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1 IN THE CITY OF BRIDGETON
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9 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT RATE COMMISSION
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
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Russell Hawes - Chairman
5 Mickey Croyle
Tom Ratzki
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Mark Schoedel
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MSD Executive Director and CEO:
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Brian Hoelscher, P.E.
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Georgia Beth Long, CCR/CSR
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Illinois CSR #084-004742
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1 MR. HAWES: We're going to call this public
2 hearing to order. Good evening. I'm Russ Hawes, member
3 of the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District Rate
4 Commission. I will be presiding over the public hearing
5 this evening.
6 With me today are the following MSD Rate
7 Commission Members: Mickey Croyle, Brad Goss, Chan
8 Mahanta, Tom Ratzki -- and Mark Schoedel. Sorry. I
9 didn't have you down.
10 MR. SCHOEDEL: That's all right.
11 MR. HAWES: The charter plan of the district was
12 amended at a general election on November 7, 2000 and
13 established the Rate Commission to review and make
14 recommendations to the district regarding changes in
15 wastewater rates, stormwater rates, and tax rates
16 proposed by the district.
17 The charter plan requires the MSD Board of
18 Trustees to select organizations to ensure a fair
19 representation of all users of the district's services
20 of the Rate Commission.
21 The Rate Commission representative organizations
22 are to represent commercial, industrial users,
23 residential uses, and other organizations interested in
24 the operation of the district; including organizations
25 focusing environmental issues, labor issues,
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1 socioeconomic issues, community neighborhood
2 organizations and other nonprofit organizations.
3 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15
4 members from organizations and institutions throughout
5 St. Louis City and County.
6 On February 26, 2018, the Rate Commission
7 received a rate change notice, proposing changes to the
8 district's stormwater rates. The Rate Commission
9 adopted operational rules in a procedural schedule to
10 govern the proceedings on March 24, 2018.
11 Under the current procedural schedule, adopted by
12 the Rate Commission, the MSD Rate Commission has until
13 June 26, 2018 to review and make a recommendation to the
14 MSD Board of Trustees as to whether the proposed rate
15 should be approved, not approved, or modified with
16 suggested changes, and then approved.
17 The commission requested an extension from the
18 MSD Board of Trustees until August 10, 2018, which was
19 granted on May 1, 2018. The commission will consider on
20 May 17, 2018 a new, revised procedural schedule,
21 including the extension.
22 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged legal counsel
23 and a rate consultant, independent of those used by the
24 MSD staff.
25 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate
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1 Commission as amended, any person affected by rate
2 change proposal has an opportunity to submit an
3 application to intervene in these proceedings.
4 An application to intervene has been filed by the
5 Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers. This application
6 has been granted.
7 Since February 26, 2018, the MSD Rate Commission
8 has received testimony from MSD staff, the rate
9 consultant, and the intervener. The parties have also
10 engaged in discovery requests.
11 A prehearing conference for the purpose of
12 identifying any issues raised by the rate setting
13 documents and the prepared testimony previously
14 submitted will be conducted on the record.
15 All persons submitting testimony may participate
16 in the prehearing conference, and each participant in
17 the prehearing conference shall submit a prehearing
18 conference report, describing the issues raised by the
19 rate settings document and will hear testimony, together
20 with a brief description of each participant's position,
21 if any, on each issue and the rational therefore.
22 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are
23 permitted to participate in these on-the-record public
24 hearings conducted in six sessions beginning on May 8,
25 2018.
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1 The Rate Commission published the public notice
2 regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis Post
3 Dispatch and in the St. Louis American. These notices
4 contain the time, dates, and location for each of the
5 conferences and hearings.
6 The public hearing session tonight is for the
7 purpose of permitting the district to present its
8 stormwater rate change proposal, and permit any
9 ratepayer the opportunity to comment.
10 We will begin with the presentation by the
11 district, followed by a public comment period. Those
12 wishing to speak should sign in on the sheet provided,
13 and will be called on in the order of the names listed
14 thereon.
15 Each ratepayer should identify themselves and any
16 organizations represented by such ratepayer.
17 Now several housekeeping rules before we begin.
18 If you wish to present testimony, please sign in the on
19 the clipboard by the door. Speakers will be recognized
20 in the order in which they sign up.
