HomeMy Public PortalAbout2011_tcmin0524COUNCIL MEETING May 24, 2011
Council Chambers, 25 West Market Street, 7:30 p.m. Mayor Umstattd presiding.
Council Members Present: David Butler, Thomas Dunn, II, Fernando "Marty"
Martinez, Katie Sheldon Hammler, Kenneth "Ken" Reid, Kevin Wright and Mayor
Umstattd.
Council Members Absent: None.
Staff Present: Town Manager John Wells, Town Attorney Jeanette Irby, Deputy Town
Manager Kaj Dentler, Director of Public Works Tom Mason, Economic Development
Manager Marantha Edwards, Director of Plan Review William Ackman, Assistant to
the Town Manager Scott Parker, Director of Planning and Zoning Susan Berry Hill,
Deputy Director of Planning and Zoning Brian Boucher, Zoning Administrator Chris
Murphy, Senior Planner Mike Watkins, Deputy Zoning Administrator Wake
Burkholder, and Clerk of Council Lee Ann Green
AGENDA ITEMS
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. INVOCATION: Vice Mayor Wright
3. SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Council Member Butler
4. ROLL CALL: Showing all Council Member Martinez arriving at 7:33 p.m.
5. MINUTES
a. Work Session Minutes of May 9, 2011
On a motion by Council Member Hammler, seconded by Council
Member Butler, the minutes of the May 9 work session were approved as
presented, 5 -0 -1 -1 (Umstattd abstaining /Martinez absent).
b. Regular Session Minutes of May 10, 2011
On a motion by Vice Mayor Wright, seconded by Council Member
Butler, the minutes of the May 10 regular session were approved as presented, 6-
0-1 (Martinez absent).
6. ADOPTING THE MEETING AGENDA
On a motion by Vice Mayor Wright, seconded by Council Member Butler, the
meeting agenda was approved as presented by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Martinez, Reid, Wright, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7 -0
7. PRESENTATIONS
a. None.
8. PETITIONERS
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The petitioner's section was opened at 7:33 p.m.
Melanie Miles, 205 North King Street, stated she and her husband, David, own
the Glenfiddich House, formerly known as Harrison Hall. She stated the house has been
recognized for its historical significance beyond the local community. She stated a
permanent Civil War trail marker was placed in the front of the house depicting the
house's significance during the Civil War. She stated on Saturday, June 11, there will be
a ribbon cutting to celebrate the marker and invited Council to attend.
The petitioner's section was closed at 7:39 p.m.
9. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA
On a motion by Council Member Martinez, seconded by Council Member
Butler, the following items were moved for approval as part of the Consent Agenda:
a. Easement Acquisition Authorization Woodberry Road Drainage and
Street Improvements Project
May 24, 2011
RESOLUTION 2011 -061
Declaring that a Public Necessity and Use Exists and Authorizing an
Offer to Acquire Right of Way Dedications and Easements for the
Woodberry Road Drainage and Street Improvements Project
b. Authorizing a Land Use Permit Application for Construction of
Battlefield Parkway (Edwards Ferry Road to Fort Evans Road)
RESOLUTION 2011 062
Authorizing a Land Use Permit Application for Construction of
Battlefield Parkway Edwards Ferry to Fort Evans Improvement Project
c. Easement Acquisition Authorization Dry Mill, Wage, and Anne Storm
Drainage Improvements
RESOLUTION 2011 063
Declaring that a Public Necessity and Use Exists and Authorizing an
Offer to Acquire Easements for the Dry Mill, Wage and Anne Storm
Drainage Improvements Project
d. Initiation of Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance Unattached
Accessory Structures
RESOLUTION 2011 064
Initiate Amendment to Exempt Certain Small, Unfixed Structures from
Having to Obtain Zoning Permits and /or Certificates of Appropriateness
when Applicable
e. Health Insurance Emergency Procurement Award
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RESOLUTION 2011 -065
Awarding a Contract for Employee Medical Insurance to Anthem Blue
Cross /Blue Shield
The Consent Agenda was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Martinez, Reid, Wright, and Mayor
Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7 -0
10. PUBLIC HEARINGS
a. TLZM 2011 -0001 Wolf Furniture Rezoning Application
The public hearing was opened at 7:41 p.m.
Watkins• before you this evening is a rezoning application. It's TLZM
2011 -0001 for Wolf furniture. This is a concept plan and proffer amendment. The
property is located and outlined in red on the graphic. To the north is Fort Evans
road. To the right is Leesburg commerce center. To the south is the Leesburg
premium outlets and then to the left are the Hampton Inn and Homewood suites
hotels. This graphic shows you two illustrations. One is the land -use policy map.
The applicant has provided sufficient justification for the rezoning and concept
plan amendment and the application meets the town plan goals and objectives.
The graphic on the lower right -hand side is the zoning map. It is zoned B -2.
Again, this is a concept plan amendment for TLZM 2005 -0004. The previous
rezoning did have a concept plan and proffers and elevations. The applicant's
proposal is the redevelopment options. The first being a 46,030 ft. furniture sales
building with primary access from Fort Evans road with parking located in front
of the building and loading and unloading on the south side of the building. It has
frontage to the bypass. Development option number two essentially is the same
building footprint, 46,030 ft. however, it includes B -2 uses. Development option
three is the larger, 69,970 ft. much like what was approved on the original
rezoning. Again, it shares the same development characteristics as what we
showed on the concept plan. The application was granted a buffer modification
for the screening material located adjacent to the bypass in the rear of the
development. The ordinance requires a mix of canopy trees, evergreen trees, and
shrubs and the modification conditions included conformance with the elevations
that I showed you earlier. Screening material to be provided elsewhere on the
property, trees consistent with what's identified in the zoning ordinance, revisions
to the landscaping plan and redevelopment requirements are required. If the
applicant wants to change the exterior of the building, the land development
official will look at those. Again, this illustration shows you the buffer yard
modification. The applicant has provided proffers. They include substantial
conformance with the site plan, reimbursement of $190,995 to the town of
Leesburg for improvements made by the town to Fort Evans road, off-site
transportation contribution for options one and three, use restrictions... I have
provided you a green sheet at the dais for amendments to the proffers that the
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applicant has made. The applicant has included a restriction for access for
delivery trucks to Fort Evans road only and there are design requirements in the
event that the buffer yard landscaping and screening material is provided.
Resolution of staff comments: the applicant has amended the concept plan to
reflect the items that were contained in the planning commission staff report.
Those included truck turning movements, a loading bay note, additional notes to
be adjusted, landscaping, and a note for mechanical equipment. The planning
commission held its public hearing. There were no public comments. The
planning commission agreed with staffs recommendations and those included
minor revisions to the concept plan notes, which have been made already,
adjustments to the off -site transportation contribution with 2011 calculations and
truck and delivery hour proffer. In addition, the planning commission
recommended a proffer to add development option one first such that they were
assured that development options two and three would be latter phases and the
furniture store building constructed first and a request to consider other restricted
B -2 uses. So, for your consideration this evening you have staff and planning
commission recommendations to look at an offer to construct development
option one first, additional proffered use restrictions, town plan off site
transportation contribution for options one and two based on 2011 calculations, a
consideration for a proffered amount for the B -2 uses in option two and a proffer
for truck traffic delivery hours.
Hammier: Mike, thanks for the presentation. Just a couple. Could you
clarify your comment that the elevations were approved or not? I'm looking at
page 7 of 16 of the staff report." The applicant has not proffered elevations
Watkins: in this application, the elevations themselves have not been
proffered but are incorporated into the landscaping modification. What is seen in
the illustration I showed you before is the applicant's desire to build to those
elevations and any modifications and later development options, whether there
be two or three, the land development official will look at those in terms of
conformance with the landscape modification such that the applicant does not
have to come back through the legislative review process.
Hammler: just relative to the other glaring example around town which
has become an issue for citizens was when we passed up the opportunity to look
at the Home Depot roof, for instance. So something like that would obviously be
an issue based on a building elevation.
Watkins: it was our opinion that the modification dealt with the
elevations themselves for this application and this application only. We would
look at the circumstances of any other applications as the merits of that
application warrant.
Hammler: my other quick question is on the next page which is site
design C# 1 and the building location, I certainly understand the desire to set the
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building back just given some of the adjacent uses, but how does that tie into the
form -based code goals?
Watkins: to the best of my knowledge, this property lies out side of what
has been designated for the form -based code. So in terms of adjacency, the
context which the property lies, moving the building further away from Fort
Evans road, which is primarily a separation from the residential uses to the north,
to the commercial uses adjacent to the bypass, so it was our opinion that the
building location was suitable to mitigate the impact of the use of the building
and also to fit in context with the other two adjacent buildings to the north and
south of this property.
Hammler: okay, I appreciate the clarification. Thank you.
Butler: I just want to clarify, so is staff comfortable with the fact that the
elevations have not been proffered?
Watkins: with this application, we felt that the landscape modification
adequately covers the development option one and subsequent amendments to
the application would be dealt with by the land development official.
Butler: is that a long way of saying yes?
Watkins: yes sir.
Butler: clarification on the traffic impact analysis... I was a little confused
in two places there. You mentioned a TIA for future phases. In one place it said
that if there was a future phase like a two or three then a new TIA would need to
be done. In some place else I was reading that there was a TIA already done for
all three phases. Which one... Can you help me understand where I am
confused?
Watkins: sure, we have asked the applicant to provide the trips that were
generated by all three development options. It seems how the applicant is
developing a site plan amendment now, and it's in process, we were comfortable
with the traffic analysis for development option one and the TIA. So in terms of
adequate ingress and egress to the site, and on Fort Evans road, the TIA that was
supplied with this application is sufficient and we wanted to put the applicant on
notice that much like any future development, that involved legislative approval,
it's two faced. One is the concept plan amendment, the second is the site plan that
goes through the Department of plan review. So in development option two and
three, the applicant would be required to update that traffic analysis based on the
proposed use at that time.
Butler: okay, so that's all included and you're comfortable with the status
of the TIA. Third question. I just want to make sure that this list of uses is for B -2
and all the ones that are crossed out are the ones that are proffered out. So, the
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question that the planning commission has is do we want to review this and see if
there's any other uses that we may want to proffer out of phases two and three?
Watkins: in the planning commission packet, the applicant actually
included three buffer restrictions. That was...
Mayor: telecommunications antenna, the indoor movie theater, and there
was a third one...
Watkins: the lumber and building. So what you have before you is
actually more uses that the applicant has included in their proffers in terms of use
restrictions. It's more than what the planning commission had seen.
Butler: okay, so this is post planning commission?
Watkins: yes sir.
Butler: okay, thanks Mike.
Butler: okay, so we could still look at that if we want to, but at least the
applicant has included everything the planning commission wanted, at least in
this respect. So my understanding is the other two potentially open issues in the
proffers is... One is the proffer amounts... They are not yet at the planning
commission recommendation. The second is a requirement that phase 1 be done
first.
Watkins: right, in addition to the amounts for development options one
and three, development option two which is the B -2 uses, there isn't an off -site
transportation contribution included in their proffers.
Michael Romeo: good evening Mdm. Mayor, members of the Council.
My name is Michael Romeo, I'm a land -use planner with the law firm of Walsh,
Colucci here in Leesburg. Just for the record, the affidavit for notice of posting
has been submitted. First of all, I would like to just introduce members of our
team that are here tonight. We have Doug Wolf, of Wolf furniture. We have
Michael Fiore of Fiore construction. Chuck McLachlan of Wolf furniture, as
well. Gary Gordon of OGP architects, Randy Minchew of Walsh Colucci as
well. Mark Baker from Bowman, Ben Rose from Bowman Consulting and Chris
Turnbill from Wells and Associates. So if you have any specific questions, we
have all the folks here to answer them for you. First of all, I'd like to say how
happy we are to be in front of the town Council. It has been five years, almost to
the day since we received our last rezoning approval. Quite honestly, we couldn't
be here without the professionalism and exceptional work that town staff has put
in during this whole process. It has been a real collaborative effort and we
appreciate that. First off, just to give you idea of the property, Mike did an
excellent job already in locating the property. It's located just north of Leesburg
bypass and has access at Fort Evans road for the entrance. As you can see around
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it there are a number of commercial uses existing on Fort Evans road as well as
across the bypass with the premium outlets. If you will recall, some of you were
on the town Council or planning commission five years ago when this rezoning
was originally approved. It centered around the northern portion of the property,
just about an acre and a half of R -6 zoned land, at the time. It was rezoned to B -2
so now the entire parcel is zoned B -2 with the previous concept plan approved for
69,000 ft. This is option one, as Mike alluded to. It's a 46,000 ft. furniture store.
