HomeMy Public PortalAboutAAC Minutes 1996 08/07THE CITY OF McCALL
AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MINUTES OF AUGUST 7 , 1 9 9 6
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Tucker at 12:08 p.m.
in the Toothman-Orton Conference Room above McCall Air Taxi.
Members present were Tucker, Anderson, Fereday, Saleen and
Colburn.
Staff: Points
Minutes of the July 3, 1996 meeting were read and approved after
much discussion on the way they were written. The Committee
would like better and more detailed minutes of each of their
meetings.
Chief Points gave the Committee an update on the ASOS, which the
National Weather Service is going to put in at the McCall
Airport. Points informed the Committee that the chances of it
going in this year look really good. Points has a complete site
survey report that has been signed by the Mayor and returned to
Kansas City, whom he called and it has been received. Points has
three questions on the site survey report - 1. It didn't
indicate that the sensors would be set on spools because of the
snow depth. 2. Tim Ross called from the National Weather
Service in Salt Lake and asked about a taxiway because we didn't
plow it. Points informed him it was for ski planes and Ross
questioned if that was kosher to land on a taxiway. Dale
informed him, that there are some things we do around here we
just don't question - we've done it for years and it works for
us. It may not be what everyone else does, but it works for us.
Ross stated, let's leave it alone. 3. Ross also had a question
on access to the ASOS should it need some kind of repairs.
Points informed him that the Fire Department has snowmobiles and
the last time something needed repairs the fellow cross country
skied out there. Chief Points passed out four copies of the site
survey for the Committee to review, these copies have to be
returned. Sent with the survey was a letter with the
instructions as to what had to be done, in what particular
sequence, to whom all of this paperwork went, how many copies of
each and what the process was. All this has been done at this
time, the only person Dale has not heard back from is Bernie
Flagg in Silver Springs, Maryland, apparently he coordinates the
whole thing. He has been out of town and will return late this
afternoon our time. Dale will let him know all the copies have
been signed and sent out. The license for the real property was
the primary concern, which they needed two originals signed and
sent back to the lady in Kansas City. We should hear back from
her anytime. Dale handed out a little booklet that basically
shows pictures of the existing area and what is going to be there
and what the process is. Merrill Saleen asked about the
capability of this new piece of machinery. Tucker commented that
it does about everything a piece of machinery of this kind can
do. Dale mentioned that at this time it does not have a
lightening indicator, backup generator or third sensing unit- it
only has two indicators instead of three, but it is a full type 1
ASOS. The second and third indicators are backup indicators that
all do the same thing to make sure things are right. Chairman
Tucker had one question on the backup generator, he wanted to
know if this was our responsibility. Dale stated that it is not
in the plans right now and if we wanted to put one in we could,
but it would probably cost $4,000.00 - $5,000.00 and it would be
better to do LP then Diesel, then you don't have to worry about
jelling and fuel problems. A question was brought up about
repairs. Dale informed the committee that the ASOS belongs to
the National Weather Service and any updates or repairs they do,
we have no cost except to furnish the power to it. Dale informed
the Committee that the only other question someone had was that
in the report it states that the City of McCall and the State
Aeronautics would remove the existing AWOS before construction
would start on the new ASOS. It should state that they were
going to put the ASOS in and then remove the AWOS. This comment
has been sent to Kansas City and they are going to correct it.
The ASOS is going to be installed around what we have now because
they have sufficient space to do that. Wayne Pickerill has
stated that the State will pay to remove the AWOS and they will
find another place for it.
Chief Points updated the Committee on the weed spraying, which
has not been done yet. The City forgot about it, but it is now
back on their agenda. Chairman Tucker said he has seen a couple
of ATV's out there doing some spraying, but Dale stated this was
the County spraying for Naptha weed and Canadian Thistle. The
City was to spray the cracks.
Chief Points had a few more comments under Staff Reports. He
informed the Committee that "NO PARKING" has been painted in
front of the new fire station at the airport with red stripes in
front of the doors.
Chief Points informed the Committee that CAP is going to have a
planned exercise here on August 24, 25 & 26 and they are going to
use the little building at the airport. He also informed the
Committee that at their last exercise they made a nuisance of
themselves at Pioneer by keeping them there after hours and were
very insistent about things that were not Pioneers responsibility
to provide for them. Dale feels we need to make some rules as to
where they are going, what they do and what the FBO's
responsibilities toward CAP are. Chief Points also stated that
the last time they were here he had opened up a building, turned
on the heat, put in five phone lines all within three hours, they
looked at it, did not like it and left. That is when they
basically took over Pioneers total operation with absolute
disregard for their business. It was suggested that we have CAP
come to us and tell us what they need. Chairman Tucker stated
that he knows someone at the State Bureau of Aeronautics, he will
call him and tell him what our problem is since these searches
are triggered by the State. Chief Points stated that as soon as
the fire station is complete, they will be able to use one of the
meeting rooms.
