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HomeMy Public PortalAbout03-11-2003PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - MARCH 11, 2003 PRESENT: RON JOHNSON, BILL LOE, MARILYN FORTIN, DICK PICARD, LENNY LEVER, MARY VERBICK, SHARON JOHNSON AND JERRY BROST. ALSO PRESENT PLANNING AND ZONING ADMINISTRATOR LOREN KOHNEN, CITY ADMINISTRATOR CHAD ADAMS, CITY ENGINEER TOM KELLOGG AND PLANNING AND ZONING ASSISTANT SANDIE LARSON. ABSENT: ELIZABETH WEIR Vice -chairperson Dick Picard called the meeting to order at7:05 p.m. 1. ROLLING GREEN COUNTRY CLUB - 400 EVERGREEN ROAD - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT - CABANA ADDITION AND POOL - PUBLIC HEARING Loren Kohnen read his memo to the planning commission and put up overheads of the proposal. Ho-Youl Chang, pointed out on the renderings, the area that was new which amounts to 8,049 square feet of additional hardcover. He said that during this application they have been in contact with Loren, Tom Kellogg and the watershed district. He said they are set for construction in August of this year. Jerry Brost wanted to know what the increase in hardcover was. H. Chang said he did not know the exact percent of increase, but that they were under the 10,000 square feet of additional hardcover that would have required different permitting with the watershed. Lenny Leuer asked about the spa that was on some of the information ,but not all. H. Chang said that it was still up for decision, it depended on the budget, but did point out where it would be if it was constructed. L. Leuer asked Loren if there would be a problem with the spa if it was built and Loren said no. L. Leuer asked about the moveable fences. H. Chang said they would create temporary boundaries to the heating equipment when the pool was in use. L. Leuer asked if there would be a permanent fence around the pool and Ho-Youl said yes. L. Leuer asked about Jim Dillman's memo where he recommended no pool drainage to the sanitary sewer and then Tom Kellogg's memo said something about draining it into the sewer. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 1 Tom Kellogg said his memo said storm sewer. He said there is a swale on the north side going east to the existing pond. L. Kohnen said there was a pond to the east of the building. L. Leuer wondered how many gallons the pool held and how often it was drained. Ho-Youl said he was not sure about the gallons. Ken Gullickson, general manager of Rolling Green, said it would probably only be drained at the end of the season and then it is only about 50% drained. He said the existing pool has about 125,000 gallons. L. Leuer said if the pool is draining to the pond, how does the Met Council get involved as far as SAC charges go. L. Kohnen said it involves the area around the pool. L. Leuer said it was important to let them know that the pool is not drained into the sanitary sewer. Staff will send the plans to the Met Council for review. L. Leuer asked why the chlorine had to be removed before the pool was drained.. It was discussed and explained that the major share of the chlorine dissipates and is gone before the pool is drained.. K. Gullickson said they currently drain the pool over the swale and the vegetation is not harmed at all. Mary Verbick asked if there was ever a problem with the amount of water that is drained and Ken said no.. Ron Johnson asked if the applicants were going along with staff recommendation and they said yes. Dick Picard asked about the water being de -chlorinated naturally. H. Chang said that the chlorine looses it's concentration over time. L. Kohnen said it evaporates. D. Picard asked about the backwashing. H. Chang said there is a pit in the equipment room and it is used to control the level of the pool. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 2 K. Gullickson said it is also an opportunity to clean the filters. Marilyn Fortin asked if the spa would be a whirlpool and sauna or just whirlpool. H. Chang said just a whirlpool. The public hearing was closed. MOVED BY LENNY LEUER AND SECONDED BY MARY VERBICK TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AMENDMENT FOR THE CABANA ADDITION AND NEW POOL WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS: 1. Erosion and sediment plan submitted to the city engineer for approval before any construction begins. 2. All site drainage be approved by city engineer and watershed. 3. Lock boxes provided for cabana and chemical building. 4. All light fixtures on site will have to be downcast with all sides enclosed except bottom, with the globe and light source not visible. 5. All lighting must meet the lighting ordinance 6. Plans to be approved by the fire department 7. A 24 hour phone number be provided to police and fire departments. 8. Continued compliance with existing conditional use permit. 