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McCall City Council
Regular Meeting
McCall City Hall'— Legion Hall
VIA TEAMS Virtual
January 11, 2024
Call to Order and Roll Call
Pledge of Allegiance
Approve the Agenda
Consent Agenda
Public Comment
Oaths of Office
Reports
Public Hearings
Business Agenda
Adjournment
CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL
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Mayor Giles called the regular meeting of the McCall City Council to order at 5:30 p.m.
Mayor Giles, Council Member Maciaszek, Council Member Nelson, Council Member
Nielsen, and Council Member Thrower all answered roll call.
City staff members present were Anette Spickard, City Manager; Bill Nichols, City Attorney;
BessieJo Wagner, City Clerk; Sarah Porter, Deputy Clerk; Erin Greaves, Communications
Manager; Linda Stokes, City Treasurer; Michelle Groenevelt, Community Development Director;
Delta James, Economic Development Planner; Brian Parker, City Planner; Kurt Wolf, Parks and
Recreation Director; Eric McCormick, Golf Course Superintendent; Meg Lojek, Library Director;
Chris Curtin, Information Systems Manager; Traci Malvich, Human Resources Manager; Nathan
Stewart, Public Works Director; Sean Reilly, Network Administrator; Meredith Todd, Assistant
City Planner; Emily Hart, Airport Manager; Nate Kimmel, McCall Police Officer; Rachel
Santiago-Govier, Permit Tech; Morgan Stroud, City Staff Engineer; Molly McCullough,
Communications Assistant.
Also, in attendance were Sherry Maupin, Valley County Commissioner; Steve Millemann, Mile
High Marina & St Luke's Memorial Hospital Representative; Cade Huskinson, AB 24-012
Appellant.
Mayor Giles led the audience in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Council Member Thrower moved to approve the agenda as submitted. Council Member
Nielsen seconded the motion. In a voice vote all members voted aye, and the motion carried.
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CONSENT.AGENDA
Staff recommended approval of the following ACTION ITEMS. All matters which are listed
within the consent section of the agenda have been distributed to each member of the McCall City
Council for reading and study. The items listed are considered routine by the Council and were
enacted with one motion.
1. City Council Regular Meeting Minutes — December 28, 2023
2. City Council Special Meeting Minutes — December 29, 2023
3. Payroll Report for period ending December 22, 2023
4. Warrant Register — GL
5. Warrant Register — Vendor
6. Accept the Minutes of the following Committees
a. Golf Advisory Committee — October 11, 2023
b. Golf Advisory Committee — November 8, 2023
c. McCall Historic Preservation Commission — November 13, 2023
d. Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee — November 15, 2023
7. AB 24-006 City Licenses Report to Council Per McCall City Code
Per McCall City Code Title 4 Chapter 9, the City Council has determined the City Clerk shall
be delegated the authority to process and grant or deny all alcoholic beverage license
applications, other than certain circumstances involving catering permits, which the City Clerk
shall review the application for catering permit for completeness and forward said application
to the Police Chief. The Police Chief upon receipt of the application shall make a
recommendation to the City Clerk to approve or deny the application. Whenever the City Clerk
shall determine that an application for alcoholic beverage license transfer or renewal is
complete, the City Clerk shall approve or deny such application. All decisions of the City Clerk
shall be reported to the City Council at the next regularly scheduled City Council meeting after
such a decision. The City Clerk is also responsible for all processing of business, taxi, snow
removal, pawnbroker, child daycare licenses, vendor and short-term rental permits, and public
event applications. All Business license renewals and STR permit renewals will be reflected
in the first license report in February. Action: Review the license report.
8. AB 24-007 Request to Approve Deed Restriction for New Owner of Unit 10, Thompson
Place Condominiums
Unit 10 of Thompson Place Condominiums (595 Thompson Avenue, Unit 202) was deed
restricted as a Local Housing Unit on March 24, 2021. The deed restriction defines the criteria
for who can live in the unit and determines the sale price when it is sold. The unit cannot be
used as a short-term rental. Action: Approve the updated Deed Restriction for Unit 10 of
Thompson Place Condominiums and authorize the Mayor to sign all necessary documents.
9. AB 24-009 Request to approve Certified Local Government Grant Agreement to support
identification of sites with local historic significance
The Idaho State Historic Preservation Office has awarded the City of McCall a Certified Local
Government (CLG) Grant in the amount of $4500 to support hiring of an architectural historian
consultant to conduct a drive -by (aka "windshield") survey of buildings 50 years or older to
preliminary assess remaining historic integrity and then complete more in-depth (aka
"reconnaissance") research into select historic buildings to update the McCall Historic
Preservation Commission's catalogue of buildings within the McCall area that may have local
and/or national historic significance. The grant amount is $4500 and will be matched 1:1 with
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$4500 of FY24 City funds allocated to the Historic Preservation Commission within the
Community and Economic Development Department budget. Action: Approve the Certified
Local Government Grant Agreement and authorize the Mayor to sign all necessary documents.
Council Member Nielsen moved to approve the Consent Agenda as submitted. Council
Member Nelson seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council Member Nielsen, Council
Member Nelson, Mayor Giles, Council Member Maciaszek, and Council Member Thrower
all voted aye, and the motion carried.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Mayor Giles called for public comment at 5:34 p.m.
Four (4) written comments are included as Attachment 1.
David Gallipoli, 405 Floyd St
Mr. Gallipoli requested that the City Council pass an Ordinance to ban wake boats and limit power
boats on Payette Lake as well as remove jet skis from public beaches to protect wildlife habitat
and local drinking water.
JJ Campbell, 200 Scott St
Mr. Campbell addressed the City Council regarding homeless issues, overdoses and the need for
shelters and sober living homes locally.
Joey Petri, 225 Valley Springs Rd
Mr. Petri commented on climate change and the need to take action on the local level.
Hearing no further comments, Mayor Giles closed the comment period at 5:40 p.m.
OATHS -OF OFFICE
AB 24-001 Installation of newly elected City Council Members: Colby Nielsen and Mike
Maciaszek
City Clerk BessieJo Wagner administered the Oaths of Office to Council Member Maciaszek and
Council Member Nielsen. Idaho Code § 50-805 states that the governing body of any City
governed by the Council/Manager form of government shall consist of five (5) Members. As stated
in Idaho Code § 50-702, each Council Member elected at a general City election shall be installed
at the first meeting in January following the election. The incumbents shall meet and conduct such
business as may be necessary to conclude the fiscal matters of the preceding year; the newly elected
shall then subscribe to the oath of office, be presented certificates of election and assume the duties
of their position.
AB 24-002 The 2024 Election of Mayor
City Clerk BessieJo Wagner facilitated the Election of the Mayor. Idaho Code § 50-805 states that
the governing body of any City governed by the Council/Manager form of government shall
consist of five (5), Members. McCall City Code states that the Mayor shall be elected by the
Council from among its membership for a term of two (2) years at the first meeting of the newly
elected Council after each general or special election of members of the Council; the Mayor may
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be removed by the Council per Idaho Code section 50-809. The Mayor shall preside over the
meetings of the Council and perform such other duties consistent with the office as may be imposed
by the Council. The Mayor shall be entitled to a vote on all matters coming before the Council but
shall possess no veto power. The Mayor shall be recognized as the official head of the City for all
ceremonial purposes, by the courts for the purposes of serving civil processes, and by the Governor
for military purposes. The Mayor may use the title of Mayor in any case in which the execution of
contracts or other legal instruments in writing, or other necessity arising from the general laws of
this State may so require, but this shall not be construed as conferring upon the office
administrative powers or functions of a Mayor under the general laws of the State per Idaho Code
section 50-810. Clerk Wagner reviewed the duties of the Mayor to include but not limited to
signing checks, communication with constituents, officiating weddings, and proclamation public
readings as requested.
Council Member Giles expressed interest in continuing as Mayor. No other nominations were
made. Council Member Maciaszek expressed appreciation for Mayor Giles and the commitment
to be involved in the community and diligently representing the community and the City Council.
Council Member Nelson moved to Appoint Bob Giles as Mayor for the term January 2024
through January 2026. Council Member Maciaszek seconded the motion. In a roll call vote,
Council Member Nelson, Council Member Maciaszek, Council Member Giles, Council
Member Nielsen and Council Member Thrower all voted aye, and the motion carried.
City Clerk BessieJo Wagner administered the Oath of Office to Mayor Bob Giles.
AB 24-003 The 2024 Election of Council President
Mayor Giles Facilitated the Election of Council President. Idaho Code § 50-805 states that the
governing body of any City governed by the Council/Manager form of government shall consist
of five (5) Members. Mayor Giles noted that the Council President is an important position and
expressed appreciation for Council Member Nielsen previously serving as Council President. City
Clerk BessieJo Wagner reviewed the Council President duties including filling in when the Mayor
is absent.
Council Member Nielsen expressed an interest in continuing as Council President.
Council Member Maciaszek moved to Elect Council Member Nielsen as Council President
for the term January 2024 through January 2026. Council Member Nelson seconded the
motion. In a roll call vote Council Member Maciaszek, Council Member Nelson, Mayor
Giles, Council Member Nielsen, and Council Member Thrower all voted aye, and the motion
carried.
Chamber of Commerce Report
Chamber of Commerce Director Julie Whitescarver presented to the City Council. Director
Whitescarver reviewed the raffle items for Winter Carnival. The Grand Marshalls for Winter
Carnival 2024 are teachers from local school districts between New Meadows, McCall Donnelly
and Cascade. Winter Carnival will take place the last weekend of February and will include ice
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sculptures, the Children's Torchlight parade, the Mardi Gras parade, and a local talent show.
Director Whitescarver also reviewed Business After Hours events for January and February.
Valley County Board of Commissioners Report
Valley County Commissioner Sherry Maupin presented to the City Council. Commissioner
Maupin noted that Valley County has hired a Wildfire Mitigation Specialist and education outreach
will be improved going forward. Valley County has completed a Capital Infrastructure Plan to
address appropriate staff spaces and building improvements needed. Additionally, Valley County
approved a new expansion of the Road Department, and a new building will be built on Gold Dust
Rd south of Cascade. Moving the Road Department out of Downtown Cascade will benefit the
fairgrounds. The Waterways Management plan is in the implementation phase. Additionally, the
Valley County Board of Commissioners received an update from Idaho Department of Fish and
Wildlife that quagga mussels will not live in the local lakes and reservoirs due to high amounts of
calcium. Valley County also completed a Transportation Master Plan and coordinated with City of
McCall Staff during the process. Commissioner Maupin additionally noted future goals to have a
Resource Management Plan.
Council Member Nelson asked what Valley County considers a priority for resource management.
Commissioner Maupin noted that when a county has a Resource Management Plan in place, any
environmental reviews done by the Forest Service or other entities will consider the County
Resource Management Plan first and try to obtain the vision within the plan. Housing is a resource
priority for Valley County.
Monthly Department Reports
City Manager Anette Spickard noted the Airport Report included an update to infield development
projects and staff working towards issuing a request for proposals to construct the new infield
development project included in the Airport Master Plan. Mayor Giles thanked Airport Manager
Emily Hart for the hard work and effort put into developing the airport.
Council Reports
Council Member Nielsen noted that the Winter Recreation meetings have been active regarding
closed ski areas and the Granite Goose project that the Forest Service has opened public comment
on. Council Member Nielsen additionally gave a brief overview of the Granite Goose project area.
Another Joint Wastewater Advisory Group (JWAG) meeting was conducted. The JWAG meetings
have been positive and collaborative to identify items to take action sooner rather than later to
increase capacity. Manager Spickard noted that JWAG minutes will be included with the City
Manager department report monthly. Council Member Nelson asked if the leak in the pond liner
for the sewer pond had been discussed. Council Member Nielsen noted that there have not been
any in-depth discussions on the sewer pond lining and the big focus has been on the inflow and
infiltration issues affecting sewer capacity.
PUBLIC IIEARING
AB 24-010 Request to Approve CUP -23-07 —1300 East Lake Street — Expansion of Mile High
Marina
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Council Member Maciaszek moved to Open the Public Hearing. Council Member Nelson
seconded the motion. ,In a voice vote, all voted aye, and the motion carried.
City Planner Brian Parker presented to the City Council an Application for a Conditional Use
Permit, Design Review, and Shoreline Environs Review to expand the Mile High Marina (Marina)
and replace the existing log breakwater with wave attenuator infrastructure and include a publicly
accessible dock area with approximately 90 additional boat slips and replacing the log boom wave
break, covered walkway and opportunities for public art in the future. During their regularly
scheduled November 7, 2023 meeting, the McCall Area Planning & Zoning Commission
unanimously voted to recommend approval of the subject application with the conditions of
approval identified in the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision. The City Council
Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Decision document will be prepared and brought
forward for review and approval at a future meeting. Planner Parker reviewed Conditional Use
Permit standards of approval requirements in the City Code.
Council Member Thrower asked if an environmental assessment was required and additionally
asked for background on the discussion the Planning and Zoning Commission (P&Z) had on the
application regarding environmental assessments. Planner Parker noted that the City Council can
request a formal environmental assessment but there is not a requirement in the City Code.
Council Member Nelson noted ex-parte conversations regarding the public hearing with the public
including David Gallipoli's concerns about wake boats, Rick Fereday as part of the Boise State
University Institute studying water issues in Valley County and, Lynn Lewinski about
infrastructure and the Marina's impact on water and traffic. Council Member Nelson expressed
that any conversations with the public outside of the public hearing has not had an influence on
any decisions made by Council Member Nelson. Attorney Nichols noted that the disclosure
requirements have been satisfied. Council Member Maciaszek also noted leasing a boat slip at the
Marina for 15 years. Attorney Nichols noted that the disclosure has been made and the City Council
can decide if Council Member Maciaszek has a conflict of interest. Mayor Giles expressed that
Council Member Maciaszek did not have a conflict of interest and the Council agreed.
Mile High Marina Representative Steve Millemann, Millemann Pemperton & Holm presented to
the City Council. Mr. Millemann noted that McCall City Code 3.7.023 states that an environmental
assessment can be required on issues identified by staff or the Commission prior to the application
being filed as part of the pre -application process. Mr. Millemann reviewed the project and public
amenities including 1100ft of ADA boardwalk constructed at no expense to the City or the public,
collaborating with City staff on a non -motorized lake area between Brown Park and the Marina,
and bollards to protect the pedestrian pathway between Legacy Park and Brown Park.
Mr. Millemann acknowledged the community's passion regarding the lake and the issues with
motorized and non -motorized users and expressed that denying the application is not going to
reduce the number of boats on the lake and granting the application is not going to increase the
number of boats on the lake. The Marina expansion will have positive impacts in terms of boat
ramp congestion and parking as well as boater education. Mr. Millemann asked the City Council
to hold the application and evidence presented during the hearing to the standards of the City Code
and on the application's merits and impact. Any issues on Payette Lake will not be solved with the
Marina Expansion and the same issues will not be exacerbated by the Marina Expansion.
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Mayor Giles asked, for clarification on the statement that if the CUP is granted there would not be
an increase in the number of boats on the lake. Mr. Millemann reviewed the original application
and a supplemental letter provided in the record explaining a survey conducted for the first 100
people on the Marina slip waiting list. The survey concluded that an overwhelming majority of
people on the wait list already own boats and designated Payette Lake as the primary body of water
where the boat is used. Additionally, in the same survey, respondents currently trailer boats in and
out of the lake since there are no slips currently available. The additional 90 slips provided by the
expansion will be offered to those on the waitlist first with a majority of those on the waitlist not
adding new boats to the lake since the boats are already being used on the lake by trailering in and
out of the lake. Council Member Nielsen asked Mr. Millemann if boat owners who receive a slip
would be more likely to use the boat more frequently. Mr. Millemann noted that a count on usage
was not done but those on the waitlist already have boats that are being used on the lake. The usage
data in the Waterways Management Plan shows lake users ramping in and out of the lake 20 to 30
times a season. Mr. Millemann speculated with his own observations that it is a rare occasion to
see even half of the current slips unoccupied and noted there is not quantifiable data to answer
Council Member Nielsen's question.
Mr. Millemann noted that the Marina and fuel dispensers have been in operation since the late
1960s and the current owners have been operating the Marina since 2004. The Marina operates
pursuant to three critical documents. An encroachment permit and submerged land permit from
the State of Idaho, a state lease with the State of Idaho because there is commercial activity and a
lease with the City of McCall. Both the City of McCall and State of Idaho leases expire in 2027
with an option to renew for 10 years. The City receives 4% of the gross receipts from slip rentals
annually. The application includes replacement of the existing log boom that acts as a breakwater,
but is not effective, with a state-of-the-art wave attenuator system. The installation of the wave
attenuator system does not require pilings or penetration of the lake bottom. Instead, the wave
attenuator system relies on concrete anchors that are placed on the lake bottom. The wave
attenuator system will provide better protection to the Marina and the fuel dock components of the
Marina and cost roughly 3 million dollars to complete. The additional boat slips will help offset
the cost of the new wave attenuator system. On top of the wave attenuator system will be a 10ft
deck with handrails to create a boardwalk on the lake open to the public during daylight hours.
The pergolas that will be on the boardwalk will not obstruct the view of the lake in any way. A
proposed maintenance agreement will be brought back to the City Council if the application is
approved. The applicant and the Parks and Recreation department have discussed the expected
maintenance obligations.
Council Member Maciaszek asked if there has been any discussion on the public using the
breakwater area to swim. Mr. Millemann noted conversations with City Staff regarding signage
and railing to discourage the public jumping into the area around the breakwater and there will be
no tie downs on the breakwater decking.
Additionally, Mr. Millemann noted that most of the adverse written comments received were under
the assumption that there will be 90 new boats on the lake and reiterated that the issues of lake
capacity will not be resolved or impacted by the Marina expansion. Valley County started
addressing lake capacity and use issues with the Waterways Management Plan with input from
multiple stakeholders, public agencies and the public. As the dialogue around the Waterways
Management Plan continues, the Marina will be an active participant. The Marina currently has a
boater education program to help both motorized and non -motorized users understand where the
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points of conflict are and where the shallow areas of the lake are. The owner of the Marina met
with the Big Payette Lake Water Quality Council and learned about lakes such as Hayden Lake
where boater education can have a large impact. Having additional slip owners at the Marina will
increase the captive audience for boater education.
Council Member Nelson asked about the increased boat hours on the lake and if any of the
additional boat slips will be dedicated to daily rentals that will spend most of the time active on
the lake. Mr. Millemann expressed that as represented to the state, daily rentals are not the intention
of the additional boat slips. The additional slips will be rented to the public on a first come, first
served basis and it is anticipated that the slips will contain powerboats. Mr. Millemann also noted
that the application is in line with the City Comprehensive Plan which calls out the need for a
publicly accessible boardwalkon the water. Additionally, the application has been through other
processes which involved public input including the application for the state encroachment permit
which required formal notice to agencies such as the Department of Environmental Quality, Idaho
Department of Fish and Game and the Army Corps of Engineers. The Big Payette Lake Water
Quality Council (BPLWQC) was not included in the distribution list for the state application, but
the applicant did provide a BPLWQC a copy of the application separately. The State statutes allow
for any person or agency to request a public hearing for the application, no request was made, and
the permit was issued. The application was heard by the McCall Area Planning and Zoning
Commission where additional public notices and comment periods were made available to the
public as well as the agencies that were notified during the state application process.
Mr. Millemann noted that environmental assessment is not required and there is not a requirement
to have a spill plan, but staff indicated a desire to have a spill plan in place with the expansion.
The applicant has created a spill and prevention control plan that has been reviewed by staff and
an expert hired by the Marina. After multiple revisions, a detailed formal spill protocol is now in
place. Mr. Millemann Additionally noted communication with Big Payette Water Quality Council
prior to filing any application.
Mr. Millemann also noted work to mitigate sediment disruption during the boardwalk/Breakwater
construction. Mr. Millemann expressed that the applicant has gone well beyond the requirements
of McCall City Code and the project will improve the fueling stations that are currently in place
and the water quality will not be affected by the project. Mr. Millemann noted a comment from the
Idaho Conservation League that explained the process and permitting the applicant would need to
go through at the state level. The applicant has gone through the correct permitting processes and
that information was provided in the application. The application will not produce an increased
number of boats and the Marina is sensitive to the proper use of the lake.
Mayor Giles expressed that Mr. Millemann' s review of the application has been helpful to the City
Council. Mayor Giles also appreciated the applicant's willingness to work with City Staff and other
organizations in the process of the application.
Council Member Thrower asked if there was any potential to discover increased milfoil in the lake.
Mr. Millemann noted that the applicant has had a program in place to mitigate milfoil at the Marina
every season and the applicant is willing to improve that process as well. Council Member Nielsen
asked if there is a parking gain and information on the parking impacts of the project. Mr.
Millemann noted that the Marina is not required to have parking since the Marina was part of the
Urban Renewal District. McCall City Code exempts businesses that participated in Urban Renewal
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Districts from parking requirements. The public currently comes to the Marina to put their boat in
the lake and then park in public parking with a boat trailer. The change with the project is that
those with a boat slip will have no reason to congest parking with a trailer because their boat will
already be in the water.
Mayor Giles called for public comment at 7:15p.m.
Written comments received are included as Attachment 2.
John Lewinski, 606 Syringa Dr
Mr. Lewinski noted working at the water treatment plan for 15 years and has seen turbidity issues
increase over the years. Mr. Lewinski expressed that the Marina project is going to have an impact
on water turbidity especially with the construction happening at the water intake and asked the
City Council to put off the construction of the project until the water treatment plant is improved.
David Gallipoli, 405 Floyd St
Mr. Gallipoli asked the City Council to deny the application noting pollution to the lake, increased
greenhouse gasses and failure to meet zoning standards including detriment to health safety and
welfare impact, harmful impact to the lake and shoreline, unreasonable traffic, and pollution and
noise. Additionally, adding more boats disrupts the tranquility of the lake. Mr. Gallipoli
additionally asked the City Council to listen to the science regarding lake pollution that comes
with adding more boats to the lake and expressed that the public boardwalk is not an acceptable
tradeoff for water quality.
Claudia Delaney, 1303 Mill Rd
Ms. Delaney expressed that the boat survey may not be fact and the survey does not predict future
boat use. Ms. Delaney additionally asked the City Council to deny the application noting the
Source Water Protection Plan and the Comprehensive Plan. Ms. Delaney believes the project will
have a negative impact on the community with more water and air pollution and increased potential
for spills, turbidity and traffic congestion.
Ed Elliot, 1840 Warren Wagon Rd
Mr. Elliot read a letter from Ann Loyd Edwards noting that Ms. Edwards lives in the house she
was born in on Payette Lake and she is 90 years old. Ms. Edwards has lived in McCall for 90 years
and enjoys the clear lake water and has taught many kids how to swim in the lake, but the impact
of motorized boats has made swimming in the lake unsafe. Ms. Edwards requested that the City
Council deny the application as it is dangerous and unnecessary.
Mr. Elliot also made personal comments noting serving time on the Payette Lakes Recreational
Water and Sewer District Board during the time the sewer system was being put in the lake and
the threat at that time was human waste. Before the improvements to the system there were obvious
leaks from septic systems into the lake. There have been profound changes to the lake with
increased boat traffic and the byproduct of burning fossil fuels on the lake. Mr. Elliot asked the
City Council how often the water is tested for by products of fossil fuels. The greatest concern is
climate change, 2023 was the hottest year on record and the snowpack is shrinking across the
northern hemisphere. Mr. Elliot expressed that there is zero data to back up the applicants' claim
that the increased slips will not increase boat traffic on the lake. Additionally, Mr. Elliot
passionately expressed that the Climate Action Plan is essentially meaningless if the Marina
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Expansion is approved, and this moment is a defining moment for the community. Will the
community be part of the problem or part of the solution?
Nancy Basinger, 302 Mather Rd
Ms. Basinger noted being impressed with the accessibility of meetings for the public and seeing
the City Council's desire to do what is best for the community at large. Ms. Basinger noted
appreciation for the attention to detail of the proposed construction and the inclusion of a public
boardwalk but questioned the idea of the increased Marina footprint not putting increased boats on
the lake. The benefits to the community do not outweigh the potential danger to the water quality.
Sadie Noah, 481 Tim Street
Ms. Noah thanked the City Council for the opportunity to comment and spoke in favor of the CUP.
The Marina Expansion is an incredible opportunity for a private business to create a legacy project
for McCall. Ms. Noah has an office downtown and enjoys spending time walking by the Marina
to Brown Park. Additionally, Ms. Noah noted visiting Coeur d'Alene and the incredible public
boardwalk that is connected to City parks. The accessibility of the boardwalk is a major
improvement to benefit the community.
Joey Petri, 225 Valley Springs Rd
Mr. Petri noted that Mr. Millemann gave a very detailed report but expressed that the City is going
in the wrong direction. There needs to be boats taken out of the lake not put into the lake. If boats
are going to be added to the lake, then human and wind power boats need to be encouraged over
powered boat users.
Tuck Miller, 437 Willhelm Creek Ct
Mr. Miller noted reading the entire application and passionately expressed that City staff did not
do quality work. Mr. Miller specifically noted the letter from Parks and Recreation Director Kurt
Wolf expressing that the additional slips will not increase boat traffic. Additionally, the greenhouse
gas inventory was presented to the City Council two weeks ago by City Staff. Mr. Miller reviewed
how much greenhouse gases will be emitted by the additional boats using the City of McCall
Greenhouse Gas Inventory calculations, 90 boats will emit 810,000 to 1M pounds of CO2 annually.
Research on wakeboard boats shows that new model boats will be putting exhaust into water
instead of air so that the surfer does not have to breathe it in.
Lynn Lewinski, 713 Broken Rien
Ms. Lewinski asked that the City Council consider the water quality and future of the lake when
making a decision.
Deb Fereday, 315 Burns Rd
Ms. Fereday noted that the Big Payette Lake Water Quality Council (BPLWQC) is a volunteer
board and did meet with the applicant and representative and the BPLWQC is opposed to the
project. Ms. Fereday passionately expressed that the City and County need to be more proactive
about the water quality and get a lake management plan in place. There needs to be enforceable
regulations on the lake. Ms. Fereday suggested implementing a launch fee and one day of non -
motorized activity on the lake. Additionally, Ms. Fereday noted that the BPLWQC missed the
notification for the Idaho Department of Lands meeting and were not notified of the meeting by
other means.
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Tom Forestell, 1303 Warren Wagon Rd
Mr. Forestell expressed being shocked that the project has gotten as far as it has, the current
standards are not enough. The application should not move forward without adequate studies and
none of the new slips should be considered for rental if the project moves forward. The project
will impact wildlife and water quality. What is the benefit to the people who live, work and recreate
in the area? Additionally, the facts in the application are only supported by non -official information
and not official studies. Mr. Forestell encouraged the City Council to carefully consider the matter
and require additional studies to determine the impact on the lake and the quality of life of citizens
and visitors. Traffic on the lake and in town has increased and will continue to increase with the
approval of the project.
Melissa Forestell, 1303 Warren Wagon Rd
Ms. Forestell noted being a part time resident of McCall since the 1990s and voiced concern on
the impact of the project on the lake. Payette Lake is the crown jewel of McCall, and the focus
should be on the preservation of the lake. Additionally, boating deaths surged nearly 25% in 2020
compared to 2019, boats sold to first time buyers increased but boating safety decreased. Ms.
Forestell expressed that the survey conducted on the slip waitlist members is insufficient. Boaters
will be on the lake more when they have easier access to their boats. Ms. Forestell also noted an
increase in paddleboards, kayaks and swimmers on the lake and there are safety concerns with
more motorized boats on the lake mingling with non -motorized users.
Matt Murphy, 957 Flynn Lane
Mr. Murphy expressed appreciation for everyone's stance on the project. Mr. Murphy has been
living in McCall for a long time and has a boat in the Marina. Positive first impressions of McCall
have increased with Legacy Park and Brown Park improvements. People come to McCall in the
summer for the lake. Additionally, as Boise and the surrounding areas grow, so does the use of
McCall. Coeur d'Alene has a very similar Marina with a boardwalk. A boardwalk would add value
to the area and community. Mr. Murphy also noted that most people who have slips are tax paying
homeowners. Additionally, Mr. Murphy disagrees with the idea that adding slips will increase boat
traffic. Even if the Marina was removed it wouldn't decrease the number of boats on the lake. The
City needs to profit from the assets of the lake and implement fees for the boat launch area and use
those funds to improve infrastructure around water treatment. The breakwater is currently terrible
and unsafe.
David Cranes, 3855 Warren Wagon Rd
Mr. Cranes expressed support for the proposed expansion of the Marina and expressed that the
project is in the best interest of the citizens of McCall and visitors. Mr. Cranes currently has a slip
at the Marina. The project will have a positive impact to enjoy the lake and cut down on traffic at
the boat ramp. The boardwalk would benefit those without boats to enjoy the lake on the lake and
not from the edge of the lake. Mr. Cranes expressed that the applicant has been proactive instead
of reactive in handling the application.
Barb Schwenk, 1329 Greystone
Ms. Schwenk is in support of the Marina expansion and noted that the project will be an asset to
the City.
John Schwenk, 1329 Greystone
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Mr. Schwenk expressed being in support of the Marina expansion and noted that growth is coming
to Idaho. Mr. Schwenk has lived in Idaho his whole life and expressed that the City needs to
channel growth and use it as an opportunity. Mr. Schwenk is a boat owner with a slip at the Marina
and noted that the lake is calm in the evenings. Additionally, boats in the Marina pose less risk of
invasive species being added to the lake. There is very limited public access on the lake and the
Marina expansion will tie in well with the improvements to Legacy Park and Brown Park as well
as provide an opportunity for the public to enjoy the lake.
Peter Blanton, 1357 Greystone
Mr. Blanton expressed support for the Marina expansion and is a current slip holder at the Marina.
The project will benefit the citizens and tourists. Improvement to the breakwater will add an
amenity to the lake for people who do not have boats to enjoy the lake. Mr. Blanton believes the
applicant has been diligent in working with staff and seeking the appropriate approvals at the State
level.
Loretta Olmstead, 507 Sunset St
Ms. Olmstead expressed support for the Marina expansion. The breakwater improvement is needed
to prevent damage to boats housed in the Marina. Ms. Olmstead has been a Marina slip renter for
over 20 years and noted improvements previously made when the current owner took over the
Marina. Additionally, weekends are congested at the boat ramp and more slips will help alleviate
the congestion. Ms. Olmstead expressed being impressed by the applicant's due diligence. The
City cannot stop progress but can plan for it.
Dean Hastrider, 1325 Greystone Dr
Mr. Hastrider expressed being in favor of the expansion and thanked the City Council for the work
done by the City Council. Mr. Hastrider expressed that 90 additional boat slips equate to 90 less
trailers parked on the streets. Every weekend of the summer there are trailers parked on the City
streets. Mr. Hastrider has a slip at the Marina and noted that the Marina is full most of the time.