This is, what the Wolfs have come back with after five years of trying to get the
69,000 ft. building approved, due to market conditions, and otherwise so this is
what they feel comfortable building on this site. It is essentially... Takes up a lot
of the design tennants from the previous design, namely the frontage on the Rt.
15 bypass where we are required to have 100 foot setback from the property line.
So we will try to get as close as possible and have a real second front of the
building on the bypass. Meanwhile having the parking out front. This option
obviously has less parking than a 69,000 ft. building would have so we have an
above ground storm water management pond as well. Option two is essentially
the same. This shows the maxed out parking, for example worst -case scenario if
there was a high trip generating use in the 46,000 ft. then the additional parking
has been provided here. As Mike alluded to, this will require a traffic impact
analysis, if it were to go to the site plan stage if for whatever reason this option
was brought forward. This is option three. This is essentially the current approval
for the site. There's really not much as changed from the previous design other
than underground parking. This is showing what is currently approved on the
site. All three options to meet town plan requirements in compliance with the
town plan. They would not have any adverse impacts on Fort Evans road or the
site intersection there. This is a good front view of the building as you come into
the site. You will be coming down the main entrance road bright towards the
front of the building. You have a nice perspective on what the building will look
like. This is the rear of the site, essentially the second front of the site or the
building fronting on the route 15 bypass. As Michael mentioned, these elevations
are all part of the landscape modification. This is what Wolf will be building,
hopefully beginning construction in a few months, if possible. Just a couple
examples of what the front entrance and the corner details would look like with
the stone. As far as the proffers are concerned, the frontage improvements to total
$190,995. This is somewhat of a unique situation for the Wolfs. Back in 2005
2006 timeframe there was frontage improvement project going along Fort Evans
road. This is somewhat unique in certain respects because a lot of other projects
do not necessarily have to go through this and are reimbursed for road network
that is being put in place at the time. So this $190,000 contribution is more so
than what is typically provided. At that time, they also provided $79,000 in total
off -site road contributions and that's what we are still providing that can be used
at the discretion of the town for what ever projects are needed nearby. Before a
certificate of occupancy is provided to the Wolfs over $240,000 will be provided
to the town as far as contributions are concerned. As Mike mentioned, we have
agreed to limit truck access outside and restricted from residential areas on
heritage way. The building design proffers that we have added essentially covers
this and options to allow the town to come back in and review anything that does
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not comply with the landscape modification. There is additional coverage for the
design in case there is an option that is utilized in the future. This is a whole list
of proffered out uses. When we came to the planning commission last Thursday
there were three uses on this list. Since then, the Wolfs have added a number of
uses after discussion amongst themselves. We have tried to meet the intent
including special exception uses on the list. Mike is giving you the list in the
attachment. Economic impact: it goes without saying, the site is currently
vacant. There is no building on it. The additional 46,000 ft. will add commercial
tax base to the site. A 30 person work force and the payroll of about $1 million,
hopefully we do increase to option three and can increase that at some point.
This is what we are projecting for the first option. Sales tax revenue will also be
significant. Options two and three will be very significant. With that, if Doug is
willing, I would like to have Doug Wolf come up and say a few words on behalf
of the process and to say thank you for having us back.
Doug Wolf: I didn't know I was going to speak, but I have a couple notes
anyhow. It's been five long years since we were here before and I know this
Council and the staff have worked to change some operating practices. I would
like to personally thank John Wells and Scott Parker along with the town staff,
Walsh Colucci, the Council members and the folks at Bowman because it is been
a very different process this time around. There was a high level of frustration for
us. If we are approved tonight... our family started in retailing in 1846. We got
into the furniture side of things in 1902. This will be our first store in Virginia and
we are pleased to have Leesburg be our first home in the state. I do want to let
you know your process, the efforts you have put through, have been effective and
a much more pleasant.... I told Scott if he needs a spokesman or a reference for
somebody I'd have a different story today than I may have had 16 months ago.
Thank you, I look forward to hopefully getting an approval and being a proud
member of the business community.
Mayor: Thank you so much. Any questions for Mr. Romeo?
Dunn: how long, again has this been B -2? I think you said part of it was
residential, how long ago was that?
Romeo: The southern portion of the site has been B2 first long as I can
remember. I'm not sure when it became that originally. In 2005 before the
original rezoning, it was B2 on the southern half, I think it was about 3.4 acres.
On the northern half it was R -6 at the time. Our rezoning essentially rezoned that
northern portion to B -2 which made the whole site B2 with the proffered concept
plan amendment.
Dunn: did you have some numbers, estimates as far as the tax base
impact?
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Romeo: yes, we did have... We anticipate about a 30 person work force
with $1 million payroll. I don't have exact numbers for the impact on commercial
taxes.
Dunn: in other areas where you either have current operations or you
establish operations, how did you see the impact of furniture shoppers impacting
other businesses around you?
Wolf: we are generally considered a pretty desirable retailer. We don't
generate lots and lots of traffic and impact. It's a larger ticket purchase. It's
typically done by middle to upper middle earning incomes, so that's a pretty
desirable demographic for most shoppers... They like being near our customers. I
really don't have any data whatsoever to support what cotenancy enjoys with us.
I know we are low parking yield, low traffic. Most neighborhoods really like that.
We don't create noise, trash... It's a pretty genteel kind of retail. I can't answer
your question directly.
Dunn: I was just wondering if you had any other areas where you may
have established your business and then other businesses grew around it. I'm
basically trying to find if you had any references to folks who come to your shop
and after they're done shopping they want to visit restaurants or go shopping
elsewhere. Any type of positive impact.
Wolf: there is definitely.. We like working near restaurants because we
are a destination shop. Very few people on the way home from work say you
know we need a bedroom. I would like them to think that way but they don't. It
is typically done with more than one person, usually initiated by a female and
looking for some advice from somebody else. Generally they don't shop and buy
one at a time. So we do well with restaurant establishments. Also, we have had
some people drop their kids off... I noticed we have a new store opened in
Mechanicsburg last June and there is a ballet school and some other things like
that were family can drop off their children and get some time to shop.
Dunn: there will not be, I think I saw that there was only going to be
truck access from Market.
Wolf: yes Sir.
Dunn: I think that's all the questions I have, thank you.
Reid: thank you very much and I'm glad that you have shown the
confidence in Leesburg to come back. I think that there isn't anybody up here that
is not sorry for what happened with the site plan process back then. But we are
glad that you have shown the commitment to come back to Leesburg. I really
appreciate it. Just a couple of concerns. First of all, I don't mean to complain, but
I'm usually used to seeing a rezoning package... This was just given to us last
night. It would have been nice to have had this in our packet over the weekend so
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I could have had time to look at it. I'm a little confused as to whether we can
approve three options for a different size of a furniture store and then leave it up
to you to decide which one you want to do. I'm not familiar with us ever doing
this before. Usually when someone comes in they have a definite idea, a specific
size. So now it's like you can go to the original store, two other types, then there's
all these other uses. Please explain.
Watkins: if you can recall what we've been doing with the Village at
Leesburg. The last amendment you saw was for the theater... But with that
application what the applicant did was much like Wolf furniture, give you
alternatives and have them reflect on the concept plan. You will notice Villages
had a restaurant park, a theater, a hotel, all in the same area shown on the
concept plan and demonstrated conformance with applicable zoning
requirements. So much like with this applicant and Wolf furniture we've done the
same thing. They initially want to occupy the property with a certain size
building for a certain use, and have the option to come forward later without
having to come back through the legislative application process. So it's similar to
what we have done at the village of Leesburg. Again they have the different
alternatives there and we have asked for the appropriate traffic impacts,
conformance with the goals and objectives of the town plan and conformance
with the zoning requirements.
list.
Reid: and we are now down to whatever has not been crossed out on this
Watkins: for permissible uses, correct.
Reid: well, there are some that are by right. For instance they can build
by right a bank without drive through facility?
plan.
Watkins: if it is in conformance with what is depicted on the concept
Reid: but if they wanted to a drive -in facility, do they need a special
exception?
Watkins: Correct.
Reid: but there still is a process for them to come back if they want to do
that. So they are still going to have to resubmit a site plan for the smaller store?
Watkins: to my knowledge, what they have been doing thus far is
basically picking up where the site plan left off and moving forward. So it's not a
brand -new site plan, they have been working with the Department of plan review
through the sketch plan process and we have been actively engaged with the
applicant to address concept plan issues and site plan issues to expedite their
moving forward with the construction phase.
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Reid: so if we approve this tonight, they can start building... Do they
have a building permit?
Watkins: no sir. The site plan still technically has to be approved. But
working with the Department of plan review through the sketch plan process...
Reid: so they never got the site plan approved the first time around? I
thought they were close.
Bill Ackman: originally, they were very close. They were down to
recording a plan and posting a bond. What they've come forward with is wanting
to build the smaller furniture store today. So we have taken that existing
application and let them modify that. We've done it through another submission
of the old site plan to keep it rolling. But we haven't taken any formal actions on
what they have provided us because we didn't want to influence what the Council
would do. But what we have been working with them through Bowman
consulting very closely. It's been a top priority for us. We have gone through and
made some informal comments. We have met with Bowman, we've gone
through it. They have given us a second submission of the new application on
Friday. We are in the process of making sure it addresses all the comments.
Reid: but if it's their intent to use the whole parking lot for the store first,
so they want to have the option to put in... Is there room to put a hotel or a
kennel?
Ackman: if they came back to do a use like a hotel, they would have
come back with a whole new site plan. They would have to...
Reid: is there room for that? So you're saying what they would do is build
the building for furniture store and then use it for something else.
Ackman: right.
Reid: Mr. Wolf, what ideas do you have be use the building for other
than a furniture store?
Wolf: I think the concept was if 20 years from now this is not a furniture
store, what can it be used for? We are not building a furniture store to be used as
a grocery store. We've been asked for these proffers to be in the future on other
uses.
Reid: we have done this before with proffers, that somebody could come
in and put in the store... I thought we had out ruled that the use only lasts for
that use and then you have to come back for a special exception?
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Ackman: the site plan would change so they would have to come back to
us in the future if they were doing a different option. Let's say they kept that same
shell, the same 46,000 or whatever the number was for phase 1, and they wanted
to convert that to a different type of retail. The existing site plan would not...
There wouldn't be enough parking for that. So they would have to come back to
us with a new site plan. Then with the new site plan they would have to give all
of the new details for the parking requirements...
Reid: but if they wanted to, like with the eating establishment without a
drive through, they could build... I use an example of a Dave and Busters in
Rockville and there's nothing we could do about it. That's by right.
Ackman: if it were an allowable use and they could park it. Yes.
Reid: if they can park it, so that's the key. That there's no traffic impact
analysis required?
Ackman: that would be required at the site plan phase.
Reid: oh so it would be required for any of these whether it's by right or
not. Okay, so that's where we have the possibility to say you may have to add a
lane, are you may have to this improvement or that improvement. That's what
I'm concerned about. Because a furniture store does not necessarily generate a lot
of cars.
Ackman: if that use changes, then it requires a site plan change. We
would look at all of those types of things. Would look at the entrance, turn lanes,
parking requirements, landscaping, modification that Mike spoke to earlier that
changes any part of the side of the building. They would have to come back in
and get a new modification from the land development official, who is the
director of planning and zoning.
Reid: okay so they would have to go back through that process and the
site plan process.
Ackman: we feel, as staff, that we have enough safeguards in there to
ensure that down the road if the use does change there are enough safeguards in
place to protect the region.
Reid: but didn't they also... In the proffers the first time around there was
nothing paid at all, nothing done whatsoever. So this is it. This is the first time
were going to get any kind of transportation proffers because they never really did
it the first time. How were the proffers the first time, what was the difference in
the value?
Ackman: I don't recall. Mike do you?
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Watkins: essentially what will happen is any proffer amounts are
collected at the time of the building and zoning permit are issued. With the
changes the state legislature made, we can't collect those fees until occupancy of
the building. So they will go through the site plan process, they will construct the
building and when they submit for occupancy of the building, we will collect the
off -site transportation contributions.
here?
Reid: and is this monument sign for Wolf and the other businesses in
Romeo: it's a separate application.
Reid: so you're submitting a separate application. You're not going to
build a monument sign and then rent out space?