9. Pool to be reviewed by State Health Department 10. There shall be no connection between city water and private well water 11. There shall be no connection to sanitary sewer for pool drainage. 12. Pool treatment chemicals shall be in a secure area, with outside door properly marked as chemical room. 13. All requirements of the city engineer. Jerry Brost said because of the potential of the spa, do we want to adhere to hardcover parameters. Ho-Youl Chang reminded the planning commission that the hardcover would not change if the spa is added. MOTION PASSED. 2. ROLLING GREEN BUSINESS CENTER - COUNTY ROAD 116/MEANDER ROAD - PLAT - RE -ZONING AND SITE PLAN REVIEW - PUBLIC HEARING Loren Kohnen read his memo to the planning commission and put up overheads of the proposal. He stated that this was very similar to the application last fall that the planning commission had approved. Loren stated that there would be no loading docks, just overhead doors for light delivery trucks. He also stated that the trees by Mr. Peterson should remain. He put up an overhead of the preliminary plat showing the 43 lots. Loren stated that the radius would be checked with the fire department. He also pointed out in the SE corner where additional Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 3 screening is required. . He also pointed out the difference in this proposal vs the one from last fall - the back of the walk out units do not show the small dormers and maybe we should discuss this. Loren said he would recommend it, because it would help with the look of the roof line. Terry Schneider project coordinator, said he was also involved in the Business Park zoning and he thinks this project is exactly what was envisioned and achieves the goal of the ordinance. He said this will set the tone for future development. Terry said he was generally in agreement with staff except for a few of the comments. He said this is a tricky product to build and there are challenges to make this work. He said a townhouse/office product needs some discussion on park fees/hook up charges, etc. He said his intent is to work with the city council on the numbers 1st item: Terry said he questions the pavement on Meander Road. He said they went into this thinking 341' would be paved and not more right now since it possibly won't be used for many years. He said he would like the planning commission to leave this open for the city council to decide. There was discussion of staff recommendation vs the city engineer's recommendation. Terry said he would like the city council to decide which recommendation would be required. 2nd item: Dormers - Terry said they designed this project to be cost effective. He said the Foxberry residents would be looking at this from 1500' away. Sharon Johnson asked about the re -zoning. L. Kohnen said that the outlots could not be built on and Sharon asked why. Loren said that outlots are not buildable and that they would need to come in and re -plat the property when they do want to do more building. Bill Ciora, 935 Sunset Court, said #1 - the dormers are important - they are in front and it is important to Foxberry. #2 - Colors of the buildings - Bill said he hoped they are going with tan and not the green. #3 - He asked about the materials and was told Hardy plank and brick. - #4 - berm height on north side of building - Loren said 16' with 8' spruce trees. - #5 - Road - from the Foxberry perspective - we would rather see it not paved and also wanted to know the reason for requiring it to be extended. Loren said we usually always ask for roads to be extended all the way to property lines and we are not asking for that much here. B. Ciora said if it is not paved all the way, someone will have to absorb the cost later. Tom Kellogg said that Loren is right, usually in subdivisions we require all the way to the lot line and we are not asking that much here. B. Ciora - #6 - Drawing is pretty nice - he said is there any way to stipulate that the other lots , when developed, are consistent. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 4 L. Kohnen said that the City probably would not approve a new one if it was not a nice proposal. Loren put up an overhead showing where additional landscaping could be at the end of a row of buildings to help break the view. Brad Kvanbeck, Medina Park Commissioner, asked if there would be a 15' easement for a trail along Co. Rd. 116. Jerry Brost asked if it would be a multi use trail and Brad said yes. T. Schneider said that they put in two color schemes just to show a couple of options. He said it was o.k. with them if the City stipulates tan. Steve Valerius, 935 Sunset Court, asked about lighting. Tom Dunsmore said there would be a safety light above the doors. B. Ciora asked if they would be motion detector lights and Tom said they could be, no problem. J. Brost said he was curious about the roof height from east to west - is it terraced? T. Schneider said it is broken up so