Additionally, 90 extra slips do not equal 90 boats on the water every day. The addition of the
boardwalk is an amazing asset to the community and the Marina is an asset without the
improvements. The service provided at the Marina is amazing with the best trained employees.
Christy Tresham, 1791 Warren Wagon
Ms. Tresham has been a full-time resident of McCall for two years and is a first -year slip owner
after being on a waiting list. The Marina has amazing employees and owners. Ms. Tresham
expressed support for the expansion and the boardwalk for the community. Additionally, most of
the time boats sit in the slips and do not utilize the lake as often as those who launch their boats.
Susan Farber, 302 Mather Rd A8
Ms. Farber is strongly in favor of the expansion, particularly for the boardwalk. Ms. Farber has
watched the lake for over 70 years and is familiar with the lake. Additionally, Ms. Farber hopes
the City Council will address non -motorized utilization of the lake and safety. Ms. Farber has a
pontoon boat at the Marina and expressed the importance of ADA accessibility to the lake noting
that the board walk will have a huge impact on the disabled community.
Dan Largent, 1085 Chip Shot Dr
Mr. Largent has been a McCall resident for 16 years and is in favor of the Marina Expansion. Mr.
Largent noted spending time at the Marina in the summertime and expressed how the boardwalk
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would be a great asset to the City. Additionally, most boats stay parked in the Marina and the
expansion will take pressure off the neighborhood parking and boat launch traffic.
Hearing no further comments, Mayor Giles closed public comments at 8:32 p.m.
The City Council took a break returning at 8:46 p.m.
Mayor Giles expressed distaste for a negative comment regarding the 3 -minute time limit for
public comments and how the applicant should only get a 3 -minute rebuttal. Attorney Nichols
noted that the applicant has a right to address comments made both written and oral and state law
provides that the response by the applicant cannot be limited.
Parks and Recreation Director Kurt Wolf also responded to comments made by the public. Director
Wolf noted that the Parks Department and the Marina have had a long and positive relationship,
and the Marina expansion has been discussed for years, including the non -motorized area next to
the Marina. There is an issue on the lake as it relates to capacity and the types of users but projects
like the expansion are a great opportunity to educate and manage capacity and user types into the
future. It is unlikely that additional public shoreline will be acquired by the City and the boardwalk
is a great addition in place of additional public shoreline. Director Wolf noted the maintenance
costs of the boat launch and how the revenue the City receives from the Marina helps offset the
costs of the boat launch maintenance. Additionally, the maintenance of the public areas the
expansion will improve and be maintained by the applicant and a maintenance agreement will
come back to the City Council for approval if the application moves forward. A launch fee at the
boat ramp was researched as part of the Parks, Recreation and Open Spaces Plan and staff plans
to bring further information to the City Council in the future.
Council Member Nielsen asked what the City's financial obligation is to the project. Director Wolf
noted that the only obligation of the City will be provided in the maintenance agreement that will
come back to the City Council in the future. Council Member Nielsen asked about the ADA access
and if the City will be funding the ADA access improvements needed. Director Wolf noted that the
Marina will build ADA access to the existing bike path. Council Member Nielsen asked how many
accessible parking spaces will be available in the vicinity of the ADA accessible ramp. Director
Wolf noted that without looking at the drawings a definitive answer cannot be provided but it does
make sense to provide ADA parking spaces near the ADA access.
Applicant Representative Steve Millemann addressed the City Council in rebuttal to public
comments. The expectation of the applicant is zero City financial contribution to the project
construction including any ADA facilities to the street. Additionally, Mr. Millemann noted that the
City engineer has been extremely involved in addressing the turbidity concerns surrounding the
project. The testimony demonstrates the importance of efforts by Valley County, having primary
jurisdiction over the lake, to continue work on the management plan and understanding how to
address user conflicts on the lake is critical but does not specifically affect the application.
Mr. Millemann also noted the expert analysis included with the application addressing the turbidity
issue brought up during testimony. The Department of Environmental Quality has received '
notification of the application and has not commented negatively on the application. Additionally
addressed was the survey of current slip owners and those on the slip wait lists. Even if the new
slips are filled with all new boat owners, the Waterways Management Plan concludes that there
continues to be capacity on Payette Lake. There will be days when the lake is congested,
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specifically holidays. Mr. Millemann reviewed user satisfaction from data and statistics in the
Waterways Management Plan. Mr. Millemann used Hayden Lake as an example of how the Marina
can focus on education and regulation of depth of water to manage the lake. Education of boaters
is included in the Waterways Management Plan. Additionally, Mr. Millemann reviewed the
evidence in front of the City Council and how the application meets the CUP criteria, noting that
a lot of attention has been given to the water intake next to the Marina. The applicant endorses the
implementation of a launch fee at the boat ramp. The application is consistent with the City's
Comprehensive plan and there has not been one public comment about neighborhood detriment,
but many comments expressed the possible positive parking impact the project will have. Mr.
Millemann asked that the City Council follow the correct process in reviewing the records that are
part of the public hearing and apply the records to the twelve standards in the City Code.
Council Member Nelson asked for legal counsel's advice on the lease agreement for the Marina in
regard to additions to the Marina. Attorney Nichols noted that the term in the lease makes it clear
that there cannot be any expansion of the Marina without going through the proper processes in
the code and does not bind the City Council to a predetermined decision for any application as
each application has to stand or fall on its own. The language in the lease is more of a warning to
the Marina that there cannot be an expansion without following proper procedures.
Attorney Nichols additionally reviewed public hearing procedure and noted that if the City Council
has questions that will factor into the Council's deliberations, it is preferred that those questions
are asked while the public hearing is open so that there is an opportunity to have those questions
answered by the applicant or staff. For example, questions that may be applied to the criteria for
the CUP.
Council Member Nielsen noted that there have been a lot of comments on the factual and hard
evidence impacts and expressed that it is factual that the expansion will allow more boats on the
lake. 90 new slips will mean 90 less trailers being parked but that also allows 90 more trailers to
have parking and suggests an environmental impact. Where is the proof that there will be fewer
boats on the lake? Mr. Millemann reviewed the survey of slip waiting list members and noted not
having stated that there will be less boats on the lake. There is no record to equate 90 more boats
to environmental damage and the Waterways Management Plan has data on the capacity of the
lake, even if 90 more boats are added to the lake there is no drastic impact to the capacity of the
lake. Additionally, Boats will find a way on the lake regardless of approval of the application.
Council Member Nielsen noted that everyone is in agreement on the goal to protect the lake but at
what point does the City draw the line and take action to curb the impact the human factor is having
on the lake. Denying the application is not going to solve environmental issues but it is one piece
of the problem and if the City does not openly invite more boats to the lake, the City can make a
statement that the lake is important to the community, more important than money. Mr. Millemann
expressed that denying the application is a small blow in favor of protecting the lake. The applicant
also cares about the lake and has gone above and beyond requirements and hired experts to analyze
issues that were presented during the application process. The expansion is also a tremendous
public benefit. Denying the application is not going to have an effect on the issues the lake may
face. The community needs to work with Valley County, as the jurisdictional entity, on
implementing the Waterways Management Plan to eliminate any degradation of the lake. Council
Member Nielsen expressed appreciation for the applicant's efforts put into the application.
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Council Member Thrower asked Mr. Milleman if the Waterways Management plan addresses the
environmental capacity of the lake in terms of fuel load, wake boats and turbidity. Mr. Millemann
highlighted Hayden Lake Marina and how the Marina has had a positive impact on water shed
environmental impact mitigation even with a much more heavily developed water shed than
McCall. Hayden Lake Marina limits the environmental impacts of wake boats through regulation
of depth of use with 90% cooperation and instituted a water shed taxing district to have the funds
to implement programs to address environmental concerns. The Waterways Management plan does
not address the environmental capacity of the lake.
Council Member Thrower asked about the depth of the break water. Council Member Maciaszek
noted that the depth is at least 50 feet. Council Member Maciaszek participated in the creation of
the Waterways Management Plan and noted that the plan includes implementing no wake zones
and depth concerns are included in the plan as well. Council Member Maciaszek expressed that
the application in front of City Council is a land use application and is not about whether or not
Valley County should be putting in buoys at 500 feet. Council Member Nielsen also asked about
exhaust going into the water. Council Member Maciaszek noted that there are two discussions
happening, one about the application and one about protecting the lake which is not related to the
application. The number of boats on the lake will be the number of boats on the lake regardless of
the application. The City Council needs to stay focused on the application. The application is not
about whether or not a wake boat or an old sailboat with a leaking motor is the issue. Council
Member Nielsen noted that 90 more boats on the lake is 90 more boats on the lake. Council
Member Maciaszek passionately expressed that anyone could come and trailer a boat into the lake
at any time regardless of the application outcome. Mr. Millemann again asked the City Council
not to base findings on speculation and to rely on the evidence and records provided.
Council Member Nelson moved to Close the Public Hearing. Council Member Nielsen
seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council Member Nelson, Council Member Nielsen,
Mayor Giles, Council Member Maciaszek, and Council Member Thrower all voted aye, and
the motion carried.
Council Member Nelson expressed an interest in continuing deliberations to a future meeting as
there is a lot of information to consider. Additionally, Council Member Nelson expressed concern
on how the application aligns with CUP requirements when it comes to causing any damage to a
natural resource.
Council Member Maciaszek expressed that the application goes back to planning documents and
years of planning with community input. Community access has been in the plans for years around
the Marina. Additionally, the City is fortunate to have Kurt Wolf as the Parks and Recreation
Director always working towards the goals outlined in the Comprehensive Plan. The
Comprehensive Plan took years of public input and captures the desires of the community. The
application meets the concepts in the City planning documents. Additionally, the breakwater needs
improvements, and a wave attenuator could make a big difference in turbidity of the area. Council
Member Maciaszek expressed that the application meets the code requirements for the criteria of
a CUP. The Planning and Zoning commission put in the time and effort in reviewing the application
and unanimously recommended approval. A lot of the public input received relates to larger
community issues and not the application directly.
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Council Member Thrower expressed interest in more time to review the application. Council
Member Nielsen agreed. Additionally, the fact is that 90 more boats will be floating in the water
regardless if those boats are used on the lake or sit in the slips. The City needs to start making an
effort to curb the impact on drinking water and the asset that provides a livelihood for so many in
the community. Council Member Nielsen also agreed with Council Member Maciaszek that the
application meets the criteria of a CUP. The line of questioning and comments conclude that the
community wants to have conversation regarding the quality of the lake. Boats can sit on the water
and not be used or be used every day. The City needs to start making some effort to curb the impact
on drinking water and the assets that provides for so many in the community. Council Member
Nielsen agrees with Council Member Maciaszek that the application meets the criteria of a CUP,
but it could also be argued that there may be long term negative economic impact should the
condition of the lake deteriorate.
Mayor Giles agreed with Council Member Maciaszek on the application meeting the criteria of a
CUP and also agrees with the rest of the City Council that more time is needed to discuss the
application. There is a lot of data and public input to consider. The City Council needs to focus on
the application which is separate from boat launch fees and regulations on the lake.
Attorney Nichols cautioned the City Council on receiving any additional information because the
public hearing is closed. The City Council will need to not receive any additional information
regarding the application outside of the meeting and information in the record between now and
the February 8, 2024 meeting in order to follow state law.
Council Member Thrower moved to Table the matter for deliberation at the February 8,
2024 Council meeting. Council Member Nielsen seconded the motion. In a roll call vote
Council Member Thrower, Council Member Nielsen, Mayor Giles, Council Member
Maciaszek, and Council Member Nelson all voted aye, and the motion carried.
AB 24-011 Request to Approve a modification to the Development Agreement associated
with PUD-18-01 — Saint Luke's Planned Unit Development located at 1000 State
Street for the Construction of an Ambulance Shelter
Council Member Nelson has recused.
Council Member Nielsen moved to Open the Public Hearing. Council Member Thrower
seconded the motion. In a voice vote, all voted aye, and the motion carried.
City Planner Brian Parker presented to the City Council. An application to amend the Development
Agreement (second amendment) for the St. Luke's McCall Hospital Expansion (PUD-18-01) to
entitle an Ambulance Facility as an allowable use for the hospital site. During their regularly
scheduled November 7, 2023 meeting, the McCall Area Planning & Zoning Commission held a
properly noticed public hearing and unanimously recommended approval of the subject
application. During their regularly scheduled December 5, 2023 meeting, the McCall Area
Planning & Zoning Commission held a properly noticed public hearing and approved the Design
Review application for the proposed ambulance facility, conditioned on the City Council approval
of the development 'agreement modification.
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Council Member Nielsen asked if the modification would affect the snow storage or any previously
approved conditions. Planner Parker noted that the parking is a challenge in the area and the
modification does take away some parking. There will be a snow melt system installed in the
parking area to manage the snow storage.
The applicant did not elect to present.
Mayor Giles called for public comment at 9:52 p.m.
No public comments were received.
Council Member Maciaszek moved to Close the Public Hearing. Council Member Nielsen
seconded the motion. In a voice vote all voted aye, and the motion carried.
The City Council had no concerns regarding the application.
Council Member Maciaszek moved to approve PUD-18-01 the second amendment of the
Development Agreement for McCall Memorial Hospital District and authorize the Mayor to
sign all necessary documents. Council Member Thrower seconded the motion. In a roll call
vote Council Member Maciaszek, Council Member Thrower, Mayor Giles, and Council
Member Nielsen all voted aye, and the motion carried.
AB 24-012 Request to Uphold the McCall Area Planning & Zoning Commission Decision to
Deny AA -23-12 for the Use of Waterskis on the Roof of the Structure Located at 200
East Lenora Street
Attorney Nichols reviewed the City Council's process for the appeal of a planning and Zoning
Commission at the request of Mayor Giles. The City Council is to look at the record provided with
the appeal and public comments received. The question before the City Council is how the item
meets or does not meet the City Code. Does the structure as built meet the design standards in the
City code or not?
Council Member Nelson moved to Open the Public Hearing. Council Member Maciaszek
seconded the motion. In a voice vote, all voted aye, and the motion carried.
City Planner Brian Parker presented to the City Council. An appeal of the Administrator's decision
to deny an application to utilize waterskis as a roofing material. During their regularly scheduled
September 12, 2023 meeting, the McCall Area Planning & Zoning Commission unanimously
voted to uphold the Administrator's decision to deny the subject application. The applicant
requested to appealithe Planning & Zoning Commission's decision within 10 days of receiving the
signed Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Decision document reflecting the Commission's
decision. The Skis were installed before applying for approval with the City. The Application was
submitted after construction and staff determined that the materials did not meet City code design
requirements. Snow shedding is not a concern but there is concern for ice dam build up causing
the skis to pop off in the future but there is no way to know for sure since they were installed before
applying to the City or providing any plans. Clearly does not meet design standards and the
applicant has recognized. Public comment has been in favor of keeping the skis but is not possible
under the current code. The City Council can have a discussion at a later date about possible
changes to the design standards but that does not impact the decision in front of the City. Council.
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Council Member Maciaszek asked if there needs to be a change to the City Code and noted that
the City Council will not be addressing variances to the code on a case -by -case basis as it is not in
the best interest of the community.
Appellant Cade Huskinson presented to the City Council noting staff correctly explained how
events transpired and the skis were put up before applying to the City for approval. Mr. Huskinson
expressed being unsure of what the right avenue is to address the issue and chose to appeal as an
opportunity to have a discussion. There has been a huge outpouring of support from the community
to keep the skis in place. It is against code but does fit into the Comprehensive Plan and the vision
for the downtown core. Mr. Huskinson expressed that the skis were installed to tell the story of
what McCall is about. Additionally, the skis do shed the snow well compared to the previous
roofing material. Mr. Huskinson stated being told by the City Building Official John Powell that
the changes to the building did not need inspection or a permit. The weight of the skis is on the
infrastructure holding the skis and not on the roof. Mr. Huskinson is willing to take the skis down
at the end of every summer if necessary and keep them as a temporary art installation for safety
and is not denying that the skis do not meet City Code.
Mayor Giles thanked Mr. Huskinson for going through the process. The City Council generally
does not change code project by project. Regardless of the outcome of the decision Mayor Giles
wants to ensure that Mr. Huskinson feels valued as a business owner in the community. Council
Member Maciaszek expressed appreciated for the approach of the applicant. The City Council's
obligation is to decide if it meets the code, but the City Council can consider looking at changes
in the City Code at a later date. The City Council always wants to follow the community's wants
and needs and support businesses but also has a responsibility to follow the code. The City Council
questioned if the skis could be considered as public art.
Council Member Nielsen expressed excitement and appreciation that the applicant has brought an
appeal forward. Council Member Nielsen additionally expressed previous issues regarding the
design code and passionate views on the City Code and the Comprehensive Plan clashing. Council
Member Thrower noted that comments from the community express a problem with the code.
Additionally, Council Member Thrower expressed appreciation for regulation, but the community
has made it clear that there are some amendments to consider. Council Member Nielsen expressed
a need for a path for the applicant to take to move forward.
Mayor Giles noted the code revision may be a good topic at the City Council retreat if it is a priority
for the Council. Council Member Nelson agreed with other members of the City Council and
expressed that it is a priority when the public interest is clear. The skis are within the framework
of the town but not in the framework of the code. Council Member Maciaszek noted that staff are
accountable to the City Council and the code but do try to work with applicants. Council Member
Maciaszek also questioned if the ski installment could be considered public art. Community and
Economic Development Director Michelle Groenevelt added that there are specific adopted
policies related to public art but there is an opportunity to build in more flexibility in the code.
Additionally, it is important to be clear and intentional with code.
Mayor Giles summarized that the City Council has to make a decision based on the current City
Code and staff will help the City Council make amendments to the City Code at a future date in
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regard to design standards. Director Groenevelt expressed that looking at some policy change in
the future is the best avenue moving forward.
Mr. Huskinson noted that the skis have benefitted businesses by bringing people into the area of
1st Street and Lenora, especially when there is road construction that obstructs access to
businesses. Additionally, Mr. Huskins asked if there is an option for temporary approval while the
code is being amended. Council Member Nelson advised Mr. Huskinson to communicate with
staff to determine if there is a temporary approval option. City Manager Anette Spickard noted that
business signage is put out during construction to direct the public to impacted businesses using
alternative routes.
There were no in person or virtual comments received and written public comments are included
as Attachment 3.
Council Member Nelson moved to Close the Public Hearing. Council Member Nielsen
seconded the motion. In a roll call vote, all voted aye, and the motion carried.
Council Member Thrower noted that the City Council does not have much of a choice as the City
Council must uphold the code. Council Member Thrower additionally expressed that progress can
be made for the whole community even if the decision is upheld. Council Member Nelson agreed
that there is a potential way forward for the applicant even with the decision being upheld. Mayor
Giles, Council Member Maciaszek, and Council Member Nielsen agreed.
Council Member Thrower moved to uphold the McCall Area Planning & Zoning
Commission's decision to deny AA -23-12 and authorize the Mayor to sign all necessary
documents. Council Member Nelson seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council Member
Thrower, Council Member Nelson, Mayor Giles, Council Member Maciaszek, and Council
Member Nielsen all voted aye, and the motion carried.
BUSINESS AGENDA
AB 23-013 Request to Approve FP -23-04 — Final Plat of Simmons Street Townhomes for
Synergy Structures, LLC
City Planner Brian Parker presented to the City Council. An Application for A Subdivision Final
Plat to create a 5 -unit, mixed -use townhouse plat project including commercial workshop space
on the ground floor and residential space on the upper floor. During their regularly scheduled
November 7, 2023 meeting, the McCall Area Planning & Zoning Commission unanimously voted
to recommend approval of the subject application with the conditions of approval identified in the
Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision.
Council Member Maciaszek asked if all requirements have been met by the applicant. Planner
Parker affirmed that all requirements have been met.
Council Member Nelson moved to approve FP -23-04 for Synergy Structures, LLC with the
Conditions of Approval as identified in the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and
Decision and authorize the Mayor to sign all necessary documents. Council Member
Maciaszek seconded the motion. In a roll call vote Council Member Nelson, Council Member
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Maciaszek, Mayor Giles, Council Member Nielsen and Council Member Thrower all voted
aye, and the motion carried.
AB 24-014 Request to approve a Lease Agreement for the Tesla EV Supercharger (Level 3)
Project at 1st Street Parking Lot
Community and Economic Development Director Michelle Groenevelt presented to the City
Council. City staff have been working with Tesla about the opportunity to place Tesla Level 3
chargers in the City of McCall parking lot. Several public parking locations have been evaluated,
and it was determined that the 1st Street Parking Lot was the preferred location for the 4 chargers
(8 parking spaces). City Staff was directed to negotiate a lease agreement to bring back to the City
Council.
Director Groenevelt requested that the City Council table the request to approve a lease agreement
for the Tesla EV supercharger project to the January 25th meeting since the contract is not ready.
Council Member Nielsen asked if the delay was mutual. Director Groenevelt affirmed that the
delay was a mutual decision.
Council Member Maciaszek - moved to Table AB 24-014 Request to approve a Lease
Agreement for the Tesla EV Supercharger (Level 3) Project at 1st Street Parking Lot until
the January 25th City Council Meeting Council Member Nielsen seconded the motion. In a
voice vote, all voted aye, and the motion carried.
AB 23-263 Request Contract approval for Golf Course Clubhouse Ramp/Stairs project
Continued and Updated from the December 28, 2023 Council Meeting
Golf Superintendent Eric McCormick presented to the City Council. The Golf Course Clubhouse
ramp has been deteriorating for several years and is not up to ADA requirements. The clubhouse
is open year-round, has a leased -out restaurant (Banyans), and hosts Rotary once a week. The Golf
Course has received some funding through LOT to help with the ramp improvements. In Spring
of 2023 Staff went out to bid with hopes of rebuilding the ramp during the summer. Unfortunately,
because of the large number of projects in the area during the summer, only one bid was received,
and it was 80% over the estimate. Staff recommended and Council approved to reject the bid, staff
then went back out to bid. Three bids were received, and Crestline Engineers has completed the
evaluation of the bids and Staff has been working on project funding. There are not sufficient funds
budgeted to cover the bid alternate. Staff recommended that the City Council award the base bid.
The City Council had no questions or concerns regarding the contract for the Golf Course
Clubhouse Ramp/Stairs project.
Council Member Thrower moved to approve contract award to Falvey's LLC for the
Clubhouse Access improvements in the amount of $225,638; authorize the mayor sign all
necessary documents; and allow staff to manage change orders/modifications within 10% of
the original Contract amount. Council Member Nelson seconded the motion. In a roll call
vote Council Member Thrower, Council Member Nelson, Mayor Giles, Council Member
Maciaszek, and Council Member Nielsen all voted aye, and the motion carried.
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AB 24-008 Assignment of Council Liaison Duties 2024
In January of each year after a general election, the Council chooses, from its membership, liaisons
to serve on various community boards. As the liaison the Council Member attends each Board's
meeting, some are monthly, and some are quarterly. The Council Member will then report to the
whole Council, at their first Regular Meeting of each month, a brief accounting of what has
transpired at the various community organizations.
Mayor Giles suggested that the City Council table the matter until a meeting in February. Manager
Spickard noted that the item could be part of the City Council retreat. The City Council agreed.
Upcoming Meetings Schedule Discussion
The council discussed upcoming meetings.
ADJOURNMENT
Without further business, Mayor Giles adjourned the meeting at 10:47 p.m.
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January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting - General
Comment
ATTACHMENT 1
Name Address Email Content
Gail 675 Fox gailrankin6@gmail.com Thank you for this easy to use comment format. I say yes to the proposed
Rankin Ridge Tesla charging stations. This will be an invaluable resource and bring funds in.
Lane Please continue to plan and implement coordinated bike and walking paths
McCall ID throughout McCall. I am concerned about the bike lane eastbound on
83638 Deinhard that just dead ends at 3rd St/Highway 55. Most cyclists just ride
through this intersection using the traffic lights. This seems more dangerous
with the new R turn lane off Highway 55 and no marked bike lane on the
west side of the intersection. Wooley, Davis, Lake and 3rd streets could all
use more planning for bikes and walkers. Thank you for all your work. Gail
Rankin
Bruce 675 Fox jbrankin@mac.com EV Charging Stations: No charging station should be constructed without
Rankin Ridge adequate power capability to direct current fast chargers (DCFC at 150kW)
Lane and AC level 2 chargers (208v at 6kW). The proposed Tesla stations and
McCall ID location should be approved and other proposed public -use charging
83638 stations should comply with CFR, Title 23, 680.104 Human -powered
pathways: To encourage minimizing the use of fuel -powered vehicles, McCall
should have convenient and safe pathways for human powered transport. At
minimum, this should include safe corridors on the following
streets/intersections; Deinhard, 3rd, Lake, Mission/Norwood, Forest, Lenora,
Wooley, Davis, Warren Wagon, Lick Creek, Spring Mountain. Short Term
Rentals & Fire Code: Fire suppression systems should be mandated in short
term rentals that contain four (4) or more bedrooms or are licensed for more
than eight (8) occupants. The McCall Fire Department (MFD) does not (nor
should they be expected to) have the capability to do a timely/safe search for
occupants under conditions of smoke/fire in large structures. NFPA has
guidelines that should be adhered to.
Stacy 125 E stacy.ostler.md@gmail.com As an EV owner that has driven to or through McCall several times I ask that
Ostlet Howard you please expedite approval of the Tesla Superchargers proposed for
Lane McCall. Many EV owners are reluctant to take trips to McCall or beyond due
Boise iD to the lack of DC Fast Charging. Currently the most practical way of driving
83706 an EV between. North Idaho and Boise is to leave the state. You will boost
tourism and travel revenue by hosting Tesla and other EV charging stations.
Please help the EV community and insure the commercial future of McCall by
taking quick action to approve Tesla and other EV charging stations.
Rick 315 Burns aviator81t@gmail.com Gonna say it again! (5 years of pushing and nada). Set election to replace the
Fereday Rd McCall existing LOT for Short Term Rentals with a new one that raises the rates and
ID - hits anyone renting a residential house short term. Add 3% mininmum. We
Idaho are losing the worker housing battle.
83638
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL GENERAL COMMENTS
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January 11, 2023 PUBLIC HEARING _ Mile
High Marina Expansion
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Melissa 1303 Warren foerstelmelissa@gmail.com Against I am opposed to the Mile High Marina expansion for
Foerstel Wagon Rd the following reasons: The lake has already seen a
McCall ID significant increase in boat traffic since 2020 as more
83638 people have discovered McCall. With the increase in
population, there has been a noticeable increase in
motorized and non -motorized vessels on Payette Lake.
An increase in boats on the lake brings an increase in
safety risk to other boaters, paddle boarders, kayakers,
swimmers, etc. There are only 2 fuel pumps on the lake
which are busy now and cannot safely handle an
increase in volume. In addition, with the increase in
fuel demand, this also increase prices to customers.
The main public beach is adjacent to Mile High Marina
at Legacy Park; there are people swimming, paddle •
boarding, and kayaking next to the marina. It is also
the boat launch for boat rental companies, Cheap
Thrills and others, so there is a steady stream of speed
boats, pontoons and jet skis between the Marina and
Legacy Park and adding more slips would just increase
congestion in that area. REDUCED QUALITY OF
ENJOYMENT Adding more slips would only move the
traffic from the land to the lake, decreasing overall
enjoyment for patrons of the lake while likely not
decreasing the land traffic More boats causes more
waves for kayakers; paddle board users, and those
enjoying swimming or floating along the shoreline
More boats increase rates of erosion along the
shoreline, impacting waterfront property including the
Payette National Forest An increase in boats would
increase noise pollution; sound carries on the lake and
the peaceful enjoyment during the day and evening
would be negatively impacted from boat sounds and
loud music MORE STUDY AND INFORMATION IS
NEEDED BEFORE A DECISION IS MADE We do hot
believe there has been adequate due diligence prior to
this vote. To my knowledge, there have not been any
studies or surveys on the impact to the lake or lake
patrons including: 1) boat density study, 2) community
survey, 3) boater survey, or4) environmental impact
study. It seems the only one truly benefiting from this
expansion is Mile High Marina. Not only will they
increase their profit from the additional boat slips, they
will also see an increase in demand for fuel on the lake
and their boat storage on highway 55. Please vote "no"
on this expansion. We feel strongly that more
information is needed to make a thoughtful decision
that will impact the people of McCall and the pristine
alpine Payette Lake for years to come. We should be
protecting this precious natural resource and carefully
weighing this decision with proper due diligence. We
also think the public should be properly notified about
this meeting and the details of the marina expansion
prior to the vote on 1/11/24. Putting a public notice in
the local paper is not an adequate way to notify the
public in this day and age, particularly with the
majority of homeowners living elsewhere during the
second week of January. Thank you.
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Jennifer 3535 E jenwoodfield@hotmail.com Against I just heard about this today. It feels like there has
Toland Planet Drive been no public awareness about this possible change
Boise ID which is very unfortunate. I have concerns about this
83712 passing as it relates to increased pollution, increased
boat traffic on the lake, increased safety risk for
boaters, paddle boarders, kayakers; noise pollution
from loud music, shoreline erosion from more surf
boats, increased waves for those enjoying swimming
and floating along the shoreline, and increased lines at
the fuel pumps on the lake. The traffic on the lake is
eroding our shorelines and this would make things
much worse. Please consider the long term damage
this would cause.
Erik Toland 3535 E auburntiger95@gmail.com Against I have concerns about this passing as it relates to
Planet Drive increased pollution, increased boat traffic an the lake,
Boise ID increased safety risk for boaters, paddle boarders,
83712 • kayakers; noise pollution from loud music, shoreline
erosion from more surf boats, increased waves for
those enjoying swimming and floating along the
shoreline and increased lines at the fuel pumps on the
lake.
Mary Lou 176 Maki mlourush@gmail.com Against I am submitting these comments because I am
Rush Lane McCall concerned about water quality issues in Payette Lake
ID 83638 as well as other social and environmental concerns
with the expansion of the Mile High Marina. There is
already a congestion and parking problem in the
downtown of McCall in the summer and especially
around the Marina. Adding more slips will only
magnify this problem and the safety concerns
involved. User conflicts exist on the lake because of
more and more powerful motorized recreation. We are
rapidly losing our shoreline to erosion and noise from
watercraft, including loud music, water turbidity, and
large continuous wave make it hard for many of us to
enjoy the lake or shoreline. These conflicts will persist
and adding more motorized recreation won't help .
Safety and congestion issues will persist. More boats
mean more fuel in the water and a high chance of
pollution and the introduction of invasive species. The
city and the county do not have the staff, nor do they
have the money to successfully monitor lake activity.
All agencies of local government and citizen groups
need to work together to resolve this issue. I am very
much opposed to the expansion of the Marina without
these issues being addressed. Thank you.
