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Council Work Session April 21, 2014
Council Chambers, 25 West Market Street, 7:30 p.m. Mayor Kristen C. Umstattd
presiding.
Council Members Present: David Butler, Thomas Dunn, Katie Sheldon Hammler,
Marty Martinez, Kevin Wright and Mayor Umstattd.
Council Members Absent: Kelly Burk. Mayor Umstattd arrived at 7:35 p.m.
Staff Present: Deputy Town Manager Kaj Dentler, Town Attorney Jeanette Irby,
Assistant Town Manager Scott Parker, Director of Planning and Zoning Susan Berry
Hill, Deputy Director of Planning and Zoning Brian Boucher, Chief of Police Joseph
Price, Director of Economic Development Marantha Edwards, and Clerk of Council
Lee Ann Green
AGENDA ITEMS
1. Work Session Items for Discussion
a. Downtown Improvements Update
Scott Parker gave a brief presentation on the status of the Downtown
Improvements Project.
Key Points:
• Met with Consultants and received/discussed concepts for the
marketing campaign
• Established meetings with King Street businesses/leaders to discuss
marketing/communication concepts for feedback
• Awarded Loudoun Street Waterline construction contract—will start
work(night work) after Flower and Garden Festival
• Schedule is being developed for the King Street(between Royal and
Loudoun) section of the improvements
• Next steps include:
o Finalizing plans for Loudoun Street between Harrison and the
East End Triangle
o Pre-construction meetings with business and property owners for
work that will start after Flower and Garden
o Finalize marketing concepts and marketing timeline
Council Comments/Questions:
• Will the PVC pipes be cut back?
Staff answer: That is part of the automatic watering system and will be
cut back going forward.
b. Noise Ordinance
Council Comments/Questions:
• The Commonwealth's Attorney's office has reviewed the draft
ordinance and found it to be constitutional.
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• Is the current ordinance constitutional?
Staff answer: As far as staff is aware, it is constitutional.
• Number of noise complaints in the Historic District rose sharply during
calendar year 2012. Previous to that, there were around 11-13 per year,
but rose to 30 in 2012 and 38 in 2013.
• If the draft ordinance is changed to require a permit for amplification,
then amplification and the reasons for such needs to be more clearly
defined
• Permits could help with instances of persistent infringement
• Decibel standard has limits as background noise can register as 45-50
decibels
• Business to business needs to be dealt with as well
• Would it be helpful to increase the class of the misdemeanor with
regards to enforcement?
Staff answer: The higher number of the misdemeanor, the smaller the
offense. As a Class II misdemeanor, someone has the potential to go to
jail. Whoever is charged and ultimately convicted, will have a criminal
record and potentially face jail time.
• Would like to give the businesses and residents time to come up with
something they can both live with by working together
• Current ordinance is unfriendly to businesses.
• Current and proposed ordinance will effectively ban outdoor music
• Current ordinance is not enforced
Staff answer: The goal is to solve the problem without court action.
• May need to address a mixed use area
• Is there a possibility of a combination of criminal and civil offense?
• Proposed ordinance needs further work—there are some
inconsistencies
• A truck may be 75 decibels, but it passes by quickly. How irritating a
noise is depends on the quality of the noise and how long it goes on
• Leaving the current ordinance in place gives all the authority to the
residents for the success or failure of these businesses
• Does the Frederick, Maryland ordinance allow amplified music
outdoors?
Staff answer: Not in establishments serving alcohol.
• Concern that with the proposed ordinance we may be driving residents
into their homes
• Currently an amplification permit is required, but has not been enforced
—need to know what the Town Manager's office would recommend
from a permitting standpoint
Staff answer: These permits are usually used for events that require
loudspeakers such as political campaign events
• How does this affect First Friday as it goes to 9 p.m.?
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It was Council consensus to bring this back for further discussion at the
June 9 work session to allow time for staff to answer the Council's questions
and to get feedback from the community. Further, the current ordinance
should be enforced until changes are made.
c. Parking Payment in Lieu
Brian Boucher stated that the last time Council discussed Payment in
Lieu, it was referred to the Economic Development Commission(EDC) for
their feedback.
