question, Andy. 16 MR. LIKES: This is from Robert in Affton. 17 Rates have already tripled. They're coming back 18 for more. More flooding, more sewer backups, 19 less service. Sounds like a raise is in order. 20 Can we tighten our belt and make do like everyone 21 else does? 22 MR. TOENJES: Any Rate Commissioners care 23 to comment on that particular question? I would 24 say that I guess my response would be that, in 25 large part, the rates and the work that is being PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 30 1 done by the district are driven by consent decree 2 that was entered into with the District Coalition 3 for the Environment and the Environmental 4 Protection Agency. There are requirements that 5 have to be met and construction and improvements 6 to the system that need to be made. The sewer 7 overflow issue, in terms of flooding, was 8 mentioned in the question. There was a valid 9 issue last year, or earlier this year, I don't 10 remember, concerning stormwater rates. The 11 public voted not to increase the stormwater 12 rates. So the work that is being proposed and as 13 part of this rate case does not apply to 14 stormwater and will not address the flooding that 15 was addressed in that question. The work that is 16 contemplated as part of this rate case all has to 17 do with the consent decree work and the work 18 that's required as part of that settlement. I 19 will say that the district has been proactive in 20 regularly looking at that agreement and, in fact, 21 this particular rate case includes an extension 22 of that timeline to complete that work. So there 23 is, in fact, a lesser rate now to elongate the 24 time over which that work needs to be complete. 25 Any other rate commissioners care to comment? PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 31 1 Yes, Mr. Ratzki? 2 MR. RATZKI: In the testimony that we 3 heard from the district in each of the areas of 4 operation and maintenance and the capital 5 program, they have experienced cost savings. We 6 recognize that. We looked at it. I think, in 7 Brian's comments this morning, he indicated that 8 future cost savings will also be -- those cost 9 savings were rolled into this rate increase 10 request and any future cost savings will be also 11 looked at to be rolled into making the rates 12 lower, so we are looking at them tightening their 13 belt and reducing costs and their operations and 14 the capital program and hope that continues. 15 MR. TOENJES: Any of the other rate 16 commissioners have any additional comments? 17 Andy, please proceed. 18 MR. LIKES: We have another question along 19 those lines. This is from Nick from Mound City. 20 Efficiency as a new technology should bring 21 prices down, not up. Haven't we paid for this 22 infrastructure many times over? 23 MR. TOENJES: I will say that the 24 infrastructure that's in place has been paid for 25 once and in many instances it was paid for 40, PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 32 1 50, or 60 years ago. And in many instances, 2 unfortunately, because of the wear and tear on 3 the system and the expansion of the system and 4 the new environmental requirements, does need to 5 be upgraded. The system that was put in 60 years 6 ago certainly does not meet the regulatory 7 environment of today. And I think that is 8 required upgrades. Certainly, I think the 9 district is taking advantage of technology. I 10 think, especially in the disposal and 11 incineration world, I think there's a lot of 12 things that have gone on there to take advantage 13 of the technology. 14 Any particular technology issues you care 15 to comment on, Mr. Hoelscher? 16 MR. HOELSCHER: I guess I will point out, 17 you mentioned incinerators and I did point out, 18 part of the consent decree is how we regularly 19 inspect and clean sewers. I mentioned the 20 technology there. We went from large trucks with 21 four-man crews to a pickup truck with two-man 22 crews, get twice as much done per day. Without 23 going into any details, we have a lot of plants 24 that are almost fully automated and been a huge 25 reduction. It's not a recent -- a recent thing PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 33 1 that's happened. We did a lot of the automation 2 starting in the late '90s and through the 2000s 3 and most of that's in place. So we're already 4 seeing the benefits of those. And we're looking 5 at new technologies all the time. There's an 6 option that comes by my door, my director's door, 7 once a month, and we consider it and some cases 8 we even do pilots to see if there's ways we can 9 save additional funds. 10 MR. TOENJES: Any other rate commissioners 11 care to comment on the question? 12 Thank you, Andy. 13 MR. LIKES: We have another question about 14 the water bills. The question is: Don't raise 15 our fees, my water bill has already doubled. 16 Won't that make my MSD bill go up as well? 17 That's from Diane in St. Louis. 18 MR. TOENJES: Is that in St. Louis City? 19 MR. LIKES: It just says St. Louis. 20 MR. TOENJES: St. Louis. I think that may 21 go back to the comment that was made earlier 22 depending on location and the time that the water 23 bill was measured, if the -- please correct me 24 here -- but the MSD rates are based on water 25 usage during the non-peak water usage times. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 34 1 That, as he said earlier, swimming pools and 2 sprinklers are not included. It certainly is 3 tied to the -- to the -- not so much the cost of 4 the water bill, but the number of gallons that 5 are consumed as part of the system. It's based 6 on the number of gallons that entered the system. 7 So, if the water rates change, it's not directly 8 proportional to the sewer rates. It's based on 9 the quantity of water that enters the system, not 10 on the cost of that water. 11 Any other comments, Andy? Please proceed. 12 MR. LIKES: We have several more but I do 13 want to tell the folks at home, if you have a 14 comment, if you just joined us, please submit 15 those comments on Facebook on the MSD Rate 16 Commission page or on Twitter. We'll be checking 17 those and we'll be updating those as they come 18 in. 19 We have a question from Kim, she does not 20 give her location, but she says, It's easy, spend 21 more wisely, no rate hike, MSD has already tried 22 raising the rates twice a year. 23 MR. TOENJES: Is that a question or a 24 comment? 25 MR. LIKES: It seems to be more of a PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 35 1 comment than a question, but it might be 2 referring to what Mr. Hoelscher was talking 3 earlier about the wastewater and the stormwater 4 side of things and might be worth clarifying a 5 little bit. 6 MR. TOENJES: Thank you. Yes. As was 7 stated, it is two separate houses within the MSD 8 world. The stormwater was looked at last year by 9 this Rate Commission in an attempt to do some 10 things to alleviate some of the flooding and I 11 think we've seen, over the last couple of months, 12 the public decided they did not care to invest in 13 that and move in that direction. In the instance 14 of the wastewater, the public, in essence, has 15 decided, through the various governmental 16 agencies that represent them, that this is work 17 that needs to be done and costs that need to be 18 incurred to protect the health of the community. 