Romeo: we are permitted by ordinance to have two signs on the property
for each business. Those will be the signs on the building. There's a separate
process for the extra monument signs and that's something the zoning
administrator will come back in to the town Council for.
Reid: so we heard last night that that was something we thought they
were going to do for the sake of the other businesses on the street.
Boucher: if I may, we had a meeting with Mr. Wolf. I think what he said
at the meeting was that an additional sign might not be necessary for them
because the visibility from Rt. 7 is pretty good.
Reid: for them. But I thought we were told last night... Didn't we discuss
this last night, John?
Boucher: I think what I said was there is a separate issue for the
veterinary clinic and I would say, Mr. Wolf said he was looking to put such a
sign on his property. The sign is somewhat expensive and what we were looking
at approaching some other businesses and see if they would be interested.
Reid: and then it would have to go to the BAR? Is that a comprehensive
sign package? No, it's not a BAR approved requirement? No? thank you.
Wright: can you go back your presentation with the contributions slide?
So, the frontage improvements, if I remember correctly back five years ago... We
were doing the frontage improvements and there was a pro rata if the sidewalks...
Whatever was being done there was a pro rata they could pay into to have the
frontage improvements satisfied and that's that top number?
Romeo: that's correct, that included the road, the sewer, the curb, it might
have included the sidewalk in front of the property.
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Wright: so that's kind of the road improvements, then they're going to do
the sidewalk as part of the actual site plan construction. Then there's the off -site
transportation contribution thats variable based on size of the building? Okay,
that contribution is that based off the whole parcel being B -2 not just the original
R -6 portion of the parcel that was rezoned?
Romeo: well the $79,000 figure is actually based on the previous formula
that was provided and that was something that the department of public works
came up with... That town staff came up with. But the revised amount that town
staff has in the packet is equal to a CPI increase over the past five years so it has
increased that number somewhat; however, we believe the $190,000 already
provided, essentially offsets any sort of increase any future type of use that may
go into the B -2... Provides the overall contribution that would more than mitigate
any impacts that we would have out there.
Wright: okay. A quick question to the staff. This parcel was already B -2,
which part of it was before, if it was already B -2 and somebody would simply
come in today and as a by right use for furniture store, would we be asking for an
off-site transportation contribution or simply reviewing the site plan?
Watkins: we would be following what was established in the prior
rezoning, which would be the applicant's number they provided today.
Wright: if the prior rezoning was just a by right B -2, unleaded, then we
wouldn't be asking for contribution, correct?
Watkins: right.
Wright: so what gets us to this, so to kind of follow on why Ken was
saying why are we having to do this, not only when they rezoned, they rezoned
to the entire parcel as B -2, they also put a concept plan on. If they just did in
unleaded B -2 and said were going to build a furniture store. I believe if they were
going to build the furniture store and not put any other conditions on there, we
would be doing any this. Since we were more prescriptive, which is good because
we have those assurances that they have to come back and say hey we're building
a smaller furniture store and in the course of doing that, they're allowing
themselves the flexibility of building a larger furniture store and also allow for
future market changes that would allow them flexibility of other uses on the
property. Is that basically what we're doing?
Watkins: that's fair.
Wright: I don't have any other questions. I very much appreciate you all
coming back out. Mr. Wolf, glad to see you again and very much appreciated
your comments this evening.
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Martinez: Thank you for being patient with us. I know you have
indoor, but I don't see outdoor. I do have a question though, I think the last time
we sat and talked, we discussed the signage and elevation off the bypass. I
assume you guys fixed that up. We're talking about how there was a distance
issue with the elevation of.... The roof was higher than the building.... I assume
you guys took care of that?
Romeo: we actually hung a replica, which turned into a kite shortly
thereafter... But in order to see it off the bypass because the highway signs were
there, we wanted to make sure you could even see the building was there. We do
believe we have adequate visibility.
Martinez: I know that was a concern of mine when we were talking about
the site plan. Okay, well that's it. I'm glad to see you guys back and take care.
Hammler: Mr. Wolf, I just also wanted to say thank you and please also
send our regards to your father. It was a real pleasure to meet with you when
Council was able to meet with you months ago when you were making a decision
to come back to Leesburg. I know I can speak for all of us, that we feel very
fortunate because it's very rare when one gets a second chance to make a great
first impression. That really speaks to the tremendous efforts of so many people
based on, quite frankly, the catalyst which was your decision to leave. So we owe
you a great debt of gratitude for a significant new business process that we now
enjoy. I think it's real game changer for us, quite frankly. A real momentum
changer much the same way you see in a baseball game. This is a special new day
for Leesburg in terms of economic development and potential. We certainly
strongly believe it's going to be a great market for you as well. I very much
appreciate everything.
Wolf: the hard work you all put through was great.
Butler: I just think two clarifications. One is that, maybe whoever has the
best answer can answer this. I think if I summarize the proffer issues, Wolf is
offering an additional $79,000 in proffers and staff is suggesting that $157,000 or
those two numbers added up is more appropriate. The $190,000 is paid.
Watkins: the difference in the two numbers, applicants or staffs. The
applicant is following the max established with ZM 2005, whereas we have
calculated the amounts based on appendix B numbers as of 2011. The other
consideration is the fact that both options one and three are covered with the off
site transportation contribution, option two is not. The difference in the amounts
are based on 2005 numbers versus 2011 numbers.
Butler: I understand. But is the difference in the amounts about $78,000.
Do I have that number correct, plus or minus? The second one, while he's
looking that up is Wolf furniture has every intention of doing option one first.
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Butler: okay, so there were two amounts.
May 24, 2011
Right? But based on everything we are going to approve right now what I'm
hearing is that option one is not guaranteed... that option one will be first.
Romeo: we can safely say that option one, I have no problem saying on
the record, will be what's built out there. We have submitted a sketch plan which
was a precondition to the site plan. We anticipate submitting all the site plan
documents if we are fortunate enough to gain approval of the application tonight.
There was a request for a proffer from the planning commission. We felt that it
was somewhat unnecessary given the fact that we have already processed the
sketch plan and site plan to the point where it is today. We fully intend to
complete that process in the near future.
Mayor: Dave, if I could backup was Mr. Romeo was saying. In
discussions with staff, it became very clear that Wolf has put a lot of time and
money into going forward with the furniture store. I think that staff fully believes
it would not be putting that level of effort in if they did not actually intend to
build the furniture store. I had wondered the same thing.
Butler: I'm just kicking around the idea. I believe everybody. I certainly
do. But we may want to kick around, toss around the condition that says we will
do option one first. That may be appropriate. Not that I expect them to change
but we have seen often times on Council that things can change in a hurry.
Watkins: after calculating it, the 79,225 that the applicant is using is for
ultimate option three. Whereas staffs number is 94,000, so the difference is
roughly $16,000.
Watkins: right, what the applicant hasn't shown you is there is an amount
set aside for option one...
Butler: the 62,444?
Watkins: no, there are two sets of numbers. One is the 190,995, that's for
Fort Evans road. That's a separate number. The 79,000 is the number the
applicant is using for ultimate phase 3 whereas the staffs number is the 94,000.
Butler: okay, but what about the 62,444? That staff is requesting in
paragraph 2.
Watkins: again, the 62,000 is based on appendix B of the town plan.
There's is 52,004 option one.
Boucher: Council member Butler, says there are options, each figure goes
with an option. So instead of adding the two, the 60 some and 90 together as one,
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actually those figures will apply based on which option they choose. So the
94,000 is for the larger store and the 64,000 is for the smaller option.
Butler: okay, so the difference is between 10 and 16,000. All right thanks.
It would be awesome in the future if that was spelled out that way exactly. Here's
the difference we are talking about.
Mayor: thanks a lot. Mr. Romeo, thank you very much. I'm delighted
Wolf is pursuing this. It's a great name and it's a great name to have in Leesburg.
We appreciate your professionalism and your close work with our staff and your
willingness to listen carefully to the recommendations of the planning
commission to proffer out a number of uses based on those recommendations. I
am very pleased to have you here tonight. We do not have anybody signed up
from the public. Is there anyone who would like to speak to this application and
this public hearing who did not get a chance to sign up? All right, I'm not seeing
anybody.
The public hearing was closed at 8:28 p.m.
On a motion by Vice Mayor Wright, seconded by Council Member Dunn,
the following was proposed:
ORDINANCE 2011 -0 -011
Approving Concept Plan and Proffer Amendment TLZM 2011 -0001 Wolf
Furniture, Amending TLZM 2005 -0004 Leesburg Sport and Health, to
Allow Three Development Options
Vice Mayor Wright noted the blank in Section 1 should reflect the current
date of May 24, 2011.
Wright: I very much appreciate seeing Wolf come back. I'm trying to
remember if I was here or still on the planning commission last time or I saw you
both places. I'm grateful that you guys have made the decision to come back to
Leesburg. We were certainly sad that you all were not able to build originally and
I think we took that as a great lesson learned. It was very gratifying to hear your
comments tonight that hopefully some of those lessons have sunk in and we are
conducting business in a better manner. Overall, speaking to the merits of the
application itself, this is a good application. It is allowing the applicant flexibility
to react to the market conditions. I am satisfied with the proffers as written. The
cash contributions reflect the original 2005 amounts and based on some of the
extenuating circumstances with this particular application and the other
investments they have made along the frontage, I feel that those meet the intent
of the town plan.
Dunn: again, I appreciate you all being a patient partner with Leesburg.
Very patient. I've got a number of things here I think by showing unanimously a
vote of approval for this plan is sending a great message out to the community,
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the business community, that Leesburg truly is a place for business. It is a
business friendly community and I hope that we could get a unanimous vote on
this to show just that. The reasons for that, just to restate, minimum impact to
local residents, proffers for traffic have been taken care of, little impact of auto or
truck traffic in the area, a positive impact in the business community, more jobs,
more customers to other area businesses. This will increase the business tax base.
More restaurant visitors potentially, more water users for the town, or use for the
sewer utility plant which these types of improvements are exactly why we spent
all the money to build the utility plant. This is why we did it. To supply the needs
for new businesses coming into Leesburg. This also then reduces the burden of
taxes on our citizens both regular taxes and water rates and it is also supplying a
great need to the community in building this business, if you didn't know that our
citizens are looking for a place to buy furniture without having to drive to other
towns and spend their money there and thereby those towns getting their tax
dollars. So building a business space allows us to reduce the overall tax base to
the property owners in Leesburg and that's important. So we need a lot more
business and if you have friends out there in the business world, bring them into
Leesburg. I fully support this and thank you for your patience.
Martinez: the only comment I have left to say is where were you nine
months ago when my wife dragged me all over Tysons corner, Manassas, and
points other unknown looking for furniture when I could've used the excuse that
Wolf furniture is here, let's keep the money in Leesburg. Glad you're back.
Hammler: I do think there is one potential downside, now that I've
thought about it. I don't know where so many members seeking seats on Council
will be having their kickoff campaign speeches because I know there's at least one
on that empty barren lot which really symbolized what needed to change in
Leesburg. So from all of us up here, it really reflects a tremendous new day and
opportunity to be very proud, in particular our town manager, our town staff, and
everybody who has been involved directly in this application and everyone in the
organization. So welcome to Leesburg, Mr. Wolf, and your entire organization.
Butler: thank you Mdm. Mayor. I'm glad you are coming into town. We
could use a furniture store. So I'm pleased that it looks like all the conditions are
met. I just hope that your first step isn't into put in a funeral home or a parking
structure... Although maybe that would be a good thing. At any case, I'm glad
you're here. This seems to be well done and I'm looking forward to the building.
Mayor: I'm going to be voting yes. I'm thrilled to have you here. Kevin
you get the last word.
Wright: very good. I did also, in your comments, Mr. Wolf very much
enjoy how you kind of tiptoed around the shopping dynamic of usually there are
two... Usually there is the lady who is kind of picking out the things and I
thought he was then going to say there's the guy with the credit card. But you
tiptoed around that so I thought that was very gracefully done. I remember my
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last shopping experience and there were two women, one of which is not an adult
yet. They picked out what all they wanted and then when it was time for the bill
to be presented I didn't know where they went. I will be grateful that those dollars
will be invested in this town in the future. I'm very glad to welcome them back.
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Martinez, Reid, Wright, and Mayor
Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7 -0
b. T LOA 2011 -0001 Amending Chapter 6 (Density /Intensity and
Dimensional Standards) of the Leesburg Zoning Ordinance Building
Heights in the B -1
The public hearing was opened at 8:36 p.m.
