HomeMy Public PortalAbout2015_tcmin0623 COUNCIL MEETING June 23, 2015
Council Chambers, 25 West Market Street, 7:30 p.m. Mayor Umstattd presiding.
Council Members Present: Kelly Burk, David Butler, Thomas Dunn, Suzanne Fox, Katie
Sheldon Hammler, Marty Martinez and Mayor Umstattd.
Council Members Absent: None.
Staff Present: Town Manager Kaj Dentler, Deputy Town Manager Keith Markel, Town
Attorney Barbara Notar, Director of Economic Development Marantha Edwards, Director
of Public Works Tom Mason, Director of Capital Projects Renee Lafollette, Acting
Information Technology Manager John Callahan, Director of Parks and Recreation Rich
Williams, Assistant Director of Finance/Ops Mike Goodrich, Chief of Police Joseph Price,
Senior Engineer Anne Geiger, Business Development Manager Kindra Jackson, Deputy
Director of Parks and Recreation Kate Trask, Senior Planner Delane Parks, Deputy
Director of Utilities Aref Etemadi, Deputy Director of Planning and Zoning Brian Boucher
and Executive Associate Tara Belote.
AGENDA ITEMS
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. INVOCATION: Council Member Dunn
3. SALUTE TO THE FLAG: Vice Mayor Burk
4. ROLL CALL: Showing all present.
5. MINUTES
a. Work Session Minutes of June 8, 2015
On a motion by Council Member Butler, seconded by Council Member Dunn, the
work session minutes of June 8, 2015 were approved by a vote of 7-0.
b. Regular Session Minutes of June 9, 2015
On a motion by Vice Mayor Burk, seconded by Council Member Butler, the regular
session minutes of June 9, 2015 were approved by a vote of 7-0.
6. ADOPTING THE MEETING AGENDA
On the motion of Council Member Butler, seconded by Council Member Dunn, the meeting
agenda was approved as presented, by the following vote:
Aye: Burk, Butler, Dunn, Fox, Hammier, Martinez and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7-0
7. PRESENTATIONS
a. Certificates of Appreciation—First Responders to the Fire on South King
Street
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On a motion by Vice Mayor Burk, seconded by Council Member Butler, Certificates of
Appreciation were approved for the following first responder companies:
Loudoun County Department of Fire, Rescue and Emergency Management
Leesburg Fire Company, Company 1
Purcellville Fire Company, Company 2
Ashburn Volunteer Fire and Rescue Department, Company 6
Philomont Volunteer Fire Company, Company 11
Sterling Volunteer Fire Company, Company 11
Loudoun County Volunteer Rescue Squad, Company 13
Purcellville Volunteer Rescue Squad, Company 14
Fairfax County Fire and Rescue Department, Squad 439
Michael O'Connor,property owner of 13 S. King Street, assisted in presentation of the
Certificates.
8. PETITIONERS
The Petitioner's Section was opened at 7:44 p.m.
Bob Brown, "Thank you, your honor, Mayor Umstattd and the Town Council.
Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I would also like to acknowledge the tremendous
job these gentlemen did at our car show and something that a lot of you may not be aware
of is that prior to the unfortunate fire, we had a gentleman that thought he was having a
heart attack. I called the 911 —they responded in less than 5 minutes and they did a very
professional job handling that. I think they took him to the hospital. They do a fine job.
Okay, my name is Bob Brown. I live at 1 Ayr Street, about three blocks from here. I have
been a Leesburg resident since 1995. We began investing in Leesburg real estate in 1990
and have owned businesses, Brown Carrera properties, with my wife who is sitting back
there, Maria Carrera, and with my daughter, Robin Frank. She, unfortunately, is not here,
for the past 25 years. I am also a classic car buff and ten years ago, myself and others
formed the Northern Virginia Rods and Classics Car Club with the express purpose of
continuing a local car show that is approaching its 30th year next June. The show, formerly
lead by others, including the former Mayor, Jim Clem, the Lions Club and others was in
danger of ending when the former sponsors, another car club from out of the area stopped
sponsoring it. We stepped in to ensure that the car show continued. The Northern Virginia
Rods and Classics Car Club was formed expressly for this purpose. This show, which takes
place the first Saturday in June every year is a charity event sponsored by the Northern
Virginia Rods and Classics Car Club and the Leesburg Downtown Business Association.
We have Gwen Pangle here, the president of the Leesburg Downtown Business
Association. We also have a number of members of the car club and supporters. Can you
hold up your hands? So, this draws thousands of spectators to Leesburg from all over the
area. Although the show lasts just five hours, it draws as many people as any of the other
events for a five hour period. All of the downtown shops and restaurants benefit from the
event. It costs quite a bit of money and a lot of effort to put this show on. Our expenses
include insurance, trophies, disc jockey, portajohns, printing, etc., etc. You know what goes
on with the Flower and Garden Show and all these other events. Many local businesses
such as the Battery Warehouse, Kelly Insurance, Interstate Moving, Star Buick GMC,
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Catoctin Automotive, Brown Carrera Realty, Hogan and Son Automotive, Merchants Tire
and Auto, and many others assist us with donations to defray expenses and we appreciate
the support we have gotten from the town. In the ten years we have put this show on, the
town has generously waived fees that were formerly charged for events of this nature. The
beneficiary is the Arts, Graphics, and Communications Department and the Auto Collision
Repair Course from the Monroe Technology Center benefited this year to the tune of
$10,000, $5,000 to each class. We have some representatives from the school back there.
So, this money is used for scholarships, field trips, etc., to prepare for the show. The arts
and graphics departments prints the flyers and posters and dash plaques. The auto collision
repair course produces many of the unique trophies that we pass out. Both classes along
with their teachers work very hard in collecting donations. If you have been to the show,
you have seen them in action. You know it takes a lot of personnel just to cover all the
entrances to the downtown area and ask for donations. The car club along with the school
works hard all year to put the show together planning and passing out flyers and posters,
soliciting support, registering and parking over 200 vehicles in a short period of time. We
didn't have quite that many this past event because of the threat of rain all day long, but
nevertheless we did collect a record amount of money. I am here tonight on behalf of the
Northern Virginia Rods and Classics Car Club and the Leesburg Downtown Business
Association to request that this event be made a town-sponsored event,just like the Flower
and Garden Show, the Air Show, Acoustics on the Green, etc. We would like the same
support as these other town sponsored events receive. That is, we would like to be featured
in the publications put out—you all put these out twice a year. We are not in it. We would
like to be in it. And we would like to receive all the other benefits that come with being a
town sponsored event and we would like to continue giving the money to the school—the
two classes that participate in it. I would be glad to answer any questions that anyone might
have".
