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1 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT
2 PUBLIC HEARING
3 MAY 12, 2015
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1 I N D E X
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3 Introduction by Ms. Kelling 5
4 Presentation by Mr. Hoelscher 9
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1 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS
2 SEWER DISTRICT, produced and examined on May 12,
3 2015, between the hours of 6:00 in the evening and
4 7:17 in the evening of that day, at the Pointe at
5 Ballwin Commons, One Ballwin Commons Circle,
6 Ballwin, Missouri, before Suzanne M. Zes, a
7 Certified Court Reporter of the State of Missouri.
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2 For the MSD Rate Commission:
3 Lori A. Kelling
West St. Louis County Chamber of Commerce
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John L. Stein
5 Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers
Russell Hawes
6 St. Louis County Municipal League
7 Mark Schoedel
Lutheran Senior Services
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10 Executive Director
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 MS. KELLING: Good evening, everyone.
3 We're going to begin. My name is Lori Kelling and
4 I'm a member of the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer
5 District Rate Commission and I will be presiding
6 over the Public Hearing this evening.
7 Tonight with me we have Mr. John Stein and
8 Mr. Russell Hawes. Did I say that right?
9 MR. HAWES: Yes.
10 MS. KELLING: All right. The Charter
11 Plan of the District was amended at the general
12 election on November 7, 2000, and established the
13 Rate Commission to review and make recommendations
14 to the District regarding changes in wastewater
15 rates, stormwater rates and tax rates proposed by
16 the District.
17 The Charter Plan requires the MSD Board of
18 Trustees to select organizations to ensure a fair
19 representation of all users of the District's
20 services on the Rate Commission. The Rate
21 Commission representative organizations are to
22 represent commercial-industrial users, residential
23 users and other organizations interested in the
24 operation of the District, including organizations
25 focusing on environment issues, labor issues,
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1 socioeconomic issues, community-neighborhood
2 organizations and other nonprofit organizations.
3 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15
4 members from organizations and institutions
5 throughout St. Louis County and City.
6 On February 26, 2015, the Rate Commission
7 received a Rate Change Notice proposing changes to
8 the District's wastewater rates and stormwater
9 revenues. The Rate Commission adopted Operational
10 Rules and a Procedural Schedule to govern the
11 proceedings on March 4, 2015.
12 Under the current Procedural Schedule adopted
13 by the Rate Commission the MSD Rate Commission has
14 until June 26, 2015 to review and make a
15 recommendation to the MSD Board of Trustees as to
16 whether the proposed rates should be approved, not
17 by approving or modified with suggested changes and
18 then approved. The Commission has, however,
19 requested an extension from the MSD Board of
20 Trustees until August 10, 2015, which has not yet
21 been acted upon.
22 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged legal
23 counsel and a rate consultant independent of those
24 used by the MSD staff.
25 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate
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1 Commission, as amended, any person affected by the
2 Rate Change Proposal had an opportunity to submit an
3 application to intervene in these proceedings.
4 Applications to intervene have been filed by the
5 Home Builders Association of St. Louis and Missouri
6 Industrial Energy Consumers. These applications
7 have been granted.
8 Since February 26, 2015, the MSD Rate
9 Commission has received testimony from MSD staff.
10 The parties have also engaged in discovery requests.
11 Additional testimony from the Intervenors and the
12 Rate Consultant will be filed.
13 A Prehearing Conference for the purpose of
14 identifying any issues raised by the Rate Setting
15 Documents and the prepared testimony previously
16 submitted will be conducted on the record. All
17 persons submitting testimony may participate in the
18 Prehearing Conference and each participant in the
19 Prehearing Conference shall submit a Prehearing
20 Conference Report describing the issues raised by
21 the Rate Setting Documents and the prepared
22 testimony, together with a brief description of such
23 participant's position, if any, on each issue and
24 the rationale therefor.
25 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are
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1 permitted to participate in these on-the-record
2 public hearings conducted in nine sessions beginning
3 on May 11, 2015 and concluding on June 9, 2015.
4 The Rate Commission public -- I'm sorry --
5 the Rate Commission published a Public Notice
6 regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis
7 Post-Dispatch and in the St. Louis American. These
8 Notices contained the time, dates and location of
9 each of the conferences and hearings.
10 The Public Hearing session tonight is for the
11 purpose of permitting the District to present its
12 Wastewater and Stormwater Rate Change Proposal, and
13 to permit any ratepayer an opportunity to comment.
14 We will begin with a presentation by the District
15 followed by a public comment period.
16 Those wishing to speak should sign in on the
17 sheet provided and will be called on in the order of
18 the names listed thereon. Each ratepayer should
19 identify themselves and any organizations
20 represented by such ratepayer.
21 Several housekeeping rules before we begin
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23 If you wish to present testimony please sign
24 in on the clipboard by Libby in the back. Speakers
25 will be recognized in the order in which they are
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1 signed up. Several groups wrote in advance
2 requesting time to speak and they will be allowed to
3 speak first, if applicable.
4 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of ten
5 minutes to speak regarding the proposed rate change.
6 As the presiding officer I can limit or expand the
7 time, should I deem it necessary.
8 The restrooms are located outside both the
9 exit doors right in the center. And other specific
10 site instructions, refreshments are in the back.
11 Are there any questions regarding the
12 procedure this evening? (No response.)
13 And is the District ready to proceed?
14 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, we are.
15 MS. KELLING: Okay.
16 MR. HOELSCHER: Good evening, my name is
17 Brian Hoelscher. I'm the executive director with
18 the St. Louis Metropolitan Sewer District. Tonight
19 we're going to go over a proposal that was submitted
20 by MSD to the Rate Commission for their
21 consideration.
22 As previously stated, at the end of my
23 presentation there will be a period for comments if
24 anyone in the public would like to comment on the
25 presentation they saw. In addition, MSD staff is
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1 here to answer questions you have about the
2 presentation or any other MSD issue after these
3 proceedings are over and we will stay as long as
4 necessary in order to accommodate all the questions.
5 Two things to keep in mind before I start the
6 presentation. One, the wastewater rates are driven
7 by a Consent Decree that MSD signed based on a
8 lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice and the
9 EPA. The wastewater rates are driven by the
10 requirements to meet the conditions of that Consent
11 Decree.
12 Second, I will also be going over a proposed
13 change in the way MSD collects stormwater taxes.
14 Two reasons MSD is proposing something. One is to
15 equalize the service levels throughout the area and
16 also to provide funding for one half of the storm
17 sewer system which currently receives absolutely no
18 funding for operation and maintenance of that
19 system.
20 So the first page. Good thing to keep in
21 mind, MSD is actually two utilities. We provide
22 wastewater service, in that vein, we collect and
23 treat water that goes down drains, sinks, toilets,
24 showers, washing machines. It goes through miles of
25 pipe, gets to one of our treatment plants, we treat
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1 that according to our permits and discharge it to
2 the rivers in the area, in the Missouri River, the
3 Mississippi River or the Meramec River.
4 The wastewater service is currently funded
5 through a monthly bill that our wastewater
6 service -- or our wastewater customers receive.
7 That bill currently, for an average person, is
8 somewhere in the neighborhood of $36 per month.
9 Again, the revenues there are that monthly bill, if
10 you're a wastewater customer, that you receive from
11 MSD.
12 MSD is also a stormwater service provider.
13 Any of the rain that falls on the ground that
14 doesn't go directly to creeks and streams or soaked
15 in the ground can go through our public storm sewer
16 system, which would be inlets, manholes, concrete
17 pipes and concrete channels that are located
18 throughout our boundaries.