Wade Burkholder: good evening. I'm here to talk about the proposed text
amendments that would amend the B -1 community downtown business district
to permit buildings to be built up to 65 feet in height in portions of the B -1 zoning
district, subject to specific conditions. The existing zoning ordinance regulations
state in section 6 that residential buildings may be built up to a height of 35 feet,
and nonresidential buildings may be built up to a height of 45 feet and mixed -use
buildings, which are residential uses over nonresidential uses, maybe also build
up to a 45 feet height limit. The existing regulations also talk about the B -1 and
its relationship to the H1 old and historic district. The B -1 zoning district lies
entirely within the HI overlay district. Therefore, all new and exterior building
construction is subject to the Hl historic design guidelines as administered by the
board of architectural review. Now the old and historic district design guidelines
are incorporated into the zoning ordinance by reference and therefore, it's an
important point I wanted to make that provisions giving the BAR the authority to
consider the height process as part of its decision making process is important to
remember because they do have another layer of review over these buildings once
any zoning ordinance is amended. The BAR could still look at height, scale and
massing and determine the relationship to surrounding properties and whatnot
when they are looking at materials and things like that. It is important to
remember the BAR is still part of the process. That is not changing with this
proposed height increase. One of the documents that we looked at one we were
studying this proposed text amendment is the town plan. The town plan does
state that the character of the town is of paramount importance to Leesburg. The
original old and historic district is the basis of Leesburg's identity. The original
old and historic district is cherished and its character and value should be further
protected as downtown is expanded with a major redevelopment and infill within
the bypass. The town plan gets a little more specific by pointing to certain sector
objectives such as the central sector objective five that states "take advantage of
redevelopment opportunities outside of residential areas in such locations as the
old and historic district Central sector objective 5a states that "encourage a fine
grained variety of retail, service, office and residential uses Objective 5b states
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that "architecture, streetscape and public spaces, pedestrian linkages, and height
of buildings reflecting the main street character is important in the downtown
area and building should be of a human scale that are pedestrian friendly
Objective 5c encourages floor area ratios above 1.0 reflecting the development
character restricts of the old and historic district. When the staff team was
looking at this proposal, we came up with these four points as our guiding points
as we develop this language. We had a goal of increasing economic development
opportunities in downtown Leesburg. We wanted to protect and maintain the
character of the historic district while permitting additional building
opportunities. The third is we wanted to avoid any incentive or encouragement to
tear down smaller existing structures which are classed as historical contributing
structures and we wanted to develop a step back building approach to protect the
pedestrian scale and streetscape of the B -1 district. Now taking all that into
account, this is the area highlighted in black line where we are proposing the text
amendment language take effect. I'm going to draw line right in this area here
and mentioned that this part of the district was amended in 2008 to have
buildings potentially up to 65 feet in height based on the setback from the town
branch. So that area already could see the potential for these buildings at that
height limit. The area that we are proposing ties in nicely to that area, makes a
continuous path of the downtown area where we could see the increased height
take place. I want to explain a few of the symbols you see on this map. The green
polygons or rectangles, those delineate the contributing historic structures in this
area. I don't think this is all of them in the downtown, this is just adjacent to and
within this area. There are many more that aren't colored on this map.
Reid: can I stop you for a minute? If I recall with Waterford, I do believe
the South Street building was going to be 65 feet. I think the 65 feet area is just
east of King St. along the branch, town branch. I don't believe it's along South as
well, is it? You haven't marked as if it is.
Burkholder: this is the area...
Reid: the whole area? Including along South and Wirt streets?
Burkholder: the area of the polygons, or shapes in orange are buildings
that are currently at or exceed 45 feet in height today. So you can see the County
government building, you can see the Leesburg central building, you can see this
building that we're in, this portion of the building is 50 feet tall. So where you see
the orange shadings that indicates 45 feet or higher today. And then, which is
very difficult to see and I apologize for this, you can see to dashed lines sort of in
the center of these blocks. That delineates the setback from the street right -of-
way, the green line shows a 45 foot setback from the street right -of -way. The red
line shows a setback of 65 feet from the property right -of -way line. I'll explain
that here in a second and why those become important. The area within the black
heavy line is an area 22.1 acres in size. Approximately 6.2 acres could contain
buildings up to 65 feet once the conditions and setbacks are applied. Now that
inner dotted line. Increased height potentially permits up to two additional floors
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of residential, office, retail, restaurant, and mixed -use opportunities in the
downtown area. That is an increase of 66% over the buildable floor area achieved
under the current 45 foot height.
Butler: Could you explain how increasing the height by less than 50%
yields a 66% increase in the buildable area?
Burkholder: sure, I'll skip ahead a few slides. The 45 feet assumes a three
story building. Each floor would be 33 If you added two more floors or five
stories, which would be indicative of 65 foot height, that's approximately 66
Butler: that's because you assume the first floor is going to be taller for
retail on such?
Burkholder: Right. The proposed ordinance language changes section
6.6.3, the density and intensity and dimensional standards of the B -1 zoning
district and adds a footnote number 7 to E, which is the maximum building
height standard. It states that the maximum height would be increased up to 65
feet in the following specified areas shown on the map graphic number one,
which is the map we just looked at, due to its low mean elevation below sea level
and low topographical relationship to the rest of the B -1 district. If an applicant
can demonstrate all of the following criteria have been met: (a) The property
must front on the designated areas of Market, Loudoun, Harrison, South, or
Church Streets not otherwise covered by number six above, which is the prior
amendment in 2008; (b) the height elevations adjacent to the street shall not
exceed 45 feet for a depth of at least 45 feet back from the right -of -way line except
on Church Street between market and Loudoun; (c) beyond 45 feet, a 1:1 height
to setback ratio may be permitted up to 65 feet and maximum height subject to
BAR approval in accordance with the old and historic district design guidelines;
(d) height shall be measured based on the average mean elevation above sea level
prior to site disturbance and or issuance of a grading permit; and (e) all other
applicable B -1 setbacks shall be met. So here is the map graphic number one
again. Also on this map, you see some topographic lines, red and blue. If you
follow these lines the area that we are proposing for the increase in height follows
along those lines that are lowest in topographical elevation. The red line being at
325 feet elevation and the blue line being at 330 foot elevation. So this is the
natural low point in the downtown. Again, we propose this area to increase the
height to coordinate directly with the lowest portions of town to provide some
protection to the view shed and the streetscape in the B -1 district. Again, we
mention that the buildings need to have a 45 foot height correlating to a 45 foot
setback. Anything over 45 foot in height would have a 1:1 setback ratio. So if
you're building comes in at 50 feet at this point, you need to be 50 foot setback
from the right -of -way line of the street. You're going to get a stair step building
effect. One of the points I wanted to make with the slide, is you're going to see a
natural trend towards the taller parts of the building in the center of the block.
Again, in an effort to protect the streetscape and pedestrian nature of the
downtown area. That's another important point to remember as we go forward.
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The setback provision is not proposed along the side and rear yards of the
property because those are interior to the site. These areas are interior to the
block and will be screened by other buildings higher in elevation. The visual
impact will be minimized from surrounding streets in higher portions of town by
buildings fronting directly onto the street. This is an elevation shot here that
demonstrates this depth back provision. You have your street right -of -way here,
your building can be 45 foot tall a distance of 45 feet back from the street right -of-
way line. Then to go up to 50 feet, to go up to 60 feet to go up to 65 feet this is
going to correspond to the setback from the Street. So that step back provision we
are proposing. There's one other part of the text amendment that we are
proposing and that deals with rooftop HVAC and mechanical equipment.
Currently that does not count towards the maximum height of the building. We
are not proposing that change. We are still exempting that from the overall height
of the building. We are saying is that the equipment shall be placed towards the
center of the roof, not covering more than 25% of the floor area of the roof level
and that it have a 45° angle drawn from the parapet wall to provide a setback, as
you can see here, so it sort of centers the mechanical equipment towards the
center of the roof. Again, protecting the streetscape and the surrounding
properties from looking at mechanical equipment. I want to point out that this
mechanical equipment may be 10 to 15 feet tall. We wanted to provide this 45°
angle so this is not added height right along the building facade. This slide is, I
need to make the point that just because we have a height limit of 65 feet, it does
not mean that the building will be 65 feet. Because we exempt mechanical
equipment, because we exempt rooftop HVAC, elevator towers so what this new
language does is it proposes the building height be calculated from the average
existing grade versus averaging height based on the proposed finish grade. That
eliminates a five or 10 foot base that you might then start your building
construction on top of. Were trying to get away from an artificially elevated
building by calculating the existing height from the existing grade instead of
average proposed finish grade. Again parapets, mechanical and screening
language, we are proposing minor tweaks that. We are still exempting that from
building heights and the BAR, as it has today still has purview over individual
projects as they come to the town. Here, I just wanted to point out some of the
existing heights. This graphic was provided by Landmark just showing you the
peak of the county government building is at 79 feet. Here the building we are in
tonight, the peak is 46 feet. Market station highest point is 63 feet in height. You
can see here what the height elevations are and I'll point out some of these as we
get to the pictures in a minute. Again, looking at how we measure height. When
you have a gable roof, you measure that height to the midpoint of the gable. You
don't go to the peak of the gable. So you see, for example, this is the town hall
building. We would measure the height to that level right there, which comes in
at about 33 versus a peak of 52. The Lightfoot building, to the peak is 50, to the
midpoint of the gable is about 32. So we measure height to the midsection, the
peak level. The PhotoWorks building is a flat roof building, so we would go to
the top of the roof, which is right at 42 45. Here are a few more examples,
Morningside to the peak is 49 but to the midpoint is 36. This is where we
measure the height two, 36. This is the County Parks and building here to the
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peak is 45, to the midpoint is about 34. This is just illustrating some heights for
reference. The effect of the proposed amendments, buildings located in the
designated areas of the old and historic district can be built to 65 feet in height
subject to the proposed conditions. Where the building fronts on one of the
proposed public streets, and must be step back with a lower building of two or
three stories adjacent to the street to be more consistent with the scale of the
existing buildings. The lower height must occupy a minimum of the first 45 feet
from any public right -of -way line. I also note that the zoning ordinance requires
buildings within the B -1 district to be setback from the property line a minimum
of 1 foot at a maximum of 20 feet. So your 45 foot building can start either at 1
foot or setback today up to 20 feet. Other operable setbacks must be respected but
the front step back provision is only applicable to the front yard. The
amendments do not alter the authority of the BAR and the amendments do not
guarantee that the height of 65 feet be obtained in any particular case. The BAR
would weigh in at where it is most appropriate for taller buildings and look at the
height, scale, massing and materials of such buildings. Staff did work closely
with both the board of architectural review and the economic development
commission. We met with them both two meetings each. Comments from both
boards were very favorable. Both boards did fully support the staff language as
you see it tonight. On to the pictures. These first few pictures are provided to us
by Landmark. Landmark conducted a balloon study test on the side of the
Loudoun Times Mirror property. The balloons, you can see circled in red, are in
these locations at a height of 65 feet. The bottom slide, you can see with the black
lines, sort of get a visual of what a building might look like at that height. Again,
this is taken from Loudoun Street. You see in the top picture, the balloons in
these locations and, it's a little bit of a ghost building, but it's back here. This is
what the 65 foot height limit would look like along Loudoun Street. Again, here
we are looking south, southeast from King St. You can see, this may be the
hardest one to see, but this pink shading back here is according to the balloons,
which are very difficult to see, at a height of 65 foot. That's what 65 foot would
look like from this location. The town also conducted a height test with the
assistance of the Leesburg fire department to indicate this ability of the maximum
height from various points around town. I caveat these pictures to say that these
are our best attempt. There may be some setbacks are things that aren't hundred
percent accurate. But looking from the top deck of the County garage, you can
see that the fire truck is here on the street. There is a 65 foot marker. We scaled to
the best of our ability to scale the building back to 65 feet from the right -of -way
line there. So to give you a potential visible at another location within this
district, that's what this does. Again, from Harrison street looking West down
South St. again, the fire truck is on the street, so it's not incorporating the step
back provision language, but at any location along here you might see up
building approach 65 feet on height. Again here, this is South King, this building
here is 222 S. King looking back east you can see the same thing here. On the top
deck of the County garage 65 foot height here taking into account a 65 foot
setback here, you can see what a building would look like. Again, Harrison street
at the W &OD trail. I mentioned earlier that the highest point in market station is
63, that's at this location right here. From Royal Street looking east at the new
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building here on church street. Again, I caveat this because it doesn't take into
effect the setback, but it's to show the height of 65 feet. Looking north east from
Royal St., looking over Puccio's restaurant, which is center screen down here,
again this is the dentist at the corner of Church and Loudoun. Here is a better
overall picture. You can see the 63 feet of market station, the 65 foot flag over
there. The building here to the midpoint is 45 foot tall. So this building here
meets current regulations for height. Staff does recommend that if the zoning
ordinance is amended in the B -1 community downtown business district to
permit buildings to be built to a height of 65 feet, then approval should be subject
to these specific conditions as read in a prior slide.
