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8 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT
9 PUBLIC HEARING
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4 Presentation by Mr. Hoelscher 9
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1 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS
2 SEWER DISTRICT, produced and examined on May 13,
3 2015, between the hours of 6:10 in the evening and
4 6:49 in the evening of that day, at the Normandy
5 City Hall, 7700 Natural Bridge Road, St. Louis,
6 Missouri, before Suzanne M. Zes, a Certified Court
7 Reporter of the State of Missouri.
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2 For the MSD Rate Commission:
3 Mark Schoedel
Lutheran Senior Services
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George Tomazi
5 The Engineers' Club of St. Louis
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 MR. SCHOEDEL: Good evening, my name is
3 Mark Schoedel, a member of the Metropolitan St.
4 Louis Sewer District and I will be presiding over
5 the Public Hearing this evening.
6 With me to my right is a fellow MSD Rate
7 Commission member, Mr. George Tomazi.
8 The Charter Plan of the District was amended
9 at a general election on November 7th, 2000, and
10 established the Rate Commission to review and make
11 recommendations to the District regarding changes in
12 wastewater rates, stormwater rates and tax rates
13 proposed by the District.
14 The Charter Plan requires the MSD Board of
15 Trustees to select organizations to ensure a fair
16 representation of all users of the District's
17 services on the Rate Commission. The Rate
18 Commission representative organizations are to
19 represent commercial-industrial users, residential
20 users and other organizations interested in the
21 operation of the District, including organizations
22 focusing on environmental issues, labor issues,
23 socio-economic issues, community-neighborhood
24 organizations and other non-profit organizations.
25 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15
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1 members from organizations and institutions
2 throughout St. Louis City and County.
3 On February 26, 2015, the Rate Commission
4 received a Rate Change Notice proposing changes to
5 the District's wastewater rates and stormwater
6 revenues. The Rate Commission adopted Operational
7 Rules and a Procedural Schedule to govern the
8 proceedings on March 4, 2015.
9 Under the current Procedural Schedule adopted
10 by the Rate Commission, the MSD Rate Commission has
11 until June 26, 2015 to review and make a
12 recommendation to the MSD Board of Trustees as to
13 whether the proposed rates should be approved, not
14 approved, or modified with suggested changes and
15 then approved. The Commission has, however,
16 requested an extension from the MSD Board of
17 Trustees until August 10, 2015, which has not yet
18 been acted upon.
19 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged legal
20 counsel and a rate consultant independent of those
21 used by the MSD staff.
22 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate
23 Commission, as amended, any person affected by the
24 Rate Change Proposal had an opportunity to submit an
25 application to intervene in these proceedings.
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1 Applications to intervene have been filed by the
2 Home Builders Association of St. Louis and Missouri
3 Industrial Energy Consumers. These applications
4 have been granted.
5 Since February 26, 2015, the MSD Rate
6 Commission has received testimony from MSD staff.
7 The parties have also engaged in discovery requests.
8 Additional testimony from the Intervenors and the
9 Rate Consultant will be filed.
10 A Prehearing Conference for the purpose of
11 identifying any issues raised by the Rate Setting
12 Documents and the prepared testimony previously
13 submitted will be conducted on the record. All
14 persons submitting testimony may participate in the
15 Prehearing Conference and each participant in the
16 Prehearing Conference shall submit a Prehearing
17 Conference Report describing the issues raised by
18 the Rate Setting Documents and the prepared
19 testimony, together with a brief description of such
20 participant's position, if any, on each issue and
21 the rationale therefore.
22 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are
23 permitted to participate in these on-the-record
24 public hearings conducted in nine sessions beginning
25 on May 11, 2015, and concluding on June 9, 2015.
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1 The Rate Commission published a Public Notice
2 regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis
3 Post-Dispatch and in the St. Louis American. These
4 Notices contained the time, dates, and location of
5 each of the conferences and hearings.
6 The Public Hearing session tonight is for the
7 purpose of permitting the District to present its
8 Wastewater and Stormwater Rate Change Proposal and
9 to permit any ratepayer an opportunity to comment.
10 We will begin with a presentation by the District
11 followed by a public comment period. Those wishing
12 to speak should sign in on the sheet provided and
13 will be called on in the order of the names listed
14 thereon. Each ratepayer should identify themselves
15 and any organizations represented by such ratepayer.