19 We are also required to address regulatory
20 concerns having to do with the pollutants that are
21 in stormwater runoff that enter our creeks and
22 streams. Those services are paid by a small monthly
23 fee of 24 cents per month that's on your wastewater
24 bill but mostly it's on your property tax. So when
25 you pay your property tax at the end of the year
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1 almost all the monies that MSD collects for
2 stormwater are on that annual property tax bill.
3 A little more on MSD's Rate Commission, going
4 over some of the information we had previously, it
5 was established in 2000 to provide public input to
6 how MSD sets its rates. Fifteen organizations
7 represent a broad cross-section of the community.
8 Each one of those organizations appoint one person
9 to serve as a rate commissioner.
10 We have three of them here with us -- four of
11 them, somebody snuck in, four of them here with us
12 this evening.
13 So the way the process works, MSD submits --
14 MSD staff submits a proposed Rate Change to the Rate
15 Commission. The Rate Commission reviews that and
16 makes a recommendation to MSD's Board of Trustees.
17 They in turn review that recommendation and we move
18 forward.
19 The Rate Proposal that MSD has put in front
20 of the Rate Commission is for rates from the period
21 July 1, 2016 to June 30, 2020.
22 First of all, I want to go over the current
23 wastewater rates. In our current cycle, which ends
24 on June 30, 2016, MSD proposed to start $971 million
25 of capital improvements during a four-year period.
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1 Right now it appears we will appropriate
2 approximately $890 million of work.
3 The work that is needed has all been
4 completed. We are under budget and not having spent
5 all of those dollars is just reflective of some of
6 the efficiencies and low prices we've been getting
7 in doing our capital program. Any of that
8 additional monies that were collected for the
9 capital program are simply rolled over into the next
10 rate cycle. They're not used for any other
11 purposes.
12 As far as operation, there was $716 million
13 worth of revenue that was included in our Rate
14 Proposal for that four-year period. Right now we're
15 projecting we will spend $700 million on operation
16 and maintenance of the wastewater system, putting us
17 -- we're projecting to be about $16 million under
18 budget.
19 During that time we inspected 62,000
20 manholes, rehabilitated 6600 manholes, inspected
21 1900 miles of sewers and based on an analysis of two
22 equivalent rains that happened in the north part of
23 our service area we're estimating that the work to
24 date has resulted in a two-thirds reduction in the
25 overflow volumes and basement backups that we see in
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1 the St. Louis area.
2 What MSD's proposed rates look like. Slide
3 7, what drives those rates, the biggest one is part
4 of Project Clear, is get the rain out. The main
5 issue MSD is dealing with is inappropriate or too
6 much stormwater getting into the sanitary sewer
7 system.
8 If it's in the separate sanitary sewer
9 system, out in the county mostly, no stormwater is
10 supposed to get in there. Stormwater getting in
11 causes the pipes to surcharge resulting in either
12 overflows or basement backups.
13 Same way in the combined system in the city
14 and the near northwest and south counties, we have
15 combined sewer systems. Although discharges are
16 still allowed, we do have to mitigate their impact
17 on the environment and reduce the amount of overflow
18 volumes. All of that we do by getting the
19 stormwater out of the system first. It's the most
20 cost-effective way to solve other issues.
21 We do have a regular schedule of repair and
22 maintenance of the existing system so they can
23 continue functioning properly and in some instances
24 we build system improvements.
25 Understand that all of these concerns have to
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1 do with wet weather. When it is not raining, unless
2 a grease has built up in a line from somebody who is
3 throwing grease down the drain or if a pipe fails,
4 except for that, during dry weather all of our
5 flows, all of our wastewater flows go to treatment
6 plants, get properly treated and discharged into the
7 environment. This is a wet weather issue when it
8 rains.
9 Another thing we consider is to maintain our
10 financial stability and be responsible financially
11 for how we do this work. We're doing that primarily
12 by setting up a program to make sure that the
13 targets for a AA bond rating are maintained.
14 Currently MSD has a AAA bond rating with S&P and a
15 AA1 and AA Plus with Fitch and Moody's. That allows
16 us to borrow monies at very favorable rates.
17 The plan we have in place here is to make
18 sure we try and maintain that level of bond rates.
19 Slide 8 is the capital program. Where we're
20 planning on starting is $1.5 billion worth of
21 capital work over the next four years. You see on
22 those years when those projects will start,
23 culminating in a total of $1.5 billion worth of
24 work.
25 We're also planning on requesting
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1 $736 million of revenue for operation and
2 maintenance of the wastewater system. It would be
3 treatment plants, pump stations and the pipes
4 themselves. And also the payment of $477 million of
5 debt service. This will be both from past bonds
6 that have been sold, as well as bonds we're
7 recommending to sell during this next four-year
8 period.
9 Slide 9, the additional use of debt, what MSD
10 is proposing. Over the next four years we're
11 proposing to fund with two mechanisms. One is
12 $415 million worth of cash. That is directly taking
13 the rates that get paid to us and applying them to
14 the program. The other is for bond financing.
15 We're borrowing money in the tune of $1.1 billion of
16 borrowing over the next four years.
17 We currently have $200 million of bond
18 authority left from the previous vote. MSD will be
19 looking to the ratepayers to decide whether or not
20 to authorize it to issue an additional $900 million
21 worth of bonds. That will bring our total debt
22 authorization to 2.62 billion.
23 Keep in mind, whenever MSD borrows money
24 through bonds all the money is used to pay for
25 capital work. It's not used to pay for any
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1 operating expenses.
2 The work that will be completed in the
3 capital program. There will be approximately 600
4 projects that will be started. 230 of those will be
5 construction projects. We anticipate removing an
6 additional 39 overflows from the separate sanitary
7 sewer system and we'll start the design of 24 miles
8 of storage conveyance tunnels. Where we can't get
9 stormwater out of the system to prevent the
10 overflow, we will put tunnels in place to capture
11 that flow so we can treat the overflows after the
12 storm event is over.
13 Slide 11 is where all the capital projects
14 are. And if you have a magnifying glass you can see
15 what those little numbers are inside the blue dots.
16 This is a map that is in our Rate Proposal. If you
17 look at the bottom right of the slide it says
18 "Appendix 7.2.2." That's referencing our Rate
19 Proposal that's on our website if you want to see
20 the details.
21 What you will find is each one of these blue
22 dots has a number. That is a project and each one
23 of those projects will have a description of the
24 problem, a description of the solution, the cost to
25 solve the problem and the year we plan on starting
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1 the project.
2 We have provided tonight on these boards --
3 this is a board that's identical to what you see in
4 the proposal. We've also brought along, which is
5 also in our rate proposal, a spreadsheet. So if
6 you're interested in what exactly a certain project
7 is on this list, after the presentation is done this
8 evening you can come up, take a look and you can see
9 the details about any of those projects.
10 What we're proposing to accomplish with
11 the -- for wastewater operation and maintenance:
12 inspection of 60,000 manholes, rehabilitation of
13 6,000 manholes, closed-circuit TV or TV inspection
14 of the sewers, 1600 miles of that, cleaning
15 3800 miles of sewers and rehabilitating 360 miles of
16 sewers.
17 What is it we will be asking the ratepayers?
18 These are the two options that we will be providing
19 for a vote probably in Calendar 2016. On the
20 left-hand side MSD, again, is going to propose the
21 ratepayers authorize $900 million more in bond
22 authorization to help pay for the capital program
23 over the next four years. That will result in us
24 doing 1.5 -- starting $1.5 billion of capital work.
