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1 IN THE CITY OF BALLWIN
2 STATE OF MISSOURI
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9 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT RATE COMMISSION
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
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3 Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District Rate
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5 Len Toenjes - Chairman
Mark Schoedel
6 John Stein
Mickey Croyle
7 Tom Ratzki
Paul Beckmann
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10 MSD Executive Director and CEO:
11 Brian Hoelscher, P.E.
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Georgia Beth Long, CCR/CSR
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Illinois CSR #084-004742
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1 MR. TOENJES: All right. Being 6:00 p.m., we
2 will start our MSD Rate Commission Public Hearing.
3 Good evening. My name is Len Toenjes. I'm the
4 chairman of the Metropolitan St. Louis District Rate
5 Commission, and I'm going to preside over the public
6 hearing this evening.
7 With me tonight are the following MSD Rate
8 Commissioners. To my left -- they'll introduce
9 themselves.
10 MR. SCHOEDEL: Mark Schoedel.
11 MR. STEIN: John Stein.
12 MR. RATZKI: Tom Ratzki.
13 MS. CROYLE: Mickey Croyle.
14 MR. BECKMANN: Jerry Beckmann.
15 MR. TOENJES: Len Toenjes. The charter plan of
16 the district was amended at a general election on
17 November 7, 2000 and established the Rate Commission to
18 review and make recommendations to the district
19 regarding changes in wastewater rates, stormwater rates,
20 and tax rates proposed by the district.
21 The charter plan requires that the MSD Board of
22 Trustees select organizations to ensure a fair
23 representation of all users of the district's services
24 on Rate Commission.
25 The Rate Commission representative organizations
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1 are to represent commercial, industrial users,
2 residential uses, and other organizations interested in
3 the operation of the district; including organizations
4 focusing environmental issues, labor issues,
5 socioeconomic issues, community neighborhood
6 organizations, and other nonprofit organizations.
7 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15
8 members from organizations and institutions throughout
9 St. Louis City and County.
10 On February 26, 2018, the Rate Commission
11 received a rate change notice, proposing changes to the
12 district's stormwater rates. The Rate Commission
13 adopted operational rules in a procedural schedule to
14 govern the proceedings on March 24, 2018.
15 Under the current procedural schedule, adopted by
16 the Rate Commission, the MSD Rate Commission has until
17 June 26, 2018 to review and make recommendations to the
18 MSD Board of Trustees as to whether the proposed rate
19 should be approved, not approved, or modified with
20 suggested changes, and then approved.
21 The commission requested an extension from the
22 MSD Board of Trustees until August 10, 2018, which was
23 granted on May 1, 2018. The commission will consider on
24 May 17 -- which was this morning -- a newly-revised
25 procedural schedule, including the extension, which we
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1 made this morning and adopted.
2 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged legal counsel
3 and a rate consultant, independent of those used by the
4 MSD staff.
5 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate
6 Commission as amended, any person affected by rate
7 change proposal has an opportunity to submit an
8 application to intervene in these proceedings.
9 An application to intervene has been filed by the
10 Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers, and this
11 application has been granted.
12 Since February 26, 2018, the MSD Rate Commission
13 has received testimony from MSD staff, the rate
14 consultant, and the intervener. The parties have also
15 engaged in discovery requests.
16 A prehearing conference for the purpose of
17 identifying any issues raised by the rate setting
18 documents and the prepared testimony previously
19 submitted will be conducted on the record.
20 All persons submitting testimony may participate
21 in the prehearing conference, and each participant in
22 the prehearing conference shall submit a prehearing
23 conference report, describing the issues raised by the
24 rate settings documents and the prepared testimony,
25 together with a brief description of such participant's
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1 position, if any, on each issue and the rationale
2 therefore.
3 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are
4 permitted to participate in these on-the-record public
5 hearings, such as this evenings, conducted in six
6 sessions beginning on May 8, 2018.
7 The Rate Commission published a public notice
8 regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis Post
9 Dispatch and the St. Louis American. These notices
10 contain the time, dates, and location of each of the
11 conferences and hearings.
12 The public hearing session tonight is for the
13 purpose of permitting the district to present its
14 stormwater rate change proposal, and to permit any
15 ratepayer the opportunity to comment.
16 We will begin with the presentation by the
17 district, and that will be followed by a public comment
18 period. The district will be presenting a lot of
19 information.
20 I would ask that you hold all of your questions
21 until the end of the presentation, when we get into the
22 comment period. The initial questions may be answered
23 some by the presentation; others may not.
24 Those wishing to speak should sign in on the
25 sheet provided, and will be called on in the order of
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1 the names listed thereon. Each ratepayer should
2 identify themselves and any organizations represented by
3 such ratepayer.
4 Several housekeeping rules before we start.
5 Again, if you wish to present testimony, or expect that
6 you may have questions or comments, please sign in on
7 the clipboard in the front. Speakers will be recognized
8 by the order by which they signed up. If you have
9 written in advance requesting time to speak, you will be
10 allowed to speak first.
11 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of 10 minutes
12 to speak regarding the proposed rate change. As a
13 presiding officer, I can limit or expand the time as I
14 deem necessary.