19 MR. LIKES: Okay. We have another 20 comment. This is from Vicky. She does not give 21 her location as well. Simply says, No, my MSD 22 bill is already three times my water bill as it 23 is. No. No more rate increases. 24 MR. TOENJES: America's a great place and 25 Vicky may vote when it hits the ballot. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 36 1 MR. LIKES: You know, that's another 2 question that we have heard at a number of 3 meetings that we've had. Mr. Hoelscher mentioned 4 that this is the sixth of the meetings that we've 5 had. One of the questions that we heard over and 6 over is is my rate going up, either way? If I 7 vote yes, is it going up? If I vote no, is it 8 going up? That might be worth clarifying as 9 well. 10 MR. TOENJES: Yes, the rate is going up 11 under either circumstance. And that has to do 12 with, as I said earlier, the consent decree work. 13 This is a requirement by the federal government. 14 If the rates do not go up -- running through that 15 scenario, if the rates do not go up, the work 16 does not get accomplished, the EPA or MSD falls 17 out of compliance with the consent decree. At 18 that point, as I think has happened in some other 19 communities, the federal government can come in 20 and impose a rate that they deem to be sufficient 21 to complete the work that would bring the 22 district back into compliance. So, as I see this 23 in the big picture, this is a case of self rule 24 that the voters in the St. Louis community have 25 the choice of whether they want to -- there's PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 37 1 really three options; to pay for this work that 2 the federal government has decided needs to be 3 done. The first is to pay for it all upfront, 4 which is the highest rate that's out there in 5 this rate proposal. The second option is to 6 incur some debt and use bonding and keep the 7 rates lower but still increase. The third 8 option, which the trustees have always, is to not 9 increase the rates, run the risk of not 10 completing the work, and hope and see what the 11 federal government decides to do in terms of 12 imposition of a rate or imposition of something 13 on the public to complete the work that they said 14 needs to be done. So the answer is yes. 15 MR. LIKES: Another question that we had 16 two meetings ago at the location in Maryland 17 Heights; can I conserve water and lower my MSD 18 rates if they're going up? 19 MR. TOENJES: The answer is yes, you can 20 conserve water during the periods that water 21 consumption is measured, which is from -- from 22 December 1st through -- okay. The entire month 23 of December, the entire month of January, the 24 entire month of February. Those are the three 25 months when water usage is measured and lower PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 38 1 water consumption during those three months 2 would, in fact, lower the rate that MSD uses to 3 do the calculations for metered users. And I -- 4 as far as folks who are on the number of 5 appliances within their home, I would have to ask 6 Mr. Hoelscher if there's any option there. I 7 don't think water consumption makes any 8 difference in a facility that is in the city. 9 MR. HOELSCHER: Correct. In an unmetered 10 site, if you use more water than is indicated by 11 the attributes, then you are not billed more. If 12 you use less water, you are not billed less. You 13 are based on the attributes, again, not MSD's 14 system. This is the water company system to 15 determining potable water usage. 16 MR. TOENJES: Mr. Hoelscher, can you just 17 take a minute and briefly go over the history of 18 why some of the district's customers are metered 19 and why some are unmetered? 20 MR. HOELSCHER: Yeah, I can. Again, the 21 history's pretty simple and it's not unique to 22 St. Louis. Wastewater utilities, there's two 23 industry standard ways, while there's other 24 variations of this, two industry standard ways to 25 determine a wastewater bill. One is by metering PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 39 1 actual water usage or using that data that comes 2 from the water provider. And with the assumption 3 that that is a good representation of, especially 4 used during the winter period, that's a good 5 representation of what then would go down the 6 wastewater drain. Typical example. In those 7 areas, and St. Louis is not unique to this, they 8 use other methodologies. We're talking about the 9 water providers, not MSD, the water providers use 10 other methodologies to determine what -- how to 11 assign those bills. Usually it's an attribute 12 type method. Again, it's counting bathrooms. 13 It's counting water closets. It's counting tubs. 14 The idea is for the water companies to make a 15 good estimate as to what would be reflective of 16 water usage and, for MSD's purposes, it is 17 also -- those attributes used are reflective of 18 what would be a winter usage, all internal uses, 19 so they don't charge more -- for instance, city 20 water doesn't charge more if you have a pool. 21 That's not something that they do. So that's a 22 pretty industry standard method of doing it. 23 MSD, through litigation in setting this process 24 up, kind of post Hancock, the methodology we use 25 now is one that has been reviewed and approved by PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 40 1 the Missouri Supreme Court and that's the 2 methodology we're using, which is very similar to 3 what's done throughout the country. 4 MR. TOENJES: Can you use information from 5 the Missouri American Water and from the City 6 Water Division to -- those are your inputs 7 into -- 8 MR. HOELSCHER: Those are the inputs, as 9 well I believe Kirkwood's distribution system, I 10 think the City of Kirkwood also has a 11 distribution system where we use the data from 12 them. As a matter of fact, we purchase the water 13 usage data from those areas and we use that 14 information. The ability to purchase that water 15 data is First Aid statute. 16 MR. TOENJES: And those two municipalities 17 have chosen to use non-metered water systems? 18 MR. LIKES: They use metered. The 19 American Water in Kirkwood use metered. The City 20 of St. Louis currently, by their decision, 21 decided to use an unmetered method in order to 22 measure the usage for residential customers. 23 They do meter commercial. And we have a rate 24 that we charge in the city for commercial 25 customers, based on the amount of usage that's PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 41 1 reported to us from the water company. 