Mayor: I think what we are going to want to do is probably have this on a work
session. Kaj, do you think for discussion? I know that an initial staff question was whether
the town legally—if it became fully a town event, whether the town legally could continue
to give to Monroe. I think that is one of the great advantages, but maybe more of a
partnership would be workable. So, we will put it on a work session and invite you to that
work session and see what our options are for giving you more assistance.
Brown: What is the difference between us and say the Flower and Garden Show and
so forth. How did they get the town sponsorship and we don't have it?
Mayor: The Flower and Garden Show is a town created/sponsored event. You
could become that. You could become a town sponsored event, it is just on our town
sponsored events, we don't generally raise money for other entities.
Brown: I never knew where that money went for the Flower and Garden Show and
the other events. I know that Acoustics on the Green doesn't bring in any money, I don't
suppose.
Mayor: They don't have admission fees, but I think the town wants to see this
continue. This is a great show. It brings a lot of people downtown and they love it. We are
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going to try to figure out a way to perhaps help you more. Kaj will remind us of the
limitations we have on current staffing that we may need— Council may need to consider
more staff positions to manage all the shows we are working with right now, but we will
make sure you get on the agenda so we can sit down and really look at all the options.
Brown: One of the things that was mentioned—in fact, it was requested by the
school because they have most of the students there that are out collecting the money. They
felt that if we could get the booths—say the ticket booths that are used at the Flower and
Garden Show, it would be easier to collect the money. I mean, it looks like an official ticket
booth and so forth. I know that they are donations—we can't charge anyone but we were
told by Parks and Recreation, but we were told that they are only available to town
sponsored events. So, this is the sort of thing we ran into and I noticed that we don't get as
many people from Parks and Recs assisting as the other events do. Anyhow I do appreciate
any consideration you can give us. We plan on continuing the car show and it is a good
worthwhile cause and we finally have a really great partner to work with. We tried a couple
of others in the past and although they were very good charities, they just weren't able to
give us the people power that we needed to collect the money. Thank you very much for
your time and I'll be hearing from you regarding the work session.
Harold Brown, 226 North King Street. I own Bachrach Photography—the world's
oldest photographic firm at 151 years both here and in Manhattan. I had the opportunity to
speak at a lot of art events and meeting the school and what they do, it is a tremendous
benefit. If we can help these young people, give them a direction and also support them in
what they want to do, I think it is a great cause. Especially in this day in age. When I was
16, I had no idea where I was going. I didn't know who I was going to vote for. That is a
private joke via my favorite democrat. I think it is a tremendous advantage that you can
help these young people off of a car show, which is also a tremendous event here in town.
Anybody here been to the car show? There you go! Despite the fire this year, it has always
gone off very well. In the event of the fire, these guys did a great job. We cleared those
streets, got the fire trucks in. I think there were two cars that were actually in harm's way. I
see no disadvantages to it and anything I can do to support it, I am more than happy to do.
Joe Drumheller: I used to live in Leesburg in Country Club. Now I live in Beacon
Hill. I just want to second what Bob, he also said. There is no downside for the town doing
what we need to do. That's all I've got. Thanks.
David Granger: I want to third what has just been said, or fourth what has just been
said. The idea for the ticket booths out front for people getting approached for money that
are not from this area, who are unfamiliar with the school, but yet they do dig deeper. It
would be an even more successful show than it has been in the past. The word is getting out
and the unfortunate events got it to be more noted. But, I just want to say that I fully think
this is something that is really a good idea and the idea of the town backing it makes it even
a huge event.
Gwen Pangle: As the president of the LDBA and the cosponsor for the car show, I
would just like to add my support to any support you could possibly give the car show, even
if it just meant being able to use the booths and nothing more. I think it is a wonderful
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event and anytime good people are doing good things for the town and for the people here, I
think we should try to support them all we can whether it is in part or in whole. Thank you
very much for being open to the possibility of doing that.
Carolyn Craig: Unfortunately, I do not live in Leesburg, but I am the president of
Northern Virginia Rods and Classics Car Club and I would just like to add when we ask for
the town council's help, we also would like to bring up the fact that the advertising in the
town magazine would also bring more people and also kind of cement the fact that the town
of Leesburg itself is behind the event and perhaps would encourage even more spectators
which can only bring more to our town.
Dave Williams: I am the collision repair instructor at Monroe Technology Center
and I just wanted to ask for your consideration to make this a town sponsored event. This
greatly helps our program here at Monroe and we really love having this car show and it is a
great partnership and we would love to have more backing from the town.
Monica Lopez: I am here to support Andrew Borgquist cause, so I am yielding my
time to him.
Andrew Borgquist: I am coming and continuing to speak on an issue that I have
been coming and speaking about for quite some time. Basically, a large part of the
reasoning that this has been so important to me is that I think openness and transparency,
basically good governance is important in all facets of government. This should include
how an application comes into the town and how it is processed and would also include all
the employment matters that might occur in the town. My background is that I have been a
town employee over 14 1/2 years. There was a point some time a little while ago now that I
had a disagreement with a Town of Leesburg police officer and ultimately then action was
taken against me based on that disagreement, but so I want to read a couple of things here
just to give us an idea of where we stand in terms of this situation because you know there
has been a lot of discussion about exactly what is permission, what is not permissible. As
we are all fully aware, Virginia is an employment at will state and you can fire someone for
any reason including no reason at all. Of course, that is not really true because there are
federal protections that extend beyond just that. Ultimately that is not good governance.
That is not an appropriate employment policy so that is not what the goal of the town of
Leesburg is in terms of how we do employment. Just to give you a little bit of perspective as
to what additional protections would be theoretically out there above and beyond this carte
blanc any reason, including no reason at all. Justice Thurgood Marshall in Rankin vs.
