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2017-08-10 HPC Minutes Village of Plainfield Meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission Record of Minutes Date: August 10, 2017 Location: Village Hall CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, PLEDGE Chairman Bortel called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. Roll call was taken: Commissioners Schmidt, Lucas, Olsen (7:03 p.m.), Derrick, Barvian, Rapp, Hagen, and Chairman Bortel were present. Commissioner Hendricksen was absent. Also in attendance: Jonathan Proulx, Director of Planning and Tracey Erickson, Recording Secretary. Chairman Bortel led the pledge to the flag. APPROVAL OF AGENDA Commissioner Derrick made a motion to approve the agenda. Seconded by Commissioner Hagen. Voice Vote. All in favor. 0 opposed. Motion carried 8-0. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Commissioner Derrick made a motion to approve the February 23, 2017 minutes as amended and March 9, 2017 minute as presented. Seconded by Commissioner Hagen. Voice Vote. All in favor. 0 opposed. Motion carried 8-0. Commissioner Derrick suggested having the link to the video available at the end of the minutes. CHAIR’S COMMENTS COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS - There was no response. PUBLIC COMMENT - There was no response. OLD BUSINESS CAMP – Saturday, July 29 – Revisited Chairman Bortel asked the commissioner’s for their thoughts regarding CAMP. Commissioner Barvian stated he felt CAMP was very informative; a great collection of information and speakers did a great job educating the commission. Commissioner Lucas seconded that sentiment. Commissioner Hagen stated the lawyer’s presentation was very good. Commissioner Rapp stated he was impressed by the legal presentation. Commissioner Olsen stated the speakers were very good. Commissioner Bortel thanked the Masons for allowing the CAMP to use their facility. Mr. Proulx stated something to consider from CAMP was processing COA’s administratively and HPC would be the ultimate decision maker, so the applicant would not need to go before the Village Board. Chairman Bortel stated the ordinance requires a COA to be presented to the Village Board. Mr. Proulx stated the Village Board would need to change the ordinance. APPROVED 12/14/17 Historic Preservation Commission Minutes August 10, 2017 Page 2 of 6 24215 (715) W. Lockport Street –ReMax Realty-Finished Chairman Bortel stated that the sign and driveway for ReMax Realty has been completed. Chairman Bortel explained why he will be writing a letter to Illinois Historic Preservation Agency (IHPA) asking for the IHPA to notify the local commission when IHPA has a new applicant. Commissioner Olsen asked what the role is of building department. Mr. Proulx stated the building department does a good job sending over the permits and he explained how the ReMax project was processed. 24030 W. Lockport Street – Smiley & Fraser Grocers – Opened 3 Weeks ago Chairman Bortel updated the commission on the status. 24044 W. Lockport Street – John Bayles Bldg. – 1892 Restoration Chairman Bortel informed the commission that the Park Service overruled the IHPA and will allow the building to be restored back to 1892. Historic Guidelines Manual Update Chairman Bortel provided the commission with an update on the progress of the manual. Update ArchiSearch Survey Chairman Bortel stated it has been almost 10 years since the surveys were completed. Chairman Bortel stated the mid-century ranches will need to be worked on since they are now historic. Update Preservation Watch List Chairman Bortel asked the commissioners to look around the community, so the watch list can be updated. NEW BUSINESS Case No. 1766-072417.COA 15010 S. Bartlett Avenue Mr. Proulx stated this is a Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) for 15010 S. Bartlett Avenue, which is located in the East Side Historic District. The petitioner is requesting approval for the demolition of an existing, three-bay detached garage and replacement with a comparable new structure. Mr. Proulx stated the home on the lot is Italianate in style and dates to circa 1885. While not currently a local landmark, the home is identified as strongly contributing and recommended for local landmark status. A number of local landmark homes are in the immediate vicinity, including 14930, 14931, 15005 and 15022 S. Bartlett Ave. Mr. Proulx reviewed the criteria and recommendations as noted in the staff report dated August 8, 2017. Mr. Proulx stated staff supports the proposed demolition and replacement detached garage. Staff will be prepared to document any additional recommendations identified by the HPC. Chairman Bortel swore in Bill Hanley, applicant. Mr. Hanley stated the pictures do not show the hardware they have planned for the garage doors and the garage doors on the current structure are not original. Commissioner Derrick asked when the current garage was built. Mr. Hanley stated he does not know. Commissioner Derrick asked is there is evidence that one of the current bays is the original single bay garage. Mr. Hanley stated no, it appears to be all one structure. Commissioner Olsen asked about the roof line. Mr. Hanley stated hip to the front, similar to what is on the existing garage. Commissioner Derrick questioned the roof line on proposed garage. Mr. Hanley Historic Preservation Commission Minutes August 10, 2017 Page 3 of 6 stated the current garage has a flat roof, which has been a problem; the proposed design for the roof will comes to a point in the middle. Commissioner Derrick asked if the design in the packet is accurate. Mr. Hanley stated yes. Commissioner Derrick stated that the proposed garage will be taller than the existing structure and asked how much taller. Mr. Proulx