Eris 405 do vista mochaeris@yahoo.com Against We do NOT need more traffic on the lake! It pollutes
Montchalin blvd mccall and it's dangerous among the many other reasons.
ID 83638
Kathy 1391
Sawdy Greystone
Dr Mccall ID
83638
ksawdy@yahoo.com
For I hope you will allow the expansion at the Marina at
Mile High ! Thank you for your consideration.
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Susan 1401 bechdelsusan@gmail.com Against I submit the following letter which was initially written
Bechdel Highway 55, to P&Z for what they advertised as a public hearing in
PO Box 477 November. However, they did not hold that public
McCall ID hearing (in violation of open meeting law) so I will just
83638 re -submit it to you. Please weigh P&Z's positive
recommendation in the context of NOT taking public
comment at that meeting. There were a number of
people who would have testified against it. Thank you
for your time and thorough consideration of this very
important issue. November 3, 2023 (and again January
2, 2024 to the McCall City Council) Brian Parker, City
Planner Planning and Zoning Commission: Robert
Lyons Ryan Kinzer Tom Mihlfeith Tony Moss Dana
Paugh Dave Petty Liz Rock Dear Commissioners, Thank
you for the opportunity to weigh in on the proposed
marina expansion: An expansion of this size would be
a significant change to our small lake and have a big
impact on our community. Fortunately, you have not
only City Code to guide your decision, but also the
newly adopted Waterways Management Plan. That
Plan, developed.in partnership with the City of McCall
and Valley County has the clearly stated purpose of
providing "guiding direction for future waterway
management and policy considerations". Now is the
time to use it. The Plan identifies primary metrics or
keystone indicators that will "be used to track progress
to achieve the desired future condition". That desired
condition is outlined for each water body. The desired
future condition of Payette Lake "is a significant
summer destination for Valley County tourism and a
variety of activities while continuing to protect our
headwaters". Applicable Keystone Indicators include
Incidents (violations), Feeling of Crowdedness, and
Carrying Capacity. These indicators were analyzed
during the two-year study period and nearly all require
mediation to reach the desired future condition.
Incidents were high, 113 warnings issued per year with
a desired maximum of 100. Those warnings are nearly
all attributed to motorboat violations. Over a third of
respondents said the lake was either moderately or
extremely overcrowded. The Plan acknowledges those
interviews were taken on a stormy summer day and on
a fall day, admitting the results are likely skewed to
show less feeling of crowdedness than normal
conditions would show. Clearly more boats would
worsen this problem. How will an expanded marina
impact these values? Primarily by crowding the lake
even more. More boats equal more congestion, more
parking issues, more risks with fueling and indirectly
changing the user satisfaction results and user
violations. When we have not even achieved the
desired condition, why would we make matters worse?
I'd like to focus on two issues in particular — the
crowding and carry capacity or user conflict.
CROWDING It has been said that 90 more slips result
in 90 fewer boats at the ramp. That might be true, but
there are far more boats heading for Payette Lake than
those 90. With over 7800 boats that register Valley
County as their primary or secondary place of use,
clearly the number of boats is not limited. Another
interesting value comes from a letter to your
commission from a man who has been on the wait list
for a slip since 2019 and is now just #214. Additionally,
when Cascade Lake drops or has algae blooms, those
boats come to Payette. 90 slips will not reduce any
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congestion or over -crowding. It will add to that. USER
CONFLICT/SOCIAL CARRYING CAPACITY User conflict
is a huge problem primarily caused by wake boats. The
number one priority strategy the Plan lists for Payette
is to prevent user conflict and protect our headwaters.
Testimony provided to the BOCC prior to adoption of
the last lake use ordinance confirms user conflict is
prevalent. Multiple testimonies stated that it is
impossible to sail, kayak, canoe, swim or even enjoy
sitting on a dock when the wake boats are active.
Conflicts include tipping those craft over, damaging
docks and injuring people on those docks. Several
locals said they sold their ski boats because they
couldn't use them safely anymore. The Plan defines
"Social Carrying Capacity" as "reached when conflict
arises or when users choose not to utilize the
resource". We are there now. Adding more boats will
make it worse. Other issues that need close attention
are limited parking, pump -out facilities and trash
receptacles. Additional bicycle parking will not be
adequate. Nobody will load their coolers, towels,
snacks, skis, and wake boards on their bike for a day
on the lake! The shading on the pier violates City Code
3.7.023 (A) and (C) in that it would partially block the
view across the lake and have an adverse impact on
the visual quality of its setting. The Big Payette Lake
Water Quality Act was enacted by the Idaho legislature
with the following intent. The legislature finds that the
waters of Big Payette Lake and its watershed are
threatened with deterioration due to expanding
residential development, greater public use and
growing land use activities, that these pressures may
endanger the drinkability, economic potential,
fisheries, natural beauty, recreational use, swimability
and wildlife values of the lake; that the state holds all
such public lakes in trust for the use of all its citizens;
that to preserve and protect such public lakes and to
increase and enhance the use and enjoyment of such
lakes is in the best interest of all the citizens of the
state; that natural lakes form an important basis of the
state's economy and that the increasing demand upon
the lake waters of this state require coordinated state
and local action to protect, preserve and improve the
water qualify [quality] of the lakes. That alarm was
sounded over two decades ago and we as a
community dependent on that lake and you as a
steward of it, owe Payette Lake our most dedicated
efforts to conserve its use and quality. Indicators show
extreme pressure on the lake and a clear need to
protect it for tourism, our economy and as our single
source of drinking water. Any obligation to provide
access to more boats or one commercial operation
pales in comparison. Thank you again for your time
and your dedicated interest to this very important
issue. Susan Bechdel 1401 Highway 55 McCall, ID
83638
Gail Rankin 675 Fox gailrankin6@gmail.com Against As a healthcare provider, I feel that toxins in our
Ridge Lane environment will be a critical long term issue for the
McCall ID health of all communities. Wakeboats and other fuel
83638 powered boats are a detriment to the environment in
general and specifically to water quality in Payette lake.
I would like to see wakeboats banned from the lake
and would vote against expansion of the marina.
Thank you.
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Bruce 675 Fox jbrankin@mac.com Against Expansion of Mile High Marina is antithetical to
Rankin Ridge Rd maintaining a healthy lake. Working towards
McCaII ID eliminating fuel -powered boats from Payette Lake
83638 should be the goal of community members and
elected officials.
Matt 957 Flynn matt@earhero.com For The current breakwater is terrible and dangerous. The
Murphy Lane McCall city should be charging non residents a boat launch
ID 83638 fee.
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Randy Fox 311 E. Lake rfox@idahoconservation.org Against January4, 2024 McCall City Council Members Mr. Bob
St. McCall Giles, Mayor Mr. Colby Nielsen, Council President Mr.
Idaho 83638 Lyle Nelson, Councilor Ms. Jute Thrower, Councilor Mr.
Mike Maciaszek, Councilor 216 East Park Street McCall,
ID 83638 (208) 634-7142 Submitted Electronically via
McCall City Council Comments Portal RE: Idaho
Conservation League's Comments Regarding the
Proposed Expansion of Mile High Marina Dear McCall
City Council Members: Thank you for the opportunity
to provide comments regarding the proposed
expansion of Mile High Marina on Payette Lake,
McCall, Idaho. Since 1973, the Idaho Conservation
League (ICL) has been Idaho's voice for clean water,
clean air and wilderness —values that are the
foundation for Idaho's extraordinary quality of life. ICL
protects these values through public education,
outreach, advocacy and policy development. As
Idaho's largest state -based conservation organization,
we represent over 25,000 members and supporters,
many of whom have a deep personal interest in
protecting our state owned waterways: ICL
understands the importance of Mile High Marina to
McCall's tourism industry and economy, and we
appreciate the support and benefits Mile High Marina
provides to the community and West Central Idaho.
However, we have several concerns and
recommendations regarding the proposed marina
expansion, most of which relate to potential impacts to
the water quality of Payette Lake, McCall's sole
drinking water source. Prior to beginning construction
for any proposed marina expansion that includes
additional boat slips, Mile High Marina must acquire
an encroachment permit from the Idaho Department
of Lands (IDL), as defined in the Lake Protection Act,
Idaho Code, Title 58, Chapter 13, and IDAPA 20.03.04.
The permit and associated Idaho code are meant to
ensure that fish and wildlife habitat, neighboring
private property, recreation, aesthetic beauty, and
water quality are given due consideration when
weighed against an economic need or justification.
There are also several provisions that must be met in
order for IDL to issue a permit, or for the McCall City
Council to approve the proposed expansion: A
commercial marina must have 50% of the slips
available to the public Slips may not be supported by
extra piling Membership in a club or organization is
not required to use the marina The marina must
comply with local parking ordinances; if none are
adopted, the marina must provide: 1 parking space per
2 public water craft or float home moorages 1 parking
space per moorage for each moorage tied to specific
parking spaces Foam is discouraged in slip and dock
construction, but if it is used it must be completely
encased and resistant to rodents. We understand that
Mile High Marina is exempt from the parking
provisions described above as per McCall City Code
3.4.061 (D), which states that, "Improvement District or
Renewal District Exemption: Commercial, business
park, or industrial uses within former or current
business improvement district or urban renewal
districts are exempt from providing off street parking
as required by this section and section 3.8.062 of this.
title (Ord. 923, 5-22-2014; amd ord. 1009, 10-6-2022)".
However, parking is extremely limited in downtown
McCall and the existing marina -associated parking lot
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is often at, or exceeding, capacity. We recommend
that, even though exemptions are in place, the City
works with Mile High Marina to proactively identify
potential off -site parking, as well as a plan to provide
adequate shuttle service (if it is applicable) to and from
said off -site parking. This would reduce high traffic
patterns in the area and contribute to combating
climate change through the reduction of fossil fuel
use. Having an established shuttle system for off -site
parking would help reduce and eliminate potential
impacts associated with increased fossil fuel use.
According to previous testimony and reporting, we
understand that the additional slips are meant to meet
an existing demand from marina users who currently,
and consistently, recreate on Payette Lake, and that
the additional slips will go towards clearing names
from a slip waiting list. We concur that if this isindeed
the case, there would not be an exponential parking
and/or traffic increase. However, we are concerned
that an inordinate number of the new slips could be
assigned to commercial rental units, therefore not
meeting the demand previously noted. We
recommend that the City Council obtain assurances
that the proposed slips would, in fact, meet existing
demand and fulfill the current slip waiting list. While
some slips could eventually be dedicated to rental
units, we recommend that the City Council establish a
limit to the number available to store rental boats or
jet skis. We are also concerned that the proposed dock
size and increased number of boat slips (90 new slips)
could potentially impair the ecological function of the
nearshore habitat. Increased slips equate to additional
boat use, which .directly correlates to the increased
potential introduction of invasive species such as zebra
mussels, quagga mussels, and milfoil. Given the recent
discovery of quagga mussels in the Snake River,
preventing the introduction of these invasive species is
critical. We recommend that any marina expansion
includes a boat. inspection station with an attached or
reasonably accessible cleaning station. The cleaning
station should have a liquid capture system that does
not connect, either directly or indirectly, to Payette
Lake or the City's water system. Additional threats to
water quality and aquatic habitats include nutrient
pollution, particularly from nitrates and phosphates.
These nutrients are not only introduced, but are
present in the natural substrate and sediments of West
Central Idaho. Boat propellers and wave/wake action
are directly linked to sediment disturbance and
entraining the sediment in the water column.
Increased nutrients are directly linked with toxic algae
outbreaks, which commonly occur at Cascade
Reservoir, and are of increasing concern for Payette
Lake. In the summer of 2022, DEQ received reports of
potential toxic algae in Payette Lake's North Beach
vicinity. Fortunately, the algae was not toxic but does
serve to remind us that nutrient loads combined with
warming temperatures and climate change are factors
we must not ignore and should proactively address.
Expanded boating opportunities, particularly
motorized wake and ski boats, is likely to lead to
increased nutrients and sediment disturbance. Idaho
water quality standards for nutrients are narrative and
without numeric values associated with the standards.
However, the standards clearly indicate that waters
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must remain free of nuisance floating debris or weeds,
which can become problematic in developed areas of
the Lakeshore and shallow waters near the shoreline.
As we reference above, boat propellers and wave/wake
action entrain sediment in the water column,
contributing to an increased risk of potential toxic
algae outbreaks which would directly impact water
quality and McCall's drinking water source. Propellers
and wave/wake action also contribute to erosion,
which is already impacting Payette Lake and the
surrounding shoreline. All systems have a carrying
capacity that allows for natural and safe function, from
anthropogenically constructed features such as roads
and highways to natural habitats. Payette Lake is no
different, and there is a carrying capacity for the lake
that should be based on preservation of natural
resources and aquatic systems, safe travel and use
patterns, vessel density for enjoyment, and the ability
to operate a variety of motorized and non -motorized
craft. In order to construct a new breakwater, slips, and
accompanying proposed boardwalk, pilings and other
materials will need to be either driven into the lake
bottom or tied to the lake bed using other methods.
These construction activities will not only entrain
sediment into the water column, thereby increasing
the risk of a toxic algae outbreak, but could also
possibly release other chemicals or toxic materials
associated with the lumber mills that operated in the
vicinity until 1977 that are captured in the lakebed
sediment. Several iterations of the lakeside lumber
mills burned and were subsequently rebuilt. It is
possible that toxic materials emanating from the
burned mills were redeposited in the lake through
active fire fighting activities, de- and re -construction,
and natural weather -associated runoff. We
recommend that the City require an environmental
analysis of the proposed construction area to
determine the chemical and physical makeup of the
lake bottom. Entraining chemicals or potential toxic
materials in the general water column is not the only
consideration. We are also concerned that these
materials could be sucked into the City's potable water
system through an intake pipe/pump that is located in
the near vicinity of the proposed expansion. Should
this happen, the consequences and community
impacts could be severe. Additional water quality
concerns include human waste disposal, particularly
for "cabin cruisers" or boats with onboard restroom
facilities. Mile High Marina should include a plan for
sewage pump out facilities that are adequate to serve
the additional boats associated with the proposed new
slips. Further, there should be adequate upland
restroom facilities available to handle the increased
traffic and use. OII, gas, and other petroleum products
can also be problematic and adversely affect Payette
Lake water quality. The potential for spills becomes
exponentially higher when one introduces a dock -
based fueling station, as is proposed for the marina
expansion. Mile High Marina's expansion proposal
should contain a hazardous materials response,
containment, and clean up plan with on -site
containment materials adequate to meet a moderate
to large -sized spill of hazardous materials. While
McCall Fire Department is trained to deploy
containment buoys and conduct initial response
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actions related to hazardous material spills, the nearest
fully trained and qualified hazardous materials team is
located in Boise, with a response time of at least 2.5 to
3 hours. With increased use comes increased risk, and
we recommend that the McCall City Council work with
Mile High Marina to develop a plan that will
proactively address these inherent risks. An adequate
environmental analysis of the proposed construction
would also help identify hazardous spill containment
needs and protocols, aiding McCall City Council and
Mile High Marina by identifying potential risks and
measures to mitigate or alleviate those risks.
Construction materials used for the proposed
expansion could also impact water quality and the
City's drinking water system. For example, we
recommend forgoing the use of pressure -treated or
chemically treated lumber during construction as the
associated chemicals can leach into the water and
adversely affect living organisms and, if pulled into the
drinking water system, the chemicals could impact
human health and safety. We recommend the City of
McCall require any construction materials to be long-
lasting and free from emitting chemicals or toxins
through leaching or off -gassing processes. The past 3
years have demonstrated an increased demand for
recreation opportunities throughout the state and the
West. Oftentimes that increased demand is also
inextricably linked to increased impacts. While it makes
sense to increase capacity and ability to meet these
demands in some instances, in others the increased
capacity leads only to additional increased demand.
No matter the Council's decision on this matter, a
larger question remains: what is the effective carrying
capacity of Payette. Lake for continued recreation
enjoyment and assured high water quality? We
recommend the City, through the Planning and Zoning
Department and the Parks and Recreation Department,
and in conjunction with other agencies and
stakeholders, contract for or complete and in-house
study that determines the safe carrying capacity of
Payette Lake in order to side step or avoid entirely
future scenarios and situations such as the current
expansion application. ICL agrees that Mile High
Marina cannot be held responsible for "fixing" or
alleviating current conditions that impair or potentially
threaten Payette Lake water quality through this
proposed expansion. However, the public and the
community can, and should, expect that the proposed
expansion does not contribute to additional or future
poor water quality or ecosystem threats. We once
more extend our gratitude and appreciation for the
opportunity to comment on the proposed Mile High
Marina expansion, for your diligent review of the
proposal, and your valuable consideration of Payette
Lake's water quality and health. If you have any
questions regarding these comments and
recommendations, please do not hesitate to contact
me. Respectfully submitted, Randy Fox Conservation
Associate Idaho Conservation League
rfox@idahoconservation.org (208) 345-6933 x 510
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Rachael 14197 Hwy rachael_dugan@yahoo.com Against Yes we need more docks, but our concern with this
lkola 55 McCall ID project is the marinas lack of parking for their guests
83638 and not having a solution to help with the matter
other than taking space from the rest of the public.
Also, the other concern is the amount of motorized
traffic mixed in with non -motorized traffic in this area. I
think the north area of Marina needs developed first
for non -motorized recreational use, and the parking
being solved before an expanded Marina is approved.
Laura 3710 Warren idchik5@gmail.com Against 1/5/24 Letter to McCall City Council Re: Marina
Shealy Wagon Road Expansion Application I entrust the McCall City Council
McCall ID and staff to do everything you legally can to plan for
83638 the future health of Payette Lake and the drinking
water for McCall. I also entrust you with the foresight
to manage growth and lake health as your number
one goal to assure a sustainable economy now and in
the future. The Marina Expansion represents an
opportunity to establish smart growth policies. The
Waterways Management Plan gives you/all the
backbone to develop policies, monitor growth, and
stick to the goal of the lake as an economic engine for
McCall. I have a family cabin on the lake. It was built in
1937. Our family has considered selling the cabin
before the lake becomes eutrophic or before the
motorized boat traffic, wave erosion of the beach,
property damage, noise pollution and solitude cease
to exist. We are getting closer to this moment. I write
this because the lake is changing. There may come a
time when the attractiveness of the lake recedes and
that dependable economic engine for McCall will fade.
It is imperative that the City begin today to develop
the policies, guardrails, investments (storm water
runoff downtown), milfoil/invasive species prevention
plan, support of sheriff and staff to monitor the lake
activity, intensive monitoring of lakefront
development, scientific studies that support long term
lake health, lake capacity studies etc. I support all
these efforts and will stand firmly by the City of McCall
in your substantial responsibility to manage growth.
Sincerely, Laura Shealy 3710 Warren Wagon Rd.
McCall, ID
LeeAnn 3710 Warren Iberry4@mac.com Against 1/5/24 Letter to McCall City Council Re: Marina
Johnson Wagon Rd Expansion Application Dear City Council, The
Berry McCall ID Waterways Management Plan gives you/all the
83638 backbone to develop policies, monitor growth, and
stick to the goal of the lake as an economic engine for
McCall. We have a cabin on the lake. It was built in
1937. Our family has considered selling the cabin. We
worry about the lake becoming eutrophic or before
the motorized boat traffic, wave erosion of the beach,
property damage, noise pollution and solitude cease
to exist. It is imperative that the City begin today to
develop the policies, guardrails, investments (storm
water runoff downtown), milfoil/invasive species
prevention plan, support of sheriff and staff to monitor
the lake activity, intensive monitoring of lakefront
development, scientific studies that support long term
lake health, lake capacity studies etc. I hope the City of
McCall will responsibly manage growth at the Marina
for now and future generations. Sincerely, LeeAnn
Johnson Berry 3710 Warren Wagon Rd. McCall, ID
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Katharina 14006 26kats@gmail.com Against Firstly, I am not opposed to any business expanding
Roth Comfort and being succesful. The only argument I have against
Road the Mile High Marina Expansion as it is presented is
MCCALL ID the question of parking. As far as I can tell there have
83638 been no suggestions made as to how the increased
parking needs will be addressed. The public parking
north of Gravity Sports already reaches its limit during
summer months, so what options are there suggested,
please. Thank you for hearing my comment. Katharina
Roth
Geoffrey 14006
HH Roth Comfort
Road McCall
ID 83638
ghhr@gr-we.com
Neutral It appears that Mile High Marinas customers already
consume a great deal of public parking space around
the privately owned marina. How will the city and Mile
High Marina accomodate the parking needs of 25, 50
or 75 more customers?
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Tyler Harris 646 S. tjharris@gmail.com Against Dear City Council and attendees, I respect the work
Granite Way that Mr. Worley and his attorney have done to lay the
Boise Idaho groundwork for this expansion. I also understand why
83712 someone who makes their livelihood from recreational
boat use on Payette Lake would want to expand his
footprint in a shared public waterway to rent highly
lucrative boating slips. Many of us have personal
connections to either Mr. Worley or his representation,
making any position other than support more
challenging to hold and voice. To complicate things
further, this request is being put forward at a time of
shifting public perception regarding public land and
waterway use, when climate change is clearly stressing
the scarce resources we all share, and greedy out of
state interests are also looking to maximize unfettered
use of lakes such as our own. That being said, it is
incumbent upon the City to carefully consider how this
irrevocable change will impact the Lake and city
residents, both current and future. The council should
be able to clearly address: 1. How does this expansion
impact our drinking water source? Despite claims to
the contrary, the net effect will be to increase boat
traffic and fuel use on Payette Lake. What is the spill
rate and how will this be mitigated? Will boats be
inspected and how frequently? What types of
sensors/detectors will be put in place and who will
monitor them? How does this expansion fit into the
Drinking Water Source Protection Plan? 2. How does
Marina expansion fit into the County Waterways plan?
What "keystone indicators" (page 3, 47) are being
considered to evaluate the merits of this proposal?
How will affect "waves, erosion, and sedimentation"
(page 6)? How does it fit into the Big Payette Lake
Management Plan? How will the expansion impact
what is already recognized as a heavily congested
zone? Does the city have the resources to enforce
existing code regarding lake use, let alone with the
increased traffic? 3. How will the Marina work with the
myriad of county and state actors charged with
mitigating invasive species? How will it interface with
the county to eliminate milfoil and quagga mussels in
particular? 4. How will the increased number of slips
impact the overall boating use, and what will this do to
the increased turbidity, nutrient load, and other
negative effects of boating as recognized in the
waterways plan (page 26, 27)? A recent study
performed by a graduate student at University of
Idaho has demonstrated increased phosphorus load
correlating with increased boat traffic on Payette Lake,
confirming the lake is at risk of eutrophication,
accelerated by increased boat use. How does this
proposal fit into the City's long term plan for
protecting the lake, which will inevitably require some
limitations of use? 5. Has there been any sort of
independent environmental impact assessment?
Unfortunately, this is a complicated issue that
intertwines with several factors outside of Mr. Worley's
direct control. This does not mean it should be outside
of the consideration of the City when entertaining his
request. Quite the contrary -- the city must be
wholistic in its approach. More time to consider the
above ramifications and others is a reasonable request.
You all have a difficult job ahead of you, and I implore
you to carefully consider the consequences rather than
rubber stamping this proposal. Sincerely, Tyler Harris
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Deb 315 Burns bigpayettelake@gmail.com Neutral Comment Letter regarding Mile High Marina
Fereday, Rd. McCall Expansion From: Big Payette Lake Water Quality
Big Payette Idaho 83638 Council January 9, 2024 The Mile High Marina is a
Lake Water well -established business and provides enjoyment on
Quality the lake for many residents and tourists. Some
Coun. members of the water quality council met with the
marina owner Sam Worley, as well as Kurt Wolfe, City
Recreation Director, and discussed concerns about the
project, acknowledging that the owner cannot solve
these larger issues facing the lake and community.
However, the council felt that questions must be
asked, of the city, regarding some of the larger issues.
There are unresolved challenges which the marina
itself cannot fix, but the city has an obligation to
consider. The lake provides economic opportunity for
our local businesses and just as important, is the
preservation of our home and protection against
degradation of the sole source of drinking water for
the community. The City's Comprehensive Plan and
Source Water Protection Plan set a number of goals
and priorities for the protection of Payette Lake,
repeatedly noting its unique and irreplaceable values
for the community. How will the terms of a Conditional
Use Permit reflect and reinforce those goals and
priorities for Payette Lake? McCall City Code 3.7.023
requires an environmental assessment for commercial
marinas. Has the city asked for a third -party
environmental assessment review as a precaution to
ensure that this project is within the City's
Comprehensive Plan and Source Water Protection
Plan? The City's SWPP calls for a spill response plan,
noting that the plan hasn't been completed as of yet.
Grants have been awarded to the city and some
analyzers have been installed at the Legacy water
intake site and we understand the process has yet to
be completed. Given the location and nature of the
marina proposal, adoption of a city spill response plan
which takes into consideration a full spectrum of risks,
including the risks presented by marina construction
and operation, would be an appropriate predicate to
formulation and issuance of a Conditional Use Permit.
Payette Lake is used by many recreators. According to
Idaho Parks and Recreation, 7,811 boat licenses
selected Valley County as either their primary or
secondary use location in 2021. Payette Lake is a 7.8
square mile lake; small. Hydrocarbons being released
into our drinking water from motorized recreation
present concerns. On page 12 of the CUP application,
under Environmental Resources, paragraph 2, there is a
statement from the IDEQ 2020 report that says,
"measurements and impacts of hydrocarbons in Big
Payette Lake should be evaluated." This seems an
important consideration for the city to explore with
regard to prevention/protection of drinking water.
User conflicts on the lake will be evident with more
and more powerful motorized recreation. Noise from
watercraft, including loud music, water turbidity, and
large continuous waves make it hard for other users to
engage in their sport or enjoy peace and quiet. These
issues are not something the applicant of the marina
can solve but the city and county could approach
these concerns more "head-on" with prevention,
safety, and enforcement. Even though the Waterways
Management Plan addresses some of these issues, at
this time, it is only a guiding document for county and
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city leaders, with no enforcement capability. Safety,
user conflict and infrastructure issues are identified in
the Plan as triggers which would indicate that more
study will be needed. The city and the county do not
have the staff, nor the money to successfully monitor
lake activity. These are complex problems that will
require dedicated engagement and problem solving
from all of us in order to preserve the enjoyment of
our lake and to protect the water quality. Maybe it's
time for a launch fee for all watercraft to help pay for
enforcement and safety concerns. Negotiating for a
day per week of non -motorized use might be a
suggestion to help minimize pressure on the lake.
With the increasing threat of more invasives being
introduced into Big Payette Lake it is past time for the
city to work with the county and state to require all
boats be cleaned and ballast tanks disinfected before
being launched. The Big Payette Lake Water Quality
Council recognizes the challenges before the city and
staff. We are advocates for the lake and agree to be a
cooperating partner in bringing people together
around lake challenges. We believe it will take city and
county leaders, business, jurisdictional agencies, non-
profits, and citizens to work together to ensure that
existing code and policies are followed and enforced
around the lake. Payette Lake IS the gem of our
community and we all assume a role in keeping her
waters clean. Deb Fereday Big Payette Lake Water
Quality Council Website: bigpayettelake.org
John 1045 Valley tedmcmanus@yahoo.com Against This proposal is the wrong direction for our city.
McManus Rim Rd Increased boat traffic and the use of wake boats has
McCall ID degraded the water quality and the shoreline of
83638 Payette Lake. More boat slips will increase boat traffic
on the lake and make our problems worse. Please
DENY this expansion. Thank you.
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Judy 13775 shaver.anderson@gmail.com Against Dear City Council Members, RE: Proposal to expand
Anderson Nisula Road the Marina January 10, 2024 I want to acknowledge
McCall the work done on envisioning this project. I recognize
Idaho 83638 the attempts by the boating industry to take
responsibility for the impacts they have and will create.
And I acknowledge the good work done by Parks and
Rec to try and get some accommodations for the large
non- motorized population of lake users. I am truly
grateful for the present improvements done to
Brown's Park. Thank you. But I would also like to
acknowledge and thank the decades of unpaid
volunteer work done by the Payette Protective League,
the Big Payette Lake Water Quality Council and other
citizen stewards fighting to protect and preserve the
lake, from setting up a sewer district ,to funding water
quality studies; always advocating for the health of the
lake and the tributaries, for the quality of our drinking
water, and for public access, and having to go to bat
again and again when faced with overwhelming
pressures of private development. As for this project,
think we know in our hearts that the trajectory of this
proposal is going in the absolute opposite direction
from where we should be headed as a community. We
are in a climate emergency. We are gambling our
recreational economy against inevitable drought,
higher water temperatures, decreasing flow from the
tributaries, erratic melt off, lower snowpack, and of
course wildfire. Every aspect of climate change is
exacerbating the threats we already have to this lake
and our well-being. To bring down carbon emissions
and increase our lake's resilience and health, we have
to be courageous and put some limits on our desires,
ourselves and our activities. And you, as elected
leaders must be brave and make the choice not for
today's desires but for tomorrow's needs for a healthy
and clean lake. In addition, there is also the issue of
equity. We are talking here about a publicly shared
commons, that we all have an interest in. One man's
pleasure cannot impede so many others. I suggest that
the city work with the county, invoking the Waterways
Management Act and user conflict and pass an
ordinance to set aside 2 days a week for strictly non
-motorized use of the lake. Let us have a sublime
experience of a still, quiet lake in the middle of
summer echoing only with the laughter of children,
beaches where we can swim out as far as we want and
canoe without fear of swamping. What if it is so
marvelous that we want to expand it to more days?
What if some new people come to our lake because it
is quiet and safe and less hectic and they can really
relax. Let us see that a future not dominated by fossil
fuels is indeed not only tenable but perhaps preferred.
I ask that you refuse this proposal of expanding the
marina and work to institute a fair use of the lake by
establishing days of non- motorized use only.
Sincerely. Judy Anderson West Lake Fork 13775 Nisula
Road
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Rick 315 Burns aviator81t@gmail.com Against Rick Fereday 315 Burns Rd McCall Thank you Mayor
Fereday Rd. McCall and Council members in allowing public input on this
ID 83638 application. Some of you know that I am a long time
resident, businessman and owner of one of three
commercial marinas on Payette Lake. I stand before
before you tonight knowing that some may call me a
hypocrite for speaking against this marina expansion.
Well.... So be it. I don't see it that way. When my
partner and I started renting slips at our dock behind
May Hardware in the late 1970's it was because we
had a 40' dock, one boat and people asking to moor
their boats. It went from 2 boats to 12 boats to 24
boats and on until we stopped expanding in about
2008. We were both sailors and focused on moorage
for sailboats. Man - how things have changed since
those early days. One thing hasn't changed though.