2 MR. TOENJES: Thank you. Andy? 3 MR. LIKES: Great. Just remind everybody, 4 if they have questions at home, please submit 5 them on Facebook or Twitter. If you have 6 questions here in the room, and I see a couple 7 more people that have questions, we're going to 8 circulate a sign-in sheet. Please sign in and 9 the chairman will recognize you when you have 10 that question or that sign-in is done. 11 I do have another question on Facebook, 12 Mr. Chairman. They do this process every few 13 years. They've raised rates, promising they'll 14 give it back when they raise their billions of 15 dollars, and then they don't. Does MSD give back 16 to the community? This is from Cynthia. 17 MR. TOENJES: I've been on the Rate 18 Commission since its inception and I would 19 certainly refer to any of the other rate 20 commissioners on this. I honestly don't recall 21 any discussion during these rate hearings of a 22 giveback or rebate to any of the customers. 23 MR. LIKES: Okay. I do remember at one of 24 our meetings, I believe it was at Maryland 25 Heights, may have been at UMSL, Mr. Hoelscher PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 42 1 mentioned programs that can help customers who 2 need assistance. This question may have been 3 referring to that too. Does MSD contribute to 4 those assistance programs? 5 MR. TOENJES: No, the customer assistance 6 program that was mentioned by Mr. Coffman has 7 been part of the district's operations, I think, 8 for -- for many years that people who have 9 concerns about affordability of the fees or 10 charges from MSD can come to the district or call 11 the district and go through a process to apply 12 for the customer assistance program and gain 13 relief from a portion of their bill. I know that 14 that's part of the thing that we take into 15 consideration as part of the rate case hearing, 16 as looking at that affordable index or looking at 17 how many folks may need to take advantage of that 18 customer assistance program and, in fact, the 19 lesser rates that are paid by folks as part of 20 that customer assistance program are included in 21 our overall projections of revenues for the 22 district. 23 Mr. Hoelscher, would you take a minute and 24 talk about the process to take advantage of the 25 customer assistance program? PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 43 1 MR. HOELSCHER: Sure. I'll even expand a 2 little more on some of the options. So, again, 3 MSD's program's been in place for quite a while. 4 In the last five, six, seven years, we've put a 5 lot of effort in expanding where the access is to 6 that system. It used to be call MSD, we'll help 7 you fill out the paperwork, and we'll see if 8 you're eligible. And I'll give credit to our 9 director of finance, Marion Gee, has been very 10 creative in how we get the word out. I guess the 11 simplest example is if somebody goes to LIHEAP to 12 seek federal assistance for their utility bills, 13 LIHEAP will also let them know our system is also 14 available, our program, and help them fill out 15 that paperwork, so there's a lot of other 16 entities that we've done that with, either as 17 informational or else to assist them in 18 completion of those documents. 19 I will let you know, this issue is 20 important. Also, just so you know, at a national 21 level. There's discussions going on right now, 22 primarily by the national association, including 23 water agencies, MSD's a member of that body, I'm 24 on their national board, and there is 25 legislation -- the start of legislation going PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 44 1 through Congress. I don't know how this is going 2 to work out -- to have a similar federal 3 assistance program for low income customers for 4 wastewater, to have a federal assistance program 5 to help pay for that as well. So we're doing, 6 not just St. Louis, but everywhere, trying to do 7 things to kind of assist folks on helping the 8 communities complete these federally-mandated 9 programs with regard to the Clean Water Act and 10 do them as cost effectively as possible. 11 MR. TOENJES: So, if I feel that these 12 rate increases or this is going beyond my 13 affordability level, I call, I go online, what's 14 the process? 15 MR. HOELSCHER: So, you can call -- I 16 think if you go on our website, I think there is 17 a way to submit information on the website. If 18 nothing else, there's a phone number that you can 19 call that will walk you through the process. The 20 other thing is the application -- Marion, help me 21 here, it's not just date of application. We will 22 also go back, is that correct? 23 MR. GEE: Yes, we have the potential to go 24 back and retroactively apply credit. 25 MR. HOELSCHER: So if we have information, PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 45 1 when somebody applies, that indicates they've 2 been in a low income state for an extended 3 period, we'll actually go back and adjust past 4 bills as well. 5 MR. TOENJES: How does that review process 6 work? How long does it take and who makes the 7 determination? 8 MR. HOELSCHER: If we want -- I don't have 9 those details. I'd have to have Marion answer 10 that question, if necessary. 11 MR. GEE: Typically, we -- from the time 12 we get the application in from the customer, it 13 takes us a couple weeks to review that 14 application, sometimes there's information that 15 may be missing so we will have to contact the 16 customer again to ensure to get all the 17 information to make that determination. But, 18 normally, the process to review the application 19 takes a few weeks. After we get the information, 20 depending on when that customer is next billed, 21 probably going to be at least one or two billing 22 cycles, at the most, before they see that on 23 their bill. 24 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Gee. And 25 thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 46 1 Andy? 2 MR. LIKES: That's all the questions I 3 have for right now on Facebook and Twitter. If 4 you have more questions, please submit them now 5 on Facebook, the MSD Rate Commission page, or on 6 Twitter, on the Rate Commission Twitter page. 7 Mr. Chairman, I believe you have another 8 question in the room. 9 MR. TOENJES: We have Teresa McCabe. 10 Teresa, would you come up to the microphone there 11 and make your comment or your question? Thank 12 you so much for being here today. 13 MS. McCABE: Thanks. I just stepped in 14 because the Facebook was kind of in and out and 15 so I missed, someone had already submitted a 16 question and I didn't hear the answer, why is the 17 MSD bill three times like the water bill? That's 18 just kind of something I was wondering. I know 19 that someone asked that. I guess you guys 20 already answered that. Can you give me a little 21 quick recap? 