stated the proposed garage is just less than 15 feet to the peak of roof and he explained how it is measured per the zoning code. Mr. Proulx stated he does not have the height of the current structure. Commissioner Barvian asked applicant about recommendation for fiber cement board. Mr. Hanley stated that they are not opposed to it but the house and outbuilding structure have aluminum sliding, so they were trying to be consistent. Chairman Bortel stated the siding on the house was there when the district was created. Commissioner Rapp stated other than the fence, the garage and the house has not changed much over the years. Chairman Bortel explained to the applicant why the COA was necessary. Commissioner Derrick asked the applicant to tell the commission about the condition of the existing garage, since it will need to be clear to demonstrate the need to demolish what is presumably a contributing building. Commissioner Derrick asked if the applicant had an estimate on what it would cost to restore the garage. Mr. Hanley stated they do not but would be very costly because the garage roof is sagging, the windows are not functional, the garage doors are ill fitting and sagging and the concert floor was poured at a later date under the framing and is cracked. Commissioner Olsen suggested a new product for the siding made by Boral, True Exterior. Mr. Hanley stated that it would be inconsistent with the siding on house and outbuilding. Commissioner Schmidt asked if there was any future plans to change the siding on house and outbuilding. Mr. Hanley stated no, siding is in good condition. Commissioner Schmidt asked about trim around windows of the house. Mr. Hanley stated it is siding. Commissioner Lucas asked if the applicant would incorporate single pane windows on the garage doors. Mr. Hanley stated they did not find a current design that had that but they could look further. Mrs. Hanley stated the windows they picked were because it matches the house windows. Commissioner Derrick asked if the pitch of the roof on the current garage match the pitch of the roof on the house. Mr. Hanley stated yes. Mrs. Hanley stated that they want to get rid of the flat roof. Mr. Derrick asked applicant if they would consider having the same pitch on the new garage without the flat roof. Mr. Hanley stated he would have to check but thinks it is consistent with it. Commissioner Derrick stated she feels that the replacement structure should match the original as much as possible and they are setting a precedent. Mr. Hanley stated that the roof will be similar but higher. Commissioner Barvian asked how large the flat roof is on the top. Mr. Hanley stated his guess is 7 or 8 feet by 12 feet. Mr. Proulx stated as a reference a parking stall is 9x18 feet. Commissioner Olsen asked if the garage had widows walk on it. Mrs. Hanley stated that they saw a picture with the widows walk on the garage but when they moved in it had been removed. Commissioner Olsen stated that it looks like they built the garage to mimic that and the current garage was built in 30’s or 40’s. Commissioner Derrick stated it had to be after 1931 since the Sanborns shows a single garage. Chairman Bortel stated his guess that the existing garage was built after World War II. Commissioner Derrick stated that if the garage is post 1950 would make it easier and asked staff to go the website www.historicaerials.com. Historic Preservation Commission Minutes August 10, 2017 Page 4 of 6 Commissioner Lucas stated the Historic Urbanized Core Survey states a small 1 story garage is also shown to the northwest of the house on the north lot line on the 1931 and 1944 Sanborns. Commissioner Derrick stated one car until 1944. Mrs. Hanley stated the Well House, not carriage house, is located in the corner of the property. Commissioner Derrick stated that the one car garage was still on the property as of 1962, per historicaerials.com, which means the current garage is outside the period of significations of the district. Commissioner Derrick asked the commissioner’s position on vinyl siding. Commissioner Hagen stated that is he open to vinyl and explained why. Chairman Bortel stated that the applicant could use Hardie Board or Boral on the front of the garage and use vinyl on the sides. Commissioner Hagen stated cost maybe a factor for the applicant. Commissioner Olsen stated that the transition might not work. Commissioner Derrick asked if the house has aluminum or vinyl siding. Mr. Hanley stated aluminum. Commissioner Hagen asked the applicant if they are open to alternatives. Mrs. Hanley stated staff suggested an alternative for the front, which they are open to. Commissioner Olsen asked what the reveal on the house is. Mrs. Hanley stated it is thinner. Chairman Bortel and Commissioner Schmidt both stated the garage and house reveal should match. Chairman Bortel suggested a change to the garage door to an upscale door. Mrs. Hanley explained how they are going to have hardware placed on door to make it look more like a stable. Commissioner Schmidt asked the applicant if could have the same roof on existing garage. Mrs. Hanley stated they do not want a flat roof because of all the problems. Commissioner Schmidt explained how it could be done with a pitch but will look flat from the street. Commissioner Schmidt stated if they kept the same pitch the ridgeline would be much higher. Chairman Bortel explained the letter of agreement and the process. Commissioner Schmidt asked if the current roof has roof drains. Mr. Hanley stated no. Commissioner Schmidt asked about the house roof. Mr. Hanley explained what they have done to improve the house roof to drain properly. Commissioner Schmidt stated that a flat roof needs a drain to eliminate water issues. Mrs. Hanley stated that the contractor