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HomeMy Public PortalAboutO'Hare Deposition Transcripts 10/24/14In The Matter Of: CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE v. TOWN OF GULF STREAM Deposition of CHRISTOPHER O'HARE October 24, 2014 Vol I 1 DEBRA DURAN A S S O C I A T E S Registered Professional Reporters P.O. Box 2288 West Palm Beach, Florida 33402 561- 313 -8000 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA CASE No.502013CA017717XXXXMB CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE, Plaintiff, -vs- VOLUME I TOWN OF GULF STREAM, Defendant. VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE TAKEN AT THE INSTANCE OF THE DEFENDANT Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 a.m. - 3:13 p.m. 5550 Glades Road Suite 500 Boca Raton, Florida 33431 Reported By: Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR Notary Public, State of Florida Debra Duran & Associates 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 APPEARANCES: On behalf of the Plaintiff: MARK J. HANNA, ESQUIRE GMMM /MADISON P.A. 401 South County Road Suite 3272 Palm Beach, Florida 33480 LOUIS L. ROEDER, III,, ESQUIRE 7414 Sparkling Lake Road Orlando, Florida 32819 On behalf of the Defendant: ROBERT A. SWEETAPPLE, ESQUIRE ALEX VARKAS, ESQUIRE SWEETAPPLE, BROEKER & VARKAS 199 East Boca Raton Road Boca Raton, Florida 33432 JOANNE O'CONNOR, ESQUIRE JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON & STUBBS 505 South Flagler Drive, Suite 1100 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 ALSO PRESENT: JASON PETERSON, LEGAL GRAPHICWORKS Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 I N D E X WITNESS: DIRECT CROSS REDIRECT RECROSS CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: 5 E X H I B I T S NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE DEFENDANT'S EX. 1 COPY OF MOTION 15 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 4 P R O C E E D I N G S Deposition taken before Debra Duran - Bornstein, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large, in the above cause. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: We are on the video record. This is the 24th day of October 2014. The time is approximately 10:25 a.m. This is the videotaped deposition of Christopher O'Hare in the matter of O'Hare versus the Town of Gulf Stream. This deposition is being held at 5550 Glades Road Suite 500, Boca Raton, Florida 33431. My name is Jason Peterson, and I'm the videographer representing Legal Graphicworks. At this time would the attorneys please announce their appearances for the record. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Plaintiff. MR. HANNA: Mark Hanna for Christopher O'Hare. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Robert Sweetapple, Sweetapple Broeker Varkas, co- counsel along with Joanne O'Connor from Jones Foster, and my partner, Alex Varkas. The record should also reflect that Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 5 Mr. O'Hare's attorney, Lou Roeder, is also present. Thereupon, (CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE) having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined and testified as follows: DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Good morning name. Would you please state your A. Christopher Francis O'Hare. Q. Mr. O'Hare, have you ever been deposed before? A. Yes. Q. How many occasions? A. Maybe four times. Q. Okay. And can you tell me with regard to those times whether or not you were represented by counsel? A. Yes. Q. And who -- tell me the four times you recall being deposed. A. I'm thinking. It is approximately four times. The one time was in Manhattan. The other time was in -- Q. What year? A. Maybe ten years ago. Q. Okay. What happened? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 6 1 A. Eight years ago. 2 Q. Were you a party in that case? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. What kind of case was it? 5 A. I was a plaintiff. 6 Q. What type of case? 7 A. Intellectual property. 8 Q. And did that case go to trial? 9 A. I'm sorry. May I ask you to speak up? 10 Q. Did that case go to trial? 11 A. No. No. 12 Q. And do you remember the name of your attorney? 13 A. Baker Botts. 14 Q. Who was the attorney there? 15 A. I'm sorry. I can't recall. 16 Q. You don't remember his name? 17 A. It was a woman; a very competent woman. I 18 believe her name was Doris. I can't remember her last 19 name. 20 Q. And how many -- how long was your deposition? 21 A. Thirty minutes, 45 minutes. 22 Q. And it was taken in Manhattan? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And that case settled? 25 A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 7 Q. What was the style of the case? A. I don't understand. Q. What was the title of the case? Was it you individually versus someone? A. Pineapple Grove Designs versus -- I want to say Crescent. It was a firm in Canada; a manufacturer Canada. Q. Do you remember the name of the defendant? A. No. Q. Do you remember which court it was in? A. I'm sorry? Q. Do you remember which court it was in? A. I want to say the Seventh District Court, federal court in downtown Manhattan, lower Manhattan. Q. Do you know who the plaintiffs were? Was Pineapple the only plaintiff? A. Yes. Q. How many defendants were there? A. Just a single company. Q. What year did that case settle? A. Same time as the deposition. Q. What year was that? A. I don't remember. Q. Can you tell me, within three years, what year it was? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 8 A. No. Not without wasting a lot of time thinking about it. Q. Well -- A. Off the -- Q. You can't immediately recall that? A. I can't immediately recall. Q. What was the name of the other three cases that you gave deposition testimony in? A. It would have been Pineapple Grove Designs. I take that back. Yeah. I think it was Pineapple Grove Designs versus Cendeo. Q. who? A. C- e- n -d -e -o Printing. Q. And when was that case filed? A. That was perhaps seven years ago. Q. Where was it filed? A. In Phoenix, Arizona. Q. Was it in federal court? A. No. That was in state court. Q. Did that go to trial? A. No. Q. You settled it? A. Yes. Q. And who represented you? A. I can't recall. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 25 L7ve a deposition in; when was that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 9 1 Q. Who was the name of the judge? 2 A. Can't recall that. 3 Q. Where were your lawyers' offices? 4 A. They were in Phoenix. 5 Q. And how many times did you go to the offices? 6 A. I think I traveled to Phoenix perhaps eight 7 times. 8 Q. And you met with the same lawyer eight times? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. You don't remember his name? 11 A. No. 12 Q. Seven years ago? 13 A. About seven years ago. 14 Q. Okay. What is the other -- were there any 15 other lawyers? Was there more than one lawyer in the 16 firm you met with? 17 A. I met the lawyers at the opposing team, the 18 defendant's lawyers. 19 Q. Did you only have one lawyer in Phoenix that 20 represented you? 21 A. It was -- there were two lawyers. 22 Q. Do you remember either of their names? 23 A. No. Not offhand. 24 Q. Okay. And what about the third case that you 25 L7ve a deposition in; when was that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 10 1 A. I think that was under the same case in 2 Arizona. They deposed me twice. 3 Q. And what about the fourth deposition you gave; 4 when was that? 5 A. I think that was a local issue a long time 6 ago. Perhaps 20 years ago. 7 Q. And do you remember the case? 8 A. It was another intellectual case for copyright 9 violation. 10 Q. And where was that? 11 A. That was in Boca Raton here. 12 Q. And who was the plaintiff? 13 A. I was the plaintiff. 14 Q. Personally? 15 A. No. It was the company again. 16 Q. Okay. And who was the defendant? 17 A. Some local distributor of architectural 18 products. 19 Q. What was their name? 20 A. I don't remember. 21 Q. Who represented you? 22 A. God. I should remember that. I don't 23 remember. 24 Q. And who was the judge? 25 A. Never got to a judge. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page I I 1 Q. You had a judge assigned, but you don't know 2 who it was? 3 A. No. 4 Q. And who took your deposition? 5 A. Don't remember that either. 6 Q. What firm represented the defendant? 7 A. I don't recall that. 8 Q. Do you remember where your deposition was? 9 A. I'm sorry? 10 Q. Do you remember where your deposition was? 11 Where it was taken? 12 A. It was in some office in Boca, but this was 20 13 years ago. 14 Q. Okay. So you don't remember anything about 15 that case other than the fact that you were plaintiff? 16 A. I remember that we settled. 17 Q. Okay. And do you remember who the attorneys 18 were that represented you on that case? 19 A. You asked me that. I don't remember. 20 Q. Do you remember the firm name? 21 A. Oh, no. They seem to change back and forth. 22 I don't remember who it was. 23 Q. Do you remember your lawyer's name? 24 A. No. 25 Q. Do you remember where the firm was? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. So the only deposition you've given in Florida was 20 years ago? A. Yes. Q. And have you ever testified in any court proceedings? A. No. Q. So you've never been a witness at any trial or hearing? A. I think I was when I was maybe six or seven years old. Q. Okay. Six or seven years old? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 12 A. It was on Federal Highway, near Spanish River. The fellow just built a building, put my products on the building. That is how I met him. Q. The defendant? A. It was a minor case. I don't remember. Q. Was it in state or federal court? A. That would have been state court again. Q. Broward County or Palm Beach? A. Palm Beach County. Q. And did you ever go to court on that case? A. No. Q. Are there any other times where you testified in a deposition? A. No. Q. So the only deposition you've given in Florida was 20 years ago? A. Yes. Q. And have you ever testified in any court proceedings? A. No. Q. So you've never been a witness at any trial or hearing? A. I think I was when I was maybe six or seven years old. Q. Okay. Six or seven years old? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 13 A. I seem to remember that there was an incident where my parents were a plaintiff and I testified. Q. Okay. Do you remember that or -- A. No. Q. You just think that may have happened? A. I'm pretty sure that happened, but I don't remember the details of it. Q. Any other times besides when you were six or seven years old? A. No. Q. And how old are you now? A. Sixty. Q. And do you have any problems with your memory? A. Not more than anyone else, I don't think. Q. Are you on my medication that would affect your ability to remember? A. No. Q. I'm going to give you some parameters or guidelines for a deposition. You may have received these previously when you've been deposed, but in light of your testimony, I want to put this on the record. You do understand, do you not, that I'm going to be asking you a series of questions here today? A. Yes. Q. And that you are expected to answer them only Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 14 1 from your personal knowledge or recollection; you're not 2 to speculate or guess. Do you understand that? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. By the same token, if you don't understand a 5 question I ask, your job is to say that and ask me to 6 rephrase the question. Do you understand that? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. And if I -- if you do answer, we're going to 9 assume that you understood the question. Is that fair? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. If at any time you need to take a break, just 12 let me know, and we'll take a break. Is that fair? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And is there any reason you're unable to give 15 a deposition here today in the case that you've filed? 16 A. No. But I would like to qualify that. I have 17 a condition called, I believe, tinnitus, that makes the 18 room fill with buzzing. So I would appreciate it if you 19 would speak up so I can hear you. 20 Q. Okay. If at any time you can't hear my 21 question, let me know, and I'll speak up. 22 A. Thank you. 23 Q. Or I'll switch spots with Debra, if that's 24 necessary. 25 Today I'm taking your deposition only with Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 15 regard to a motion that was called Plaintiff's Verified Motion to Disqualify Defense Counsel. Are you aware that pursuant to agreement with your attorney the deposition has been limited to that scope? A. Yes. Q. And I take it that you are familiar with the motion, correct? A. Yes. Q. I'm going to mark as Exhibit 1 a copy of the motion that was filed. (Defendant's Exhibit No. 1 was marked for identification.) MR. SWEETAPPLE: I have a copy for you. MR. HANNA: Good. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. If you will, take a look at that motion. Did you -- were you aware this motion was filed? A. You want me to stop looking? Q. Go ahead and take as much time as you need. A. Thank you. Yes. Q. So you saw this motion before it was filed, right? A. Yes. I wanted to confirm it was all there. Q. This is a motion that you -- that's your Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 signature on the verification page? A. Yes. Page 16 Q. You see where it says "this verified motion" and then something is blacked out? Did you black that out? A. No. Q. Do you know what it said there before it was blacked out? A. I could try to make it out; but, no, I don't remember that. Q. Was it -- when you signed it, was it already blacked out? A. Yes. Q. Someone had blacked it out already? A. I'm assuming it was blacked out. I don't recall that. Q. I don't want you to assume. I want you to tell me what you remember. Do you remember whether or not it was blacked out when you signed it? A. I don't remember. Q. But you have sworn to the contents of this motion, correct? A. Yes. Q. And as you sit here today, you swear that the contents of this motion are true, correct? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 17 A. I have to read every word to make sure it's the same, but if it's the same motion, then I do so swear. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Can we stipulate? MR. HANNA: Yes. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. And before you swore out this -- when is the first time that you started to consider, just you, filing a motion to disqualify my firm in this case? Strike that. Before we get to that, when did my firm appear as co- counsel in this case? And I'm referring to Christopher O'Hare versus Town of Gulf Stream, which is the 017717 case that we're here on. A. I believe I was made aware of that a few weeks ago. Q. So you were made aware a few weeks ago that my firm had appeared in the case? A. Yes. Q. Who represents you in this case? A. Mark Hanna. Q. You were not made aware that I appeared in this case on behalf of my firm on April 21st, 2014? A. No. Q. So you didn't learn that I appeared in this Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 18 case until the month of October or the month of September? A. I believe so. Q. When did you -- when did you learn? A couple of weeks ago? A. I think maybe yes. Q. Two weeks ago? A. I can't be sure of the date. Q. Was it two weeks ago? One week ago? Two weeks ago that you learned my firm and me had appeared in this case? A. I can't be sure of the date. Q. I don't want the date. I want to know how many days ago it was. A. I can't be sure of the amount of time that's passed since I learned you were now representing the town against me. Q. When did you -- well, you said it was a couple of weeks ago. A. I think so. Q. So it would have been -- today is October what, 23rd? MR. VARKAS: Twenty- fourth. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. October 24th. Was it during the month of Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 19 October that you learned that I was representing the Town of Gulf Stream in this case? A. I use the term "a few weeks" like I would in construction. It means less than a month. Q. Less than a month. So the first time you even knew I was involved in the case representing the Town of Gulf Stream where you were a party was about a month ago or less than a month ago? A. I think so, yeah. Q. would you pass me back Exhibit 1, please. If that's the case, can you tell me without looking at Exhibit 1 the date you signed this motion? A. No. Q. Do you know if it was more than a month ago or less than a month ago? A. I can't tell you. Q. You don't remember the day you signed it? A. No. Q. Do you know where you were when you signed it? A. Most likely in my office. Q. You don't remember where it was? A. I said it was most likely in my office. Q. I don't want to know most likely where it was. I want to know, do you remember where it was? A. I can't tell you conclusively, no. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 20 Q. Were you in your lawyer's office? A. No. Q. Did you ever meet with your lawyer before this motion -- before you signed this motion? A. Many times. Q. Did you ever meet with him regarding this motion before you signed it, personally meet with him? A. Many times. Q. Okay. So how many times did you meet with him? A. I'm sorry. Let me back up. Did you ask me if I met him regarding this motion? Q. Yes. A. I take that answer back then. I can't say. Q. Do you recall ever meeting with your lawyer, Mr. Hanna, regarding this motion prior to the time you signed it? A. Yes. Q. Did you meet with him in his office? A. No. Q. Where did you meet with him? A. It was probably a phone conversation. Q. That's not a meeting. That's a phone conversation. A. That's your interpretation, sir. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 21 Q. So you had a phone conversation with him regarding this motion before it was filed? A. Yes. Q. How many phone conversations did you have? A. I can't recall that. Q. And how long did these phone conversations last? A. I can't recall that either. Q. Was a month ago -- if a month ago is when you first learned that I was representing the Town of Gulf Stream, is that the first time that you started, you, thinking about moving to disqualify me? A. That question was preceded by an inaccurate statement, which I disagree with. Q. Did you ever -- did you ever decide to move to disqualify me and my firm from representing the Town of Gulf Stream? A. Did I ever decide -- when I first learned that you were representing the town, I did not know it was against me. That was perhaps back in March the 1st, at a commission meeting where Mr. Morgan announced you would be representing the town. Q. I understand that. And you've told me that you believe that you first learned that I was representing the town in a case against you about a Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 22 month ago, right? A. You're asking me about the case here? Q. Right. A. Yes. That was less than a month ago. Q. And that was the first time -- this is the only case I've appeared in involving you, right? A. I can't be sure of that. Q. Okay. Was there any other case besides this case that you believed I was representing the town in? A. Yes. Q. Prior to a month ago involving you? A. No. Q. Okay. So when is the first time you started thinking about moving to disqualify my firm? A. That would be when I was told that you had signed onto the case. Q. Okay. And what date? A. The Notice of Appearance. Q. What date was that? A. I don't know. Q. About a month ago? A. No. That's the very same question you asked me. I said two weeks. Between two weeks and a month, I would suppose. Q. So the first time you started thinking about Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 23 disqualifying me was within the last two weeks to four weeks, right? A. When I learned that you had made a Notice of Appearance. Q. Time wise, that was between two and four weeks ago, right? A. I'm trying to answer your question. I can't answer that accurately. Q. Why not? A. Because I don't remember. Q. Well, you don't remember back a month ago? A. Ask me what I had for breakfast. Q. Do you remember what you had for breakfast? A. Yes. Q. Do you remember what you had for dinner? A. I'm sorry. I choked there. I remember many things. I commit to memory. I don't remember that particular thing. I don't remember. Q. Okay. Well, I just want to hone this down as best I can. I want to know, before you -- before you -- strike that. Tell me as best you recall when you first thought about or ever discussed with anybody the idea of disqualifying my firm in any representation with the Town of Gulf Stream. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 24 MR. HANNA: Object to form. THE WITNESS: I'm trying to be accurate here. My assumption was that you would have never have taken on the position, or that you would have recused yourself from anything against me when I learned that you had made a Notice of Appearance, is when I first discussed doing this motion to disqualify. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Okay. And so when you saw that I was involved in litigation with you, you were somehow offended or shocked and thought I shouldn't be involved in the case, right? A. I was surprised. Q. It was significant to you, right? This was something significant. A. Yes, very much. Q. So when, best you can tell us, did that occur from date wise? How many weeks, days, or months ago was it that you had this -- that you had this surprise? A. I would stand by my earlier testimony, between two weeks and a month. Q. Okay. And you're -- do you get bills from Mr. Hanna? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 25 Q. Itemized bills? A. Yes. Q. On a monthly basis? A. No. Q. How often do you get bills? A. I might get one every few months. Q. Have you gotten a bill recently from him that would show any communication he had with you regarding topics? A. No. Q. Now, when you were -- your first reaction upon learning that my firm had appeared in this case approximately a month ago was a surprise, you said, right? A. I was surprised. Q. And when is the first time that you decided that you should move to disqualify my firm? A. At that same time. Q. So the minute you -- the minute that you learned of it, you made the decision I should be disqualified, right? A. No. Q. How soon after you learned of it? How many hour, days, minutes after you learned that my firm had appeared in this pending case did you decide that you Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 26 should move to disqualify my firm? - A. I don't know. Q. Was it the same day? A. I don't know. Q. Was it the same week? A. I don't know. Q. When did you decide you should move to disqualify my firm? A. Your question asked me in terms of minutes. Q. No, just days. A. That was weeks, and I can't tell you. Q. Can you tell me anything within a week? A. It was very soon after learning. Q. Okay. So sometime within the last month, you decided to move to disqualify me? A. Evidently. Q. And before making the decision to disqualify me, did you do any investigation or research into your records? A. Could you clarify "records "? Q. Did you go look at any documents, any calendars, any data anywhere before you moved -- before you decided you were going to move to disqualify my firm? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 27 Q. What did you go look at? A. The morg file at the Palm Beach Post and Sun Sentinel. Q. The what? The morg file? A. I think it's referred to as the morg file. The archives of past articles. Q. At the Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach Post? A. Yes. Q. And what else did you look at? A. Initially? Q. I want to know everything you looked at before you swore to this motion, which is Exhibit 1. A. I looked at public records of the Town of Ocean Ridge. Q. You went and looked at those, or Mr. Hanna looked at those? A. Mr. Hanna and I share a common interest. I use it interchangeably. Q. So Mr. Hanna went to look at the public records of the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. And I did as well. Q. With him? A. No. Q. You went separately? A. No. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 28 Q. You went with him? A. No. Q. You went after him? A. No. Q. Well, I want to know, you personally and Mr. Hanna personally. I don't want to call you the same entity. With regard to -- right now I want to talk about you. What did you personally do to investigate any facts before you swore under oath and under penalties of perjury to this motion? A. I looked at the archives of the two newspapers. I looked at the public records from the Town of Ocean Ridge. Q. Okay. When you say looked at public records from the Town of Ocean Ridge, are you saying you went to the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. No. Q. How did you look at the public records? A. They were supplied by my attorney. Q. Supplied by your attorney. So your attorney went to the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. He physically, I believe, went to the Town of Ocean Ridge. Q. And he gave you those records, right? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 29 A. Yes. Q. In fact, he got those records after the motion to disqualify me was filed, right? A. I don't know. Q. When were you given these records from the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. I don't know. Q. You don't know when you first got them? A. No. Q. Are you aware that your attorney went to the Town of Ocean Ridge and did a public records request for any documents involving -- MR. HANNA: I'm going to instruct the witness not to answer -- MR. SWEETAPPLE: Other than -- MR. HANNA: -- the question. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Other than conversations with Mr. Hanna, are you aware of that your attorney went to the Town of Ocean Ridge to make a public records request for documents? A. Yes. Q. Are you aware of it otherwise from -- other than from conversations with your attorney? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 30 Q. Hmm? A. Yes. Q. How are you aware of it? A. From Mr. Lou Roeder. Q. He is also an attorney for you, right? A. Yes. Q. So other than Mr. Hanna or Mr. Roeder telling you when the -- when the public records request was made from the Town of Ocean Ridge, do you know when these documents were obtained? A. No. Q. And when were they given to you? A. I don't know. Q. Was it within the last two weeks? A. I can't recall. Q. Was it within the last three weeks? A. I can't recall. Q. Was it during the month of October? A. Yes. I should say I can't recall. Q. Why? A. Because I can't recall. Q. Well, October is 23 days long. Did you get it this month? MR. HANNA: I'm going to instruct -- object Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 31 1 and instruct the witness not to answer. It's all 2 privileged. 3 MR. SWEETAPPLE: What is privileged? 4 MR. HANNA: What I gave him and what we 5 discussed. 6 MR. SWEETAPPLE: I didn't ask what you 7 discussed. I asked what you gave him. What you 8 gave him -- 9 MR. HANNA: Giving him is part of the 10 privilege. 11 MR. SWEETAPPLE: Let's not play games. You 12 know better than that. 13 MR. HANNA: I'm not playing games. 14 MR. SWEETAPPLE: Giving a document, taking 15 money, the identity of the person who came into 16 your office, none of those things are privileged 17 under the law. You should know that. 18 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: 19 Q. Mr. O'Hare, did -- you said that Mr. Hanna 20 handed you some documents from the Town of Ocean Ridge, 21 right? 22 A. No. I did not say that. 23 Q. Did he provide you with any documents -- 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. -- he obtained? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 32 Did -- he didn't hand them to you. How did he transmit them to you? A. I believe I got them from Mr. Roeder. Q. Were they by hand, or were they by e -mail? A. They would have been by hand. Q. And did Mr. Raider come to your office? A. We have offices together. Q. You have offices together. So -- and when did this occur? Was it within the last month? A. I can't say for certain. Q. Did you have the documents you're referring to that were obtained from the Town of Ocean Ridge before you swore to this motion? A. I can't be certain. Q. What can you tell me that you know under oath that you reviewed, that you saw before you swore to this motion? What documents did you actually see before you swore to Exhibit 1? A. I can't be certain of that. I don't know. Q. You don't remember? A. I do not remember. Q. Well, based on your testimony, it would have been within the last month, right? A. I don't remember. Q. But it would have been within the last month, Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 33 1 right? 2 MR. HANNA: Object to form. 3 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: 4 Q. You don't remember what happened within the 5 last month? 6 A. You're making a conclusion, and I don't 7 remember. 8 Q. You just don't remember? 9 A. I don't remember. 10 Q. Do you remember any document that you saw 11 before you swore out Exhibit 1? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. What documents did you see before you swore 14 out Exhibit 1? 15 A. I believe the archive from the Palm Beach Post 16 and Sun Sentinel. 17 Q. You believe or you're certain? 18 A. I'm certain. 19 Q. Did you make copies of any of the archives? 20 A. No. 21 Q. You didn't make copies? 22 A. No. 23 Q. Did you see any article in the Sun Sentinel 24 that referenced that me or my firm had represented you 25 with regard to any matter? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 34 A. No. Q. Did you see any archive in the Palm Beach Post that me or my firm had represented you with regard to any matter? A. No. Q. So those two records did not help you to swear to the matters in Exhibit 1, did they? A. You're asking me a negative question. My answer is they did help me. Q. How did they help you? A. They refreshed my memory. Q. What did they refresh your memory about? A. This provided the dates, the incidents, and that refreshed my memory as to what happened back then. Q. So you didn't have a memory prior to going to those archives? A. I certainly did have a memory. Q. So what -- how did those archives refresh your memory? What did they refresh your memory of? A. They provided me with the dates in chronological order of the incidents. Q. And did you prepare a chronology? A. I'm sorry? Q. Did you write out a chronology? MR. HANNA: I'm going to instruct the witness Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 35 not to answer if that was at my direction. It is attorney - client privilege. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. There is no privilege. I'm not asking you who told you to write it. I want to know did you prepare a chronology when you looked at those articles? A. No. Q. So it refreshed your recollection just in your head? A. I'm sorry. You're asking my recollection of the archived articles? Q. Yeah. When you read those archived articles, it refreshed your recollection as to the events that occurred in the past, right? A. Yes. Q. That you believe relate to my firm and you, right? A. Yes. That, plus conversations I had with people. Q. You basically in the last month have decided to go back and have your recollection refreshed, right? MR. HANNA: Object to form. THE WITNESS: No. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Strike that. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Page 36 Prior to swearing to the verified motion, you felt it necessary to go back and try and have your recollections refreshed, right? MR. HANNA: Object to form. MR. SWEETAPPLE: What's the form objection? MR. HANNA: Mischaracterization. MR. SWEETAPPLE: It's a leading question. I'm not trying to characterize. MR. HANNA: I didn't say leading. I said mischaracterization of it. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Okay. MR. HANNA: You can still answer the question. THE WITNESS: Can you repeat that question? BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Yeah. Is it fair to say that prior to swearing out Exhibit 1, you believed it was necessary to go back and refresh your recollection as to the pertinent events? 19 20 21 22 23 that? 24 25 A. No. Q. So you had -- A. I would say that is fair. Q. You had a clear recollection without doing A. I'm saying I didn't think it was necessary. It was helpful. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 37 Q. It was helpful. Okay. And other than looking at the archives of the two newspapers, did you look anywhere else? A. Yes. Q. Where else did you look? A. I spoke to some neighbors. Q. Which neighbors? A. Jerry Lower, publisher of the Coastal Star. Q. Who else? A. I correct myself. I should have said neighbor. Q. You just spoke to Jerry Lower. A. I tried to talk to another neighbor, but -- Judge Luce Brown, but I couldn't get hold of her. Q. Other than looking at archives and speaking to Jerry Lower, what else did you do to try to refresh your recollection or to investigate before you filed a sworn document with the court? A. I looked for other records. Q. What record did you look for? A. Specifically, I was looking for my datebook from 1998. Q. Datebook from 1998. Did you find it? A. I haven't found it yet. Q. What else did you look for? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 38 A. I looked for billing records. Q. Billing records? A. For representation contract. I looked for payment stubs I made to your firm. I looked for any financial records that would have shown the deduction of monies that I spent with your firm. Q. Such as tax returns? A. I'm sorry? Q. Such as tax returns? A. My accountant said it wouldn't show up on the tax returns. Q. So you looked at billing records, retainer agreement, payment stubs, any type of financial records. What else did you look at? A. I can't recall. I think that's about it. Q. Did you locate anything? A. Did I locate? Q. Did you locate -- let me go through the list. You didn't locate your datebook? A. Not yet. Q. Did you locate any billing records? A. Not yet. Q. Did you locate any retainer agreements? A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Q. Retainer agreements or records. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 39 A. No. Not yet. Q. Payment stubs? A. No. Q. Any financial records? A. No. Q. You looked for -- did you look for all these things before you swore out the motion? A. Yes. Q. So you knew -- so what records -- what records when you swore out the motion did you have in your hand that showed that my firm had represented you in any matter? A. I relied on what was in my head. Q. So -- A. I don't recall what records I might have had at the time. Q. When you swore out the motion, did you have anything tangible such as a document, other than what was in your head? A. I can't recall. Q. You can't recall back at the time you filed this, you swore to this motion, whether or not you had any physical evidence of any of the matters you swore to? A. I'm trying to be surgically precise, and Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 40 you're asking me if I had before or after, and I can't recall. Q. Can't recall back -- you don't know that Mr. Hanna went to town hall to obtain these records within the last two weeks, and that you got them in the last two weeks? You don't know that? A. I can't recall the exact date. Q. You don't know that you got those records from Mr. Hanna after you swore to this motion? A. Same question, same answer. I can't recall the exact date. Q. I'm not asking you the date. I'm asking you if you can recall that you got them within the last two weeks, and that the records you got were after you swore out this motion? MR. HANNA: Object to form. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. By over a month. That -- A. I can't recall. Q. You're not aware that Mr. Hanna obtained records from the Town of Gulf Stream more than a month after you swore to this motion? A. I can't recall that. Q. And you're not aware that you actually swore out this motion about six weeks ago -- or strike that. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 41 About September 11th. A. Are you asking me if that is what it says? Q. Yeah. Do you recall that's when you swore it out, September 11th? A. I can't recall the exact date. Q. Do you have the Palm Beach archives records and Sun Sentinel archive records, or did you just look at them? A. You're asking me if I -- Q. Made copies. A. -- reproduced them? Q. Let me break that down. Did you make any copies of the Sun Sentinel records you looked at? A. I think I may have created a digital file. Q. And how many articles were in that file? A. I can't recall. Q. Were there more than ten Sun Sentinel articles? A. I don't think there were more than ten. Q. Were there more than ten -- did the digital file also include the Palm Beach Post articles? A. Yes. Q. Were there any other newspaper articles such as the Coastal Star? A. No. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 42 Q. How many total articles did you put in this digital file? A. I can't recall that. Q. Was it more than ten? A. Regarding this incident? Q. I want to know how many articles you put in the file. A. I can't recall that. Q. When was it that -- when did you create this file? What day? A. What day did I create it? I'm sure we could find out by looking at the meta text, but I don't recall. Q. What month did you prepare the file? A. That would have been recently, but I can't say. Q. Before or after you swore out the facts in the motion? A. I can't recall. Q. You don't know if you -- but you do swear that you looked at the newspaper records before you swore out the motion, right? A. I can't recall. Q. Did you create the file when you looked at the articles? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 43 A. I looked at the articles a number of times. I'm not sure which time I created the file. Q. How did you look at the articles? On -line? A. Yes. Q. And how many total articles did you look at in the Sun Sentinel and Palm Beach Post combined when you did this research? A. I can't recall. Q. More than ten? A. It would have been a function of the service I paid for that limits you to so many articles. I most likely looked at every article regarding that period, but I can't recall the number. Q. How did you pay to look at it? A. That would have been a credit card. Q. What credit card did you use? A. I used my personal credit card. Q. What bank? A. It's an airline Visa card. Q. What airline? A. Sorry. MasterCard. US Air. Q. Okay. And what newspapers did you pay to do this research? Did you pay the Sun Sentinel? A. Sun Sentinel and the Palm Beach Post. Q. So you had to pay -- you had to give them your Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 44 credit card information on -line before you could get access to these archives, right? A. Yes. Q. So there's a record of when you first had access to these archives, right? A. I would be guessing to assume what the policy is for them keeping track of that. Q. Okay. But you did testify earlier in this deposition when I asked you what you did before you swore out this affidavit, or this motion, you told me if you recall that you searched the archives of these newspapers before you swore out this motion. Do you stand by that testimony? A. I don't know that I said I did it before or after. Q. You don't recall your testimony in this deposition that you -- that when I asked you what you did before you swore out the motion you told me you went and looked at these archives? A. Could you read that back to me? Q. No. I want to know if you recall that. A. Then I can't recall. Q. You can't recall that you testified to that in this deposition within the last half hour? A. I thought that I was clear that I didn't Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 45 remember if it was before or after I swore out the -- Q. Well, what can you be clear about now -- what can you be clear about and swear to that you actually saw in terms of a document before, under oath, you swore to Exhibit 1? A. I can't be sure. Q. You can't remember? You're here testifying as to what you believe occurred 16 years ago. You can't tell me what document you looked at prior to September 11, 2014 when you swore out a legal document? A. I can't be sure if it was before or after I swore it out. Q. So you would have made allegations under oath -- you could have made allegations under oath in this case without ever seeing any document at all; is that what you're saying? That's possible. You don't remember. A. I don't think -- I don't believe I needed those documents to remember the portions that were pertinent to that oath. Q. Okay. We're going to go through what you swore to. Right now I'm just trying to find out what you had at your disposal when you saw fit to swear. Have you received the September Visa statements regarding records of payment? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 46 A. I don't know. Q. Or the October statements? A. I don't know. Q. And is that a credit card in your name? A. My name is on my credit card, yes. Q. Is it your name and your wife's name or just your name? A. My name is on my credit card. My wife's name is on her credit card. Q. This is just your credit card, this US Air credit card? A. I believe the account is in my wife's name. Q. Did you look through your records for copies of pleadings -- A. No. Q. -- in any case? Did you look through your records for copies of any settlement agreements? A. You mean -- you're talking about the incident with Ocean Ridge? Q. No. I'm talking about anything involving my firm. Did you look for any pleadings that you had that my firm prepared? A. I assumed that was all in your firm's records. I didn't have a copy of that. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 47 Q. Okay. And did you look for copies of any settlement agreements involving my firm and you? A. Yes. Q. Before you swore out the application, the motion? A. I can't be sure of that. Q. Okay. Did you look for hearing notices? A. Hearing notices? Q. Uh -huh. A. That would have been part of the public records, so my attorney looked for that. Q. But did you look in your records to see if you had any? Did you look in your personal files to see if you had any legal papers that my firm had prepared? A. Yes. Q. So that would have been notices of appearance or pleadings or notices of hearing or settlement agreements, any legal document at all, retainer agreement. Did you locate any documents in your personal records that involved my firm's representation of you? A. Not yet. I'm sorry. Did you ask me it I looked or I found? Q. If you -- I asked if you looked first, and then did you find any? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 48 A. Yes. Not yet. Q. And how much time did you spend looking? A. I would say a few hours. Q. Where did you look? A. First I looked in the files I keep at my office. Then I looked in the boxes in my attic. Then I looked at some pallets, on a pallet rack at my place of business. Q. And you had records from 1998, didn't you? A. I don't know that for sure yet. Q. Not about my firm. You had plenty of records regarding all these matters that occurred in 197, 198. A. I don't know. Q. You have those files, right? A. I don't know. Q. When you looked through your records for these hours, did you find records back to 1998? A. No. Q. You didn't have any records from 1998 regarding any of these matters that you've set out in your sworn motion? A. I haven't found them yet. Q. Not regarding my firm. Regarding anybody. A. I haven't found them yet. Q. You haven't found them yet. So you haven't Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 49 found any records with regard to anything in 1998; is that what you're saying? A. I haven't found them yet. Q. Are you saying you haven't found any records regarding anything in 1998? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Do you have any records back to 1999? A. I haven't found those either. Q. 2000? A. No. I haven't found that. Q. Have you looked for it? A. I've been looking through my records for long -term storage items like that. I haven't found them yet. Q. What's the furthest back you've been able to find records? A. I don't know. Q. When is the first time you heard my name? A. Heard your name? Q. Uh -huh. A. It was 1997. Q. And how is it that you learned of my name? A. I know someone who I believe was dating your younger brother, and they recommended you. Q. Who was dating my younger brother in 1997? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 Page 50 A. No one that I know of. I'm not sure who dated your younger brother. Q. Do you remember what my younger brother's name 4 was? 5 6 7 1997? 0 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. But someone was dating my younger brother in A. I hope I didn't misspeak. I think it was your younger brother. I'm not sure. Was dating your younger brother at some time prior to when she spoke to me. Q. Dating my brother, okay, in 1997. A. That's not what I said. Q. Someone -- when is the first -- you first heard my name in 1997, right? A. Yes. Q. And who did you hear it from? A. A woman who -- I tried to qualify her identity by saying she was also dating your brother. Q. Oh, she was dating my brother? A. Had previously dated your brother. Q. What is the woman's name? A. I think her maiden name was Diane Falk. Q. Okay. And you knew Diane Falk from where? A. She went to grammar school with my wife. Q. How did you know her? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 51 A. From a circle of friends. Q. Okay. And where were you living at the time? A. I'm sorry? Q. Where were you living at the time? A. Ocean Ridge. Q. What was your address? A. 22 Harbor Drive South. Q. And did you meet Diane Falk, or did you talk to her on the phone? A. I believe it would be -- I don't know. Q. Well -- A. I'm sorry. I don't remember. Could have been a party; could have been on the phone. Q. So do you remember ever meeting Diane Falk? A. Oh, yes. Q. And where did you first meet her? A. In Fort Lauderdale. Q. Okay. And when was that? A. 1980, 1978, sometime then. Q. 1980? A. Or 178. Sometime in the late 170s, early IEI�a Q. So prior to 1997, had you spent -- had you met before with her many occasions? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 52 Q. Would you consider her a friend at that point? A. Yes. Q. She was a friend of your wife's? A. Yes. Q. In 19 -- at or about 1997 you had a conversation with Diane Falk about a lawyer, about looking for a lawyer? A. Yes. Q. Why did you ask Diane Falk about looking for a lawyer? A. I was networking. Q. Just -- A. I was asking everybody. Q. Okay. And what type of legal problem did you have in 1997 that caused you to contact Diane Falk? A. I was a party to a potential litigation in the Town of Ocean Ridge. Q. And what was the potential litigation? A. An apartment building that I had purchased was being challenged by a neighbor; the permit was being challenged by a neighbor for being legal or not. Q. Okay. And you were looking for a lawyer that did land -use litigation? A. No. It was more political advice. Q. Political advice. To represent you -- was Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. Not at that time. Q. And what did you tell Diane when you spoke to her about your search for a lawyer? A. I was looking for a lawyer who was competent and had experience in municipal law, or defending people against municipal actions. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 53 there already some type of a claim or a lawsuit that was pending when you contacted Diane Falk? A. Not against me. Against the town. Q. There was something pending against the town? A. Yes. Q. Who had brought that? A. A fellow named Emmett Pace. Q. So Emmett Pace had a lawsuit against the town? A. At the time I spoke to Diane, it might not have been filed, but it was in the works. Q. Was Emmett Pace someone you knew? A. He was a neighbor. Q. So Emmett Pace was suing the Town of Ocean Ridge or -- Town of Ocean Ridge. And did you have any code violation against you personally or any claims that were brought against you personally by -- A. Not at that time. Q. -- by the town at the time you contacted Diane? A. Not at that time. Q. And what did you tell Diane when you spoke to her about your search for a lawyer? A. I was looking for a lawyer who was competent and had experience in municipal law, or defending people against municipal actions. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 54 Q. And she mentioned -- she recommended me? A. Yes. Q. What did she say? A. She said -- and I'm paraphrasing -- that she knew of a lawyer in Boca Raton who was excellent at fighting city hall. Not her words, but I'm paraphrasing. And she recommended I call you. Q. And did you call me? A. Yes. Q. When did you call me? A. I can't recall the date. Q. Did you speak to me? A. Yes. Q. And do you recall the month? A. No. Q. Do you recall where my office was? A. It was in Boca Raton. And I want to say it was near Mr. Batmasian's property, but I'm not sure. Q. Near Mr. Batmasian's property in Boca Raton. That's not very descriptive. MR. HANNA: He owns the whole town, doesn't he? THE WITNESS: I can't recall the exact address. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 55 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Can you tell me just generally where it was? A. It was closer to downtown Boca Raton, I believe. Q. What street was it on? A. I don't recall. Q. You don't recall where my office was? A. It was in Boca Raton. Q. It was in Boca Raton, but you don't recall -- was it near the mall? Was it on Federal Highway? A. It was near downtown. Q. Near downtown. A. I believe. Q. Well, did you ever come to my office? A. Yes. Q. How many times did you come to my office? A. Two, maybe three times. Q. Two, maybe three times. Okay. Did you meet with me? A. Yes. Q. And how many times did you meet with me? A. Each time I came. Q. And did you meet with anyone else? A. No. Not that I recall. Q. You never met with a Mr. Jonas? Ed Jonas? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. I don't recall Mr. Jonas recall meeting with Mr. Jonas. Q. Do you recall Mr. Jonas? A. Yes. Page 56 I mean, I don't Q. Have you ever talked to Mr. Jonas? A. Yes. Q. And he was of counsel to my firm? A. I'm sorry? Q. He was of counsel to my firm; were you aware of that? A. Yes. I was led to believe that, yes. Q. Who led you to believe that? A. When he showed up and said, I'm here on behalf of Bob. Q. So when -- so you were at my office two to three times in 1997 or 198. A. That would be in 198. Q. So 1998. And you don't recall which month? A. No. Q. Do you recall if it was -- what season it was? Spring, summer, fall? A. Yes. It was a time period from approximately January through -- I want to say April. Q. And you're sure the first time you came into my office was in January, or you just think that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 that -- A. My appointments? Q. -- that shows that you met with my firm or were represented by my firm? A. I think just the datebook. Q. Well, did you ever have any legal bills? A. I'm sure I did. Q. How many legal bills did you have? A. I can't recall that. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 57 A. I know the time period was in the January through April. Q. That's the time period. You don't know -- when's the first time you actually had an appointment and came into my office; do you know? A. It was closer to January than April. Q. You don't know the date? A. No. Q. And you're not sure of the month, are you? A. No. Q. And do you have any records that would show when you came to my office in 1998? A. Had records. Still looking for them. Q. Okay. And what kind of records did you have? A. My datebook. Q. Okay. What other kind of records did you have that -- A. My appointments? Q. -- that shows that you met with my firm or were represented by my firm? A. I think just the datebook. Q. Well, did you ever have any legal bills? A. I'm sure I did. Q. How many legal bills did you have? A. I can't recall that. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 58 Q. And how much did you pay in legal fees; do you A. I can't give you an exact number. Q. Do you have any records to show what you paid in legal fees? A. I'm still looking for them. Q. Do you have any records showing if you paid the fees to me or Mr. Jonas? A. That's just my memory that I paid them to you. Q. So you don't know for sure? A. I don't have that record yet. Q. And have you -- what bank did you deal with in 1998? A. I think it was called Wachovia at the time. Q. You think or you know? A. Yeah. It was called -- I can't be sure. Q. Did you bank with any banks besides Wachovia in 1998? A. Yes. Q. Who else did you bank with? A. I apologize. I don't know. Q. Have you asked any banks for records of your checking accounts back to 1998? A. No, not yet. Q. What banks would you ask for if you were going Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 7 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 59 to ask for records back to 1998? A. Well, I would start with Wachovia, which is now Wells Fargo. Q. Who else? A. I can't recall the other banks. Q. And this apartment that you -- that was the subject of this code violation, who owned the apartment? A. Yes. I owned it. Q. Who owned it? A. I owned it with my wife. Q. Personally or in an entity? A. As an LLC. Q. So the apartment was owned by an LLC. And what was the name of the LLC? A. Ocean Ridge Holdings. Q. Ocean Ridge Holdings. A. LLC. Q. LLC. Okay. So are you looking for -- does Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, still exist? A. Yes. Q. Does it have records? A. Yes. Q. Did you look at all the Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, records prior to swearing out this petition? A. I haven't been able to find them all yet. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 60 Q. You haven't been able to find any records involving my firm and Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, other than the records that were obtained from Ocean Ridge town hall, right? A. I haven't found any records at Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, yet regarding your firm. Q. Other than what was obtained by your attorneys from town hall? A. That was not anything to do with Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC. Q. It wasn't? A. Maybe I misunderstood your question. Q. Who owned the apartment building that was the subject of the Ocean Ridge -- you said there was a violation in Ocean Ridge involving an apartment building. A. Later on in April there was a violation. Q. Who owned that property? A. I did with my wife. Q. Personally? A. Through Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC. Q. Well, the legal owner of the property was Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC. A. Which I own. Q. Which you are a member of? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 61 A. I suppose that is one way to put it. Q. Well, when was Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC formed? A. Just prior to buying that property. No. I'm sorry. I need to correct myself. Around the time of buying the property. Q. When was the property purchased? A. I want to say prior to 1997. Q. Okay. And did you ever -- did you ever sign a retainer agreement with my firm on behalf of Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, to your knowledge? A. I can't recall that. Q. Did you ever personally sign a retainer agreement that you can swear to? A. I personally signed. Whether it was under my name or ocean Ridge Holdings, it was probably my name. Q. Do you recall? I want to know what you can swear to. We're going to deal with your -- A. I can't swear to what was on the agreement. Q. Can you swear that you even signed a retainer agreement? A. I'll swear to that. Q. You recall a retainer agreement. You swear -- you can swear here under oath that you signed -- you personally put your name on a retainer agreement with my Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 law firm? Page 62 A. Yes. Q. And what -- when did you do that? When did you sign that retainer agreement? A. Between January and April of 198. Q. And did you swear -- did you sign it individually, or did you sign it on behalf of Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC? A. I don't recall that. Q. Did your wife sign it? A. I'm sorry? Q. Did your wife sign it? A. I don't recall that. Q. Was your wife present at any of these meetings you say occurred, the two to three meetings that occurred at my office? A. Not at your office, no. Q. Was your wife ever present at any meeting with me? A. I think she might -- Q. I don't want "think might." I want to know was your wife ever present at any meeting with me that you know of? A. I can't say. Q. Did your wife ever have any phone Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 63 conversations with me that you're aware of? A. Not that I'm aware of. Q. Were you ever a party to any phone conversations between me and you where your wife was present? A. A joint conversation between the three of us, I don't remember. Q. And did you -- in 1998, who were the managers of Ocean Ridge Holding, LLC? A. That would be myself and Shelley Childers O'Hare; my wife. Q. So you were each members? A. Yes. Q. And when -- did you get a Notice of Violation from the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. At one point, yes. Q. When you got this Notice of Violation, what was it for? A. I want to say it was a code -- I will say it was a code violation. Q. And who was the Notice of Violation issued to? You and your wife personally or Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC? A. I don't remember that. Q. How can you not remember that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 64 A. I don't remember that. Q. Didn't you review the documents Mr. Hanna gave you that he obtained from the Town of Ocean Ridge prior to coming to the deposition? A. Prior meaning... Q. Within the last -- strike that. From the time -- when you got the documents from Mr. Hanna or Mr. Raider from the Town of Ocean Ridge, did you review them? A. I read them, yes. Q. That was within the last month, you say, right? A. Yes. Q. What did they show? Did they show that the violation was issued to you and your wife personally, or was it issued to Ocean Holdings, LLC? A. I don't recall that. Q. And was there a settlement agreement with the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. Yes. Q. And who were parties to it? You and your wife individually or the Town of Ocean Ridge? Strike that. Or Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC. A. I can't recall that. Q. You just read the documents. You can't Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 65 recall? A. I don't recall whether the documents named me or the Ocean Ridge Holdings. I would have seen both and thought of them as the same thing. Q. And you did see a letter from Mr. Jonas, right; from my firm? A. You mean in the Ocean Ridge records? Q. Yes. A. Yes. I think so. Q. Was that letter to you and your wife individually? To you individually? To Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC? Who was that letter addressed to? A. I can't recall. Q. You just saw the letter, Mr. O'Hare. You're telling me you can't recall what the letter said, who it was addressed to? A. I can't recall. Q. Who does the letter show was being represented? A. I can't recall. Q. What matter is referenced in the letter as being the scope of the representation? A. I'm sorry. State that -- Q. What matter is referenced in the letters from my firm? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 66 A. That would be the settlement agreement between myself and the town. Q. And was the settlement agreement signed by the entity, the LLC, or by you and your wife individually? A. I can't recall that. Q. And who showed up at the hearing in April the day the settlement agreement was signed? A. That was Mr. Jonas. Q. Isn't it a fact that you and your wife appeared personally without an attorney? Mr. Jonas didn't go with you. A. I can't recall that. Q. Okay. So you say you met with me two to three times, and you believe it was between January and April of 2000 -- strike that -- of 1998. Correct? A. Yes. Q. And it was in my office in Boca Raton. A. I met you two or three times in your office. Q. That's the only place you met me, right? No place else? A. No. Q. Is that correct? A. No. Q. Where else did you meet me? A. At the Town of Ocean Ridge Town Hall. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 67 Q. At the Town of Ocean Ridge Town Hall. When was that? A. Let me finish answering your question. I believe I also met you at my home. Q. At your home? A. A few blocks away from Ocean Ridge Town Hall. Q. When did you meet with me at the Ocean Ridge Town Hall? A. Q• A. yes. s Q A Q A Q. meeting? Between January and April. Was that at a meeting? It was prior to, during and after meeting, I was present at a meeting? Yes. Did I appear at that meeting? Yes. Did I speak at that meeting? Yes. Okay. Have you asked for records of that A. That was a private meeting. Q. Private meeting? A. Between myself, you, and the town attorney and Mr. Nicoletti. Q. Okay. And have you looked for any records Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 68 concerning such a meeting? A. No. Q. Have you talked to Mr. Nicoletti about whether or not such a meeting occurred? A. No. Q. And where did this meeting occur? A. At the town hall of Ocean Ridge. Q. And what month? A. It would be closer to January than April; sometime in that time period. Q. Do you have any records regarding that meeting? A. Only my memory. Q. Okay. A. So far. Q. And was it on the day of a public hearing? A. No. Q. Was it about some pending case? A. It was to hammer out the settlement agreement with the town. Q. To hammer out the settlement agreement? A. Yes. Q. Which settlement agreement? A. Where the town would dismiss the code violation charge against me in exchange for certain Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 69 things on my behalf. MR. SWEETAPPLE: So it was -- I'd appreciate it if you don't have records out that you can look at while -- MR. HANNA: Okay. THE WITNESS: I can't see them without my glasses. MR. SWEETAPPLE: I know, but I just don't think it's appropriate. I have all those records here. I'm going to be identifying them as we go through them. MR. HANNA: Oh, you do? Okay. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Sure. I got them right after you got them. I know exactly when you were there, who you spoke to, where you got them from, and when. MR. HANNA: It's not a secret. MR. SWEETAPPLE: No, it's not a secret. It's public information. I did the same thing you did. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So the code -- the meeting with Mr. Nicoletti regarding the code violations, to hammer them out, who was present at that meeting besides you, me, and Mr. Nicoletti? A. I believe it was the three of us. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 70 Q. And it concerned the code violations on this apartment building? A. Yes. Let me go back and correct that. I think there were other people that came in and out of the room, but it was primarily the three of us. Q. Code violations regarding the apartment building was the subject of the conference, right? A. Code violation. Q. Code violation. Okay. So other than two to three meetings in my office, that you say we had, and the meeting we had with Mr. Nicoletti at city hall, you also believe I came to your home. A. Yes. Q. And you're testifying under oath that I've been to your home; you're sure I've been to your home? A. Yes. That's my recollection. Q. Can you swear I've been to your home? A. I can swear that's my recollection. Q. When was I at your home? A. Prior to the meeting. Q. Prior to the meeting. To pick you up, or I did go inside your home? A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Q. Did I pick you up, or was it to -- did I go into your home? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 71 A. I recollect that you came in, and then we proceeded to the meeting. Q. Did we talk in your home? A. We have spoken in my home, on the phone. Q. In your home, did we speak? A. I'm sure we -- I recollect that we must have had some -- you didn't come in there with your mouth zipped. Yeah, you must have said something. Q. Are you speculating, or do you recall? A. I'm sorry. I am speculating. I can't recall exactly what was said. Q. Okay. Was your wife there? A. I can't recall that. Q. Was anybody else there? A. I can't recall. Q. What room did we go into? A. My living room. Q. Did we sit down? A. I can't recall that. Q. How long was I in your house? A. I would say I recollect it being -- Q. Do you know? Do you know? A. Do I know? Q. Do you have a specific recollection that you can swear to? You're making sworn allegations in a Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 court proceeding. A. Yes. Page 72 Q. I caution you that you need to be testifying from your personal knowledge under oath. What can you tell me under oath as to how long I was in your home? A. I can't give you an exact number. Q. Do you know what I was wearing? A. No. Q. Do you know what I was driving? A. I don't remember. Q. Was I driving? A. Yes. I remember that. Q. Was I with someone else? A. I don't remember that. Q. Do you remember what kind of car I had? A. I don't remember. Q. Do you remember if my hair was white? A. If it was white? Q. Yes. A. No. I don't think it was. I'm sorry. It wasn't white. Q. It was just a little joke. So this was -- this was -- you say I was in your home prior -- immediately prior to going to town hall to meet with Mr. Nicoletti? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 73 1 A. That's my recollection. 2 Q. How long did we meet with Mr. Nicoletti? secretary? 3 A. Perhaps -- I'm sorry. Between 30 minutes and 4 90 minutes. If I personally had a conversation with you 5 Q. You don't know between 30 and 90 how many 6 minutes? I don't recall that. 7 A. No. that you dealt with? 8 Q. What was the purpose of me going to your home? 9 Was it to pick you up? 10 A. I think the purpose was -- well, I don't know 11 what the purpose was. office on in 1998? 12 Q. Did we -- did I have a conversation with you 13 prior to going to your home to say I was coming to your 14 home? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And that wasn't with my secretary? 17 A. You asked me if we had correspondence. 18 Q. If I personally had a conversation with you 19 that I was coming to your home? 20 A. I don't recall that. 21 Q. Did I have a secretary that you dealt with? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. What was her name? 24 A. I don't know. 25 Q. And what street was my office on in 1998? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 74 A. I don't know. Q. Was it east of Federal Highway or west of Federal Highway? A. I don't recall. Q. Was it north of Glades Road or south of Glades Road? A. I don't recall. Q. Was it east of the Intracoastal or west of the Intracoastal? A. I don't recall. Q. What was it near? What store, building, shop, landmark was it near? A. I don't recall. Q. What did the building look like? A. I don't recall. Q. Was it in a building with an elevator? Do you remember if you could see the ocean? A. I don't remember. Q. Could you see the ocean from my office? A. I don't recall that. Q. What could you see from my office? A. I could see your secretary /receptionist and pictures on the wall. You're standing there in a suit. That's all I remember. Q. Do you remember if it was in a multistory Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 75 building and what floor I was on? A. I can't recall. I'm sorry. We were on the ground floor, I believe, of some building. But I don't remember how many stories might have been on the building. Q. Are you speculating again, or do you have any specific recollection? A. I'm sorry? Q. Do you have a specific recollection? A. I don't have a specific recollection of the outside of the building. Q. What about inside? How many floors were in the building? A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear. Q. How many floors were in the building? A. I don't know that. Q. Do you recall any building that was in the vicinity of my office building? A. No. Q. You say you were there two or three times. What can you tell me -- if I wanted you to tell me where my office building was or what it looked like when you went there the two or three times, what would you tell the judge about my office specifically that you can swear to? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 76 A. I could tell them that there was a receptionist. That there was a secretary. That you were standing there. You were there. You welcomed me into your office. The walls were white. There was carpet. Tile. I'm sorry. I don't remember. Q. You specifically recall there was a receptionist? A. I remember a reception desk, yes. Q. So when you you came in there was a receptionist. Are you aware there was no receptionist in that office? A. I can't recall. Q. There was no receptionist at all anywhere in that office; are you aware of that? A. I can't recall. If you're telling me that now, I'll take you at your word. Q. Well, there wasn't. Is there anything you can swear to about my office, anything physical about my office -- the walls were not white. They were wallpaper, but that's -- you don't remember my wallpaper. Do you remember my office at all? A. I remember you. Q. Okay. Do you remember my office at all? A. I think I focused on you. Q. Do you remember -- is there anything you can Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 77 testify that you remember about my office? Where it was? What it was near? What the building looked like? Where you parked? Where about in town it was? Anything? A. Nothing more than what I've already told you. Q. And what is it that you've told me that you can swear to? A. I met you at your office. I remember you were in your office. Q. So two to three meetings in my office, you say. One meeting at your home. You don't remember anything that was discussed. A meeting with Mr. Nicoletti that you say was either 30 to 90 minutes. Any other meetings where you and I talked, you say? A. Phone conversations. If you consider that a meeting. Q. How many phone conversations do you believe you had with me? A. Less than ten, more than five. Q. Did you ever see a bill where you were invoiced for any phone conversations with me? A. The only bill I remember was when I went to your office to get an adjustment on the fee. Q. And how much was the fee? A. I don't recall the exact number. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 78 Q. Who did you talk to about an adjustment? A. You. Q. So you were complaining about the bill? A. No. No. Q. Did you meet with me regarding the bill? A. Yes, I met with you. Q. And did you have a copy of an invoice? A. Yes, I believe I did. Yes. Q. And how much was the invoice? A. I don't recall. Q. What period of time was the invoice for? A. I believe it was only a single one for the entire time you represented me. Q. Do you know, or you're guessing? A. I don't remember. Q. How many invoices do you specifically recall, that you actually recall that you received from my firm? A. One. Q. One invoice. Okay. And for what period of time was the invoice? A. Between January and April of '98. Q. The invoice said it was January through April? A. No. That's the period of time that the invoice was part of. But I can't tell you the extent of the time. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 79 Q. Was there any billing for January on the invoice? A. I can't recall that. Q. Was there any billing for February on the invoice? A. I can't recall. Q. Was there any billing from March on this invoice? A. I don't recall the invoice. Q. How much was the total time of me on that invoice? A. I'm sorry. Q. Was there any time specifically billed for me that you recall on that invoice? A. Yes. Q. How much time was for me was billed? A. I don't remember that. Q. Was there any time for Mr. Jonas? A. I don't remember that. Q. And was there any time for any other lawyer or paralegal? A. I don't remember that. Q. And tell me who was the client on the invoice. A. I would be assuming. I couldn't tell you for sure. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 Page 80 Q. Do you remember what the firm name was on the 2 1 invoice? 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. No. Q. Do you know if the invoice was from Mr. Jonas or from me? Do you know if it was Edward Jonas, of counsel? Do you know if it was his invoice or a Sweetapple invoice? A. My recollection is it was just the firm's invoice. Q. But you don't know? A. I can't remember. Q. You don't see the invoices, as you're sitting here, in your head? A. I'm sorry. Q. You don't see this invoice, as you're sitting here, in your head. You can't picture it. A. No. Q. And you haven't -- have you seen a copy of any invoice in the last ten years from my firm? A. I haven't been able to find it. I haven't seen it in the last ten years. Q. So you were aware there was one invoice you believe, right? A. That was the reason for our meeting. Yes. Q. How many invoices do you swear that my firm Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page RI issued to you or that were issued to you regarding any involvement with me? A. I can't swear to a number. Q. Was there more than one invoice you received? A. I don't remember. Q. Do you recall receiving more than one invoice? A. I don't recall. Q. And do you recall roughly the amount of the invoice? A. Between 10 and 15,000. Q. Between 10 and $15,000. A. It was a flat fee that I was getting a final adjustment on. Q. So you paid a flat fee when you hired the firm? A. Yes. Q. okay. And the flat fee was 10 to 15, but you're not sure if it was 10 or $15,000? A. When I say "flat fee," I meant retainer. It was the amount it was going to take for the representation. Q. So your testimony is there was a retainer that was put in my trust account? A. I don't know where it went. Q. Well, was there a retainer that was supposed Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 M 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to go into my trust account and be held? Page 82 A. I don't know that. Q. Was the fee nonrefundable or refundable? A. I don't think it was refundable. I thought it was to go against expenses, which is why I was there to get the balance that hadn't been spent. Q. So there was -- you don't remember if the fee was refundable or nonrefundable in this agreement that you say existed? Strike that. Let me lay a predicate. Was there a written fee agreement? A. Yes. Q. And who was -- now I'm talking about the written fee agreement, not the written invoice that you're testifying to. Who were the parties to the written fee agreement? A. When you say "fee agreement," I'm understanding a representation agreement. Q. Yeah. A retainer agreement. A. It was -- that was a written. Q. Representation agreement. Okay. And who was the law firm in the agreement? Was it Edward Jonas, of counsel? Was it my law firm? Do you recall specifically? A. I remember it said Robert Sweetapple on it. Q. It said Robert Sweetapple, my name? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 83 A. Your name appeared somewhere on there. Q. Okay. Do you remember what it said, who the law firm was? A. I can't recall that. Q. Do you remember who the client was? A. It was me, but you're making a distinction between me and Ocean Ridge Holdings. It was one of us. Q. You don't remember which? A. I couldn't say for sure. Q. Was your wife one of the clients? A. I couldn't say for sure. Q. Did she ever sign an agreement? A. I don't remember. Q. Was her name on any bill? A. I'm sorry? Q. Was her name on any bill? A. I don't recall that. Q. The retainer agreement that you say you signed, can you swear you signed a written retainer agreement? A. I can swear to that. Q. How many retainer agreements have you signed in your life? How many law firms have you retained? A. Over six. Q. Did you have anyone review this retainer Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 84 agreement? A. Yes. Q. Who did you have review it? A. Some would have been reviewed by me, some as well by Shelley. Q. Shelley who? A. I'm sorry. My wife. Q. Okay. So did she -- A. Some were reviewed by -- Q. I'm talking about this retainer agreement you say you signed with my firm. Did you have anyone review that before you signed it? A. I don't recall that. Q. So you didn't have a lawyer review it? A. I was hiring a lawyer. Q. Did you have a lawyer review it before you signed it? A. Besides you, no. Q. Did your wife review it? A. I don't remember. Q. Did your wife -- did you ever ask your wife to sign it? A. I don't remember. Q. Was your -- did you understand that your wife was my client? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 retainer agreement. Q. Tell me anything it said, anything you specifically recall the retainer agreement said. A. I can't recall. Q. Do you recall if it had a scope of representation clause in it? A. I can't recall. Q. Do you recall if the -- do you recall if the retainer was -- the amount of the retainer? Can you specifically recall the amount of the retainer, as you sit here? A. I specifically recall it was between 10 and 15. Q. You don't remember? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 85 A. Do I understand? Q. Did you believe that I was representing your wife? A. Yes. Q. Have I ever met your wife? A. I don't recall that. Q. And this retainer agreement, how many pages was it? A. I don't recall. Q. And what did it say? A. I can't give you -- I can't recite the retainer agreement. Q. Tell me anything it said, anything you specifically recall the retainer agreement said. A. I can't recall. Q. Do you recall if it had a scope of representation clause in it? A. I can't recall. Q. Do you recall if the -- do you recall if the retainer was -- the amount of the retainer? Can you specifically recall the amount of the retainer, as you sit here? A. I specifically recall it was between 10 and 15. Q. You don't remember? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 86 A. No. Q. And do you recall if the retainer agreement said the retainer was refundable or nonrefundable? A. I don't understand. Q. Do you recall if it said -- my retainer agreements have a check, whether the retainer is refundable or nonrefundable. A. You mean -- Q. The bar requires you tell people that. Do you recall if there was a retainer agreement that says the fee was refundable or nonrefundable? A. My understanding is it was going to be consumed by whatever hours you spent. Q. Did you have an agreement with regard to the hourly rate? A. I don't recall that. Q. Do you know what my hourly fee was in 1998? A. I don't recall. Q. Did you ever discuss with -- strike that. Did the fee agreement have an hourly rate in it for any lawyers? Did it name lawyers and give an hourly rate? A. I apologize. I got -- I could very easily confuse it with other agreements. I can't be sure. Q. Was Mr. Varkas' cabinet name on the agreement? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 87 A. I don't recall that. Q. Did you ever meet Mr. Varkas when you were in my office? A. I don't remember ever having met him. Q. Was Mr. Jonas' name on this retainer agreement? A. I don't recall. Q. Did Mr. Jonas have a billing rate? A. Not that I can recall. Q. So you don't remember what attorneys were on this agreement, correct? What attorneys are named on the agreement? A. Only you. Q. And you don't remember any billing rates? A. I don't remember that part. Q. So other than -- other than the two to three meetings in my office, the one time I was in your home, and then you said there was a meeting with Mr. Nicoletti -- Nicolitis. MR. HANNA: Nicoletti. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. In this case. A. Paul Nicoletti. Q. Nicoletti. Are there any other times that you and I met or spoke? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 A. On the phone. Page 88 Q. Other than that, any other times? A. I can't recall any other times. Q. Okay. With regard to Mr. Nicoletti, that meeting you say took place before a city council meeting or town council meeting? What is it, Town of Ocean Ridge or town council? A. I believe it took place before a code enforcement hearing before a special magistrate. Q. Code enforcement hearing and -- all right. And so I met with you and Mr. Nicoletti before this code enforcement hearing, correct? A. That's my recollection. Yes. Q. What month was this code enforcement hearing? A. March or April of 198. Q. And who was the magistrate? A. I can't recall. Q. And what time was that? Was it evening? Daytime? A. The code enforcement hearing? Q. Yes. A. It was daytime. Q. And who was present at the hearing? A. Quite a few people. Q. Who was present? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 89 A. I can't recall all their names. Q. Can you recall anybody that was there? A. I was there. Q. Who else? A. Shelley was there. Q. Your wife was there. Okay. She was there with me, you're saying, at this code enforcement hearing? A. I didn't say that. Q. Well, she was there when I was there. A. You weren't at the code enforcement hearing, I don't think. I'm sorry. I don't recall that. Q. You said I met with Mr. Nicoletti the day of the code enforcement hearing. A. No. The day before the code enforcement hearing. Q. The day before the code enforcement hearing. So I wasn't at the code enforcement hearing. A. I don't recall you being there. Q. Who was present at the code enforcement hearing? A. I don't recall. Q. And you're sure I met with Mr. Nicoletti the day before the code enforcement hearing, not that I had a phone conference with him? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 90 A. You were definitely there. It might have been a few days before, but it was just prior to the code enforcement hearing. Q. It was me in person? A. You in person with Mr. Nicoletti and myself and I believe the town manager might have come in and out a few times. Q. Who was the town manager? A. A fellow named Lanker. Q. Lanker? Is he still there? A. No. Q. And was this the day before the code enforcement hearing or several days before the code enforcement hearing? A. Just prior. Q. One day before? The day of? A. I can't swear to the exact date; the day before, two days before, just prior. Q. What day of the week was this code enforcement hearing? A. I don't know. Don't remember. Q. And you don't know how many days before you say I went to town hall with you? A. It was just prior. Q. Just prior. Like one day, two days, three Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 91 days, something like that? A. Something like that. Q. And you're sure I was physically at this meeting? A. I remember that very well. Q. And you're sure it wasn't a telephone conference where I participated with Mr. Jonas with Mr. Nicoletti? A. No. I remember distinctly incidents that happened there. Q. Okay. And at this meeting, was Mr. Jonas present? A. I don't believe I saw you two together. I can't swear to that. Q. You don't know? A. Don't remember that. Q. Okay. Where did the meeting take place with Mr. Nicoletti? A. In a small anteroom to the west of the town's chambers. Q. This was in the new town hall or old town hall? A. Old town hall. Q. Okay. And do you recall -- did you say anything at the meeting? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 M 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 92 A. Yes. Q. What did you say at the meeting? A. I remember saying "Way to go, Bob" at the end of it. I did not contribute much to the meeting. Q. What did you say at the meeting? A. Can't recall. Q. Do you recall saying anything? A. I recall listening. Q. What did I say at the meeting that you specifically recall? A. Mr. Nicoletti was sitting at a computer terminal typing a settlement agreement. You were standing. And basically I remember you telling him what to write, and also telling him that we were going to file a federal lawsuit regarding my civil rights for allowing people to do things before and after me that they denied me the ability to do. Q. So while he was typing a settlement agreement, I was telling him that we were going to file a lawsuit? A. I remember him being very nervous and you standing over him. Yes. I remember. Basically -- I'm sorry. I shouldn't say basically. I remember you saying things specific to him on the topic and dictating to him some of the finer language of the settlement agreement. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 93 Q. So we had already agreed to settle at that meeting? A. Yes. Q. And he was typing the settlement agreement? A. Yes. Q. And while he was typing, I was telling him that I was going to file a suit or that you had a suit and you were dismissing it or releasing it? A. I recollect at the beginning of the meeting there was the discussion about what could happen if we didn't follow through with this settlement agreement. And during his typing, you were telling him how to change some of the language. Q. So prior to him typing the settlement agreement, I threatened to file a civil rights suit on your behalf or on behalf of your entity? A. I didn't hear the beginning. Q. Prior to him typing the settlement agreement, it's your testimony that I had threatened him that I was going to file a federal civil rights suit on behalf of you or your entity. A. As I remember it, there was some pauses where he objected to certain language, and that's when you mentioned those things. And then he continued to type. So there would be an intermission in his typing. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 94 Q. So prior to him starting to type, that I mentioned a federal lawsuit that could be filed? A. No. It might have been -- might not have been prior to, but during the time he was typing, he stopped his typing while you discussed certain issues, and then resumed his typing. Q. Is there anything else that you recall specifically me saying at that meeting? A. I don't recall at the moment, no. Q. Do you recall any name or number that that civil lawsuit had that I made a reference to? A. I can't swear to a specific language. Q. Do you recall me ever saying a 1983 action, for instance? A. I don't know at the time I would have recognized it anyway. It didn't stick in my head. Q. So you recall that I came to a meeting with Mr. Nicoletti. We discussed a settlement agreement which he typed. And while he was typing, I mentioned that you had a possible federal civil rights case that could be brought against the town? A. No. He had stopped his typing. There was discussion. Then he would resume his typing. Q. Okay. Anything else that was said during that meeting that you recall? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 95 A. Not that I recall. No. Q. Did this case in the Town of Ocean Ridge -- strike that. Were there any other conversations that you have been present with me that have been had with third parties, conversations that were had other than with you privately? A. I don't recall that, no. Q. And during this case in Ocean Ridge, were there any public record requests that had been made by anybody? A. Yes. I made some. Q. You made some public record requests? A. Yes. Q. When did you make those requests? A. After one of our conversations, you had suggested I get certain documents, and I went to town hall and asked for them and reviewed them. Q. So you're volunteering that I suggested to you -- you're waiving the lawyer- client privilege with regard to the communication saying that I suggested to you that you go to town hall and get public records documents? A. I'm not clear. You're saying I'm waiving our -- Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 IM 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 96 Q. You have a lawyer here representing you today, right? A. Yes. Q. And did you ever see an e-mail he sent me a couple of days ago about the lawyer - client privilege? A. No. Q. And my communications with you? A. I saw some e- mails, but can you be more specific about the one you're talking about? Q. The one where he indicated that it was a minefield, and that my questioning you might invade the lawyer- client privilege, and I shouldn't go into our communications that were had in private. A. I remember reading that e-mail. Q. You just volunteered that I suggested you go get public records from the town hall. Are you waiving your lawyer- client privilege as to the conversations you and I had, these meetings and phone calls you have testified to, or are you invoking the lawyer- client privilege with regard to those? A. I'm still not clear on what it is you're asking me. Which privilege are you talking about? Q. You're saying that there was a lawyer- client privilege. Your lawyer has written me saying there was a lawyer- client privilege; that you have actually had Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 97 communications with me that you believe are privileged. Are you invoking the privilege as to those conversations, are or you waiving it by telling me what we talked about? A. No. I'm not waiving any privilege. Q. Okay. So why did you volunteer that I told you -- or we discussed that you would go to city hall and get records? A. It never occurred to me at the time that I could even get records from the town before talking to you. Q. So you went to the town and you got records. A. Yes. Q. And did you give those records to me? A. No. I reviewed the records in town hall under the supervision of the clerk. Q. okay. And you didn't know back in 1998 that you had the right to go see records regarding your property that were in the town's keeping? A. I knew you were entitled to your birth certificate and some death certificates. But, no, I didn't know you could go in and have access to all the records that are available to you. Q. So you went and looked at those records. But there was no litigation involving public records Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 98 requests in 1998 that I was involved in, was there? A. No. The town was very forthcoming with the records. Q. So the case that you filed a motion to disqualify me in is a public records request case, right? A. Yes. Q. And there was no public records request litigation going in that -- at that time, right? A. No. Q. And there was no -- in fact, there was no litigation going on between you and the Town of Ocean Ridge that I was your attorney on, right? It was a code enforcement violation. A. I consider that litigation. Q. Other than the code enforcement, there was no litigation that I represented you in, right? A. Not formally, no. Q. And were you involved in any litigation at the time of this code enforcement? Were you a party in any litigation? A. Just prior. Q. Was it settled? A. It was settled, yes. Q. And what was the style of that case? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 99 A. I'm sorry. What was what? Q. What was the style of the case? A. The style? Q. Yeah. Who was the plaintiff? Who was the defendants? A. I'm sorry. I'm not familiar with the term "style." The town was the plaintiff. No. The town was a defendant, and Emmett Pace was the plaintiff, and I associated with it because it was regarding my property. Q. So you were a party? A. I don't remember if I was a formal party or not. Q. Did you have a lawyer that appeared in the case? A. No. At the time I was just getting advice over the phone. Q. So you didn't have a lawyer that appeared in that case, and you weren't a party in that case. A. I don't think I was -- I don't know if I was a party or not. Q. Do you know if you had an attorney that appeared in the case? A. Just advice I got from you over the phone. Q. Did you have an attorney that appeared in the case? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Pap 100 1 A. No. No. 2 Q. So you don't know if you were a party in this 3 case, the Emmett Pace case, right? 4 A. This is a technical question, because I was a 5 commissioner at the time. The town was being sued. So 6 I guess technically I was a party as a commissioner. 7 Q. Were you personally named or just the town? 8 A. I was indicated in it because it was my 9 property. So I believe my name appeared in the 10 complaint, but I don't know if I was officially a party 11 to the action. 12 Q. Were you served with a complaint? 13 A. The town was. 14 Q. Were you personally served with a complaint? 15 A. I don't remember that. 16 Q. Were you personally named in the complaint? 17 A. I'm not familiar -- I'm not sure what "named" 18 means. 19 Q. Who were the defendants that were named in the 20 complaint? Who were identified as defendants? 21 A. The defendant -- well, the Town of Ocean 22 Ridge. 23 Q. Were you personally named as a defendant? 24 A. I don't remember that. 25 Q. Was your wife personally named as a defendant? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 101 A. I don't remember that. Q. Was the owner of the property named as a defendant? A. You mean Ocean Ridge Holdings? Q. Wasn't that the name of the owner of the property? A. I'm the owner of the property. I was the owner of the property. Q. The property was owned and titled by Ocean Ridge Holdings, LLC, right? A. Yes. Q. Was it named as a defendant? You know who I'm talking about when I say owner of the property, right? A. I use the terms interchangeably, but I thought you made a distinction. I was trying to be correct in my answer. Q. Well, the owner has title, right? You may own the entity or you may not. We'll ascertain that. But we know as a matter of public record who the owner of this property was, right? A. The property was owned in name by Ocean Ridge Holdings, and my wife and I own the property through Ocean Ridge Holdings. Q. You're members of the entity? A. I'm sorry. I'm not savvy enough to know what Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 the distinction is. Page 102 Q. And, Mr. O'Hare, was Ocean Ridge Holdings named as a defendant in that Emmett Pace lawsuit? A. I don't remember. Q. Was Emmett Pace a friend of yours, neighbor of yours? What was your relationship with Mr. Pace? A. Acquaintance. Q. Pardon? A. Acquaintance. Q. Was he adverse to you? Was he the one complaining about this -- was he complaining about this apartment building? A. Was he adverse to me? Q. Was he complaining to the town about your -- the apartment building? A. Subject to the complaint was the fact that the town gave me a permit to make these improvements that I made. Q. So he was objecting to what happened? A. He objected to the permit being issued. Q. So what was the cause of action he brought to you? Do you recall what it was? Was it for some type of corruption, abuse? A. I believe the cause of action was that the town issued a permit to me, when he thought the town Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 IM 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 did he not? A. He represented the town. Q. Did the town have any other attorney that represented it? A. I don't know if there was an insurance attorney. I couldn't say. I don't know for sure. Q. And, to your knowledge, have I ever appeared at any Ocean Ridge Town Hall meeting on any matter? A. I don't recall. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 103 should not have done that. Q. You don't remember what the cause of action was called? Did you ever see a copy of the complaint? A. I don't recall that. Q. You don't recall ever seeing it? A. I don't recall. Q. Did you ever go to court with regard to it? A. No. Q. Did you ever testify with regard to it? A. I can't remember. Q. was it the subject of any hearings before the town council? A. It was brought up at council meetings. Q. Who was the town attorney at that time? A. Paul Nicoletti. Q. He represented the town in that lawsuit, or did he not? A. He represented the town. Q. Did the town have any other attorney that represented it? A. I don't know if there was an insurance attorney. I couldn't say. I don't know for sure. Q. And, to your knowledge, have I ever appeared at any Ocean Ridge Town Hall meeting on any matter? A. I don't recall. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 104 Q. And, to your knowledge, have I ever appeared at any code enforcement hearing on any matter? A. I would assume over the last 30 years that's true. But I don't know. Q. So you think -- you think that I have been -- have you ever checked the Ocean Ridge records to see if I've ever even appeared at one town hall meeting ever in the Town of Ocean Ridge? A. No, I never checked that record. Q. And did you ever look to see under the town records if I've ever appeared at any code violation hearing in the Town of Ocean Ridge ever? A. No, I never checked that. Q. Have you even looked -- do you know how many lawsuits my name appears on in just Palm Beach County in the last 34 years? A. No. I don't know that. Q. Are you aware that when I got your motion, because I have absolutely no recollection of personally ever even talking to you or meeting with you as a client, that I pulled -- I had my staff pull every lawsuit that I have been involved in, in Palm Beach County, and that your name doesn't appear on any pleading or case that I have ever been involved in. Are you aware of that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 105 A. I wasn't aware of that. Q. Do you believe that I ever represented you in any litigation? A. Yes. Q. So you believe that I appeared for you -- aside from this code violation you're talking about, you believe I have appeared as your attorney in some litigation somewhere? A. Not a formal appearance, no. Q. Well, someplace where you've been a party or a witness. A. No. Appearance, no. Q. I'm saying is there some case where you were a party where you believe I represented you? A. I don't know if I was a party to that case. Q. The Emmett Pace case? A. Yes. I'm not sure I was a named party. Q. Were you ever a witness in that case? A. I don't recall that. Q. Were you ever subpoenaed in that case? A. I remember discussions with the other attorneys, but I don't remember. Q. Did you ever sign a retainer agreement with me regarding this Emmett Pace case? A. No. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 ME 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 106 Q. Did you ever pay me a fee with regard to the Emmett Pace case? A. I don't know if the fee that I paid for the next case included some of that prior counsel, but I can't say for sure. Q. So -- all right. Were there any other cases where you've been a party or a witness where you believe I served as your attorney? A. Not formally, no. Q. What about informally? A. Well, I did speak to you on the phone a number of times and got advice on some of those things. Q. What other cases did you have pending? This was in 1998, between January and April? A. Yes. It would have been the end of 1997 and end of 198. Q. Okay. And what cases were you a party to or a witness to at the end of 197 through April of 198? A. That would be the Emmett Pace, and there was an action regarding a Sunshine Law violation. Q. And action involving a Sunshine Law violation. What kind of action was that? A. It was investigation by the state attorney as to whether I violated the Sunshine Law. Q. And was that an open investigation? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 107 A. I don't know what that means. Q. Was there like a prosecution or a formal type of proceeding? A. I don't know what -- how they proceeded. I just know that I was found exonerated later. Q. Did you get some kind of notice that you were being investigated? A. I believe the town was noticed. I don't remember personally being noticed. Q. Were you a party, or was the town a party to this? A. It was against me and another commissioner. Q. And who brought this complaint? A. I think formally, it was made by a county commissioner named -- I'm sorry. I can't remember his MT- ii[- Q. Were there any hearings? A. No. Q. Were there any records about this? Any writings about this? A. I can only assume there were. I don't have personal knowledge of that. Q. Did you go to any hearings? A. No. Q. Did you ever see any charges? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 i7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 108 A. No. Q. Were you ever notified that you were a target of any investigation? A. Yes. Q. Who notified you of that? A. Well, I learned about it through the newspaper, and I believe -- I can't recall exactly how I first learned about it or whether I was formally notified. Q. But you say you were named as a target of an investigation by the state attorney? A. Yes. Q. And what evidence do you have of that? A. Well, I have an article by Chuck McGinnis at the Palm Beach Post. Q. What does it say? A. I believe it says commissioner to be investigated for Sunshine violation regarding bike lanes, or something to that effect. Q. There was a complaint filed by a county commissioner regarding you? A. Yeah. One of the ones that went to jail. I can't remember his name. Q. And you never -- do you have any copies of any documents regarding that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 109 A. I think in that file, I might have the newspaper article. Q. In which file? A. The one we discussed earlier about the digital file of the archived records, archived newspaper articles. Q. And did the town -- was the town involved in any hearings regarding this alleged Sunshine violation? A. The town had hearings where I believe it was discussed. Q. You are talking about city council meetings or town council meeting? A. Yes. Q. I'm saying, were there any hearings before judges or magistrates or the Public Service Commission or ethics panels regarding this? A. No. Q. So as far as you know, there was a complaint filed. Who was the complaint filed with? A. State attorney. Q. Who was the state attorney at the time? A. Don't know. Don't remember. Q. And you never saw a copy of this complaint? A. I don't recall that. Q. And you don't know who's named in the Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 M 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 complaint? Page 110 A. I don't know there was a complaint. Q. You don't know if there was a complaint? A. Well, the term "complaint" means a commissioner complained to the state attorney's office; but a formal complaint with defendant and plaintiffs, I don't know. Q. Do you know if there was written complaint by the commissioner that was actually filed by the state attorney's office? A. It could have been a phone call. I don't know. Q. Do you know if the state attorney's office ever opened a file to investigate this? A. They announced that it was concluded, so I don't know how they operate. I don't know what files they keep and how they proceed. Q. So you don't know if they just dismissed it and didn't open a file or what happened? A. It wasn't dismissed for quite awhile. Q. When did the -- who was the councilman that made -- or councilwoman that made the complaint to the state attorney's office? A. That was a county commissioner. Q. Who was that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 1 I I A. I'm sure I'll think of it as soon as we leave here, but I can't recall his name. Q. And you don't know who the state attorney was? A. No. Q. And when was this complaint made? A. Between February and March. No. April. Sometime in the first quarter of 1998. Q. Sometime between February and April of 1998? A. I recollect that, yeah. I think around April. Q. This was for a Sunshine violation that you -- what, you met with -- someone alleged, or a county commissioner alleged, that you and some other town council met privately? A. No. A commissioner and I met with the Metropolitan Planning Organization on a fact - finding mission regarding bike lanes on AlA. We were trying to see if there was a way for them to install the lanes without having the really wide setbacks that they had in Boca Raton. For instance, you're familiar with AlA they take every tree and rock out of the landscaping. And we wanted to try to preserve that in Ocean Ridge. So we met with the Metropolitan Planning Council, a guy named Whitmore, Whitaker, something like that. And that's what the basis of the action by the state attorney was; the fact that the two of us met with Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 112 the planning council at the same meeting, and it wasn't properly -- or it wasn't -- Q. Properly noticed. And was it a public meeting that you had with the member of the planning council or a private meeting? A. Just fact - finding. Q. Okay. And it had nothing to do with any -- it didn't have anything to do with any allegation of wrongful public records request, did it? A. No. Q. Didn't have anything to do with any claim of abuse because of process, did it? A. Abuse of process? Q. Right. A. Sunshine violation, I suppose, is an abuse of process. Q. Do you know what an abuse -- do you know what the lawsuit "abuse of process" is? A. No. Q. There was no litigation filed with regard to this alleged complaint by the county commissioner, right? A. I'm sorry. Say that again. Q. There was no complaint -- there was no litigation. You never saw a formal court document with Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 113 regard to that matter concerning your meeting with this town councilman and planning member? A. I remember it was an investigation by the state attorney's office. Q. Did you ever see a document with the state attorney's name on it? A. No. Q. Have you ever seen any document regarding this alleged complaint? A. Newspaper article. Q. That's it? A. I can't recall. Q. You can't recall any other documents regarding this alleged complaint that you say was investigated by the state attorney's office concerning you? A. I can't recall ever seeing a document or receiving a document. Q. Your testimony is that while this was going on with the state attorney's office, you did have communications with me on the phone? A. on this particular matter, I remember speaking with -- Q. I don't want you to disclose any details of the conversation if you say there's a lawyer - client relationship. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 M 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 114 I want to know during this time that the state attorney -- you say the state attorney was investigating you, are you saying you had some kind of communication with me? A. Yes. Q. And was it in person or by phone? A. That would be by phone. Q. And was it before or after the code violation hearing in the testimony of Ocean Ridge? A. I couldn't be sure. I don't know. Q. And you say you came to -- one of the two to three times you came to my office was because you wanted some type of an adjustment on your bill? A. That was the last time. Q. The third time or the second time; you're not sure which? A. It was the last time I met you, so the third time. Q. Second or third time you met me? A. I believe I saw you three times. That would have been the last time. Q. So that was after the representation, was the third time you saw me? A. Yeah. Or business had been concluded at that point. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 115 Q. And you wanted an adjustment on your bill? A. I think there was a balance due, or rather a refund due, because the bill did not show all of the -- the full retainer being consumed, and I just came to get the balance. Q. And I gave you a refund; wrote you a check? A. I recall picking up a check. Q. Was it from my trust account? A. I have no idea. Q. Was it from Mr. Jonas? Do you know who it was from? Strike that. Do you know whose name was on the check? A. I don't recall that. Q. Do you remember the amount of the check? A. I don't recall. Q. Do you remember who the check was written to? A. Let me back up. I do remember it being less than a thousand dollars, but I don't recall the amount or who it was made out to. Q. And you don't know whose name was on the check in terms of who the -- A. No. Q. -- if it was my law firm or not? A. I don't recall that. Q. You don't know who the check was made payable Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 M 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 to? Page 116 A. I don't recall that. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Why don't we take a break for lunch, and come back at about 1:15. MR. HANNA: Okay. That gives us an hour. (At 12:15 p.m. a luncheon recess was taken.) (End of Volume I) Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 117 THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I, the undersigned authority, certify that the aforementioned witness personally appeared before me and was duly sworn. Dated this 11th day of November, 2014. J' I\ / 1 Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR, CLR Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 8/20/15 My Commission No.: EE 112218 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 118 C E R T I F I C A T E THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I, Debra Duran - Bornstein, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at large, do hereby certify that I was authorized to and did report said deposition in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said deposition. I further certify that said deposition was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I further certify that I am not attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and /or direction of the certifying reporter. Dated this 11th day of November, 2014. FENORMHO 0 1 1 Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR, CLR Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 8/20/15 My Commission No.: EE 112218 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 November 12, 2014 Mark Hanna, Esquire GMMM /MADISON P.A. 401 South County Road Suite 3272 Palm Beach, Florida 33480 In Re: O'Hare vs. Town of Gulf Stream The referenced transcript has been completed and awaits reading and signing. Please have your client review your copy of the transcript at your convenience or if a copy was not ordered, to call our office at the below - listed number to schedule an appointment between the hours of 9:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m., Monday through Friday to make an appointment to come to our office and read the deposition. If desired, your client may also opt to waive signature. If so, please have your client sign their name at the bottom and mail to our office to be attached to the original transcript. If the transcript is not reviewed and signed within 30 days, the original, which has already been sent to the ordering attorney, may be filed with the Clerk of the Court. Very truly yours, Debra Duran & Associates 224 Datura Street, Suite 402 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 PH: 561) 313 -8000 I hereby waive my signature: CHRISTOPHER O'HARE CC: All Counsel Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 119 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 120 C E R T I F I C A T E THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, if one was executed. Dated this day of 2014. CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 121 E R R A T A S H E E T IN RE: O'HARE V GULF STREAM C.R. DD DEPOSITION OF: CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE TAKEN: 10 -24 -14 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE PAGE # LINE # CHANGE REASON Please forward the original signed errata sheet to this office so that copies may be distributed to all parties. Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read my deposition and that it is true and correct subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. DATE: SIGNATURE OF DEPONENT: Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 $ 1 2 $15,000 81:11,18 0 017717 17:14 1 1 15:9,11 19:10, 27:12 32:18 33:11, 14 34:7 36:16 45:5 10 81:10,11,17,18 85:23 10:25 4:10 11 45:10 11th 41:1,4 12:15 116:6 15 81:17 85:24 15,000 81:10 16 45:8 19 52:5 1978 51:19 1980 51:19,20 1983 94:13 1997 49:21,25 50:7,11,14 51:23 52:5,15 56:16 61:8 106:15 1998 37:22,23 48:9,17,19 49:1,5 56:18 57:12 58:13, 18,23 59:163:8 66:15 73:25 97:17 98:1 106:14 111:7, 8 1999 49:7 1:15 116:4 1st 21:20 20 10:6 11:12 12:16 2000 49:9 66:15 2014 4:9 17:23 45:10 21st 17:23 22 51:7 23 30:23 23rd 18:22 24th 4:9 18:25 3 30 73:3,5 77:13 104:3 33431 4:14 34 104:16 4 45 6:21 5 500 4:14 5550 4:13 7 70s 51:21 78 51:21 8 80s 51:22 9 90 73:4,5 77:13 97 48:12 106:18 98 48:12 56:16,17 62:5 78:2188:15 106:16,18 A a.m. 4:10 Ala 111:16,19 ability 13:16 92:17 absolutely 104:19 abuse 102:23 112:12,13,15,17,18 access 44:2,5 97:22 account 46:12 81:23 82:1 115:8 accountant 38:10 accounts 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O'HARE v. TOWN OF GULF STREAM Deposition of CHRISTOPHER O'HARE October 24, 2014 Vol II n ORONO A 1 A S S O C I A T E S Regivered Pro /e.ssionat Reporters P.O. Box 2288 West Palm Beach, Florida 33402 561- 313 -8000 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA CASE No.502013CA017717XXXXMB CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE, Plaintiff, -vs- VOLUME II TOWN OF GULF STREAM, Defendant. CONTINUED VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE TAKEN AT THE INSTANCE OF THE DEFENDANT Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 a.m. - 3:13 p.m. 5550 Glades Road Suite 500 Boca Raton, Florida 33431 Reported By: Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR Notary Public, State of Florida Debra Duran & Associates 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 APPEARANCES: On behalf of the Plaintiff: MARK J. HANNA, ESQUIRE GMMM /MADISON P.A. 401 South County Road Suite 3272 Palm Beach, Florida 33480 LOUIS L. ROEDER, III,, ESQUIRE 7414 Sparkling Lake Road Orlando, Florida 32819 On behalf of the Defendant: ROBERT A. SWEETAPPLE, ESQUIRE ALEX VARKAS, ESQUIRE SWEETAPPLE, BROEKER & VARKAS 199 East Boca Raton Road Boca Raton, Florida 33432 JOANNE O'CONNOR, ESQUIRE JONES, FOSTER, JOHNSTON & STUBBS 505 South Flagler Drive, Suite 1100 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 ALSO PRESENT: JASON PETERSON, LEGAL GRAPHICWORKS Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 123 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 WITNESS: BY MR. SWEETAPPLE BY MR. HANNA: I N D E X cont DIRECT 125 203 CROSS REDIRECT E X H I B I T S NUMBER DESCRIPTION PAGE DEFENDANT'S EX. 2 STIPULATION AND ORDER 162 DEFENDANT'S EX. 3 LETTER DATED APRIL 7, 1998 167 TO MR. NICOLETTI DEFENDANT'S EX. 4 APRIL 7, 1998 LETTER FROM 167 PAUL NICOLETTI DEFENDANT'S EX. 5 APRIL 10, 1998 MEMORANDUM 174 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 124 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 M 10 11 12 13 i 15 16 17 m 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 125 CONTINUED PROCEEDINGS THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:23 p.m. We're back on the record. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. All right. Mr. O'Hare, we're back on the record, and I want to see if I can wrap this up in an hour or so hopefully. Have we now discussed the terms of when and where, as best you can recall, all of the conversations or meetings that we had back in the 190s? A. I'm sorry. What was your question? Q. On the record today, have we discussed all of the conversations and meetings that you and I, you say, have had during the 1990s? A. No. Q. Okay. Are there others? Not the content, but others that occurred that you haven't testified to? A. I think I testified that we had phone conversations. We haven't discussed the content, the time, whatever; but, yeah, we have discussed there were other phone conversations. Q. But all the meetings we've discussed that you allege occurred? A. Yeah, I believe so. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 126 1 Q. What phone conversations do you specifically 2 recall? 3 A. I remember -- 4 Q. Not content, but when. 5 A. When? I would have to answer that in a time 6 zone of the last quarter of 197 through the duration of 7 this activity in 198. 8 Q. And how many phone conversations? 9 A. Maybe eight. Or approximately eight. 10 Q. Okay. And without telling me the contents of 11 any conversation we had, can you tell me what pending 12 matters you contacted me regarding? 13 A. Pending matters. 14 Q. As you recall, specifically recall. 15 A. Yeah. There was an inspection by the police 16 of the improvements at 21 Tropical Drive, the apartment 17 building we earlier discussed. There was how much 18 money -- I'm sorry. The settlement agreement with 19 Emmett Pace. 20 Q. There was an actual settlement agreement? 21 A. With Emmett Pace, yes. 22 Q. A written settlement agreement? 23 A. I'm sorry? 24 Q. A written settlement agreement? 25 A. I believe, yeah. I think it was written down. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 127 I recollected there was an agreement. I don't know if it was written down. I suppose it was. Q. Did you ever see it in the Emmett Pace litigation? A. I'm conscious of the details, but I didn't read the whole agreement. Q. Did you ever provide a copy of that to me? A. No. I don't think so. Q. So did you consult me with regard to the Emmett Pace litigation, you believe? A. Yes. Q. And that was -- that was zoning; that was a code violation matter? A. No. That was prior to that. Q. What was the Emmett Pace litigation? A. That was when Emmett Pace sued the town for issuing me a permit for improving 21 Tropical Drive. Q. So you believe you contacted me by phone about that? A. Yes. Q. What else do you believe you contacted me about by phone? How many conversations do you believe you had with me concerning the Emmett Pace litigation? A. I don't recall. Q. And what other phone -- what other topics do Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 128 1 you think you discussed with me by phone? 2 A. The investigation by the state attorney 3 regarding the Sunshine violation. 4 Q. And how many conversations do you believe you 5 had with me regarding that? 6 A. I can't recall. 7 Q. When were these calls regarding Emmett Pace? 8 A. I'm sorry. Say that again. 9 Q. When were the calls regarding Emmett Pace? 10 A. They would have been in the last quarter of 11 197 and the first quarter of 198. 12 Q. Was it after the case settled, the Emmett Pace 13 case settled, or while it was ongoing? 14 A. No. No. The subject was before the case 15 settled. 16 Q. But you weren't a party to that case? 17 A. Well, I was a commissioner. I don't know if I 18 was a named party in it, but it affected me pretty 19 badly. 20 Q. And what about the state attorney's -- do you 21 remember the date of any conversations regarding the 22 state attorney? 23 A. No. It was during the investigation, so 24 sometime between when the charges were made and when I 25 was exonerated. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 129 Q. Okay. A. There are others. Q. So your testimony is I gave you advice regarding a code violation in Ocean Ridge, a lawsuit that Emmett Pace had against the town and maybe you. A. Yes. Q. And a state attorney's investigation. A. Yes. Q. Correct? A. Yes. Q. All these occurred in 1997 to 1998? A. Yes. Q. Is there any other matter that you say I have given you legal advice on? A. I can't recall anything else. Q. And none of -- if I could hand you a copy of Exhibit 1. A. Thank you. Q. You say -- let me ask you this: Since 1998, have you seen or talked to me anywhere? A. I talked to you months later. I don't know if it went into 199 or not. Q. What was that about? A. It was about my therapy with Dr. Heath King. Q. Okay. So in 1998 you called me? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 130 A. No. We happened to -- I think we -- Q. I don't want to go into the content of the conversation. I want to know when I spoke to you. A. I didn't call you. Q. Did we have any conversations in 1999 after the code violation at issue? A. Yes. Q. Was that in the scope of me providing any legal service to you? A. Legal service? Q. Did I give you any legal advice? A. No. It was about therapy. Q. Okay. Are you volunteering to talk about that? I'm not asking you about that. A. There are parts of this I don't mind talking about. Q. Okay. So you had a conversation with me regarding a therapist. A. Yes. Q. That had nothing to do with my giving legal advice. A. I guess it was healthcare advice. Q. What -- after that conversation, any other -- A. Not that I can recall. Q. -- conversations we've had? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 131 A. I can't recall anything else. Q. The next time we saw each other was at Mr. Morgan's deposition, right, at town hall? A. Yes. That's right. Q. And so that would be like March or April 2014, right? A. Yes. Q. So I haven't talked to you, based on your testimony, for over 16 years? A. Yes. Q. And we exchanged pleasantries at the deposition, right? A. Yeah. I was surprised you still recognized me. Yes. Yes. Q. You came up to me and said something. A. Right. Q. And said you had a pleasant memory of me or something. A. I recall the pleasantries. I know we spoke and shook hands. Q. Do you recall what you said? A. I'm sorry? Q. Do you recall what you said to me? MR. VARKAS: You're under oath now. That's supposed to be a joke. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 132 THE WITNESS: Okay. We're joking here now. MR. HANNA: We do every once in a while. MR. VARKAS: About the pleasantries. THE WITNESS: I would like to make that clear. I respect Mr. Sweetapple and I still do. I have no animus here. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So what did you say to me at that -- A. I recall that I said, It's good to see you again. I'm glad the town is in such good hands. You're looking good, and things to that effect. Q. Okay. What did I say? A. I think it was just the social repertoire. I can't recall exactly what you said. Q. Okay. A. But I thought there was a recognition there that, good to see you again, that kind of thing. Q. Okay. Anything else that was discussed about -- there was no discussion of any merits of any cases or any legal advice, right? A. No. No. Q. Okay. And the very next time that I saw you was at a settlement conference /mediation in my office, right? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 2 3 4 Page 133 Q. So I've had no communications with you since 1998 on the subject matter of any legal matters other than in my office, right? A. There were no communications after 1998 or 5 1 199, no. 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Q. Except the one in my office recently, which was a settlement conference that we characterized -- A. I'm sorry. That one, yes. Q. -- at the mediation. Other than that, you and I have not talked personally at all, right? A. No. Have not. Q. And you understood that the meeting in my office was for the purpose of attempting to settle some outstanding cases, right? Without talking about what was said, was that your understanding of why we were meeting? A. My understanding was that we were meeting with you as go- between regarding public record cases. Q. And did you have a -- was there an agreement signed at the conference that this would be treated as a confidential settlement meeting in the scope of mediation? A. Yes. Q. After that meeting, did you divulge to anyone Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 134 the contents of that meeting, other than -- A. By divulging, you mean people that weren't there. Q. People that weren't there. That were not parties to that. MR. HANNA: Not including your attorneys. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Your attorneys were there. Mr. Roeder and Mr. Hanna were there. THE WITNESS: All my attorneys, yes. So, no, I did not divulge to any third party. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. You didn't discuss it with Mr. O'Boyle? A. He is my attorney. Q. Who is your attorney? A. The O'Boyle Law Firm represents me. I have a number of attorneys there. Q. When I said "your attorneys," Mr. O'Boyle, I was referring to Martin O'Boyle. Were you referring to Jonathan O'Boyle? A. Martin O'Boyle, no. Q. You didn't disclose it to Martin O'Boyle? A. Absolutely not. Q. Did you disclose it to Jonathan O'Boyle, any of the contents of that meeting? A. I'm having problems remembering that, because Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 135 we discussed other things that were included in that meeting that had been previously discussed elsewhere. And to define which ones were exclusive to the meeting, I can't recall. Q. So you are represented by Jonathan O'Boyle? A. His firm. And I believe he is pro se on a few of my complaints. Whatever that means. MR. RAEDER: Pro hac. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. How many cases is he appearing pro hac for you? A. I don't recall. I'm sorry. There's so many. Q. So you meet with him to get legal advice as an out -of -state attorney? A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Q. You get legal advice from him, but he's serving as an out of state attorney. Is Mister -- A. That's two parts. I believe he is an out -of -state attorney, and I have gotten advice from him. Q. And you do meet with him in Florida? A. I've seen him, yes. I have met with him in Florida. Q. Have you ever met with him outside of Florida for legal advice? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 136 A. No. Oh, I'm sorry. I have to parse that. I have spoken to him on the phone when he's outside of Florida. Q. Where is his office outside of Florida? A. I believe he has got an office in Philadelphia, and I think he's in New Jersey, too. I'm not sure if that's an office. Q. He has an office -- A. I should say Pennsylvania in general. Q. You don't know where it is in Pennsylvania? A. No. Q. And so how many times have you met with Jonathan O'Boyle in Florida to get legal advice? A. I couldn't say. Q. And are you aware that Jonathan O'Boyle also represents his father? A. I'm sorry. Are we still on the subject of this deposition? Q. Yes. I'm going to get into your -- A. I don't know whether he represents his father or not. Q. Okay. So as far as anything that you've been advised -- because there are certain statements. I'm not going to get to your verified motion, but there are certain statements that are in here. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 137 Without giving me the content of the advice, on what matters has Jonathan O'Boyle provided legal advice? What types of matters or cases? A. I'm trying to answer your question without getting into legal matters. What advice has he given me? Q. What matters? What type of -- MR. VARKAS: Subject matters. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Subject matters. Public records requests. MR. HANNA: I'm going to object and assert attorney - client privilege and instruct the witness not to answer. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Let's go through here, Paragraph 1 of your verified motion. You say in the second paragraph, "The plaintiff has been advised that Robert A. Sweetapple has, or will be entering, an appearance to represent Gulf Stream in some or all of these cases including the above - captioned case." Who told you that? A. That was my own experience. Q. So what is contained in Paragraph 1 here is based on your own experience? A. Well, without divulging contents of our confidentiality meeting, I had experience that you are Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 138 going to be representing the town on a number of things. Q. So you put what is in this motion, you wrote here, is what you learned at the mediation conference? A. I'm sorry? Q. This statement, "The plaintiff has been advised," you're referring to what I said at the mediation conference? A. If you're asking me to comment on that, I would like to read it first. Q. You have it right in front of you. I asked you to look at the second sentence in Paragraph 1: "The plaintiff has been advised Robert A. Sweetapple has, or will be entering, an appearance to represent Gulf Stream in some or all of these cases, including the above - captioned case." Where did you get that information? A. Yeah. That probably came from my own experience, plus the advice of counsel. Q. This is something you heard at mediation? A. I'm sorry? Q. This is something you learned at the mediation? A. What mediation? Q. The settlement conference that we termed would be covered by the mediation privilege. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 139 A. I didn't realize we were calling that mediation. I'm sorry. Q. Did you read the document that you signed? A. Yes. Q. And did you hear -- did you see the discussion that it would be continued to be privileged and treated as a mediation? A. I understand that. But I understood it to mean it was underneath mediation procedure or style, not that we were in a mediation conference. Q. You understood everything that was discussed there was to remain confidential, right? A. I'm sorry. You're asking me -- Q. Everything that was discussed in that meeting was to remain confidential, correct? A. Right. Q. You're saying you learned at that meeting that I was going to be entering an appearance to represent Gulf Stream, correct? A. I don't know how to answer that without talking about the confidential meeting. Q. Well, you put this -- did you get this information from that meeting? Is that where you got the information to put in this motion? A. No. I said from my personal experience. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 140 Q. What personal experience was that? A. Attending the meeting. Q. Okay. Any other way that you got that information? A. Advice of counsel. Q. Okay. Now -- and you say will -- "has, or will be entering, an appearance." Weren't you aware when you filed this verified motion that I was already counsel of record in this case? A. I have to apologize for that, because I've since learned that that was made in April, I think. But I didn't learn about it until much later. I don't open all my e -mails that are copied to me from my attorney. I just assume my attorneys open them. Q. Okay. And then it says, "In addition, Attorney Sweetapple is preparing to represent the defendant in a forthcoming action to be filed against the Plaintiff by Gulf Stream." Is that based on anything other than something you heard at the settlement conference? A. You're talking about the last sentence in Paragraph 1? Q. Yes, sir. A. That's personal experience. Q. From me talking to you? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 141 A. No. I knew that you were preparing -- again, I'm not sure where this has anything to do with the confidential meeting, but I knew that you were preparing to defend, or rather to advocate for the town against me on other issues. That was my belief. Q. Where did you get that belief? A. Personal experience. MR. HANNA: I'm going to object to anything that refers to -- that involves my discussions with you. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Other than anything from your attorney, did you get this information anywhere else? A. Town council meetings. Q. Well, at a town council meeting, there was a discussion that I was going to be hired to bring an action against you prior to the time you filed this -- you signed this verified motion? A. You're talking about prior to signing this. I'm sorry. Q. Yes. I'm talking about where you can make this statement that's in this document, where you got this information. A. Personal experience. Q. Conversation with me? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 142 A. No. Q. Anything other than -- anything other than the settlement conference? MR. HANNA: Other than anything I've discussed with you. THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. I'm trying to recall. I can't recall right now. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Did you write these words, or did your lawyer write the words in Exhibit 1? A. This is the lawyer's words from our conversations. Q. And you realize this is not supposed to be based on hearsay. It is supposed to be your personal knowledge; right? A. Yes. Exactly. Q. What personal knowledge did you have that I was preparing to represent the defendant in a forthcoming action to be filed against the plaintiff by Gulf Stream? What personal knowledge did you have of that? A. That would be part of our confidential agreement. Q. So other than in our confidential meeting, do you have any personal knowledge that I am preparing to Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 143 represent Gulf Stream in an action against you? MR. HANNA: I'm going to instruct you not to answer from anything I may have told you. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. I don't care about any of your hearsay from your attorney. This is an affidavit that you've sworn to, sir. And I want to know if your sworn statement, which cannot be based on hearsay, is based on any personal knowledge other than something that you heard in a confidential settlement meeting, or from your attorney? A. Well, to expand the scope of my experience, Coastal Star article, perhaps, I believe, mentioned you represented the town on things, but I can't be sure enough to swear to that, so I apologize. That's my recollection. Q. You have said here -- you're swearing that I am preparing to represent the defendant in a forthcoming action to be filed against the plaintiff by Gulf Stream. Tell me, other than the settlement meeting or a statement from your attorney, what that sworn statement is based on. A. Yeah. I can't recall any more than I've told you. Q. Then you say in No. 2, The prior matters, Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 144 which you reference in Paragraph 1 -- the prior matters where Attorney Robert A. Sweetapple represented the plaintiff have similar underpinnings to the current litigation with Gulf Stream. What current litigation are you referring to with Gulf Stream? A. Well, I have record suits against the Town of Gulf Stream. Q. How many? A. I can't give you an exact number. Q. You don't know how many? A. I can't give you an exact number. Q. More than 20? A. I'm sorry? Q. More than 20? A. If you're trying to bracket me, I would say it's between 20 and 30. Q. And how many public records requests have you made to the Town of Gulf Stream? A. I can't give you an exact number. Q. Over 400? A. Yes. Q. Why have you made so many public records requests? A. Because I want to know. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 145 Q. In fact, on this case that I've appeared in here, 17717, what public records were you asking for in that case? A. I believe that was for boundary surveys. Q. You wanted GPS surveys, right, of the town? A. GPS. Q. You wanted GPS, you wanted aerial surveys? A. I wanted the electronic file of the survey of the town. Q. Why did you want that? A. I'm sorry. I said survey. I think it was an aerial. Q. Why did you want that? A. I have a website that I'm trying to get information from my website, with regards -- regarding to town business. Q. So you wanted to -- you wanted to put that on your website? A. Yes. Q. And on the day that you made that public records request between 10:21 a.m. and 2:23 p.m. Sunday, September 29, 2013, you made approximately 40 public records requests; are you aware of that? A. That's when I sent them, yes. Q. Why did you send 40 record requests between Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 146 10:21 a.m. and 2:23 p.m. on Sunday, September 29, 2013? A. That was the opportunity I had to sit at my computer and send all the requests I've been putting together over the previous week or so. Q. And why would you have a need for 40 public records requests? A. Well, when I asked the town a question, I have not been getting answers. The only way to get answers of the town has been to asking formally through public records request. Q. Other than these 20 to 30 lawsuits with the town, what other litigation do you have with the town that you say has a similar underpinning to the matters you say I represented you on? A. Well, I can tell you the other actions. The town is suing me for trespass for having a boat in a cove that is within the town's boundary. Q. Trespass for a boat. Okay. What else? A. I'm the defendant in that one. The town denied me the right to put a solar system on my roof. Q. You're suing over that? A. I'm sorry? Q. You're suing over that? A. Yes. I'm entitled to that by state statute, and they're denying me that right. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 147 Q. Where are you suing? Is that state court or federal court? A. State court. Q. What else? What other litigation do you say has similar underpinnings? A. The town manager has denied me the right to use firearms, as guaranteed by the state statute as well. Q. You want to open a fire -- a shooting range at your house? A. Absolutely not. Q. What is it you want to do with the firearms? A. I want to be able to clear my gun, test my gun, discharge it, all within the safety parameters that the state dictates for responsible gun ownership. Q. In the back of your house? A. It's in my property. Q. And you're litigating over that? A. Yes. They have no right to do that. Q. Is that a federal case or a state case? A. It's a state case. Q. What else are you litigating with the Town of Gulf Stream over? A. The town police officer trespassed inside my house without permission. The town had a systematic -- Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 148 Q. The police trespass. Is that a lawsuit? A. That's a lawsuit, yes. Q. Federal or state? A. That one is federal. Q. Okay. A. That had to do with my civil rights. Q. So I'm on -- that's lawsuit four, I think, we're on, other than the 20 to 30 public records lawsuits. What's the next lawsuit? A. I have what is called an anti - shushing lawsuit, because the town refused to let me speak to an issue that was voted on by the town, which is my right by state statute. Q. When did you bring that lawsuit? A. I'm sorry? Q. When did you bring that lawsuit? A. I couldn't tell you an exact date. Q. Is that in state court? A. I believe that is in state court. Q. Who is your lawyer in the trespass on the boat? A. I apologize. I have to refer to my records. I can't keep them separate in my head. Q. Who have you met with regarding that case? Which lawyers have you met with? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 M 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 149 A. Regarding the boat? Q. Yes. A. Yes. Mark Hanna. Albert -- I'm sorry. Giovani Mesa, Lou Roeder. But, again, with all the meetings, I couldn't distinguish who was specific to that particular action. Q. What about the solar roof case, who is handling that case for you? A. Same answer. Q. Who? A. Those lawyers, and I can't tell you specifically if any others have been consulted as well. Q. So the O'Boyle Law Firm is involved in representing you on that? A. Whether they're signed on it or just consulted with them, I'm sure I discussed it with them. Q. What about the -- there was one you brought in the state regarding -- was it a fire -- MR. HANNA: Firearms. MR. VARKAS: That one has been covered. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. You mentioned that. Who represented you on that case? A. I believe Jonathan O'Boyle is pro se on that. Q. What about the trespass lawsuit? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 150 1 A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. 2 Q. The trespass. 3 A. Oh, the trespass. I think Mark is. 4 Q. Mr. Hanna, what about the anti - shushing case; 5 who is handling that for you? 6 A. I think the O'Boyle Law Firm. 7 Q. What other cases do you have pending with the 8 Town of Gulf Stream? 9 A. I hope I cited them all. I might have 10 forgotten one or two. 11 Q. You've sworn that all these cases, the public 12 records request cases and these five cases you've just 13 described have similar underpinnings to the current 14 litigation. 15 What are the similar underpinnings? Tell me 16 specifically what those underpinnings are. 17 A. In my mind is the abuse of elected officials 18 who go beyond the scope of their authority and basically 19 violate state statute by their actions. 20 Q. Well, the abuse of elected officials that you 21 say I represented you on, it's not the same elected 22 officials as in these cases, is it? 23 A. Different town. 24 Q. Okay. And it's not the same alleged abuses, 25 is it? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 M 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 151 A. Well, we haven't even started our discovery, so I can't answer that. Q. Well, the cases that you have brought don't deal with the same underpinnings in terms of what the abuses were, as you have described in my cases. You say in my cases it was a code violation, a state attorney's investigation; and you said a lawsuit involving Mr. Pace involving Sunshine violations where you met with a commissioner. Your cases that you've just described to me -- let's put it this way. Were there any public records request litigation matters that you sought my counsel on in the 190s? A. Public records litigation? No. Q. Were there any trespass matters that you sought my advice on? A. No. Q. Were there any matters where you had been denied a building permit? A. I'd have to say yes on that. Q. You had been given a permit, you maintain, with regard to this apartment; and the city was violating you for it, right? A. I was threatened with revocation of that permit. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 152 Q. But you -- it wasn't based on a refusal to give a permit; the code violation you thought was a revocation of a permit, right? That's what the apartment house in Ocean Ridge was about. A. What I recall is that the town was going to revoke the permit and make me remove the improvements. Q. You're not saying that I ever represented you with regard to any litigation where you were denied a permit? A. Denied a correct. Q. And then regard to whether shoot your guns in A. No. permit? I guess ttie answer woula ne I've never given you any advice with Jr not Florida law allows you to go your backyard or not? Q. We've never had any discussions about that topic, right? A. No. Q. And then the trespass with the police force, nothing that I ever advised you about concerned any trespasses by the police force or anybody else, right? A. Well, that one -- there was the incident of the police setting up surveillance of the building, and actually going inside and taking pictures that you had told me I should not have allowed. But I can't remember Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 153 the exact details of the conversation. Q. Okay. So I never advised you with regard to this lawsuit you have with regard to trespass; that has to do with your house, right? A. It is my personal residence, yes. Q. That has nothing to do with this apartment building, right? A. Oh, no. Q. Has anybody ever told you that I'm appearing in this trespass case? Do you believe -- did you file a motion to disqualify me in this trespass case? A. I don't recall. Q. And did you file a motion to disqualify me in the boat case? A. I believe this is the first case that you've made a notice of appearance. This is our first notice of disqualification. Q. You haven't filed motions to disqualify me in cases where I haven't even appeared? A. I think would be premature. We might have. I'm not sure. Q. You think they would be premature. You might have. You're not sure. This is like the SAT. Can you give me A, B or C? A. I'm sorry you don't like my answers, sir. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 154 Q. Are you aware whether or not your attorney has filed multiple motions to disqualify my firm in other cases where I'm not even counsel of record? A. I don't know. Q. Okay. Did you authorize that? A. Authorize something I don't know? Q. Yes. Obviously you didn't, right? A. I can't recall. Q. Okay. If you don't know whether that occurred, you couldn't have authorized it, right? A. I don't remember. Q. When you filed this affidavit, did you file this affidavit -- where you refer to similar underpinnings -- were you referring to -- were you seeking to allege that I shouldn't be counsel in just this case, 17717, or I shouldn't be counsel in any case? A. I don't want to speak out of turn. I have to read this more closely to remember what it was that I filed. Q. We'll have to go through that then. Why don't we take a restroom break. You take time and look at that and we'll go through it very thoroughly. A. Fine. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:56 p.m. We're going off the record. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 155 (At 1:56 p.m. a recess was taken.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 2:01 p.m. We're back on the record. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. The phrase, The prior matters have similar underpinnings. Was that your phrase, or is that a phrase your attorney used? A. I'm sorry. I'm still reading this. Q. Paragraph 2. The first sentence: "The prior matters where attorney Robert Sweetapple represented the plaintiff have similar underpinnings." Was the word "underpinnings" your word or your lawyer's word? A. He used the word in the past. I might have used it in our conversation. Q. So you did intend to swear to the fact there were similar underpinnings, right? A. I believe it is. I mean, I believe it is underpinning. Q. What is the similar underpinning with your 20 to 30 public records request cases and the prior representation you say that I engaged in? A. Well, it's me versus a government entity, like it was before. It is the government not doing what they're supposed to do, like it was before. And I felt Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 156 that there's enough underpinnings, if you will, that were similar to have put this in here and sworn to it. Q. So basically it's you versus the government, and -- I'm sorry, what was the other thing you said? You versus the government, and what else? A. Me versus the Town of Ocean Ridge. Q. That's an underpinning you think? A. And versus Gulf Stream. And them violating state statute, or maybe federal statute, and not doing what they're supposed to do. Q. So you think that is the underpinning? A. Yeah. Q. Okay. So you believe that because -- you believe that -- strike that. Is there anything else that you consider an underpinning with regard to the pending 20 to 30 public records requests you filed against Gulf Stream that would require my disqualification other than the fact that you say my prior representation involved a government entity and violations of law? A. That sums it up. Q. Okay. Then you say the Town of Ocean Ridge is very similar to the Town of Gulf Stream. Why is that significant? A. Well, I think it's significant. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 157 Q. Okay. And both towns are almost identical in size, population and political bureaucratic structure. Why is that important? A. There is a style to a small town versus a large town. The size of the government's budget, the number of employees seems to have an effect on people's behavior. There are things I would not expect -- MR. VARKAS: This is falling down, the backdrop. You want to go off the record for a second and fix the backdrop? MR. SWEETAPPLE: Okay. Let's take a break while he fixes your backdrop. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 2:04 p.m. We're going off the record. (At 2:04 p.m. a brief recess was taken.) THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 2:06 p.m. We're back on the record. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Thank you. Mr. O'Hare, we've adjusted your backdrop. We're back on the record. And in Paragraph 3 you refer to 1997, late 1997. Then you say, Attorney Robert Sweetapple was recommended to the plaintiff by a mutual friend to help plaintiff with several matters surrounding an apartment building that he had renovated in Ocean Ridge. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 158 So did all the matters concern an apartment building in Ocean Ridge? A. No. Q. It says the various matters included a lawsuit by a neighboring property owner against Ocean Ridge, so that was -- that's the case that you talked about as being the Emmett Pace case, right? A. That's one of them. Q. And you say it was a neighboring property owned or Ocean Ridge. A. Yes. Q. You don't mention that you were a party in that lawsuit. A. Again, I don't know if I can make that distinction. Q. Okay. It says, "A neighboring party owner against Ocean Ridge and plaintiff." See that next sentence? "And plaintiff." So you swear that the lawsuit was a lawsuit by a neighboring property owner against Ocean Ridge and plaintiff, but you say you can't remember if that's the case but you've sworn to it. A. I'm trying to answer your question. Q. Truthfully? A. I'm sorry? MR. HANNA: Objection. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 159 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Are you trying to answer my question truthfully? A. Accurately. Q. Accurately. Same thing. A. It's not the same thing. Q. Well, truthfully and accurately, either one. How can you swear on September 11th that there was a lawsuit that I was -- was one of the matters that I gave you advice on that was by a neighboring property against -- a property owner against Ocean Ridge and plaintiff, when you've repeatedly said on the record here that you haven't reviewed any documents concerning that lawsuit and you don't know if you were a defendant or not? A. Well, to be accurate, I ended up paying $10,000. As far as I'm concerned it was against me. Whether I was named or not, I can't tell you. But I felt that that suit was against me and my interests. Q. So you knowingly -- you read this sentence when you signed this affidavit, right? A. I'm sorry? Q. You read this entire affidavit before you signed it, right? A. Yes. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 r 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 160 Q. You told your attorney that he could put in this affidavit that the various matters included a lawsuit by a neighboring property owner against Ocean Ridge and plaintiff. A. That's how I understand it. Q. Okay. And you haven't looked at a pleading in that case for how many years? A. I don't know that I ever looked at a pleading in that case. Q. And you have no idea if you were a party to that lawsuit, right? A. I can't recall if I was named in that lawsuit. Q. But you didn't hesitate to say that you, the plaintiff in this case, was a party in the lawsuit brought by your neighbor, right? A. I'm confused by your question. Q. Won't you admit it is misleading for you to say that the various matters included a lawsuit by a neighboring party owner against Ocean Ridge and plaintiff if you weren't a party to that lawsuit? A. I think this is very clear and accurate. Q. So you believe you were a named party to that lawsuit? A. Again, that contradicts my previous testimony. Q. And then you say, "an alleged town code Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 161 violation and a hearing before a special magistrate." Where was there a hearing before a special magistrate? A. I would be referring to the same one that you referred to earlier. Q. Are you talking about the time you and your wife went on April 14th to the Town of Ocean Ridge without a lawyer and your hearing was canceled? A. My lawyer was not physically there. Q. Well, you say that there was -- A. I had a lawyer, sir. Q. You say the matters that -- you say, Attorney Robert Sweetapple, to help plaintiff with several matters surrounding the apartment building, the various matters included a lawsuit. And then it says, "a hearing before a special magistrate." Are you saying that I represented you at a hearing before a special magistrate? A. You were my attorney so, yes. Q. Was there a hearing before a special magistrate that was conducted? A. Yes. Q. An actual hearing was conducted? A. Yes. I remember a hearing being conducted. Q. Okay. Let me show you this stipulation and Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 162 order, which I'm going to mark as Exhibit 2. (Defendant's Exhibit No. 2 was marked for identification.) BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. You see where it says "stipulation and order" dated April 14? A. Yes, sir. Q. And it says "Respondent Christopher and Shelley O'Hare were present at hearing on behalf of themselves." You see that? A. Yes. Q. And at the hearing it says, "The parties presented an executed stipulation." Okay. And it was ratified and incorporated by reference, right? A. Yes. Q. And does this refresh your recollection that no hearing took place? A. I didn't say no hearing took place. Q. Did a hearing take place? A. Yes. I said that. Q. Does this change your testimony at all that there was no hearing that took place? A. There was a hearing that took place. Q. Okay. MR. VARKAS: I'm having a hard time following Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 what you're saying. . SWEETAPPLE: Page 163 Q. So you showed up -- you showed up for a noticed hearing, but there was not any evidence put on, instead a stipulation was adopted, right? A. The magistrate called the hearing to order. This was entered into the record. The hearing took place. I'm confused by your question, sir. Q. What you do consider a hearing? A. There's a magistrate, there's an audience. There's a subject to the hearing. It was a hearing. Q. Was there any testimony? A. You mean regarding my case at the hearing? Q. Yes. A. I don't recall any testimony. Wait. Sorry. I take that back. There was testimony. Q. From you? A. Yes. Q. You did not have an attorney present with you at that hearing, did you? A. No. Q. And I never appeared at any hearing for you with regard to this code violation, did I? A. I'm confused by the term "appear." Q. Was there ever any notice of hearing between Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 164 the town council, between the town council or anybody where I appeared? A. That you were physically at the meeting? Q. Yes. A. No. I don't think so. Q. Now, in this stipulation and order, there is a stipulation that's attached, right? A. Okay. Yes, sir. Q. And that stipulation is dated the day before, and it's dated April 13, 1998; right? A. I'm sorry. I don't see the date you're referring to. Q. The last page. A. April 13. Yes. Q. Do you recall you were at town hall on April 13th with the town manager and Mr. Jonas, and Mr. Nicoletti, and that on April 13th, this stipulation was prepared at Mr. Nicoletti's office, and you and your wife signed this, as did Mr. Jonas, Mr. Nicoletti and the town manager all at the same time on April 13, 1998. A. Yes. I see this. Q. You're aware of that, right? Does that refresh your recollection that this -- A. This is what it says, yes. Q. Are you aware that I was not present on Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 165 April 13 when this document was prepared? Mr. Jonas was. A. The day before the hearing when this document was finalized, you were not at the hearing -- or the meeting. I'm sorry. Q. And the people that were at the meeting were Mr. Nicoletti, Mr. Jonas, you and your wife, and Mr. Lanker, right? A. The people who signed it, that was including Lisa Herman. Q. Lisa Herman was there also. Everyone signed this at town hall; right? A. They were present when they signed this. Yes. Q. At town hall. Do you recall that? A. Yes. The day before the hearing. Q. It says Edwin R. Jonas, III, attorney for the O'Hares, with his Florida bar number; do you see that? A. Yes. Q. And when -- was this stipulation actually typed on April 13th, prepared for the first time on April 13th, on the word processor? A. I don't think so. Q. Are you aware whether or not the first time any word processing document with regard to your case, with regard to a stipulation was on April 13th? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 166 A. No, I don't think so. Q. And your testimony about me being at city hall with regard to this is totally fabricated; are you aware of that? A. Absolutely not. MR. HANNA: Objection. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So you're sitting here swearing that I was with Mr. Nicoletti and I was at town hall, and I dictated this stipulation in your presence. That's your sworn testimony under oath; that you recall that specifically; that is your sworn testimony under oath. A. My statement is that you stood next to Mr. Nicoletti, told him what to write. He drafted it. Whether that draft was printed out the next day and signed by these people, I can't tell you. Q. What day of the week was April 13, 1998; do you know? A. No. Q. And do you know what day of the week April 14, 1998 was? A. No. Q. And let me show you what I'm going to mark as Exhibit 3. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 167 (Defendant's Exhibit No. 3 was marked for identification.) BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. This is a letter dated April 7, 1998 from Mr. Jonas, of counsel for the firm, to Mr. Nicoletti. And I'm going to ask if you have ever seen that letter before. Let me give you copies, although I'm sure you have them. MR. HANNA: Is this 2? MR. SWEETAPPLE: That's 2. MR. HANNA: I wanted to make sure. (Defendant's Exhibit No. 4 was marked for identification.) BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. This is going to be 3 and 4. Are you looking at Exhibit 3? A. I've read it through, sir. Q. Okay. And it says, "Please be advised our firm was recently retained by Christopher F. O'Hare." Do you see that? A. Yes. Q. Dated April 7. A. That's what it says. Q. "This letter is in reference to the code Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 168 enforcement special master proceeding scheduled for Tuesday, April 14." Do you see that? A. Yes. Q. And April 13 was a Monday. A. Uh -huh. Q. Correct? A. I'm sorry? Q. April 13 was a Monday. A. That would make sense. Q. And on Monday, April 13 is when you and Mr. Jonas went to city hall and prepared Exhibit 2; are you aware of that? MR. HANNA: Object to form. THE WITNESS: Is that a question? BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Yes. Does this refresh your recollection? A. No. No. Q. You went there on a Monday with Mr. Jonas, and the settlement stipulation was prepared on a Monday. A. No. Q. And you did not have a copy of the stipulation, Exhibit 2, and the stipulation and order when you prepared your affidavit in this case to disqualify me, did you? A. A copy of the stipulation? No. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 M 5 6 7 ES 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 169 Q. You didn't know what this said at the time you swore out the motion to disqualify me, right? A. No. It was based mostly on my memory. Q. In fact, on April 7th, Mr. Jonas wrote and said that he spoke with Mr. Zeldin's secretary to request a postponement, and she referred me to Karen Hancsak, town clerk of Ocean Ridge. MR. HANNA: Hancsak. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. "Pursuant to Ms. Hancsak's request, I called you. You indicated you would talk to town manager, Gary Lanker." Do you recall this letter? A. I've seen this letter. Q. "In order to properly represent Mr. O'Hare at the special magistrate proceeding, we would need an additional 30 days to prepare. Would you please postpone this proceeding to eliminate the necessity of my having to appear on April 14th, 1998 to formally request for postponement." Do you see that? A. Yes. Q. "Thank you for your anticipated courtesy." It says, Edwin R. Jonas, of counsel for the firm. Did you know that Mr. Jonas was of counsel to the firm? A. Of counsel to the firm. I'm not sure I know Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 170 what that means. Q. You see he is not a named lawyer in the firm at the top place of the letterhead. A. Yes. Q. And you see I'm not copied on this letter anywhere. A. Yes. Q. Mr. Zeldin, Mr. Lanker, and Ms. Hancsak -- MR. HANNA: Hancsak. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. -- are copied. But I'm not copied. Do you see that? A. I see that. Q. And you do see my address was 465 East Palmetto Park Road? That was about two buildings from the Intracoastal right next to the Wild Flower in Boca Raton. You couldn't remember I was in east Boca Raton near the Intracoastal? MR. HANNA: Object to form. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. You can remember everything that was said, but you couldn't remember where my office was. A. Yeah. I couldn't remember where your office was. Q. Okay. Do you now remember it was next to Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 171 where the Wild flower was, right near the Intracoastal? A. I remember the Wild flower, but I never went there. I don't remember your office being close to it. Q. So is it correct that the firm was recently retained by you on April 7th? Was that letter true when it was sent out? A. "Our firm was recently retained by Christopher O'Hare." I believe that is accurate. Q. Okay. A. I'm confused, though, with "our firm" versus counsel for the firm. I'm sorry. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not familiar with this. Q. Let me see if I can help you, sir, what April of 1998 looked like from a date standpoint. The 14th, as you know, was -- because I've shown you -- was a Tuesday. Okay. That was the day that you actually signed -- that's the day you actually went to what you call a hearing in Ocean Ridge and had a stipulation adopted. See that? A. Yes. On the 14th I attended a hearing. Q. Monday, Monday the 13th, that's the day you all appeared at city hall and signed the stipulation, right? A. That's accurate, yes. Q. And that would mean that Sunday was the 12th, Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 172 and Saturday was the 11th, if April 1998 is like any other years you and I have experienced in our 60 years on this planet, correct? A. Yes. Q. So that would mean Friday the 10th -- the 10th was a Friday, right? A. Yes. Q. What happened on the Friday before -- what happened on the Friday before the Monday stipulation was signed? A. I believe that's when the stipulation agreement was drafted. Q. Have you seen -- well, before we get to what is going to be Exhibit 5, let's look at Exhibit 4. It is the letter back from Mr. Nicoletti to Mr. Jonas dated April 7, 1998. So that would have been -- MR. HANNA: That's 4? BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Wednesday the 7th. So Exhibit 4, have you seen that letter before? If you don't mind, Mr. O'Hare, would you help me out and put a sticker on there and be my paralegal for a moment. A. Hope that pays well. Q. Not that well. Not enough. Let's put it that Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 173 way. I'll agree to that. Do you see that now? MR. HANNA: Your future son -in -law is well, though. THE WITNESS Yes, I see that now. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Okay. And that letter was sent to Mr. Jonas, not to me, right? A. It's addressed to Sweetapple Broeker and Varkas. Q. It was addressed to Mr. Jonas at that time, right? A. His name was at the top, yes. Q. It wasn't copied to me, was it? A. No. Q. And Mr. Nicoletti on Wednesday, April 7th, 1998 refused to continue the hearing, right? A. Yes. Q. Then when you got the package from Ocean Ridge within the last two weeks from Mr. Hanna, because that's when he got the documents from Ocean Ridge, no doubt you saw what I'm going to mark as Exhibit 5, which is a memo to Kenneth Kaleel, mayor, from Paul Nicoletti, and it's dated April 10th, which happens to have been the Friday before the Monday settlement agreement. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 174 (Defendant's Exhibit No. 5 was marked for identification.) BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. This is No. 5. Yes, sir. That's for you. This is No. 5 that's been marked. Have you read Exhibit 5 yet? A. I'm sorry? Q. Have you read Exhibit 5 yet? A. Yes, I have. Q. Do you see that there's a reference that the town manager, or town attorney, Mr. Nicoletti, received a call -- do you see this memo is dated April 10, 1998? A. Uh -huh. Q. That's a Friday. Okay. Are you aware of that; that is Friday? A. I understand. Q. And he references that on April 8th, which was Thursday, at 4:30 p.m. we received a call from me and Mr. Jonas. Do you see that? A. Yes. Q. Claims we're tag- teaming, correct? A. Yes. Says Robert A. Sweetapple, et cetera, et cetera. Q. Intended to intimidate me into granting or agreeing to a postponement, right? Wanted me to allow Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 175 the taking of Gary Lanker's deposition, okay. And that I had -- all these references to a phone call that I made on April 8th. You see that? A. Yes. Q. Now go to the next page. You see where he tells the mayor on April 10th that, "I have worked on a stipulation which actually could provide a means of resolving the case. The main concern is not the physical aspect of the locks, although we contend they were originally designed and constructed to accommodate living space; nonetheless, the town's primary issue is with the actual use of the areas for living space. As far as I know, my Monday meeting with Mr. Jonas is still set, but I couldn't reach him by phone today." Do you say that Mr. Nicoletti had prepared a proposed stipulation on Friday, and that I was not at his office looking at his word processer dictating a stipulation; I was being my usual aggressive self that week, on the phone threatening to sue him for a 1983 violation for taking away your building permit that had already been issued? Does that refresh your recollection? MR. HANNA: Object to form. MR. VARKAS: Ask the question better. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 176 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. I'll ask the question. I'll rephrase it without belittling myself so much. A. I'm sorry. Q. I'll rephrase it. Are you aware that -- that Mister -- that during the week, that the only time I contacted Mr. Nicoletti regarding your matter was to call him on or about 4:30 p.m. April 8th, which was a Thursday, with Mr. Jonas, and to threaten to sue him for a 1983 violations for purporting to take away from you a permit that had already been issued by the Town of Ocean Ridge? MR. HANNA: Object to form. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Are you aware of that? A. Yes. Q. Are you aware that on Thursday, April 8, I was not at Mr. Nicoletti's office talking to him about your stipulation and preparing a stipulation; would you admit that? A. Yeah. I never said that. Q. Okay. And would you agree with me that on Friday the 9th, okay, I was not at Mr. Nicoletti's office dictating a stipulation for him to sign? Would you agree with that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 177 A. Friday was not the 9th. Q. Thursday is the 9th, Friday is the 9th -- I'm sorry. Friday is the 10th. Would you agree with me? Okay. Let's get it right. MR. VARKAS: Wednesday is the 8th. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Thursday is the -- MR. VARKAS: The 9th. MR. HANNA: Friday is the 10th. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Let me get the dates right. Thursday is the 9th and Wednesday is the 8th. So would you agree with me that on the 8th, which is a Wednesday, at 4:30 I'm not at Mr. Nicoletti's office, right? A. Not on the 10th. Q. On the 9th I'm not at Mr. Nicoletti's office, am I? A. No. Q. Okay. On the 9th -- on the 10th, which is a Friday, Mr. Nicoletti is telling the mayor on Friday that he has prepared -- he has worked on a stipulation that could provide a means of resolving, and he doesn't know if his meeting is still on with Mr. Jonas. Right? A. That's what it says. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 178 Q. Are you saying that I met with Mr. Nicoletti on Friday to prepare a stipulation? A. No. Q. So I wasn't there Monday when you signed this stipulation, and I wasn't there Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Are you saying that on the weekend I met with Mr. Nicoletti to do the stipulation and I dictated it to him? A. No. Q. When did I meet with Mr. Nicoletti? A. I believe you met him on Monday. Q. On Monday -- Monday the 13th? A. Yes. Q. The date of it -- it says Edwin R. Jonas is the attorney for the O'Hares? A. Yes. Q. So you think I was there with all of these people, but I'm not on this agreement. A. Well, as I previously testified, people were coming and going. And now that I see this document it's coming -- it is gelling into more of a formal memory, and I believe that you were there, and you had Nicoletti modify a stipulation agreement that he had already started to compose, and that Mr. Jonas is the one that Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 signed it. Page 179 Q. You told me you didn't remember if Mr. Jonas was there when it was signed. A. I don't remember Mr. Jonas. Q. You don't remember Mr. Jonas at all. A. You know, I couldn't tell you what he looks like. I couldn't tell -- Q. Red hair? A. No. The only thing I know about him is he was disbarred. I tried to get a hold of him, but I don't have any recollection of Mr. Jonas. Q. He was subsequently disbarred? A. I don't know. That's what I read. I did a little research. I couldn't testify. I don't know anything about Mr. Jonas. Q. But Mr. Jonas was there at the meeting and signed the settlement stipulation. A. Yes. He is on that -- Q. And Mr. Nicoletti knew he was going to be there. A. His signature is on that final document. MR. HANNA: Object to form. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So your sworn testimony -- I want to make sure we have this correct. Your sworn testimony under Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 180 penalties of perjury is that on April 13, 1999, I was in Ocean Ridge, Florida. A. No. That's not what I'm saying. Q. Mr. O'Hare, this stipulation was signed -- you're saying on April 12th I was in Ocean Ridge, Florida. A. I'm sorry. I didn't hear that. Q. You're saying that -- the stipulation was signed on April 13th, which is a Monday. A. 1998. Q. 1998. A. Not 199. Q. I'm sorry. 1998. Is it your sworn testimony on April 13, 1998 I was physically in Ocean Ridge, Florida, where this stipulation was executed, and it just so happens that my name is not on it? A. That's my recollection, sir. Q. And your recollection is that I was at your house before this was signed? A. That's -- Q. What day of the week was I at your house, Mr. O'Hare? A. Let me answer your first question. Q. Let me just retract it, and I'll ask you another question. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 181 We know that on April 7 Mr. Jonas wrote to Mr. Nicoletti, and we know on April 13 the settlement stipulation was signed. So we have April 7, which is a Tuesday. We have Wednesday. We know that on Thursday I made a call to Mr. Nicoletti, correct, with Mr. Jonas. And I would like to know what day you say I went to your house. A. My recollection is that you came to my house. We went to town hall. We hammered out the stipulation agreement. I remember your comments in the anteroom about having different tools in your bag and knowing when to use a feather or a hammer, and that you hammered out an agreement with him. I'm sorry. I shouldn't use the word "hammer." You modified his agreement and subsequently, I guess according to this, it was signed by Mr. Jonas, but I don't recall that part. Q. How was it modified? What was changed from Mr. Nicoletti's draft? A. You know, I'm standing in the back of the room, and I don't remember the exact words. I think there was a degree of cooperation on my part for future -- allowing future inspections on the inside of the building. Q. So your testimony is the day I went to your house was April 13th? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 182 A. That's my recollection. Q. And you don't remember if you paid me or Mr. Jonas. Who did you give the check to, this retainer agreement? A. I don't think I ever gave a check to Mr. Jonas. Q. Do you recall specifically? A. I believe I gave the check directly to you. Q. You don't recall specifically? A. I'm sorry. Q. You don't recall specifically? A. I believe I gave the check right to you. Q. Do you recall specifically? I'm not looking for your beliefs. This affidavit isn't about your beliefs, and this deposition today isn't about your beliefs. It's about what you know. A. My recollection, sir, is that I gave you a check. Q. And where was I when you gave me the check? A. My recollection is that we were in your office. Q. And you don't know the amount? A. I thought it was 10 to 15, but judging from this letter, it might have been -- yeah. I'll stick with 10 to 15. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 [ME 15 16 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 183 Q. What do you mean stick with it? Are you sure? A. That's what I believe how much I gave you. Q. What were you thinking before you said "you're sticking with it "? Was there some other number in mind? A. I was going to be more specific, because your quotation in here of spending 15,000 of my money leads me to believe that maybe it was closer to 15, but I know it was at least 10, so I'll stay with my testimony that it was between 10 and 15,000. Q. And I talked about spending legal fees this weekend, right? This weekend. So there was no -- definitely no settlement agreement until Monday, right? A. The 14th, whatever that date was. I'm sorry -- Q. The 13th. The 13th. Monday. A. The 13th is when the agreement was signed, the settlement was entered into the magistrate's record. Q. It was all done that day, right? The settlement agreement was all done on the 13th. A. No. Mr. Nicoletti had done a draft, as he writes, and it was finalized on the 13th. Q. Had he provided to -- he hadn't provided to you a copy of the proposed settlement agreement -- A. No. Q. -- prior to Monday, right, the 13th? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 184 A. Prior to the meeting, no. Q. So you told me you don't know who the check was written by, right, you or the LLC or personal? A. What do you mean? Q. You don't know if it was personal or LLC, right? A. I can't recall that. Q. Why -- if the property was owned by an entity, why was -- do you have any idea why you were, you and your wife were cited for the building code violation? A. I don't know. Q. So our representation, the Mr. Jonas and /or the Sweetapple firm representation lasted one week, right? A. Could you explain what you mean by "representation ?" Q. Well, we told them we were retained on the 7th, and by the 14th there was a signed stipulation. MR. HANNA: I'm going to object to the form; mischaracterization. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. The settlement was signed on the 13th. So from the time -- let me put it this way. From the time we advised Mr. Nicoletti through Mr. Jonas, who was of counsel, that we were coming in the case on the 7th, the Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 185 settlement stipulation was signed six days later, right? MR. HANNA: Object to the form. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Never mind. The document speaks for itself. I'll withdraw that. THE WITNESS: In order to answer that question -- MR. HANNA: There is no question pending. THE WITNESS: Okay. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. I'm comparing our letter to Mr. Nicoletti, telling him we were recently retained to the date on the stipulation, which was six days later. And you say here that you shared confidences; that we've engaged in many long discussions. These two to three conversations you talked about and the phone conversation you say were long discussions? A. I think I testified there were about eight discussions on the phone. Q. "They were long discussions, and we worked closely together on legal issues and strategies regarding evolving situations." Is that your language, or is that Mr. Hanna's language? A. That sound likes it was refined by Mr. Hanna, but mostly it was mine. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 186 Q. "And we shared confidences as well as personal and privileged information. Attorney Sweetapple has personal and substantial knowledge of plaintiff's private and business affairs; plaintiff's personal history; and plaintiff's personal predilections, predispositions, and proclivities." Mr. O'Hare, I have racked my brain to remember even meeting you, or even see you in my office. And I have -- until the settlement conference, I had no idea what you did for a living. I have no knowledge at all of your private and business affairs. I know nothing about your personal history. I know nothing about your personal predilections, other than you like to file lawsuits. I know nothing about your predisposition and proclivities, other than what I have learned through my representation of Gulf Stream. So as you sit here today, are you telling me under oath that you believe that I have personal and substantial knowledge of your private and business affairs? MR. HANNA: I'm going to object to the form and move to strike, the testifying part. MR. SWEETAPPLE: That will be in my affidavit, but I'm telling him that because I think he'll be honest with me. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 187 BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Are you telling me that you have personal knowledge that I have personal and substantial knowledge of your private and business affairs? A. This is a question? Q. Yes. A. Yes. Q. And what do the business affairs relate to? Without giving me any -- without giving me any specifics, is there some company I represented for you or some entity that I was involved in representing? What business affairs are you talking about? What entity? A. The affairs we discussed in our conversations. Q. For which entities? Which entity? A. I'm sorry? Q. What business entities? A. My business at the time. Q. What business was yours at the time? A. The same one I have today. Q. What is the name of it? A. Pineapple Grove Designs. Q. And what exactly does it do? A. We manufacture sculptural architectural Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 188 Q. Have I ever done any work with regard to that company that I'm unaware of? A. We had wide- ranging conversations that included my business, my personal life, my relationship with the town, my history of being a commissioner; and that's what I'm referring to. Q. In terms of the business affairs, you had a business where you're a designer or an artist? A. I take that back. Let me qualify it. I also have the business of Ocean Ridge Holdings. Q. And what is that? A. That is the properties in Ocean Ridge that I own. Q. And you sought my counsel with regard to Ocean Ridge Holdings? A. That's 21 Tropical Drive. Q. You're talking about the code violation. A. That and the Emmett Pace lawsuit, which threatened the revocation of my permit. Q. Other than those -- other than your code violation and Emmett Pace's case regarding your work as a commissioner that you talked about, where you say it was against you and Ocean Ridge, is there any business that you are engaged in that you've ever talked to me about? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 189 A. Those were the businesses at the time. Q. Any other businesses like this Pineapple Grove or whatever? A. That was my business at the time with Ocean Ridge Holdings, yes. Q. But you didn't have any legal issues with regard to that that you spoke to me about, did you? A. I felt like I was being vetted to see if I qualified as a client, and we discussed it in depth. Q. So in the initial conversations you're saying I asked background about what you do, who you are. A. Yes. Basically. Q. With regard to your private affairs, you say -- let's start with business affairs. You say that I have personal and substantial knowledge of plaintiff's personal and private business affairs. Tell me what business affairs -- without giving me specifics, what businesses do I have personal and substantial knowledge of? A. Sorry. Is this the same question again? Q. No. I'm saying you said about the code violation, and you talked about Emmett Pace. What business affairs, other than those two, do you believe I have any substantial knowledge about? A. Not other than those two. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 190 Q. Okay. And what personal affairs do you believe I have substantial knowledge about? A. Well, without talking about my medical history, the sufficient ones to have you recommend Heath King for me. Q. That's not a legal representation of you, is it? Are you saying I represented you in some mental health issue? A. You recommended I see Dr. Heath King, which I did. Q. You're volunteering that because that is not lawyer- client or... A. I'm sorry. I didn't understand the question. Q. Okay. You stated publicly that I've -- you told people I recommended Heath King to you. A. During a confidential meeting. MR. HANNA: I'm going to object. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Have you talked to -- have you told other -- I don't want to talk about settlement conversations. Have you told other people that I've recommended Heath King to you? A. Oh, yes. Yes. Q. And you've recommended Heath King to other people? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 191 A. Yeah. He's a great guy. I appreciate the recommendation. Q. Okay. So I've recommended Heath King to you. Other than that, what other -- you say is personal, what other substantial personal knowledge do you say I have of you? A. Well, the whole enchilada of issues that ended up with you recommending him, without going into detail. Q. Was that -- was that regarding some legal case? MR. HANNA: Objection. I'm instructing the witness not to answer. You're getting into attorney - client privilege. He is talking about what he spoke with you about. MR. SWEETAPPLE: I'm asking him was there some legal -- was there some legal case, that -- MR. HANNA: You're still asking him to divulge what the conversations were. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Okay. When did you have this conversation with me where I recommended Heath King? Was that in my office? Telephone? What year was it? A. It was face to face. I remember your hand on my shoulder, and you just referred to some issues that I had and recommended I speak to him. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 192 1 Q. What year was it? 2 A. This would have been 198, I believe. 3 Q. Was it after the code violation? 4 A. It was at the conclusion of all that stuff. 5 Q. At the end of it? 6 A. Yeah. 7 Q. Okay. 8 A. Oh. To the best of my recollection. 9 Q. Okay. And did you go see Heath King? 10 A. Multiple times. 11 Q. And you're saying my recommendation that you 12 go talk to Heath King was in my capacity as a lawyer? 13 A. Was what? 14 Q. In my capacity as a lawyer? 15 A. I don't know how to answer that. 16 Q. Was it just a friendly recommendation to you 17 because of something you said? 18 A. It was referenced in regard to my behavior in 19 the previous incidents, and you were my lawyer. So it 20 was -- I guess, it was in regard to -- you gave me the 21 advice as my lawyer. 22 Q. Had you had any anger outbursts or screaming? 23 A. I was pretty angry. 