21 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of 10 minutes
22 to speak, regarding the proposed rate change. As a
23 presiding officer, I can limit or expand that time
24 should I deem it necessary.
25 Restrooms are located down the hall, and I am not
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1 clear on which direction her. They are right across the
2 hall. Thank you.
3 And basically, that wraps up the housekeeping
4 rules and the opening statement. Are there any
5 questions regarding the procedure this evening from
6 anyone in attendance? Hearing none, I will turn it to
7 the district. Is the district ready to proceed?
8 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, sir. We are.
9 MR. HAWES: Please step forward.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: Does everyone have one of these?
11 No. A hard copy of this presentation? Then I will move
12 the screen along.
13 So I'm going to present MSD's staff's rate
14 proposal for stormwater funding. There's three areas
15 I'm going to cover. First, I'm going to give an
16 overview of MSD, what MSD consists of.
17 Then I'm going to talk about the existing
18 stormwater services that MSD currently provides, where
19 the revenues come from, and go over in detail the
20 stormwater proposal that MSD has put in front of the
21 Rate Commission.
22 First of all, some information about MSD in
23 general. We are a government utility. We were created
24 by an amendment to the state constitution. Our
25 regulations are governed by a charter that was approved
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1 by the voters of our district.
2 Our governance is a six-member board of trustees;
3 three appointed by the mayor of the City of St. Louis
4 and three appointed by the county executive.
5 An important point to remember, we are two
6 utilities; a wastewater utility and a stormwater
7 utility. The wastewater utility is funded by your bill
8 your wastewater bill that you receive. That's not a
9 topic that we're presenting this evening.
10 The stormwater utility currently has two funding
11 sources. What we're proposing in this rate proposal is
12 a third funding source to officer a third service.
13 MSD is a 520-square mile service area; all of the
14 City of St. Louis, and just about 90 percent of St.
15 Louis County. We have 1.3 million customers and serve
16 88 different municipalities.
17 The system has seven treatment plants for
18 wastewater, and we treat about 350 million gallons per
19 day of wastewater. You add all the sewers together, and
20 you come up with just about 10,000 miles of sewers
21 throughout the district, which makes us the fourth
22 largest sewer system in the United States.
23 The most recent action on stormwater that was
24 taken by MSD was Proposition S that was passed in April
25 2016. The issue that was addressed was unequal storm
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1 sewer operation and maintenance funding; an issue that
2 MSD has dealt with since 1989.
3 There was funding to some degree to operate and
4 maintain the public storm sewer system east of 270 and
5 east of Lindbergh. There was no money to operate and
6 maintain the public storm sewer system west of 270 and
7 west of Lindbergh.
8 Proposition S took care of that and did a couple
9 things. First of all, it eliminated all other sources
10 -- eliminated two sources of revenue and set it at zero.
11 21 different taxes that were being collected in spots
12 within the district.
13 The second thing it did was put in place a
14 10-cent property tax to allow us to operate and maintain
15 the sewer system.
16 On the next page, you see a map of the district.
17 This is just an explanation of where we currently stand
18 with stormwater funding.
19 Right now, MSD collects a 1.88 cent per $100
20 valuation in property tax to take care of regulatory
21 issues. This is pollutants that are in stormwater
22 runoff that impact the local creeks and streams.
23 That funding source has been in place since 1979,
24 prior to the passage of the Hancock amendment. And that
25 currently provides sufficient funding for MSD to provide
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1 those services.
2 The second one shows a 9.71 stormwater tax. That
3 is the Proposition S proposal. It was passed in April
4 2016, resulting in just under a 12-cent per $100
5 valuation tax to our ratepayers.
6 So we have a regulatory compliance program for
7 stormwater run off, operation and maintenance for the
8 public storm sewer system, which are inlets, manholes,
9 sewers.
10 The last thing that was left when we did
11 Proposition S, we had funds remaining in 23 different
12 funds that we used for capital work, addressing flooding
13 and erosion. If you take a look at this map, it's the
14 same map we used during Proposition S. The blue areas
15 are the district's boundaries. Each one of those dots
16 is a project that MSD has committed to do.
17 If you go on our website, the Prop S description
18 and data is still on our website. You'll see that map,
19 and you also find the spreadsheet.