22 MR. TOENJES: Without knowing the 23 specifics, I will try to give a recap. Okay. 24 The water rates are set by two different or three 25 different agencies. I guess the water rates are PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 47 1 set by the City of Kirkwood, City of St. Louis or 2 Missouri American Water. The only connection 3 between the two is the quantity of water that is 4 used by any one of those systems that goes into 5 the calculation of the sewer rates, so whatever 6 the -- those utilities decide to do, those other 7 three utilities decide to do, either raise or 8 lower their rates, has basically zero impact on 9 what the MSD rates are. The MSD rates are set 10 based on quantity of water that enters the 11 system, not the cost of that water. 12 MS. McCABE: I'm understanding that. I 13 guess, just my question is, basically, this is 14 the water we put in our food and in our bodies 15 and on our bodies, that it costs so much less to 16 treat that and make that potable, but it costs so 17 much more when it goes out of our homes. And I 18 know it has things that need to be, you know, 19 incinerated, this and that, but why does it cost 20 so much more to treat it after we've used it? 21 MR. TOENJES: Not being a hydrologist, 22 does anybody -- I honestly don't know. Maybe 23 there's some experts in the room that understands 24 water management better than me. 25 MR. HOELSCHER: So I think you hit it. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 48 1 It's each individual entity as to what's going 2 on. One of the pieces you may have missed, the 3 rates were charged and about a quarter of it is 4 for operation and maintenance. Another quarter 5 of it is for the debt that's assigned to the 6 capital program and then we have the capital 7 costs. So, what position any particular 8 municipality's in, there are municipalities 9 throughout the United States where water costs 10 more than wastewater. Oftentimes, it depends on 11 what the discharge standards are, how clean we 12 have to make it to discharge it back to creeks 13 and streams. But the biggest driver is what, as 14 you'll see in our rate, is what are the capital 15 improvements the entities decide are necessary or 16 in our case that are mandated by the Department 17 of Justice and the federal judge. That usually 18 drives where somebody happens to be at a certain 19 time. So I don't have a comparison. I think the 20 chairman hit it on the head. It depends on 21 particular instances of where you're located and 22 what city you're in and how you use it. 23 MR. TOENJES: Teresa, I guess I would say 24 that in terms of the things that -- that the 25 district does, taking whatever is in the sewers PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 49 1 and the wastewater system, there are certain 2 standards that have to be met before that is 3 discharged into the rivers and streams that then 4 becomes available for the water company and the 5 water company has their intakes on the rivers and 6 streams where they bring the water in, put it in 7 acetylene tanks, apply the chemicals that they 8 need, and pump it through the system. I'm a 9 simple kind of guy, but I would think that if we 10 stopped or lessened the treatment before it got 11 into rivers and streams, it would probably 12 increase the activities that would need to take 13 place on the supply side of treatment that would 14 need to be done if the streams and the rivers got 15 more polluted. 16 MS. McCABE: I guess it depends where you 17 are on the river, because I would like to know, 18 you know, in Ohio upstream, do they have higher 19 costs for their wastewater because the water's 20 going to be flowing down to us or they have lower 21 costs because we're going to have to take care of 22 their waste from upriver? What is the comparison 23 to other cities? Do you have any idea? 24 MR. TOENJES: We did look at comparison to 25 other rates as part of this rate case. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 50 1 Indianapolis, Kansas City, I think there were top 2 ten -- go ahead, Mr. Hawes. 3 MR. HAWES: Atlanta is the highest in the 4 country and we did compare to Indianapolis and 5 Kansas City, so forth, and I think MSD, and Brian 6 may be able to clarify this, but I believe MSD is 7 right in the middle of the rate structures of 8 comparable cities, maybe even lower than that. 9 MR. HOELSCHER: That monthly cost, I think 10 that last rate proposal, we are slightly above 11 median now. A lot of this is driven by where 12 you're at in your program. I mentioned -- I 13 don't know if you caught this -- MSD is a 14 court-imposed capital program, which describes 15 the system, currently scheduled to be completed 16 in 2039. You compare that to San Francisco, who 17 just finished theirs this year, and are under the 18 threat of potentially another consent decree to 19 start over again, it depends on where the systems 20 are at. Mr. Hawes is right. Atlanta has a large 21 number. And another thing that impacts the 22 rates, the point is just how complicated this 23 is -- MSD is an independent municipal entity and 24 we're the sole source of revenues or services. 25 Many of the other utilities, Kansas City and some PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 51 1 of these other places, there are revenues that go 2 towards the wastewater operations that aren't 3 necessarily reflected in your wastewater bill. 4 And those go into it also. It's a very 5 complicated comparison. I think your question 6 was wastewater versus storm, drinking water. I 7 don't have specific examples with me. I know 8 it's been both ways. 9 MS. McCABE: I was also wondering 10 comparison to other cities. So there are no 11 other funding that you get from the city or the 12 state or any of your operations? It's all from 13 the -- 14 MR. HOELSCHER: Our sole source of funds 15 are the rates. We take advantage of funding as 16 much as we can. We are probably, as amazing as 17 it seems, one of the more successful entities of 18 getting any kind of federal contributions in the 19 range of 1 to $2 million a year toward some part 20 of our operation. We're fairly active on the 21 hill and try to take advantage of any grant 22 opportunities we have. A little history. We go 23 back to the '80s and early '90s, the federal 24 government in the '70s, federal government, when 25 you put these in place, were paying, in some PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 52 1 cases, up to 75 percent of the costs of 2 improvements. MSD took full advantage of that. 3 There were treatment plants here, back when I was 4 born, but only five percent of the waste was 5 being treated. So MSD took full advantage when 6 those were in place. For economic reasons, they 7 stopped doing those grant programs, and while 8 there are low interest loans and those type of 9 opportunities, most wastewater utilities are 10 pretty much, on their own, using their rate case 11 as the source for these funds. 