Dunn: you showed a slide, a number of slides back, where you referred to
it as a step. Could you go 45 feet high, and then 65 feet in and then build straight
up to 65 feet, or are you going to have to build it as you were saying a true step
where you go 45, say 55, then 65. Can it go 45 straight to 65?
Burkholder: as long as you are 65 feet back from the right -of -way line.
Then you could go however you could get that to work.
Dunn: traditionally, what is the additional height of the utilities on the
roof, 10 feet? What is the current zoning height outside of the Hl? Is
Burkholder: it's the same, commercial is 45, residential is 35.
Dunn: do we have any buildings outside that are 65 or over?
Burkholder: you have buildings in planned unit developments like PRN
districts or PRC districts where they set heights by proffer so there are number of
buildings at the village at Leesburg that are higher than the 45 feet. I can
remember with the original Harrison Park application, they were proffering to go
up to 70 feet, I believe with certain buildings. So when you have those planned
developments, you can set, in essence your own height limit by proffer.
Dunn: how about the commercial buildings over there on Fort Evans
road by the water towers. Those seem like they are over 45 feet. Do you know?
Do you know the ones I'm referring to?
Burkholder: I don't know off the top of my head.
Dunn: I don't know if you know or anyone on staff knows this, what was
the height of the old opera house that was downtown?
Boucher: I don't know, I'm not sure anybody does. But it would be
somewhere pushing 45 feet.
Dunn: I think it would be over that myself, because I think it was four
stories, I remember from the pictures.
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Boucher: it had an oversize first story for commercial.
Dunn: what about the old Leesburg hotel, any idea on that one? If we
could find out that would be great.
Boucher: that might have also exceeded the 45 feet as we compute height
now because it was four stories.
Dunn: obviously we've got the historic downtown and any reasons for
limiting this would be based on historical reasons, yet if we indeed in town had
historical buildings that were above that, we kind of defeat our argument for we
must remain below this... Like you had that Phantom building there, we have a
Phantom line that we cannot go past. Yet, we seem to go past it in many cases
not just in downtown but throughout town. What do you know... So looks like
from your pictures, you were taking pictures with the fire truck throughout town.
I would've liked to see more where this building was at. You did have a couple
angles where it was at. I would've liked to see what it would look like from the
intersection of King and Market. If you could've seen that building from ground
level. Oh I'm sorry King and Loudoun, for example. Just to see how much higher
that would've been from over there. I think that's all the questions I have right
now. Thank you.
Reid: thank you very much, Wade, for the presentation. First, as a matter
of disclosure I want to note that I have received for both my town Council and
supervisor campaigns contributions from Mr. White or one of his companies. I've
been advised by the town attorney that I don't have to recuse myself from action
on this. The BAR vote, what was it, was it a vote?
Burkholder: it was a 4 -0 -3 vote. There were three absent but all in
attendance supported it.
Reid: why are we using a text amendment approach for this? Did we do
that for Waterford? It is specific to the site, so were not raising the height limit
throughout the B -1?
Burkholder: Correct.
Reid: okay, so it's specific to this location. And that was a text
amendment, it wasn't part of a rezoning our special exception.
Burkholder: It's this area, not just the one site.
Reid: is there a residential impact? Would you say this has more or less
than the Waterford, because there some residences close to the Waterford
development. There was some concern, I know during that debate, but here...
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Burkholder: there are a handful of residences near this area, obviously. I
think with the provision of the step back, you won't have such a harsh negative
wall right on the street so will be buffered were the negative impact of the height
will be mitigated somewhat by that setback from the residential properties. We
did try to take into account the location of historic properties that were currently
residential. This proposed area does affect a few of them.
Reid: Not as much as over at Waterford because Waterford backs up to
Monroe Street. Basically across from Monroe you have single family houses.
Burkholder: I don't know that this area will cause any greater impact than
the other area would. Certainly throughout this process I have not heard any
negative impact or negative comments or disagreement from what we are
proposing by any resident in this area.
Reid: what about trees? In order to build the height, are any trees in peril
more because of the increase in height... There are some trees back there on the
Times Mirror lot. I'm going to assume they are probably going to get torn down
anyway whether it's 2 feet or 65 feet, two -story or five story.
Burkholder: there are some trees in this area. It's not heavily treed, but yes
there would be on individual sites as they come through the review process, there
will be some effect to that. With any new proposal we have the regulations, we
have the tree canopy regulations so we would still be looking at having tree
coverage, tree canopy coverage preservation during any project that would be
proposed. So you might lose some mature trees in the construction but you're
going to see they are still meeting those requirements.
Reid: that's regardless of whether 65 feet or is it? Or is 65 feet going to
imperil those trees more?
Burkholder: they would still need to meet the current canopy coverage
requirements.
Reid: thanks again for the report, I would've appreciated it if we had
some of those pictures and diagrams in the handout. Thank you.
Bob White: as you know, my name is Bob White. I wish to speak in
support of the amendment. The managing member of Courthouse Square LLC,
which owns the 1.69 acres where the Loudoun Times Mirror is presently located.
The preliminary development plans with conceived, while adhering to the spirit
and intent of the amendment offer up a case study of why this height amendment
should be enacted. Our 1.69 acre site presently contains about 20,000 ft. of
warehouse and office space, all well below the existing 45 foot limitation at an
FAR of about .27. Without the height amendment, we would likely renovate the
existing structure and dislodge the parking lot attendants who currently lease as
many as 50 parking spaces from us. We would surface park the entire lot to meet
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our own parking requirements, whereupon our annual contribution of real estate
taxes to both county and town would increase from the existing $52,000 plus or
minus to something on the order of $75,000. In doing so, the status quo would be
preserved, the site and building would perceive a much needed facelift yet little
economic development would actually occur. In contrast, has proposed our
project would likely contribute about $450,000 in annual real estate taxes and
BPOL revenues to both the County and the town. The project will create space
for as many as 450 jobs, 318 parking spaces, 5000 ft. of outdoor plaza and
seating, 9000 ft. of historic renovation, and 17,000 ft. of restaurant and retail
uses to complement 96,000 ft. of office space. In effect, we will convert a parking
lot and production facility into a vibrant, office and retail center at an FAR of
about 1.43. In addition, the added building height and the floor area provided
enables consideration of green building initiatives including environmental
amenities, green roofs, use of recycled building materials, geothermal energy and
other desirable environmental enhancements. I appreciate the desire among all of
you on the Council to remain true to your constituents and am respectful of your
concerns over height and mass however, in the amendment before you, you are
not relinquishing the stewardship of the downtown to developers and their
architects. The additional setbacks that are contained in this ordinance prevents
the placement of a 65 foot structure on the front property line on major streets
while requiring use of the existing lower building height as a buffer. I would
suggest when the additional setbacks are provided, the result is a less imposing
mass and scale than that which we create when we place 45 feet of height on the
front property line with a pitched roof peak at about 52 feet. The very same
burden historically placed on the developer to comply with the H1 design
standards that existed before the passage of this amendment, will in fact exist
after it. Rest assured, there will be no land rush associated with this new
opportunity. No great onslaught of construction cranes and dump trucks up and
down Harrison Street for the economic feasibility that we have so clearly
analyzed remains razor thin at these densities even with this amendment. In the
foreseeable future within the height district, only those sites that are low of
elevation and largely vacant or without material value in their existing buildings,
therefore without heritage buildings altogether, are likely to even consider the
higher development option. For all these reasons, we hope you agree this
amendment deserves your unanimous support and I hope you will send the
message that Leesburg is in fact open for business, for jobs and for those mixed
use projects of variable height that can be successfully assimilated into the
downtown.
Terry Titus: I'm Terry Titus, I live at 805 Wage Dr. and I came down here
for a wholly different reason and I'm surprised this issue had gotten this far
without my comment. As all of you know, I'm a lifelong resident of Leesburg. I
know Leesburg like it is now and the downtown like it is now and the old historic
district like it is now. I'm very concerned that putting buildings 20 feet or 30 feet
higher, and their massing, is going to change the downtown. I think it's a
mistake. It's done only for economic purposes. Mr. Wolf never mentioned, never
mentioned raising raising the height by two stories. He mentioned the economic
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factors. That is a factor, but think about the tradition that this is been here for 250
years without a 65 foot building. The 65 foot buildings that are being cited in the
report are cupolas, air- conditioning, mechanical equipment mostly. I'm appalled
as a resident of Leesburg who is been here as long as I have to see this change
because I can remember when there were two cars, two parking spaces on both
sides of King Street. Nothing has changed. Nothing needs to change in my
opinion to raise those levels by two floors. Nothing. Where is the parking going
to be? You know I'm very familiar with that project, very familiar with it. You
have a dearth of parking in this town and if you don't recognize it, everybody else
does. You know what I'm talking about. You can't find a parking space even with
this structure next door. So where these developers going to find it when they go
up 65 feet and have a 1.0 FAR? It's going to have to be a parking structure built.
I'm not very excited. The County did an admirable job and what they did and
what the town did. I'm at a loss of words, to be frank about it. I ask you, please
look at this thing from Leesburg history, Leesburg tradition. It's meaningful. It
doesn't need to be used as an economic tool by a developer to get some money
out of a need to get some revenue. It's just not necessary. You had a nice
presentation tonight, Mr. Wolf, for the furniture store and I think it was a
positive response the first time. That's the kind of development that you're going
to get big revenue from. Thank you. Another thing I have to say is after last
night's session, I'm going to call each one of you to see if I could set up a time to
meet with you to discuss briefly the subject.
The public hearing was closed at 9:20 p.m.
On a motion by Council Member Dunn, seconded by Vice Mayor Wright,
the following was proposed:
ORDINANCE 2011 0 012
Amending Articles 6 (Nonresidential Districts) and Article 10
(Density /Intensity +Dimensional Standards) of the Zoning Ordinance of
the Town of Leesburg to Establish Reasonable Regulations Pertaining to
the Increased Building Height in Certain Locations in the B -1 Community
(Downtown) Business Zoning District
Dunn: thank you, I would like to hear from staff if they could find the
heights of those historical buildings I mentioned. I think that this is a good use to
a piece of property that is pretty much hidden by many other buildings. It will be
siding the parking garage for the County. It will be along the same massing of the
County building that's there. Not to say that I'm thrilled about the massing of the
County building or much of what goes on in it, but that's another story. This isn't
a 65 foot increase, or bringing the height to 65 feet. We've already seen that there
is businesses or buildings that have this height are near to it, not just in the
historic district but throughout town. This is 65 feet. It's not 65 stories. It's not
going to turn Leesburg into the Reston town Center, as the manner some have
tried to state. This is actually going to only bring this building in some cases
barely above the height of other buildings that are surrounding it. I think that staff
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has done a good job at projecting the way the building is going to look to the
community as they drive by so they don't feel like they've got this brick wall
surrounding the town of Leesburg. Again, mentioning while those who know me
know my interest in history goes way back. It's what I studied in college. I try to
bring history into a little bit of everything I do. So the history of Leesburg is very
important to me. Also, the history of Leesburg does involve economic growth.
We do have more than two cars on King Street and that's a result of economic
growth. Many of us are here living today because of economic growth. So,
history of this country is based on economic growth. It's part of our society. As
mentioned, this and the Wolf property, basically can bring in tax dollars that are
equivalent to reducing the tax rate by one full percentage rate. I think another
way we can relieve the burden to the citizens of having to carry on most of our
taxes coming from residences where they can actually start shifting to where
they're coming towards businesses. I think this is a needed and well deserved
improvement to a piece of property that is just a hole in the center of town.