16 Several housekeeping rules before we begin
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18 If you wish to present testimony please sign
19 in on the clipboard which is located at the table
20 here next by the entry door. Speakers will be
21 recognized in the order in which they sign up.
22 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of ten
23 minutes to speak regarding the proposed rate change.
24 As the presiding officer, I can limit or expand the
25 time, should I deem it necessary.
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1 Restrooms, if needed, are located down the
2 hallway here to my left, to your right.
3 Are there any questions regarding the
4 procedure this evening? Is the District ready to
5 proceed? If so, please step forward.
6 MR. HOELSCHER: Thank you. My name is
7 Brian Hoelscher. I am the executive director of the
8 St. Louis Metropolitan Sewer District. What we're
9 going to show you tonight is a proposal that was
10 submitted to the District's Rate Commission. This
11 will be an overview of that Rate Proposal. The
12 actual Rate Proposal, itself, is located both on our
13 website and we do have some copies out here today if
14 you wish to look at them. Again, this is just an
15 overview.
16 As was stated before, at the end of my
17 presentation the Rate Commission will open up the
18 floor for any comments that those in attendance
19 have. After the entire proceedings are over and the
20 Rate Commission closes the meeting, we do have
21 District staff here if you have questions or
22 comments for MSD regarding something other than the
23 Rate Commission process.
24 As an introduction to what I'm going to be
25 presenting there are two things driving the
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1 proposal. First, we will discuss a change in
2 wastewater rates. The work being done is being
3 driven by a Consent Decree or a court-approved
4 document that resulted from MSD being sued by the
5 Department of Justice and the EPA. That's what
6 drives the wastewater rates and the projects to have
7 to be done.
8 On the stormwater side you will see that MSD
9 is looking to address an issue specific to our area.
10 Half of our public storm sewer system has a revenue
11 source that allows operation and maintenance. The
12 other half does not. We are looking to correct that
13 situation with a District-wide property tax to
14 provide proper funding.
15 First, MSD is two utilities, two separate
16 sources of revenues and provides two services.
17 First, we're a wastewater utility. We collect
18 wastewater from sinks, toilets, floor drains,
19 showers, washing machines that travels through
20 pipes, goes to our treatment plants, we treat that
21 in accordance with our state and federal permits and
22 then we discharge those flows to either the
23 Missouri, Mississippi, or Meramec River.
24 The cost for those services are on your
25 monthly wastewater bill that you receive from MSD.
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1 Those are the revenues that go to that type of work,
2 that service.
3 Second, MSD is also a stormwater utility.
4 Any water that hits the ground that doesn't drain
5 directly to a creek or stream or doesn't soak in the
6 ground can be captured by our inlets, manholes,
7 storm sewers and concrete channels. We will then
8 convey that stormwater to another local creek or
9 stream for eventually discharge to the Mississippi
10 River.
11 We are also required to address the
12 pollutants that are in stormwater runoff and that
13 impact the water quality of the local creeks and
14 streams in the area. Stormwater is funded by a
15 small, flat fee that's in your monthly wastewater
16 bill but mostly stormwater is funded by a property
17 tax that is on your annual property tax bill. Those
18 are the revenues that primarily fund our stormwater
19 service.
20 Some things with the Rate Commission. You've
21 heard some of this. It was established in 2000 to
22 provide input on how MSD sets its rates. There are
23 15 organizations across a broad -- across the MSD
24 boundaries that serve on that Commission. Each one
25 of those organizations elect a representative to
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1 represent them at those proceedings.
2 We will all propose changes under the Charter
3 to find parameters. They will take the rate -- the
4 proposal submitted by MSD staff. They will look at
5 it, recommend as it is or recommend changes. Those
6 recommendations will go to our Board of Trustees who
7 will go through the same process of reviewing the
8 Rate Commission's recommendations and then issue a
9 final ruling on how we should proceed.
10 The proposal you're looking at is for the
11 rates necessary between July 1, 2016 and June 30th,
12 2020. That's the period of the Rate Proposal.
13 First, I want to talk about wastewater, talk
14 about the current rates that are currently in place
15 under the funding that's previously approved for the
16 period of 2013 through 2016. MSD identified
17 $971 million worth of capital work that needed to be
18 started within that four-year period. MSD is
19 anticipating that it will appropriate $890 million
20 of that work.