12 MS. McCABE: I guess that would explain 13 why the bill has just gone crazy within the last 14 several, ten years. 15 MR. HOELSCHER: Right. That's where we're 16 at. I'll extend it a little more. I just 17 mentioned San Francisco. The first folks who the 18 Department of Justice took action against with 19 regard to water quality issues are those in the 20 sensitive areas. Sensitive areas are coasts, 21 folks who have tidal waters. That's the reason 22 San Francisco is now done. We are what's EPA 23 Region 7. We have the most -- we have the 24 biggest, largest receiving streams that were the 25 least sensitivity. They're sensitive but the PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 53 1 least sensitivity of any place in the country. 2 You'll find the middle part of the country was 3 the last one to be acted against. So we signed 4 our consent decree in 2011, we agreed to sign in 5 2012, Kansas City was on about the same schedule. 6 They haven't progressed as far as we have yet, 7 but I'll give you San Francisco, which signed one 8 years ago, and they're getting ready to do their 9 second one. Same thing with, for instance, folks 10 who discharge to the Great Lakes. They're going 11 through various things. So part of the disparity 12 across the country happens to be where you're at 13 in federally-enforced actions. 14 MS. McCABE: One more quick question. I 15 think I heard you say that rate's going to be 16 charged now if you're on a meter just for the 17 winter months, is that something new? 18 MR. TOENJES: That is the measurement 19 period that the months of December, January, 20 February are the months that the water suppliers 21 provide that data to MSD that shows the water 22 consumption during those three months and then 23 those numbers are used to set the waste -- the 24 wastewater rates going forward for the following 25 year. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 54 1 MS. McCABE: And that's something new? 2 MR. HOELSCHER: That's always been in 3 place. We've always done that. 4 MS. McCABE: For city and county? 5 MR. HOELSCHER: Well, in the city, they -- 6 we are not getting water data. We're getting 7 attribute data per home similar based on what the 8 city water -- how they bill their customers. 9 Outside of that, for where we have billed 10 customers and metered customers, we've always 11 used the winter rates as being a fair 12 representation of what goes down the sewer during 13 a 12-month period. 14 MS. McCABE: Okay. So any questions about 15 individual, because I did have my billing 16 actually on a meter and I'm in the city and I 17 heard your comments on Facebook earlier and, 18 honestly, being on a meter is not necessarily a 19 good thing, because you have one toilet that runs 20 for a little bit longer and next thing you 21 know -- 22 MR. HOELSCHER: I think I expressed that 23 that is one of the differences. You can be here 24 on the positive or negative side. I would ask, 25 Mary, have one of your staff raise their hand. I PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 55 1 don't want to interrupt this, but she's got a 2 question about our bill, can we assign somebody 3 to go outside the door with her? 4 MS. McCABE: One more question about the 5 bond, really quickly. So how -- you said the 6 bond would make the rates increase more slowly if 7 it's approved, and as far as once the bond ends, 8 what are we looking at? How many years is the 9 bond good for? And, like, how long has that kind 10 of stabilized our waste rates? 11 MR. TOENJES: The length -- anyone care to 12 comment on the length of that bond? I think I 13 want to say those are 20-year bonds. 14 MR. HOELSCHER: So we go to market -- 15 well, first thing we look is finding lower cost 16 bonding, so our first source is a state revolving 17 fund. That's a federally-supported program 18 through the State of Missouri. And they give us 19 a 70 percent decrease in the interest cost, use 20 as much as those we can. They are set right now 21 as 20-year bonds. Then, we did recently take 22 advantage of a new federal program called WIFIA 23 where we're actually borrowing from the treasury. 24 Those bonding rates are something over 25 three percent. And the duration of those are PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 56 1 somewhat negotiable, but I think they're -- don't 2 hold this to me -- 25 to 30 years. And then, 3 when we go out from the market, we will negotiate 4 various rates with individuals as it comes in 5 trying to get a nice level of even schedule of 6 whatever's the most cost effective for us is you 7 pay more early, do you hold off principal 8 payments. That's part of the negotiation 9 whenever we go to market. 10 MS. McCABE: And then once the 11 construction is complete, would we be looking at 12 declining bills then? Because this is obviously 13 for upgrades and construction. Or we would still 14 see increases? 15 MR. HOELSCHER: So, when we get to 2039, 16 when the last piece is completed for -- by then, 17 what you will have is operating costs, some 18 capital to maintain the system, and whatever the 19 bond service or debt service is that we can 20 accumulate up to that date. Again, that's 2039. 21 Is it possible that we could top out before that? 22 That is possible as well. Right now, we're 23 projecting that until we reach whatever that peak 24 happens to be, which is oftentimes driven by 25 interest rates and things like that, we're not PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 57 1 suspecting that we're going to get too far off of 2 inflation as to whatever increases we ask for in 3 the future, until we get to the point of, hey, we 4 now don't have the increased rates anymore, we 5 can continue on with the program. That will 6 happen somewhere in the future. It won't be in 7 this next four years. Matter of fact, won't be 8 in the next eight years, but we're trying to hold 9 things as close to inflationary rate as we can. 10 Marion, can you find somebody to -- okay. 11 MR. TOENJES: Andy, any more questions 12 that came in online? 13 MR. LIKES: We did not have any more 14 questions online. Did we have any more questions 15 in the room? 16 MR. TOENJES: I guess, before we close 17 this slide, I'd just like to thank Elaine and 18 John and Teresa for taking time to be here today. 19 It means a lot to hear from the public, so thank 20 you all three for being here. 21 Andy? 22 MR. LIKES: With that, I'd like to thank 23 everybody watching online. This video will be 24 available on the district -- on the Rate 25 Commission Facebook page and you will be able to PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 58 1 continue any comments -- if you're watching not 2 live and you go back and you want to have any 3 questions answered, we'll be continuing to 4 monitor for that for any questions for the Rate 5 Commission. Thank you very much for watching. 