20 In each one of those dots is a number. That
21 number represents a project on the spreadsheet. That
22 spreadsheet gives a problem that we're going to resolve,
23 how we're going to resolve it, where the project is, how
24 much it's going to cost, and when it's going to be done.
25 So again, $67 million-worth of work to address
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1 flooding and erosion issues throughout the district -- I
2 think you're okay with what I've covered so far.
3 So -- but the issue is once that's $67 million of
4 funding balance is gone, there is no more revenue coming
5 in to address stormwater problems, flooding, erosion
6 throughout the district. The proposal is for the voters
7 to consider providing a revenue source to provide that
8 service districtwide.
9 Just a description of the kind of stuff we're
10 talking about. One is localized flooding. This can
11 happen in a lot of ways; the way properties were graded,
12 the way they've been regraded, installation of swimming
13 pools that block backyard swales. There's a lot of
14 things that cause backyard flooding in homes that we
15 currently don't have funding to address.
16 There's regional flooding, kind of the larger
17 stuff that's usually associated with flood planes. And
18 not just the Meramec River, but we're talking about
19 areas like Deer Creek, Maline Creek, some of those
20 areas. River Des Peres, where there can be regional
21 flooding going on for folks living close to creeks and
22 streams.
23 And finally, the erosion caused by heavy rains,
24 which cause the creeks to come up and cause erosion and
25 cause property damage.
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1 The scope of the problems represented by the map
2 you see up here, we get -- we recognize there's about
3 500 unfunded erosion and flooding issues that we've
4 identified throughout the district.
5 This identification comes mostly from complaints
6 from customers; sometimes the complaints come from
7 individual municipalities to let us know about the
8 issues.
9 We estimate the total cost to fix all of these
10 issues is $562 million. These are all not the same.
11 One of these dots could represent significant erosion
12 that maybe is causing a garage to threaten to fall into
13 a creek. Some if it can be that a resident is unhappy
14 with how long stormwater sits in their backyard after a
15 rain. It's a whole scope of things.
16 The plan is to implement a stormwater capital
17 rate with a revenue source of about $30 million per
18 year. The rate is planned to be based on the amount of
19 impervious area on each customer's property.
20 The average charge for the average single family
21 home is proposed to be $2.25 per month, or $27 per year.
22 Tax-exempt entities will be subject to the
23 stormwater capital rate. That would include churches,
24 city halls, schools, the city airport. They would all
25 be charged based on the impervious area.
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1 Again we'll address the unfunded stormwater
2 issues. Estimates are that all the issues that we've
3 identified currently have be addressed in about 30
4 years. These are approximations.
5 Stormwater problems have a habit of disappearing,
6 and then sometimes other ones showing up. A lot of
7 times, it depends on the opinion of the individual
8 property owners who are being impacted.
9 Creeks and streams will remain private as they
10 are right now. And the food plane management
11 responsibility to control development will sit with the
12 flood plane managers and the individual municipalities
13 as it does now.
14 What is impervious area? It's a hard surface,
15 such as a concrete blacktop, roofs, hard compacted
16 gravel that doesn't absorb stormwater such as bare
17 ground would with grass cover. It generates stormwater
18 runoff. The water hits and runs directly off.
19 The flooding and erosion services being proposed
20 are directly impacted by the volume of stormwater that's
21 created by these impervious areas.
22 Staff's opinion that the fairest way to determine
23 the revenue contribution of each property is through a
24 impervious area measurement method. That's a method
25 that's used broadly throughout the United States to
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1 reduce revenue for these types of programs.
2 For a little reminder, about 10 years ago, MSD
3 attempted to institute an impervious-based rate without
4 a vote of the people. It was felt that this was a rate,
5 kind of similar to what states have done throughout the
6 rest of country.
7 We were sued over that, it went through the
8 Supreme Court. And in the end, it was decided that if
9 we put an impervious rate, such as what we had in place,
10 we would have to vote on it. Because we didn't vote on
11 it, the Supreme Court found that we could not use just a
12 rate -- a separate rate for the wastewater system.
13 So how are we going to calculate this? We're
14 going to base it on the amount of impervious area.
15 You'll hear the term ERU, which is an equivalent
16 residential unit.
17 The equivalent residential unit has a median
18 amount of impervious area. For residential customers in
19 MSD's boundaries, that's about 2600 square feet of
20 impervious area per lot.