much he doesn't believe you could tell the difference. B. Ciora asked Loren if the back of units facing Foxberry are walkouts and what regulates them fromputting dog kennels, garbage carts, etc. Is it part of their association rules. L. Kohnen said yes, their association would regulate items like that. Lenny Leuer had some questions: #1 - On the preliminary plat I see 3 different types of buildings, A,B and C and two or three level depending on where they sit - I also see walkout and lookout - what is the difference. T. Schneider said that a walkout has a door at grade and a lookout has high windows with grade coming up to them. He said there is a different stairway configuration with the lookout. L. Leuer #2 - 5 units show they are three level structures. There was discussion about the number of floors in the units. L. Leuer - #3 - peak of elevation vs existing building. T. Schneider said they are 40' to the peak from the 1st floor. L. Leuer asked if there was a set of drawings with cross sections, showing height of buildings and how they drop off. T. Kellogg said that on sheet C5 it shows elevations without the buildings. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 5 L. Leuer asked about the dirt balance. T. Schneider said that it generally balances - he said they will have to export some dirt and import some to get the right balance of materials. L. Leuer asked if there would only be overhead doors on the units down the middle and Terry said that was correct. L. Leuer asked how big the doors would be. T. Dunsmore said roughly the size of a garage door - 9-12' wide. He said that a 9' wide single standard garage door is the intent. L. Leuer asked if they had considered double doors instead of overheads. T. Dunsmore said it would be up to the buyer of the unit. T. Schneider said that you generally design units for a 9' opening, but some buyers could change to a window, etc. L. Leuer - #4 - asked if a buyer wants multiple units, how does the exterior change and he was told it would not. Ron Johnson asked about spruce trees - he wanted to know if the applicants were open for staff to review after the berming is done to see what kind and size trees would work best. T. Schneider said they would like both staff and neighbors to review. L. Kohnen said it should be a policy to get the neighbors involved. Marilyn Fortin asked about spruce trees - she said how about trees that are more 'salt hardy'. T. Schneider said that spruce trees are very dense vs salt hardy trees that are not so dense. M. Fortin asked what the planting would be along Co. Rd. 116. L. Kohnen said they will be Black Hills Spruce. T. Schneider said that the landscape plan shows the plantings. M. Fortin asked if this development would be done in phases or all at once. T. Dunsmore said the back will probably sell first and they will do it as they sell, but the base will be in for all units. He said it will probably feel like two phases. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 6 Dick Picard asked what had changed since the application last fall. L. Kohnen pointed out on an overhead the changes. D. Picard asked what types of businesses would be in the units. T. Dunsmore said it would vary - computer business, dentist, chiropractor, manufacturers reps, real estate, brokers, etc. D. Picard asked about outside storage. T. Schneider pointed out on an overhead where a central dumpster would be, maybe two, and they would be screened with like materials of the buildings. D. Picard asked who pays for turn lanes, etc. and he was told that the developer would pay for the road improvements that would be needed because of the development. L. Leuer asked Loren if each business would need an administrative conditional use permit and Loren said yes. Penny Allen, 935 Sunset Court, asked about signage. T. Schneider pointed out on the overhead where the signs would be - he said there could be a Suite # and a name - He said the applicant will submit a sign package. Public Hearing was closed at 8:50 p.m. MOVED BY LENNY LEUER AND SECONDED BY SHARON JOHNSON TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS: 1. Hennepin County Planning to review and comment before this proposal goes to the city council for preliminary approval. 2. Comments to be received from Elm Creek Watershed before this proposal goes to the city council. 3. All requirements and conditions of the city engineer including all drainage and utility easements. 4. Meander Road built to a 9 ton standard for 341.18 feet and graded to the west side of the wetland in the middle of the proposal (note: the city engineer recommendation is somewhat different - city council to decide which it should be) 5. A continuation of a trail must be provided for the east side of the entire parcel. This trail must be graded by the applicants. 