6 That concludes our live stream and I'll turn it 7 back to Mr. Chairman for the rest of the meeting. 8 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Andy. We will 9 take a break until 10:30 and move on with the 10 rest of our hearing. 11 (Break taken.) 12 MR. TOENJES: 10:30. We will reconvene. 13 We will proceed to the procedural and evidentiary 14 aspects of this public hearing session. You are 15 not Susan Myers. 16 We will wait for Mr. Hoelscher. Let's 17 see, so Mr. Hoelscher is here. We have the 18 district. Who is here on behalf of Missouri 19 Industrial Energy Consumers? 20 MR. NEUSHAFER: Brandon Nueshafer. 21 MR. TOENJES: Also present are Lisa Stump 22 and Brian Malone of Lashly and Baer, legal 23 counsel to the Rate Commission. Are there any 24 procedural matters? 25 Hearing none, the district has been PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 59 1 maintaining a proposed list of exhibits on the 2 Rate Commission website. Is the district 3 prepared to present that list to the members of 4 the Rate Commission? 5 MR. NEUSHAFER: Yes, sir, we are. 6 MR. TOENJES: Does any participant wish to 7 add any additional exhibits? 8 MR. MALONE: Mr. Chairman? 9 MR. TOENJES: Yes, Mr. Malone. 10 MR. MALONE: I have three exhibits that 11 I'd like to offer into the Rate Commission's 12 record. The first is the stack of letters 13 provided by Mr. John Coffman this morning, the 14 attorney for the Consumers Council of Missouri. 15 And the following two are inquiries the Rate 16 Commission received through the e-mail address on 17 the Rate Commission's website. The first is an 18 e-mail inquiry from a Mr. Bob Shutes about the 19 district's staffing. And I've included a 20 response that he was provided by Tim Stoke on 21 behalf of the district. And the third and final 22 exhibit is a letter from Kevin Morris with 23 numerous other attached signatories. And his 24 letter describes a purported disparity in the 25 district's rate methodology for meter and PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 60 1 unmetered properties. That letter has been 2 forwarded to Susan Myers. It's going to take 3 some time for them to address that, but Ms. Myers 4 assured me that a response will be sent on behalf 5 of the district to Mr. Morris. 6 So I would ask that these three exhibits 7 be included in within the Rate Commission's 8 records as well and I'll provide copies to the 9 Rate Commission secretary. 10 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Malone. 11 Mr. Neushafer, do you have any additional 12 exhibits? 13 MR. NEUSHAFER: I had one question. On 14 Monday, we submitted a revised Appendix B and I 15 just wanted to confirm that that is included on 16 the list. 17 MS. FENTON: Yes. 18 MR. TOENJES: Are there any additional 19 exhibits? Hearing none, all the documents 20 identified on the exhibit list are admitted as 21 evidence in this rate change proceeding. The 22 district, the intervenor, and legal counsel. So 23 the Rate Commission shall each present closing 24 statements. After each closing statement, the 25 members of the Rate Commission will have an PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 61 1 opportunity to ask questions. 2 Is the district ready to present its 3 closing statement? 4 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, we are, Mr. Chairman. 5 MR. TOENJES: I'm asking the folks who are 6 submitting their closing statements just to stay 7 at their place and make sure to speak in the 8 microphone for the court reporter. Thank you. 9 Mr. Hoelscher, proceed. 10 MR. HOELSCHER: It's Brian Hoelscher. I'm 11 the executive director of MSD, sitting in for 12 Ms. Susan Myers. She's not here today. Good 13 morning, Commission. As you're all aware, I'm 14 Brian Hoelscher, CEO and executive director of 15 MSD. On behalf of the district, I'd like to 16 thank each and every one of you for participating 17 in this rate setting process. As has been 18 discussed previously, the task before you is to 19 determine if the district's rate change proposal, 20 submitted on March 4th, 2019, complies with the 21 five criteria outlines in the MSD charter. 22 Specifically, if the rate proposal is fair and 23 reasonable on all classes of ratepayers. 24 Proposal recommends wastewater rate increases for 25 the period of fiscal year '21 through fiscal year PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 62 1 2024. As you've heard through testimony, these 2 increases are necessary to provide the revenue to 3 perform operations, maintenance, and construction 4 activities required to comply with the Clean 5 Water Act as well as other regulatory 6 requirements. 7 The rate change proposal proposes to 8 increase the wastewater charges for the 9 district's typical residential customer at just 10 under two percent at fiscal year 2021 and just 11 under four percent in each year for fiscal year 12 2022 through fiscal 2024. The record has been 13 built over the last few months, contains a lot of 14 testimony and evidence for both the district and 15 your own technical experts that support the fact 16 that the district's proposal is fair and 17 reasonable on all classes of ratepayers. So I'm 18 not going to rehash all the topics that we've 19 discussed through the technical conferences and 20 in the pre-hearing conference. You can find all 21 those details in the pre-hearing conference 22 reports submitted by all parties. I do ask you 23 to remember a few things as you proceed with your 24 deliberations. First, the low single digit 25 wastewater rate increases presented in the PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 63 1 current rate proposal were made possible by the 2 district gaining positive impacts from the 3 following: The cost of financing, operation, and 4 maintenance expenses and the lower capital 5 program costs that we've experienced and, 6 finally, the approval and extension of the 7 district's consent decree from 23 years to 28 8 years. 9 Statements have been made to the district 10 to ensure that rates are managed in a reasonable 11 and prudent manner along with modernizing its 12 wastewater infrastructure in line with regulatory 13 objectives and good wastewater planning. That is 14 exactly what the rate proposal does. Other 15 statements have been made that the district's 16 defensive during these proceeding. As we have 17 stated previously, MSD takes advantage of the 18 daily input and communications we have with our 19 ratepayers in all of our activities. That input 20 has a significant impact on the rate proposals 21 that we submit to the Rate Commission. 22 Throughout these proceedings, MSD staff 23 has appropriately defended these positions with 24 independent estimates, backspaced evidence, and 25 expert testimony. This is not being defensive, PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 64 1 but is the required level of engagement necessary 2 to respect this process and stand up to the high 3 expectations of all interested stakeholders. 