21 The proposed rate was determined by taking the
22 recommended capital improvement program, or about $30
23 million and divided by the estimated number of ERUs
24 within our service area. When you do that calculation,
25 you come up with a number of $2.25 per ERU, or
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1 equivalent residential unit.
2 That breaks down in more detail exactly how
3 everybody is impacted. The single-family residential
4 customers are going to be calculated using a four-tier
5 system. The difference is going to be in the amount of
6 impervious area. So you're going to be put into
7 buckets, depending on the range of the impervious area
8 on your property.
9 If you look under the second bullet, under tiers,
10 there will be a Tier 1. If your residential property
11 has between 200 and 2,000 square feet of impervious
12 area, the proposal is to bill you $1.42 per month for
13 the stormwater program. That represents about one
14 quarter of MSD's residential customers.
15 If your property is between 2,010 and 3,600
16 square feet of pervious area, MSD's proposal is to
17 charge those residential properties $2.25 per month.
18 That tier contains about one half of MSD's residential
19 customers. 2,600 square feet is just about the median
20 for the St. Louis area for the residential customers.
21 Tier 3, if you have a larger property, more
22 impervious area, between 3,601 and 6,000 square feet,
23 the charge is $3.74 per month.
24 And a larger property, Tier 4 any residential
25 property that has at least 6,000 square feet of
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1 impervious area, the proposal is to charge them $6.84
2 per month.
3 Those are residential customers, which represent
4 about 450,000 accounts. There are 50,000 other accounts
5 that are multi-family, commercials, and other
6 nonresidential.
7 We're not going to put them in tiers. We're
8 going to bill them per ERU. As I said before, an ERU is
9 2,600 square feet. So for an example, if a customer --
10 as you see up on the screen here -- they have 10,000
11 square feet -- this is a nonresidential -- 10,000 square
12 feet of impervious area. If you divide that by 2,600,
13 which is one ERU, you come up with 3.85.
14 If you round that up to 4, and since we're
15 billing $2.25 per ERU, four times $2.25 would be $9.00
16 per month, would be the charge for that particular
17 commercial property.
18 The first full year of revenue collection would
19 be from July 1, 2021 through June 30, 2022. We will
20 actually start collecting the revenues, though, in
21 January 2020.
22 The total revenues for the single family
23 residential customers under this formula will bring in
24 just half of the $30 million per year program. The
25 revenue from the nonresidential customers will bring in
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1 just over half, or $16.2 million.
2 How frequently we're going to bill. The
3 stormwater capital rate will appear on the monthly bill
4 of any customer that are currently billed for
5 wastewater. That's about 90 percent of our overall
6 customers, if this passes.
7 There are about 50,000 properties who do not
8 receive wastewater services from MSD, and thus, don't
9 receive a monthly bill.
10 If there are customers who are not billed for
11 wastewater, but their properties contain more than 20
12 ERUs, we will bill them monthly. They will also start
13 getting a monthly bill, which they have never gotten
14 before.
15 Any other customers, be they residential or
16 commercial property, with less than 20 ERUs, our plan is
17 to bill them quarterly. The reason for is just cost
18 effectiveness. The average residential customer is
19 going to get billed $2.25 per month for stormwater. If
20 that's the only bill they get from us, it's not
21 cost-effective for us to go through the cost of sending
22 out a $2.25 per month bill. So we're going to send
23 those bills out quarterly.
24 There is a incentive programs that's built into
25 the process. The easiest way to get an incentive is to
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1 decrease the amount of impervious surfaces that you
2 have.
3 Green roofs, or other kinds of engineered
4 pervious areas are not billable. For instance, if you
5 have a concrete patio, and you convert that to an
6 engineered pervious paver patio, that will be counted as
7 impervious area.
8 How does that reflect itself? If you're a
9 residential customer, you would have to remove enough
10 impervious area to drop you into another tier. If
11 you're not a nonresidential, customer you would need to
12 remove enough pervious area, at least 2,600 square feet,
13 to eliminate and ERU on your property.
14 Stormwater that's running off of properties that
15 go directly to large rivers or other equivalents -- for
16 instance, homes that are along the Missouri River or the
17 Mississippi River or the Meramec River, and the runoff
18 goes directly to those large rivers, we're proposing a
19 70 percent credit on the rate.