15 If you haven't already done so, put your cell
16 phones on silent. Exits from the room obviously are
17 located there and against the wall. So there are four
18 exits on either side. I'm not sure where the restrooms
19 are located here. Oh. Just inside the front door and
20 across the hall.
21 And in addition to holding your questions until
22 the end of the proceeding, that you direct questions to
23 the Rate Commission. The district is here to present
24 information and testimony. It is the Rate Commission
25 that is receiving your comments. And if there are
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1 technical questions we need to refer to Mr. Hoelscher or
2 his staff, we will do so.
3 Any questions on any of that? Thank you very
4 much. With that being said, I think we will go ahead
5 and ask Mr. Hoelscher to begin presentation from the
6 district.
7 MR. HOELSCHER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name
8 is Brian Hoelscher. I'm the extensive director and CEO
9 of MSD.
10 The presentation is going to consist of three
11 parts. I'm going to spend one slide, just a quick
12 description of MSD overall.
13 The second slide, I'm going to be discussing the
14 existing stormwater services that MSD currently
15 provides, and how those are funded.
16 And then finally, the bulk of the presentation
17 will be about the rate proposal we have that we want put
18 -- that we're proposing to put in front of the voters as
19 to whether or not they want us to provide another
20 districtwide stormwater service.
21 The chairman indicated holding questions for the
22 Rate Commission. If you are here and you have other
23 questions of the district that aren't part of this
24 proposal, we have staff here in blue shirts. And as
25 soon as this meeting closes, we will stay. We can
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1 answer any other questions you have that aren't involved
2 with this presentation.
3 So first of all, an overview with MSD. We are
4 government utility. We were created by an amendment to
5 the state constitution. Our governing document is a
6 voter-approved charter, the organic law of MSD.
7 We have a six member Board of Trustees. Three
8 are appointed by the mayor of the City of St. Louis, and
9 three by the county executive of St. Louis County.
10 Important to remember, we are two utilities; a
11 wastewater utility and a stormwater utility. The
12 monthly bill you receive is the funding for our
13 wastewater utilities. Those moneys are only spent on
14 wastewater.
15 We're also a stormwater utility. And later on,
16 I'll will describe the two services and revenue sources
17 for what we provide for stormwater; and again, what
18 we're proposing to offer to the residents for a third
19 service.
20 We serve a 520 square mile area. We serve the
21 City of St. Louis, and in the county, we serve about 87
22 percent of St. Louis County. 1.3 million customers, and
23 serving 88 separate municipalities. We have seven
24 treatment plants, and we treat approximately 350 million
25 gallons of wastewater a day.
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1 You add together the sewers, you find we have
2 over 9,000 miles of sewers. That makes us the fourth
3 largest sewer system in the country.
4 Current status on stormwater. The last time we
5 came to the voters was in April of 2016 for Proposition
6 S. That was for a 10-cent property tax to allow us to
7 operate and maintain the public storm sewer system;
8 storm sewers, inlets, manholes that MSD owns.
9 Prior to that election, west of 270 and in this
10 area, MSD owned those public storm sewer systems but had
11 no revenue to operate and maintain them.
12 But the passing of Proposition S, we now have a
13 districtwide revenue source to operate and maintain the
14 existing public storm sewer system.
15 This map is a description of where we currently
16 stand with storm services. If you look on your property
17 tax bill, you pay $1.88 per hundred-dollar valuation on
18 your property; a tax to MSD to take care of regulatory
19 issues.
20 Those regulatory issues consist of us addressing
21 the impact the pollutants that are carried off by
22 stormwater runoff in your local creeks and streams,
23 allows us to control that impact.
24 That tax has been in place, specifically
25 identified, since 1979, since before the Hancock
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1 amendment. It's currently sufficient for us to meet our
2 regulatory needs.
3 Also, you see on your property tax what's now a
4 $9.71 per hundred dollars set valuation property tax.
5 That is the Proposition S that was passed at originally
6 10 cents.
7 If you look on your bill, you'll see that, again,
8 that's paid districtwide to pay for the operation and
9 maintenance of the storm sewer system.
10 If you look down at the bottom here, there's a
11 number, 67 million -- all right. I don't need a
12 pointer. Yeah. I definitely don't need a pointer.
13 So there's $67 million of other money that was
14 left from the funds that were either eliminated or set
15 to zero when Proposition S passed. So we've taken and
16 estimated that $67 million to address flooding and
17 erosion problems throughout the district.
18 If you're familiar with our election in April of
19 2016, we used this map. This map is currently on our
20 website. Each one of those dots represents a project
21 that makes up that $67 million.
22 If you went on our website, there's a
23 spreadsheet. You go to the number, it says what is the
24 problem, what's the solution, what's it cost, when it's
25 going to get done, exactly where it's located. So we've
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1 committed to doing $67 million of work to cover flooding
2 and erosion.
3 The thing is that money is from a fund balance.
4 There is not currently any revenues going in to fund any
5 work once that $67 million is gone.
6 The proposal we present to our Rate Commission is
7 to ask the voters whether or not they would like to pay
8 a districtwide revenue so we can continue that program
9 districtwide.
10 This is an example of the type of problem we're
11 talking about that we want to fund. One is localized
12 flooding. This is just flooding that happens in yards,
13 where we have regular rains. You don't necessarily have
14 to see a creek. It's coming from down the hill, it's
15 coming from the neighbors, it sits in the yard because
16 of grading, it sits in the yard because of various
17 ditches may have been blocked, or something to that
18 effect. So we're looking to address those issues.