21 All the work that needed to get done was done
22 and we are also within budget. So coming under
23 budget left some extra dollars available, a lot of
24 it having to do with many of the good prices we got
25 on the construction work we did.
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1 Any remaining monies not spent by MSD on
2 capital improvement work during this four-year
3 period are then available to pay for capital work in
4 the next four-year period and will result in a
5 slight decrease in the rates needed in order to do
6 that work.
7 On operation and maintenance, story is the
8 same. We're on time and under budget. We
9 anticipated -- we requested revenues of $716 million
10 during this current four-year period. We're
11 anticipating we'll spend a total of $700 million in
12 the four years ending June 30th, 2016 to perform
13 that work.
14 Some of the things you've seen that were
15 accomplished with the operation and maintenance
16 dollars, besides the operations of our treatment
17 plants and pump stations, we inspected 62,000
18 manholes, rehabilitated 6600 manholes, inspected
19 1900 miles of sewers and, probably more importantly,
20 based on two similar rains that occurred in the
21 northern part of our District at different times
22 we're anticipating we've reduced by 66 percent the
23 number of basement backups and the amount of
24 overflows that are coming out of the system since we
25 started this program.
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1 What MSD is proposing to do for the four-year
2 period starting July 1, 2016, it's the execution of
3 what we call Project Clear. There's three drivers
4 of Project Clear. One is get the rain out. The
5 main issue MSD is addressing in the Consent Decree
6 on the wastewater side is the pipes get too full and
7 they overflow, whether it's onto the ground or
8 whether in the local creeks and streams or into
9 basements.
10 When it is not raining MSD does not have a
11 problem unless grease or something is flushed down
12 the lines or if a line happens to collapse or fail.
13 When it's not raining wastewater goes into the
14 system, goes through the pipes, goes to the plant
15 and gets discharged to the creeks and rivers.
16 When it rains the problem we have is
17 stormwater, either because it's not supposed to get
18 in there or too much is getting in the system, uses
19 up the capacity and causes overflows in the system
20 as well as basement backups.
21 The easiest way to resolve this problem is to
22 get the rain out. The main focus of our program is
23 to stop the stormwater from getting in the system
24 originally or at least slow it down. It's the most
25 cost-effective way to address our issues. It is
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1 approximately four to five times cheaper to do it
2 that way then to actually just build a bigger
3 system.
4 The other part is repair and maintenance.
5 Make sure we're repairing and maintaining the system
6 so it will continue working for many decades to come
7 and, finally, building some system improvements. It
8 will be more cost-effective in a few cases to
9 actually increase the size of the system slightly in
10 order to accommodate the overflows.
11 We're looking to do this in a financially
12 responsible manner, maintain District's financial
13 stabilities. One of the main ways we do this is
14 make sure that anything we propose meets what are
15 currently the parameters we understand that to
16 maintain a AA bond rating for any borrowed money.
17 Right now MSD has a AAA rating from S&P and
18 AA1 and AA plus from Fitch and Moody's. The idea is
19 to try and make sure we stay within the parameters
20 to maintain a AA bond rating so we get very good
21 interest rates whenever we borrow money.
22 The next slide is kind of a rundown of the
23 capital program. Over the next four years we're
24 looking to start $1.5 billion worth of capital work.
25 It's distributed and started within the four years,
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1 as you see up there, totaling $1.5 billion.
2 Also within the proposal is a request for
3 $736 million in operation and maintenance costs and
4 $477 million for debt service. This is to pay off
5 loans that we've either made prior to this period or
6 the loans that we may make, the bonds we may sell
7 during the next four-year period depending on
8 whether or not the voters authorize us additional
9 bonding authority.
10 What will that debt look like? For the next
11 four years we're looking to fund the $1.5 billion
12 worth of capital work. We're going to use
13 $415 million of cash. That's directly using the
14 rates that you pay us on a monthly basis for
15 wastewater.
16 We're also proposing to bond finance
17 $1.1 billion worth of work. In order to do that it
18 will require the voters to decide whether or not
19 they want to authorize us an additional $900 million
20 worth of bonding authority.
21 If they do, that will bring MSD's total debt
22 authorization up to $2.62 billion. Any money
23 borrowed with bonds is spent only on capital
24 projects. None of it is used for the operating
25 budget.