City water has been drawn from the lake since ??? I
don't even know. Does anyone here know? Don't be
misled by semantics or feel good math. More slips on
the lake means more boats. I oppose this expansion
because lake residents have been complaining for
years about shocking increases in boat traffic. Now I,
and many others, fear for the health of Payette Lake
from overuse, pollution and the unknown future
effects of climate change. I have been through the
dock permitting process a few times and know the
drill: Army Corp of Engineers. What are they looking
at? Wetlands - ok, that's a rubber stamp - no wetlands.
IDL? What are they looking for? No encroachment on
your neighbor and that other little thing that makes
them salivate; MONEY. (They will increase their income
by about 18k with this expansion). IDEQ? Tough to
answer that one. They should be concerned about
environmental quality, right? It's in their name!
Unfortunately, the IDEQ is so under funded,
overworked and underpaid that it is just so easy to
approve this because there are no studies that they
can point to in order to deny. Talk to your Idaho
legislators about what they would like to do with those
environmentalists. So. Who is left to make a decision
about the future quality of drinking water for up to 10k
McCall people on a hot summer day? You are. You five
sitting here. Do you think about what happens when
IDEQ calls and says "time to redo your water system.
The lake is full of 77777 " (Put one of many answers for
those question marks) Please rethink this expansion.
Oh, one more quick thing. One issue that I am not
clear on. At one point the City was going to maintain
the boardwalk. Is that still the case? Taxpayers need to
know if the City has any responsibility there.
Linda 1880:Bear Isundstrom8@gmail.com Against I am on the side of clean water, lakeside homes that
Sundstrom Basin Rd don't lose "beach" to wakeboard boats and preserving
McCall ID the peace and beauty of Payette Lake. McCall residents
83638-1649 appreciate the business of visitors but are dismayed at
the erosion of the quality of our mountain life. A larger
Marina can only lead to more boats on the lake and
more pollution.
Lynne 1880 Bear lhaspedis@gmail.com
Haspedis Basin Rd
McCall ID
83638
Against We don't need more boats, noise pollution, water
pollution and Lakeshore erosion.
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Toni 998 S tonisheldon69@gmail.com Against My husband and i have been full time residents for
Sheldon Mission St over40 years. We are very concerned about the lake &
McCall ID watershed. Rather than more motorized boats on
83638 beautiful Payette Lake, we would love for there to be
days (3) that only non motorized watercraft were
allowed! What lovely quiet days those would bell Not
only to help the lake clear the water but to bring in
tourists that could enjoy kayaking, canoeing, etc
without the wakes 8t noise of motorized boats. Please
consider the need for a cleaner, quieter McCall. Our
home needs it very badly. Vote NO on marina
expansion.
Diane 653 lovetomtnbike@earthlink.net Against No more boat slips, not healthy for the lake.
Sanders Woodlands
Dr McCall Id
83638
Sarah 1740 Bear sajessup@gmail.com Against I want to urge the council to vote against the
Jessup Basin Road expansion of Mile High Marina. The last thing we need
McCall ID in this town is more motorized boats on the lake. Not
83638 only is it a growing challenge to the water quality, but
it is also increasing noise and threats to non motorized
watercraft.
Susan 159 Brook 4suemccoy@gmail.com For The lake could use a few more spots for boats.
McCoy Drive McCall
Idaho 83638
Jerry POB 1483 jerryzrandolph@gmail.com Against Given the current rapid and, it appears to me,
Randolph McCall Id overwhelming developments on and surrounding Big
83638 Payette Lake, it baffles me why County and City leaders
could possibly encourage increased watercraft usage. I
admittedly cannot fully grasp the impacts on water
quality, noise pollution, and effects on simple quality
of life issues; however, this project (Marina expansion)
to me is clearly heading our city in the wrong decision.
It's counterintuitive to me to express concern for
human safety, degradation of shoreline, water quality,
parking and other factors relative to congestion, and
then approve a plan to exacerbate those concerns. Just
say no to this one, and move on to projects that will
actually assure McCall will be livable in the years
ahead. Jerry Randolph 43 years a McCall resident
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Thomas 2071 tmanning@idneuro.com Against I am very much opposed to any expansion of Mile
Manning Lakeview High Marina. Our lake is already under great stress
Ave McCall from the number of boats using it. The lake is the sole
ID 83638 source of our drinking water. The great majority of
folks living in McCall say they want to keep the town
small and easy, the way it is and has been. For many of
us, McCall is a twelve -month -a -year proposition. With
continued unbridled growth, the weeks from Memorial
Day to Labor Day are becoming and will further
become... a zoo. We all had a scare last year with
diesel fuel spilling into the lake. I'd like to see the City
Council help channel new recreation efforts away from
the lake. Encourage biking and hiking. Americans as a
population need to loose weight... get up in the hills
and hike. Swigging beers and getting overweight and
sunburned on a $150K surf or pontoon boat tracking
up and down the lake generating shoreline erosion is
no way to go through life. Another 100 boat slips wit
go that much farther toward trashing the lake. My
family and I drink coffee brewed with water piped out
of the lake. We rely on water from the lake for our
daily needs. The last thing the lake needs is more
aromatic hydrocarbons swirling around headed for the
water supply. Please view with extreme skepticism
efforts to cash in a few more dollars during the already
busy 15 week summer season.
Michael 3353 South mdbennionl @gmail.com For Dear City of McCall Commissioners, I would like to
Bennion Eagle Brook express my support for the Mile High Marina .
Lane Eagle expansion project. Having owned several cabins near
Idaho 83616 the Marina over the Years I have seen the positive
impact it has on the community. It is more than a
Marina it is a gathering place for family and friends.
We have had a boat slip in the Marina for many years
and have benefited from the positive impact (e.g. kids
have grown up having quick and easy access to many
years of memorable lake activities). All interested
families should have that opportunity including being
able to enjoy that waterfront stroll and take in the
sunsets. The public dock will be a much needed and
positive amenity for the community and allow
everyone to take in this beautiful mountain lake.
Please approve this application. Thank you for
considering my opinion, Michael Bennion
Caitlin 3356 Ridge caitlinbaird58@yahoo.com Against As a full time resident of Valley County I believe we
Baird Dr McCall ID must prioritize protecting our sole water source over
83638 approving business expansion that could potentially
degrade are water. I believe a third -party
environmental assessment review to ensure that'this
project is within the City's Comprehensive Plan and
Source Water Protection Plan needs to be completed. I
would also like to see a completed spill response plan
prior to authorizing this project. With an increase in
invasive species I think it's also necessary to have a
plan for cleaning boats prior to putting them in our
lake. I think there are two many potential risks to this
project without addressing there solutions to approve
this project at this time. Thank you for your
consideration.
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Jennet 317 Mather jennet1130@yahoo.com Against Please do not approve the marina expansion. Payette
Gray Road McCall Lake is already much too crowded and is endangered
ID 83638 as our sole source of drinking water. Many
Nicolette 108
Humphries Magnetic
Rock Rd
McCall ID
83638
nhhumphries@gmail.com
communities, large and small, around the country that
use a lake or reservoir as their water source do not
allow any sort of recreating or activity on or around
their water source. Please consider the future of our
community and do not expand the marina.
Against Dear City Council Members; I am very much opposed
to the proposed Marina expansion. I am a long time
Valley County resident and I am appalled by the lake
water quality degradation that I have witnessed in the
last 10+ years. To think you would even consider
increasing boat traffic on our fragile lake by an
increase of 90 slips is beyond comprehension. Please
don't approve this, the lake provides drinking water for
the city and an environment for numerous aquatic
species, thus impacting humans, birds and wildlife and
on and on. If anything, you should be talking about
limiting/reducing boat traffic to try to mitigate the
damage already done. I am very opposed to this
expansion. Sincerely, Nicolette Humphries 108
Magnetic Rock Rd McCall, ID 83638
John 108 hohump@frontiernet.net Against Dear Council Members: Please deny the Marina
Humphries Magnetic expansion. I am extremely opposed. Thank you. John
Rock Rd Humphries 108 Magnetic Rock Rd McCall, Id 83638
McCall ID
83638
Marilyn 890 Timber mjolson71@hotmail.com Neutral I feel if the Mile High Marina is going to be expanded
Olson Ridge Ct maybe the city would consider a launch fee for all
McCall watercraft to help pay for enforcement and safety
Idaho 83638 concerns on Payette Lake. Also, as a non -motorized
user of Payette Lake (swimming and kayaking), is it
possible to have 1 day/week of non -motorized use?
Since invasive species are increasing on Payette Lake,
consider requiring all boats be cleaned and ballast
tanks disinfected before being launched on the lake.
Payette Lake is our drinking water and should be
protected for all residents of McCall.
Sheree 664
Sonfield Woodlands
Drive McCall
ID 83638
ssonfield@gmail.com
Against The expansion of the Marina means more recreators
on our drinking water source. As McCall grows, this
becomes an even greater precious commodity and
therefore it's crucial to complete proper assessments
and have procedures in place for spill response. Please
take the time to carefully review this approval request
eg complete all assessments, consider the impacts and
unintended consequences, ensure that effective spill
response procedures are in place. Also please consider
the need for enforcement (and how to fund it) of
various measures intended to protect the Lake,
surrounding land and recreators. Thank you for your
efforts.
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Linda 14030 lindathompson700@gmail.com Against I am opposed to this expansion for the following
Thompson Hideaway reasons: 1. We don't need more boat pollution in Lake
Court Payette. This pollution is already visible at the existing
McCall ID marinas where you can see oil and gas residue floating
83638 on top of the water. 2. This increases traffic on a lake
that is already too busy and under -enforced. 3. I fail to
Karl 1101
Rubner Graham Dr.
McCall ID
83638
karlrubner@gmail.com
see how this will improve the quality of life in McCall.
The expanded marina would encroach on the shoreline
area and make less space available to people who
want to enjoy the lake from the shore. 4. Increased
marina space means increased boating on the lake ---
more potential damage to the shoreline, more noise
pollution, more water pollution, and will only benefit a
private developer's bank account. Please vote no to
this proposition.
For This will be a great addition to the downtown area. It
will complement the work that the city has already
done down there.
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Tom 1892 Shaw tom@foerstel.com Against I feel that the City Council should not approve the Mile
Foerstel Mountain High Marina expansion. I am concerned that the
Road Boise expansion will create a multitude of issues and
ID 83638 problems for the residents and visitors to McCall.
Before any approval to move forward I would like to
have the city require that studies are done on the
possible environmental and safety issues that may
result from the construction. WATER QUALITY Payette
Lake provides drinking water for the city. The
construction process and the subsequent addition of
motorized water craft all have the potential to
negatively impact the safety and quality of our
drinking water. I have not heard anything about this
project providing environmental study data that shows
the projected impact this project will have on the lake
environment - not only the water quality but also the
plants and animals that live in, on and around the lake.
SAFETY The lake has already seen a huge increase in
boat traffic since 2020 as more people have discovered
McCall. With the increase in population, there has
been a noticeable increase in motorized and non -
motorized vessels on Payette Lake An increase in boats
on the lake brings an increase in safety risk to other
boaters, paddle boarders, kayakers, swimmers, etc.
There are only 2 fuel pumps on the lake which are
busy now and cannot safely handle an increase in
volume; with the increase in fuel demand, this also
increase prices to customers The main public beach is
adjacent to Mile High Marina at Legacy Park; there are
people swimming, paddle boarding, and kayaking next
to the marina. It is also the boat launch for boat rental
companies, Cheap Thrills and others, so there is a
steady stream of speed boats, pontoons and jet skis
between the Marina and Legacy Park and adding more
slips would just increase congestion in that area
REDUCED QUALITY OF ENJOYMENT Adding more slips
would only move the traffic from the land to the lake,
decreasing overall enjoyment for patrons of the lake
while likely not decreasing the land traffic More boats
causes more waves for kayakers, paddle board users,
and those enjoying swimming or floating along the
shoreline More boats increase rates of erosion along
the shoreline, impacting waterfront property including
the Payette National Forest Increase in noise pollution
MORE STUDY AND INFORMATION IS NEEDED BEFORE
A DECISION IS MADE I do not believe there has been
adequate due diligence prior to this vote. To my
knowledge, there have not been any studies or surveys
on the impact to the lake or lake patrons including: 1)
boat density study, 2) community survey, 3) boater
survey, or 4) environmental impact study. I feel
strongly that more information is needed to make a
thoughtful decision that will impact the people of
McCall and the pristine alpine Payette Lake for years to
come. We should be protecting this precious natural
resource and carefully weighing this decision with
proper due diligence. Thank you, Tom Foerstel
Tom 12995 tombloom907@gmail.com For This expansion would be great. It will help to take the
Bloomfield Ponderosa pressure off the boat ramps on Payette Lake. Also it
Lane will allow transient boaters to enjoy the town and
Donnelly restaurants.
Idaho 83615
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Jane 861 Timber ' janestevewurster@gmail.comj Against Please do not allow the marina expansion. Payette
Wurster Ridge Ct Lake is not a huge lake and cannot tolerate more
MCCALL boats. We already have issues with wave erosion, noise
Idaho 83638 pollution, water quality and too much lake traffic. If
anything we should be concerned about limiting use
on our lake not promoting more, more, more. Too
much of a good thing isn't necessarily a good thing!
Perhaps instead of expanding the marina we should
consider capping motorized use and having a lottery
system like we have on our overly crowded and
popular rivers. Please strive to preserve our beautiful
lake and town from out of control growth! More does
not mean better.
Joey Pietri 225Valley • joey@legendcrossfit.com Against Dear Council, I urge you to please don not allow
Springs Rd. expansion of the Marina. It will exacerbate the already
McCall rapidly declining water quality and overall Lake health.
Idaho 83638 Payette Lake is a Sacred site and should be treated as
such. It had been a place of gathering, fishing and
Spiritual reverence for Centuries prior to White
settlement. It has since become an object for
exploitation and the Marina and Wakeboat industry
seeks to do what they can to profit from this land and
it's Sacred Waters without much reverence for it only
profit. The Council shoud be in the front lihes of
stewardship and protect what is dear to many and
Sacred to others. This is a time when reversal of
impacts need to be imposed before it is all too late.
Inmy time as a long time resident the decline of water
quality is evident in the taste, visibility and is even
being attacked audibly. Please protect the Lake from
all the Mechanical Uncleanliness that is being
proposed . Don't let legal wrngling by experienced
smooth talking attorney's sway from the right thing to
do. We need less motors not more save the motors for
essential and EMS services. Reduce motorized use that
is what "Converging Waters" needs. Thank you
Hailie 915 Romine hailie@designvim.com For Dear City of McCall 'Commissioners, I enthusiastically
Lewis Drive McCall support the Mile High Marina expansion project. The
ID 83638 impact of the Marina on our community is
immeasurable, extending beyond its role as a mere
boating facility to become a central hub for social
connections and cherished gatherings among families
and friends. My family has enjoyed the convenience of
a boat slip at the Marina the last few years, and I
strongly believe that extending these opportunities to
all families is paramount, ensuring that everyone can
partake in the joy of our mountain lake. The proposed
public dock is a crucial addition, offering a much --
needed amenity that will undoubtedly benefit the
entire community, allowing everyone enjoy lake
activities. The expansion project not only signifies
growth in infrastructure but also underlies a
commitment to enhancing the overall well-being of
and connectivity of our community, making Mile High
Marina an even more integral and cherished part of
our local landscape. Please approve this application.
Sincerely, Hailie Lewis
Stephanie 159 W
Churchman Thornberry
Ct Boise ID
83702
schurchman@me.com
Against Adding such a large number of boat slips on the lake
is a safety hazard.
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Dennis 1504 Warren dd@ddrv.com Against As a resident, I do not want more high speed boats
Dillon Wagon Road and traffic on our sanctuary. We currently are
Mccall Id experiencing problems!
83648
Patty 159 Brook 1pattyknight@gmail.com For Currently the small number of spaces to accommodate
Knight Dr McCall ID our boating community, in addition to a small parking
83638 area, forces boat owners to clog the streets with
trailers. The idea that if you don't build it they won't
come is not in step with the actual reality.
Kevin 902 kevin@churchman.us Against Being a lakefront homeowner located directly across
Churchman Ironwood the lake from the Marina I am concerned with the
Street addition of over a hundred boats to the current
McCall ID marina. Over the last decade we have noticed a large
83638 increase in boating in the area of the lake directly in
front of our property. Since many of these boats are
newer "wakesurfing" boats they create massive waves
that come into our shore which causes damage to our
moored boats and a definite erosion of the lakefront
beach area we have. I fear that adding more wake
surfing boats to the current mix will increase the
negative impact on the lakefront shore as well as the
docks and moored equipment.
Ted 1512 tedsweetland@gmail.com For I am in favor of the proposed Mile High Marina
Sweetland Roosevelt expansion. The public dock will afford greater
Ave McCall opportunity for people to interact with the lake and I
ID 83638 would expect it to be a popular amenity for the
community and an added draw for visitors.
Keli Elledge 1270 S keli.elledge@gmail.com Neutral I am not opposed to adding additional slips but do
Heron Point believe 90 is an extreme number. Please reconsider the
Ln Eagle ID number of slips to a lot less. The congestion (and
83616 safety) in the vicinity of the marina (and the lake) will
be reduced with fewer slips.
Dave 1270 S drelledge66@gmail.com Neutral I am concerned that adding 90 new slips will increase
Elledge Heron the overall congestion around the marina area. Parking
Pointe Ln is already an issue so I am not sure this plan addresses
Eagle ID the problem.
83616
Paula 5325 W dmccurry1@msn.com Against The proposal for too much extra traffic on the lake.
McCurry Summerview Causing a disturbance and unsafe circumstances.
Ln Nampa
ID 83687
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FROM THE DESK OF
Jim Pace
January 3, 2024
McCall City Council
City of McCall
Council;
This letter is in regards to your upcoming review of the Mile High Marina expansion. I
have several discussion items I would like you to consider.
• It is my opinion that the greatest emerging threat to city drinking water comes not
from the marina expansion, but from unclean watercraft delivering invasive species
to Payette Lake. Valley County, indeed the entire state, lacks inspection and washing
stations to intercept watercraft entering our county. All watercraft that transit to
Payette Lake should be required to show proof of cleanliness with a wash station
receipt within the previous 24 hours of launching into the lake.
1.
A fee based launch kiosk at the city ramp, able to accept wash station receipt
codes as payment would go far in mitigating this risk. I suggest the wash stations
should be located at boating retailers on highways leading to McCall. State funds
are available to build the stations, but not to operate them. Retailers should pay
for wash station employees. In return, they get boating enthusiasts on to their
premises. The retailers and the kiosk both offer a great opportunity explain city
and county boating rules and regulations, such as large wake restrictions.
2. Watercraft moored for the boating season at the marina, cleanly launched once,
are not an invasive species threat. The expansion extra slips lessen that threat. I
don't share the opinion that the extra slips will materially increase boat traffic
on the lake. The boats will be on the lake regardless. But the ramps won't be
quite as busy.
• A second threat to our lake is from the effects of large modern power boats designed
to maximize the wake they generate. Large wave energy impacting shorelines is
certainly an issue, but from the research I've gathered, the bigger threat is from prop
wash lake bottom disturbance. The rototiller effect on plant growth and spread is
profound. Will the marina expansion have a meaningful impact on wake boat usage?
I don't think so. Wake boats definitely need to be managed by the city and county,
but where they park at night isn't the real problem.
• As some of you may be aware, several years ago I approached the city with a business
plan and proposal to build a combination boathouse and event space on the city
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owned lot on E lake street, adjacent to the Mile High Marina log boom and across
from Dog Beach. That proposal is referenced in McCall's Parks, Recreation and Open
Space Plan adopted in June 2023. While I've not pursued that project recently,
focusing my efforts on the library expansion, I do plan on organizing a grass roots
effort to get the boathouse built, probably with the creation of a new non-profit entity
that would work with the city. Why am I bringing this up?
1. Because the new marina boardwalk and new dock construction will facilitate
the non -motorized access to the lake at Dog Beach. Kurt Wolf and I have had
quite a few conversations about how to get non -motorized watercraft launches
away from the existing boat ramp. Low, less than 6 inches high, docks issuing
from the new marina boardwalk across the street from the boathouse will
enable safe access for paddle boards, rowing shells, canoes and kayaks. Please
review the boathouse and beach plans. The boathouse has the potential of
becoming a great public asset at no cost to the taxpayer.
2. I do agree with some of the critics of the new marina that the boardwalk must
be constructed of materials that do not pose a threat to the city's drinking water
intake. But from what I've seen of the plans, that threat is manageable with city
oversight.
3. The boathouse basement storage capacity of 2000 linear feet of rack space, or a
combination of rack space and upright storage of paddle boards, promises yet
another way to minimize the risk of importing invasive species to the lake,
reducing congestion at the existing city ramp, beyond the safety aspects
described above.
• Sam, the marina owner, seems willing to work with the city to maximize the
advantages of the expansion (less daily launches, separating motorized and non -
motorized watercraft traffic, a boardwalk instead of log booms) while minimizing the
disadvantages (threats to our water supply, gas and oil spill control, weed
management). But you, the Council, have control. He leases city property. Don't
forget that.
Sincerely yours,
Jim Pace 208-869-2284 mccallboater@gmail.com
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FR37
STATE OF MICHIGAN
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES
September 2022
Wake boats: concerns and recommendations related to
natural resource management in Michigan waters
James Francis, Joel Nohner, John Bauman, Brian Gunderman
www.michigan.gov/dnr/
FISHERIES DIVISION
FISHERIES REPORT 37
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Francis, J., J. Nohner, J. Bauman, and B. Gunderman. 2022. Wake boats: concerns and
recommendations related to natural resource management in Michigan waters. Michigan
Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries Report 37, Lansing.
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Michigan Department of Natural Resources
Fisheries Report 37, 2022
Wake boats: concerns and recommendations related
to natural resource management in Michigan waters
James Francis
Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries Division,
7806 Gale Road, Waterford, MI 48327
Joel Nohner
Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries Division,
525 West Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48915
John Bauman
Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries Division,
6833 US Highway 2, Gladstone, MI 49837
Brian Gunderman
Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries Division,
621 North 10th Street, Plainwel/, MI 49080
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The operation of wake boats in a manner that creates large waves and increases bottom scour is an
emerging threat to natural resources in inland lakes. Wake boats can produce waves with 1.7-17 times
the energy of other comparable -sized powerboats and their propellers generate enough turbulence to
resuspend bottom sediments in water up to 33 feet deep. The large waves generated by wake boats
take between 225-950 feet to dissipate to heights and wave energies observed 100-200 feet away from
similar boats operating at cruising speed. Further, the use of ballast tanks in wake boats results in a
dramatic increase in risk for transporting Dreissenid mussels and other aquatic invasive species and
pathogens among water bodies. The cumulative negative effects of wake boats on natural resources can
lead to loss of habitat, resulting in the decline of aquatic ecosystems and angling opportunity.
Michigan's current boating laws and regulations are intended to both promote public safety and
prevent damage to aquatic resources but were created prior to the commercialization and popularization
of wake boats in the early 2000s. As a result of the large waves and increased scour caused by these
vessels, the existing 100 -foot operating buffers around docks and shorelines on inland lakes are not
sufficient to protect aquatic resources. The Michigan Department of Natural Resources, Fisheries
Division (Division) recommends the following to minimize the effects of wake surfing and wake
boarding on natural resources:
1. Boats operating in wake -surfing mode or wake -boarding mode, during which boat speed, wave
shapers, and/or ballast are used to increase wave height, should operate at least 500 feet from
docks or the shoreline, regardless of water depth.
2. Boats operating in wake -surfing or wake -boarding modes should operate in water at least
15 feet deep.
3. Ballast tanks should be completely drained prior to transporting the watercraft over land.
4. Regulatory authorities and the boating industry should implement an increased education and
outreach campaign that targets wake boat operators to improve awareness and implementation
of the best practices listed above.
INTRODUCTION
Wake boats are powerboats specially designed to increase wave height for watersports. The hull
is shaped to achieve maximum wake and many have a hydrofoil device that lowers the stern when the
boat is under power. Most wake boats also have built-in ballast tanks that can be filled with lake water
to increase the weight in the stern of the boat and create larger waves. While wake boarding, a rider is
towed with a rope, usually at a speed of 20--23 mph. They use the wake of the boat to perform jumps
and tricks. Wake surfing involves a person trailing behind a boat on a short surfboard and surfing on
the boat's wake without being attached to the boat by a rope. Wake surfing generally occurs at speeds
of 9-11 mph. Many wake boats can operate in modes to support wake surfing or wake boarding and
have the ability to maximize wave height through ballast and wave shapers at the required speed for the
respective activity. Through direct observations by Division employees and feedback from the public,
it has become clear that waves generated by wake boats create concerns about risks to aquatic natural
resources.
The State of Michigan, with the Department of Natural Resources as the trustee, has an obligation to
preserve and protect natural resources as required by Article 4, Section 52 of the Michigan Constitution.
The Division's mission is to protect and enhance Michigan's aquatic life and habitats for the benefit of
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current and future generations. Its strategic plan (MDNR 2018) serves as a guide to natural resource
managers tasked to maintain healthy aquatic ecosystems and provide world -class angling opportunities
that enhance quality of life in Michigan. The first goal listed in this plan is to "ensure healthy
aquatic ecosystems and sustainable fisheries". In addition, the Division has identified specific habitat
conservation priorities for the nearshore zones of lakes through its Wildlife Action Plan (MDNR 2015).
In the context of these priorities to conserve nearshore aquatic habitats, the goals of this document are
to review the current state of knowledge regarding the effects of wake boat activity on natural resources
and provide the Division's position on the operation of wake boats to regulatory authorities responsible
for writing and implementing policies that protect aquatic resources held in public trust.
ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS OF WAKE BOATING
The environmental effects of powerboating have been well documented. Waves from powerboats
can increase shoreline erosion, decrease water clarity and plant abundance (Asplund and Cook 1997),
and increase phosphorus in the water column (Yousef et al. 1980). Recently, there has been an increase
in the popularity of wake boats (Gouday and Girod 2015; National Marine Manufacturers Association
2021) which use ballast, wave shapers, and other hull designs to produce waves that are substantially
larger and more powerful than those generated by the typical powerboat. For example, Macfarlane (2018)
found that wave energy from ballasted wake -surfing craft was 5-17 times higher than a benchmark
speedboat and Marr et al. (2022) found that waves produced by wake boats were 2-3 times higher, had
3-9 times more energy, and were 6-12 times more powerful than a typical motorboat. Mercier-Blais
and Prairie (2014) compared wave energies produced by a wake boat operated in wake surfing (10 mph,
one ballast tank filled), wake boarding (20 mph, both ballast tanks filled), and cruising (30 mph, empty
ballast tanks) modes and discovered wave energies were significantly different between operating
modes at a distance of 328 feet. The waves created in wake -surfing mode were on average 1.7 times
higher than those created in cruising mode. Similarly, Water Environmental Consultants (2021) showed
that waves produced by a wake boat in wake -surfing and wake -boarding mode had 581% and 68% more
energy, respectively, than waves produced by the same vessel operated in cruising mode at a distance of
100 feet. Both Gouday and Girod (2015) and Ruprecht et al. (2015) found that wake boats operating in
wake -surfing mode produced the largest waves compared to other modes, with maximum wave energy
approximately four times that of waves generated in wake -boarding mode. The energy created by such
large waves requires a substantial distance to dissipate; Mercier-Blais and Prairie (2014) estimated
that the distance required for wake boat -generated waves to dissipate completely is approximately 984
feet. This is further supported by Water Environmental Consultants (2021), who determined that waves
from a wake boat in wake -boarding and wake -surfing mode would need distances of 225 feet and 950
feet, respectively, to dissipate to the wave heights observed 100 feet from the same boat in cruising
mode. Additionally, Marr et al. (2022) found that wake boat waves required substantial distances to
attenuate to reference conditions of a typical motorboat operating in planing mode at a distance of 200
feet for wave height (>500 feet), energy (>575 feet), and power (>600 feet, the maximum distance at
which waves were measured in the study). Finally, aftermarket wave -shaping fins are sometimes used
to increase wake size even on typical motorboats; Marr et al. (2022) found that these devices increased
wave height, energy, and power to create waves similar to wake boats.
Shoreline Erosion
Shoreline erosion can lead to degradation of fish habitat and water quality due to physical disruption
of rooted plants and resuspension of sediment and nutrients and is a concern for lakefront property
owners because it results in a loss of property and can damage infrastructure. The main factors that
influence shoreline erosion are wave energy, aquatic plants, the slope of the nearshore and bank areas, and
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characteristics of the bank material. Recreational boating activity can exacerbate erosion by increasing
the wave energy that reaches the shoreline (Johnson 1994; Nanson et al. 1994; Bauer et al. 2002). A
recent study on 1,700 -acre Whitestone Lake in Ontario (Houser et al. 2021) showed that 61-72% of
total wave energy originated from powerboats. Water Environmental Consultants (2021) compared
wave energy from wake boats to the monthly maximum wave energy from wind for two locations
in Lake Rabun, Georgia; when wake boats passed 100 feet from shore, the wave energy produced in
wake -boarding and wake -surfing modes was 553% and 2,546% higher, respectively, than the monthly
maximum energy from wind -driven waves. Wake -boat -induced wave energy was 192% higher for
wake -boarding mode and 679% higher for wake -surfing mode, compared to wind -driven wave energy,
when the wake boats passed 500 feet from shore. It would take between 225 feet (wake -boarding mode)
and 950 feet (wake -surfing mode) for waves to decrease to the 0.8 -foot wave height typically observed
100 feet from a cruising wake boat. Even though these distances would allow the waves to decrease to
similar heights, the waves from wake -boarding and wake -surfing modes had longer wave periods, and
therefore more energy, than the cruising mode wake. Wake boats are designed to create larger wakes
than traditional watercraft, therefore the greater energy of waves created by wake boats operating in
wake -boarding or wake -surfing mode are likely to exacerbate boat wave induced erosion.
Many construction projects that address shoreline erosion occur below the ordinary high-water
mark and are regulated by the Michigan Department of Environment, Great Lakes and Energy under
Part 301 (Inland Lakes and Streams) of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act
(NREPA 1994a). As part of the Part 301 permit review process, the Division is consulted to ensure that
projects do not adversely affect fisheries resources. In the past several years, applicants frequently have
listed erosion from wake boats as part of their rationale for shoreline armoring. This reactive response
of hardening shorelines, as opposed to proactively reducing the erosive forces at the shoreline caused
by wake boats, will only lead to greater environmental degradation from armored shorelines due to
wave reflection off these structures.