19 There's regional flooding. And I don't mean
20 necessarily the Meramec, but some of the local creeks
21 and streams that can flood and cause problems: River
22 Des Peres, Deer Creek, some of the other ones, folks
23 that live in those areas; addressing the regional
24 flooding issues.
25 Then there's erosion issues. That's caused by
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1 the excess rain going through creek, eroding the creek,
2 and causing damage to private property; homes fences,
3 garages, those types of thing.
4 I will mention under regional flooding and
5 erosion, sometimes the solutions that we propose are
6 simply buy the properties that are impacted. Because we
7 can solve the problem, make it go away, and make sure it
8 doesn't move anywhere else.
9 If MSD ever buys property to solve a solution, we
10 make sure it will be never be redeveloped again. You
11 usually turn the maintenance over to the folks -- the
12 adjacent property owners or the municipality. But we
13 put an easement across the entire to make sure it can
14 never be redeveloped.
15 So what does -- how big is the problem? What you
16 see here is a map of about 500 erosion and flooding
17 issues that have been given to us by the residents and
18 the local communities and municipalities.
19 They total about $562 million to address them.
20 They cover the gamut; they cover -- they are complaints
21 from people who have yards where they believe that the
22 water sits too long after a rainstorm, and they would
23 like something put in place to make that go away.
24 It also includes creek erosion, which is
25 threatening to absorb a garage, for instance; have a
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1 garage fall in the creek. It's all across the board.
2 It gives you a good sense of what the size issue
3 is that we see existing right now throughout the
4 district.
5 What the proposal is planning is to implement a
6 stormwater capital rate to bring in $30 million of
7 revenue per year to address those problem.
8 We can take of these issues in 25 or 30 years,
9 depending on what we actually get into when we start the
10 program.
11 It's going to be based on the amount of
12 impervious area on each customers's property.
13 Impervious areas are roofs, driveways, sidewalks, places
14 where water hits and immediately runs off; it doesn't
15 soak into the ground, such as a grassy area.
16 The average charge for a single-family home will
17 be $2.25 a month, or $27 a year. We will bill all the
18 tax-exempt entities. It's a voted-on charge, therefore
19 schools, churches, cemeteries, city halls, the St. Louis
20 airport will all get charged the impervious rate.
21 Again, the program will address unfunded
22 stormwater issues of flooding and erosion. Creeks and
23 streams as they are now, will remain privately owned,
24 usually by individuals or usually by some trustees.
25 Also, the flood plane management responsibility.
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1 The management responsibility for development in flood
2 planes currently sits with the local municipalities.
3 They are the flood plane managers. That relationship
4 will not change either.
5 Again, I had a quick description of impervious
6 area. It's a hard surface; concrete, blacktop,
7 rooftops, hard compacted gravel driveways, where water
8 doesn't absorb; it runs off. Impervious areas is the
9 area we're going to measure.
10 The flooding and erosion problems that we want to
11 address are directly impacted by the volume of runoff
12 that comes off properties. And most of that stormwater
13 runoff is because of the amount of impervious area.
14 The fairest way to determine the revenue
15 contribution of each property is take into consideration
16 the amount of impervious area on the property. That is
17 a method that is used throughout the United States to
18 fairly distribute the cost of the stormwater program.
19 Again, all public and private property, including
20 properties owned by government and non-for-profits would
21 be subject to the stormwater rate.
22 Some of you may remember, as opposed to a voted
23 rate, MSD went to Rate Commission and proposed an
24 impervious rate in 2008. It was not voted on. It was a
25 charge, again, based on the impervious area.
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1 We went through the process. In November 2013,
2 ultimately Supreme Court indicated that if we wanted to
3 put a process like that in place, it needed to be voted
4 on. They found that that was illegal.
5 So what MSD has done, the proposal we've sent, is
6 to allow folks to vote on whether they want this or not.
7 One of the other things that have come from customers,
8 previous Rate Commission hearings, was the belief that
9 if you're going to put a program in place, measuring the
10 impervious area is the right way to proceed. That's
11 what we've proposed here.
12 How are we going the calculate this? We're going
13 the calculate it based on the amount of impervious area.
14 We're going to do it on something called an equivalent
15 residential unit.
16 In MSD, the average household -- residential
17 household of MSD has 2,600 square feet of impervious
18 area; again, roofs, driveways, sidewalks. The proposed
19 rate was put together by taking the recommended capital
20 improvement size of $30 million per year, dividing by
21 the amount of impervious area within MSD service area,
22 and that's where we came up with an average cost to the
23 residential customers of $2.25 per month.
24 This is the details. And you might be able to
25 picture your own properties with these. Single-family
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1 residential customers would be put into one of four
2 tiers, depending on the amount of impervious area they
3 have.
4 We have something called Tier 1. If your
5 property has 200 to 2,000 square feet of impervious
6 area -- and that's about one quarter of our residential
7 customers -- we're going to look to charge you $1.42 at
8 month for the program.
9 About half of our properties will fall in Tier 2.
10 That means they have 2,001 to 3,600 square feet of
11 impervious area on their residential property. Again,
12 as I mentioned, that's where the average property owner
13 is. They will be asked to pay $2.25 a month.