McPherson, this is actually a very old case. He said that vigilance is necessary to ensure
that public employers do not use authority over employees to silence discourse. Not
because it hampers the public functions but simply because superiors disagree with the
content of employee speech. I am not a lawyer, so I am not going to sit here and say that
maybe this is directly applicable to my situation though I think this illustrates the point
which is that idea that employment at will you can fire someone for any reason or no reason
at all does not apply and certainly not to a public employer and as a public employer there
should be a transparency and again that I think should apply to all classes of employment
within the town of Leesburg. So, with that in mind, if I can read real quick here from your
Personnel Procedures Manual which of course is not a contract, again doesn't really mean
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much because really the only system in place to kind of enforce what would be considered a
good policy would be the Town Manager, who holds other managers accountable and then
the Town Council that holds the Town Manager accountable. So, there of course, unlawful
acts and there are merit based principles and so one of these principles, Section 2.8,
protection against reprisal. Employees will be protected against reprisal for the lawful
disclosure of information which the employee's reasonably—notice reasonably, it doesn't
even say you have to be right,just reasonably believe evidence is a violation of any law, rule
or regulation, mismanagement or gross waste of funds, abuse of authority or a substantial
and specific danger to public health or safety. Section 2.9 Protection from arbitrary action.
Employees will be protected from intimidation, arbitrary action and personal favoritism or
coercion for any reason. So, as you can see here the goal of the town of Leesburg is well
above and beyond this whole we can fire anyone for any reason including no reason at all.
So, I did have a situation. At this point, I have decided why not just be open and
transparent as I can in terms of being in front of you guys, obviously. I have been very open
and transparent with my communications with the town, but I will be open and transparent
with everyone. Is that four minutes, meaning that I have another six? As it happens, what
had kind of initially precipitated all of this action to move forward was Mr. Williams, who
is actually sitting here today, chose to have a meeting with me. He wanted to discuss the
disagreement that I had with this Town of Leesburg police officer. Mr. Williams invited me
into this meeting. Mr. Allred, my direct manager, Jay Allred was also in attendance. Mr.
Williams told me I was being suspended immediately and indefinitely. Gave me no
indication whatsoever of when the suspension could be lifted. He told me I was not going
to be told why and he told me I wasn't going to be told by who was saying things about me.
He gave kind of cryptic responses when I asked him who is it you know about this
disagreement from. He said it is not important that I know, why or how, it is only
important that he knows. When I asked specifically, you know, what is it you think that I
did—I don't understand. His response was that something happened, which cannot
happen. Just this vague aura of something happened which cannot happen. Okay, that's
kind of interesting. He said you don't have to say anything. This is done. Well, I did not
stay quiet. I did say something because I believe— and I believe that is completely
unappropriate. I don't see the appropriateness of that whatsoever. Furthermore, I basically
outlined why I believed that my disagreement was valid, reasonable and ultimately why this
was not proportional and had nothing to do with anything. I didn't really want to talk
about it. You guys approached me. The town of Leesburg approached me. Rich
approached me. I was not trying to go out there and say anything about anybody. I had
spoken directly and personally to a town of Leesburg police officer. I had expressed my
disagreement. That was done. I still do not see how this snowballed into what I consider a
travesty of management. So, anyways, Mr. Williams, I did get a hand of his report. But, let
me step up here a second here. So, ultimately after that meeting, Mr. Williams left me from
the meeting with the idea that I was just being indefinitely suspended for who knows how
long. No guidance whatsoever to how to lift that suspension whatever. I guess you
consider it like I was being put on ice. I don't know. I requested—I called two days later to
find out if I could still use the facility during my suspension since it was going to be this
indefinitely forever period of time in which case maybe I could come back then and you
know have the suspension lifted and Mr. Williams informed me that I had actually been
fired. That he had changed his mind after that meeting, even though he had given me every
indication the entire way throughout the meeting that it was only an indefinite suspension
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and that we could talk at some later time, which he gave no guidance whatsoever for that
really. After being terminated, I requested my employee evaluation form. Good, good,
good, good, everything good, good, good. Dismissal. The spot for reason for dismissal has
been checked—other has been checked, but no explanation is given. Completely blank. So,
you know obviously I did not agree with that and I was trying to figure out exactly what the
situation was. I did end up doing a FOIA request and I got a correspondence between him
and the then Town Manager, Mr. Wells, and ultimately I feel deceived by Mr. Williams and
ultimately, this report, I do not believe is accurate. I take serious issue with it from more
than one issue here. For one, he also additionally in this report does not mention who it
was that had brought this to his attention—he just said it was brought to staff's attention.
Well, no it wasn't just brought to staff's attention. Urn, I have since learned that it was
Chief Price of the Town of Leesburg police department that brought this to his attention. It
also appears that there may have been a disclosure of information that I have heard from
many people in law enforcement that they are not sure it was appropriate. Is that final end
of ten minutes there? I will tie up here pretty quickly. Ultimately so you know, trying to go
through this at the very least you could sit here and you could say this appears wildly
inappropriate. This does not appear to be in alignment with the goal of the Town of
Leesburg of open, transparent, fair, honest, equal employment. But, let's assume he did it in
a wrong way, but the ends do not justify the means. And so, even if you wanted to make
the argument oh, well then ultimately he should have been suspended, maybe there was
something he needed to be disciplined about, but certainly I have been given no merit based
explanation whatsoever. I have attempted to have a meeting with then Town Manager Mr.
Wells and I thought I was making progress because I was having a meeting with the Town
Manager, Mr. Wells. When I went in, I said look ultimately I do not really know the
specific reason for why this termination occurred. I would like you to give me—tell me. He
said, no I'm not going to tell you anything. You have been terminated. That is my
position. I consider that to be very hostile. I consider that to be completely untransparent.
He gave me no real promises whatsoever and then he wanted to extend it out another three
months before he made his final decision as to whether he was going to reverse the decision
or not. Ultimately, he decided not to reverse the decision and in his letter, ultimately I see
no merit based explanation whatsoever in his refusal to reverse the decision and I personally
take issue with the response because I find it insulting. He said some very negative things
about my character which I guess, if you have the power to say whatever you want without
actually backing it up with substantial—unless you consider this coming to the meeting
being someone who feels that it should—who will speak up. Ultimately I don't want to be
here coming and keep talking about this. I just want the Town of Leesburg to do what's
right. I believe there is substantial consideration that could be said that this was extremely
inappropriate and if anything was to happen it certain was not this. So, you know
ultimately I know that in the end of the day, how many meetings will I keep coming to. I
would like to ask you, Madam Mayor. How many meetings—do you think this is right?
How many meetings do I need to keep coming to before something will be done?
Mayor: We can't answer that. This is your chance to speak.