Sediment Resuspension
Sediment resuspension decreases water clarity in lakes, subsequently reducing the ability of fish
to find food, the depth to which aquatic plants can grow, and the dissolved oxygen content within the
water column (Gardner 1981; Canfield et al. 1985; Chambers and Kaiff 1985; Barrett et al. 1992; Irvine
et a1. 1997; Stuart -Smith et al. 2004; Trebitz et al. 2007). In addition, as sediments are resuspended
and nutrients become available in the water column, excessive algae growth can occur. Boat wakes
resuspend sediments, especially fine substrates such as silt or sand, in shallow waters (USACE 1994)
and this resuspension increases with wave energy. Existing studies have shown that resuspended
sediments caused by powerboats increase turbidity and phosphorus concentrations in rivers, lakes, and
shallow experimental ponds (Yousef et al. 1980; Johnson 1994; USACE 1994; Asplund 1996, 1997;
Anthony and Downing 2003). Wake boats have greater potential to exacerbate sediment resuspension
through increased wave energy and propeller turbulence. Mercier-Blais and Prairie (2014) determined
sediment resuspension was significantly higher than background conditions up to 492 feet from wake
boats operating in wake -surfing mode and 656 feet from wake boats operating in wake -boarding mode
and was highest when wake boats were operated in wake -surfing mode at a speed of 10 mph. Previous
studies of typical powerboats indicated that propellers from outboard engines create turbulence that can
reach as deep as 10 feet (Gucinski 1982; Keller 2017). Field testing by Raymond and Galvez (2015)
found that wake boat propellers generated watervelocities with the capacity to resuspend unconsolidated
sand, silt, and smaller organic materials at a depth of 15 feet while the boat was in wake -boarding or
wake -surfing modes. Ray (2020) estimated that modern wake boats can cause sediment resuspension
in water up to 33 feet deep.
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Aquatic plants
Reductions in native aquatic plants will affect fish populations. Aquatic vegetation provides rearing
areas for juvenile fishes (Bryan and Scarnecchia 1992), allows for increased fish growth and total fish
biomass (Radomski and Goeman 2001; Nohner et al. 2018), and reduces wave energy in the nearshore
zone. While there are no studies that directly address the effects of wake boats on aquatic plants,
previous research on powerboats provides a basis for inference. For example, Asplund and Cook (1997)
documented 20% reductions in aquatic plant coverage because of recreational boating. They also found
that excluding powerboats from experimental plots dramatically increased aquatic plant biomass,
coverage, and shoot height compared to areas with boats. Results indicated that powerboats affected
plant growth through scouring of the sediments and direct cutting as opposed to increased turbidity,
and it was unclear if the amount of plant material lost would have larger -scale or long-term impacts on
the ecosystem (Asplund 2000). Murphy and Eaton (1983) documented an inverse relationship between
recreational boating traffic and both submersed and emergent aquatic plant abundance in canals in
British Columbia. Since wake boats produce greater wave energy, propeller turbulence, and sediment
resuspension compared to the powerboats observed in these studies, it follows that wake boats could
significantly disrupt native aquatic vegetation in inland lakes.
Aquatic Invasive Species
Aquatic invasive species (AIS) are non-native organisms that cause significant negative effects when
introduced to inland lakes and other aquatic ecosystems. The State of Michigan's AIS Management Plan
(MDEQ 2013) prioritizes the need for preventing accidental AIS introductions, which may be greatly
increased by wake boats due to the presence of large ballast tanks that can be filled from or emptied
directly into the water body they are operating on. For example, research has shown that ballast tanks
from wake boats operated on a lake infested with the Zebra Mussel Dreissena polymorpha typically
carried 247 Zebra Mussel veligers per sample (Doll 2018), which was much greater than stern drive
motor compartments (13 veligers per sample), outboard motor lower units (1 veliger per sample), live
wells, or bilges. Although wake boat ballast tanks are typically emptied before trailering, they are rarely
ever completely dry which increases the survival time for invasive species potentially trapped inside.
Doll (2018) found that 5% of zebra mussel veligers remained alive in ballast tanks after 48 hours.
Transportation of other invasive species and fish pathogens is also possible, and the greater propeller
turbulence and increased scouring caused by wake boats may result in fragmentation and proliferation
of aquatic invasive plants (Keller 20I 7).
Compounding factors
The effects of wake boats are not the only changes occurring on Michigan's lakes. Shoreline armoring
such as seawalls and riprap are being installed throughout the state, and this shoreline armoring reflects
wave energy back into the lake as well as laterally toward neighboring properties. Shoreline armoring
degrades up to 54% of lake shorelines in some highly populated areas (Wehrly et al. 2012), which are
also the areas that receive greater boating traffic. Shoreline armoring increases wave energy in lakes
and is often present on lakes with wake boats, thus it exacerbates the effects of wake boats on aquatic
resources. These effects are further compounded by the reductions in aquatic vegetation (Radomski and
Goeman 2001) and large woody habitat that historically occurred throughout Michigan's inland lakes
(Wehrly et al. 2012). Aquatic plants and large woody habitat reduce wave energy in the nearshore zone,
so their removal creates circumstances for increased wave erosion and reflection.
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CURRENT BOATING LAW
Existing boating law in Michigan states, "A person shall not operate a vessel on the waters of this
state at a speed greater than slow --no wake or the minimum speed necessary for the vessel to maintain
forward movement when within 100 feet of the shoreline where the water depth is less than 3 feet, as
determined by vertical measurement, except in navigable channels not otherwise posted." Furthermore,
reckless operation that disregards the safety or rights of others or endangers the property of others is
illegal; causing damage with a vessel's wake is a specific example of recklessness identified in the
boating regulations (NREPA 1994b). These laws are intended to both promote public safety and prevent
damage to aquatic resources but were created prior to the commercialization and popularization of
wake boats in Michigan in the early 2000s. As a result of the effects of wake boats outlined above,
the Division concludes that the current 100 -foot buffer is not sufficient to protect public trust aquatic
resources.
POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS
The negative effects of a wake boat decline as the boat travels farther away from the shoreline.
Increasing the minimum distance that boats are allowed to operate at greater -than -no -wake speed
near docks and shoreline would allow more time for wave energy to dissipate and increase protection
of nearshore areas. Other jurisdictions have changed or are considering increased buffer distances
in response to wake boats. For example, the Oregon Marine Board banned wake boats in three of
five zones of the Willamette River and requires that boats maintain extended distances from docks,
boathouses, or moorages when operating for the purpose of wake boarding (200 feet) or wake surfing
(300 feet) (OAR 2020). However, if increased buffer distance requirements are considered for smaller
lakes, there may be less space for any motorized boats to operate above no -wake speed. This situation
can be compounded if the lake has large shoals or shallow water areas less than 3 feet deep that would
further restrict boat use. Therefore, a minimum lake size could be considered for wake boats. For
example, Indiana law restricts operation of a boat at a speed greater than 10 mph on a lake less than
300 surface acres in size (Harwood 2017). Shallow water increases the likelihood that turbulence from
wake boat propellers can scour the bottom, disrupt aquatic plants, and resuspend sediment; accordingly,
requiring a minimum water depth for wake boat operation would provide additional protection of
aquatic resources (Keller 2017). The Division recommends that wake boats operating in wake -surfing
or wake -boarding mode do so in water that is at least 15 feet deep. Ecozones, which protect significant
ecological areas within lakes where the use of watercraft may be limited or prohibited for fish, wildlife,
botanical resource management or the protection of users, could also be implemented to mitigate
wake boat damage. The State of Indiana began using "ecozones" to protect aquatic habitat in 2000
(Harwood 2017; Asplund 2000).
Education and awareness campaigns are an important component of a comprehensive approach to
protecting inland lakes from damage caused by wake boats. Providing operational recommendations in
the recreational boating handbook (MDNR 2021), incorporating educational materials on responsible
wake boat operation in boating safety classes, and providing informational flyers to new wake boat
owners may improve awareness and implementation of best operation practices. Similar practices
have been implemented elsewhere; for example the State of Oregon requires boaters to complete an
educational program to wake board and wake surf on certain sections of the Willamette River.
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CONCLUSION
Wake boats provide a means of outdoor recreation but the waves and propeller turbulence they
generate can damage aquatic environments through a number of mechanisms. The cumulative
effects of these damages will lead to loss of habitat and resulting declines in aquatic ecosystems and
angling opportunity. The recommendations below are intended to provide guidelines under which the
recreational opportunities that wake boats provide can be enjoyed in a manner that minimizes harm to
the natural resources and property of Michigan citizens:
1. Boats operating in wake -surfing mode or wake -boarding mode, during which boat speed, wave
shapers, and/or ballast are set to maximize wave height, should operate at least 500 feet from
docks or the shoreline, regardless of water depth.
2. Boats operating in wake -surfing or wake -boarding modes should operate in water at least
15 feet deep.
3. Ballast tanks should always be drained prior to transporting the watercraft over land.
4. Regulatory authorities and the boating industry should implement an education and outreach
campaign that targets wake boat operators to improve awareness and implementation of the
best practices listed above.
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From: j3rian Parker
To: BessieJo Wagner
Subject: FW: Marina expansion
Date: Monday, January 8, 2024 4:10:20 PM
Attachments: jmage001.onq
Brian Parker, AICP 1 City Planner
216 E. Park Street 1 McCall 1 Idaho 83638
Direct: 208.634.4256 1 Fax: 208.634.3038
City of McCall
From: Shelly DeMoss <shellydemoss@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 8, 2024 1:32 PM
To: Brian Parker <bparker@mccall.id.us>
Subject: Marina expansion
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Good afternoon Brian!
I wanted to send a letter of support for the marina expansion. I am a 5th generation local and
responsible boat owner. It has been a dream come true to have a slip at the marina to create so
many memories with loved ones...and long standing tradition of Payette Lake. Just last year we
entertained over 60 different people on our boat and gave them a gift that most will never forget.
As our area has experienced growth, the congestion at the boat ramp of families wishing to do the
same has gotten more and more nerve wracking. I believe that expanding slips will relieve some of
that congestion, stress and trailer parking issues that we currently face. Tourists and locals alike will
also appreciate the boardwalk as a healthy stroll to connect with nature. My family encourages the
city's support of this expansion and the traditional amenity that the hardworking owners of the
marina provide the community.
Thank you!
Shelly DeMoss
REALTOR° Associate
Crawford Olson Real Estate
208-315-1390 cell
shells( crawfordolson.com
Your 5th Generation Idaho Resident Agent!
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January 9, 2024
City Council and Staff
City of McCall
216EParkSt
McCall, ID 83638
Comments, Public Hearing for CUP 23-07
Before adopting and approving a Conditional Use Permit for Mile High Marina expansion, due
diligence with regard to protection of our public source water is certainly called for. Approval primarily
on the basis of the proponent's assurances that everything's OK would not seem to qualify as due
diligence. As a City water customer and frequent Payette Lake user, I request the City Council consider
adopting the following measures:
1. Given the proximity of the City's primary water system intake to a State highway, a gas station,
storm drain point sources, many businesses and - pertinent to this hearing - marinas, a detailed
City of McCall chemical spill response plan should be developed and in place. The submitted
response plan for this marina's operations may be a good start, but may not capture the City's
interests, and doesn't coordinate with or respond to a City plan. Instead of such a City plan, the
present Source Water Protection Plan chemical spill response entry in Appendix C is simply,
"Follow protocol from DEQ remediation staff". Yes, of course, do that, however please have a
specific and immediate emergency response plan including correct and sufficient emergency
materials, locations, what happens first, second, third. The nearest DEQ office is a hundred
miles away. We've already had our first, albeit small, rodeo with regard to chemical spills in the
lake. The marina's spill response plan should effectively dovetail with the City's plan, but it's
impossible to judge whether that would be the case.
2. A meaningful environmental assessment (EA) as prescribed by MCC 3.7.023.6 for commercial
marinas should be conducted by a qualified third -party firm approved by the City. The EA
should be responsive to scoping criteria provided by the City and the report made available for
public review prior to acceptance given the nature and proximity of the public water intake.
The P&Z staff report omits a number of references in the City's comprehensive plan to environmental
values, water quality and sustainability of Payette Lake. These are important goals and criteria which
should inform the City Council's decision process. The staff report also omits any reference to the 1997
Big Payette Lake water quality management plan and implementation program as adopted by the Idaho
Legislature. That plan includes quite a bit of content related to docks and marinas.
This is not an emergency project, but is one that raises complex issues; there's ample time to understand
the risks, implications, and connected dots involved. Please take your time to make a thoughtful,
informed and diligent decision. Thank you.
David Sim
PO Box 287
McCall, ID 83638
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January 10, 2024
City Council and Staff
City of McCall
216E Park St
McCall, ID 83638
Followup Comments, Public Hearing for CUP 23-07
City officials should know and understand whether toxic ingredients may be found in construction
materials intended for contact with our public source water as part of the proposed marina project. Two
specific examples:
1. Concrete to be used for proposed breakwater anchor blocks should be certified and tested free
of PFAS ("forever chemicals", or polyfluoroalkyl substances) which are sometimes used in
concrete flow agents. PFAS has been shown to leach from concrete where it is used. It should
not be necessary to add such chemicals to concrete for this purpose, and should be a simple
matter to stipulate and certify that no PFAS additives shall be used. Finding out after the fact
that this had been overlooked could result in a threat to public health and liability for all
concerned.
2. Wood products treated with metal and fungicide preservatives may leach into soil and water.
Although the pressure treated wood proposed for marina slip rub rails is EPA approved for some
uses, please determine whether such treated wood is acceptable, in the City's judgment, for
contact with our source water. There are readily available non-toxic alternatives for such
pressure treated wood as used for marine rub rails, such as durable, inert HDPE plastics. This
appears to be a gray area of suitability because it is likely rare for a marina to be close to a
public source water intake. IDEQ seems to have little guidance on this question. It may not be a
simple question to answer, but it is an easily avoided one by switching the choice of material.
It should be straightforward for the City to ensure that materials to be used in the proposed project do
not pose a risk to public health, and could be a regrettable and expensive oversight if missed.
And, of course, going just a step further, the public deserves assurances that dangerous, toxic
substances are not used in any project in the Shoreline and River Environs Zone where there is the
potential for contamination of public waters. This should be a requirement of our zoning code.
Thank you.
David Si
PO Box 287
McCall, ID 83638
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From: Brian Parker
To: BessieJo Wagner
Subject: FW: Mile High Marina Meeting - 1400 Mill Road
Date: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:14:13 AM
Attachments: imacie001.Dnq
Brian Parker, AICP 1 City Planner
216 E. Park Street 1 McCall 1 Idaho 83638
Direct: 208.634.4256 1 Fax: 208.634.3038
City of McCall
From: brian moses <bsmoses@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2024 7:58 PM
To: Brian Parker <bparker@mccall.id.us>
Cc: Blair Moses <blairelizabethmoses@gmail.com>
Subject: Mile High Marina Meeting- 1400 Mill Road
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Hi Brian,
I know there is a meeting this week regarding the improvements that are under review for the Mile
High Marina. As a homeowner for a property that will be directly impacted by these improvements,
we just wanted to share our thoughts on the project since we won't be able to be there in person.
After reviewing the proposed plans, my wife and I are excited for what we hope will be an
improvement to the facility. Seeing that we are directly across the street from the Marina, it will be
for the benefit of all to have this project go through.
If you happen to have any questions, please let us know, otherwise, we are providing a big thumbs
up to the future of the Mile High Marina!!!
Thanks,
Brian & Blair Moses
1400 Mill Road
McCall, ID 83638
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From:
To:
Subject:
Date:
Galen Shaver
BessieJo Wagner
opposition to CUP 23-07
Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:41:59 PM
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Bessie Jo, Could you please add this to the city council's packet and enter it into the record.
Thank you, Judy Anderson
Dear City Council Members,
RE: Proposal to expand the Mile High Marina CUP 24-07
January 10, 2024
I want to acknowledge the work done on envisioning this project. I recognize the attempts by
the boating industry to take responsibility for the impacts they have and will create. And I
acknowledge the good work done by Parks and Rec to try and get some accommodations for
the large non- motorized population of lake users. I am truly grateful for the present
improvements done to Brown's Park. Thank you.
But I would also like to acknowledge and thank the decades of unpaid volunteer work done by
the Payette Lake Protective League, the Big Payette Lake Water Quality Council and other
citizen stewards fighting to protect and preserve the lake, from setting up a sewer district ,to
funding water quality studies; always advocating for the health of the lake and the tributaries ,
for the quality of our drinking water, and for public access. And having to go to bat again and
again when faced with overwhelming pressures from private development.
As for this project, I think we know in our hearts that the trajectory of this proposal is going in
the absolute opposite direction from where we should be headed as a community. We are in a
climate emergency. We are gambling our recreational economy against inevitable drought,
higher water temperatures, decreasing flow from the tributaries, erratic melt off, lower
snowpack, and of course wildfire. Every aspect of climate change is exacerbating the threats
we already have to this lake and our well-being.
To bring down carbon emissions and protect our lake- increasing its resilience- we have to be
courageous and put some limits on our desires, ourselves and our activities. And you as
elected leaders must be brave and make the choice not for today's desires but for tomorrow's
needs for a healthy and clean lake.
Additionally there is also the issue of equity. We are talking here about a publicly shared
commons, that we all have an interest in. One man's pleasure cannot impede so many
others. I suggest that the city work with the county, invoking the Waterways Management Act
and user conflict and pass an ordinance to set aside 2 days a week for strictly non -motorized
use of the lake. Let us have a sublime experience of a still, quiet lake in the middle of summer
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echoing only with the laughter of children, beaches where we can swim out as far as we want
and canoe without fear of swamping. What if it is so marvelous that we want to expand it to
more days? What if some new people come to our lake because it is quiet and safe and less
hectic and they can really relax. Let us see that a future not dominated by fossil fuels is indeed
not only tenable but perhaps preferred.
I ask that you refuse this proposal of expanding themarina and work to institute a fair use of
the lake by establishing days of non- motorized use only.
Sincerely.
Judy Anderson
West Lake Fork
13775 Nisula Road
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ATTACHMENT 2
January 11, 2024
McCall City Council
216 E. Park Street
McCall, ID 83638
Re: Mile High Marina Expansion
Dear Councilmembers,
Please seriously consider the impacts of the proposed Marina Expansion (CUP 23-07) at this
point in time. If the City chooses to go along with the expansion, it should put more conditions
on the permit before it is allowed to move forward.
The marina expansion caters to a particular user group who have an outsized impact on Big
Payette Lake. According to an informal survey performed by the Marina, the majority of those on
the waitlist for a slip do not live in Valley County; many of them have a second home here.
understand the argument that adding 90 slips might curtail boat and truck traffic, but I am
concerned the opposite will happen to our lake, that the expanded marina will encourage more
motorized crafts on a more consistent basis.
The City gets 4% of gross sales on the slips as per the documents in the application. I'm not an
expert in financial details regarding rental arrangements, but it's worth asking this question: If
the City allows the expansion, is this an adequate amount of money for the City to cover
maintenance costs, any repairs to the dock and boardwalk? Who is responsible for maintenance
and repairs? For example, if ice damage occurs on the boardwalk, who will pay? The marina
owner or citizens of McCall?
As we reckon with growth in our community, the City should consider implementing a daily
launch fee. In Tahoe, for example, a one-time launch fee for residents is $17 ($175 season
pass) and for non-residents, $60.00 ($600 season pass). As boat traffic continues to increase
on Big Payette Lake, funds for staffing and enforcement of existing ordinances will be needed. A
launch fee seems logical.
It sounds nice that the mariana expansion includes nine bicycle parking spaces; however, I'm
doubtful that "a significant proportion of users would arrive at the site by bicycle."
Per the documents in the application, Valley County states as one of its objectives: "Maintaining
and enhancing amenities to ensure the provision of a high -quality recreation experience and
higher quality facilities." My question is "high -quality recreation experience" for whom? The
County's second objective is to ensure "public safety of water -based recreationalists, including
both motorized and non -motorized boating." Providing more accessibility to motorized boat
users to an already overcrowded lake is NOT safe. In addition, the powerboats on the lake will
only increase with the addition of powersport dealers and rental shops in town. The timing of the
marina expansion and new boat and rental shops in town is overwhelming.
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User conflicts do exist and will worsen if we don't consider all users of the lake as outlined in the
Waterways Management Plan. Instead of accepting a proposal that increases motorized crafts
on the lake, how about seeking a proposal for a boathouse, a place non -motorized users can
store their kayaks,, canoes, and paddle boards. Let's create infrastructure for walkers and
bikers. Let's create spaces that invite a more diverse user group in McCall.
I know this is a difficult issue to contend with, but thank you for your thoughtful consideration of
the various aspects and long-term impacts a project like this could have on our community.
Sincerely,
Melissa Coriell
McCall, Idaho
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ATTACHMENT 3
Name Address Email Opinion Content
Jeanne 1125 Heavens Gate Ct McCall jmitchell_69@hotmail.com For McCall is a unique place, 1
Mitchell ID 83638 absolutely support a unique
visual on a downtown
building. Our world here
revolves around outdoor
sports, this design is in
harmony with that, even
though it doesn't fit the "city
requirements ". Everyone I
have spoken to regarding this
is in favor of the waterskis
staying. Not one person has
told me they are opposed.
Please let this business keep
their uniqueness;!
Phillip 186 N Main St #321 Donnelly phil_proshop@msn.com For Things like this really make a
Moore ID 83615 city special. The Skis look so
cool on the roof and give the
town Character. I compare it
to the huge Ski fence in Warm
Spring in Sun Valley or the
crazy Antique store with all
the Vintage signs in Idaho
City. People look forward to
seeing these types Of places
and it becomes a tourist
attraction in and of itself -
which benefits everyone.
Please reconsider, and leave
the Ski' s be. Thank you!
Patrick 606 wooley ave McCall ID plumbpat@gmail.com For I think it adds good character
Connolly 83638 for the city of McCall.
Therefore, I am for leaving the
skis on the building.
Ginny Ackley 250 Cold Creek Ct McCall ID ginnyackley@frontier.com For I love the roof. It's totally
83638 McCall and so unique. I
support letting it stay.
Ryan Baker 170 Grassy Place Donnelly Id brgkorp@gmail.com For In favor of keeping the roof as
83615 is. Don't take all of the charm
from McCall
Crista 12853 cascade dr Donnelly moombaid@gmail.com For Added charm to an old
Evangelho Idaho 83651 building
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Brian Recher 14005 Hogue Hollow rd
Mccall ID 83638
Jane Kapp 154 Heath pl Donnelly I'd
83615
Lindsey
Harris
Jeanne
Paulson
Bonnie
Layton
Clint
Musgrove
brian@resoluterestoration.com For
janekapp@outlook.com
104 E Park Street McCall ID Iharrisbizness@gmail.com
83638
314 Cece Way Mccall Idaho
83638
706 Lick Creek Road #8
McCall Idaho 83638
jeannepaulson3@gmail.com
bonnie.layton12@gmail.com
3220 clay lane New meadows clint.musgrove@aol.com
Idaho 83654
Phil Ray 700 First St McCall ID 83638 pjrinc@msn.com
Christine 486 Verita Mccall Id 83638 christinethayer@msn.com
Thayer
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
This roof should be allowed!!!
We love it and it adds so
much to the street. WAY
COOLER than the hideous
library design! Let them keep
it!
I like the ski roof. It shows
charm and adds to the
quaintness of the area.
I am in favor of this building's
appeal to retain their ski roof.
I respect and understand the
need for code to ensure our
community stays cohesive
and beautiful, but feel this
roof should be an exception
because of the homage it
pays to our winter cultural
roots and the uniqueness it
brings to our downtown. The
building owners have
beautified their building with
the bright and colorful mural
and we love their creative
take on a traditional roof as
well. As long as they maintain
it and it's safe for the public,
please consider allowing this
roof. Thank you for your time!
Mccall needs to stay positive
in representing a snow tow
resort, which we are and
always have been. Why would
you be against skis on a
business bldg? They've
proven its safe!
This artistic flare should be
celebrated and approved!
Leave the skis on the roof and
worry about the ever growing
pot hole problem. McCall has
alway been a unique town
and you people are constantly
trying to rob it of that. Do the
right thing and move on with
your business.
Let the ski roof stay. It looks
great!
Looks great. We are a ski
town, afterall! I like the
uniqueness.
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David 635 Ruby St. McCall Idaho wesatkinson.wa@gmail.com For Allow this business to keep
Atkinson 83638 their water ski exterior
decorations on their building.
Water skiing is a classic past
and present recreational
activity in the city of McCall.
The skis on their building
embodies the great vibes and
the unique, fun, atmosphere
that is McCall. I personally
believe the water skis are very
original and should be
allowed to be displayed.
Anyone who disagrees and
currently sits in a city council
seat should rethink what it
means to be an Idahoan living
in McCall.
Trenton 206 Buckcamp Rd Mccall ID trent1410604@gmail.com For I like the design and would
Holenbeck 83638
i love for the owners to
decorate as they. Please. It
looks cool and fun and fits the
image of McCall.
Angie Rader 209 Dusk Ct Caldwell ID • adrader125@gmail.com For I have been both a resident
83605 AND a visitor to McCall since
the 60's. My first job out of
college was at McCall
Memorial Hospital in a 2
room surgery suite. My family
owned property on the lake
and the golf course and I still
have family living in Lake Fork
and New Meadows. I learned
to ski at Brundage. One of the
best things about McCall has
always been how it uniquely
embraces the culture... the
lake, the ski town vibe, etc.
The ski roof is not hurting
anyone and if it is ordered
removed, it will be yet one
more loss and one step closer
to the "old" McCall
disappearing forever. Please
remember where McCall
came from... the values, the
small town quirkiness that has
drawn so many people to
your area. The ski roof is
beautiful and looks like it
belongs. It NEEDS to stay.
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Georgie 13322 Vili Road Donney ID geopitron@gmail.com For Do what the people want —we
pitron 83615 pay the taxes and elect you.
Let McCall be unique like this
roof and stop the suppressive
government. It's not hurting
anyone and looks cool. Worry
about bigger issues that
actually matter.
Alex 13752 Highway 55 Mccall ID dhream17@gmail.com For I am against this store having
Macgregor 83638 to remove the skis to the roof.
Shaun Frick 808 Aspen ALY McCall Idaho beaufrick@gmail.com For I feel that the ski roof
83638 represents history and what
McCall is about.
Ed Branson 13141 Hillhouse Loop ed.m.branson@lesschwab.com For This is a ski community and it
Donnelly Id 83615 appeals to all walks of life. The
current appearance isn't
hurting anyone or anything.
Leave it as is. Do the right
thing.
Paige 191 Dutch Oven Ln Donnelly dumlaopaige19@gmail.com For This valley needs our small
Dumlao Idaho 83615 businesses to be able to
thrive. I think it great to have
the businesses adding their
own touches. Just let them
keep the ski roof it's not
taking away anything from
the town.
Catherine 598 diamond street McCall Id douglcm0531@gmail.com
Douglas 83638
For
Support the arts. I think it
adds a uniqueness to McCall.
Unfortunately, I don't see
business lasting, with an
exorbitant supply of novelty,
tourist, wear. I do support the
artistic appeal they have
added to McCall.
Sylvia Kober 128 Forest Lake Circle sylviakober@gmail.com For The skis add a super fun
Donnelly ID 83615 element to the building! We
love the fun, funky, and fresh
look! Leave them!!
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Jamie Parker " 621 Fox Ridge Ln McCall ID jnparker61@gmail.com
83638
Callie sands
2995 round valley rd New calliesands@gmail.com
meadows ID 83654
Against The guy knew when he
installed the skis they were
against code as he clearly
stated in the Star News article
published earlier this year.
He's applying the old adage
of better to beg forgiveness
than ask permission. I'm
going to say "what you
permit, you promote"....so be
prepared for others to do the
same if you grant his appeal.
Plus I think the skis look
tacky...not to mention what a
safety issue they're going to
be when the snow finally
comes.
For
Leave the businesses alone!!!
It's hard enough for
businesses to survive in
_.McCall let alone the current
crappy economy. Your job is
to NOT interfere with people
but promote them. Get a bit
of power & y'all can't wait to
roll over people. Government..
even at the city level, is
supposed to be LIMITED!!!
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Eric Packer 121 Idaho St McCall ID 83638 ericwpacker@yahoo.com
Lin Gale 1607 Davis Ave McCall Idaho lininidaho@gmail.com
83638
Richard 112 Mather Road McCall rmorishita@live.com
Morishita Idaho 83638
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting
Opinion Content
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ATTACHMENT 3
I am writing to have the skis
stay on the roof of Laketown
Shore Shop at 200 Lenora St. I
know that there was concern
(by the city) about how the ski
roof did not fit in with the
design standards of McCall.
Personally, I was never a fan
of the original roof and do
not find this building to
reflect much of what I would
expect from such a resort
town. The skis on the roof,
however, provide an
improvement to the building
and brings it more in line with
the character that would be
expected from the city
buildings. Furthermore, such
efforts by the city to not
respect the private property
rights of building owners (and
their tenants) only serve to
replicate the damage that
similar efforts had on the city
(and the surrounding areas of
Valley County) after the
recession of the late 2000's. In
the early 2010's, Valley County
had an unemployment rate of
about 12%, one of the highest
counties in Idaho. If a
business is going to fail in
McCall, it should be due to
free market forces and lack of
business acumen by its
owners, not because of
heavy-handed city
regulations.
Against I agree with the original
decision to not approve this
roof. The owner could have
avoided a lot of problems by
seeking approval prior to
installing the roof. It's ugly
and detracts from the
downtown area. Thank you.
For
I am writing in support of the
appeal of AA -23-12. I fail to
understand why the
decorative roof facade is
unacceptable. It fits with a
mountain, lake shore
recreational town. I also fail to
see any increased danger
from snow accumulation and
falling snow. I feel that it has
been unfairly ruled a ainst.
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Destiny
mike)
1640 Davis st McCall ID
83638
huntd1998@gmail.com For
We are a ski town doesn't
make sense why we wouldn't
allow this makes it look so
cute!!
Davia 713 Bridle Path Way McCall davia.greenwood@gmail.com
Greenwood ID 83638 ID 83638
For
I love the ski roof!
KIM JONES 9609 PACKER JOHN ROAD
CASCADE ID 83611
kimjones@aol.com
Heidi Powell 1705 S Florence St Nampa heidijopowell@gmail.com
Idaho 83686
Daphne
Hosier
For
For
The skis are charming and of
great visual appeal. McCall is
a ski town, for heaven's sake,
let them stay!
The skis look great and are
fitting for the mountain town.
Let them stay!
760 Sawgrass Ct Payette Id dafferdu@hotmail.com
83661
For
Love the new look, very
unique and fitting for their
business. Should be allowed
to remain for sure!
Larry and
Claudia
Elmore
Christina
Mohler
616 N 3rd St Ste 309 McCall konaelrriore@gmail.com
ID 83638
6 Smylie Ct McCall ID 83638
Kath Davis 169 Titus Lane McCall ID
83638
William and
Bonnie
Gilbert
P O Box 1609 McCall ID
83638
chrissr997@gmail.com
kdavis818@comcast.net
bkgilbert@icloud.com
For
For
For
For
We think the skis should stay!