14 We'll have a Tier 3 for homes that have a more
15 impervious area, between 3,601 and 6,000 square feet.
16 That will be $3.74 per month.
17 And then for the much larger residential
18 properties, over 6,000 square feet of impervious area,
19 the proposal is that they pay $6.84 per month for the
20 program.
21 Those are residential customers. That's 450,000
22 of our customers.
23 There's another 50,000 customers who would be
24 billed that are not residential. Industrial,
25 commercial, multi-family dwellings, those types of
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1 things.
2 They're going to be billed based on the number of
3 ERUs. And I mentioned, an ERU is 2,600 square feet of
4 impervious area. For each ERU, they're going to be
5 billed $2.25 per month.
6 The example that's up on the screen; we have a
7 commercial customer with 10,000 square feet of
8 impervious area. You take 10,000, divide by one ERU,
9 which is 2,600 square feet, you come up with about --
10 you come up with 3.85 ERUs.
11 We will round that up to 4, the cost per ERU is
12 $2.25; so four times $2.25 in this particular case, that
13 customer would pay $9.00 a month towards the program.
14 As to how the program would go if it's approved,
15 we will collect charges -- the first full year of
16 collecting charges would be July 2021 to June 2022;
17 although we will start collecting revenues earlier than
18 that. I'll get to that in just a minute.
19 So how does the total revenue break out? Based
20 on those calculations, the single-family residential
21 individuals will pay for about -- will provide revenues
22 of about 13.8 million towards the $40-million program.
23 That's slightly less than half of the total cost.
24 The nonresidential customers, the multi-family,
25 commercial, industrial, their total will be 16.2
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1 million, or slightly more than half of the $30 million
2 total program.
3 How often will you be billed. If a customer
4 currently receives a wastewater bill, we will simply put
5 that on their monthly bill and ask that them to pay that
6 at that time. That's about 450,000 of our customers as
7 well that get a monthly bill. The stormwater charge, if
8 approved by the voters, will be put on that bill.
9 We do have customers who are not billed for
10 wastewater; they either don't have wastewater or they
11 provide their own wastewater treatment. If a property
12 has at least 20 ERUs, we will bill them monthly, and we
13 will collect those fees from them.
14 Any other customer that doesn't receive
15 wastewater service, the easiest example is a residential
16 customer who has a septic tank. We will bill them every
17 three months.
18 The reason for that is, the average home is going
19 to get billed $2.25 per month. It doesn't make economic
20 sense for us to send a monthly bill -- it's going to
21 cost us to sending a monthly bill of $2.25 per month to
22 collect that. Therefore, we will be billing them every
23 three months. In this case, we'll be billing them $7.75
24 every three months.
25 We have incentives built into the program. The
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1 most effective incentive is to reduce the amount of
2 impervious area. For the individual homes, that would
3 mean reducing enough impervious area so that you drop
4 into a different tier. That would save you money.
5 One of the examples we've seen when we looked at
6 this 10 years ago, people will take their backyard or
7 concrete or solid patios out and replace them with
8 engineered porous pavers that allow the water to go down
9 and soak in the ground. You do that, and we will reduce
10 the amount of the impervious area and bill you
11 accordingly.
12 For nonresidential customers who are being billed
13 by the number of ERUs, or every 2,600 square foot block,
14 by removing ERUs or impervious area, you would reduce
15 your billing $2.25 every month by every ERU that you
16 remove.
17 Those properties that -- where the stormwater
18 from the property goes to directly towards rivers or
19 some equivalent situation, such as the Missouri River,
20 the Meramec River, or the Mississippi River, they will
21 get a 70 percent credit.
22 We are asking them to pay 30 percent of that bill
23 to address the runoff that comes from the public
24 transportation infrastructure that's not being billed in
25 this charge.
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1 If you do best management practices, we can offer
2 a credit. For residential customer, if they take 500
3 square feet of impervious area, and they capture it in a
4 best management practice method, which is a rain garden,
5 or some of the things you see advertised on MSD's
6 program for Project Clear, we give you an incentive
7 payment of $135. That would effectively reduce your
8 stormwater rate in half for the next 10 years.
9 If you're a commercial property, you can treat --
10 for every ERU you treat in the same fashion, we will
11 bill you 50 percent for that particular ERU. So instead
12 of $2.25, my director of finance told me we would round
13 that up and charge $1.13 for every ERU that's treated by
14 the best management practice.
15 We also have a low-impact developing credit of 35
16 percent. If you have a lot size of three acres or more
17 and 50 percent or less of your property is covered by
18 impervious area, you can get a 35 percent credit. That
19 calculation, in theory, mirrors environmentally
20 sensitive development design standards that reduce
21 runoff on the property.
22 The timeline for this proposal: Again, I'm
23 repeating some of the things the chairman went over.
24 But we did submit a proposal to our Rate Commission on
25 February 26, 2018. The Rate Commission now has 165 days
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1 to review the recommendations of MSD Board of Trustees.
2 Technical meetings are currently being held, as
3 described by the chairman. We are in the middle of the
4 public meetings. This would be the third one on the
5 list, you see up here.