20 There's an incentive for best management
21 practices. We currently have some design standards for
22 what we do for green infrastructure. On a residential
23 customer, per our standards, if they were to build a
24 best management practice that collected water from
25 500-square feet of impervious area, they would get an
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1 incentive payment of $135 once they complete that work.
2 On a commercial area, for every ERU that's
3 treated with the best management practice, we're
4 proposing a 50 percent credit for every ERU that's
5 captured by a best management practice.
6 We also have a low impact development criteria,
7 which is 35 percent credit. If you have a lot size
8 that's greater than three acres, and the amount of
9 impervious area is less than 15 percent of the parcel
10 size, you get a 35 percent credit. This is a system
11 that mirrors environmentally sensitive development and
12 is currently a standard out there to provide this type
13 of credit.
14 The timeline for the stormwater capital rate
15 proposal, again, I'm kind of mimicking some of the
16 information that was provided by the chair of the Rate
17 Commission.
18 The proposal was submitted by staff to the Rate
19 Commission on February 26, 2018. The Rate Commission
20 now has 165 days, which includes a 45-day extension
21 recently approved by the Board of Trustees, to review
22 proposal and make a recommendation to MSD's Board of
23 Trustees.
24 There will be technical meetings through June and
25 July 2018. There is a currently schedule, but if you
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1 wanted to keep track of how what that schedule looks,
2 you can do that by going to www.stlmsd.com. And there
3 are updates of exactly when those meetings will occur
4 and where they will occur at.
5 There will be public hearings such as this. If
6 you notice, we're on second public hearing. There's
7 five more that are going to be scheduled. Four are
8 scheduled, there's one more yet to be scheduled in June.
9 Under that current schedule, assuming the Rate
10 Commission takes advantage of the extension offered by
11 the board, the Rate Commission should deliver to the
12 Board of Trustees their recommendation in August.
13 If that's approved, MSD's Board of Trustees will
14 take the last part of calendar year 2018 to consider the
15 recommendation of the Rate Commission. And assuming we
16 move forward, if we're going to move forward with the
17 public vote, it will probably occur in April 2019; with
18 the new rate, as I previously mentioned, becoming
19 effective in January 2020.
20 So that is it for the stormwater. That's the
21 proposal for stormwater. I do want to touch briefly on
22 wastewater. As I said, it's two utilities. And we
23 usually do the rate proposals together. In this case,
24 we've done them separately; stormwater first.
25 There will be wastewater proposal next year,
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1 which is the largest part of the bill you get from MSD.
2 Just so you know, it's scheduled. MSD staff will begin
3 that rate proposal development this summer.
4 Rate Commission meetings are scheduled to begin
5 in September 2018, with staff presenting to the Rate
6 Commission a wastewater proposal in February or March of
7 2019. That will start almost the same process you see
8 now, consisting on the Rate Commission considering the
9 proposals, public meetings, Rate Commission making a
10 recommendation to our board.
11 If all that happens, we should have the work of
12 the Rate Commission and the board done by the end of
13 calendar 2019. And any votes that are needed after
14 there would occur after that. All this information will
15 be up on our website and also be advertised once we get
16 to that point.
17 Here's more information, or any questions Lance
18 LeComb is our manager of public information. He's the
19 spokesperson. There's his phone number, there's also an
20 e-mail address. Any information he gets, he will
21 forward to our Rate Commission.
22 There's also a Rate Commission address and
23 information on the website, if you want to send
24 something directly to the Rate Commission.
25 Again, this is a Rate Commission process. Any
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1 information we'll make sure we forward to the Rate
2 Commission. That is the end of MSD's presentation, Mr.
3 Chairman.
4 MR. HAWES: Thank you. We would like to open the
5 public hearing to take any comments from the public.
6 Are there any questions for MSD or the Rate Commission?
7 Anyone who signed up.
8 MR. HOELSCHER: You are the only person from the
9 public here. I thought you would like you to know that.
10 No pressure.
11 MS. CROYLE: Thank you for coming.
12 MR. HOELSCHER: Very knowledgeable person, by the
13 way, in this industry.
14 MR. POLK: Just keeping track of all of you.
15 MR. HAWES: Are there any questions from the Rate
16 Commission regarding the presentation from Mr. Hoelscher
17 and MSD? Very good.