25 Almost all of that work is required by the Consent
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1 Decree we signed with the Department of Justice.
2 And below that you see the average single
3 family bill. 2016, that would be June 30th, 2016,
4 the bill will go to, for the average ratepayer,
5 $40.72 per month. That's based on the last rate
6 proposal. We're proposing an increase of
7 approximately 10 percent per year resulting in 2020
8 of a monthly wastewater charge of $60.86 per
9 year for the -- per month for the average customer.
10 The voters also have the option of not
11 authorizing any additional bonding authority.
12 That's what's on the right-hand side. It says
13 "Option B." Again, if we do this there will be zero
14 bonds. Everything will be paid for by the cash, the
15 direct rates that are paid to us. We still have to
16 do the -- start the $1.5 billion worth of work as
17 mandated by our Consent Decree with the Department
18 of Justice and the EPA and you see the resulting
19 impact on the average single-family bills. Fiscal
20 2016, again, 40.72. Without bonding you're paying
21 straight cash, the rates will be higher. They will
22 go up to about $96 in Fiscal Year 2020.
23 Next I want to discuss stormwater. First of
24 all, I'm going to go over what the current
25 stormwater funding mechanism looks like. This is a
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1 map of the District. To the north is the Missouri
2 River. To the east is the Mississippi River. And
3 in that blue line, the City of St. Louis. To the
4 south, the Meramec River that wiggles in and out of
5 the District boundaries. To the west is
6 approximately Highway 109 in Wildwood. Those are
7 the limits of the District's boundaries.
8 If you live in the red area, right now you
9 pay MSD a -- the average customer pays MSD 24 cents
10 per month for stormwater. They also pay a 2 cent
11 property tax. For that amount of money we're able
12 to meet all the local, state and federal stormwater
13 requirements, regulatory requirements. We're able
14 to do data collection and tracking and, if
15 necessary, respond to emergencies, such as erosion
16 potentially causing a garage or a house to fall in
17 the creek.
18 We do not maintain the storm sewers that are
19 MSD's. We do not maintain the public storm sewers
20 in this area. There's no funding for that. We also
21 do no projects to address stormwater issues.
22 If you live in the yellow area you pay the 24
23 cent fee, 2 cent property tax, you pay an additional
24 7 cent property tax. That allows us to do all the
25 stuff that was in the red area, such as the
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1 regulatory issues and collecting data. It also
2 allows us to maintain the public storm sewer system
3 in the yellow area. However, there are insufficient
4 funds to do any kind of projects to resolve
5 stormwater issues.
6 If you live in the green area there's a 24
7 cent per month charge, 2 cent property tax, a 7 cent
8 property tax and up to another 10 cent property tax
9 that is being paid to MSD for stormwater. That
10 allows us to do all the regulatory work such as we
11 did in the red area, allows us to maintain the
12 public storm sewer system as we did in the yellow
13 area. It also provides monies to do projects to
14 address other stormwater problems such as erosion or
15 flooding.
16 What do those taxes all mean to the average
17 payer? So if you live in the red area, paying the
18 24 cent fee and the 2 cent property tax, our average
19 taxpayer is paying us $8 a year for the stormwater
20 service they receive and all they get is primarily
21 addressing regulatory issues.
22 If you live in the yellow area, paying the 24
23 cent fee, the 2 cent property tax and the 7 cent
24 property tax, the average person is paying us $26 a
25 year for stormwater. That takes care of all the
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1 regulatory issues and also allows us to maintain the
2 public storm sewer system.
3 If you live in the green area you're paying
4 the 24 cent fee, 2 cent property tax, 7 cent
5 property tax, and up to another 10 cent property
6 tax. The average customer pays us -- in that area
7 pays us $53 a year for stormwater. That allows us
8 to do all the regulatory work, allows us to maintain
9 the public storm sewer system and allows us to do
10 projects to address things such as flooding and
11 erosion.
12 Quick discussion about the issues staff is
13 proposing to address with this rate proposal. If
14 you notice, the 2 cent property tax is charged
15 throughout the District. You see the little map on
16 the upper right-hand of the presentation. That
17 ensures we have compliance with all local, state and
18 federal stormwater regulations primarily having to
19 do with water volume, such as the basins you would
20 see when somebody develops and a flood floats
21 downstream but also the quality of stormwater runoff
22 as properties are developed. It pays for our plan
23 review and permitting costs, complaint investigation
24 and, again, emergency response.
25 What does that service look like? If you
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1 look on Slide 18 up here that gray area is where the
2 yellow and green was. So what we're looking at
3 right now is just the red area with any kind of
4 graphics in it.
5 The lines, the little blue lines are creeks.
6 In that area there is approximately 1,154 miles of
7 creeks. MSD is responsible for policing those
8 creeks, determining water quality and trying to
9 prevent degradation through pollutants that come
10 from stormwater runoff into those creeks.
11 Each one of the little green dots, and
12 there's 2,638 of them, are facilities. These may be
13 large retention basins. They may be small rain
14 gardens. Something that is put in place in order to
15 hold back stormwater for either water quality or
16 water quantity issues.
17 MSD has policing responsibility for these.
18 We watch them, we police them, and we make sure once
19 they're constructed those who own those facilities
20 maintain them appropriately. That work is all
21 currently funded through the 2 cent property tax.
22 The next slide is a representation of what is
23 not currently funded. Those lines are the public
24 storm sewer system that's located in the county
25 outside of the yellow and green area we showed you
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1 previously. Represents 1,363 miles of storm sewers,
2 approximately one half of the public storm sewer
3 system that MSD is responsible for.
4 The work -- there is no operation and
5 maintenance being done in any of the system. If an
6 inlet is in bad shape MSD does not have funds to fix
7 it. If a pipe has a joint problem that's causing a
8 sinkhole in somebody's backyard we don't have the
9 ability to fix that. If the outlet is causing
10 erosion in a creek we don't have any monies to fix
11 that. The system is simply unfunded for operation
12 and maintenance.
13 And another issue I think -- what we're
14 looking at is the entire storm sewer system
15 throughout our entire service area, those folks who
16 live in this red area are currently not paying for
17 its use. Probably the most important thing the
18 public storm sewer system does is manage stormwater
19 running off streets and roads that everybody uses
20 within our service area.
21 So where are we planning on going with that?
22 MSD is proposing a District-wide 10 cent stormwater
23 tax to replace some of the taxes that are in place
24 in order to provide an equal level of service for
25 the operation and maintenance for the public storm
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1 sewer system throughout our District.
2 The result is four years of operation and
3 maintenance cost of $90.8 million and will allow us
4 to do almost $100 million worth of capital work over
5 the next six years starting this year, ending in
6 2020.
7 Again, the drivers as I explained before is
8 the necessary maintenance and operation and
9 maintenance of the public storm sewer system,
10 especially that part that's in the currently
11 unfunded area and it will initiate limited funding
12 District-wide for projects to solve stormwater
13 problems, something which we don't currently have
14 the ability to do.
15 Slide 23 is what those operating costs look
16 like. Right now MSD in 2016 is estimating
17 $16 million worth of costs to operate the public
18 storm -- operate and maintain the public storm sewer
19 system. In its current area if we were to provide
20 funding for the entire area that would double the
21 amount of system we would have to operate and
22 maintain and that results in approximately a 50
23 percent increase to about $24 million a year in
24 order to operate and maintain the entire public
25 storm sewer system.