4 Remember, the interest of the ratepayers is the 5 only interest that drives MSD's rate proposal. 6 All evidence and testimony provided by MSD 7 demonstrate that MSD's proposed wastewater rate 8 change proposal is fair and reasonable. 9 In conclusion, it is MSD's opinion that 10 the rate proposal supported by evidence to prove 11 it is fair and reasonable. It is also the 12 district's opinion that the record created for 13 the Rate Commission proceedings supports the fact 14 that this proposal before you meets all the 15 criteria outlined in the charter and does impose 16 a fair and reasonable burden on all classes of 17 ratepayers. Again, I would like to thank you for 18 your time and dedication to this process. This 19 concludes my opening remarks. Thank you, 20 Mr. Chairman. 21 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. 22 Do any of the rate commissioners have questions 23 for Mr. Hoelscher? 24 MR. STEIN: Yes. 25 MR. TOENJES: Mr. Stein? PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 65 1 MR. STEIN: Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. I 2 just would like to ask a question that doesn't 3 relate to your closing statement, but goes back 4 to the presentation that you gave at all of the 5 public hearings. You mentioned one of the major 6 projects going forward in the next rate period is 7 the tunnel connecting the Fenton wastewater 8 treatment facility to the lower Meramec facility. 9 Is there a timeline established by permit or by 10 regulation for when you have to have the Fenton 11 treatment plant closed? 12 MR. HOELSCHER: So, as far as the Fenton 13 treatment plant itself, no. However, the 14 additional capacity that's created by building 15 those does allow us to remove SSO overflows that 16 are currently tributary to the Fenton treatment 17 plant as well as areas between Fenton and the 18 Meramec River and so that tunnel is a key 19 component in order to eliminate other mandated 20 SSO removals and basement backups that are listed 21 in the consent decree. 22 MR. STEIN: But there would be no 23 regulatory punishment, if you will, if that 24 project were delayed a year or two? 25 MR. HOELSCHER: If it were delayed a year PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 66 1 or two, we would not meet the CD mandated 2 removals of overflows and basement backups of the 3 schedules that are in the consent decree. That's 4 an integral part of that. 5 MR. STEIN: Thank you. 6 MR. TOENJES: Any of the other rate -- 7 yes, Mr. Ratzki? 8 MR. RATZKI: I have a couple questions 9 about bonds and bond authorization. Currently, 10 can you summarize how much bond authorization the 11 district currently has? 12 MR. HOELSCHER: So I'm going to pass that 13 question to Mr. Tim Stoke. 14 MR. STOKE: I believe we currently have 15 about 675 million, 650 million, in bond 16 authorization remaining. 17 MR. RATZKI: Remaining or total that's 18 been authorized by the public? 19 MR. STOKE: 900 was authorized by the 20 public a couple of years ago and we have about 21 over 650 million of that still available, I 22 believe. 23 MR. RATZKI: And does the SRF funding and 24 WIFIA funding count against that authorization? 25 MR. STOKE: Yes, it does. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 67 1 MR. RATZKI: And is the rate, the interest 2 rate, for SRF funds and WIFIA funds dependent on 3 the district's bond rate? 4 MR. STOKE: It is not. It's a fixed rate. 5 MR. RATZKI: It's a fixed rate, okay. 6 Thank you. 7 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Ratzki. 8 Anyone have any further questions for the 9 district? Any rate commissioners have any 10 questions for the district? 11 Hearing none, Missouri Industrial Energy? 12 Oh, sorry, Ms. Croyle, there is a question. 13 MS. CROYLE: We heard today about the 14 disparity between metered and unmetered. What 15 would it take to meter the city? I assume the 16 St. Louis water would have to do that. What 17 would be the cost? I mean, the gas and our 18 water, where we metered with, once that they can 19 read from the street, and there was really -- I 20 don't know what the cost is. 21 MR. HOELSCHER: So, again, understanding 22 this is a city process. Right now, individuals 23 can decide to have their water metered and go 24 through the work of putting a meter in. As I 25 understand it, one of the drivers that kind of PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 68 1 prevents that from happening is usually there are 2 additional plumbing replacements that need to be 3 done for the meter to be installed. And somebody 4 has mentioned this, and they're absolutely right, 5 putting a meter in doesn't mean you pay less. 6 While we are getting comments from individuals 7 who say, hey -- and I'll tell that you I'm giving 8 examples of what we got two retired people who 9 move into a large home in the City of St. Louis, 10 hey, I don't use that much water. We also know 11 and have heard from individuals who have a 12 significant number of individuals living in much 13 smaller homes who really benefit from not being 14 metered. So it depends where it falls. We don't 15 ignore -- and I'll ask the rate commissioner 16 member four years ago -- we don't just move along 17 with the provisions that were laid out by the 18 Missouri Supreme Court in the '90s. 19 Prior to the 2017 wastewater rate 20 proposal, we did a study to see if there were any 21 changes in the way MSD uses the attribute data 22 that's provided by the City of St. Louis. And if 23 you'll recall, prior to doing the first increase 24 in fiscal 2017, we lowered all unmetered 25 residential rates by over 10 percent, based on PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 69 1 that study, that there was a change. We looked 2 at it prior to this rate proposal. There wasn't 3 anything that would indicate a significant 4 change, but that's a topic we'll look at prior to 5 every rate proposal over the next four years, 6 Mr. Gee and his staff will look at, and if we see 7 there's evidence of anything of significant 8 change -- and we'll do those studies and we'll 9 continue to make those adjustments in the future. 10 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Ms. Croyle. Any 11 other questions for the district from any of the 12 other rate commissioners? 13 All right. Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. Is 14 Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers ready to 15 present its closing statement? 16 MR. NEUSHAFER: Yes, we are. 17 MR. TOENJES: Please proceed, 18 Mr. Neushafer. 19 MR. NEUSHAFER: Thank you. As everyone 20 knows, my name is Brandon Neushafer and I 21 represent the Missouri Industrial Energy 22 Consumers. On behalf of MIEC, we appreciate the 23 opportunity to participate in this proceeding. 