18 MR. GOSS: Will you be buying out structures that
19 are in flood planes? And if so, what's the program to
20 do that that may be in place that you're contemplating?
21 MR. HOELSCHER: So right now, as we do with the
22 taxes we collected before, there's a program we already
23 do.
24 Homes that have the highest benefit cost/ratio
25 against all other stormwater problems, they have the
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1 highest ratio. We will go in, we will buy homes out of
2 flooding areas. Right now, we're talking about homes
3 that are right now are existing in two- and five-year
4 flood planes. Those are the kind of the areas we're
5 buying right now.
6 The protocol for doing that is once we purchase
7 the homes, MSD has been successful at making sure the
8 actual ownership of the homes goes to adjacent property
9 owners, possibly go to the cities. But once we do that,
10 we take the property and we put an easement over the
11 entire property that prevents any future development.
12 The theory behind that up to this point has been
13 for us to allow the flood plane to act as a flood plane
14 during the rain events.
15 MR. GOSS: Thank you.
16 MR. HAWES: Any further questions for Rate
17 Commission members?
18 MS. CROYLE: I guess a question I have is with
19 the flood planes, there's always the issue in
20 communities of giving allowances to build on flood
21 planes. Is there any way of keeping that from
22 happening?
23 MR. HOELSCHER: So MSD's regulatory authority
24 consists of assuring that any structures built in flood
25 planes don't result in a rise in the creek levels.
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1 All governance having to do with not just new
2 development, but allowing the repair of a development
3 within flood planes sit with the flood plane managers,
4 which are the individual municipalities and the county.
5 Since the question comes up, we also have no
6 regulatory authority over, for instance, the levies that
7 protect along the Missouri River, that protect
8 Chesterfield Valley. That's between the entities who
9 own the property, as well as the Corp of Engineers.
10 So MSD's authority is very, very limited. Do we
11 have an interest? We do. Not just for servicing our
12 customers, for those who may be in these areas, but any
13 area that is in a flood plane is getting sanitary sewer
14 service. And when that area floods or the sanitary
15 sewers flood and cause problems with a lot of other
16 homes and overflows in the system. So there is a
17 unique, very beneficial side -- a benefit of having a
18 program like that.
19 MR. RATZKI: I have a question about maintenance,
20 you talked about the buyout. Oftentimes you offer the
21 homeowners nearby or adjacent to the property to buy the
22 property or deed it over to them, or however you do
23 that.
24 Is there any agreement on maintenance from that
25 standpoint? Or is the district -- then I'll take it to
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1 another step. You mentioned many times, a lot of these
2 are localized flooding and erosion issues that are on
3 private property. But the district can use these funds
4 to fix those.
5 Again, you do an erosion control solution, and
6 private property, again, most of those are natural
7 anyway. But is there any agreement when that work's
8 done that somebody else can do the maintenance, or is
9 that something the district needs to budget?
10 MR. HOELSCHER: Right. So I'm glad you asked
11 that. That gives me an opportunity to clear up a point.
12 Understand that almost the vast majority of MSD
13 facilities are on private property now; wastewater and
14 stormwater. We have easements that allow us to access
15 them. But they are on private property.
16 MR. RATZKI: Right.
17 MR. HOELSCHER: So let's take the example of
18 erosion. I think you brought that up. If we have an
19 erosion issue, and the benefit of helping the customer
20 provided by the cost ends up being a project we would
21 do, we would go and take a look.
22 Typically there are two solutions. One is we can
23 bio-stabilize the erosion in some way. One, to make
24 sure it's not a problem at the property anymore, and
25 also to make sure we don't transfer the problem further
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1 downstream.
2 Another option that can be possible on some
3 occasions is, it's just so critical that the solution
4 also results in us buying the properties out, because
5 you just don't have a livable piece of property anymore.
6 In all those instances, we have to get property
7 rights to get on the properties, easements of some kind,
8 to be able to do the construction.
9 Once we're done, the facilities aren't ours. In
10 the past, we've been really, really successful making
11 sure that we don't -- at least for the most recent part
12 of the program -- making sure we don't end up owning
13 those properties.
14 Staff's discussions internally have been if we
15 move forward with this program, one of the conditions
16 are going to be that the municipalities, ahead of time,
17 agree that they would be responsible for making sure
18 something happens to the property and gets maintained;
19 take possession of it.