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1 Slide 24, the stormwater projects that we are
2 proposing through 2012. I'll go down each of one of
3 these separately. Before I do, the rules on this
4 map are the same as the rules you saw in the other
5 map. There are numbers inside each one of these
6 circles. There's a spreadsheet in our Rate
7 Proposal. We also have a copy here that you can
8 look at after the presentation. It describes what
9 the project is, what problem it's solving, how much
10 it costs and when it's scheduled to be completed.
11 I'll start from the top of the slide. If
12 you're in the green area, right now there are 64
13 projects, whereabout $25 million that are planned.
14 Most of these projects will move forward without any
15 action on MSD's Rate Proposal. This is from the set
16 of taxes, that extra tax that folks pay in the green
17 area. There is a slight increase in that some of
18 those funds were previously used for the operation
19 and maintenance of the public storm sewer system.
20 Those funds all will now be released for projects.
21 In the yellow area we're proposing 47
22 projects for a cost of seventeen and a half million
23 dollars over those next four years. The yellow area
24 received no funding for projects in the past. What
25 happens is if we do have a positive vote for the 10
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1 cent District-wide property tax it addresses an
2 accounting issue we have with the various areas
3 where we collect taxes and what they can be spent
4 on. That allows us to then do approximately
5 seventeen and a half million dollars worth of work.
6 Half of that -- about half of that is in the City of
7 St. Louis. The other half is in near northwest and
8 South County as shown on the map.
9 And if you live in the red area there are 59
10 projects identified for a total cost of
11 approximately $7.5 million. Again, no projects have
12 been done there in the past. That money comes from
13 the portion of the 10 cent tax that is not
14 immediately required for operation and maintenance
15 of the public storm sewer system.
16 If there's any gap left in a given year
17 between the 10 cents we want to collect and the
18 amount we want to spend, that will go towards
19 capital work throughout the District until inflation
20 finally leads to there not being any funds available
21 for capital out of that 10 cent tax.
22 So a quick review as to what happens to all
23 of those taxes we talked -- and charges we talked
24 about earlier. You're on Slide 25. If you look at
25 the top in that green area, the OMCI subdistricts,
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1 there's a 5 cent to 10 cent charge depending on
2 which one of the 21 areas you're in, in that green
3 area. MSD will set those taxes at zero. We will
4 stop collecting them.
5 Stormwater O & M tax, the 7 cent property
6 tax, this is the tax that's being collected right
7 now in the green and yellow area. It's used
8 primarily for the operation and maintenance of storm
9 sewers in those areas. That tax will be replaced by
10 the proposed 10 cent tax.
11 There's also a 2 cent property tax that's
12 paid District-wide that we use for regulatory
13 issues. Right now the revenues that MSD collects
14 from that tax are sufficient to meet almost exactly
15 our current regulatory requirements District-wide
16 for stormwater. MSD is not proposing any change to
17 that 2 cent tax.
18 And then, finally, on the fourth line, is the
19 10 cent District-wide property tax that MSD will be
20 proposing. Also, the per month charge on the
21 wastewater bill of 24 cents or in the case of
22 multifamily units, 18 cents per month, that also
23 will be replaced by the 10 cent property tax.
24 What will be the impact? Various
25 ratepayers -- you're on Slide 26, we'll start first
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1 with the green area. If the 10 cent property tax is
2 approved folks in that green area currently, based
3 on an average value of $184,500 per home, are paying
4 about $62 per year on their annual property tax
5 bill. That property tax bill will go down about $20
6 a month to about $42 -- will go down, I'm sorry, $20
7 per year resulting in an average annual property tax
8 bill of approximately $42 per year or a change in
9 your total property tax bill of approximately a
10 decrease of one half of 1 percent.
11 If you live in the yellow area, the average
12 property value in the yellow area is $70,800. Based
13 on that, the average person is paying $12.50 per
14 year on their property tax bill to MSD for
15 stormwater. The proposal will increase that by
16 $3.60 per year resulting in an average annual cost
17 in their property tax bill of $16.10.
18 We compare it to the overall property tax
19 bill that the average property owner pays, that will
20 be an increase of three-tenths of 1 percent. So for
21 every thousand dollars that you pay on your property
22 tax bill there will be an increase of $3.
23 And, finally, in the red area, if you recall,
24 very little being paid there right now and that's
25 very little services. This is where there's the
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1 biggest impact. Right now based on the 2 cent
2 property tax the average property value in this area
3 is $266,700. The average person is paying us $10.50
4 per year for stormwater services if you live in this
5 red area.
6 The proposed tax would increase that to the
7 average person about $50 per year resulting in an
8 average annual property tax charge to MSD of $60 per
9 year. That will be a total change in the overall
10 property tax bill of the average customer of
11 1.2 percent increase in their property tax bill.
12 What we've done on the next slide is kind of
13 roll together the impact of what we've proposed. If
14 you take a look at the left-hand column, first I'll
15 go over that. This is assuming the ratepayers
16 decide to allow MSD an additional $900 million of
17 bonding authority.
18 Fiscal 16, which will be somewhere around
19 June 2016, based on the current rate structure the
20 average person is paying MSD $522 per year for all
21 the services that MSD is providing.
22 The average increase would be 10 percent per
23 year, so by 2020 the average ratepayer, the average
24 taxpayer would be paying MSD $770 per year for all
25 the services that MSD provides.
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1 Right-hand column is assuming that the voters
2 decide not to authorize additional bonding capacity
3 for MSD. Again, current annual cost for the average
4 person is $522 per year. That will go up much more
5 and end up resulting in a cost of just under $1200
6 per year for all the services that MSD provides and
7 that cost is an annual cost.
8 Slide 31 is the impact on low-income
9 customers. MSD does have a low income program for
10 those who qualify. It results in a charge of
11 approximately one half of the cost everyone else
12 pays. If you take a look at this chart, same rules,
13 left-hand column is assuming $900 million of
14 additional bonding authority. Right-hand column is
15 assuming no approval for additional bonding
16 authority.
17 You will find that those numbers are about
18 one half of the chart that you saw in the previous.
19 That accounts for the District's low income program.
20 Slide 32, what does the process look like?
21 Again, MSD submitted its Rate Proposal -- MSD staff
22 submitted its proposal to the Rate Commission on
23 February 26th, 2015. There will be a final
24 wastewater increase on July 1, 2015 to bring us to
25 that final amount that I showed previously for
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1 Fiscal 16 that was approved at a previous Rate
2 Commission hearing.
3 The Rate Commission recommendations are going
4 to be due to our board on August 10th, 2015. MSD's
5 board will review the recommendations of the Rate
6 Commission between August and December 2015. That
7 will result in two votes in Calendar 2016.
8 On the wastewater side the residents and our
9 ratepayers will be asked whether or not to authorize
10 MSD an additional $900 million in bonding authority.
11 If the answer is yes, you have the lower rates that
12 I showed previously with bonds that top out about
13 $60 per month for the average person.
14 If you say no, the rates will top out at
15 about $96 per month in 2020 for the average payer.
16 It's the same kind of question you have to address
17 when you're buying a house or when you're buying a
18 car. If you pay cash now -- if you decide to borrow
19 money, authorize bonds, rates are lower now but for
20 every dollar you borrow you will have to pay $3 back
21 sometime in the future.
22 If you decide not to have MSD borrow money,
23 the rates go higher now but later on in the future
24 when the program peaks at around 2023 and starts
25 going down there's more opportunity to decrease
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1 rates in the future because you don't have the
2 interest payments that you have to make on the bond.