Borgquist: I understand that, but I don't....you are responsible for ensuring that it is
appropriate practices and so if you are not doing it, then who is going to? Like I don't—and
if Mr. Dentler won't stand up for correct practices, if you can't even from the podium
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condemn inappropriate action or say that you know, stand up for what should be done, then
I don't know where we are. Alright, I thank you for your time. You guys know how to
contact me. I would love to have a discussion with Mr. Dentler. I think this is probably not
the best forum for this discussion, but I have no access because I am the outcast at this
point.
Hamid Saghafi, co-owner Dulles Motor Cars. I am co-owner of Dulles Motor Cars
in 107 and 109 Catoctin Circle. I have been an auto dealer business since 1990. Me and my
brother, Kevin, we started a small dealership with everybody's help including you people,
we have grown from 20-30 employees. Now we are about 140 employees in our two
dealerships. The reason I am here is to discuss the situation with the skate park which is
either going to get remodeled or maybe removed to a different location such as the school or
maybe Ida Lee Park. There may be some shared interest between my business and maybe
rescue squad with the previous discussions that we had, they were needing for more space
because they are kind of—their space is very tight. We talked to a gentleman from the
rescue squad a couple of years ago and they are very interested to see if something can be
worked out between the town, the rescue squad and us and the skate park. So, basically, I
have a concern first and maybe a suggestion. The concern is the skate park—if it gets
remodeled, the town has budgeted 100s of thousands of dollars and it will remain where it is
which is between a very business intersection of Catoctin Circle, Route 7 and Harrison
Street. We have seen in the past 25 years the children—kids —coming through the
dealership through the lots, not mentioning the damages and whatever, because I have three
kids myself so I have never raised a complaint against the kids and children so they are
having fun, but we want to see what works best in the best interest of the kids, the rescue
squad, which I think is very important and we might have some interest to share part of the
land that is owned by the Town of Leesburg. I would like Council Members and Madam
Mayor to consider this issue may not have come up in the past that it could be other
interests and could be safety issues involved. Whatever the outcome is, I am going to
support it, but what would be the best to everybody's interest, that could become a win/win
situation for everybody should be considered. We will entertain some kind of offer to
purchase the property and probably donate a portion of it—not probably—donate it to the
rescue squad once we meet again, hopefully, it gets to that point. I believe it is three acres of
property, but I talked to the gentleman from the town two years ago, that's what he said.
There is a value, but part of it is buildable, usable. This is a raw property that the town was
using it for a skate park and a portion of it for bringing their equipment and stuff. So, the
town actually is kind enough to let us use a portion of it for our employee parking, which
seems to be a win/win situation because the growth of the employees. So, we will entertain
an offer that we can play around, talk about details and see if we can work something out.
If that is possible—fine. If not, we are going to continue doing our business and thank you
for your support.
The Petitioner's Section was closed at 8:19 p.m.
Marantha Edwards introduced Kindra Jackson, Business Development Manager.
Kaj Dentler introduced Mike Goodrich, Finance Operations Manager. He
announced that Bob Berkey and Aref Etemadi are retiring at the end of the month.
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9. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA
On a motion by Vice Mayor Burk, seconded by Council Member Butler, the following items
were moved for approval as the Consent Agenda:
a. Sole Source Procurement for Badger Water Meters
RESOLUTION 2015-070
Authorizing the Purchase of Water Meter Register Heads from Badger Meter as a Sole
Source Procurement and Authorizing the Town Manager to Procure the Register
Heads
b. Sole Source Procurement to Aclara for Automated Meter Reading(AMR)System
Replacement
RESOLUTION 2015-071
Authorizing the Purchase of Meter Transmitting Units from Aclara as a Sole Source
Procurement and Authorizing the Town Manager to Procure the Units
c. Performance Guarantee and Water and Sewer Extension Permits for Compass Creek
Commercial Center Phase I(TLPF 2014-0023)
RESOLUTION 2015-072
Authorizing an Agreement and Approving a Performance Guarantee and Water and
Sewer Extension Permits for Compass Creek Commercial Center, Phase I(TLPF 2014-
0023)
d. Fiscal Year 2015 Supplemental Appropriation for the Parking Garage Mural Project
RESOLUTION 2015-073
Approving a Supplemental Appropriation for Donations of up to$14,000 from Private
Sources to Leesburg Commission on Public Art for the Parking Garage Mural Project
e. Contract Approval for the Skate Park
RESOL UTION2015-074
Awarding the Contract for the Redevelopment of the Skate Park to Spohn Ranch, Inc.,
in an Amount Not to Exceed$500,000
f. Contract Award for Network Switches Replacement Project
RESOLUTION 2015-075
Awarding the Contract for the Network Switches Replacement Project to DISYS
Solutions, Inc., in the Amount of$298,79760
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g. Office Lease at the Leesburg Executive Airport Terminal
RESOLUTION 2015-076
Awarding a Lease to Atlantic Airways, LLC,for Suite 10 in the Terminal at the
Leesburg Executive Airport
h. License Agreement between the Town of Leesburg and Loudoun County for
Telecommunications Facilities in town Right-ofWay
RESOLUTION 2015-077
Authorizing the Town Manager to Execute a License Agreement between the Town of
Leesburg and Loudoun County for Telecommunications Facilities in Town Right-of
Way
Aye: Burk, Butler, Fox, Dunn, Hammier, Martinez, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7-0
10. PUBLIC HEARINGS
a. Special Exception Application for Veterinarian Clinic at Village at Leesburg
The public hearing was opened at 8:25 p.m.
Delane Parks gave a brief presentation of the application for a veterinary
clinic as a special exception use in the Village at Leesburg.
Key Points:
• Applicant is requesting a special exception to allow for establishment of a
veterinary hospital to be located in the Village at Leesburg.
• Will be located next to the Orvis retail store.
• Will be completely enclosed with no outdoor activities.
• Applicant will provide soundproofing including double wall construction and
sound mitigating material in the exterior of the use.
• Applicant will provide a regularly serviced outdoor pet waste receptacle.
• Conditions to deal with noise control, odor control, and limitation of outdoor
activities and waste disposal to ensure no adverse impact.
• Proposed use generates less traffic than by-right retail uses.
• Planning Commission recommended approval.
Council Comments/Questions:
• Dunn: Has the applicant agreed to all the conditions?
Applicant answer: Absolutely.