24 Q. Were you screaming somewhere? 25 A. Screaming? I don't recall that. No, I don't Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 think I screamed. Page 193 Q. Okay. And then it says in Paragraph 6, "Sweetapple informed plaintiff that he would be one of the attorneys who would be representing Gulf Stream in an action." Okay. Did I personally -- are you talking about me personally informing you? MR. HANNA: I'm going to object. You're getting into the confidentiality agreement. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. It says "Sweetapple" -- the only place I've ever spoken to you was in the -- about the pending cases was at the settlement conference, right? A. No. Q. And you put it into a pleading. "Sweetapple informed plaintiff that he would be one of the attorneys who would be representing Gulf Stream in an action." Then you say, "Which we'll claim plaintiff has violated the RICO Act and other threatened actions, which include the state attorney's office." Are you referring to what you allege occurred at a mediation? A. No. I knew about that before the meeting. Q. But it says here "Sweetapple informed plaintiff." A. Well, when I say plaintiff, I'm talking about Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 194 me and my attorney. Q. Okay. A. My attorney communicated to me. MR. HANNA: Settlement offer. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So this is a reference to a settlement -- reference to a communication that's hearsay that your attorney told you about? You're swearing here to what I informed you, okay? That means I told you. Okay. Not hearsay. So is this a reference to something that was in a settlement conference, or is it a reference to something you heard from someone else? MR. HANNA: I'm going to object and instruct the witness not to answer. MR. VARKAS: What grounds? MR. HANNA: Attorney - client privilege and also settlement conference. We had a meeting on July 24th where this offer was made to me, and I conveyed to my client to -- I think it was August 12th Bob and I met. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Settlement communications are not privileged for discovery; they're privileged for admissibility at the trial. MR. HANNA: I know that. (Conferring.) Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 195 Q. Paragraph 7, page 3 of 6, you refer to a Bar rule 4 -17, interest of current clients. You're not a current client of me, are you? A. I'm sorry. I heard Paragraph 7. What was the Q. First sentence you cite the bar rule that deals with current clients. You're not a current client, right? You haven't been -- you don't allege you've been a client since 1998? A. I'm thinking that's the town. I'm not sure. Q. It says with current clients. That rule has nothing to do with you. Then it talks about attorney may not represent conflicting interest in the sale general transaction. The transactions in Gulf Stream are not the same general transactions that occurred in 1998, are they? A. I think they're similar. Q. So you think they're the same or a substantially similar matter; what happened in Gulf Stream, what happened in Ocean Ridge, you think is the same or substantially similar legal matter as this case? A. Yes, I do. Q. Okay. And then on page 4 of your motion at the -- right above where it says Paragraph 10, it says, Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 196 "The moving party must offer evidence of specific similarities between the prior representation and the pending litigation. Merely pointing to a superficial resemblance between the present and prior representations will not substitute for a careful comparison demanded by our cases." That's what your lawyer actually put in the motion; do you see that? A. I read that now, yes. Q. And you were aware of that when you signed this, right? A. Yes, I read that. Q. You knew that was the law, right? A. Yes. Q. Because your lawyer cited it right in his own motion. Please tell me all of the specific similarities between the alleged prior representation and the pending representation, please. A. I don't know that I have that until we complete our discovery process. So I'm not sure I can answer your question the way you asked it. Q. You're taking -- you filed a motion to disqualify me before taking the discovery? A. We haven't deposed you, Mr. Sweetapple. I'm not sure what you're asking me. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 197 Q. You filed this motion because you believed it was in good faith at the time you filed it, right? A. Yes. Q. You didn't need my deposition to file this motion. A. Yes. That's correct. Q. So I want to know that -- you're the moving party. I want to know what did you believe was the specific evidence -- or the evidence of specific similarities between the prior representation and the pending litigation? A. Oh. Okay. I believe that the litigation with the Town of Ocean Ridge and all the incidental things that happened with the state attorney's office with the code enforcement, with the Emmett Pace discussion, all those things are similar to what is happening with the Town of Gulf Stream. Q. Did I ever meet with the state attorney? A. I have no knowledge of that. Q. Did I ever talk to the state attorney? A. I have no knowledge of that. Q. Did I ever appear in any case involving a state attorney? A. Not that I'm aware of. Q. So is it your position that based on what you Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 198 say was my representation in 198, I couldn't defend the case you brought with regard to whether or not you're entitled to have -- to shoot your gun in your backyard? A. I'm sorry? Q. That I'm precluded now from representing Gulf Stream ever with regard to a lawsuit you brought with regard to the shooting of a gun in your backyard; that there is specific similarities between your case involving shooting a gun in your backyard and what occurred back in 198; is that what you're saying? MR. HANNA: Object to form. THE WITNESS: I believe there are similarities between the cases, yes. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So once -- so if a lawyer represented you with regard to what you described in 198, he could never represent another town that you sued because he represented you 16 years before on something. Is that what you're saying? A. No. Absolutely not. Q. Like you own me? A. You can represent any town you like and what have you, but not in regard to me, sir. Q. Do you believe I can represent Gulf Stream on anything involving you? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 199 A. Involving me? Q. Yeah. A. If there were things that were not similar, I would imagine you would be entitled to that. Q. But isn't the standard substantially similar, specific similarities? A. Yes. I believe that is true. Q. So your case where there is a boat, you put a boat -- you have put a boat in a canal with caricatures of the mayor. A. It was a political speech. Q. I understand. Adult political speech, right? A. There was nothing R rated. Q. I'm saying adult in terms of you're acting like an adult. A. Yes. Q. As opposed to drawing cartoons, like children MR. HANNA: Object to form. Move to strike. THE WITNESS: I take that as offense. I believe that Thomas Nast started that with Tammany Hall. I think it's a very adult thing to do. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. So you think that if you put cartoons of elected officials in places and the town is sued, that I Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 200 couldn't represent the town in that case because of what happened in 1998; that's your position? A. I think you have substantial knowledge of me, and it puts me in an unfair advantage if you represent the town in something substantially similar. Q. And you think a lawsuit involving a boat with a cartoon character that you put in it that you're floating in the waterway is substantially related to what happened, that you described in 1998? A. Well, your limited description of that does not adequately describe all the issues of that. Q. So let me -- A. My boat being in the waterway. Q. Let me make it clear. You believe I have a conflict of interest in representing the town of Gulf Stream in any cases that you filed, right? A. That are substantially similar to this. Q. You've got, right now, 35 or more cases you've described. We know what all the cases are. They're a matter of public record. Are there any of those cases that you think I have a right to appear and represent the Town of Gulf Stream in as a lawyer? A. Not those cases, no. Q. So there's no case that you filed that I have Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 0 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 201 right to practice law and represent the Town of Gulf Stream? MR. HANNA: Object to form; asked and answered. THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. I need to qualify or correct my last answer. When I said no cases, I meant, No, I don't think there are any of those cases that you should be allowed to represent the town on. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Any of the 35 cases that are pending? MR. HANNA: Object to form. THE WITNESS: Sorry. MR. HANNA: Go ahead. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. You think what? MR. HANNA: You can still answer. I'm reserving. THE WITNESS: I think they're substantially similar to the Ocean Ridge instance. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Let me take a five - minute break. I think I'm almost finished. THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 3:00 o'clock p.m. We're going off the record. (At 3:00 p.m. a recess was taken.) Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 202 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 3:05 p.m. We're back on the record. BY MR. SWEETAPPLE: Q. Do you see in your motion on page 4 how you highlighted "in the same matter or substantially related to the prior representation." Do you see that? A. That's page 4? Q. Right. A. Yes. Q. So you included a legal memo in your motion that you swore to, right? A. Yes. Q. Did you ever read that rule that's referenced? A. I read so many. Yes. Q. Are you aware that substantially related -- that there's a comment to the rule that discusses what substantially related means? A. There's a -- I'm sorry. Q. There's a definition in the rule of what substantially related means in the comments. Are you aware -- have you ever read the rule? A. Yeah, but I don't remember the definition. Q. Are you aware that the comments to rule 4 -1.9 says, "Matters that are substantially related for the purpose of this rule if they involve the same Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 203 transaction or legal dispute ?" So we know this doesn't involve the same transaction or legal dispute, right? A. I think it does. Q. Okay. So you think it is the same transaction or legal suit. Then it says, "Or if current matter would involve the matters attacking work that the lawyer performed for the former client." Is there anything in the current case that would attack my former work from 1998? A. I don't understand the question. Q. Okay. I'll save that for the court. A. I don't know what attack means. MR. SWEETAPPLE: I'll save that for the court. I don't think I have any further questions at this time. CROSS (CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE) BY MR. HANNA: Q. I just want to follow up. Can you look at Paragraph 10. It says, "In this case Attorney Sweetapple is not being accused of switching sides in the same case." A. Yes. Q. Okay. The boat -- the case involving the boat, was there a code enforcement hearing scheduled for that? Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 204 1 A. I was threatened with one. No, it never came 2 out. 3 Q. Did they threaten you with a hearing, and we 4 had a long argument about getting the hearing reset 5 because of due process violations? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. With the Ocean Ridge matter, who were the 8 other commissioners on the board at the time in 1998; 9 January 198 through June 198? 10 A. Mayor George Stamos, then later Mayor Ken 11 Kaleel, Gail Aaskov, Digby Bridges, and myself. 12 Q. How did you get along with Digby Bridges and 13 Gail Aaskov? 14 A. Most of the times, fine. But there was some 15 instances where it didn't go so smoothly. 16 Q. Were there some personal problems with them? 17 MR. SWEETAPPLE: Object to form. Outside the 18 scope. 19 THE WITNESS: (Nodding head.) 20 BY MR. HANNA: 21 Q. Now, with this period of time from the time 22 the Pace lawsuit was filed through the resolution of the 23 Sunshine Law violations, were those issues all 24 intertwined? 25 A. I believe they were. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 205 Q. What was the result -- the Pace lawsuit settled in approximately January or February of 198; is that right? A. Yes. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Note my objection to form. BY MR. HANNA: Q. How much did you pay for the settlement? MR. SWEETAPPLE: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: I contributed about $10,000. BY MR. HANNA: Q. Did you pay anything towards the settlement? A. I paid $10,000 towards the settlement. Q. After that was -- was that settlement approved by the commission? A. Yes. I believe I abstained. Q. Did any of the townspeople have issues about how that settlement was handled? A. Yes. Q. And what were those issues? A. Accusations of favoritism and backroom deals, that the town was somehow in my pocket and did inappropriate things on my behalf. Q. Now, after that was done, when did the code enforcement hearing pop up, or the code violation? A. It was soon after. Within a month or so. Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 206 Q. And how was that brought to the town's attention? MR. SWEETAPPLE: Object to the form. THE WITNESS: Digby Bridges had -- and another commissioner had photographs that were taken by a friend of Gail Aaskov's that supposedly showed a code violation. And he entered them into the town staff and demanded they do an investigation. BY MR. HANNA: Q. And who was the person that made the -- MR. SWEETAPPLE: Just give me a standing objection to form. BY MR. HANNA: Q. Who was the person that made the decision to file a code enforcement case against you? A. I don't know that. Q. Okay. Who was the town manager? A. That was Gary Lanker. Q. And did you have any issues with Mr. Lanker at that time? A. I was trying to get him fired. Q. Okay. Now, after the code enforcement hearing, you entered into the stipulation. Is that when the Sunshine Law violation arose? A. They were very close. I think the Sunshine Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 207 Law might have been after. I can't be sure. They were very close. Q. Who was the person that made the Sunshine Law violation, or the claim? A. That's the name I was trying to remember. Jeff Koons was the county commissioner. Q. Was there a former mayor of Ocean Ridge also involved in that? A. I believe Digby Bridges complained to Jeff Koons. MR. HANNA: Let me see. I don't have anything further. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Okay. MR. HANNA: He'll read. MR. SWEETAPPLE: Okay. Good. I'll take a copy. Thank you. Appreciate it. (At 3:13 p.m. the deposition was concluded.) Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 208 THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I, the undersigned authority, certify that the aforementioned witness personally appeared before me and was duly sworn. Dated this 11th day of November, 2014. Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR, CLR Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 8/20/15 My Commission No.: EE 112218 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 209 C E R T I F I C A T E THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I, Debra Duran - Bornstein, Registered Professional Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at large, do hereby certify that I was authorized to and did report said deposition in stenotype; and that the foregoing pages are a true and correct transcription of my shorthand notes of said deposition. I further certify that said deposition was taken at the time and place hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said deposition was commenced and completed as hereinabove set out. I further certify that I am not attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any attorney or counsel of party connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. The foregoing certification of this transcript does not apply to any reproduction of the same by any means unless under the direct control and /or direction of the certifying reporter. Dated this 11th day of November, 2014. N0\ ?I f %) 1 1 Debra Duran - Bornstein, RPR, CLR Notary Public - State of Florida My Commission Expires: 8/20/15 My Commission No.: EE 112218 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 November 12, 2014 Mark Hanna, Esquire GMMM /MADISON P.A. 401 South County Road Suite 3272 Palm Beach, Florida 33480 In Re: O'Hare vs. Town of Gulf Stream The referenced transcript has been completed and awaits reading and signing. Please have your client review your copy of the transcript at your convenience or if a copy was not ordered, to call our office at the below - listed number to schedule an appointment between the hours of 9:00 a.m. and 3:30 p.m., Monday through Friday to make an appointment to come to our office and read the deposition. If desired, your client may also opt to waive signature. If so, please have your client sign their name at the bottom and mail to our office to be attached to the original transcript. If the transcript is not reviewed and signed within 30 days, the original, which has already been sent to the ordering attorney, may be filed with the Clerk of the Court. Very truly yours, Debra Duran & Associates 224 Datura Street, Suite 402 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 PH: 561) 313 -8000 CHRISTOPHER O'HARE CC: All Counsel Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Page 210 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 211 C E R T I F I C A T E THE STATE OF FLORIDA) COUNTY OF PALM BEACH) I hereby certify that I have read the foregoing deposition by me given, and that the statements contained herein are true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief, with the exception of any corrections or notations made on the errata sheet, if one was executed. Dated this day of 2014. CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 Page 212 E R R A T A S H E E T IN RE: O'HARE V GULF STREAM C.R. DD DEPOSITION OF: CHRISTOPHER F. O'HARE TAKEN: 10 -24 -14 DO NOT WRITE ON TRANSCRIPT - ENTER CHANGES HERE PAGE # LINE # CHANGE REASON Please forward the original signed errata sheet to this office so that copies may be distributed to all parties. Under penalty of perjury, I declare that I have read my deposition and that it is true and correct subject to any changes in form or substance entered here. 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194:12,18 conference/ mediation 132:23 Conferring 194:25 confidences 185:13 186:1 confidential 133:22 139:12,15, 21 141:3 142:22,24 143:10 190:16 confidentiality 137:25 193:8 conflict 200:15 conflicting 195:14 confused 160:16 163:8,24 171:10 conscious 127:5 constructed 175:10 consult 127:9 consulted 149:12, 15 contacted 126:12 127:18,21 176:7 contained 137:22 contend 175:9 content 125:17,20 126:4 130:2 137:1 contents 126:10 134:1,137:24 continue 173:17 continued 125:1 139:6 contradicts 160:24 contributed 205:9 conversation 126:11 130:3,17,23 141:25 153:1 155:15 185:16 191:20 conversations 125:10,14,20,22 126:1,8 127:22 128:4,21 130:5,25 142:12 185:15 187:14 188:3 189:10 190:20 191:18 conveyed 194:20 cooperation 181:21 copied 140:13 170:5,11 173:14 copies 167:8 copy 127:7129:16 168:21,25 183:23 207:16 correct 129:9 139:15,19 152:11 168:6 171:4 172:3 174:21 179:25 181:5 201:6 council 141:14,15 164:1 counsel 138:18 140:5,9 151:12 154:3,15,16 167:5 169:22,23,25 171:11 184:25 188:14 county 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final 179:21 finalized 165:4 183:21 fine 154:23 204:14 finished 201:22 fire 147:9149:18 firearms 147:7,12 149:19 tired 206:21 firm 134:15135:6 149:13 150:6 154:2 167:5,20 169:23,24,25 170:2 171:4,7,10,11 184:13 five- minute 201:21 fix 157:10 fixes 157:12 floating 200:8 Florida 135:21,23, 24 136:3,4,152:13 165:17 180:2,6,15 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 flower 170:16 171:1,2 follow 203:18 force 152:19,21 forgotten 150:10 form 168:13 170:19 175:23 176:13 179:22 184:19 185:2 186:21 198:11 199:19 201:3,12 204:17 205:5,8 206:3,12 formal 178:22 formally 146:9 169:18 forthcoming 140:17 142:19 143:18 Friday 172:5,6,8,9 173:24 174:14,15 175:16 176:23 177:1,2,3,9,21 178:2,6 friend 157:23 206:6 friendly 192:16 front 138:10 future 173:3 181:22 G Gail 204:11,13 206:6 Gary 169:11175:1 206:18 gave 129:3 159:9 182:5,8,12,17,19 183:2 192:20 gelling 178:22 general 136:9 195:15,16 George 204:10 get along 204:12 Giovani 149:4 give 130:11 144:10,12,20 152:2 153:24 167:8 182:3 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165:9 incorporated 162:14 Information 138:16 139:23,24 140:4 141:13,23 145:15 186:2 informed 193:3, 15,23 194:9 informing 193:6 initial 189:10 inside 152:24 181:22 inspection 126:15 inspections 181:22 instance 201:20 instances 204:15 instruct 137:12 143:2 194:14 instructing 191:11 intend 155:16 Intended 174:24 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Index: Giovani -Jonas interest 195:3,14 200:15 interests 159:19 intertwined 204:24 intimidate 174:24 Intracoastal 170:16,18 171:1 investigation 128:2,23 151:7 206:8 involve 202:25 2032,6 involved 149:13 156:19 187:11 207:8 involves 141:9 Involving 151:7,8 197:22 198:9,25 199:1200:6 203:23 issue 130:6148:12 175:11 190:8 issued 175:21 176:11 issues 141:5 185:20 189:6 191:7,24 200:11 204:23 205:16, 206:19 issuing 127:17 J January 204:9 205:2 Jeff 207:6,9 Jersey 136:6 joke 131:25 joking 132:1 Jonas 164:16,19 165:1,7,16 167:5 168:11,18 169:4, 22,23 172:15 173:7,11 174:19 175:13 176:9 177:24 178:15,25 179:2,4,5,11,15,16 181:1,5,16 182:3,6 184:12,24 Jonathan 134:19, 23 135:5 136:13,15 137:2 149:24 judging 182:23 July 194:18 June 204:9 K Kaleel 173:23 204:11 Karen 169:6 Ken 204:10 Kenneth 173:23 kind 132:17 King 129:24190:5, 9,15,21,24 191:3, 21 192:9,12 knew 141:1,3 179:19 193:22 196:13 knowing 181:11 knowingly 159:20 knowledge 142:15,17,20,25 143:9 186:3,10,19 187:3 189:15,19,24 190:2 191:5 197:19,21200:3 Koons 207:6,10 L language 185:22, 23 Looker 165:8 169:12 170:8 206:18,19 Lanker's 175:1 large 157:5 lasted 184:13 late 157:21 law 134:15 149:13 150:6 152:13 156:20 196:13 201:1204:23 206:24 207:1,3 lawsuit 129:4 148:1,2,7,9,11,14, 16 149:25 151:7 153:3 158:4,13,19 159:9,14 160:3,11, 12,14,18,20,23 161:15 188:18 200:6 204:22 205:1 lawsuits 146:11 148:9 186:14 lawyer 142:9 148:20 161:8,9,11 170:2 171:11 192:12,14,19,21 196:7,198:15 200:23 203:6 lawyer's 142:11 155:13 lawyer- client 190:12 lawyers 148:25 149:11 leads 183:6 learn 140:12 learned 138:3,21 139:17 140:11 186:15 legal 129:14 130:9, 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160:2,18 161:12, 14,15 202:24 203:6 mayor 173:23 175:6 177:21 204:10 207:7 means 135:7170:1 175:7 177:23 194:10 202:17,20 203:12 meant 201:7 mediation 133:9, 23 138:3,7,19,22, 23,25 139:2,7,9,10 193:21 medical 190:3 meet 135:13,21 178:11 197:18 meeting 133:13, 17,18,22,25 134:1, 24 135:2,3 137:25 139:14,17,21,23 140:2 141:3,15 142:24 143:10,20 164:3 165:5,6 175:13 177:24 179:16 184:1 186:8 190:16 193:22 194:18 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Index: Jonathan- motion meetings 125:11, 14,23 141:14 149:5 memo 173:22 174:12 202:10 memory 131:17 169:3 178:22 mental 190:7 mention 158:12 mentioned 143:13 149:22 merits 132:19 Mesa 149:4 met 135:22,24 136:12 148:24,25 151:8 178:1,7,12 194:21 mind 130:15 150:17 172:21 183:4 185:3 mine 185:25 mischaracterizati on 184:20 misleading 160:17 Mister 135:17 176:6 modified 181:14, 17 modify 178:24 moment 172:23 Monday 168:4,8, 10,18,19 171:21 172:9 173:25 175:13 178:4,12,13 180:9 183:12,15,25 money 126:18 183:6 month 205:25 months 129:21 Morgan's 131:3 motion 136:24 137:16 138:2 139:24 140:8 141:18 153:11,13 169:2 195:24 196:8,16,22 197:1, 5 202:4,10 motions 153:18 154:2 move 186:22 199:19 moving 196:1 197:7 multiple 154:2 192:10 mutual 157:23 IU named 159:18 160:12,22 170:2 Nast 199:21 necessity 169:17 neighbor 160:15 neighboring 158:5,9,16,19 159:10 160:3,19 Nicoletti 164:17, 19 165:7 166:9,14 167:5 172:15 173:16,23 174:11 175:15 176:7 177:21 178:1,8,11, 23 179:19 181:2,5 183:20 184:24 185:10 Nicoletti's 176:18, 23 177:14,17 181:18 nodding 204:19 nonetheless 175:11 Note 205:5 notice 153:16 163:25 noticed 163:4 number 134:16 138:1 144:10,12,20 157:6 165:17 183:4 X O'boyle 134:12, 15,17,18,19,20,21, 23 135:5 136:13,15 137:2 149:13,24 150:6 O'hare 125:6 157:19 162:9 167:20 169:14 171:8 172:21 180:4,22 186:7 203:16 O'hares 165:17 178:16 oath 131:24 166:11,12 186:18 object 137:11 141:8 168:13 170:19 175:23 176:13 179:22 184:19 185:2 186:21 190:17 193:7 194:14 198:11 199:19 201:3,12 204:17 205:8 206:3 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138:11 140:22 144:1 155:9 157:21 195:2,5,25 203:19 paralegal 172:22 parameters 147:14 Park 170:15 parse 136:1 part 142:22 181:16,21 186:22 parties 134:5 162:12 parts 130:15 135:18 party 128:16,18 134:10 158:12,16 160:10,14,19,20,22 196:1 197:8 past 155:14 Paul 173:23 pay 205:7,11 paying 159:16 pays 172:24 penalties 180:1 pending 126:11,13 150:7 156:16 185:7 193:11 196:3,17 201:11 Pennsylvania 136:9,10 people 134:2,4 165:6,9 166:16 178:19,20 190:15, 21,25 people's 157:6 performed 203:7 Debra Duran & Associates Phone 561.313.8000 Fax 561.835.8586 Index: motions - plaintiff period 204:21 perjury 180:1 permission 147:25 permit 127:17 151:19,21,25 152:2,3,6,9,10 175:20 176:11 188:19 person 206:10,14 207:3 personal 139:25 140:1,24 141:7,24 142:14,17,20,25 143:9 153:5 184:3, 5 186:1,3,4,5,12, 13,18 187:2,3 188:4 189:15,16,18 190:1 191:4,5 204:16 personally 133:11 193:5,6 Philadelphia 136:6 phone 125:19,22 126:1,8 127:18,22, 25 128:1 175:2,14, 19 185:15,18 photographs 206:5 phrase 155:5,6,7 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