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HomeMy Public PortalAboutAAC Minutes 1996 08/07THE CITY OF McCALL AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES OF AUGUST 7 , 1 9 9 6 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Tucker at 12:08 p.m. in the Toothman-Orton Conference Room above McCall Air Taxi. Members present were Tucker, Anderson, Fereday, Saleen and Colburn. Staff: Points Minutes of the July 3, 1996 meeting were read and approved after much discussion on the way they were written. The Committee would like better and more detailed minutes of each of their meetings. Chief Points gave the Committee an update on the ASOS, which the National Weather Service is going to put in at the McCall Airport. Points informed the Committee that the chances of it going in this year look really good. Points has a complete site survey report that has been signed by the Mayor and returned to Kansas City, whom he called and it has been received. Points has three questions on the site survey report - 1. It didn't indicate that the sensors would be set on spools because of the snow depth. 2. Tim Ross called from the National Weather Service in Salt Lake and asked about a taxiway because we didn't plow it. Points informed him it was for ski planes and Ross questioned if that was kosher to land on a taxiway. Dale informed him, that there are some things we do around here we just don't question - we've done it for years and it works for us. It may not be what everyone else does, but it works for us. Ross stated, let's leave it alone. 3. Ross also had a question on access to the ASOS should it need some kind of repairs. Points informed him that the Fire Department has snowmobiles and the last time something needed repairs the fellow cross country skied out there. Chief Points passed out four copies of the site survey for the Committee to review, these copies have to be returned. Sent with the survey was a letter with the instructions as to what had to be done, in what particular sequence, to whom all of this paperwork went, how many copies of each and what the process was. All this has been done at this time, the only person Dale has not heard back from is Bernie Flagg in Silver Springs, Maryland, apparently he coordinates the whole thing. He has been out of town and will return late this afternoon our time. Dale will let him know all the copies have been signed and sent out. The license for the real property was the primary concern, which they needed two originals signed and sent back to the lady in Kansas City. We should hear back from her anytime. Dale handed out a little booklet that basically shows pictures of the existing area and what is going to be there and what the process is. Merrill Saleen asked about the capability of this new piece of machinery. Tucker commented that it does about everything a piece of machinery of this kind can do. Dale mentioned that at this time it does not have a lightening indicator, backup generator or third sensing unit- it only has two indicators instead of three, but it is a full type 1 ASOS. The second and third indicators are backup indicators that all do the same thing to make sure things are right. Chairman Tucker had one question on the backup generator, he wanted to know if this was our responsibility. Dale stated that it is not in the plans right now and if we wanted to put one in we could, but it would probably cost $4,000.00 - $5,000.00 and it would be better to do LP then Diesel, then you don't have to worry about jelling and fuel problems. A question was brought up about repairs. Dale informed the committee that the ASOS belongs to the National Weather Service and any updates or repairs they do, we have no cost except to furnish the power to it. Dale informed the Committee that the only other question someone had was that in the report it states that the City of McCall and the State Aeronautics would remove the existing AWOS before construction would start on the new ASOS. It should state that they were going to put the ASOS in and then remove the AWOS. This comment has been sent to Kansas City and they are going to correct it. The ASOS is going to be installed around what we have now because they have sufficient space to do that. Wayne Pickerill has stated that the State will pay to remove the AWOS and they will find another place for it. Chief Points updated the Committee on the weed spraying, which has not been done yet. The City forgot about it, but it is now back on their agenda. Chairman Tucker said he has seen a couple of ATV's out there doing some spraying, but Dale stated this was the County spraying for Naptha weed and Canadian Thistle. The City was to spray the cracks. Chief Points had a few more comments under Staff Reports. He informed the Committee that "NO PARKING" has been painted in front of the new fire station at the airport with red stripes in front of the doors. Chief Points informed the Committee that CAP is going to have a planned exercise here on August 24, 25 & 26 and they are going to use the little building at the airport. He also informed the Committee that at their last exercise they made a nuisance of themselves at Pioneer by keeping them there after hours and were very insistent about things that were not Pioneers responsibility to provide for them. Dale feels we need to make some rules as to where they are going, what they do and what the FBO's responsibilities toward CAP are. Chief Points also stated that the last time they were here he had opened up a building, turned on the heat, put in five phone lines all within three hours, they looked at it, did not like it and left. That is when they basically took over Pioneers total operation with absolute disregard for their business. It was suggested that we have CAP come to us and tell us what they need. Chairman Tucker stated that he knows someone at the State Bureau of Aeronautics, he will call him and tell him what our problem is since these searches are triggered by the State. Chief Points stated that as soon as the