3 That is a question we'll be putting towards
4 the voters. It's up to them as to which way they
5 decide to vote.
6 The second vote will have to do with
7 stormwater. It will be fairly simple. We will ask
8 folks whether or not they want to approve a
9 District-wide 10 cent stormwater tax. If the answer
10 is yes, we will have that new program that you saw
11 near the end of the presentation, doing the projects
12 and we would provide operation and maintenance for
13 the entire public storm sewer system.
14 If the answer is no, MSD will continue the
15 despair of service level and the despair of revenues
16 it collects right now in that red, yellow, green map
17 that you saw previously. We will simply maintain
18 that system until another attempt is possibly made
19 to try and address issues in a different way.
20 If you have any comments for the Rate
21 Commission you can make them this evening. If you'd
22 like, you can email them to the email address that's
23 shown on the screen. You can mail them to our
24 office as well, to Annette Slack. She's secretary
25 to the Rate Commission. All comments MSD receives
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1 with regard to the Rate Proposal will be forwarded
2 to the Rate Commission for their consideration.
3 There are two separate sheets that were
4 handed out earlier, just want to point out what
5 those are. There's one that says "Rate Commission
6 Process." It's kind of a summation on the rate side
7 of what's going on. If you look down in the middle
8 there's all the different meetings that we're
9 attending and that blue bar on the left-hand -- on
10 the right-hand side is all the Rate Commission
11 organizations and their representatives. This is
12 the rate process.
13 The second document, something entitled "2015
14 MSD Rate Proposal." One side is wastewater. It's a
15 summation of what those rates potentially look like
16 depending on the results of the vote by the people.
17 And the backside is stormwater. You will see that
18 red, yellow, green map and it will go over all the
19 options as to whether or not the voters approve an
20 additional 10 cent tax for MSD to provide
21 District-wide operation and maintenance of its
22 public storm sewer system.
23 So we're at the point of the presentation for
24 public comment. The Rate Commission would like to
25 open the floor to any public comments. We do have a
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1 court reporter here, if you could again announce --
2 indicate your name and your address and your
3 comments will be recorded. Thank you.
4 MS. KELLING: I do not have the
5 clipboard.
6 Jeannie Hilton?
7 MS. HILTON: I choose not to comment at
8 this time.
9 MS. KELLING: Charles Allison?
10 MR. ALLISON: My only question is if it
11 doesn't pass for Year 2018, that 65 percent, why
12 can't that be spread out more within that time
13 frame?
14 MR. HOELSCHER: Would you like us to
15 respond?
16 MS. KELLING: Yeah, would you like to?
17 MR. HOELSCHER: I believe you're
18 responding to the wastewater rates, correct?
19 MR. ALLISON: You are correct.
20 MR. HOELSCHER: Yeah, the capital
21 program that MSD is doing, its work, again, to
22 resolve overflows. MSD has been working on those
23 types of issues since it was created in 1954. The
24 lawsuit with the federal government essentially set
25 a schedule for how quickly this has to be done. It
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1 is the kind of strategy the Department of Justice
2 and EPA is using with all the cities located
3 throughout the country who have overflow issues. So
4 the ability to spread this out further is part of
5 the negotiations with the Consent Decree.
6 We did get the ability to do this work over a
7 total of 23 years. At the time we signed the
8 Consent Decree it was the longest Consent Decree
9 that was agreed to in the country.
10 So the cost and the ability to make movement
11 is pretty well restricted by the conditions of the
12 23-year Consent Decree. It's not just getting
13 everything done in 23 years, there are intermediate
14 milestones and the need to get that work done is
15 what's reflected in the rates.
16 MR. ALLISON: Well, you're saying that,
17 and I understand what you're saying, but you're not
18 answering my question. My question was: Why is
19 that 65 percent not spread out more throughout that
20 time frame?
21 MR. HOELSCHER: Go to that chart would
22 you, just back up, keep going, keep going, get to
23 the wastewater side. There you go, back one.
24 Okay. Those increases -- those increases
25 occur because of the capital work we have to start
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1 in Fiscal Year 18. Because we're not borrowing
2 money and you're not depressing the rates, the
3 monies we have to do the work are based solely on
4 the fees we receive, the charges we receive. So
5 $73.80 of fees in Fiscal Year 18 is what we need to
6 charge the customers in order to pay for the work we
7 have to start in Fiscal Year 2018 and that would be
8 the same for Fiscal Year 19, Fiscal Year 20.
9 MS. KELLING: Paul Caster?
10 MR. CASTER: Yeah, Lori, I'm going to
11 need more than 10 minutes. If I could borrow this
12 young lady's 10 minutes that will give me plenty or,
13 if you want, I can stay when everybody leaves. I'll
14 go last. You're not going to turn the lights out,
15 are you?
16 MS. KELLING: Commissioners? Yes,
17 that's fine.
18 MR. CASTER: You want me to go last?
19 MS. KELLING: No, go ahead and -- you
20 can go now.
21 MR. CASTER: Okay. A lot of numbers,
22 I'm not sure I really understand it. I'm here for
23 two reasons. One, I'm representing my homeowners
24 association, that's the Governor Court -- Governor
25 Drive's Homeowners Association here in Ballwin,
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1 which is about one mile east of here. That's --
2 that's number one. So I have to come away from this
3 meeting and go back to the members of our
4 association to let them know what has transpired and
5 give them an indication of how they can vote on the
6 proposal that you're making.
7 The second part of it is to understand
8 exactly what was presented today or this evening. A
9 lot of questions. First of all, as I understand
10 your proposal, there are no projects for stormwater
11 runoff west of 270, would that be correct?
12 MR. HOELSCHER: Under the current
13 funding there are no funds collected for any
14 projects.
15 MR. CASTER: Well, thank you. That's a
16 starting point, sir. Since 2007 our homeowners
17 association has desperately tried to get MSD to
18 respond to stormwater runoff. We have written to
19 you, sir, a couple times and you haven't responded.
20 I'm not here to embarrass you, I'm just giving you
21 facts.
22 The facts are that we have a health/safety
23 issue here with a creek running through our
24 subdivision called Fishpot Creek. It's about a
25 hundred yards of stormwater comes out of MSD's
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1 6-inch diameter tunnel, if you will, into a creek
2 and through a culvert that is maintained by the City
3 of Ballwin.
4 A long story short is we are in desperate
5 need, we have an emergency situation because of the
6 erosion of the banks because of the sediment that's
7 in that creek, the mosquitoes, and, in fact, for the
8 children that are running through that particular
9 area. There's a real health/safety issue here.
10 I think I can best sum it up if I read a
11 letter from the City of Ballwin to you. I will just
12 read part of that to give you an idea of what we are
13 faced with and why I'm here not only to address the
14 increase here but to address our immediate need for
15 emergency assistance from MSD.
16 By the way, we have two advocates that are
17 working with us. One is the City of Ballwin, Tim
18 Pogue is the mayor. He is assisting us in this
19 process. The other one is the Missouri Coalition
20 for the Environment. I have a report to read in
21 part to you this evening.
22 The letter here is dated May the 7th, 2014.
23 It's from Gary Kramer, who's a city engineer,
24 Ballwin Public Works.
25 "Dear, Mr. Hoelscher, we met on May 6th with
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1 the residents in Governor Court regarding the
2 adjacent -- the adjacent creek condition. Their
3 concerns pertain to creek bank erosion and
4 stormwater sewer pipe that discharges into the
5 creek." The next sentence is pretty important.