20 We would have, again, an easement on it to make
21 sure it can't be redeveloped. Hopefully, it will be as
22 successful as it has been in the past, where the cities
23 take it over, or a lot of times the adjacent property
24 owners will want the property, just for buffer room.
25 We're planning on that same type of thing happening.
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1 MR. RATZKI: So it'd transfer to the
2 municipality. I guess my point is, does there need to
3 be some sort of an agreement between the municipality
4 and the adjacent property owners to say, it's your
5 responsibility now to keep it mowed or to keep it --
6 MR. HOELSCHER: So right now, that happens just
7 through process, because it's a good thing to do. I
8 think there are some properties, older parts of the
9 system where we've done some buyouts and we still own
10 the property.
11 But in the County, I think it's outside the
12 combined sewer area. Our discussions have been we're
13 probably going to mandate that the city agrees that they
14 will take over project. If we purchase the property
15 outright and we have part ownership, that they are then
16 responsibile for either taking ownership of the
17 property, or disposing in some other way, which I
18 suspect in some instances, may be a piece of property
19 owner stake. So we're not responsible for maintenance.
20 MR. GOSS: Right. How -- if that turnover
21 happens, how will those folks in the municipality or the
22 neighbors, who acquire the ENP held accountable for the
23 maintenance of that? Will MSD follow up and inspect
24 that from time to time? Or how will that work.
25 MR. HOELSCHER: So you won't find -- because of
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1 regulatory requirements, for instance, on erosion. You
2 won't find us building concrete walls or things that are
3 part of the public systems. We're reestablished as much
4 as we can bio-stabilizing natural improvements that goes
5 back in.
6 There are normal warranties that go along with
7 construction. After that, they sit out there in the
8 same fashion they were at before. Almost a lot of these
9 are in subdivisions, whether they're actually indentured
10 and the subdivision trustees are supposed to maintain
11 these anyway.
12 Or else there's right-of-ways or easements where
13 there is no easily-identifiable entity. They're just
14 public facilities.
15 So the responsibility would go to, I guess,
16 whoever -- I'm being a little vague here because every
17 instance in the district is different depending on where
18 we stand. So the point is, it's billed so they would
19 last.
20 MR. GOSS: Let me give you an example. If you
21 have a rain garden that needs to take place over time.
22 And so presumably, if this is turned over to a
23 subdivision, the trustees need to do that. And if they
24 don't do that, then the rain garden won't function.
25 MR. HOELSCHER: I wasn't necessarily talking
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1 about -- we'll get into that deeper. I don't think any
2 discussion necessarily had to do with rain gardens.
3 MR. GOSS: I was trying to give an example.
4 MR. HOELSCHER: An example of a rain garden,
5 we're offering that because we think it's a good thing
6 to do. It's a minimal credit for folks who do rain
7 gardens for one or two-year storm events.
8 When you get the 20, 30, and 40-year storm events
9 that cause flooding and erosion, it's like those rain
10 gardens aren't even there. So it's more of an incentive
11 to folks just to be greener and just to be thinking
12 about what's going on.
13 We're not going to see a whole lot of benefit
14 downstream because we put a rain garden in on a large
15 scale.
16 You could, on the individual projects -- and
17 we've even built some projects, where we kind of put the
18 icing on the cake and bill a little less rate
19 infrastructure because we've been able to build enough
20 rain gardens in a school, or something like that. They
21 do have mandates that they have to maintain this
22 facility.
23 MR. GOSS: Okay.
24 MR. HAWES: Any further questions from the Rate
25 Commission members?
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1 MR. POLK: I do have -- I have one, Brian. The
2 percentage credit that you were talking, about the 50
3 percent, 35 percent, is that a credit on what would
4 normally be the rate charged against that property?
5 MR. HOELSCHER: Correct. If you're getting
6 billed $2.25, and you get a 50 percent credit, your bill
7 is now -- check with Mary -- $1.12 or $1.13. But we
8 charge you once. 13. Okay. There's our finance guy.
9 We charge $1.13.
10 MR. GOSS: Round up.
11 MR. POLK: That's all.
12 MR. HAWES: All right. Well, if that is all the
13 questions we have for tonight, we can close this public
14 hearing. Thank you for coming.
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