6 Under the current schedule, the Rate Commission
7 is supposed to be completed -- have its recommendation
8 to our Board of Trustees no later an August 10.
9 Once that recommendation goes to our Board of
10 Trustees, they will spend the rest of calendar 2018
11 doing their own review, under the same standards as the
12 Rate Commission is doing their review. That should be
13 completed by the end of the calendar year.
14 If we move forward, the proposal right now is to
15 put this initiative in front of the voters in April
16 2019. Two things will happen. If the voters vote yes,
17 we will now have the revenues to provide the service --
18 the districtwide services to address flooding and
19 erosion. If the voters say no, MSD will not be able to
20 provide the service.
21 So that stormwater -- I do want to touch really
22 quick on wastewater. Like I said, we're two utilities.
23 Coming up right before the election in April 2016, we
24 have to go in front of this body, the Rate Commission,
25 to propose our next four years of wastewater revenues,
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1 needed to meet or Project Clear requirements; a $4.7
2 billion consent decree.
3 We plan on starting with the development of that
4 program in July of 2018. We plan on getting a proposal
5 to the Rate Commission in February of 2019, just before
6 the stormwater vote.
7 We will go through exactly the same process of
8 procedures with the Rate Commission, including the
9 public hearings. And hopefully by then, our board, at
10 the end of 2019, will be concerning the wastewater
11 votes.
12 So what you see us going through this year with
13 stormwater with this one service, you will see us again
14 going through the four years of funding for wastewater
15 services.
16 If you have -- we're leaving our contacts --
17 outside the contacts with the Rate Commission. If
18 there's any questions, you have other than that with
19 your MSD, I've got the name and number and e-mail
20 address of Lance LeComb this gentleman here. Raise your
21 hand. He's our manager of public affairs.
22 Anything else that's going on in the district,
23 you can contact him. He will make sure the right people
24 get back to you.
25 And again, I would offer other than the stuff
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1 that's on the presentation, when these proceedings are
2 closed, staff will hang around in case you have other
3 questions of MSD regarding any other issues. Mr.
4 Chairman, thank you.
5 MR. TOENJES: Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher. I
6 appreciate that. Before you leave, do the Rate
7 Commissioners have any questions or comments about the
8 presentation here? Mr. Stein?
9 MR. STEIN: Yes. Mr. Hoelscher, you indicated
10 that there's $67 million left from the original
11 impervious charge. How fast is that being used up and
12 when that is going to be gone?
13 MR. HOELSCHER: Okay. So couple things. The 67
14 million -- actually, it isn't from the original
15 impervious charge. It's all the taxes. There were 23
16 different fees and taxes being collected and remote and
17 isolated areas throughout the district.
18 So when we passed Proposition S and shut those
19 down, the balance there was 67 million. So the
20 expenditures of those right now, if everything were to
21 go smooth, they would be done around -- the last
22 contracts should be getting started around 2022.
23 However, with the stormwater project issue moving
24 forward, and that depends on the folks willing to issue
25 easements, utility relocations, regulatory permitting --
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1 there's a lot of things that will invariably slow things
2 down. And unfortunately, you can never make it go
3 faster. But we should be done just -- very early 2020s.
4 MR. BECKMANN: Brian, you said there was about
5 500 or 560 projects that are in line for this funding.
6 How did you arrive at that -- those 560 projects? Where
7 did that come from?
8 MR. HOELSCHER: I'm going to say this because I'm
9 a fanatic about this. We have 560 issues. Issues. We
10 don't necessarily have projects. That information comes
11 from residents. We don't usually have a way of knowing
12 there's a stormwater problem unless somebody's property
13 floods, and they start having basement backups as well.
14 Mostly, it comes from the residents. A lot of it
15 comes from some municipalities who collect their own
16 information and develop some of their owner stormwater
17 concerns, and they will send those to us also.
18 But primarily, the source of these projects and
19 the source of these issues is coming from the public.
20 MR. SCHOEDEL: Of all the issues you have, how do
21 you go about prioritizing those projects to determine
22 what is the most important and what will be done first?
23 MR. HOELSCHER: So there's a calculation that is
24 done to prioritize all the projects. This was the
25 process that was used to determine which projects are in
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1 that $67 million pot that's being done right now.
2 We do two things. First of all, we judge the
3 value to the severity of the problem. The easiest one
4 would be flooding or erosion. If somebody has a
5 property, and the backyard fence is being subject to
6 erosion or flooding, that has a value associated with
7 the problem.
8 If somebody has flooding or erosion that's
9 getting in their garage and has a higher value -- it's
10 getting up to the back stoop of their back door, that
11 has an even higher value.
12 So we add up all those numbers to determine what
13 the value of the problem is. We then divide it by the
14 cost, so we end up with a benefit/cost ratio. You do
15 the calculation, and we pursue the projects that score
16 the highest and work our way down the list.
17 MR. TOENJES: Any other questions from the Rate
18 Commission?
19 MR. HOELSCHER: Pardon me?
20 MR. TOENJES: I need to capture your names and
21 comments here, so thank you -- since we are on the
22 record here, okay. Yes, sir. Please introduce
23 yourself.
24 MR. CHRISTENSEN: My name is Gary Christensen.
25 I'm a resident of Ballwin. And we did hear this
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1 presentation from MSD about a year ago.