Wright: one of the things, and Tom had alluded to it, it's been one of
those interesting quirks. If we were to rebuild some of the historic assets within
the town, specifically the opera house or the Leesburg Inn, our ordinance
wouldn't let us. Actually this ordinance doesn't even address these particular
ones. I did learn something interesting by being a friend of the Thomas Balch
library on Facebook. The opera house, amongst its uses was actually town hall. I
did not know that before. We spent a lot less building that than this building or
even its predecessor that was on the other side of the Tally Ho. So if you're not a
friend of the Balch on Facebook, it might be worth the trip on over there to see
some of the information that comes out. Speaking to this ordinance, I'm
comfortable with it for a couple of reasons. One it's narrowly defined and its
narrowly defined in an area based on the typography and where it sits and how it
relates to what is around it. So it can minimize the visual impact as well as the
actual impact. It respects the character of the town, highlighting preservation of
the contributing resources. It preserves the other protection elements that we have
in place. The historic protections and the BAR review, which my good friends on
the BAR like to tell me, yes the ordinance says you can go this tall but if your
scale and massing and how you're treating the building is not correct, you're not
going that tall. I am satisfied that there are adequate provisions in place that
would allow for appropriate and respectful redevelopment within the historic
district without adversely impacting it.
Reid: I just wanted to say that I agree with what Kevin and Tom said.
The additional height is not necessarily for additional economic development
purposes. I think we have to think back to about four or five years ago when then
Mike Banzhaf representing the Times Mirror directly, came to the board of
architectural review and the town Council and they had us come in for briefings
and they showed us buildings that literally towered over the small buildings on
King and market Street. It literally scared the bejeezus out of everybody. It was
not exactly the best public relations move on the Times Mirror's part showing
these kind of elevations. What's happening here, the applicant working with staff
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have come up with a way using the step back proposals to limit this impacts. We
learned earlier that the impact on residences which is the one thing we always
have to be cognizant of in Leesburg, is going to be less than it is on the Waterford
development which was of great concern to most councilmembers. It was the first
time we had done a text amendment to raise the height to that limit.
Notwithstanding that I have certainly talked to the applicant and I've talked to
my appointee on the BAR to really make sure that this building has materials that
are going to blend in with the brick or colonial look of that part of town. We
really don't want to see a building coming back that's going to look like the new
courts complex with those modern style Windows or the government center. I
want to see something that's going to have a colonial look to it, latticed windows,
using good brick or good stone, the type that we see on several buildings in town,
for Loudoun Street. That's something that the BAR has in its power to do. I hope
that staff will also take that into consideration. This is the closest that would
come to developing the site and the site, I believe needs to be developed because
a lot of storefront retail space in downtown Leesburg is small and it's not
conducive for us to attract the type of retailer that we need to make the
downtown viable. It's going to have offices, I wish it was going to have some
residences but the market is not good for that. So with that in mind, I have
comforts from staff and the BAR that what is going to be built here is going to be
dealing with the massing and that issue in a very good way and certainly much
better than what was done with the County government center or the courts
complex or some of the other buildings that were built over the past few years.
Hammler: building on what Kevin said, I'm the liaison to the Balch and I
had the pleasure of going on the historic walking tour of Leesburg last Saturday,
finally, which was led by Jim Morgan. I really appreciate that the staff report
talked, initially about the importance of our old and historic district, which is the
basis of our identity. What I was most struck by on that walking tour would Jim
Morgan was talking about the fact that the first house that he showed us was
where his great- grandmother lived, who was a slave in her generation, and when
he went to school he was completely segregated from the white students. He
talked about getting up when he was 12 Years old to go light the stoves before
dawn, walked home to Loudoun Street, walked back again. So, the thing that
struck me is yes we have an incredibly historic, wonderful downtown, so we
needed to evolve socially and were much better town today because we have
evolved socially. In a similar way, I think it's really important that we develop
and integrate uses moving forward and we essentially evolved in terms of our
developmental practices. I see here that we have the ability to have greater
integration of uses by allowing aesthetically appropriate increased density here
that will essentially preserve our historic character, yet really prepare us for a very
prosperous future. I will be supporting this.
Butler: thank you Mdm. Mayor. First I would like to know when do we
start to sing for Council meetings if were trying to integrate Opera in the Council
Chambers? Yes, I hear a rumor that the chair of the public art commission also
has an interest in performing arts, so maybe we could hold some kind of a show
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here. In any case, there are a few reasons why I really don't like this application
or this ordinance change. One is, the heights of the building aren't 65 feet. Staff
has mentioned, they really could be 80 feet and 80 feet start to get into the realm
of Reston town Center regardless of how much councilmember Dunn prefers that
there's not a comparison there. The comparison is quite apt. An 80 foot building
is not appropriate for most of Leesburg. I also prefer that ordinance changes like
this are not driven by a single application. Councilmember Reid is talking about
what he would like to see in the Loudoun Times Mirror application, but that's
not the issue before us. The issue before us is whether we raise heights in a
section of the B -1 district. I firmly believe that passing this will eventually lead to
higher heights all around in Leesburg because this area will become "65 feet
buildings" that are really 80 feet tall and then it will be in next steps to move this
area further around into the town. However, I will very reluctantly support this
application for two reasons. I'm sorry, text amendment. One is because of the
setbacks from the buildings... We had some discussions on this a few years ago
and I was in favor of greater heights if there were setbacks because the view from
the Street will be minimized as long as there is the setbacks. I actually prefer the
45 feet in front of a 65 foot building. I wouldn't want a lot with just a 65 foot
building stuck in the middle. That would probably look even worse. The other
reason is that the area of the text amendment will apply to is, as staff showed,
lower in height than the area around it. So, there's a 10 to 15 foot advantage that
it has. A building that's 10 to 15 feet higher than the ones around it will actually
in fact be the same height. I'm not sure I completely buy that argument but
sufficiently I will swallow hard and support this.
Mayor: thanks Dave, I so very much like and respect Landmark and Mr.
White. If I were to go with my personal preferences as to great people, I would
want to vote for it. I think Dave Butler and Terry Titus made the strongest points
of the evening. It doesn't just stop at 65 feet, it can go to 80 feet as we heard from
the staff report because of what goes on the roof and how we measure heights of
buildings. As I've said to Mr. White more than once, and we met again this
morning to talk about this, my vision of Leesburg and what makes it a desirable
community is that it's a lower scale, old- fashioned historic downtown. This does
raise the image of Reston town Center as both Mr. Dunn and councilmember
Butler have alluded to. Reston town Center is great in Reston, but I'm afraid
we're getting in here now in Leesburg. I voted against the Waterford application
several years ago. There were only two of us that voted against it, Dave and I did
because we felt the additional height was the beginning of a fundamental change
in Leesburg. To my mind, not a change for the better when it comes to trying to
retain that small scale, human feel that is the charm of this downtown. Now I'm
seeing another application coming in this one, not an application but another text
amendment, that would significantly expand the area in which 65 feet would be
allowed as a height. And 65 potentially means 80 feet with the various
mechanical second be put on top of the building. I didn't even like the idea of
going to 80 feet in the Crescent district outside of the downtown. I respect Dave's
thinking that this is palatable to him because there's a step back and he's
absolutely right, I think that step back and help lessen the impact that this will be
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a huge building in the middle of the historic district. It will be impossible to miss
no matter where you're standing. It obliterates the light, open feeling of the
historic district. You won't be able to miss it. I didn't support the building of the
County Government Center because I felt it was too massive. Even this building
which we're in now, which is relatively small compared to the other two projects,
is far more massive than what it replaced. I don't think that's moving the town in
good direction. People love, families love, small downtown Leesburg. They did
not move here because they want large buildings that are 65 to 80 feet tall. They
didn't move here because they want to live in Reston. They want to live in
Leesburg. Although it saddens me, because I really like Mr. White quite a lot and
I think he's a great member of our business community, I just have to side with
Terry Titus and say I'm going to have to vote no. So Mr. White, I'm so sorry and
you've put so much effort into trying to convince me. I wish you all the best and
you're going to get a win tonight. I just can't support it. I appreciate your efforts.
We go back to Tom for closing comments.
Dunn: In 1860, the County of Loudoun was one of the most prosperous
counties in the state. It was noted for some of the highest corn production in the
state of Virginia. One of the reasons Leesburg is here and has prospered over the
years is because what we use for a bike trail now, was a railroad that made
Leesburg a hub for the economy of this whole Northern Virginia region, just as it
is today. And we march forward. However, it is incumbent upon us to preserve
our history and do what we can to continue to advance the community and yet
still preserve the past. I think that we are doing this and I will rely upon our BAR
and our staff to ensure that this building does not have an adverse impact on the
historical nature of Leesburg. Currently I don't see a lot of families touring the
parking lot that exists where this building will go. They may be there, I just didn't
see them. I think trying to compare this again, I think I've heard this before, to
any height advancement in Leesburg to the town center of Reston is just using
scare tactics, chasing votes, and creating your own facts. Well you can't do that.
Keep in mind too that the 45 feet that you claim is the height now in that you
want to say 60 feet return and 80 feet, keep in mind is 45 foot buildings are 60
feet. So you have to take your comments and rearrange them because if you want
to add on to it the utilities that are on top of them, those utilities are there now so
those 45 foot buildings or some of these 50 foot buildings are 60 feet buildings we
have now in town are actually 60 feet, 70 feet, 80 feet. So it already exists. Again,
I think that the efforts that have been put in relying on the developer being a
steward of the town, I want to make sure they put in a good property that is
conducive to the town of Leesburg. It would be ridiculous for them to do
otherwise. But if they were to consider it, I rely on town staff and the BAR to
look out for the best interests of the community.
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Martinez, Reid, and Wright
Nay: Mayor Umstattd
Vote: 6 -1
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c. AT &T License Agreement
The public hearing was opened at 9:41 p.m.
11. ORDINANCES
a. None
The public hearing was closed at 9:44 p.m.
12. RESOLUTIONS AND MOTIONS
a. H -2 Resolution
May 24, 2011
Tom Mason: good evening Mdm. Mayor and Council. The item tonight
is a public hearing for public comment on the renewal of the license agreement
with AT &T. The renewal is for a license they obtained a little over five years ago.
When they obtained the license and right -of -way permits to install conduit system
from approximately Dry Mill road coming in from the West, along Dry Mill to
Catoctin Circle, around Catoctin Circle to Harrison, up Harrison to the little
AT &T point of presence building next to the old Perry engineering yard,
approximately a mile and half. The term of the license was five years and
expired. They have come in to renew it and are not planning to put in new
conduit. Some of the conduits are empty and they are going to run some new
fiber lines through those. From that standpoint, the basics are pretty much the
same. Two things that are different in this renewed license than the old license
since is they are paying a fee that the Council approved a few months ago to
cover our costs for processing the review of the license and the application, which
is $5000. The second part is that we've negotiated an annual payment from
AT &T for the use of our right -of -way kind of equivalent to them obtaining an
easement. I think that amount is somewhere around $4000 a year for the five year
term each year. The drawing what you have here, you can see the heavy line that
comes in along Dry Mill up Catoctin, around Catoctin and up Harrison. I'll be
happy to answer any questions.
There were no members of the public wishing to speak to this public
hearing.
On a motion by Council Member Reid, seconded by Council Member
Butler, the following was proposed:
RESOLUTION 2011 -066
Authorizing the Town Manager to Execute a Renewal of License
Agreement Between the Town of Leesburg and AT &T Corporation
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Reid, Wright, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 6 -0 -1 (Martinez absent)
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On a motion by Council Member Dunn, seconded by Council Member
Reid, the following was proposed:
RESOLUTION
Initiating Amendments to the Leesburg Zoning Ordinance to Change the
Review Authority for Certificate of Appropriateness Applications in the
H -2 Corridor from the Board of Architectural Review to the Planning
Commission
Dunn: well, we had a pretty good discussion on this the other night so I
won't belabor the issue. I think that there is a number of things just as we got
through talking about preserving our town and the historic nature of it, I think it's
evident by what is now the H2, we just haven't done that. The state ordinance
does say that a body may review this, not that we even have to have a body
review, we don't even have to have a BAR for that matter. That is an option for
the town. I think that what this does is it will allow for a streamlining of the
process for what it really is now, which is a planning decision. It is not a historic
preservation decision. I would love to and I believe the planning commission in
talking with the chairman of the planning commission, and you may know better
too, Mdm. Mayor because you are there, that they are actually taking those steps
to move this forward to have form -based code features be in those corridor areas
which I think will go a lot longer to really reaching the goals that we want to have
for our corridor areas. I did want to give you just a couple of examples that since
we have even considered form -based code, a couple of properties that we missed
by not having that, that we could have had we instituted some light forms of
form -based code, the McDonald's, I forget the name of the bank but it's next to
the McDonald's, Chase bank, now Capital bank, possibly Sandy Springs bank. I
don't know if it had anything to do with it, it may are may not have had, and just
tonight Wolf furniture. We could have form -based code features in the village at
Leesburg. Not that any of these properties are bad, but that we get to have a say
in what that is. I think there's more potentials here and I would really ask my
colleagues other than just perpetuating what has been a government function, big
government, keeping some commissioners or board members happy, I would ask
you as you discuss this tonight to say well why keep it in there. I would like to
know some historic benefits to the H2 other than just in theory.