The ski roof is such a fun art
piece in my opinion. Since it is
in a ski town, it fits right in
and adds a wonderful touch
for locals and tourists to
enjoy. There really is no good
reason to make the owner
remove the materials.
The City of McCall has much
more important issues than
not liking a roof. As long as
the roof itself is not damaged,
move on to something more
important.
We need to quit stepping on
the toes of small businesses.
We find nothing offensive or
too bad. It's a good landmark
and expresses one of the
sports we all love about
McCall.
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Michelle 13276 Rainbow Rd McCall princessfinkey@yahoo.com For I feel they should be able to
Gehrung IDAHO 83638 keep the skis up. Almost any
ski town you go to has skis up
on their roof or fencing. This
add character not only to
their business but the town of
McCall as well. Every business
has a unique way of adding
flair to their frontage and this
work for them. This seems to
be well accepted by the
majority.
Meg
Glasgow
235 Ernesto McCall ID 83638 glasgowmeg@gmail.com
For
The roof embellishments add
character to the building and
personality to the town. Keep
the skis!
Heather 116 Gardner PI Cascade ID heathaaah@yahoo.com For The building is unique and
Berry 83611 the ski roof adds character
and warmth to the city of
McCall. It's art and nice to see
the creativity our mountain
community offers.
Mary Ellen 1901 Mason Hill Dr maryellenreed09@gmail.com For I love the skis on the roof! It's
reed Alexandria VA 22307 creative and fun and reminds
me of what McCall used to
look like. Stop making
everything look the same. It's
a tourist ski town! Leave the
skis alone!!
Susan Rader 2745 13th St Clarkston WA raders699@gmail.com For Such a cute design and
99403 relevant to the business.
Leave it be!
Robin tellis 558 elk haven circle Pollock thyjunkethmail@gmail.com For Ski towns need character...
Id 83547 what better way to decorate
your building in a ski town.
Skis should be able to stay.
Eris 405 rio vista blvd MCCALL ID mochaeris@yahoo.com Against If one person is allowed to
Montchalin 83638 change the rules all business's
should get that option.
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Bryan 1747 W Roseberry Road bryanbrasher7@gmail.com For As a full time resident of
Brasher Donnelly ID 83615 Valley County, I appeal to the
council to reconsider their
judgment and allow the "ski
roof" to remain. With the
growth and development of
McCall, very few unique and
culturally significant features
remain. Cookie cutters give
you predictable results, but
lack soulful connections that
artists use to create. There are
plenty of perfectly cut
"cookies" in McCall, isn't it ok
if something reflects the
character and culture of the
community in different ways?
The most important part of a
cookie is the way it tastes, not
the way it was cut. Remember
Variety is the spice of life.
Please reconsider, and allow
the "ski roof" to remain.
Thank you, Bryan Brasher
Jason Duran 164 e lake fork Mccall I'd jtduran@mac.com For Ski roof looks awesome !
83638 Keep it
Kevin Pitcher 1160 W Judah Loop Nampa kevin.e.pilcher@gmail.com For The ski roof should stay! It is
ID 83651 unique and adds to the charm
and uniqueness that makes
McCall so amazing! Don't
make the city cookie cutter,
let it be it's unique self! That is
why McCall is so special. I say
the ski roof stays!
Brenda
Maiuro
Savannah.maiuro@gmail.com savannah.maiuro@gmail.com
McCall ID 83638
For Having them remove the ski's
to the roof is wrong and
would take business away.
Seeing the ski's brings
business and makes people
want to go in and check out
the store. Let them be!
Kelley 124 Kens PI McCall ID 83638 kelleybateman@gmail.com For As someone who has lived in
Bateman McCall my whole life this is
the least of McCalls concern.
The roof on this building
creates a unique view. It
brings the "old McCall" back.
Tourist love it, locals love it,
everyone loves it. Don't take
something away that brings a
sense of community and
vintage flair. It's too special of
a kind of art that McCall
doesn't have anymore.
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Brogan See 444 Rio Vista Blvd Mccall ID mseefamily@yahoo.com For Imagine finding this beautiful
83638 town and having the
American Dream of owning
your own business. Only for a
small town committee to
shoot down the merely
esthetics of your stores
outside look. It's not
offensive, not a safety concern
or harmful to the building. It's
just their desire to control yet
another aspect of our small
community that seems to be
throat grabbed at every twist
and turn. We want growth, we
want more for our community
and its members and youth.
Stand behind this company
and let them have the skis for
the love of MCCALL!!
Jacobs 49 Silver Fox Spur McCall ID rickjacobsl0@msn.com For Not all business need to look
83638 the same how boring would
that be
Jana Keating 1035 Cedar Lane McCall janakeating@yahoo.com For This roof fits in perfectly with
Idaho 83638 the vibe of McCall! A sports
town! Very unique!
Sean 495 deinhard In 4292 Mccall madden.investments@yahoo.com For I think it was done with
madden Id 83638 purpose and should be
allowed to give it a try for at
least one season to see if any
actions are warranted or are
they just what ifs (like snow
falling on people)We need
more things like this to keep
our town unique!
Timothy 205 W 2nd Ave Salmon ID timdodds@live.com
Dodds 83467
For
McCall has always been
known as "Ski Town USA".
Why would "Ski Town USA
outlaw such a novel idea?
Find more important stuff to
fight. Tim Dodds, Salmon
Idaho. MDHS class of 1980
Stacie 1819 fairway loop McCall Id stacielockner@gmll.com For Given character to the
lockner 83638 downtown area.
Kathy 2635 Eastside Drive McCall ID kascofield@gmail.com For This is a great tourist
Scofield 83638 attraction displaying creativity
& focusing on McCall's
uniqueness. I am in complete
agreement in allowing this
building to remain as it is
decorated with water skiis &
also the outboard motors!
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Danielle
Niemi
Amber
Peyton
13408 Sw Barnum Dr Tigard allan.dani@gmail.com
OR 97223
For
So great! Love the artistic
expression. Makes the town
and area cuter. Why would
anyone want to stifle this
great idea to repurpose and
reuse waterskis??? Love, love
their idea and love the old
motors in the back. It's almost
like a museum. They have
great ideas of reusing so
many typical blast from the
past items inside too!!! I hope
we can keep it just as they
intended!!! I will fight for you!
13936 Spring Valley Road
Donnelly ID 93615
apeyton@cox.net
For
I love how it looks! Gives the
place character!
Tam 1575 Oakwood Rd Mccall Id blackbearlookout@gmail.com
Hollenbaugh 83638
Brian Davis 321 Rio Vista Blvd Mccall
Idaho 83638-4302
Hilary
Brophy
Bryant
Forrester
brianandheatherdavis@gmail.com
40 White Fir Loop Donnelly hbrophy9@gmail.com
ID 83615
325 w Forest St MCCALL
Idaho 83638
bryantf1954@gmail.com
Shellie Boss 10 Glendale Court Cascade timberlady@yahoo.com
Idaho 83611
For
For
For
For
For
This roof design is a fun and
appropriate attraction for a
ski resort town. And in my
opinion, well done. It's side -
street location does not
interfere with the quaint look
of the main street buildings.
It's actually a fun surprise to
discover this building! And it
looks better than some other
nearby buildings. I believe it is
good for surrounding
businesses, because people
notice it and tell others. This
draw may help relieve some
of the traffic congestion (both
vehicle and pedestrian) on the
main streets, and in turn,
promote more shopping on
side streets.
I am for allowing the owners
to keep the "water ski roof". It
was well done and fits with
the history of McCall. As long
as it's kept in good repair I
have I see no issue.
Allow this business to keep
the unique ski roof they have
put on. Looks fantastic.
The ski roof is exemplary of
McCall's fun and active home
grown fun. No more
dangerous than snow falling
off other vendors stores.
Leave the skis alone. If this is
a ski town they should be
allowed. They look cool.
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Kathy Sawdy 1391 Greystone Dr Mccall ID
83638
ksawdy@yahoo.com
For I believe that the ski roof is
aesthetically pleasing given
that we are a ski town. Please
allow the ski roof to stay!
Thank you for your thoughtful
consideration.
Anita 12964 Sandy Dr Donnelly ID anita@3bitgames.com For This gives such a unique and
Fleming 83615 fun look to a boring looking
Elizabeth
Jones
12880 Norwood Rd
DONNELLY ID 83615
building. Abundance of
personality. Please let it stay.
idarow@gmail.com For A little character in our town
is a good thing. While the
roof doesn't match
regulations, the roof beneath
it does. I see no threat to the
public nor do I see why it
needs to be a blanket
disapproval. A little flexibility
to all businesses, with
individual review when
someone wants to do
something unique would be
the way to view these things,
now, and in the future.
Liz O'Brien 2043 Plymouth Court McCall lizzieob@gmail.com
ID 83638
For The exterior of the building
adds character and charm. It
should stay.
Kelly Meyer 94 E Prospectors Drive camperchick7@gmail.com For Seeing a clever and creative
Cascade ID 83611 splash of (applicable) charm
added to a Valley Co. business
is refreshing! This is a quality
and tasteful example of such.
In fact, I drove past this
business several weeks ago
with an out-of-state visitor in
my car and THEY made
special note to comment
aloud "how neat the roof on
that building" is! Let it remain,
I say! Whimsy makes
memorable and draws people
into our towns and
businesses.
Lisa Roberts 12911 Dawn Drive Donnelly Iisa21410@aol.com
Idaho 83615
Candace 3830 Hot Springs Rd New csoders@hotmail.com
Sodetston Meadows ID 83654
For
For
This roof detail is perfect for a
quaint mountain town. Please
let the skis stay!
Please find a way to approve
this roof design. We LOVE the
skis and it is SO McCall!!!!
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David Heflin 73 Slyer Fox Trail McCall dheflin7@yahoo.com
Idaho 83638
Kelli Day 409 N Samson Trl Mccall ID kelliday12@gmail.com
83638
Heather
Lewis
13267 Brookie Rd Mccall ID heather.s.lewis@gmail.com
83638
Laurie 14026 Comfort McCall ID Iwarrenpetersen@gmail.com
Petersen 83638
Tara Seubert 392 Moon Drive McCall Id tarajane909@gmail.com
83638
LaVerne
Skiftun
509 Brundage Drive McCall rlaverne61@yahoo.com
ID 83638
For
If there are no real safety
concerns then who cares. If
there are legitimate concerns
then they can be discussed at
the meeting and options
weighed. Let the locals decide
on this silly issue including
any safety concerns. McCall is
loosing its small town appeal
which can only be addressed
by limiting over reach. Huge
homes are being built daily
and changing our Idaho
community. Additionally, I
thought that we were not
supposed to have large chain
stores in town? What
happened to allowing
Nature's Grocery in town. The
one stop cant get it all stop.
For
I love the uniqueness and
hope they are allowed to keep
the skis on the building.
For
For
For
For
The design choice by this
buildings occupants fits
perfectly in McCall- we are a
ski resort town! Objection to
this fits perfectly with
government overreach :1
It makes that building look
better.
As someone who was born
and raised in McCall, I am
disappointed in the way that
the city government show
very little support for the
locals and small businesses.
Let them keep their awesome
roof (that is doing no harm to
anyone) and realize that your
time and energy is better
spent elsewhere, like
providing affordable housing
for all of the hard working
locals! The people of McCall
deserve the chance to be
expressive and unique,
instead of being put in a box
by cookie cutter regulations.
I thought it was very clever for
our "Ski Town." I personally
see no reason for them to
have to take the skis down.
Thank you!
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Danielle 705 Reedy lane Mccall ID daniellergray@hotmail.com For I think it's unique and adds to
Gray 83638 our ski town, leave them
alone, it's not an eyesore, in
the 45 years I've lived here it
sure feels like our sweet little
town is changing and not for
the better.
Cara Hipwell 600 Hayes St McCall ID 83638 carahipwell@gmail.com For I think the ski's on the roof
are really cool for McCall. As
long as the roof is functional, I
thought it was just a look they
are going for as part of their
business. I don't mind if it
stays!
Janna Allen 155 Potter Ln Mccall ID jannaallen@live.com For The original "Ski Town USA"!
83638 The water ski roof adds some
much needed character to our
town! Please keep them!
David Jones
533 Morning Dove Marsing djones01974@hotmail.com
ID 83639
For
McCall has long been a sport
tourist destination. Resorts
and, SPA's and skiing, fishing.
Why would you discriminate
against a business having
taste in artistic style to draw
attention for again tourists. I
say yes.
Joan Holmes 18 Fawnlilly Dr McCall ID joanholmes88@gmail.com For I support the appeal
83638 AA -22-12 by Laketown
Clothing Company, McCall to
keep the "ski roof". It aligns
with the hometown ski feel
that so many ski towns have
given up. McCall needs to
retain that vibe. Also, it would
be a tremendous financial
burden to the owners to have
to redo such a creative project
& isn't it our job to support
one another so local
entrepreneurs can thrive?
Please collaborate with
Laketown to come up with a
reasonable win -win solution. I
LOVE the ski roof!
Barry R 205 Titus Ln Donnelly Idaho barrybarj2@gmail.com For This roof looks great. Please
Johnson 83615 allow it to stay. The city has
taken to much control by a
few. The whole valley
supports McCall but
unfortunately we have no
control over who runs the
town. I do not understand the
cold look of the new city
archetectur
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Kimberly 1502 Mill Rd #3 McCall ID kimyjohnson22@gmail.com For Looks great! Adds charm and
Johnson 83638 individuality to downtown
McCall. Tell the nervous
nellies to walk in the middle
of the street!
Eric Geisler 17 Haymnaker Place McCall ericsgeisler@yahoo.com For I would like to support the
Idaho 83638 retention of water skis along
the roof facade. The theme is
within the scope of sports
offered in McCall, the colors
are a nice addition to the
downtown area. During snow
season the snow should
rapidly shed from the roof
which is probably safer than
having it build up on the
original roof perimeter where
it could fall unpredictably or
require considerable effort
keep it removed. It will also
provide an easily identifiable
landmark for visitors need
directions.
Debi Cook 1980 Sorrel Dr New Meadows wttaryde@yahoo.com
ID 83654
Jeffrey 300 Mountain Cove Court jeffriechmann@cs.com
Riechmann McCall Idaho 83638-4501
Bradley 669 Koski McCall Id 83638 bbrault208@gmail.com
Brault
For Am in favor of keeping the
water ski roof. If safety is a
concern, then have them
build something to protect
the public. Although I don't
see how the skis are any more
of a factor for snow shed than
the original roof. They can
install the same devices used
elsewhere to break up the
snow shed. As for aesthetics, I
absolutely approve of the
quirkiness and ingenuity of
the roof. I believe it adds
charm.
For
For
I am opposed to the
requirement to remove the
skis from the roof of this
building. I am of the opinion
that this decor fits in with the
"theme" of McCall.
As long as the falling snow
risk is mitigated, I'm fine with
it. There are bigger eye sores
in the area and a little less
local government pressure
would be nice.
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Debra 2875 Waterwheel Rd Emmett debrawigginsstephens@gmail.com For My grandparents had a cabin
Stephens Idaho 83617 in McCall 50 years ago. I have
a place outside of Cascade. I
see nothing wrong with very
cool ski roof! It is interesting
and safe. Are you not a ski
town? Who wants cookie
cutter towns!
Geddy 9118 E Sprague Ave Spokane geddytattoos@gmail.com
Anderson Valley WA 99206
Karen moser 467 gold fork rd Donnelly Id mkmfarm@frontiernet.net
83615
For
This is an awesome ski roof
that makes McCall an
awesome ski town. I was
happy when I saw this roof.
It's sad some people in
government have nothing
better to do than mess with
small business owners.
For I love the ski roof. I
understand the need for
covenants, guidelines and
rules. But this is a ski/outdoor
recreational community. This
building is unique and has
thought outside of the box.
The skis need to stay.
Linda 245 Tre Lane McCall ID 83638 tundrababe143@gmail.com For I think there are much more
Chandler important issues to address. I
understand having guidelines
for buildings but I believe the
skis should fall under
signage/advertising not
architectural. Listen to what
the public wants, don't let ego
and the need for power
dictate your decision.
Kathleen 511 Skyline Drive Cascade ID syringalforal@yahoo.com For Keep the Ski Roof! It adds to
Wilson 83611 the charm and personality of
the town.
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Betsy Ogden 418 Floyd St McCall Id 83638 betsyblythe@yahoo.com For I am not a skier, but I love
what they have done with this
building! McCall's
culture/style is currently " no
style at all"! Face it: We ARE a
tourist town that is growing!!!
We need to embrace change
and allow businesses to
thrive. I feel like the
community woos people to
come in, and fails to support
them once they are here. Out
with the old and in with the
new!! The ridiculousness of
not allowing signage and
things that allow businesses
to stand out is such a thing of
the past and you need to let it
go and support these
incoming businesses!!!
Nancy Lane 1300 Bitterroot Dr McCall dogfan.nlane@gmail.com For By no means traditional, but it
Idaho 83638 is tastefully creative and not
offensive. It is in keeping with
focus of business offerings. It
provides character to the
shop without being loud or
obnoxious. I actually
commend them for their
decision. 1 would caution
them, they may experience
vandalism or become victim
to loss of boards as potential
pranks may occur. If so, I
would appreciate their
commitment to prompt fixing
and upkeep. I support this
roofing as creative and
tasteful. I actually believe it
will benefit businesses by
enticing tourists to visit stores
beyond just main st for
curiosity sake.
Mikki Martin
13990 e blacks creek road mikkimmartin@gmail.com
Boise Id 83716
For The McCall I grew up in
embraced the culture of the
small town and ski town. The
changes that have come are
overbearing and overstepping
of many, especially this
business owner. The appeal
this roof gives is exactly the
appeal people who come to
visit are seeking. It adds
charm and character to the
town and is not the rights of
the city to take away. Time to
stop overstepping.
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Jennifer 14015 Nisula Road McCall ID jendummar@hotmail.com For Hello Council Members, I am
Dummar 83638 writing to you on behalf of a
new business located
downtown in McCall. This
business has decorated the
exterior of their store with
vintage water skis and I
immediately loved them. The
decor represents our town's
love of Payette Lake and the
recreation it provides us. It is
my opinion and wish that the
skis attached to the building
on the corner of Lenora and
First Streets stay in place. I
feel safe walking the
sidewalks underneath that
building. I appreciate the
charm it adds to our "Ski
Town, USA." I absolutely love
the vibrancy and diversity it
brings to our downtown. In
closure, I am not sure what
future vision our planners
have for our town, but I
sincerely hope they do not
wash over our collective love
of recreation, free design, and
fun spirit. Please vote to allow
the business to keep this
unique installation in our
beautiful town. Thank you for
your time, Jennifer Dummar
Chenoa 435 McGinnis St McCall Id chenoabadley@yahoo.com For I like the ski roof. I am a born
Badley 83638 and raised 4th generation
valley county local. Town has
lost a lot of its old charm by
people building new and
modernizing the store fronts
and streets. I say keep the
character alive in our town.
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Julie 704 1st St. McCall Id 83638 julie_hellerman@hotmail.com For Owning 2 businesses in
Hellerman McCall, co-founder
mccallcabins.com and Central
Idaho Pool & Spa (Store was
in Alpine Village) I have
experienced the city of McCall
penalizing the little guy and
supporting the big guy. From
taxing to sign colors (the city
turned down my request for
the color white in my sign
when at the same time in
2018, Albertsons had a VERY
WHITE SIGN sitting on the
building and at the street).
This business is adding
creativity to our community.
They are investing THEIR
money into an improvement
and they are utilizing some
creativity to increase
noticability for the purpose of
surviving being a small
business. The city of McCall
claims to support the little
guy, but they don't seem to
be requiring folks who bought
up.commercial property
during the downturn, whojust
sit on that commercial
property not requiring
anything of them and
certainly not requiring them
to be asthetically acceptable
over closed up, unused or
used for personal storage. So
why go after this business??
Let them thrive, let them be
creative and SUPPORT THEM.
Its hard to understand how
the city would want the skis
down, when McPaws just had
a large mural done on their
back wall, that is very
distracting to drivers. Not sure
why one would be OK, and
not the other. Support ALL of
your businesses McCall, not
just a select few.
Kim Pierson 4834 Giada Drive Missoula kimipierson@gmail.com For As a former mccall resident, I
MT 59808 love then ski roof!! Its clever
and attractive. Why not
support the creativity? Please
allow them too keep the roof!
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Guymon
scott
anderson
Donovan
Salstrom
Melissa
mitchell
Kevan
Mitchell
Landon
McKinney
Deonna
Barnard
Hailey
Bishop
61 Golden Bar Donnelly ID
83615
drguymon@hotmail.com For
201 Scott St McCall ID 83638 sbarnuma@gmail.com For
14952 NW Maple Lane
Seabeck WA 98380
25831 legacy lane Middleton
Id 83644
25831 Legacy Ln Middleton
Idaho 83644
6981, S Donaway Ave
Meridian Idaho 83642
26016 Riverview Rd Wilder ID
83676
4487 W Aspen Creek St
Meridian ID 83642
Christy 4662 Williams Creek Loop
Hubbard McCall Idahoe 83638
SHANE
KELLEY
Snapper
LaGrone
20 buckskin Donnelly ID
83615
2449 Hague rd Midvale Id
83645
pebbly-robins-Ot@icloud.com
melissawrightmitch@yahoo.com
kjmit2006@gmail.com
landonmckinney@icloud.com
stardakota06@gmail.com
hdbishop.05@gmail.com
lawteeda@gmail.com
Hucker333@gmail.com
snapper@sdtmil.com
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Please allow this company to
keep their unique roof. Its fun
and adds to the cool McCall
Vibe. This should be an easy
yes for you all. I understand
the concern that if you allow
this then what is going to be
next but lets focus on this
specific roof design. I see no
problem with it. Looks great
and adds to the feel of
McCall.
I love the skis! It is a creative
bright spot in the over
sanitized downtown area.
Bureaucrats by nature are
unqualified to make creative
decisions. Furthermore, I do
not buy the safety concern
that was expressed in the
original meeting.
Please save the shop
Keep the skis!!
It's a staple of McCall and
draws in good traffic for the
city
Save the Skis!!!
i think it adds character to the
town. it adds to their
business.
THERES ROOFING MATERIAL
UNDER IT. People looking at it
while driving is their own fault
not the decoration's .
Love the skis!! It is super cute
and really add to the town
character! Don't understand
how this could possibly be a
hazard????
Keep it don't be lame let
people do what they want it's
a free country
I grew up here and we need
to keep a little small town
spirit!
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Kristen 1020 Violet way Mccall ID kristendepew@comcast.net For the skis are a part of what
DePew 83638 makes McCall a ski town and
beautiful. Why would you
destroy something???
Kelly Moss 860 Timber Ridge ct McCall kellymiller2961@gmail.com
For McCall has very little
Idaho 83638 character, let it be
Michael 138 Cougar Court Pollock ID su_ dsynshotzi@gmail.com For It seems to me that this owner
Fithian 83547 has some sense of knowing
what their community brand
looks like and added a touch
of that appeal to their
building. It is things like this
that add to a towns charm
and is desperately needed
especially in a town that lives
or dies by tourism. It's very
apparent that either McCall
city council forgot which side
their bread is buttered on or
they simply wish to punish a
local merchant to wield the
sword of power. Either way, if
this business is forced to alter
their building facade to
comply with some tyrants
whim, I will never visit McCall
nor do any of my business
there in the future. Period.
This type of entrapenurism
should.be supported by the
council, rather than bullied
into submission. You folks
need to learn your place. They
are the reason you have such
a job to begin with.
Anna Fisk 2202 Ridge Rd Council Idaho af627@icloud.com For It's looks great it show's
83612 creativity and adds an
interesting point of focus
that's makes a visitor curious.
Christy 361 T J Loop McCall ID 83638 cdsofaly@gmail.com For I love the skis!!! They do
Safely absolutely nothing to create a
safety hazard like you claim.
Plus, really? We live in the
great white north. There is
more_risk from slipping on ice
on a daily basis in -the winter
than from snow falling off the
roof. If anything, the skis act
as cleats keeping the snow on
the roof, not making it more
likely to fall on someone. They
also add character to the
town. This code decision is
about as smart as removing
parking spaces on 2nd street.
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Jenny 261 Buckcamp Rd Mccall ID jennifer.millington@gmail.com For I love the feeling I get when 1
Sowers 83638 look at the shop now. The
roof represents sport,
recreation, fun and a lake
community! It's visible,
creative and attractive. 1 love
it! It's McCall.
Justin Sofaly 361 T J Loop McCall ID 83638 jsofaly44@gmail.com
Jillana 13257 Brookie Rd Mccall ID jillanae@gmail.com
Ellsworth 83638
For I am for keeping the skis on
the roof of the downtown
business. There are other
things the city can worry
about. The skis do not create
a safety risk, and they are
charming and express the
recreational nature of our
town.
For
I am for the skis staying put. I
think it ads an artistic feel and
ambience to our town. I say it
stays!
Michelle 278 Rapid River Rd Riggins ID rigginstouristtrap@gmail.com For I am in support of this small
83549 business owner expressing
their creative freedom while
serving their community in an
industry they are passionate
about and clearly aligns with
your city's means of
commerce. The building looks
nice and brings personality to
your town.
Christine 129 stibnite #7 McCall ID christine.reino@primelending.com For I want to see the roof stay and
Reino 83638 support the creative look it
adds to our community.
Deborah 3211 canyon creek way New deborah.slack@sbcglobal.net For Keep the ski roof. It is clever
Slack meadows Id 83654
and fun to look at!
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Josie Meyer
6495 E Escarpment Ct Boise josie.meyer1@gmail.com
ID 83716
For
I lived in town until last year, I
have loved seeing the ski roof
when I come back to visit. It
brings charm to the sweet
mountain ski town, why not
let a building bring
personality? I'm now in Boise
and myself, and countless
others 1 know, often discuss
how many new homes a
buildings have no personality,
and bring a boring look to the
town. I think the skis are a
unique idea, 1 hadn't seen it
anywhere else. I now work at
Bogus Basin and we often talk
about sustainability in the
outdoor industry. I hope these
are repurposed skis, as it's a
great way to give a new life to
expensive outdoor gear that
has served its first purpose.
Please keep the ski roof.
Katherine 325 Rio vist blvd Mccall Id kateheady@hotmail.com
Heady 83638
For
I love it
Hanna 137 Brundage View Ct McCall jlbybee1@yahoo.com
Tweedy ID 83638
Nyika
Campbell ID 83706
1406 S Longmont Ave Boise nyika77@gmail.com
James
Campbell WI 53703
Bryce W
Campbell WA 98052
1514 Morrison St. Madison
Peggy
Garties
2651 156th Ave NE Redmond
jamie7campbell@gmail.com
bwcampbell9@gmail.com
1514 Morrison St. Madison pgarties@gmail.com
WI 53703
NATHAN E 1309 s Samson trail Mccall ID fastar3@gmail.com
Fastabend 83616
For What better way to
commemorate the lake than
to have a business with water
skis! Plus this is a good
repurpose effort of old skis.
Please allow this unique decor
to remain.
For
Local art like this is what gives
towns character!! Keep the
skies.
For We love the skis!
For
For
For
These skis are a fun and
unique attraction that delights
tourists and locals alike!
They ar e fun and one more
thing that makes me eat to
hang out and walk around
downtown.
The skis are a unique addition
that improves the value of the
location for tourists and
residents.
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Pat Aarti 708 Fir Street McCall ID msaarti@gmail.com
83638
For
I think it is a good lookand
adds a touch of artistic appeal
for a ski town. It doesn't seem
to be a permanent part of the
building, so should be
considered under "a banner
or advertisement category".
Carol 1055 Cee Way Loop Mccall ID clbradfield54@gmail.com For Keep the roof it's a nice touch.
Bradfield 83638
Heidi 145 Chukkar Run Pollock ID peta10617@gmail.com For Let them keep the skis! Life is
Gregory 83547 short, being creative is a good
thing!
Larissa 1401 Davis Ave Trl 7 McCall Ilschultz@hotmail.com
Schultz Idaho 83638
For
I find the skis a wonderful
addition to our resort town. It
is very welcoming and depicts
what McCall and Valley
County is all about.
Hannah 3890 Gooselake Rd Mccall ID hannahfaye1977@gmail.com For They absolutely should get to
Ashley 83638 keep their ski roof! It's
expressive and fun, and
everything else that McCall
used to be before a bunch of
people decided they need to
gentrify. It's not ugly. It's not
bothering anybody. Quit
being so God dammed
SNOOTY
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Stacy
Bowers
Stephanie
Farnham
Ryan
Durham
104 Mather Rd McCall ID
83638
352 S 1st w Aberdeen ID
83210
stacylbowers@gmail.com For
stephanieafarmham@gmail.com
203 Mather McCall ID 83638 rdurham15@gmail.com
Anna Roy 1664 Warren Wagon Road
McCall ID 83638
Denise Haas 3204 S Holly St Nampa ID
83686
Chad Jewell 62 Salmon Loop Mccall ID
83638
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bodianna@hotmail.com
514happiness@gmail.com
jewellchad1@gmail.com
For
For
For
For
For
There is nothing wrong with
using waterskis for roofing in
a town that prides itself on it's
beauty and
recreation....including the
giant lake that can be seen
from this location, where said
skis have probably been used
in the past. Not to mention,
it's tiring that McCall City has
all these rules for how things
should look, when not
everyone is in agreement. I
have seen things approved in
the past that do not follow
these rules, as they don't
seem to be adhered to fairly
across the board. Maybe we
can let business owners,
property owners and locals
express their creativity and
contribute to the local "art
scene" without using up a
bunch of tax payer dollars as
the -City has done in the past.
Let's use those tax dollars
wisely...towards infrastructure
and sidewalks, not non-
contributing art installations
that fall apart as soon as
winter hits. Yea for the skis!!
It adds character and fits the
town. It literally harms no one.
I think the Ski's look great,
McCall needs more stuff like
this. Enough of the overreach!
Let people have fun and do
what they want with their
private property. This causes
no harm to anyone, there's no
safety issue, this is McCall
flexing their muscle for no
reason
We love the charm that the
skis add to the downtown
area. Please keep them!
FOR keeping the SKI Roof.
Born and raised in Idaho (4th
Generation Idahoan) and this
unique design adds an
interesting element to McCall.
Keep it!
The skis look great. It was very
well done. It adds to the
charaGte McCall
al
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Katie Medel
13851 Farm To Market Rd katiejindrich@yahoo.com
Mccall ID 83638
For I think they look great.
Alecia 990 Ridge Road McCall ID ajhawks@Icmail.lcsc.edu For n/a
Hawks 83638
Jeffrey Luper 1407 Greystone dr Mccall Id jeffluper@yahoo.com
83638
For The skis add charm to an
otherwise boring and dated
roof lined building.