2 But one of your questions about the number of
3 projects and how they're identified; how do we know if
4 our project, even though we submitted information, is
5 really in the list? How do we go about getting
6 confirmation on that?
7 MR. HOELSCHER: Mr. Chairman, do you want me to
8 --
9 MR. TOENJES: Please.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: I'll wait for you to let me know.
11 One of the best ways to do it is -- especially with the
12 folks we have, is call us and make sure your address is
13 still on the list.
14 MR. CHRISTENSEN: Okay. I'll do that. I did
15 send an e-mail last year and got a couple of responses,
16 but never closed it out. So I didn't know.
17 MR. HOELSCHER: Okay.
18 MR. CHRISTENSEN: No one followed up.
19 MR. HOELSCHER: I would add, if you've contacted
20 us in the past and we tell you we have your issue, if
21 something like this passes -- let's say this passes in
22 April of 2019, we'll start getting a feel for when the
23 priority of that project will start matching up against
24 others. And then we may even be able to start getting
25 an idea about what day something might be.
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1 MR. TOENJES: Correct me if I'm wrong, Mr.
2 Hoelscher. Isn't the list of all the projects part of
3 the --
4 MR. HOELSCHER: Oh, that's true.
5 MR. TOENJES: -- documents for the rate case.
6 There were over -- all the projects that are on the list
7 to be funded by this have been submitted to the Rate
8 Commission as an exhibit in our testimony. So is it --
9 am I right?
10 MR. HOELSCHER: By property, location, street
11 name. It's usually not the address. So you might be
12 able to recognize your project off of that street name.
13 The best way to be really sure is to call and
14 check on it, what's going on. Especially call us if
15 something's changed.
16 MR. CHRISTENSEN: It's an ongoing process?
17 MR. HOELSCHER: It's an ongoing process, yes.
18 We're continuing to reevaluate.
19 MR. TOENJES: We had a lengthy discussion this
20 morning about the number of projects, how they're
21 prioritized. And it will show -- have some designation
22 that the district has given it; whether it's erosion or
23 whether it's flooding, what the cost of the -- or
24 estimated cost of remediation is. So that's all part of
25 our rate case procedure.
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1 It may be as simple as looking at the exhibits on
2 the website for the Rate Commission and locating it on
3 there. If not, then the next step I would think would
4 be to go ahead and call. Does that answer your question
5 Mr. Christensen?
6 MR. CHRISTENSEN: I think so. And the exhibits
7 for the Rate Commission, what website is that on,
8 please? MSD's, or is that on --
9 MR. TOENJES: That's on stlmsd.com slash Rate
10 Commission. We're up over 40 exhibits right now. So
11 it's not like you're going to click one button and the
12 list is going to pop up. You will have to do a little
13 digging to locate it.
14 MR. CHRISTENSEN: Thank you.
15 MR. TOENJES: Steve Cuba.
16 MR. CUBA: Couple questions. Well, I got a list
17 of questions. First one is, we're now paying so much
18 per hundred dollars of valuation in county funds of the
19 property tax.
20 MR. TOENJES: Yes.
21 MR. CUBA: How does that differ from the sewer
22 tax or from the -- what we're talking about here?
23 MR. TOENJES: What we're talking about here as
24 far as the stormwater case is that this has nothing to
25 do with the value of the property. It has nothing to do
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1 with any other taxing entity. It is strictly a
2 fee-slash-tax that is based on the amount of the
3 impervious area on that property. So.
4 MR. CUBA: So it's not --
5 MR. TOENJES: If the property is located in Ladue
6 or Huntley or Manchester or Hazelwood, the value of the
7 property doesn't enter into it. It's strictly based on
8 the impervious area.
9 MR. CUBA: When you are calculating the
10 impervious area, is it based on, like, an aerial view,
11 or actual square footage? I ask, because I have a 12/12
12 pitched roof, and my house is only, like, 1,550 square
13 feet on the footprint. But there's a lot more roof on
14 that, but it's not going to catch any more water because
15 it's on an angle.
16 MR. TOENJES: I will ask Mr. Hoelscher to go
17 through the methodology of how those are determined.
18 MR. HOELSCHER: We have to, for our purposes, fly
19 the district and take an aerial photography. So it will
20 be based on an aerial footprint of the view.
21 So in your case, it would be just that horizontal
22 view. The extra pitch of the roof wouldn't result in an
23 additional charge. It would not.
24 MR. CUBA: Okay. So we at least, in my case, I
25 have three acres. I have a barn and I have a house.
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1 And half of the barn, we recover the water. We've got
2 -- we bought it from MSD, matter of fact. We have four
3 rain barrels years ago, and we use them; we've been
4 using them ever since. That's what we use to water our
5 gardens.
6 Is that something that would qualify as a
7 mitigation to the lower the rate? Because we're only
8 using -- we're collecting half that water off the barn
9 anyway.
10 MR. TOENJES: Sure.
11 MR. CUBA: So if that's the case, how do we
12 express that to somebody? Does somebody come out and
13 say, yeah, this is what it's supposed to be. There's
14 going to be a lot of people out, especially in the
15 Wildwood area where I live, that are going to want
16 somebody to come out and look at it. So I was wondering
17 how that's going to get handled.