6 "The creek has severely eroded and the pipes
7 suspended above the creek bed. In addition,
8 discharge from this pipe has created a deep stagnant
9 pool of water great for mosquito breeding."
10 Now, let me read the second more recent
11 report that we have from the Missouri Coalition for
12 the Environment, which is more alarming. I'm going
13 to skip down to the third paragraph in the interest
14 of saving time.
15 "In researching" -- again, this is a letter
16 from the Missouri Coalition for the Environment
17 dated April the 16th, 2015 and is addressed to me
18 after a visit with these folks.
19 Third paragraph, "In researching Fishpot
20 Creek I learned that it is listed on Missouri's
21 impaired waters list for bacteria contaminants,
22 specifically E. coli." That is serious to the
23 extent that we have children wandering in and out.
24 And, also, when it's low enough they're down in
25 there playing in the creek. Okay. I hope that
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1 impacts you.
2 The Missouri Department of Natural Resources
3 Total Maximum Daily Load Implementation Plan for
4 addressing the impairment and they gave a website.
5 I have copies of these for you, sir, if you want
6 them. I can leave them when I leave.
7 MR. HOELSCHER: Sure.
8 MR. CASTER: All of this is interrelated
9 to what you're proposing here, in our opinion,
10 meaning increase, more burden on us.
11 We are attempting to get some emergency
12 relief for various reasons. I also have some photos
13 for you to show you the sediment and the conditions
14 of your drainage pipe and what Fishpot Creek really
15 is all about.
16 The problem is that the bonds that you are
17 raising or propose to raise here I would consider
18 and I'll ask you: Are they restrictive bonds, sir,
19 for specific projects?
20 MR. HOELSCHER: I'm writing everything
21 down. You want me to answer that one?
22 MR. CASTER: Specific capital projects.
23 Yes.
24 MR. HOELSCHER: Right now we have a
25 predicted project list for those projects that are
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1 listed for those four years on this map as to what
2 those bonds would go towards.
3 MR. CASTER: Okay. So they are
4 restricted for projects?
5 MR. HOELSCHER: They're not restricted
6 in that sometimes projects don't have to be done and
7 we're willing to save the money on those. Sometimes
8 new projects that we have to do can come up in the
9 four years or sometimes it's possible that some
10 projects get ready ahead of time and budgets in the
11 future might be brought up. All for the same
12 purpose, so I don't want to leave you with the idea
13 that there's an exact list of these costs can only
14 be spent on those projects.
15 MR. CASTER: So they can be used for
16 general funds?
17 MR. HOELSCHER: No, sir. Capital
18 program only and if they're unused in that four-year
19 period the monies are left in the capital fund and
20 are a starting point for the capital program in the
21 next four years. They cannot be used --
22 MR. CASTER: I'm sorry, again, if
23 they're not used what happens?
24 MR. HOELSCHER: If they're not used
25 they're left in that capital fund and when we would
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1 come back here four years later, as we did this
2 year, any unused funds stay in the capital fund.
3 They are a starting point and they immediately lower
4 the need of revenues because they're available for
5 capital projects in the future.
6 MR. CASTER: But according to your
7 financial statements you have raised about 1.5
8 billon to date?
9 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, it's about
10 1.5 billion, yes, sir.
11 MR. CASTER: Okay. And of that amount
12 you spent approximately 1 billion plus?
13 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes. Yes, I think
14 that's correct.
15 MR. CASTER: So you still have, if you
16 only spent a half a billion, 500 million, you still
17 have a billion?
18 MR. HOELSCHER: No, we spent somewhere
19 in the neighborhood of just over a billion dollars
20 of bonding I believe to date. Any unused bonding is
21 already assigned to work that will be done starting
22 through Calendar Year 2017. There's already
23 projects identified to spend the remaining bonding.
24 MR. CASTER: Your financial statements
25 indicate you are investing approximately
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1 $390 million.
2 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, any cash we have on
3 hand to cover things such as bond ratio, operating
4 reserves, those are left on hand and instead of just
5 letting them sit, we invest those funds to get a
6 return and those monies are also available for use
7 in the future.
8 MR. CASTER: But your financial
9 statements indicate that return on those investments
10 are less than the debt service.
11 MR. HOELSCHER: I would not be
12 surprised. Yes.
13 MR. CASTER: Well, that makes me
14 question how are you investing the excess funds.
15 Why would you be losing money on funds that you
16 aren't really funding the projects, the capital
17 projects? In other words, you got $390 million of
18 bond funding, which voters approved, sitting in an
19 investment fund, I presume equities.
20 MR. HOELSCHER: That's not exactly --
21 that is not true. We have additional bonding
22 authority. We have not sold all the bonds that we
23 have been authorized to sell. There are bonds we
24 have sold and within a given fiscal year there are
25 projects planned to spend the bond proceeds that we
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1 collect on an annual basis.
2 MR. CASTER: I don't mean to be
3 argumentative with you but maybe my
4 misunderstanding --
5 MR. HOELSCHER: I think -- we can have
6 after this meeting -- is Tim here -- we can take a
7 look, we can show you where that is on those.
8 MR. CASTER: Well, I'm just reading from
9 you financial statement here.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: Okay.
11 MR. CASTER: And it reads outstanding
12 revenue bonds and estimated debt service. This
13 matrix here, we have the original amount of the
14 issuance of bonds. And, by the way, some of these
15 bonds go back to 2004.
16 MR. HOELSCHER: They're usually 20- to
17 30-year bonds.
18 MR. CASTER: Some of them we haven't
19 made any payments at all. For example, Series 2006,
20 60,000 issuance in the year November 2006. Balance
21 on that outstanding is 60,000 and that's repetitive
22 of the number series of the bonds.
23 MR. HOELSCHER: I think we need to have
24 somebody -- it is not reflective of us saving the
25 money. Any bonds we purchase we spend the money. I
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1 think I am probably the wrong person to go through
2 the details of that to show you in the financials
3 exactly how that lays out.
4 MR. CASTER: Okay, Mr. Hoelscher.
5 MR. HOELSCHER: MSD is not selling bonds
6 and then investing them to gain money. We are
7 purchasing bonds to build capital projects.
8 MR. CASTER: The interest payable here
9 on the bonds outstanding, according to your records,
10 are $47 million.
11 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, sir.
12 MR. CASTER: That's astonishing, to me
13 anyhow. And now we're going to raise another, what,
14 one billion?
15 MR. HOELSCHER: Well, we have
16 $4.7 billion worth of work that needs to be
17 completed according to the agreement with the
18 federal government.
19 MR. CASTER: I'm sorry, how much?
20 MR. HOELSCHER: $4.7 billion in 2010
21 dollars of work that needs to be completed in 23
22 years.
23 MR. CASTER: Okay.
24 MR. HOELSCHER: And we're working our
25 way through that project list according to the
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1 schedule that's provide in the Consent Decree.
2 MR. CASTER: For the money we have voted
3 in to raise again there's still $390 million on the
4 balance sheet that you are investing. The question
5 begs itself, why hasn't that money been spent before
6 we go into debt again for a billion dollars?
7 MR. HOELSCHER: And I think I need the
8 appropriate person to answer that question. There
9 is not 390 million sitting for investments. There
10 are general fund monies we're holding for reserves
11 and operating balances.
12 MR. CASTER: Let me just make another
13 comment or two. The per capita debt earned. Have
14 we notified the community citizens here, I presume
15 from Ballwin and Manchester and others throughout
16 the county? The current debt burden is per capita,
17 per individual. I don't know where you live but
18 it's $1,400 per person relative to raising this
19 debt. We add another billion dollars, sir, that's
20 going to increase 54 percent. So the per capita
21 debt burden is going to rise to $2,158 per person if
22 we approve this, if the voters approve the
23 $1 billion.