Reid: well, in looking at the resolution, I don't think the second one is
mutually exclusive. I really don't. To get the design guidelines and going or form
based lite, what I would like to know is whether councilmember Dunn would
agree to a friendly amendment to... In the whereas at the bottom to be reassigned
to the planning commission for H2 cases involving special exceptions and
rezonings, so that way what I'm envisioning... I just wanted to explain to my
colleagues that I wanted to see if we could narrow the scope of this to have the
BAR handle the design only in the cases of special exception are rezoning in the
H2 corridor. Therefore the BAR could review a case where an existing building
has to come in with the new design like an awning or something like that. You
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don't except that? Okay. That's okay. Well I would like to offer that as an
amendment.
Mayor: Ken has made his proposal, a motion to amend. Is there a
second? Alright, it dies for lack of a second. Ken are you still supporting the
main motion as it's second?
Reid: yes, it's just initiating the process. It's not really actually adopting an
amendment.
Wright: thank you Mdm. Mayor. Jeanette, if I recall the enabling
legislation for the H2 has some specific parameters, so if the end goal is to have
an overlay district that is reviewed by the planning commission, was it not your
opinion that we would then have to create a new district that would be the H2, it
would have to be something else?
Irby: the H2 was enabled under a particular statute. It was a particular
corridor that was attached to a historic district. So, if you want to do form -based
code lite or whatever it is you want to do, it can't be H2. It has to be a different
zoning district. I don't know how much plainer I can say that. It just needs to be
something different.
Wright: with that in mind, it seems... Actually I don't understand why
the first option is the one that went and I'm not convinced the second option is
the way to go. It seems that what we are continuing to tiptoe around is we don't
like the H2. We don't think it has worked. But we don't really want to get rid of
it. As long as the H2 is there and is providing those architectural controls, then a
body that is created for architectural review is probably the one that should be
reviewing it. I assure you, I'm not keeping any members of the BAR happy in
saying that because quite frankly, they would love for us to come up with
something better but have basically said until you come up with something better,
we have to live with what we've got. I don't think there's anybody on the BAR
that's wed to the H2, but they do feel that it's important that we have something
in place. I think we would be better served if we want to have a conversation
about the H2, let's talk about the H2, not who's reviewing it. If we want to get rid
of the H2, then the motion should be to get rid of the H2. Ken's proposal was
interesting, but I think we get into the same problem from streamlining on an SE
are rezoning where they have to go to the planning commission anyway,
streamlining that to not have a redundant architectural review by the BAR but
again, we run into the same enabling legislation challenges. This is not how we
solve what we have continued to discuss about the H2. I will not be supporting
this.
Martinez: I kind of feel the same way I do with Kevin. I'm not quite
sure... I know the BAR is not raising his hands in protest. I'm just concerned
about passing this on to the planning commission. I know the planning
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commission has kind of said that they are okay with it too. I do have my
reservations. I probably will be voting for it but I'm still a little concerned about it.
Hammler: I have always appreciated Tom's initiative regarding form
based code lite so to the extent that I certainly agree, as well appreciate, Jeanette's
point that we can't continue to have the H2 if what we really want to do is come
up with something better. I would support a work session and a future resolution
that would actually disband the H2 and initiate the appropriate zoning ordinance
changes to be able to define a district that would allow us to pursue form -based
code lite.
Butler: I think I find myself in substantial agreement with councilmember
Hammier. I see no advantage to this resolution whatsoever. I don't understand
the problem that it solves. It's not changing the process, it's not reducing
bureaucracy, it's not helping in any way. It's just changing the review board to
folks that deal with land -use from folks that deal with architectural review. I
really don't see the point. It's increasing no efficiency whatsoever. There are a lot
of other options that we could deal with, one is to disband the H2, which we
talked about that, form -based code lite, simply changing the H2 guidelines to
more reflect what we want to see out of the H2. Those are all, in my opinion
substantially better alternatives than this one. I think our attention should be
focused on the second resolution and putting constraints around what were going
to look at from that standpoint. The first resolution, I don't see the point. I won't
be supporting it.
Mayor: interesting points made. I guess we will go to Tom for closing
comments before we go to a vote.
Reid: we had a committee look over the H2 two years ago. They made
some recommendations and we didn't really act on them except we did hand over
the signs for administrative review. That was the only thing we accomplished, we
never dealt with the boundaries, we never dealt with the district. At least by
initiating these amendments, you put it in the hands of the planning commission
and staff to come back with something. They may come back with something
very different. That's what this is, we're just initiating amendments.
Hammier: Mdm. Mayor, point of order. That's not the resolution that
we're addressing.
Reid: We are addressing the first resolution that says the Planning
Commission....
Butler: Right, and you are commenting on the second resolution.
Reid: It says the Planning Commission shall hold a public hearing to
consider these amendments, so they have to come and deal with the details.
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Wright: But it's referring to section I, changes in review authority.
Reid: That's exactly right. They may come back and say we don't want
to change the review authority. They may say we want to come up with a
different district, but we have to get the ball rolling. We can't just sit here and
talk and talk and talk and everyone has a different idea. The second resolution
I'm going to support as well, because its not mutually exclusive. It is coming up
with design guidelines and it is coming up with a possible alternative. So, really
folks, I don't see why we can't just work with this resolution and maybe
wordsmith it a little bit. I made a proposal to try to limit this.... One stop
shopping so therefore an applicant that has a special exception or rezoning can at
least bring the design to the Planning Commission and the Planning Commission
is just as qualified to look at this as the BAR as long as we have guidelines or you
have a code like Form Based Lite. We ought to at least initiate something. My
personal feeling is to narrow the boundaries. I have always wanted to narrow the
corridor. I know that, Kevin, but it was shot down...
Martinez: Point of order, Madam Mayor. We should be talking about
the resolution, not about what we want.
Butler: He has already had a chance to speak on this, so...
Mayor: All right. Tom does get the last word, though.
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Hammler: I would like to make a motion to stop debate and call the
question.
Dunn: I was going to comment for a lot of other people to comment, but
if you just want me to put it in my wrap up, I'll do that. I, too, look at these
resolutions as really letting the Planning Commission know that we would like
them to review this. I think they are really basically about the same. As Ken
said, they can come back with some other options that we would need to
consider. I think the direction is there. By the way, the Planning Commission is
already doing this. They have already started it. I think too, Ken was being kind.
This resolution first came to us back in September or October of 2008. We then
sent a committee to go out and work on it and they came back in June of 2009.
So, nothing has happened since June of 2009. I think its two more years have
gone by. They gave proposals at that time, we had form based code worked on.
Nothing happened there. The opportunity to add form based lite into this area
was not picked up. I think that this is just causing more delay. Also, we keep
using the term that the BAR has architectural review of this area. It is material
view. I don't consider... while that is a portion of architecture, the BAR cannot
determine any design of a building in the H2, they can only determine that it is
metal, brick, glass, wood. That's really the basis of it. I think that we have got a
failed policy. We can continue to delay it. We can say no, I don't think that we
need to take this up. We can continue to lay this on the table. By looking down
the street, we have a failed policy that I don't think any one can say that we just
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got through talking about especially those who were against the building in
downtown, that the downtown is not being translated into our historic corridor.
As Jeanette has pointed out, if it's just a matter of removing the word historic or
H2, then almost we have to do, for example Katie, is call it FB1, or form -based
one corridor or whatever we want to call it. Renaming it is another process. It's
going to take a first step. I think that's what this is. We've had well over 2 1/2
years to sit on this. To tell the planning commission yes go ahead and move
forward. You are the planning body of the town. This is what we'd like you to
consider and planning, please come back to us with something. That's all this is
doing. Finally taking a step after over 2 1 /2 years of having it sit on the table
dead.
The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: Dunn, Reid, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: Butler, Hammler, Martinez, and Wright
Vote: 3 -4
On a motion by Council Member Reid, seconded by Council Member
Dunn, the following was proposed:
RESOLUTION 2011 -067
Directing the Planning Commission and Staff to Review and Recommend
Options for Zoning Ordinance Regulation and /or Design Guideline
Revisions for the Portion of the H -2 Corridor in the East Market Street
Area with the Goal of Improving Architectural Design, Site Planning and
Streetscape Planning
Reid: I think it's pretty straightforward. We are asking them to look at
design guidelines which I thought they had been doing. I wish that we could
narrow the boundaries but I think the Council doesn't want to do that. There is
resistance here to deregulate so I'm just going to leave it as is. If somebody wants
to take the leadership role to have them look at additional items such as limiting
the review, looking at the boundaries, I would love to hear it and I would love to
support it because I feel that there are several properties that have been snared
into BAR review that don't need to be there.
Dunn: again, this is just initiating the process. The planning commission,
by the way is already working on this process. They are already for it and they
are going to continue to work on it. This is just Council showing some leadership
saying we encourage you to continue working on it. We are not afraid of change.
We are not afraid of regulations. We want to see a better looking town. We're
not just regulation mongers. Those who voted against this are showing
themselves to be just that.
Mayor: Well, that's pretty in your face. Okay, Kevin, anything?
Wright: (Inaudible).
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Dunn: Show your true colors.
Wright: Seriously?
Martinez: as well, I just think it's funny how when you don't get your way
you start pointing fingers and making accusations. You know you can't do that.
I'm not going to sit here and deny you that right to whine complain about people
who don't agree with you. I personally am just going to go and see what happens.
Hammler: just for the record, without naming names, you had a swing
vote on your last except for the way you did determine with your tone and
comments the two members of Council at the end, you lost your swing vote. I
won't mention anything in terms of specifics. I had fallen into that once where I
inadvertently decided well despite the fact that I actually agree with the person, I
am so offended by how he has communicated, I can't support it anymore. There
are very real ramifications for communication styles. I don't know how best to try
to determine a friendly amendment. Jeanette, given your earlier
recommendations from a legal perspective. I think what we are trying to get at is
the recognition that we actually don't want to try to fix something that we think
is broken rather initiate something new and develop the guidelines for form based
code lite. Do you feel there is a way from a friendly perspective to amend this
resolution to achieve that?
Irby: I think the resolution says that. It is pretty broad with respect to...
Hammler: Do you feel we could initiate a new district and determine how
to initiate a form based code lite set of parameters?
Irby: Susan Berry Hill can correct me if she thinks it says something
different, but I think it says options for the Zoning Ordinance, regulation and /or
design guideline revisions for the H -2 corridor in the East Market Street area. I
guess the only thing that I would add, we could add "the corridor presently
known as H2 because it may change to something else.
Hammler: okay, if I may add that as a friendly amendment, presently
called H2, which may be called something else.
Mayor: Ken, do you and, except that?
Reid: we are not getting rid of the guidelines?
Berry Hill: This just suggesting that the planning commission look at
study guidelines and the form based code district to see which is the best
application in the existing H2.
Reid: That's fine.
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14. NEW BUSINESS
Mayor: Tom, do you accept it?
Dunn: I will say, with a smile for Katie's purposes, yes, I accept it.
Hammler: Thank you for brightening the room, sir.
Butler: I'll bite my tongue and not comment.
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Butler, Dunn, Hammler, Martinez, Reid, Wright and Mayor
Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7 -0
13. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
15. COUNCIL COMMENTS
Council Member Dunn: One's beliefs should not be compromised by another
person's delivery. If you hold those strongly, you should go forward with them and not
have it based on the tone of the... you should rely on the message, not kill the
messenger. I just wanted to remind folks of Memorial Day coming up and to remind
everyone that we do have a National cemetery here in our town, that you do not have to
drive to Arlington to give honor. There is a National cemetery here at Balls Bluff and it
is a good learning experience, especially for our younger kids, taking them up there,
laying flowers, decorating with flags, those who have given the last full measure. I know
that we tend to, in this building, take things very seriously in what we do, but what we
do here is of such small importance when considering what those people who have given
their lives for our country. I did want to read a very quick letter from the Executive
Mansion in Washington: Dear Madam, I have seen in the files of the War Department,
a statement of the adjunct general of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons
who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be my
words which should attempt to beguile you from your grief of loss so overwhelming.