18 MR. TOENJES: Any Rate Commissioners have
19 anything to comment, or should I turn that over to MSD
20 staff? All right.
21 MR. HOELSCHER: So it's not up yet, but we're
22 going to have up, way before the end of this year, is we
23 will have a website up that you can look up your
24 individual address, and we will determine what we
25 believe the aerial photography is showing.
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1 We're not going to get it all right. Some areas
2 -- we joke about this -- when we did this 10 years ago,
3 some people painted their driveways green. Pretty smart
4 thing to do when using aerial photography.
5 We're going to take our best shot based on the
6 aerial. There will be an appeal process, and you will
7 be to see exactly how and why yours is calculated. If
8 you feel there's a difference, you make an appeal, we
9 will go out and check.
10 And I can't remember what the timeframe is,
11 because we've got -- we'll go back years if necessary in
12 order to do the correct billing. So there will be an
13 appeal process in place if you feel the billing's
14 inaccurate.
15 MR. CUBA: Okay. That's it. Thanks.
16 MR. TOENJES: Thank you very much. We appreciate
17 it.
18 MR. SCHOEDEL: Mr. Chairman, should we note that
19 there is an incentive program as part of this to try to
20 help people look at ways where they can reduce their
21 rate and put in some ideas to help control this little
22 bit, which could impact it as well. I believe rain
23 barrels are a part of that. Is that correct, Mr.
24 Hoelscher.
25 MR. HOELSCHER: They can be, if they're properly
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1 sized. So in your particular instance, you would
2 probably ultimately say, hey, come out and please
3 contemplate whether or not I'm collecting enough runoff
4 off of 500 square feet of impervious area that I would
5 qualify for a credit.
6 You would mention you have over three acres; you
7 also potentially are available for that credit. That
8 one we would probably pick up, because we measure the
9 impervious area versus the acreage.
10 And these credits are additive. So you can get
11 credit for more than one of those.
12 MR. TOENJES: Thank you. Anything else?
13 MR. CUBA: No. Thank you, sir.
14 MR. TOENJES: Mary Cook.
15 MS. COOK: I have a couple of questions. We deal
16 with -- and we realize, you have many properties to
17 consider. But we live in an area where you can't have
18 less than three acres. So you said three, and is that
19 including three, or three above three? I didn't get
20 that necessarily.
21 And the other thing is, you know, if you have a
22 1,500 square foot house and you have more than three
23 acres, sometimes it's hard to imagine, you know, that
24 the water gets that far away from you that fast.
25 Perhaps it does.
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1 But the guy next door has 40 acres, and the next
2 guy has 15 acres. We live in a place where there's not
3 much roof per land. But then you said it's the
4 impervious surface, so it doesn't matter that we're
5 paying taxes on this large piece of property.
6 But it kind of feels like it should matter that
7 you're maintaining this big piece of dirt to absorb the
8 water that comes off of this roof.
9 But I am glad to see that there are allowances
10 for people who live near a river, or people who have
11 rain barrels or something.
12 So if you could demonstrate that you had what
13 amounts to your retention pond within your acreage,
14 those kind of things.
15 So how flexible is that idea, that you probably
16 are not just -- the water isn't running off and running
17 right to the neighbor's house, and running to the next
18 neighbor's and the next neighbor's and then going to the
19 creek and tearing up the backyards we don't have that.
20 MR. TOENJES: Mr. Hoelscher.
21 MR. HOELSCHER: The biggest point I think I got
22 is that the credit for large properties is three acres
23 and over. So I think the point is you would fall into
24 those.
25 These rules are flexible. We experienced from 10
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1 years ago, there are properties that exist that, for a
2 lot of reasons, can demonstrate stormwater never leaves
3 their property, for instance.
4 So because somewhere lives next to a big river
5 and all your stormwater going off to the Meramec River
6 or something, MSD has no responsibility for. So that's
7 one of the reasons we put in some of these provisions,
8 or similar circumstances.
9 We couldn't necessarily list everything. So if
10 you feel there is an unusual situation of something
11 that's really slowing down the amount of runoff outside
12 of what we've taken provisions for, we will go look at
13 them.
14 We know there's no way we can put in a program
15 that absolutely covers 100 percent every particular
16 situation. That's something we would be willing to go
17 out and look at as well.
18 MS. COOK: Okay. Thank you.
19 MR. TOENJES: Yeah. This is a significant change
20 from the way that the stormwater fee is being looked at
21 now. So I think we are -- the sense I get from the
22 district is there's a lot of openness to the ideas and
23 solutions here.
24 MS. COOK: We'll see how that works.
25 MR. TOENJES: That's why we have these hearings.
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1 MS. COOK: I'm very happy to see that. It's
2 being reasonable and sensible, as in -- like you said,
3 an incentive for people to not cause problems in the
4 first place.
5 MR. TOENJES: Correct. Anyone else? I have
6 three folks who are signed up here. Anything else you
7 would like --
8 MR. CUBA: I have a general question --
9 MR. TOENJES: Yes, Steve.
10 MR. CUBA: -- that goes back. What is your guys'
11 role when a new subdivision goes in, or a new strip mall
12 goes in? I know that lot of times they have to have
13 retention ponds and stuff.