Key Points:
• Brought before the EDC at their March meeting
o They did not want to make a recommendation on payment in
lieu until they had more information on the Comprehensive
Parking Plan
o At the April meeting, they discussed payment in lieu again and
recommended to Council that the Comprehensive Parking
Program be set before they determine what the payment in lieu
fee should be
• Increase in cost of living since 1987 was 107%. What could be bought
for$3,000 in 1987 will cost$6,200 today
• Construction cost index has gone up by 119% (the cost of building)
• Could create a pro-rata for a parking facility
Council Comments/Questions:
• Payment in lieu does not ensure a reserved parking space
• In order to figure out a possible fee, the cost of a space needs to be
calculated as well as how often that space would turn over
• There is some cost recovery that should be applied as some revenue is
achieved from parking garage fees and parking meters
• If a parking garage is built, the taxpayers would have to foot most of the
bill since not enough has been collected to pay for it
• Should look at the capacity based on the type of development that
Council is seeking
• Reject the idea that development should pay for all the parking—
existing street parking is free
• Agree with the idea of catching up with inflation
• In looking at the Comprehensive Parking Plan, will need to determine
what future needs are
• Should make parking garages by-right throughout Town
d. County Referral—Tuscarora Crossing
Susan Berry Hill presented staff's referral comments for the proposed
county Tuscarora Crossing development.
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Key Points:
• Fourth submission
• Residential units is down by one unit from the last submission to 576
• Initial submission included 720 residential units in the first submission
• Unit type has changed from 312 single family detached down to 159
and 265 single family attached has increased to 417 units.
• Increase in neighborhood retail component from 23,000 to 85,000
square feet
• Project still shows an elementary school site that would be dedicated to
the county
• Increased acreage dedicated to PD-IP (planned light industrial) uses
and shows 15 acres of PD-GI (planned heavier industrial) uses.
• Scheduled for the County Planning Commission on May 5
Council Comments/Questions:
• Is the increase in industrial acreage a direct result of the reduction in
residential?
Staff answer: PD-IP and PD-GI can include office uses and other
employment uses. They have included the neighborhood retail as
another way to include more employment uses
• Kincaid residents will see the increase in PD-IP and PD-GI acreage as a
loss
Staff answer: This property has been designated for employment uses
since at least 2005.
• Have no problem with staff sending this letter at the staff level
• Should disclose that the residents prefer more residential than industrial
uses
• Could someone get clarification that the position expressed has been
that of the Kincaid HOA
• Is it appropriate to comment on impacts to Rt. 7?
Staff answer: The traffic impact analysis has been reviewed and
comments are incorporated into comment letter
• Where would the children go to middle and high school?
Staff answer: Will have to get back to you.
• Good balance of residential/non-residential
• Who will be building this leg of Kincaid Boulevard/Cross Trail
Boulevard?
Staff answer: County may be building Kincaid as part of their complex.
• Who will want to cross major roads to get to the neighborhood retail?
• Would like a plan with less residential as that area was not planned for
that
• The town and the county has been burned by proffers tied to units built
It was agreed that staff should revise the letter to reflect tonight's
discussion and bring it back for a vote tomorrow night.
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2. Additions to Future Council Meetings
Council Member Hammier would like to have a text amendment to credit for
non-historic demolished space as opposed to what is planned. This was agreed to be
put on the "to be scheduled" section of the calendar.
Vice Mayor Butler asked for a memo update on the Oaklawn project with
respect to the proffers.
Council Member Dunn asked for a letter asking the county to fund all bus lines
in town. There were not four votes to have this as a work session discussion. It was
agreed that this could be part of the larger discussion about all the things that the
County should be funding. He expressed concern that his proposed work session item
regarding online registration at Ida Lee became an information memo that contained
suggestions and that an individual was making policy whereas the policy makers
should be making policy.
3. Adjournment
On a motion by Council Member Wright, seconded by Vice Mayor Butler, the meeting
was adjourned at 10:38 p.m.
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