6. A sanitary sewer line and water line be extended to the west side of the wetland in conjunction with the grading of Meander Road 7. A sewer line be extended to the east side of County Road 116, the location to be determined by the Public Works Director and city engineer. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 7 8. Easements provided over wetlands, drainage ways and ponding areas. MOTION PASSED. Lenny Leuer asked about the sewer line going under 116 to the east. Tom Kellogg said that the city pays the trunk charge and will pick up when property is developed. MOVED BY LENNY LEUER AND SECONDED BY RON JOHNSON TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING FROM BUSINESS PARK TO BUSINESS PARK-PUD WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: 1 Site and hydrant locations be reviewed by the Hamel Fire Chief 2. Any requirements of the Elm Creek Watershed 3. Any conditions of Hennepin County Planning 4. All lighting fixtures onsite and on the buildings must be downcast type with all sides enclosed except the bottom, with the globe or lens not visible and all lighting must meet the city's lighting ordinance. 5. Light standards in parking areas or on building be a maximum of 20' in height. 6. Additional landscaping be provided for a 25' setback to parking lot along county Road 116 to achieve a more complete buffer at the SE parking area. This to be approved by city staff 7. Berms adjacent to Meander Road be provided with 8' spruce trees. 8. All conditions of city engineer 9. Building height reduced to 35' total height at highest roof ridge. 10. Trail along County Road 116 be graded by the applicant. 11.Park fees due on Lots 1-43 before building permits are issued. Amount to be determined. MOTION PASSED 3. ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS RELATING TO REGULATION OF AGRICULTURE IN THE CITY - PUBLIC HEARING Lenny Leuer said that the Ag Task Force has had many breakdowns. He stated that the Mayor and Ann Thies were chosen to co-chair the Task Force and that Tom Crosby has put together a list of what has yet to be done and there are more controversial things yet to be done. Lenny stated that he is not adverse to going thru these ordinance amendments, but he really thinks it is pre -mature and that the planning commission should see all of the ordinance changes at one time. Bi11 Loe said that he does not know much about what has been happening, but did wonder why we (planning commission) was getting it piece meal. He said he would abstain from any voting on this tonight because of not knowing much about it and not having much time to review it There was discussion of whether to discuss this tonight or wait for a more complete document since this was a very controversial issue. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 8 L. Leuer said we could make comments on what is here and he would suggest that their recommendation to the council be not to act on it, but wait until we see an entire package.. Lenny then went on to talk about the definition of feedlot, pasture, etc. He said point blank that this ordinance and discussion was aimed at horses and he wondered where 'paddock' came in. He also said that he had a problem with the definition of feedlot and that it seemed like there was some wording left out. Jerry Brost defined paddock: He said it was a turn out area for horses where no vegetation was found due to the traffic. There was further discussion on the definition of paddock and where in the ordinance the definition belonged, if it belonged there at all, etc. MOVED BY BILL LOE AND SECONDED BY RON JOHNSON TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE AGRICULTURE TASK FORCE FOR A MORE COMPLETE DOCUMENT. MOTION PASSED. 4. ORDINANCE AMENDMENT CONCERNING EROSION CONTROL - PUBLIC HEARING There was one change on page 3, Subd 6 (b) (i) - delete the second 'the, to read - - - non- compliance with this There was no further discussion and no other deletions or changes. MOVED BY MARILYN FORTIN AND SECONDED BY BILL LOE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE ONE CHANGE NOTED. MOTION PASSED. 5. MINUTES OF JANUARY 14, 2003 The spelling of Bill Loe's last name was corrected. MOVED BY MARY VERBICK AND SECONDED BY JERRY BROST TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED. MOTION PASSED. 6. APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE -CHAIR FOR 2003 Jerry Brost nominated Elizabeth Weir for chairperson and Mary Verbick seconded that nomination. Nominations were closed. Elizabeth Weir was elected chairperson for 2003. Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 9 Ron Johnson nominated Dick Picard for vice -chairperson and Bill Loe seconded that nomination. Nominations were closed. Dick Picard was elected vice -chairperson for 2003. MOVED BY MARY VERBICK AND SECONDED BY MARILYN FORTIN TO ADJOURN. MOTION PASSED. Meeting was adjourned at 10:20 p.m. Planning and Zoning Assistant Date Planning Commission Minutes March 11, 2003 10