14 Would they get credit for a retention pond, and
15 do they still enforce that kind of thing? Because one
16 of the problems that we had with this fee that we had
17 before; it was explained to me by a gentleman from MSD
18 that came out, that the reason I was being charged that
19 fee was because of a pumping station that had to be
20 built down -- it was a good mile and a half from my
21 house -- that the water would reach the property in
22 approximately two weeks.
23 And that was there because of the number of
24 buildings that were built in the flood plane. So they
25 had to build a pumping station to get it up in the air
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1 to start flowing again properly.
2 And I was being told I had to pay a fee. And
3 I've been doing this for -- you know, forever, and all
4 of a sudden, you're going to have to pay a fee.
5 So I understand how you do it with, you know, big
6 buildings and churches and the like. How are they are
7 still enforcing those types of rules to prevent what's
8 happening in University City, for instance, where
9 everything is getting backed up in people's yards, and
10 you have to buyout properties? Are they still following
11 that as well to prevent this from happening or getting
12 worse?
13 MR. TOENJES: As far as permitting and zoning and
14 new construction?
15 MR. CUBA: Right. Right. Like, maybe
16 incentivize the people to use permeable driveway
17 surfaces, you know, right out of the -- you know, when
18 you go to get your permit, you know. Ask them, have you
19 ever considered just putting two concrete runners in, or
20 bricks, or like rain garden; those types of things.
21 MR. TOENJES: Brian, maybe you be elaborate on
22 the district's relationship and various zoning and
23 permitting municipalities and agencies.
24 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes. So first of all, I want to
25 -- and we can spend time later if you want. What we're
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1 talk about here that has nothing to do with the
2 situation in University City.
3 So sometimes you really want to -- we have a very
4 complicated system. That system is completely different
5 from anything we're talking about here. If you want
6 sometime, I got staff here, we and myself can go over
7 that.
8 The process that's currently in place has been in
9 place in its currently form since 1997. Mark, am I
10 getting that right? Okay. Since 1997.
11 And to a lesser extent, before that, when anybody
12 puts new development in, there's two things that MSD is
13 responsible for with regard to the runoff.
14 One, we make sure that when they put the -- when
15 they do a development, whatever runoff was occurring
16 during various storms on that property, as you said, if
17 you have a large grassy area, there's less coming off of
18 it. They have to make provisions for that subdivision
19 that the discharge from that subdivision is no greater
20 than what was there before it was developed.
21 In the old days, you almost always saw things
22 like retention basins. Nowadays, we're seeing people
23 develop while still using some kind of retention basin,
24 you will see folks using impervious pavement for
25 driveways.
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1 Things like that will reduce the runoff, because
2 it reduces the size of the retention. If somebody were
3 to put in a retention like that, they are signing an
4 agreement that they are responsible for the cost and
5 full-time maintenance of those facilities. So it
6 doesn't cost you or any of the MSD ratepayers it's the
7 cost of building.
8 The second thing that MSD gets involved in, and
9 this has been in the last 10 years or so, is water
10 quality. So runoff, you know, those large basins that
11 take care of the really big storms -- 10, 20, 25-year
12 storms, where volume is a problem.
13 Also, recently, one of the issue becomes the
14 water quality. It's not the volume, it's the excess
15 salt or fertilizer or pet waste that the small storms
16 takes down into the system and dumps in the creeks and
17 streams and causes the water quality issues there.
18 There are also provisions to have you put into
19 any new development to capture those, and allow that to
20 be treated. So we have those small ways we control that
21 wastewater.
22 So MSD has the ability to govern those. They're
23 all done at the expense of whoever is doing the
24 development. And that developer is then responsible for
25 the cost of operating and maintaining that. That's
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1 never passed on to the ratepayers.
2 Everything else that goes on in that development,
3 how it's shaped, how much green space is available,
4 whether or not they are building in a flood plane,
5 that's all the responsibility and under the authority of
6 the individual municipalities.
7 They are the flood plane managers, and it's the
8 building code responsibility to determine what that
9 looks like.
10 So we take care of the stormwater. We have a
11 kind of similar responsibility for what they do to get
12 wastewater to us. We'll review that as well.
13 But whether or not something eventually gets
14 built is the responsibility of the local government
15 that's responsible for the building codes.
16 MR. CUBA: Thanks.
17 MR. SCHOEDEL: I would like to mention that
18 developers aren't being encouraged, they're required as
19 an organization to develop several pieces of property.
20 We can't build some of the things that were mentioned
21 that are part of the design.
22 They also require ongoing maintenance, which we,
23 as the owner, have to do. So I get a letter once a year
24 stating, have you done the maintenance. And I have to
25 show that I have. So it's something that is been done
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1 on a regular basis, that the owner is having to do bear
2 the cost.
3 MR. CUBA: Okay. Thanks.
4 MR. TOENJES: Any other comments? Questions?
5 Hearing none, thanks everybody for being here this
6 evening. Please stay tuned on the website, follow
7 what's going on.
8 The next public hearing in person will be May 22,
9 2018, at 6:00 p.m. at the Maryland Heights Community
10 Center. I should also mention that there will be an
11 online streaming public hearing on May the 30th, 2018,
12 at 1:00 p.m. So certainly encourage anyone who can't be
13 there in person to perhaps participate in the online
14 hearing.
15 Hearing nothing else, we will stand adjourned.
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