fire station is complete, they will be able to use one of the meeting rooms. OLD BUSINESS: Chief Points updated the Committee on AIP6 FY97. He has written a letter to Chuck Sundby in regards to the instructions from the City Council to the staff, which was to proceed with the detailed scope for AIP6 FY97. So the process is in the works. Chairman Tucker has spoken to Dave Rickerson about safety at the end of the runway. AIP6 FY97 hinges on us making a correction of our safety area. It appears the way this is going to happen is that we will move the existing threshold on 1 6 approximately 70 feet to the south and they originally wanted to tear up the new pavement and move the forest service taxiway 70 feet back, but Tucker thinks we have them convinced this is not a good idea. The concern is that people are going to use the blacktop for take off and they will even if it is moved. Chairman Tucker stated that if we do not satisfy Mr. Trujillo's safety concerns it is going to hold up our AIP. It appears also, if necessary, we could extend the south end of the runway about 400 feet without having to move alot of dirt. Rickerson's Company looked into this to see if this extra 400 feet would allow somebody to land that cannot land now and the answer is "no" it won't open the field up to any larger aircraft. Tucker also stated that Rickerson and Sundby are talking to a fellow by the name of Steve (forgot his last name) who deals with these types of issues. Trujillo doesn't seem to want to spend any money out of our AIP unless it is something he observes to be a huge problem. We are trying to satisfy him, spend the least amount of money and find something that works for everyone. We are still in the talking stages, nothing has been approved yet. Rickerson will be here on August 20th. Chairman Tucker feels we are going to solve the problem in a simple way and it is going to cost us $1,500.00 for painting and a couple of light bulbs. This is not a complete solution, but it will allow us to go ahead with our AIP otherwise we are going to loose a whole year. Chief Points updated the Committee on the Reil project. Installation on 3-4 is complete, the lights are in, the boxes are there, the maintenance road is in and paved. They moved the building last week, but the FAA has lost the name of the contractor they contracted with to pour the concrete to set the building on. They are now starting over with hiring someone to do the concrete work and set the little control room for the Reil on the pad. A question was brought up about Rathem and Dale stated that they do the installation of the actual lights, but the FAA is responsible for setting the control box, etc. There was also a question brought up about the day time lights and Dale will find out about that. The Committee asked Dale about the job Alert did painting the tie downs and if he was going to correct it. Dale has spoken to Alert and was told they did what they could. Dale informed Alert that they would probably not be considered for any projects in the future. The Committee asked Dale if he had gotten a hold of Rick Baird in Haily about getting a card for the Military Surplus Program. Dale stated that Chuck Sundby is trying to get in contact with him. Chief Points informed the Committee that the airport compliance report was filled out and returned to Cayla Morgan, so that should be complete now. NEW BUSINESS: Chief Points informed the Committee that we should have a copy of the final recommendations from the City on the airport budget tomorrow night. Dale will get copies to everyone, so they can look at it and get some input back to the City before the final budget session which will be on August 29th. Mike Anderson made a comment that when he went to the City budget meeting he felt very ill prepared and suggested that next year the Committee have more input into the budget process at the normally scheduled meeting prior to the City budget meeting. This lead into a lengthy discussion on how the Committee is not involved enough in some of the decisions that are made regarding the airport. The Committee seems to do alot of the ground work, but when it comes to final decisions they are not included. Chairman Tucker stated that Dale is getting on top of the paperwork that is coming out of Jim's office, regarding the budget, so the Committee can understand it better, line items, etc. This lead into another lengthy discussion on where the revenue from personal property hangar taxes is going. Some of the Committee does not feel we are receiving our full share. Dale stated that according to the new law that is in Congress the City cannot use that money any place else other then the airport as long as they are involved in getting government grants. The monies generated by the airport have to stay on the airport for the operation of the airport. Chairman Tucker stated that this is also the definition of an enterprise fund, which is what the airport is. Dale is already working with Harley on the airport levy amount since the City gets one lump sum amount and Jim is not sure how it is broken down. Chief Points informed the Committee that Cory McCandlis would like to bring his TLS to McCall and demonstrate it. He is not available for our next three scheduled meetings, but we could have a special meeting. The Committee agreed that the best time to have this meeting would be after the 25th of August and before the 5th of October. The Idaho Aviation Association will be here the last weekend in September, so that might be a good time to have it. Chief Points will get in touch with McCandlis. Chief Points informed the Committee that Mr. Saleen has indicated that the bomber pilots would like to use a 360 overhead approach at the airport. They need to officially request this and get it approved and in the airport facilities directory. After much discussion on this subject, Merrill will get something to Dale and the Committee will help in any way they can. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 2:30 pm. Tom Tucker Chairman