• Dunn: So, they are all agreed to, ready to go forward. We want your
business to grow. You want your business to grow. Do you see possibility of
additional space using at the current location.
Applicant answer: I actually represent the shopping center. Currently what
we are leasing to them is a 2600 square feet. Potentially we could speak on
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expansion, but I don't believe so. With their space plans they have now, it is
what you see. Their kind of sweet spot is between about 2500 and 3500
square feet so they have chosen this amount as the correct amount for their
business. I don't believe from my point of view, currently, there is no sort of
expansion inside of Leesburg within five to ten years.
• Dunn: And I guess for staff, are there any limitations should they want to
expand? Would that require them to have to come in for another special
exception?
Staff answer: Actually the advertisement is for the square footage listed on
the application, which is the 2400 square feet, so if they did want to make
some sort of significant expansion, we would have to consider that it does not
fall within the ad requirements.
• Dunn: That would be just for this ad. Are they limited for expansion—
would they require another special exception to expand sometime in the
future.
Staff answer: It would.
• Burk: I just want to comment on the fact that you got a 5-0-2 vote from the
Planning Commission. That says a lot. I don't foresee there being any
problems with this.
• Hammier: I do have a question. I know that it is going to be fully enclosed
and as you are taking care of hospitalized patients, it is not anticipated that
the dogs or any pets will need to go outdoors ever? They are just going to be
self contained and the waste will be taken care of? I would think if they are
going to be there overnight, they would need to go out and get comfortable.
Applicant Answer: I am Stephanie Forman, I am a veterinarian with the
Banfield Pet Hospital. It is our policy that within the pets that are staying
with us for the day— and we don't hospitalize pets overnight, so that is not a
problem. We do have two runs in the back of our facility where we can let
those pets go out for a walk. In the rare exception that a pet does need to be
walked, and again we make that an exception for the pets that are healthy and
can be double leashed and make sure that they are safely walked outdoors,
but it is the exception. We do have the runs in the back of the building. The
runs are inside the building.
Other: What I was telling Ms. Hammier, what we are passing around now is
the space plan for the space. There are two dog runs in the back of the space,
which are roughly about 20 square feet each. Mr. Parks had referenced those
in the applicant and that is where the animals would be able to have an open
area to go throughout the day and that was also what Mr. Parks had
referenced in terms of keeping them clean and mitigating any smell issues.
• Fox: Just one quick question. Is this a 24 hour facility? Will there ever be
overnight pets there?
Applicant answer: No, it is not. 7 to 7. No, it is not our policy. Every now
and then, we will have a declaw that does need to be —a healthy pet that is
stable to stay overnight, but that is routine with the other practices that we
have.
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• Fox: So, I would assume then that you would have a staff person there
overnight as well, even though it is 7 to 7?
Applicant answer: No, we have no staff overnight.
• Fox: So the pets would be there by themselves overnight?
Applicant answer: That is the one exception and we very rare do declaws. If
that is the concern, we can definitely address how we will address that.
• Mayor: I know that at the Planning Commission, a similar question was
raised and it was the position of legal counsel that we are not to base our vote
on how you run your business. All we are dealing with is the use and
Barbara, you can correct me if you need to.
• Hammler: I understand that we have veterinary clinics within sort of mixed
use strip mall oriented shopping centers, so why does this require a special
exception?
Staff answer: The zoning ordinance says that when you have a vet hospital
because of the different types of factors involved with a vet hospital that can
create an impact on adjoining uses, whether they be residential or non-
residential—noise, odor, those types of things so there are conditions built
into the system that you have to consider, and the Planning Commission as
well. There might be a situation where a use goes in and it creates an impact
on the adjoining uses. So, that leaves it up to the governing body to
determine what is appropriate.
• Hammler: We can take this offline. It just strikes me that there is probably
more streamlined ways to deal with this in terms of enforcement if certain
things aren't adhered to that are part of just basic practices that are accepted.
But, thank you.
There were no members of the public wishing to address this public hearing.
The public hearing was closed at 8:41 p.m.
On a motion by Vice Mayor Burk, seconded by Council Member Dunn, the following
was proposed:
RESOLUTION 2015-078
Approving TLSE 2015-0001, Village at Leesburg, Veterinary Hospital, Suite Q105,
located on Property Identified as PIN Number 149-28-0023
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Burk, Butler, Fox, Dunn, Hammier, Martinez, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: None
Vote: 7-0
b. Batch Town Code Amendments
The public hearing was opened at 8:42 p.m.
Barbara Notar gave a brief description of the proposed code changes:
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• Five amendments in the batch.
• General Assembly code changes are not included in the batch.
• Changes to the language of the duties of the Leesburg Economic
Development Commission
o Attract and recruit new businesses. Delete the word "desirable" because it
is a subjective term.
o Clarify Duty #6, that they help identify and pursue sources of public and
private grant funds.
o Recommend policies and practices for the retention and expansion of
existing businesses.
• Change Technology and Communication Commission roles to delete
oversight of franchise agreements.
• Add two uses allowable in parks —radio controlled aircraft under certain
circumstances with permission and petting zoos.
• Expansion of the Arts and Cultural District to four parcels across the street
from the existing district.
Council Comments/Questions:
• Dunn: Under the EDC,just a question on #6, why would we want to limit
private funds to grants? Like when we accept any private funds.
Jim Sisley: I don't believe the change was meant to exclude if someone
wanted to donate, but that the Economic Development Commission would
pursue grants, more specifically. The request was made by one of our
members —one of the appointees. We had a fairly robust discussion about it.
Again, it is not meant to exclude donations, more particularly that the
Commission would not be out in search of individuals to give either the
commission or the town money. And that the more appropriate type of
research or activity from an economic development commission would be
that we would seek out grants from those individuals that advertise grants as
available—whether they are private parties or public parties.
• Dunn: I know that one of the things that has been on the EDC wish list for
decades has been a grant writer dedicated for the town. It is still there?
Sisley: I think every commission wants a grant writer.
• Dunn: Could I possibly suggest that so that it doesn't give the impression that
we are limiting other private funds, that we say public and private funds to
include grants.
Sisley: All I can represent to you is the recommendation that was discussed,
voted, and approved by the Commission. I am not at liberty to take action.
• Dunn: We are.
Sisley: Yes, you are.