But, I cannot refrain from tendering you the consolation that may be found in the thanks
of the republic they died to save. I pray that our heavenly father may assuage the
anguish of your bereavement and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and
lost and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the
altar of freedom. Very Sincerely and Respectfully, A. Lincoln.
Council Member Reid: Memorial Day this year is going to take on very special
meaning given the heroic and courageous action by the Navy seals and our CIA in
capturing and killing Osama Bin Laden. It is really heartwarming to see the
Washington Post doing a positive story about the training that these folks do, the seals.
So, I am looking forward to the ceremony this Monday. I am very glad that public
works has the Hope Parkway light up. I am looking forward to that light as I am sure
Council Member Butler is. Getting that thing started as soon as possible is a necessary
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improvement that is long overdue. In terms of the H -2 vote, I would be more than
happy to work with the majority that turned it down to deal with this resolution and a
neat way to bring it up at some future point in terms of doing something with the
corridor itself. I hope that the planning commission does not come back with a form
based code per se, because I don't think that form based code is necessarily going to
work where we adopted it. I think having design elements of Form based code is a good
idea for the H2 corridor. But again, we have boundaries that are way too wide. We
have areas that don't face the street that have frequently been snared into the process.
Madam Mayor, you know very well with the day care center and so forth. I regret...I
think that it would have been a lot better if this resolution had been in the packet over
the weekend. I am a little concerned that this plus some other material was not available
and I hope that does not happen again. Finally, Lyme Disease. I attended the Lyme
walk in Lansdowne and I met folks who are in really, really serious, serious ...having
serious problems with this disease. Met a young man named Chris who is 15 years old
and is in a wheelchair because of this. Another lady who's three sons all have it. People
have been crippled with this disease. I hope that we can do our part by maybe reviving
or reconsidering spraying or some kind of action at least in our public parks or public
facilities. The governor has appointed Monty Shall to the Commission and they said the
commission is going to be recommending that towns and counties spray public areas.
There are several areas in Loudoun that I am sure are far worse. I think the town needs
to take a look at this. I look forward to us getting that memo to see whether it is feasible
and practical for us to do it at least here in Leesburg.
Vice Mayor Wright: I thought we were suffering from lost time there. The H2
item that we initiated was fairly broadly defined to give the Planning Commission the
latitude to address the whole breadth of the H2 corridor whether it is feasible and how
best to move forward with it. So, hopefully Mr. Reid's comments were already
addressed in our second vote. Relay for Life is coming up the weekend after next, the 4t
and 5` Overall, Relay is at $120,000, which is where it will be by the morning. There
are 60 teams and 860 participants. The town's team is up to eight participants
registered. We are about $1255 raised by the team and obviously looking to add to that.
To that endeavor, Pie in the Face is coming up the day before Relay, First Friday, June
3 at 5:30. Bidding is now open, so contact Debi Parry with your bids. To remind us
going down the dais, Town Manager John Wells is up, Ken Reid is up, I am up, Marty
is up, Katie is up, Dave is up and also Technology and Communications commission
chair, JB Anderson is also up. I am sure amongst that group, there is one or more of
them that are worthy of your investment to go to benefit the National Cancer Society
and you get the pleasure of decorating us with a pie. Also looking forward to our
Memorial Day ceremonies coming up this weekend and did very much appreciate the
opening of Northwest Federal Credit Union, this past weekend. Was there for the
ribbon cutting and have been impressed with their entry into our community. They
have invested in several of our community events as sponsors and participants leading
up to their opening and that seems to be kind of a key part of their business is being
community stewards. So, I think they will be a great addition to our community. They
had lots of tents, events out there, kind of family focused. The other thing they did, and
I think it was in combination with Debi Parry and our economic development team, is
they had specific shirts made for the Leesburg branch opening that had various images
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of the Town of Leesburg on the back as well as the actual bank sign. They seem to be
very excited to be in Leesburg. Thank you.
Council Member Martinez: not happy with all these thunderstorms and all my
games getting cancelled. Not happy with it at all. The other thing is Memorial Day. I
am attending the event we are having on the County Courthouse lawn at 10 a.m.
Continue on with the Relay for Life. I have sent all the emails out. I just need all of you
to bid and, like I said, if you want to give $25 for another pie, I'll take it. I just want to
raise money to fight to get a cure for cancer. For me, that's the most important part. I'll
take whatever abuse I can get just to raise money.
Council Member Hammler: I'm proud to say I already have the great support of
Don Devine who wants to raise a lot of money to throw a pie in my face. So, it's going
to be a lot of fun. It's official. I am looking forward to that. Hopefully, I have a little
support for upping that ante. All in good fun and in good spirit because the great thing
is we really realize the community is coming together with a great compromise on the
downtown parking. I certainly agree with Council Member Dunn and appreciate his
points about Memorial Day. I guess the only key point I would disagree with is that
what we do up here is of small importance. I actually think it is of enormous
importance because it is in fact our democracy in the small corner that we represent is in
fact what our soldiers have given their lives for. I just wanted to mention that we were
busy last night and we missed an important milestone historically, which was the 150t
anniversary of the local vote to ratify Virginia's succession from the Union, May 23rd,
150 years ago. A prominent Leesburg lawyer, John Janney, was in fact the one that
served as president of the Virginia Succession Convention of 1861 and we missed a great
event on the Courthouse lawn. It is fascinating. He lived on Cornwall Street. There is
so much history in and around and we will be celebrating so much of it in the coming
days. Balch and the participants of the Balch Commission are so deeply involved in so
many of the reenactments at the Balls Bluff cemetery and so forth. A lot of great stuff
coming up on that. Speaking of a historic structure and the poetic significance of
moving the business awards from the Birkby House, which was where we built carriages
in the day, we have since moved our business awards to the airport, so there was some
nice symmetry to going from the historic downtown to really looking at the future of
Leesburg. I thought the Business Awards was just an amazing evening and really builds
on so much great news tonight. Wolf Furniture, everything is happening with building a
significant infill future for the downtown and protecting our historic assets and so forth.
I have just been so pleased with so many of the great things that are going on. Just
walking into that hangar and seeing the sheer number of businesses that were
represented and the energy that was there. Madam Mayor did a wonderful job and
thank you for that and the Economic Development Commission and so many others
who were involved. Marantha did a wonderful job. I know that Tara stayed late that
evening and Debi Parry, of course. It came up earlier about the W &OD, but I feel when
we talk about the historic district being one of the most important decisions that any
council ever made, which was to protect it, it did occur to me when I went on the
walking tour and we were walking past the W &OD, I'm curious why no one thought of
keeping light rail going from DC down that W &OD. Wouldn't that have been a good
idea? I'm curious to think back why we did not do that. A couple of final things. I
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received a very kind offer from Virginia Dominion power in the mail this week which is
to contribute to a green resolution and to provide additional money, $15 more per
month, which is a great idea so they can increase production of renewable energy and
improve the environment and help our country move towards energy independence. I
love the idea so much but why do they not think about creating a similar fund to be able
to underground utilities? And finally I just wanted to echo the sentiments in Kevin's
invitation this evening that those impacted by the horrid fake tornadoes in the Midwest
in Joplin Missouri and in Oklahoma that they are in my prayers and I hope the weather
settles down. I look forward to seeing everyone on Memorial Day.
Council Member Butler: Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, if Dominion power
would underground utilities, I would give them a $50 donation. In any case, I echo
Katie's comments about the business appreciation awards. It was wonderful. It turns out
the entire economic development commission was there all of them. I thought that was
excellent. Council member Reid, the light and hope Parkway and Sycolin and is
scheduled to go live on June 20. I would say not a day too soon because with the
opening of Bolan Park the traffic has increased even in more. What used to be a suicide
left to get out of Stratford is now like an insanely stupid suicide left so I'm looking
forward to that life as are virtually all of my neighbors. The bank, I'm glad the bank is
there now. I actually have a bank I can walk to. My son thinks it's a cool idea too, but he
did ask me why we are getting yet another bank. It's a small square looking structure that
has money, right?
At any rate, I did have the opportunity to go to the good Shepherd alliance and they
doubled the size of their store and prosperity center, which is a wonderful place to go
and get some clothes and other types of goods. For councilmember Hammier, there's a
little history on the W &OD trail. The reason they took out the railroad tracks was it
was a money loser for a number of years and they finally gave up on it. But you never
know 50 years in the future what you might find. For my 20th wedding anniversary, I
went to a dinner theater outside of Hillsboro and it was excellent and maybe that's
something that some folks who own some restaurants around here might be able to do at
some point. It was a great activity. I saw Joe May there and had a nice little chat. Last,
but not least just before I got here we had a groundhog running around our property. We
think it lived in our neighbors house and their dog flushed it out. That my dogs were
running around. Finally it went into the bushes in the front yard and we call up animal
control and Whitney Dodge the animal control officer came out and she got a little
scratched up in the bushes but managed to get the little gizmo in there and get the
groundhog and took it away. When the groundhog is in the cage, he's very cute looking
the least hissing at the dogs he's less cute. They can look very fierce. Anyway, one of my
dogs got scratched a little bit but seems fine. So they're going to go back and check the
groundhog for rabies only for the groundhog it's not a very pleasant thing. A little bit of
excitement around the neighborhood.
16. MAYOR'S COMMENTS
Two disclosures. I met today both with Bob White of Landmark and also with
Doug Wolf of Wolf furniture. I'm really pleased that Wolf furniture is going to be here. I
want to thank Kevin for handling the ribbon cutting at the Northwest federal credit
union. Thank you very much, that allowed me to show for a family member around that
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17. MANAGER'S COMMENTS
Mr. Wells had no comments.
18. ADJOURNMENT
May 24, 2011
morning. I want to thank Pro jet aviation for hosting the business Awards that Katie and
Dave mentioned. Kevin was there, Ken was there and Marty. I think it was a great
event. We had over 260 members of our business community there that night. I really
appreciate Ron Rust and Judy coming to it, we really have outgrown unfortunately one
of the loveliest venues, Birkby house. I think the business community will grow and
grow. Thank you to Marantha and Debi Parry and Tara for putting it all together and
taking care of everything. Was able to brief Kevin last night. The Virginia Department
of Aviation is very interested in getting a list of all our proposed capital projects. Staff
has been working on this. They are going to get them down by deadline, which is
Friday because the Department of Aviation just wants to have an accurate sense of all
the needs of all the airports throughout the Commonwealth. Staff is doing a good job
working on that. There are some exciting ideas about next generation tower technology,
which could be a remotely manned tower that would allow planes to land even more
safely. We have ILS, this would be another step in the same direction. I want to thank
also Sheila Johnson, and of course, Shye Gilad for helping to highlight the business
awards. Dave and Supervisor Kelly Burk were both at the Hope's Treasures expansion.
If you haven't been there, it is a wonderful thrift store in the mall that we sometimes
refer to as the Blockbuster mall, but its where Sal's is. It is great. As they told us, people
come in and buy clothes there, toys, children's books. They have all kinds of things.
They may show up on foot or they may show up in a Land Rover or a BMW. The
customer base of this store cuts across all demographics. Finally, I would like to thank
the Town Police and especially Master Police Officer Chris Tidmore along with our
Citizen's Support Team and our fire department and INOVA Loudoun Hospital for
putting on a really good public safety day at Ida Lee over the weekend. I cannot
strongly enough urge any parent with a child who has access to the internet to go to one
of these briefings. They also had a wonderful briefing by, I think, Rick Smith on how to
better protect your business from internet crime. But, especially the session for parents
of kids, How to Protect your Kids from being Bullied Online, how to protect them from
all kinds of predators online. It is a very effective presentation. I recommend the next
time the police department does it, I think it is well worth going.
Hammler: Madam Mayor, I thought John was going to mention this, but there
was a wonderful award ceremony for Town employees as well. Kevin was there and
there was a lovely luncheon. I just wanted to say congratulations to everybody who
received awards including 30 year employees. As John mentioned aptly several times,
the importance is not the longevity, but the incredible productivity and wonderful things
they have contributed to the town. If you could just indulge me, the most important
point I wanted to make about John Janney was actually how important his role was in
trying to keep Virginia in the Union. Just thought symbolically, it was an interesting
point that what fell apart was in fact the firing on Fort Sumter. So throwing jabs and
things like that can change the course of history.
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On a motion by Vice Mayor Wright, seconded by Council Member Martinez, the
meeting was adjourned at 10:29 p.m.
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