Mary Pob 931 9 stanley Cascade ID namagram@gmail.com For Leave them alone it has
zanders 84611 character
Cathi 3241 Hwy 55 New Meadows mrscsdonuts@gmail.com
Cochran ID 83654
For
It's ridiculous that this is even
an issue. It looks awesome
and represents the culture of
McCall.
Autumn 1650 Bear Basin Rd. McCall ID autumnfreeland@hotmail.com For Cute aesthetic!
Freeland 83638
Amber 260 Mariposa Circle ampschapl0@yahoo.com For I love the vibe it brings to
Chappell Shoshone ID. 83352 McCall
Matthew 1915 Washington Ave theskister@gmail.com For Please save the skis
Liscinski Caldwell ID 83605
Glenn 3259 Thrush Creek Rd New cgranch@frontiernet.net For Ski Town USA?
Gemelli Meadows ID 83654
Michael D PO Box 2150 McCall ID 83638 mmclean740@msn.com For We need to keep some
McLean "personality" downtown!
Alea Bunker 313 Gold Fork Road Donnelly aleastahl@outlook.com For I absolutely love it!! Such a
id 83615 great touch to a ski town
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Julie Jones 171 Ponderosa Lane Cascade jewelsjonesl3@gmail.com
Id 83611
For
McCaII is once again
overstepping boundaries and
misrepresenting constituents
with a group of individuals
who would rather promote
conformity than legacy. A
determination that a building,
located in the snowy
mountains, cannot have skis
--which shed snow-- as part
of its unique decor screams
dictatorship, not leadership.
One of the draws to McCall
has been the locally made,
locally created goods
businesses showcase. Crafting
a creative, attention grabbing
business front speaks to the
talent of the business owners
and supporting staff. What
studies has McCall had
completed that provided
definitive evidence skis, as
part of the roof, adversely
impact... anything? And how
dangerous were the potential
adverse consequence(s). The
City of Cascade would be
honored to welcome your
unique and artful businesses,
skis and all.
Shane King 1764 Warren Wagon Rd. sgarrettking@gmail.com For For
McCall ID 83638
Breeze 607 Lick Creek McCall ID breezereeder@gmail.com For I think the skis should stay.
Reeder 83638
Tracy Mohr 1043 29th Lewiston ID 83501 tracymohremails@gmail.con For I am FOR keeping the skis. It
is a staple of the community.
It is unique and artistic.
Anyone who feels different
can simply not go there, or
look away. The charm of the
town is enhanced by its
unique places and eccentric
people. To those wanting
them remove, "trying to make
every place cookie cutter
replications of where you
were once from is a good
place for you to return to".
Unique, creative, artistic and
individualized places and
people make the community
of McCall what it is today.
There are so many other
things that need attention.
Stop wasting time and money
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL on something -that
j t12 isn't
anyone?..!
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Brian Keeffe 1589 Lakeridge Drive Mccall keeffefam4@gmail.com For Can't understand how this is
Id 83638 even an issue.
Wayne 804 Fairway Dr. Mccall ID waynedingmanjr@gmail.com For It's definitely an improvement.
Dingman 83638
Scott 10310 Peterson Loop
Thompson Cascade ID 83611 Mccall
scottthompson115@gmail.com
For Looks good, fits character of
Courtney 789 Chad Loop McCall ID snyder4494@gmail.com
Snyder 83638
Kendall 423 Floyde st Mccall ID 83638 kbv.northcutt@gmail.com
Northcutt
For
For
Hello, I think the ski's are a
nice addition to this building
and the tenants should be
allowed to leave them up. My
daughter has said multiple
times how cool they are on
our way to the coffee shop
next door. Some of the best
classic McCall art pieces
feature wooden boats and
water skiers. This feels like a
very appropriate tribute to
one of our wonderful lake
town amenities and also gives
this old structure some new
cheerful character. Thank you,
Courtney
We're a ski town! This adds
great character. Let them
keep their cool roof!
Daniel 200 industrial loop McCall ID dgpsts2015@gmail.com For They add character to our
potter 83638 town. It's a LAKE TOWN.
Anna Frank 13963 Easy Street McCall Id annam2295@gmail.com For The skis are unique and add
83638 character to the downtown
area. As long as they don't
pose a safety hazard, I'd love
to see them stay in place.
Carynn 216 est Roseberry Donnelly carynnlarimorekemble@gmail.com For For
Larimore Idaho 23615
Darcelle 12874 Spring Valley Rd. darcellesander@gmail.com For I love the look of the skis and
Sander Donnelly ID 83615 it adds a ton of character to
downtown McCall. McCall is a
destination location for ski,
lake, and general outdoor
recreation. These type of
buildings become landmarks
in resort towns.
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Savannah
Owen
1301 Louisa Ave McCall iD sowen@mdsd.org
83638
For
The skis are so cool! Why is
the city being crazy by not
letting a business make their
exterior look nice? Especially
when McCall has allowed so
many dilapidated buildings to
remain uncared for right
down town. Bravo to
someone who is trying to
improve our downtown
aesthetic, not leave
businesses sitting empty!
JULIE 1423 Eagle Drive McCall ID julieconrad11@yahoo.com
CONRAD 83638
Sharon 13239 Kokanee Dr Mccall ID
Herther 83638
Stephanie 15 Cross Country Ct Donnelly
Collinsworth Id 83615
Karen Ruttke 311 Village Dr Pmb 3206
Tamarack ID 83615
Mitch
Vaughan
msherther@gmail.com
scollinsworth@live.com
karenkruttke@hotmail.com
For Our town of McCall is
currently facing MUCH larger
issues than this. Let the skis
stay, and focus on: 1. water
quality issues 2. sewer issues
3. safety issues such: as safe
walking and biking corridors
4. speeding autos within the
city limits 5. dogs off leash
within the city limits 6. smart
growth vs rampant growth
under the guise of "affordable
housing" 7. roadway upkeep
within the city limits
For We are a tourist ski town. Let
them prosper!
For I support the Skis on the
roof!!! YES FOR IT
For
35 Mangum Cir Donnelly ID mitchell.vaughan@visittamarack.com For
83615
Robert Scott 903 Caddy lane Cascade Id mgbgt69@comcast.net
83611
Oriol Gasch 1074 Karen Street McCall ogasch@hotmail.com
Idaho 83638
Katie Waites 75 Alpha View PI Cascade ID kdmallaburn@gmail.com
MCCAL V)TY COUNCIL
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting
For
For
For
Adds character to our ski
town!
I see nothing wrong with it.
Brings character into the
town. It's well done and not
ugly. As long as they are
upkept. Keep McCall fun!
The roof should stay. It is
refreshing that they took a
run down building and gave it
some character. Let them
keep the spirit alive of a small
business. It is not an eyesore.
The city of McCall should be
excited for the extra tax
dollars generated. If you run
this company off shame on
you all.
FOR!
Love the skis in a ski town!
PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
Page 29 of 59
Name Address Email
Doug Marolf 13956 Norwood Rd McCall sawtooth_snocross@hotmail.com
Idaho 83638
Colleen 1145 Bellflower Place McCall steedc@verizon.net
Steed ID 83638
Amber Cope 1804 Schultz Donnelly Idaho adamandambercope@gmail.com
83615
Emily Wilson 106 Hatchet Ln CASCADE ID emilyalexis@gmail.com
83611
Lana
Fournier
601 Hemlock #7 McCall ID
83638
Lana.fournier@icloud.com
Glenda 12830 Hereford Rd Donnelly shovel.n.hoe@gmail.com
Teppola Id 83615
Julli hopkins 24358 Emmett Rd Caldwell ID jullihopkins@gmail.com
83607
Kevyn 120 W Lake St McCall ID idkydboot@gmail.com
Boothe 83638
Carma
Burnett
501 Garnet Street #850
McCall ID 83638
carmaburnett@gmail.com
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
Against
For
Linda Wilson 143 Pointes Cascade Id 83611 LindaWilson.Realestate@gmail.com For
Considering that public art is
funded by taxpayers in
McCall, this privately funded
masterpiece should be
embraced by the council.
We just walked by with out of
town guests. They stopped
and commented how fun it
was. One said "Artistic". Please
find a way to keep it.
Leave the ski's alone! Spend
your time on a more effective
cause.
For the skis!
I love the ski boards and I
believe they add to the
quaintness of downtown
McCall! Hope they are left in
place! 141
It adds unique charm to the
ski town of McCall.
Its a great addition to the
building
In my opinion it wasn't a bad
idea, however the execution is
poor. They are screwed
directly on top the existing
roofing material. Leaving me
to wonder will they will
become a hazard when faced
with freeze thaw cycles and
heavy snow.
They add character. I can
think of way more unsightly
areas coming into town.
While, I'm at it, our Holiday
lights are terrible ( besides the
tree). Half don't work, they
don't match, etc... McCall
could look so amazing during
the holidays. I've always been
dumbfounded by this.
Seriously? Ski Resort Town or
not?
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 30 of 59
Name Address
Email
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Will Minshall 282 Moonridge Dr McCall ID minshallrealestate@gmail.com For
83638
The city's traction record of
denying the creativity of local
small businesses is appalling.
As a former business owner
that was required to change
my storefront sign to a
different shade of "charcoal"
and "offwhite", I can attest the
overreach of the city is
against the values of small
town charm, individual
creativity, and business
investment. Please focus your
gaze to support positive
change instead of becoming a
negative externality to the
business owners that must
already deal with fluctuating
income, seasonal pressure,
and housing shortages.
Laura
1630 Davis #34 McCall ID
Bridgeman 83638
Jennifer
lori@thebridgemans.net
For
The skis are charming and
reinforce the skiing tradition
and history of McCall.
7286 e Wiltshire In Nampa
mick Idaho 83687
Carolyn
Dickinson
Jim Meyer
404 timm Mccall Id 83638
1926 warren wagon road
McCall ID 83638
Ashli Phelps 519 Willie Lane McCall ID
83638
Lori hodosh 1021 violet way McCall ID
83638
jennifer.mick@aol.com
carolynanderic@hotmail.com
jim@truceptive.com
ashbphelps@gmail.com
lori@paradoseprocessing.net
For
For
For
For
For
Keep the skis!! They enhance
the character of the town.
Absolutely for! This is a ski
town. They're ski character.
They will not make the snow
any more dangerous than it
already is with heat tape and
snow cleats that do not work.
Leave the skis!
While I understand the nature
of city ordinances, I believe
that the roof is in character
for -the city of McCall and am
happy to see that McCall has
a process to re-evaluate
situations like this. Thanks, Jim
The Skis on the building are
fun and give some of McCall's
personality back, which has
been on the verge of
disappearing with all the
corporate/capitalist BS city
council is trying to pursue.
Give us our sense of
community back!! And yes, it
starts with the skis on the
roof!
We love the skis!!! Let them
stay!! They are not hurting
anyone and they look great!
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 31 of 59
Name Address
Email
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Megan
McMahan 83638
345 Moon Drive McCall ID
Randi Allred 5399 N Red Hills Ave
Meridian ID 83646
meganrmiller007@gmail.com For
Barry R 205 titus donnelly id 83615
Johnson
Sue Morris 263 Ernesto McCall ID 83638
Jaylene
Lowen
allredrandi@gmail.com
barj2enterprises@frontier.com
sunburnt@pacbell.net
217 Forest St Mccall ID 83638 abeytajd@gmail.com
Terri Roberts 215 N 3rd St Mccall ID 83638 tjrob60@me.com
Philisitie 225 valley springs rd E 206
Nicklas Mccall Id 83638
Chris
Kapicka 83638
1605 Woodhaven McCall Id
Susette 13949 Country Way McCall
Hoffpauir Idaho 83638
Karen Strop 109 Idaho St McCall ID 83638
Philisitie.king.nelson@gmail.com
clkapicka@nnu.edu
kuppakoffee@gmail.com
kstrop@me.com
I think the skis are fun and
add some pizazz to this town.
The colors aren't obnoxious
and it helps that building
stand out a bit, which in turn,
brings more customers in to
their small business and helps
out our community. This fight
is a waste of time and there
are many other things this city
should be confronting.
For Character is awesome!
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
The roof looks great. A look
that a small mountain town
should have. Small town
charm. Many of the new
building in town look cold
and sterile. Leave the building
owners alone, they have the
community support as a
whole. Thank you
I like when businesses have
some imagination and
creativity. It makes McCall
unique. The skis on the roof
of this shop reflect the town's
Alpine theme. I don't see
anything wrong with with
them unless it's some kind of
safety hazard?
As long as it does not cause a
danger, they are beautiful and
add character to the town!
Perfect representation of
something so many of us are
so fond of!
It's a unique yet not obtrusive
roof. Keep it!
This adds character to our
little town! So many other
things to be worried about!
For keeping skis
Keep them
I think the skis on the roof
add character and some old
town charm.
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting
PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
Page 32 of 59
Name Address Email Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Tobie Page 2 Sawtooth Ct McCall Id
83638
tlpage2010@gmail.com For Ecliptic character and charm
to our community. Our family
loves it!
Lori 4057 Smokey Morel Mccall ID lori@twinstop.com For The ski roof looks great !
Donaldson 83638
Sara Van
Patten
13224 Kokanee Dr McCall saravanpat@gmail.com
Idaho 83638
For The skis look great. If the city
council was worried about ice,
they should focus on
sidewalks and parking lots.
Doug 1043 Cee Way Loop McCall dougrat@yahoo.com For I am for the skis to remain. It.
Ratkovich ID 83638 should be for the owners of
the business to do as they
please with their property as
long as it's not offensive and
not for the city to decide.
Max Murphy 957 Flynn Ln McCall I'd 83638 maxwellmurphy360@gmail.com
Michael 708 Fir McCall ID 83638 jakechick@hotmail.com
Johnson
For None.
For
I think the ski roof is a unique
piece of art for the City Of
McCall. It doesn't affect the -
structure so is removable. I
think it should be considered
the owner's artistic
expression.
Dame 2635 Eastside Rd McCall ID edame2000@yahoo.com For Adds some needed character
83638
Denise 283 Rio Vista Blvd McCall denisejantzer@gmail.com Against I think they look very tacky
Jantzer Idaho. 83638 and would rather not have to
look at them
Jeff Maxwell 2223 Davy Rd Donnelly ID surfmax@sbcglobal.net For So long as there's no safety
83615 issues I'm fine with it!
Jennifer 309 gabi lane McCall Idaho jenniferandrew@hotmail.com For Skis look amazing and totally
Caple 83638 fit our town. Makes it unique
please let them keep the ski
roof
Jessica 3 Laguna PI CASCADE ID jess.harrison75@gmail.com For I love the character it adds!
Harrison 83611
Greyson 937 Flynn Ln. McCall ID thegman799@gmail.com For For
Anglea 83638
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 33 of 59
Name Address Email
Brandi
Hudman
Nicole
carver
Vickery Ct Donnelly Id 83615 brandihudman00@gmail.com
175 5 Samson Trl Mccall ID ncarver1970@yahoo.com
83638
Katie Eiden 14026 Farm to Market Rd eiden.katie@gmail.com
McCall ID 83638
Lisa Potter 3435 S End Rd New Meadows liliswim71491@gmail.com
ID 83654
Patricia 307 Mather Rd McCall ID
Minor 83638
Kerry Hays 992 Valley Rim Rd McCall ID
83638
Laurie Rider 13975 Ramos Court McCall Id
83638
Jan Julian
3568 Aspen Circle New
Meadows Id 83654
John Byrne 124 Nora st New meadows
Idaho 83638
Barbara
lewis
Eric
411 Deinhard Ste F191 Mccall
ID 83638 - McCall, ID
lspminor@gmail.com
kerrytrain@gmail.com
laurie@marketspark.buz
jljulian@frontiernet.net
jbyrne@nezperce.org
aboutkneads@gmail.com
1093 Cabarton Rd Cascade ID thompej@outlook.com
Thompson 83611-5307
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For For: keeping the skis on the
roof. It adds character to our
historical town of McCall. It
keeps the look and feel of
small mountain town in which
I feel is starting to get erased.
It is hurting no one and brings
good discussion in the small
town amongst long time
locals, who yes, do still matter,
as well as with newer locals
and tourists. Keep the skis on!
For
Please let this business keep
the cute tasteful look they
created on their building It's
very fitting for this
community.
For Very unique and
representative of the area.
For It fits the vibe of McCall
For It fits our ski town
For For A
For The skis are a clever roof
design & they look great!
Very unique and perfect for
our little town.
For This decor totally goes with
McCall. The city council needs
to worry about more
important things.
For No logical reason why they
can't keep them.
For We are building modern
buildings, the library,
ponderosa center. This ski
roof is just as in character as
modern buildings in our old
town
For
There is nothing wrong with
the skis on this building, it
shows character. The city let a
sleazy adult shop in town. The
city should be more worried
about the potholed roads and
affordable housing.
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 34 of 59
Name Address
Email
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Jennifer 32 Heinrich Lane;McCaII ID wyldjuniper@yahoo.com For
Ritch 83638
Janell
Strosnider
501 Hill Lane McCall ID 83638 janellsldaho@gmail.com
Autumn 38 Charters Dr Donnelly ID bridgebuilder5711@yahoo.com
Mossberg 83615
Stacey
Spade
Jim
Sorenson
Kimberly
Brown
161 Heinrich lane McCall ID
83638
staces1@aol.com
161 Heinrich lane Mccal ID Staces1@aol.com
83638
649 Brady Dr McCall ID
83638
kcaprio4@me.com
Jodie Jensen 300 E Lake Street McCall ID lakeviewchevron@frontiernet.net
83638
Jayson hicks
435 Knights Rd Mccall ID
83638
Kari Schmitz 405 knights road Mccall ID
83638
jayson.hicks1@gmail.com
405knights@gmail.com
Crawford 126 barn rd Pollock Id 83547 crawford.bowden@gmail.com
Bowden
Brant Baugh 126 barn rd Pollock Id 83547
karin didisse 13635 Morris ranch Rd
McCall id 83638
brantbaugh815@gmail.com
kbdid@frontiernet.net
For
For
For
I think the aesthetic of the skis
fits our town and adds
creativity to an area of town
frequented by locals and
tourists alike.
They create the color and
character our mountain town
needs. See how much of a
sidewalk hazard they create
and, if none, make an
exception. Rules were made
to be broken, within reason
and I really don't think these
skis upset anyone but certain
code enforcers. I am certain
there are many other code
violations (lakeside) with far
greater environmental
consequences to be pursued.
Save the Skis! The roof adds
great character and charm to
our downtown McCall area!
Love the skis!
For Keep the skis!
For For
For
For
For
For
This is lovely and it fits in with
the downtown McCall feel.
Wasted efforts are going into
fighting this as there are more
posing problems:..such as
affordable housing for
workforce, parking, &
adequate restrooms. Let them
keep their roof. This is quite
ridiculous.
This is great, organic, free art.
Why are you folks trying to
squash this type of style? It
really fits our town.
Skitown USA
For Ski Town USA
For for keeping the ski roof
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 35 of 59
Name
Dennis
Fomin
Ken and
Julie
Koskella
Abby
Holmes
Larinda
Spencer
Tesh Coles
Micah
Haselton
Ann Gossi
Michael
Jorgensen
Kristy Emler
Deborah
Schultz
Michele
Keeffd
Rebecca
Wayne
Alexander
thornburg
Timm
McNeley
Address
40 Mangum Circle, #6
Donnelly ID 83615
Email
fominholdings@gmail.com
12714 Koskella rd Donnelly
Idaho 83615
133 Cabarton Rd Cascade ID
83611
juliekoskella@yahoo.com
abbysawin@gmail.com
1519 Roosevelt Ave McCall Id Iarinda2011@me.com
83638
21 Mangum Cirlce #6
Donnelly ID 83615
202 Front St Cascade ID
83611
1200 Aspen Risge Ln McCall
Id 83638
1677 Ginney Way McCall
Idaho 83638
184 Singletree Donnelly ID
83615
33 Buckskin Drive Donnelly
ID 83615-4703
1589 Lakeridge Drive McCall
Idaho 83638
64 Ilka Rd McCall ID 83638
tesh.dentom@gmail.com
micahanddania@icloud.com
anngoss51@gmaul.com
michaeljorg@gmail.com
kemler77@gmail.com
debschultz54@gmail.com
michb@msn.com
rebecca.wayne@icloud.com
1406 warren wagon rd Mccall thornburgmedia@gmail.com
Id 83638
5351 N Northwall Ave Boise
ID 83703
timmcneley@msn.com
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For Looks good. Leave them
alone.
For
For
For
Save the skis
I love the skis on the roof! I
think it's creative and unique!
Keep McCall unique. Let this
stay in place.
For Skis are character
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For KEEPING the skis. 1.
Variances are given all the
time and this should be
allowed to stay since 90%+ of
the population wants to keep
it. Rarely is a topic so one-
sided. 2. The code was written
too rigidly. Go with the spirit
of the code and not the letter.
But if the letter, see point 1.
Regards Micah Haselton
I Think the skis in the building
are a great enhancement and
perfect for McCall!
The ski roof is awesome, and
fits with McCall's town vibe. I
see no reason it has to be
modified. The roof is
charming.
This provides unique yet
relevant style to a ski town. It
is creative and adds character.
This unique roof is, in my
opinion, a good fit for our
winter sports town.
I think the skis enhance the
character of our town. They
need to stay.
It adds character to our small
lake/resort town.
Keep the skis. We live in a ski
town.
I'm for the skis.
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting
PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
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Name Address
Email
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Claire 12976 Norwood Rd Donnelly clairerosie27@gmail.com For
ID 83615
I am FOR keeping the skis on
the building. It's unique,
catches people's eyes, and so
cool!!
Rebecca 409 Margaret Way McCall ID bowers_rebeccal@yahoo.com
Wonenberg 83638
For
The skis show the charm of
McCall.
John Bailey 13959 Road Runner Ranch jdbailey13959@gmail.com
Way McCall Idaho 83638
Angela
pellow
14100 pioneer re McCall ID angelapellow@yahoo.com
83638
Mali Murphy 957 Flynn Lane Mccall Id
83638
malikmurphy@gmail.com
Matt 957 Flynn Lne McCall ID matt@earhero.com
Murphy 83638
Jeff vance 310 McClintock Donnelly Id jsvance55@gmail.com
83615
Elizabeth 48 Compass Lane Mccall ID earichman@juno.com
Driebergen 83638
Katie Dorris 111 Finn Church Ln Mccall ID ktdorris93@gmail.com
83638
For
For
For
For
For
For
I would like to express my
support for the ski roof. We
have owned a family cabin in
McCall for over sixty years.
We split our time between
McCall and Vail, Colorado. The
ski roof is classy and ads a
much needy alpine feel to the
town.
Love it.
We are a lake town. I think
that this roof is very creative.
It takes an ugly old building
and makes it fun. There are a
lot of different styles of
architecture in town from the
old fashioned buildings
(Steamers and Foresters) to
the unique properties that
house places such as the
yacht club and the pretty
courtyard of Hotel McCall. If
the roof was not done well I
wouldn't be for it but this guy
did a great job. It adds
character to downtown.
Please leave it!
A fun look for a fun town.
Lighten up city council.
The skis?? This is what makes
McCall unique. When I first
saw them — it was just cool! I
heard it was because of snow
falling off — metal roofs
would be a lot worse. Leave
the skis, it's unique, just like
McCall dot over think
Keep the skis, they look great
and aren't hitting anyone.
For Keep the skis!
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 37 of 59
Name Address Email
Sylvia
McFadden
23 Charters Dr Donnelly ID justsylvia@live.com
83615
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For A great piece of art! They are
creative and unique and
builds character that McCalls
needs! My kids and I always
love looking at them when we
drive by. SAVE THE SKIS!
Linda Eddy 13041 Hillhouse Loop lindaeddy44@icloud.com For
Donnelly ID 83615
Samantha
Jeppe
Chris
Ellesmere -
Jones
Danette
Drake
Clint
301 E Park St McCall ID 83638 mccallchiropractic@frontiernet.net For
212 Meadow Lake Court
McCall ID 83638
200 Scott St Mccall ID 83638
3220 Clay Ln New Meadows
ID 83654
Janell Carter 114 North 3rd Street McCall
Idaho 83638
Amy
Wirshing
Gabriel
Martineau
332 Rio Vista McCall ID
83638
1668 Helmich Rd McCall ID
83638
Marty Beck 421 N Roosevelt St BOISE ID
83706
Tyler Jones 370 Harlan Eagle ID 83616
cejones11@msn.com
danettedrake8@gmail.com
clint@restonorth.com
magnumfloors44@outlook.com
amywirshing@gmail.com
gabrielcmartineau@gmail.com
martincbeck@gmail.com
tyler.cjones22@gmail.com
For
For
I vote for them to stay. Fit into
the background of the resort
ski.town that it has been for
centuries.
This is beautiful art and keeps
the ski town look.. much
better than Natural Grocers
does for the town. It's
ridiculous that this is even an
issue.
Keep the skis !!!
Leave the skis on the roof. It's
part of McCalls unique charm.
For McCall city.... Always stepping
on their own feet! This town
government is a absolute
joke! Skis or no skis!
For It brings character to the
building
For
For
For
For
NA
It's been a staple in our small
town of McCall and always
has been a unique feature to
signify that we are a ski town.
I remember when I was
younger and to now how
much work and interesting
design it is and fits perfectly
with the town. Always enjoyed
just looking at them. Do not
take them down it's basically
at that point removing culture
from our town.
Non -conforming approval.
Easy peasy.
Ski's on a ski shop are where
they should be!!!! You should
be recalled for even bringing
this up!!!! How dare youl'!""l
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 38 of 59
Name
Kandie
Malone
Address
Email Opinion Content
153 Boulder pl Donnelly ID Kandiemalone@gmail.com
83615
For
ATTACHMENT 3
In case most of you either
didn't know or forgot, this IS
and always has been a ski
town. Sign used to be outside
of town said Ski Town USA. I
find it concerning that this is
an issue . There IS MORE
important issues that plague
our community and need to
be focused on rather than
something as petty as this.
Donald 1300 Roosevelt Ave Mccall ID mccallboatworksdon@gmail.com For I support the ski roof, it is part
Hardy 83638 of McCall and represents well.
I studied it with snow load
and it slides off better than
the wood shakes. Plus it looks
a lot better than aged
shingles. DRH
Sandra 2 Trabert Ln Mccall ID 83638 sandra_khloe@hotmail.com For I live seeing this building
medley every time I am in town.
Salvatore 409 Heritage way Cascade ID Saldichiara7@gmail.com For Adds great character to the
DiChiara 83611 downtown area!
Pamela 1527 Pine Lakes Ranch Dr pamelammann212@gmail.com For I think they add character.
Mann Cascade ID 83611 They do not distract from
McCall's beauty but add some
fun.
Emmett 602 E Thompson McCall Id empbn4@gmail.com For The skis are great.
Price 83638
Noah 14103 Highway 55 McCall ID nowh.lee3@icloud.com For This enhances McCall's
Brodhecker 83638 downtown appeal and
character. With all the vacant
buildings and mass groups of
people - I think these efforts
of removing the skis would
best be focused on filling
those spaces :)
Gerald 200 scott street Mccall Id js3bs@yahoo.com For The first time I saw the ski
Newbold 83634 roof I thought to myself,
"finally some one gets it".
Mccall has been our summer
destination since the 1990s.
To see a business that looks
different than others and
represents a part of Mccall s
ski culture is awesome. I hope
the city approves such an
improvement.
Sherry 1675 Ginney Way McCall ID spowelson1@gmail.com For Save the skis-
Powelson 83638
Lindsay 1642 Forest Lawn Dr McCall Idemers11@gmail.com For The skis make downtown
Diggs MCCALYe ft COUNCIL
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting
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Name Address
Email
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Sam 805 n 3rd st Mccall Id 83638 sam.wiegand.88@gmail.com
Wiegand
Nancy Lane 1300 Bitterroot Dr McCall
Idaho 83638
Steve
Spickler
dogfan.nlane@gmail.com
130 Cindy Ct McCall ID 83638 steve@gowikiwiki.net
Seena .1303 Mill Road #2 Mcall
Haines Idaho 83638
Candida 5792 N. Cougar Flat Ave.
Zierler Meridian ID 83646
Mike Mason
Carol Auth
Norman
Zimmerman
1305 Hubbard Ln Mccall ID
83638
1511 Roosevelt ave McCall Id
83638
13571 hwy 55 McCall Idaho
83638
seena.l.haines@gmail.com
candizierler@msn.com
mkmason60@hotmail.com
carolklimaauth@gmail.com
zseggs@gmail.com
For
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They're a unique and fun
visual feature for the
downtown area. Too many
buildings are beginning to
look the same with all they're
modern, muted tones. This is
a ski town! It should resemble
such!
Provides tasteful uniqueness.
It is different, but in no way
offensive. If anything, it will
encourage folks to venture off
of main street and providing
more traffic for local
businesses.
I support the business putting
skis on the roof edge. I think
that is a creative design that
adds to the ski town feeling of
McCall.
It's unique and reflects the
town image.
The skis should stay. We love
the look of them on the
building! McCall is a lake
town with lots of lake
activities such as waterskkiing
and the skis on the building
reflect this. We spend a lot of
time in McCall and love to
support the small businesses
here - especially the ones that
are a little different. Q,
Unique. Hope it's not too
difficult to maintain.
They look good
I feel in a ski town that things
of this nature should not be
questioned this is a waste of
time for the community. The
city council members need to
be changed if they feel these
matters need to be
addressed.
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
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ATTACHMENT 3
Jenny 1340 Ridgeway Lane McCall jennyfawcett@sbcglobal.net
Fawcet Idaho 83638
For
Mr. Huskinson created a
unique and very McCall roof
line. Let him keep it in place.
The new library is sterile in
appearance and does not "fit"
with the culture of a small
Idaho town in the mountains.
Interesting how P8/Z picks
and chooses.
Rob Shelton 3612 N Price Way Meridian robashelton@gmail.com
ID 83646
James dewitt 1739 s lake crest way Eagle Id jimdewitt49@gmail.com
83616
Rachael
(kola
14197 Hwy 55 McCall Idaho rachael_dugan@yahoo.com
83638
Sarah Brown 109 W Patterson Ave Cascade sarahkbrown@live.com
ID 83611
Julie Keys
For Please keep this. McCall needs
to retain some of its roots and
not redevelop everything.
For This has character and I love
it.
For We are in the impact zone, so
2078 W Grand Teton Dr julieannekeys@gmail.com
Meridian Id 83646
robert W 121 Whitefoot Lane Mcccall barrowdc@ymail.com
Barrow ID 83638
Sherri Abney 1179 Wood Duck Fruitland Id oregondale@gmail.com
83619
For
For
For
not sure if we get a say, but
we are for it. We like the
character they bring, but we
are against McCall becoming
another snobby resort town
such as vail or aspen. It's not
any worse than the funky
artwork around town that the
City has put in recently.