• Dunn: I would just— only because I think that the way it is worded gives the
impression that is it public funds—just what it says —it says funds that are
public and private grants, but I would like to make sure it stays open to things
other than just grants. So, if Council is willing to add those two words, public
and private funds to include grants, it is just rearranging the words and adding
two more words to it, would be my recommendation.
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Staff answer: That seems reasonable to me.
• Mayor: If the Economic Development Commission doesn't want to be
tasked with looking for non-grant funds...
• Dunn: But that wasn't what you said though—you said you were open to
funds. You would like to look more for grants, but you would take funds
anywhere you can.
Sisley: Let me be clear. The discussion was that the task of the Economic
Development Commission was more appropriately to pursue public and
private funds from grants and not from individuals.
• Dunn: So, you don't want any private funds other than grants?
Sisley: It is not necessarily the desire to exclude private funds. I believe you
would hear from the Town Attorney, and I am not going to speak for her, but
that the town is very capable of accepting private funds as it has in the past,
but that the task in question is that of the Economic Development
Commission and again it was discussed broadly and decided by the members
of the Economic Development Commission that they wanted the language
changed to be more specifically identifying towards grants.
• Dunn: Okay. Why take off#12?
Sisley: You are talking about the town-wide events?
• Dunn: Yes. Oh, then you don't want to be at the ticket booth.
Sisley: It is not so much a personnel thing as it is looking at what economic
development needs to do. That is not a core task. What is a core task is
elevating of conversations, raising awareness, so that people become
interested in our jurisdiction and then interfacing with those businesses and
facilitating their entry into our jurisdiction. And that's a full time job. We
would like to pay more attention to that and less attention to the non-core
activities, not that we wouldn't be involved. I understand that there are times,
and we love our partner in Parks and Rec. They have done phenomenal work
with us, especially during a couple of recent events, but town-wide events
might be more appropriately an activity for another department rather than
Economic Development.
Notar: I apologize. Reading this over again, number 6, I think it should stay
with just grant funds. I am going to disagree with your suggestion. Here is
why. I have had many conversations —because commissions are not
supposed to fund raise. That is why they have fundraising arms. I think this
was to clarify that it is grant funds that they can accept with no problems.
• Dunn: On number 10, prohibited uses in the parks—I did have a little
concern on this, Rich. I heard what you said that this is saying it is
prohibited, although there was a caveat that if you come and ask, it is not. If
that is the case, I think it should be stated, plus what I am seeing here—this
paragraph seems to be dealing with primarily fireworks and things that would
be considered fireworks and to put radio controlled aircraft—I know we had
an issue with the radio controlled drones—we had concerns there, but I am
just concerned that I go out with my sons and want to fly a Styrofoam electric
powered airplane, which I did take it out to Balls Bluff Elementary School
backyard and the first time we flew it, it ended up in a tree, so it is gone. But
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we do have another one in the closet. My concern is that this is for any park
in town, correct?
Staff answer: Correct. The way that the code was originally written and is in
place today is that any of those activities—launching fireworks, missiles, etc.,
is not permitted without a permit from the director. The previous town
attorney had ruled that model aircraft could be defined as missiles. So, we
have had a successful program for the past number of years that you would
secure a permit and we would designate a certain portion of Ida Lee Park
specifically that you could fly your model aircraft. In that area, we would
take into account what activities are going on around it, so if we have got
soccer games going on, for instances, we would not grant a permit for you to
fly the model aircraft. It is typically done in the area where we launch the
fireworks. All that this code change, by adding model aircraft, it was just
providing greater clarification to the citizens so that they would know if I am
going to fly model aircraft, the average citizen may not know that would be
lumped under a missile, so it spells it out for them so that they would know
that they should secure the permit and get with us first.
• Dunn: And is this only at Ida Lee?
Staff answer: Pretty much the only place I would—I could see realistically
granting a permit for this would be at Ida Lee. It is the only park we have
large enough to accommodate this type of activity.
• Dunn: But if somebody wanted to—it does include all parks?
Staff answer: It does include all parks, but if somebody went to Foxridge
Park and flew a model aircraft without a permit, technically they would be in
violation of the Town Code.
• Dunn: Okay. And you are saying model aircraft, but you mean to say radio
controlled?
Staff answer: Yes, I'm sorry. Radio controlled aircraft.
• Dunn: That's your main concern. Rubber band powered is okay.
Staff answer: Correct. It was clarifying the terminology so that the citizen
would know what we are talking about.
• Butler: A couple of questions. Back on #10, I would recommend a couple of
changes in the wording. The way it is worded now, I have two problems with
it. If there is an aircraft that is remote controlled, but is not remote controlled
by a radio - that would be permitted. I am not sure that is your intent. Also,
the way it was worded, implies that it is only radio controlled missiles that are
prohibited, whereas, if you have a missile that is not radio controlled, that
would not necessarily fall under here. So, I think leaving a comma after the
word "aircraft" or what would be, I think, more appropriate is to have that
line read "explode or throw any fireworks, firecrackers, rockets, torpedoes,
missiles, or remote control aircraft of any kind in any park without permission
of the director". Would that be okay? The other question I had is do we have
a copy of the June 23, 2015 Arts and Cultural District Map? Have we been
sent that?
Staff answer: Yes, it should have been...
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• Butler: Is it in there and I just missed it? Because I didn't think I saw it.
Maybe I just missed it.
Staff answer: It should have been posted to Sharepoint.
• Butler: Maybe it was in the previous meeting's....no?
Staff answer: It is missing from Sharepoint. But there is a new map and it
would be dated today so the date would be in the Town Code. So, we have a
new map that adds that little four-parcel piece on Liberty Street.
• Butler: Okay, I think it would be helpful if we maybe could get that map
before we vote.
Staff answer: I apologize.
• Burk: Just if we are talking about the four parcels right across from where it
ends on Liberty Street, then I'm okay.
Staff answer: That was all that was added.
• Burk: That would be my only concern, but I would like to vote on it tonight,
if possible to get this process started.
Staff answer: I could send you all the map.
• Hammler: Rich, my questions are for you too. I know you specifically used
the word "petting zoos". Can you just give an example of a request that you
have gotten to bring non-domestic reptiles, because I also want to reference an
important email we got in reference—in fact the only email that we got about
this raising concerns about that.