24 And, on that note, I think it's probably
25 somewhat academic whether we approve it or not.
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1 From what I read in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, I
2 will let you respond to this comment and, quote --
3 and they quote you as follows: "Some of the region's
4 largest stormwater producers, hospitals,
5 universities and government buildings, will be
6 paying nothing toward the system," you are quoted.
7 MR. HOELSCHER: What year is that, sir?
8 MR. CASTER: That's this year, probably
9 three weeks ago.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: We'd like to have a copy
11 of that, if we could, to respond to it.
12 MR. CASTER: All right. And the other
13 comment supposedly you make is Mr. Hoelscher is
14 quoted as stating that staff thought the proposed
15 change was the best way to guarantee revenue paid
16 for the work throughout its boundaries and so we
17 question whether or not these nonprofits should get
18 a free ride.
19 MR. HOELSCHER: And I think what you're
20 quoting there is under -- I'm not sure what year
21 that is. It sounds like information about four
22 years ago under a property tax method for stormwater
23 that we currently have in place, you're correct,
24 non-for-profits do not pay into that cost right now.
25 That's for stormwater though, not wastewater.
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1 MR. CASTER: Right. Again, looking at
2 your financial statement, sir, pertaining to
3 wastewater financial statements, this is
4 June 2011/2012, pages 42 through 51. MSD employee
5 pension, retirement, health and related plan
6 benefits. Employees do not contribute to the
7 pension plan. Annual pension cost contributions
8 exceed $10 million annual. Would that be correct?
9 MR. HOELSCHER: I believe that's
10 correct, yes.
11 MR. CASTER: It is. The actuarial
12 accrued liability for benefits was approximately
13 $254 million plus, almost $255 million accrued. The
14 annual required contribution for post-employment
15 benefits, other than pensions, is over $2 million.
16 Do you disclose this also in the proposed
17 increase?
18 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, we do.
19 MR. CASTER: In the voting?
20 MR. HOELSCHER: It is in the Rate
21 Proposal showing what our plan contributions are for
22 those next four years, yes.
23 MR. CASTER: Okay. I'm going to end
24 again, Mr. Hoelscher, asking as I began: Will you
25 assist Governor Court Homeowners Association in some
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1 fashion to take a look because we do have -- you're
2 under the Consent Decree, as I understand it, to
3 abide by the CWA, the Clean Water Act, right?
4 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes.
5 MR. CASTER: We have a serious situation
6 here, so I'm going to ask, please, to respond to
7 that and I will be more than happy to stay after the
8 meeting to share some of this.
9 MR. HOELSCHER: Let me just give you two
10 things -- three things. One, all the questions you
11 asked, again, I may not be the exact person. We
12 have a court reporter. We'll make sure we get back
13 to you and give it to the Rate Commission the exact
14 answers and the correct answers in detail to all the
15 questions you asked.
16 With regard to your issues, I think one you
17 had mentioned, E. coli, the wastewater proposal will
18 in some degree address that. Some of the overflows
19 from the sanitary system are the cause of some E.
20 coli. Some E. coli is caused by other causes:
21 animals, pets, creeks, other things. So we're
22 addressing a part of that with the wastewater
23 issue -- with the wastewater funding.
24 On the stormwater side --
25 MR. CASTER: Excuse me. Excuse me for
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1 interrupting you. On that point --
2 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, sir?
3 MR. CASTER: -- beg the question, you're
4 addressing those, that issue?
5 MR. HOELSCHER: We are addressing the
6 overflows from our sanitary sewers that contribute
7 to the level of E. coli in the creeks and streams.
8 That's part of the wastewater funding. We need to
9 prevent those overflows --
10 MR. CASTER: Only from the sanitary
11 sewer?
12 MR. HOELSCHER: Well, I'm addressing the
13 sanitary first. It's a separate number. So that's
14 just the sanitary, just the E. coli.
15 MR. CASTER: Okay.
16 MR. HOELSCHER: On your stormwater
17 issue, I apologize if we never responded to your
18 queries, all the information you have we'll take it,
19 we'll take a look at it. I will tell you based on
20 the presentation we have right now there's
21 currently, except for in extreme, emergency
22 situations, there is currently no funding to do any
23 kind of work in the area you're speaking.
24 However, we will take a look at all the
25 information you have and we can go through a review
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1 again of all the issues that you brought up and we
2 can get back directly to you and your subdivision
3 about the results.
4 MR. CASTER: Okay. I'm sorry, I can't
5 accept that. The homeowners association can't
6 accept the fact that you said there's no funding
7 available. You have millions of dollars in cash to
8 take care of this small issue and you are telling me
9 that there's no funding for an emergency situation.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: Sir, the funding you
11 mentioned is for wastewater issues. For stormwater
12 issues there are no funding. There are two
13 separating funding sources that we can't mix. The
14 fund balances you're talking about have to do with
15 wastewater issues.
16 MR. CASTER: Disregarding the Clean
17 Water Act and the Consent Decree that you're under,
18 you have no obligation to address a stream, a creek
19 as I described it, that has contamination, E. coli,
20 is a health and safety issue, you're saying there's
21 no funding for that?
22 MR. HOELSCHER: For the E. coli, our
23 contribution from a wastewater system is being taken
24 care of through wastewater rates. As far as the
25 other issues, which would fall under stormwater
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1 funding, you are correct, there are no funds
2 specifically for stormwater. The balances you
3 mentioned are for wastewater work. They cannot be
4 crossed over and paid for stormwater issues.
5 MR. CASTER: Sir, since 2007 we started
6 this campaign with MSD. The City of Ballwin has
7 responded. Within that period of time, about seven
8 and a half years, in our area of the creek we have
9 lost about 10 feet of bank erosion.
10 MR. HOELSCHER: Yeah, that is a problem.
11 If you saw the presentation, a lot of the red area,
12 we understand it's a huge issue, there isn't funding
13 right now for us to go through and sequentially
14 resolve those issues but if you give me the
15 information you have I will guarantee we will review
16 it again. We will see if there -- if it does fall
17 under what is an "emergency" and if we can't use
18 some funds to take care of that issue.
19 I can offer that we will review the issue
20 again. I will get back to you. We will get back to
21 Mr. Kramer who knows us very well, is in constant
22 communication with us and I guarantee we will
23 respond back and do a review one more time.
24 MR. CASTER: All right. Thank you.
25 MR. HOELSCHER: Thank you.
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1 MS. KELLING: Lea Ann Ravens?
2 MS. RAVENS: I just have a lot of
3 questions. My biggest thing is, is I understand all
4 of these numbers and what you're doing and -- but
5 you know what, most of us, unless I look at your
6 financials and figure out how many people you got
7 working for you, it just -- I mean, there's a whole
8 lot more to this. So for the average person to
9 figure out what you guys are talking about, this is
10 a zoo.
11 You can't -- what we want to know, Ballwin
12 has become a big area. This whole West County has
13 boomed and I understand that MSD didn't keep up. I
14 got that. But we do have a lot of issues with water
15 but people feel like that when they pay these bills
16 you got to be up front with them about what they're
17 really paying for and what's being done.
18 You know, I know that in people's brains they
19 go, well, those people got money. Well, you know,
20 that's why we live out here is because we do have
21 sufficient income but we have a lot of
22 under-poverty-level people also who are really
23 concerned about this.