OLD BUSINESS:
Chief Points updated the Committee on AIP6 FY97. He has written
a letter to Chuck Sundby in regards to the instructions from the
City Council to the staff, which was to proceed with the detailed
scope for AIP6 FY97. So the process is in the works. Chairman
Tucker has spoken to Dave Rickerson about safety at the end of
the runway. AIP6 FY97 hinges on us making a correction of our
safety area. It appears the way this is going to happen is that
we will move the existing threshold on 1 6 approximately 70 feet
to the south and they originally wanted to tear up the new
pavement and move the forest service taxiway 70 feet back, but
Tucker thinks we have them convinced this is not a good idea.
The concern is that people are going to use the blacktop for take
off and they will even if it is moved. Chairman Tucker stated
that if we do not satisfy Mr. Trujillo's safety concerns it is
going to hold up our AIP. It appears also, if necessary, we
could extend the south end of the runway about 400 feet without
having to move alot of dirt. Rickerson's Company looked into
this to see if this extra 400 feet would allow somebody to land
that cannot land now and the answer is "no" it won't open the
field up to any larger aircraft. Tucker also stated that
Rickerson and Sundby are talking to a fellow by the name of Steve
(forgot his last name) who deals with these types of issues.
Trujillo doesn't seem to want to spend any money out of our AIP
unless it is something he observes to be a huge problem. We are
trying to satisfy him, spend the least amount of money and find
something that works for everyone. We are still in the talking
stages, nothing has been approved yet. Rickerson will be here on
August 20th. Chairman Tucker feels we are going to solve the
problem in a simple way and it is going to cost us $1,500.00 for
painting and a couple of light bulbs. This is not a complete
solution, but it will allow us to go ahead with our AIP otherwise
we are going to loose a whole year.
Chief Points updated the Committee on the Reil project.
Installation on 3-4 is complete, the lights are in, the boxes are
there, the maintenance road is in and paved. They moved the
building last week, but the FAA has lost the name of the
contractor they contracted with to pour the concrete to set the
building on. They are now starting over with hiring someone to
do the concrete work and set the little control room for the Reil
on the pad. A question was brought up about Rathem and Dale
stated that they do the installation of the actual lights, but
the FAA is responsible for setting the control box, etc. There
was also a question brought up about the day time lights and Dale
will find out about that.
The Committee asked Dale about the job Alert did painting the tie
downs and if he was going to correct it. Dale has spoken to
Alert and was told they did what they could. Dale informed Alert
that they would probably not be considered for any projects in
the future.
The Committee asked Dale if he had gotten a hold of Rick Baird in
Haily about getting a card for the Military Surplus Program.
Dale stated that Chuck Sundby is trying to get in contact with
him.
Chief Points informed the Committee that the airport compliance
report was filled out and returned to Cayla Morgan, so that
should be complete now.
NEW BUSINESS:
Chief Points informed the Committee that we should have a copy of
the final recommendations from the City on the airport budget
tomorrow night. Dale will get copies to everyone, so they can
look at it and get some input back to the City before the final
budget session which will be on August 29th. Mike Anderson made a
comment that when he went to the City budget meeting he felt very
ill prepared and suggested that next year the Committee have more
input into the budget process at the normally scheduled meeting
prior to the City budget meeting. This lead into a lengthy
discussion on how the Committee is not involved enough in some of
the decisions that are made regarding the airport. The Committee
seems to do alot of the ground work, but when it comes to final
decisions they are not included. Chairman Tucker stated that
Dale is getting on top of the paperwork that is coming out of
Jim's office, regarding the budget, so the Committee can
understand it better, line items, etc. This lead into another
lengthy discussion on where the revenue from personal property
hangar taxes is going. Some of the Committee does not feel we
are receiving our full share. Dale stated that according to the
new law that is in Congress the City cannot use that money any
place else other then the airport as long as they are involved in
getting government grants. The monies generated by the airport
have to stay on the airport for the operation of the airport.
Chairman Tucker stated that this is also the definition of an
enterprise fund, which is what the airport is. Dale is already
working with Harley on the airport levy amount since the City
gets one lump sum amount and Jim is not sure how it is broken
down.
Chief Points informed the Committee that Cory McCandlis would
like to bring his TLS to McCall and demonstrate it. He is not
available for our next three scheduled meetings, but we could
have a special meeting. The Committee agreed that the best time
to have this meeting would be after the 25th of August and before
the 5th of October. The Idaho Aviation Association will be here
the last weekend in September, so that might be a good time to
have it. Chief Points will get in touch with McCandlis.
Chief Points informed the Committee that Mr. Saleen has indicated
that the bomber pilots would like to use a 360 overhead approach
at the airport. They need to officially request this and get it
approved and in the airport facilities directory. After much
discussion on this subject, Merrill will get something to Dale
and the Committee will help in any way they can.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at
2:30 pm.
Tom Tucker
Chairman