Staff answer: Typically, we have had requests from groups that are either
renting a pavilion or renting park space for either a birthday party or maybe a
company picnic, whatever. And they have requested either having some
pony rides where the children are walked around by ponies or actual petting
zoos coming in for the kids to pet bunnies and chickens or what other type of
animals that are non-domesticated. By code, we could not grant that
permission to that rental group to bring those into the park. All this code
change would do is allow us to evaluate it and if it was—you know, they
weren't bringing any dangerous animals into the park, we could then allow—
it allows us to control the environment in which it comes in.
• Hammier: So, at the pavilion at Ida Lee, by the park, the playground or
Foxridge,just those types of pavilions where it would be a private party and
they would have the opportunity because they are renting it for a short period
of time.
Staff answer: Right, some groups have asked instead of bringing a moon
bounce in, can they bring pony rides. We wouldn't be able to grant that
currently because they are non-domesticated animals coming into the park.
• Hammier: Okay, I would like to reference though that we did get this email
for our consideration from Mr. and Mrs. Grunewald on Chesterfield Place.
"Petting zoos have a horrible reputation for maltreatment of animals that are
manhandled and bored." It went on talking about please do not consider
petting zoos in our parks. It also said a drone in the park, really? That's a
terrible idea. We recently had a drone flying and hovering over our
neighborhood and it really freaked people out. So, the email was very much
objecting to us even considering this. Certainly, if you read the staff report
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and the actual language in the code, I think it alleviates the concern, but I
think we could have done a better job in terms of how we communicated this
to the public.
Staff answer: I spoke to Mrs. Grunewald as well as Mr. Grunewald on this
specific issue. They had a misunderstanding as to what exactly was being
done with the code change. Unfortunately, the way the original article was
written, there was a little confusion as to what really was taking place within
the code change and the rumor mill started festering.
• Hammier: I can totally understand that. That's what I wanted to clarify this
evening because it is rather straight forward when you look at the language.
It is really adding controls —you officially have the authorization and will
control/limit it. But I do think the key point about say remote control
aircraft. You mentioned soccer games as something you might consider, but
there are those that really enjoy Ida Lee being passive and not having any sort
of noise. You know how I feel about cell phones in the gym. Just that there
are opportunities to get away. I hope that you would keep that in mind. I am
going to support this and I appreciate your clarification, but I think that needs
to be an overarching goal for the passive section of the park.
Staff answer: Absolutely. That's why we only have the area where the
fireworks are launched as the area that we designate for the flying of the
aircraft.
• Fox: The only thing that I see and the only problem I have is the petting zoo
issue. I have seen petting zoos on private land/private property and you
know, private events and things like that, which I think is totally fine, but I
have an issue —or I think it could be an issue if there were undomesticated
animals on public land and it would keep people away in certain parks or
some children might be afraid of this animal or that. I just don't know if it is
the right forum to have a petting zoo. I have a little bit of a concern about
how it would be manned, I suppose. What kinds of conditions would we put
in this permit to make sure everything is okay.
There were no members of the public wishing to address this public hearing.
The public hearing was closed at 9:02 p.m.
On a motion by Vice Mayor Burk, seconded by Council Member Dunn, the following
was proposed:
ORDINANCE 2015-0-012
Amending Chapter 2(Administration), Article V(Boards and Commissions), Division
2(Specific Boards and Commissions), Section 2-221(Leesburg Economic Development
Commission), Section 2-228(Leesburg Technology and Communication Commission),
Chapter 26(Parks and Recreation), Article II(Park Rules, Sections 26-24(Prohibited
Uses of Parks), Section 26-26(Behavior), and Chapter 7(Arts and Cultural District),
Section 7-2(District Boundaries and Date Established).
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Council Comments:
• Dunn: I think these are good going forward and I think dealing with the
aircraft and petting zoos, that we can rely on staff to administer that properly
and I would think, too, that as far as petting zoos go, parents can be the judge
of that. I don't think they want to bring mistreated animals in and just to give
a blanket statement that because it is a petting zoo that those animals are
mistreated, that has got to be on a case by case basis. I say let the folks have
their airplanes and their petting zoos.
• Hammier: I'd just like to say we've come a long way with the Tech and
Cable Commission. This is a great new beginning. I remember very, very
long nights and a lot of very unhappy customers when we only had one
provider and now with competition, low and behold all of those problems
have gone away. So, Tech Commission, thanks—the edits on their mission.
• Fox: The only comment I have, I'm okay with most of this. The only
problem I have is with the petting zoo piece.
The motion was approved by the following vote:
Aye: Burk, Butler, Dunn, Hammier, Martinez, and Mayor Umstattd
Nay: Fox
Vote: 6-1
11. RESOLUTIONS AND MOTIONS
a. None.
12. ORDINANCES
a. None.
13. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
a. None.
14. NEW BUSINESS
a. None.
15. COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS:
Council Member Dunn: I will just be very brief. I'm sure everybody is going to say
the same thing, but I appreciate the first responders for the fire that we had downtown. It
really gives you great appreciation when you realize how close our historic downtown can
be literally historic—you know, part of history in the past tense. It just doesn't take much
and it is great to know that those folks were there to help preserve our downtown. That's all
I have.
Council Member Butler: Just a couple of little things. Congratulations to all the
graduates in Loudoun County. I had a son who was in a band who got to get up at 6
o'clock in the morning to go and play at the Loudoun County High School graduation.
Although, he said we got to play the same song over and over and over again, which is
normal for graduations. He did like the speaker, which I presume you will mention.
Smokehouse Live, the ribbon cutting, that was great. It is a cool, new place. I hope
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everybody goes and checks it out. It is big—bigger than I thought, but that's okay.
Leesburg has its own honky tonk. That's a good thing. I hope all the Fathers in the
audience had a good Father's Day, I know I did. That's always fun, although it is never
quite as much of a splash as Mother's Day, now is it? But that's okay. I don't really,
because it makes it easier to go out to dinner because it is not nearly so crowded as it is on
Mother's Day, so that is an advantage. I hope everybody here has a good July 4th. I will be
out of town, as usual for July 4th as my folks always have a big party with all our friends
and family, so I 'Ube there and hope everybody here has a great one.