24 I think there's some other issues going on
25 too with pipes that haven't been replaced for a long
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1 time. Some of our houses are 60 years old. They
2 have not been looked at. They have not been
3 replaced. Things haven't been done. And I know
4 that's all hard to do but I think that the general
5 consensus is that people just don't feel like
6 they're doing their job. You know what, I think
7 more people need to understand where that money is
8 going.
9 I'm hoping that -- some of the work that I've
10 seen MSD do is a little shoddy and I think we -- I
11 think people need to get behind you guys. You guys
12 need to make sure that people understand that you're
13 doing what you're supposed to do and you are doing
14 it at the best rate you can do it and that's not
15 coming across to anybody.
16 Also, what is -- what's your rate? I know
17 that when we go to close houses I would say half the
18 time the bill that holds up the whole deal to close
19 is the sewer bill. So are you guys having a really
20 hard time collecting on these bills on a majority or
21 is it just a small percentage that doesn't get paid?
22 What I'm really worried about too is our
23 lower income families, you know, if it's even going
24 to make it harder. I mean, I don't know if there's
25 a way to make that up because everybody is, you
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1 know, "I don't want to pay somebody else's bill,"
2 but we need to figure that in too because I know as
3 you go towards the city you get even more people who
4 are in poverty level and their bills aren't getting
5 paid.
6 So I think that's something we need to work
7 with as a group. I know that you are a private
8 entity but yet you are a public service. We don't
9 have a choice. If we have a sewer or we have
10 drainage, it's MSD. You can't go to somebody else
11 and get another service.
12 So I think there's a big problem with what we
13 feel like we're getting and I'm not saying it's your
14 fault and I'm not blaming anybody but I think
15 there's a lot of people who feel that they pay MSD
16 too much money for what they get. Whether that's
17 correct or not, I don't know.
18 When this came across the news this morning I
19 told my husband, "I'm going to that meeting. There
20 won't be a handful of people there." But I want to
21 understand what you're doing because my clients ask
22 me what you're doing and what their service is
23 buying. I need to understand that when I tell them
24 because I don't care if you buy a $5,000 house from
25 me or if you buy a $5 million house from me, I'm
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1 going to give you the same kind of service and I
2 don't want to be lying to them when I'm telling them
3 something. But we have a big problem out here with
4 water.
5 Now, Fishpot Creek, I've lived out here for
6 60 years. We played in that creek forever. But it
7 has gotten a lot worse over the years. I know when
8 my kids -- we only live like a couple blocks off the
9 creek probably and I'm sure they were down there a
10 whole lot more than I know but I tried to keep -- I
11 tried to tell them, "don't do that," because we've
12 been told that other things have seeped into that
13 creek that shouldn't have been there. So I'm not
14 sure how to do that but you got a lot of creek
15 around here. So maybe the communities can work
16 together if they understand what's going on.
17 You know, I understand what he's saying. I
18 mean, if that's -- you know, if there's a lot of
19 mosquitoes, they carry disease now, you know, we
20 have a lot more than we used to. But kids getting
21 sick is a big problem.
22 So -- and there may not be money for that
23 with you right now but I think it needs to be
24 addressed. Maybe Ballwin can sit down, maybe we can
25 do something but we do need to fix that kind of
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1 stuff because it does come up. When I'm showing a
2 house I want to know that I can count on MSD to take
3 care of something.
4 MS. KELLING: That concludes our
5 question period. Thank you all. The next public
6 hearings will be conducted on May 12th -- no, May
7 13th.
8 I'm sorry, do the Rate Commissioners have any
9 questions or comments? Do you all have any
10 questions or comments? I apologize.
11 MR. SCHOEDEL: Do we need to talk about
12 the one issue she mentioned about those that -- any
13 kind of increase is going to be an issue and MSD
14 does have a program. Would you share about that?
15 MR. HOELSCHER: If I went through it too
16 fast in the presentation, I guess two things, one,
17 this is a general presentation. Complete details
18 about what we're doing, what we're producing, how
19 many people are doing it, what we're spending the
20 money on, what projects are all in the rate proposal
21 itself, that is on the website. It is a fairly
22 thick document and all the details you want are in
23 there.
24 The comments primarily about low income, we
25 do have a low income program. We have flyers here
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1 or information here that we can provide. If you
2 have anybody that's low income program and they
3 qualify, they pay one half the rate. That is what
4 our low income program is. So if you do know
5 anybody, one, if you got contacts now or if you'd
6 like to take some of these flyers with you we can
7 give them to you at the end.
8 MS. KELLING: Very good.
9 MS. RAVENS: And when you guys go over
10 all this stuff, you work out all of this stuff, you
11 know that it's all the truth?
12 MS. KELLING: Absolutely.
13 MR. SCHOEDEL: This is my first time as
14 a Rate Commissioner. The amount of detail we're
15 having to review is incredible. It's a very complex
16 issue.
17 MS. RAVENS: Oh, I know.
18 MR. SCHOEDEL: And for an area like out
19 here in the red district, as it's called, there
20 hasn't been any maintenance. So what we're seeing
21 right now, here's a potential way to start providing
22 maintenance on what's needed. So we're seeing the
23 proposed format for the stormwater side starts
24 providing it. Is it going to make it all right
25 immediately? No. But it's a step in the right
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1 direction.
2 In your case it sounds like you're a real
3 estate agent and people want to know is the
4 stormwater around my house okay. So for this area,
5 for that red area, a step in the right direction.
6 But you're right, this is a very complex issue. We
7 even, as a Rate Commission, hire people to help us
8 understand the numbers better.
9 MS. RAVENS: I'm sure. It's
10 mind-blowing.
11 MR. CASTER: Could I ask the gentleman a
12 question, please, sir? The Rate Commission
13 authority over MSD, how specific is that, that you
14 can not only increase, maybe even decrease rates,
15 but also make a determination what the strategic
16 business plan should be with MSD relative to what
17 this lady was talking about and addressing
18 stormwater? In other words, can you mandate that
19 MSD must address -- let's use Fishpot Creek as an
20 example -- clean it up before the end of the year?
21 Do you have any authority to do that?
22 MS. KELLING: No.
23 MR. CASTER: I didn't think so. Thank
24 you.
25 MS. KELLING: Seeing no other comments
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1 or questions, I would like to thank you all for
2 participating in coming tonight.
3 Again, the next public hearing will be
4 conducted on May 13th at 6 p.m. at Normandy City
5 Hall, Council Chambers. May 16th, 10 a.m. at the
6 Tesson Ferry Library Branch. May 19, 6 p.m. at the
7 Carondelet Park Recreation Complex. May 20, 2015,
8 at 6 p.m. at the Center of Clayton. May 26, 2015 at
9 6:30 at the International Institute of St. Louis.
10 May 27, 2015 at 6 p.m. at the Wildwood City Hall.
11 Or June 19 -- or I'm sorry -- June 9, 2015 at 9 a.m.
12 at the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer District
13 Administrative Office. The public hearing is now
14 adjourned. Thank you.
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1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
2 I, Suzanne Zes, within and for the State
3 of Missouri, do hereby certify that the witness
4 whose testimony appears in the foregoing deposition
5 was duly sworn by me; the testimony of said witness
6 was taken by me to the best of my ability and
7 thereafter reduced to typewriting under my
8 direction; that I am neither counsel for, related
9 to, nor employed by any of the parties to the action
10 in which this deposition was taken, and further that
11 I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or
12 counsel employed by the parties thereto, nor
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