24 By this point in time, everyone has heard the 25 issues that we have raised and all the testimony PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 70 1 that's been introduced. So I'm not going to 2 reiterate all the arguments that were made two 3 weeks ago or in the papers that we filed last 4 Friday. I will just note that, as we have 5 indicated consistently throughout these 6 proceedings, there's plenty of room to protect 7 the consumers by adjusting MSD's proposed revenue 8 requirements through shifting of projects and 9 adjusting the debt service coverage and debt 10 equity split, while still maintaining compliance 11 with law and credit ratings. 12 The Rate Commission also has the 13 opportunity to pursue adjustments to MSD's 14 proposed recovery of costs through the 15 infiltration and inflow allocation and extra 16 strength surcharges which as currently proposed 17 are neither fair nor reasonable. We appreciate 18 your consideration of these issues and of the 19 testimony and of this report that we have 20 provided in our pre-hearing conference report 21 last week. We request your careful consideration 22 of these submittals and of these testimony and we 23 appreciate your time and service. That's all 24 that we have to say at this point in time. I'm 25 happy to answer any questions. PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 71 1 MR. TOENJES: Are there any questions from 2 any of the commissioners? I think, on behalf of 3 the commission, I'd like to thank you and MIEC 4 for the input that you have provided in this 5 process. It certainly gets the gray matter 6 moving and I appreciate that. 7 MR. NEUSHAFER: Thank you. 8 MR. TOENJES: Is the legal counsel for the 9 Rate Commission ready to present its closing 10 statement? 11 MR. MALONE: Yes, Mr. Chairman. 12 MR. TOENJES: Please proceed, Mr. Malone. 13 MR. MALONE: Thank you. I'd like to echo 14 Mr. Hoelscher and Mr. Neushafer's statement in 15 thanking all of you for your time and commitment 16 as serving on this Rate Commission. As 17 Mr. Neushafer stated, the issues that have been 18 before this commission have been summarized in 19 the parties' pre-hearing conference reports and I 20 would encourage you to review those prior to the 21 beginning of the deliberations. The Rate 22 Commission's responsibility is to determine 23 whether the rate change proposal or any other 24 alternative proposal meets the criteria for 25 recommendation in Section 7.040 and Section 7.270 PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 72 1 of the district's charter plan, which are the 2 three criteria and the five factors. And the 3 pre-hearing conference reports discussed all of 4 these issues. But not necessarily in context of 5 the three criteria and the five factors. Most, 6 if not all of the issues that were presented in 7 these proceedings, relate to the one of the five 8 factors. That is whether the rate change 9 proposal imposes a fair and reasonable burden of 10 all classes of ratepayers, but other criteria and 11 factors are impacted by some of the issues that 12 were before this commission and these 13 proceedings. One of the factors is whether the 14 rate change proposal is consistent with 15 constitutional statutory and common law as 16 amended from time to time. As you know, one of 17 the issues that we've discussed is whether 18 certain projects could be moved out of the CIRP 19 without jeopardizing compliance with the consent 20 decree or other federal or state regulations. So 21 we'll be asking you if you want to consider a 22 statement to that effect in your final report to 23 the Board of Trustees. 24 Another factor which the rate change 25 proposal must be measured by is whether or not it PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 73 1 enhances the district's ability to provide 2 adequate sewer drainage facilities or other 3 related services. We'll ask that you consider 4 whether the projects in the CIRP are reasonable, 5 whether the project's costs have been fairly 6 estimated so that the district can provide 7 adequate sewer and drainage facilities. 8 As I mentioned, the majority of the issues 9 before this -- before this body relate to the 10 fifth factor, whether the rate change proposal is 11 fair and reasonable. We'll ask that you consider 12 whether the proposed 40 -- 60/40 debt to cash 13 financing mix is fair and reasonable. We'll ask 14 whether you consider whether the allocation and 15 cost recovery of infiltration and inflow, as 16 proposed, is appropriate. And whether the extra 17 strength surcharges are fair and reasonable. 18 Some other topics that may come up, one of 19 the fifth factor, includes whether the debt 20 service coverage is appropriate, whether it 21 requires more cash on hand that is necessary, 22 thus requiring more rate revenue, whether there's 23 an unnecessary spike in spending in fiscal year 24 2023 requiring additional rate revenue, so these 25 are the types of issues that we'll be asking you PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 74 1 to consider as you prepare the final report. You 2 may have other issues that we haven't discussed 3 at length that are important to you and that we 4 can discuss, including the Rate Commission's 5 report. 6 So, as I said, I encourage you to review 7 the parties' pre-hearing conference reports 8 carefully. And we have -- we look forward to 9 looking with you in your deliberations. Again, 10 I'll thank all of you for your service and that's 11 all I have at this time. 12 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Malone. 13 Questions from any of the rate commissioners for 14 our legal counsel or our rate consultant? 15 Hearing none, thank you, Mr. Malone. Upon 16 conclusion of this public hearing session, this 17 2019 wastewater rate change proceeding will be 18 closed and the Rate Commission will begin its 19 deliberations. This is the final opportunity for 20 rate commissioners to ask any questions. So one 21 last time, do any rate commissioners have any 22 final questions for any of the various parties 23 regarding any issue or element of the proposed 24 rate change? 25 Hearing none, we will adjourn and PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 75 1 Mr. Mahfood returned to the room just in time for 2 me to make the announcement that Monday, 3 July 29th, we will begin our deliberations at 4 8 a.m. We need to -- we need to -- as I 5 understand it, this room is reserved from 8 until 6 noon on Monday, that we need to be leaving this 7 room at noon on Monday. So, consequentially, we 8 will look for volunteers to call Mr. Mahfood on 9 Monday morning. And we will stand adjourned for 10 this public hearing and begin our deliberations 11 Monday, July 29th, in this room at 8 a.m. 12 Thank you. 13 (Ending time of the meeting: 10:51 a.m.) 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 7/24/2019 www.alaris.us Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 ALARIS LITIGATION SERVICES Page 76 1 STATE OF MISSOURI) )SS 2 CITY OF ST. 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