Vice Mayor Burk: I just have a few things also. The ribbon cutting at the Groove
Music Shop was really delightful. Suzanne was there and you were there. It was a student I
worked with at Blue Ridge, so it was great to see him again as he is beginning his new
endeavor. That's really exciting. The Sunflower Shack ribbon cutting—well, that is an
interesting place. It is just really worth going and taking some time out. As for the
Steakhouse Live, I only hope the press does not get ahold of the pictures, because boy did
we look silly with our cowboy hats on. I want to congratulate the preschool graduates from
Paxton. They had a graduation ceremony and I stood in for the Mayor. It was delightful
and they all ended up dancing on the middle of the lawn. Finally, I would like—I would
like to obviously thank Fire and Rescue for all of their work. If you think that the town's
buildings are over 200 years old, the potential for that fire to spread and take out many more
buildings was so possible that it is really scary when you think about it, but because of their
efforts, it most certainly did not happen and we really appreciate that. Last, I would like to
congratulate AH&T Insurance because they are the only company that was listed in the
Washington Post Magazine as the top work place in 2015. They were the only Leesburg
place that was listed, is what I was trying to say. They came in 47th, but I think we need to
work on getting a couple more in next year. Congratulations to them for being a top small
work place. It is quite an honor. It is really great. Their employees must like working
there.
Council Member Martinez: I apologize missing the Smokehouse ribbon cutting.
Fire and Rescue—another good reason to have them here is their quick response and
knowing our neighborhoods. Glad to see us honor them. Also, graduation—my grandson
graduated alongside the Mayor's daughter—not unfortunately valedictorian, but he did
graduate. He will be going into the Marines in about a month and a half, but not to Yale.
Congratulations, your daughter was phenomenal and she did a great job up there. I'm just
sorry that she did not mention this Council as being an inspiration. It was a wonderful
graduation. I enjoyed it and we had a nice friends at the house. It was a great celebration
for us.
Council Member Hammier: I have a couple of disclosures. On the 15th a group of
us, staff, Kelly, a couple of key commissioners, Dieter and Jim Sisley prepared for what is
going to be the performing arts meeting on the 29th with Peter Levine from the Levine
School of Music and Bill Reeder from George Mason. So, will report back after that.
Thank you all for joining that meeting. This evening, Suzanne and I met with Shye Gilad
from ProJet. He is going to be reaching out to all Council Members, so very much hope
you will make time to meet with Shye and our specific request—I don't know the dates that
you were planning to distribute the RFP for the FBO but we would request that stay on hold
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until we all get a chance to debrief, meet with Shye and, you know, communicate a little
more about the issues. I want to chime in and congratulate, Chris and Jim, the owners of
Smokehouse Live. It really was a really fun ribbon cutting and event. Jim is a phenomenal
barbeque chef, so it is a great restaurant, great music venue and I think it is going to be a lot
of fun. It is at the Villages at Leesburg. What I also love is the garage doors that open and
you can dine on the street. It is just going to be a wonderful venue and I am already hearing
great things from so many people who are enjoying going there. Speaking of food, I keep
hearing great feedback from people who would love to have food trucks at things like skate
parks and dog parks, so I look forward to that coming back. Like all of us, I wanted to
thank all of the first responders. I was such an honor to see them all in Town Hall this
evening. But, what I was most struck by was the teamwork. Just all these units from all
over the region coming together so quickly and I have mentioned this before, but I know
there was just a lot of teamwork throughout town and it just shows how much we truly care
about each other and Marty mentioned Kristen and Kelly being there to help move drums
and musical equipment. Just glad it wasn't a tragedy, but it brought out the best in us. I also
wanted to congratulate our very special graduates. Kendrick—just so very proud that she
was valedictorian and heading off to Yale—following in her mom's footsteps. We thank
her for all of her sacrifices having you here for the many years —you know, we have
watched her grow up so it has been amazing. Marty, I sure hope, because I went to
graduation last week for my nephew and what I loved was they also asked not just the
honor roll students to stand up, but anyone who will be serving in the military to please
stand up. I hope he had the opportunity to do that. We are really proud of Eric who will be
heading off to the Marines. And just one last plug—to please citizens take a look at a
Open.gov. It is a great opportunity to look at detailed financial information in terms of
transparency in our operations. More on that from the Tech for promotions. Finally,
looking forward to July 4th
Council Member Fox: Just the one disclosure. I did meet with Shye Gilad tonight
as well, but I don't have a disclosure form, so I need to get that from you. Congratulations
to Kendrick. Very, very happy for you. Very, very happy for her. I did get to go to the
ribbon cutting at Groove, as Kelly alluded to. She really helped form a really impressive
young entrepreneur. That is really neat to see. I was quite impressed with him. I just
wanted to say welcome to Ms. Jackson and Mr. Goodrich, our new town employees. It will
be really neat to get to know them too. Congratulations to Mr. Aref with his retirement.
I've nothing else.
16. MAYOR'S COMMENTS
I guess Suzanne knows there was a great benefit concert at the Birkby House for the
folks that lost their belongings in the King Street fire. Todd Wright was there even though
he has been shut out of his new space because of the fire. He was there playing. Gary
Smallwood was there. I didn't get to stay for the whole thing, but I know Suzanne you were
there for a good bit of it and all the musicians did a really wonderful job. Stilson was there.
Thanks to Eyetopia—Paige Buscema for helping to set it up as well. By the way, I think it is
this Saturday night, our Acoustic on the Green concert is Todd Wright, as I recall. So,
everybody come out Saturday at 7 p.m. We will be on the Town Green. That's the side of
Town Hall that is on Market Street. If it rains, we will go inside into the basement. The
concert will go on regardless of weather. I would just like to congratulate all of the
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graduates. Kendrick, good job and thanks for putting up with this Town Council for so
many years, especially Kelly Burk. Congratulations to Eric for graduating and Suzanne, I
know that Savannah is coming up — is it next year? And then Dave's sons are going to be
graduating in three years. We've got some time.
Dunn: My son graduated, Shelby. He graduated from Tuscarora. He will be going
back there for two years so while everybody is sitting there. I don't know if you were at
Tuscarora or not, but they were singing the goodbye songs and I am sitting there dry eyes.
For once, I have a dry eye at graduation because he will be back there, but he went through
the process of going through graduation with his classmates. He was very proud to get his
diploma and he liked the pictures. It was nice to see, but we will still be there for a few
more years. Thanks for letting me share that.
Burk: I also met with Shye Gilad today. I forgot to mention that.
17. MANAGER'S COMMENTS
Mr. Dentler had no comments.
18. ADJOURNMENT
On a motion by Council Member Martinez, seconded by Council Member Butler, the meeting
was adjourned at 9:17 p.m.
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