may not do flat roofs. Commissioner Olsen stated her Historic Preservation Commission Minutes August 10, 2017 Page 5 of 6 concern is the siding and not the roof. Commissioner Barvian stated that the focus from the street will be the roof line and not the garage doors. Commissioner Schmidt stated he is more concerned about the shape of the garage. Commissioner Barvian stated when you look at the garage from the street the focus will be the roof, not the garage doors. Chairman Bortel asked if the commission agrees on the siding. Mrs. Hanley stated that she will ask the contractor about using alternative siding. Commissioner Olsen stated the commission feels that to have Hardie Board on the entire structure it could be $3,000.00. Commissioner Schmidt stated his rough estimate for the whole structure for Hardie Board would be $1,000.00 and asked why only the front of the structure with Hardie Board. Mrs. Hanley stated that was the suggestion of the Village staff. Chairman Bortel explained the Rehabilitation Grant. Commissioner Derrick asked for the timeline. Mrs. Hanley stated December or November. Commissioner Derrick ask staff if the commission request for the applicant to get quotes for Hardie Board on the entire structure with same reveal and panel doors, who will make the decision if it is cost prohibited. Mr. Proulx stated that if the commissioners are comfortable with Staff review before it goes to the Board of Trustees. Commissioner Derrick stated she does not want to make the applicant come back again and stated her reasoning to have the applicant get a quote for fiber cement board with a reveal to match the house on all four sides. Commissioner Derrick asked applicant if they need a double bay for the garage. Mrs. Hanley explained why they want double bay garage. Commissioner Olsen stated there is hardware to give a double bay the appearance of a three bay garage. Commissioner Derrick asked commissioners if they should be single paned windows. Commissioner Schmidt stated he likes the single pane and he doesn’t feel that strongly about it. Commissioner Derrick asked applicant about light fixtures. Mrs. Hanley stated they have not picked out light fixtures. Commissioner Derrick asked the applicant to share pictures with staff once they find a design. Mr. Hanley stated there will also be soffit lighting and decorative lighting. Mr. Hanley stated the overhang on the front of the roof will be 3 feet instead of the standard 2 feet. Commissioner Schmidt explained pitches and roof heights. Mrs. Hanley stated she felt the height is higher because they will have a walk up storage loft. Commissioner Schmidt asked applicant about going as high as they can with pitch of the roof because that will look more similar to the original without having the flat roof. Mrs. Hanley asked what is the maximum roof height per the zoning code. Mr. Proulx stated it is based on the commission determines to be appropriate. Commissioner Derrick stated she would like a lower pitch and explained why. Mr. Hanley stated that he believes he will have a ridgeline and the sides will be triangle shaped. Commissioner Derrick stated the drawing shows a pyramidal roof. Mr. Hanley stated he will have to double check and he believes that drawing is incorrect. Mr. Proulx suggested favorable recommendation for the Certificate of Appropriateness subject to preparation of a letter of agreement, prepared by staff and coordinate with the applicant and chairmen, to include siding material, specify garage door, accessory light fixtures and to maintain the roof height within the magnitude of the original roof height. Commissioner Hagen made a motion to recommend approval of the Certificate of Appropriateness for Case No. 1754-022017.COA for the proposed restoration of the building at 15010 W. Bartlett Avenue subject to following stipulations: • Maximum garage height to be reasonably consistent with existing (approximately 15 feet) Historic Preservation Commission Minutes August 10, 2017 Page 6 of 6 • Use of decorative garage door and hardware with single pane windows as specified at the meeting. • Use of Boral “TrueExterior” siding recommended if economically feasible. Vinyl acceptable as alternative. Either siding option to incorporate narrow reveal consistent with siding of principal home. • Use of historically sensitive light fixtures, subject to review and approval by Director of Planning. Seconded by Commissioner Derrick. Vote by roll call: Schmidt, yes; Lucas, yes; Olsen, yes; Derrick, yes, Barvian, yes; Rapp, yes; Hagen, yes; Bortel, yes. Motion carried 8-0 Chairman Bortel asked applicant if they have an abstract of the property or title search. Mr. Hanley stated they don’t believe they do but will check. Youth Preservation Volunteers Chairman Bortel stated that it has been 8 years since he has done the 3rd Grade tours and reach out to the High Schools to do some projects with them. Commissioner Olsen asked if the Chairman looked at the website to get ideas. Chairman Bortel stated he did briefly, could be something that the Public Outreach Committee could work on. DISCUSSION Mr. Proulx stated CLG is looking for photos of CLG success stories for the CLG Publication and secondly conference in Chicago November 14th. Chairman Bortel read email from CLG and stated there is a conference in Des Moines that the commission should consider. Commissioner Derrick asked about Rehabilitation Grant. Mr. Proulx stated the Village’s budget process is continual and this something that can always be raised as a wish for the HPC. ADJOURN Commissioner Derrick made a motion to adjourn. Commissioner Barvian seconded the motion. Voice vote. All in favor; 0 opposed. Motion carried 8-0. Meeting adjourned at 8:39 p. m. Respectfully submitted, Tracey Erickson Recording Secretary