Leave the skis! It's ski town
USA!
Please allow the skis to stay
on the building. As a frequent
visitor to McCall, I like the way
they look: They express the
unique nature of McCall. The
creativity of the building
owner is fun! Strict adherence
to your policy makes McCall
boring and isn't always in the
best interest of McCall. Let the
skis stay! Thank you
McCaII is a Ski town, McCall is
a vacation hot spot, McCall is
a fun town! Lets let McCall
have a personality that's
rooted in these traditions. We
don't have to look like a rich
developers trophy home. The
snow boards are fun and look
great!
For For: please keep the skis.
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ATTACHMENT 3
Becky 2028 John Alden Rd McCall bcallister6@gmail.com
Callister Id 83638
For
We saw this store for the first
time at Thanksgiving and
commented on how we loved
the ski roof! We then took our
entire family there near
Christmas and each bought a
sweatshirt. We LOVE the roof,
think its clever and a fun
addition to the McCall
shopping district. Please leave
it in place.
Margaret 2067 Ferndale Way McCall ID mbzamzow@msn.com For We have been property
and Barry 83638 owners in Valley County for
Zamzow nearly 50 years and retired to
McCall a few years ago. It's
amazing to us how much
McCall openly dislikes the
tourist industry which is their
"bread and butter"! It's time
McCall opened its eyes and
embraced the population that
supports them. What a
welcoming enhancement the
metamorphosis made by the
business adding water skis to
the drab 60's block roof on
Lenora St. Continuing to
disapprove of the unique
ventures of this and other
businesses wanting to entice
customers will just lead to
more boarded store fronts
and complaints about how
the town is going downhill.
Look at small towns that
"embrace" the tourists that
they serve —Leavenworth, WA,
Lake Geneva, WI, Moab, UT,
Estes Park, CO, Wimberley,
TX— towns that strive to
create unique experiences for
its visitors. Please allow
Laketown Shore Shop the
opportunity to be creative
and enhance the culture of
McCall.
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Name Address
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Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Judith 10264 W Snow Wolf Dr Star jporsvp@gmail.com
O'Flaherty ID 83669
Nancy
Maneck
12430 W Lexus Ct Boise ID blossom819@msn.com
83713
Lavon Webb 1435 NOVA LN Meridian ID
83642
For
Because I can see this place
from our front porch on Park
Street, I was invited to the
original town planning
meeting and I spoke on the
owner's behalf. I think his roof
adds to the charm of our
town, and I'm tired of the
wealthy -modern vibe that's
becoming ubiquitous
everywhere else. Everything
shouldn't look the same in
McCall, and we should
promote the uniqueness of
our town.
For
Icwebb@steriinglandscape.com For
Luke Schafer 200 Colorado McCall ID idslschafer@gmail.com
83638
Winslow 621 pinedale street Mccall Id winslowljohnson@gmail.com
johnson 83638
Santiago
Arroyo
James L
Gordon
1018 N Webb Way MERIDIAN sanarroyo42@gmail.com
ID 83642
1241 Meadows Rd McCall ID macgordon7@hotmail.com
83638
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For
I enjoying seeing the artwork
on the roof top of Lakeview
store. Especially since it
relates to the winter sport of
McCall!!
What makes McCall is the '
variety of people and different
looks on life. I would say if it
is classy and looks like it was
supposed to be there then
leave it alone. That's what
makes a destination city
unique. Let them keep it.
Keep the skis
Owner should be allowed to
keep the skies as he designed.
It looks appropriate and
professional based on the
skiing community of mccall.
There are zero safety issues
and colors are awesome. Ice
can cause issues everywhere
in the city and the skies do
not exceed any other ice risks.
There are other more pressing
issues the city of mccall
officials should focus their
time on.
I am against the city's
decision to remove skis from
the roof of business.
Keep the skis.
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ATTACHMENT 3
Max 1880 N Club Hill Blvd, P 0 imwillmw@gmail.com For in favor to appeal previous
Willamson Box 661 McCall ID 83638 decision by city staff & P&Z
commission.Please reject their
decision. You should be
supportive of Mr Huskinson's
how creative he was to use
the skis to enhance
downtown Mccall as a ski -
town. Don't understand why
the city staff feel it was in
violation of city design laws
because the colors don't meet
city design standards. We
have other buildings that
could be interpreted to not
meet said standards.
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Christopher 196 Brookdale Dr. McCall Id c12lawrence@yahoo.com Neutral Members of the McCall Area
Lawrence 83638 Planning and Zoning
Commission: In response to
the article in the January 4th
edition of the Star -News
regarding the "water ski roof
decision" pertaining to Lake
Town Clothing Company, I
submit the following for your
consideration: The ability of
the Commission to administer
and enforce the City's design
requirements is imperative to
maintaining the quality and
context that have made
McCall's downtown a
destination for visitors and a
source of pride for its
residents. Planning and
Zoning appropriately sighted
concerns for both adherence
to City standards and public
safety in their decision last
July regarding the skis that
have been attached to the
roof of Lake Town Clothing
Company. As an.Architect, I
have no objection to the
general concept of using skis
as a design element. I am,
however, concerned that the
Commission was not afforded
the opportunity to review the
design and installation details
prior to their use, and do not
feel that this should be
overlooked. While the article
in the Star -News made to
reference as to why the
Commission was not
consulted, in addition to
whatever action the
Commission determines
appropriate for Lake Town
Clothing Company, the
Commission may wish to
consider exploring additional
preemptive ways of reaching
the business community
regarding City standards and
reinforce the roll and services
of the Planning and Zoning
Commission. Thank you for
your consideration in this
matter. Christopher Lawrence,
Architect, LEED / AP
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-I2 COMMENTS
January 11, 2024 Regular Meeting Page 45 of 59
Name Address
Email
Sandra 804 Fairway Dr Mccall Idaho sandeedingman@gmail.com
Dingman 83638
Heidi 640 Brady Dr McCall ID mountainchica65@yahoo.com
Winchel 83638
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For I support overturning the
denial for the Ski roof. I think
it adds a little ski town
character to our community
and I don't find it obtrusive at
all. The original roof line
wasn't anything special, now
it is.
For
I think it adds character and
we need more of that here in
town.
Meredith 13971 Turner Ln McCall ID merecarsley@gmail.com For Love the character and look of
Carsley 83638 the skis! Adds just a fun vibe
to our lake town.
Cathy Harral 188 Dutchoven Donnelly Id cathy.harral@gmail.com For Leave them up they look cool,
83615
Brad Mabe 36 French Loop Cascade ID horses-r-us@msn.com For Adds character and speaks to
83611 the businesses intent.
Jeffrey 300 E Lake St McCall Idaho lakeviewchevron@gmail.com For They should be able to keep
Jensen 83638 there roof.
Natalie 1407 Louisa Ave McCall ID natalieschachar@gmail.com For ARE YOU CRAZY?!!! WHY
Schachar 83638 WOULD YOU MAKE
SOMEONE TAKE OFF SKIS??
SO YOU CAN HAVE A COOKIE
CUTTER TOWN THAT NO ONE
WANTS TO VISIT? SEEMS LIKE
THERE IS SOMETHING MORE
USEFUL THE CITY COULD BE
DOING WITH THEIR TIME
AND MONEY AND OUR TIME
AS WELL?
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ATTACHMENT 3
Kathryn 4622 Hillcrest View Dr Boise misskitty_6275@yahoo.com For *Opinion: Please note that I
Grant ID 83705 am "For" the appeal and
"Against" AA -23-12 Dear
Mayor Giles and McCall City
Council Members, I am
writing as a 45 year -long
resident of Idaho and a
frequent visitor/vacation
property owner tin McCall. I
respect what the town has
done over the years to
maintain the integrity of the
looks of a small mountain
resources it. I certainly
understand the rules that
were once made to ensure
that ambiance. That being
said, change does not have to
be considered a bad thing. I
feel that the owners of
Lakeshore Shop kept the
flavor of McCall in mind when
they added the skis to the
exterior of their shop. This
design speaks to the
countless hours of enjoyment
McCall has offered on the lake
and ski slopes. It has added a
tasteful flair that has to make
any passerby smile. The once
tired look of the shop's facade
is now energizing and adds to
the quaint feel of the town. I
have no personal affiliation
with the owners, but rather
experiences as a customer.
These people are kind,
friendly, helpful, and have
gone above and beyond to be
of assistance to me as a
customer. Isn't that the type
of people we want as a part of
the McCall experience? Please
reconsider your former
decision requiring the
removal of the skis, and look
at the bigger picture that they
represent. This store front
should not be bound by the
past, as long as it speaks the
language of McCall.
Respectfully yours, Kathryn
Grant (208) 841-1012 221 W
Lake St. #12. McCall, ID
Stephanie 201 Brook Dr Mccall ID 83638 briancharles7@hotmail.com For Focus more on housing and
Charles parking downtown.
Brian 201 Brook Dr Mccall ID 83638 briancharles7@hotmail.com For It's a nice addition to the
Charles buildin .
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Name Address Email Opinion Content ATTACHMENT 3
Justin 2181 west Mountain rd kasejust1993@gmail.com For This roof is unique and
Kaserman Donnelly ID 83615 harkens back to a simpler
time in McCall. The owners
should be celebrated for their
creativity.
Eric Cutbirth 313 N Third Street McCall eric.cutbirth@comcast.net For Hopefully this is the appeal
IDAHO 83638 related to water skis on the
building. My wife and I both
agree that the water skis on
the building add "character"
to an otherwise bland
building. We urge the McCall
City Council to take action to
allow the skis to remain while
also addressing concerns
about safety.
Adam 2147 West Mountain Road idahosbestrealtor@gmail.com For It feels like it's more about
Conklin Donnelly ID 83615 control than an actual issue.
It's a ski shop so they show
skis on their building.
Personally, I think it only adds
to the feel of McCall.
Andrea 3896 W SUGARBERRY ST andreadhb@msn.com For The city should be 100%
Colbert Eagle ID 83616 ashamed and embarrassed of
this harassment. How long
has the store been there? For
you to come in and flex like
this is unacceptable. Try
cleaning up the drug abuse in
the city before worrying
about pointless shit like this.
Dixie 305 Mather Road McCall ID johnsondixie@hotmail.com
Johnson 83638
Patricia 4321 S 10th Ave Apt 214 plrader@live.com
Rader Caldwell ID 83607
Deborah
butera
1110 N Finsbury Ave Star ID debbie.butera@gmail.com
83669
For
For
For
I am in favor of allowing the
water ski roof to remain. It
reflects the fun activities
available in McCall and it
makes folks smile when they
look at it. Anything that
makes people smile is a good
thing.
I am in favor of overturning
the ruling made by the City of
McCall. In favor of keeping
the roof!
Leave this business alone. The
roof has charm and it's
consistent with McCall being
a charming town. Who has a
problem with this building? Is
it out of staters? Don't let out
of state money dictate what's
good and what's not. Places
like this are what make McCall
fun. Don't ruin it.
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ATTACHMENT 3
Thad
14175 Hancock Rd. McCall ID dwpgmu@gmail.com
Brunelli 83638
For
Let the skis remain. They look
great and provide a
recreational vibe. Don't be so
hidebound.
Laurie Pilfers 2983 Syringa Drive New
Meadows ID 83654
Robert and
Edith Idaho 83638
Sutherland
Casey
Dickinson
Caleb
Strough
Carmen
Gemelli
Scott
Thompson
1046 Potts Drive McCall.
mlpillers@yahoo.com
edysutherland@gmail.com
404 Timm st McCall ID 83638 caseyjd84@hotmail.com
348 Maki Ln Mccall ID 83638 caleb.strough@gmail.com
3259 Thrush Creek Rd New
Meadows ID 83654
10310 Peterson Loop
Cascade ID 83611
cgemelli@ymail.com
scottthompson115@gmail.com
Against The added skis are definitely a
unique look, and do add to
the "ski town USA" character
of McCall even though they
are water skis instead of snow
skis. What I take issue with is
the business owner knew in
advance of installing them
that a permit was needed. For
whatever reason, he chose
not to apply for a permit.
Should he be rewarded for
this decision? I think not. If
the appeal is approved, what
does that say to other
business owners who went
through the proper process
and had to make
modifications to their plans,
or were denied their requests?
What does it say to those in
the future who may want to
do something against the city
code? If we disagree with the
code as it is written, proper
channels need to be followed
to change it.
For
For
For
For
For
Please allow them to keep the
skis on the roof. They are a
unique, creative addition to
the atmosphere of the
recreational actives of McCall,
Idaho.
ABSOLUTELY KEEP THE
SKISIIIII!lII
I support the skis. This is
government overreach when
a business isn't allowed to
decorate their own property.
Maybe focus on our eroding
infrastructure like the roads
you can't seem to fix.
Ski Town?
Keep the skis
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
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Name Address Email Opinion Content
Tara Curry 1747 W Roseberry Rd
Donnelly Id 83615
ATTACHMENT 3
taracurry@u.boisestate.edu For I for one think that for a small
business to create an artistic
visual display specific to what
makes McCall such a unique
place is fabulous! The design
is tasteful, fun, and true to the
outdoor spirit of Valley
county. No thanks to
conformity.
Hannah 13112 Cameron Dr Donnelly wilhelmshanna99@gmail.com For This facility is a great
Wilhelms ID 83615 reflection of the town of
Mccall and what we have to
offer as a ski town.
Nancy 12995 Ponderosa Ln Donnelly nancyjbloomfield@yahoo.com For I Love this touch of whimsy!
Bloomfield Id 83615 Perfect for McCall!
Marie Clay 143 Fuzi Rd POLLOCK ID mea2u@msn.com For The skis are unique, and they
83547 have been installed nicely.
Keep them.
John 2035 Plymouth Ct McCall Id Ijburro@aol.com For Please keep the roof as is with
Burroughs 83268 skis. They.give the building
and town character and they
enhance the building and
gives life to what has been a
drab corner of McCall
Lauren 711 Mission St Mccall Id Ihjackson@gmail.com For I am in support of these skis
Jackson 83638 as decoration. I think they add
a unique charm to McCall.
Kelly 1650 Chris Lane McCall ID kellylacrone@gmail.com For Love the skis!
LaCrone 83638
Malissa 115 Forest Place Donnelly ID malissapiszker@gmail.com For This is a ski town. WTH is
Piszker 83615 wrong with the city council "
no fun" zone. They already
shot down a bar that was
supposed to go in this
location. Why? If it isn't about
big development money then
it a no ?Can't wait to move on
down to a real town. This
place used to be so much fun.
Emily White 102 N. 3rd St. McCall ID
83638
emaw0720@gmail.com For I don't find it fair to restrict a
business from decorating
their own building. It looks
cool and gathers attention
possibly resulting in more
revenue for a locally owned
shop.
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Address
Email Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
Janell
Strosnider
501 Hill Lane McCall ID 83638 janellsldaho@gmail.com
For
Don't get frozen on minor
issues that don't matter,
dedicate more resources to
anddress affordable housing.
i.e. It is time for the city to "let
it go." #realproblems
#realsolutions
Paula 408 Virginia Blvd. McCall ID omedley713@gmail.com For It captures an essence of our
Medley 83638 beautiful city, past and
present.
Bridget Ross 1630 Davis Ave Mccall Id bridget.ross@gmail.com For The skis are a part of this
83638 town and a huge part of
history
Jason 1204 Mill Rd Mccall ID 83638 anr2day@gmail.com For Leave the Skis and allow the
ventress store to embrace the Ski and
recreational culture that still
exist in McCall! Any town can
be Generic or corporate. The
American dream is to create
your own success and
indivuality! Strange that
government wants to
interfere with the dream and
turn it into a public debate
about authority
Sue Switzer 224 Moonridge Dr McCall Id sue.c.switzer@gmail.com For I'm a full time resident in
83638 McCall. My husband and I
support our town donating to
fund raisers etc. The skis are
lovely and add a little spark to
the building. Let them leave
them up.
Robyn 1345 divot In Mccall ID 83638 rockingredrobyn@hotmail.com For Save the skis !!!
yraguen
Russell 44 Landale Ln Cascade ID russellmurdoch1@aol.com For McCall needs to stay original,
Murdoch 83611 stop adapting new age "sun
valley" rules/vibes. The overall
appeal of McCall is that it has
true Idaho roots, please don't
ruin this city with dumb things
like this.
Rachel 1906 Pilgrim Cove Rd McCall rachel.criddle@hotmail.com For I am in favor of keeping the
Criddle ID 83638 skis.
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Name Address
Email Opinion Content ATTACHMENT 3
Jason 14107 Hwy 55 McCall Id snowboarding_cowboy@hotmail.com For The character brought
Wright 83638 forward by having skis on the
Amye 351 Kemble Ln Mccall ID 70amye@gmail.com
Ground- 83638
Madsen
Kobi 950 conifer st Mccall Idaho kobiwindmiller01@gmail.com
Windmiller 83638
Thom
Sowers
269 Buckcamp Ln McCall ID thom.sowers@gmail.com
83638
For
For
roof pay homage to the ski
town that McCall is, both
winter and summer. To deny a
business the opportunity to
draw the attention of
potential customers is a
shame and is not warranted
to be governed by a city
council. What an overstep of
perceived power!
I think the skis on the roof of
this business are wonderful!
Please leave our small town
with some character. We don't
want to be forced into a town
which looks like every other
town. I love the skis!!
Keep the skis! I can't believe
they actually tried taking
them down it's ridiculous
For The City Code should be
updated to allow businesses
more leeway in decorating
their buildings...
Brian Allen 104 East Lake Street Mccall ID brianshawnallenl@yahoo.com For I feel as though the city has
83638 more important p&z issues to
consider. This almost seems
like it's personal rather than
the esthetics of the city.
Matt Yost 13760 Trammell Lane McCall mjyost@gmail.com For Let's the ski's be... It's a classic
Idaho 83638 resort look.
Kelly Hays 301 W Lake Mccall ID 83638 cdkhays@gmail.com For Keep the skis!
Marshall See 444 Rio Vista Blvd McCall ID mseefamily@gmail.com Neutral City of McCall, You allowed a
83648 large Nordic Hotel on the
main road to paint the hotel a
non -neutral color black (of all
colors). And didn't even put
up a fuss about that. But yet
this business has a more
classy and decorative curb
appeal and you throw a fit?
Makes no sense. Stop hurting
small businesses. Please allow
this business to keep the skis
on their roof. It's not hurting
anyone as long as they're
installed safely which I'm sure
they were.
Jonathan 104 East Lake Street McCall jlewis30@uvm.edu For I support the ski roof
Lewis MCCALlat IPMUNCIL PH AA -23-12 COMMENTS
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ATTACHMENT 3
Tami Rechen 1719 Crescent Dr McCall ID
83638
trechen@twc.com
For Allow owner to keep roof as is
with skis
Mary Wallis . 1338 Beach Way McCall ID
83638
rrmlwallis@hotmail.com
For
Keep the skis
Gregory
Plummer
13876 Williams road Mc call 62Chris18@gmail.com
Id 83638
Angela 628 ruby b18 Mccall Id 83638 ladybugpress@gmail.com
Stewart
Rebecca
Reilly
Rylie DeLuna
211 Rawhide Loop McCall ID
83638
77 Chase Drive,McCaII Idaho
83638
For
For
I see no reason to remove
these. They are not an
eyesore and fit into the lake
community theme you are
desperately trying to avoid. I
love it and want more of this
I think the ski's add a unique
twist to the building that fits
McCall. McCall needs more
character not less.
tyles67@aol.com
ryliedeluna@gmail.comn
Rick Fereday 315 Burns Rd McCall ID - aviator81t@gmail.com
Idaho 83638 '
Shelley 1316 Jasper McCall ID 83638
Phillips
Kenzie 704 Fairway Dr McCall Id
McKim 83638
phillipsshelley@yahoo.com
kenzie.mckim98@gmail.com
For
For
I personally think the ski
decor on the building
attributes to the charm and
characterof our ski mountain
town of McCall. If there is a
public safety issue, surely
there is a reasonable option
to resolve. I hope the skis get
to stay! Sincerely, Becky Reilly
They add character to McCall
Against P & Z made a good decision.
Ugliest building in town now.
Thumbs down on the appeal.
For
For
Brad Walters 332 big salmon rd Riggins ID hellscanyonoutfitters@gmail.com For
83549
Linda 1880 Bear Basin Rd McCall ID Isundstrom8@gmail.com
Sundstrom 83638
For
It looks so cute with the skis
It bring more life to our town
and highlight 2 big outdoor
sports, water skiing and snow
skiing
Keep the skis. Quit picking on
this guy. I feel like there are
probably more important
issues to address in the city of
McCall than making sure
everything is "Earth Tones". A
little bit of character won't
hurt the place.
Seriously? This may be the
only building with any
character in town. Classic ski
town shop with whimsical art
is being denied it's
expression?
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Name Address Email Opinion Content ATTACHMENT 3
Lynne 1880 Bear Basin Rd McCall ID Iaspedis@gmail.com For I love this building and the
Haspedis 83638 roof decorated with skis.
Lighten up, please!
Nancy 13982 Country Way McCall ID tallguyandme@yahoo.com For This gives McCall tourist
Bellman 83638 appeal. You have people
coming to McCall for winter
sports. This fits in with one of
the things that draws people
to McCall.
Lynne Galey 8429 Duncan Lane Boise ID Igaleyidaho@gmail.com
83714
For The skis are unique and
clever. Great way to add
McCall personality to that
plain, out -dated mansard
roof. Such'a fun
improvement!!
Kim Hawks Po Nox 295 Pollock ID 83547 hawks66@hotmail.com For Love how it looks. Artistic!
Mary Pasley P.O. 277 New Meadows ID mary.pasley@pazres.net For I love the cool roof as it is.
83654 Please, vote to let it be. Thank
you.
Ellyn 1740 W Tenzing St NAMPA ID ebrannon@att.net
Brannon 83686
For
Keep the skis! It so
appropriate for McCall given
that income from winter
skiing keeps McCall in
business. City Council: Don't
bite the hand that feeds you!
Felicia olson 127 Georgianna Dr Riggins ID feliciastetson@gmail.com For Keep the skies
83549
Mark 416 ynot lane Elk city Id elkcitymark@hotmail.com For Leave them they are very cool
Thornton 83525 looking. They would make a
great postcard. Run the
California's out of McCall
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ATTACHMENT 3
Julie 15 Grouse Idaho City ID jrteach27@gmail.com For Respectfully, please keep the
Randolph 83631 skis on the building. They are
one of the features that keeps
McCall unique and they fit the
theme of a mountain ski
town. Throwing them out
would create more waste to
the environment. This is a
unique way to reuse an item
that fits the areas theme. My
family has been part of the
McCall community since 1972.
My mom owns property there
since 1990, my aunt was a
property owner and taught at
the school 1972-1986, my
cousin has lived in McCall
since 1972, I did my student
teaching in McCall, my
brother and I visit often at our
mom's cabin. We enjoy the
skis on the building. Please
consider keeping them a part
of the community we love so
much.
Diane 653 Woodlands Dr McCall lovetomtnbike@earthlink.net For Save the skis.
Sanders Idaho 83638
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Name Address
Email
Opinion Content ATTACHMENT 3
John 408 McGinnis McCall Idaho johnhoddenbachjh@gmail.com For Why do you feel the need to
Hoddenbach 83638 punish and harass businesses
for such petty things. It's not
really even a roof but a focal
point. Hotel McCall should
have to remove the old
vehicle from the sidewalk that
is a hazard on the corner. Mile
High marina has oars on their
building as well. Home town
sports has a paddle board in
front of their building in
summer. Other places have
things as well but they are
local people who seem to not
be harassed for their catchy
ideas. Maybe we could figure
out a way to remove dead
animals from the roadsides
around town that rot year
round from road kill or go
back to spend time to police
people wearing a mask to
walk 10 feet into a restaurant
to sit down and eat without
the mask, that makes perfect
sense. Pancake House used to
do a wall of pumpkins no one
bothered them. Rustic
Outlook has things around
their place as well. Frans
Whitty nursery has a giant elk
in their yard.
Eric 200 Scott Street McCall ID ostensen57@gmail.com For Keep a little small town
Ostensen 83638 character
Jennifer 687 Fox Ridge Lane McCall Id jenduplisea@gmail.com For I find the ski line on this roof
Duplisea 83638 structure a nice add to our
community. A community that
is known for its' snow sports,
water sports and all outdoor
fun. This is a strong testament
to days gone by and ties
McCall to our roots in visual
fashion. Let's not take
everything so seriously; let's
have some fun with our town.
Teresa
Mignerey
PO Box 88 Riggins ID 83549 mignerey81@gmail.com
For
I see nothing wrong with skies
on building. It says come let's
have some fun! McCall is just
that a water-skiing and snow-
sking community.
Mendy 309 MCBride Street 105 mendyb13@gmail.com For FOR!
Barnes McCall Idaho 83638
Don 958 Conifer Lane Mccall I5 don.fitzwater@gmail.com For As long as they are safe they
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Susan 159 Brook Drive McCall Idaho 4suemccoy@gmail.com Neutral I feel the shop owners outside
McCoy 83638 decorations are not offensive.
Mimi Peugh 295 Heikkila Lane McCall ID mimi-ski@hotmail.com For Love the Skiis! First creative
83638 thing that has been done in
McCall in a very long time!
Very Clever! Turned that 70's
roofline into a colorful piece
of art! As the saying goes;"
the earth without art, is just
eh!"
Justin Rowe 414 Colorado street Mccall Id juurowe22@gmail.com
83638
Against They should have been taken
down immediately. The fact
that our city council is wasting
time on these types of issues
is lame. You have to ask for
permission/permits to do
anything why should these
owners be treated differently.
Because they want to. I call
bull:((()$&@@.
Ellen or 604 Thompson Ave McCall ID Ibg4u@yahoo.com For The ski "awning" is a
Bencken 83638 wonderful display of what
we're known for here. GREAT
SKIING! for young and old.
Little Ski Hill, Brundage
Mountain. It is a quaint
reminder of where we've been
and who we are -a wonderful
small mountain town. Respect
for small business in our town
please.
Mark Parker 1311 Hubbard Ln Mccall Id MLParker1@mac.com For Keep the skis. McCall is a ski
83638 town and it's appropriate.
Jason Hall 100 Eagle Shores Ct McCall nosajllah@gmail.com For We are for keeping the skis
ID 83638 and the freedom to make
reasonable choices for
ourselves.
Joshua
Warden
716 Chad Drive McCall Idaho joshwarden@hotmail.com
83638
Celeste 1059 Cee Way Loop McCall
miller ID 83638
Kathy 235 ELD In. Sp#2 Donnelly Id
akerstrom 83615
ckvmiller@gmail.com
kathystear@gmail.com
For
For
For Appeal ruling. The Skis on the
side of the building are not
"roofing material". If anything,
they are engineered siding.
The skis are a cool design and
are unique. Don't kill a small
local business (and our
support for the city) with
bureaucracy.
Keep the skis
Leave the skis alone! Their not
hurting anyone!!
MCCALL CITY COUNCIL
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Name
Jim Reilly
Amber
Maupin
Address
210 Broken Pine Lane McCall
Idaho 83638
372 Tjs Loop McCall ID 83638
Julie Turner 1303 Mill Rd #9 McCall ID
91011
Wendy
Smith
Aimee
apricot
Peyton
Garcia
3445 S Linder Road Meridian
ID 83642
Email
Reilsjim@gmail.com
ambermaupin@maupinhomes.com
jsessing@yahoo.com
spyglassgardens@gmail.com
710 lickcreek Mccall Id 83638 aimeejane@yahoo.com
415 Patterson Ave Cascade
Idaho 83611
Jane Galled 520 Krahn lane Mccall Id
83638
Sylvia Fenich 416 N. Cunningham Ave.
New Meadows Idaho 83654
Anne Owen 376 Stockton Ct McCall ID
83638
Karen Bailey 50 Chase dr Mccall Id 83638
Emily 1406 Ponderosa St McCall ID
Murphy 83638
Sarah curtin 980 Valley View Lane McCall
ID 83638
Tom
Bloomfield
12995 Ponderosa Lane
Donnelly Idaho 83615
Chameice 13449 Farm To Market Rd
Daniel Mccall ID 83638
peytongarcia737@gmail.com
Iathropcity40@yahoo.com
sylvia_blue_sky@yahoo.com
annecowen123@gmail.com
kbailey4280@yahoo.com
Emurphydownhill@gmail.com
scurtin@alumni.emory.edu
tombloom907@gmail.com
spiritravel@msn.com
Opinion Content
ATTACHMENT 3
For I am in support of overturning
the denial ("keep the skis").
For I think the skies add character
to the otherwise outdated
building. Total McCall vibes.
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
For
The skis add a unique feel to
the community.
Skiing put McCall on the Map.
This place adorned in skis
iconic and is perfect. Please
aave.
I'm not neutral, just didn't
know if "for or against" went
which direction. Let them
keep the skis. Seriously bigger
things to vote about, can't
believe I took the time. Tips
up!
Keep The skis
Keep the skis unless it is
safety issue with legitimate
reasons
The individuality shown in this
building is to be admired and
protected. It points out the
difference in a small
community that promotes
adventerous style rather than
a "cookie cutter" image from
big city minds.
Love it - we are a resort town
and this is fun and adds to the
charm of McCall.
They are tastefully installed
and highlight winter activities
in our area.
Keep McCall cool!
N/a
The skis look great. They give
it the small ski town feel!
Keep them! This is a
wonderful aesthetic for a ski
town.
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Michele 45 Silver Fox Trail McCall ID northwet2016@gmail.com For
Strang 83638
I love the look of the skis on
the roof! What.a testament to
the McCall lifestyle. Water skis
for the lake in the summer
and snow skis for the slopes
in the winter. What is not to
like about them?
Quintessential McCall. I like
the shop and the items
offered in there, too. I can't
think of one good reason the
skis should not be allowed to
stay.
Russell Lantz 2122 Highway 95 Council ID lantzersunited@gmail.com
83612
For The skis are awesome! Wish I
could see them even closer..
After all skiers and snow
boarding bring in lots of
revenue too McCall. Adds
character to the community. 1
vote keep the skis. This isn't
Germany
Lisa 1607 Davis Ave McCall ID mcskibum@aol.com For KEEP THE SKIS
McCallister 83638
Shawna 907 Ann St McCall Id 83638 shawna@mccallcabins.com For FOR
Hellerman
Patty Knight 159 Brook Dr McCall ID 1pattyknight@gmail.com Against Waterskis on the roof are an
83638 eyesore and not in
compliance with city code.
Also one exception just invites
more exceptions
Tony
Shoemaker
Eris
Montchalin
190 Krahn In McCall ID 83638 lyriksparents@hotmail.com
405 Rio Vista mccall id 83638 moniquemontchalin@gmail.com
For For!
Against If they are allowed to go
against city code than every
business in McCall should be
able to do the same.
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