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1 Some of the things that will come out of that
2 capital program, there will be about 600 projects
3 that get started -- capital projects that get
4 started. 230 of those will be construction
5 projects. We'll eliminate 39 of the overflows that
6 are in the system. We will also start the design of
7 about 24 miles of underground tunnels.
8 While the goal is to keep the water out to
9 prevent the overflows, in some cases we cannot get
10 there. It's not cost-effective. So in some cases
11 we will build large underground tunnels, which when
12 the system overflows we will store the water in
13 these tunnels and when the storm goes away and the
14 flows go down we will then route those flows that
15 are in the tunnels to the treatment plants so they
16 can be treated before they're discharged into the
17 environment.
18 Where are the projects? Every one of the
19 blue dots you see on this map is a project. And if
20 you're very close to the map you can see that
21 there's a little white number inside each one of
22 those circles. If you went to our Rate Proposal you
23 could see this map and see the spreadsheet. What we
24 do have are some maps up. This map up here is a
25 reproduction of that map with the circles and the
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1 white numbers.
2 Within our Rate Proposal there's a
3 spreadsheet. If you look up that number you will
4 see the problem we're solving, the work we're going
5 to do, the amount it will cost and the year we plan
6 on starting that project.
7 After the meeting, if you're interested, we
8 do have that spreadsheet sitting next to that map,
9 so if there's a particular project you want to look
10 at you can pick that number up, go to the
11 spreadsheet and see exactly what work it is we're
12 planning on doing.
13 As we go through the presentation you will
14 notice there's a reference at the bottom. It says,
15 in this case, "Appendix 7 point" -- it's cut-off a
16 little bit but there's an appendix reference.
17 Whenever you see a reference at the bottom of any of
18 these slides it's referencing an exact page in the
19 Rate Proposal. Again, if you desire, you can go to
20 our website and you can access the entire Rate
21 Proposal we submitted to the Rate Commission.
22 Wastewater operation and maintenance, what
23 we're planning on accomplishing. Again, besides
24 running the wastewater treatment plants and pump
25 stations throughout our area, inspect 60,000
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1 manholes, rehabilitate 6,000 manholes, inspect with
2 closed-circuit TV, these are cameras we run down the
3 sewers, 1600 miles of sewers, clean 3800 miles of
4 sewers and rehabilitate 360 miles of sewers.
5 Our ratepayers will be offered options to pay
6 for this work. The first one, if you see on the
7 left, is Option A. It assumes that the voters will
8 allow us -- will authorize us to raise our
9 authorization by $900 million in bonding authority.
10 If they do that, that will allow us to complete 1.5
11 billion -- start $1.5 billion worth of capital work
12 over the next four-year period.
13 What you see below is what will happen to the
14 average customer, the average monthly cost for
15 wastewater. The number says Fiscal Year 2016,
16 that's based on a rate that has already been
17 approved and the average customer will be paying MSD
18 $40.72 a month for that service that they're
19 receiving.
20 The next four years we're proposing that the
21 rate go up approximately 10 percent per year
22 culminating in Fiscal Year 2020 for the average
23 customer an annual monthly cost of about $61 a month
24 for wastewater service.
25 On the right-hand side is Option B. This is
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1 assuming the voters don't authorize an additional
2 $900 million worth of bonds. As you see, it
3 anticipates zero use of additional bonds, however,
4 whether we get bonding or not, based on our
5 agreement with the EPA and the Department of
6 Justice, we will have to start $1.5 billion worth of
7 capital work.
8 Below you see what happens to the average
9 monthly cost to our wastewater customers. Again, in
10 Fiscal Year 16 it's $40.72. Fiscal Year 2017 we're
11 still using some remaining bonding authority so the
12 rate stays the same in both scenarios at $44.72.
13 After that we pay for things just with cash
14 resulting in Fiscal Year 2020 for the average
15 customer an average monthly cost of $96 a month for
16 wastewater service.
17 Now I'll talk about stormwater. First of
18 all, I want to touch on current stormwater services.
19 If you take a look at this map this is a map of the
20 District boundaries. To the north is the Missouri
21 River. To the right is the Mississippi River. And
22 in blue you can see the City of St. Louis outline.
23 To the south, wiggling in and out of the District,
24 is the Meramec River. And to the west, that line
25 where the pink ends, that's approximately Highway
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1 109 in Wildwood. Those are the current District's
2 municipal boundaries.
3 In the red area, if you live there, you're
4 currently paying us 24 cents a month plus
5 approximately a 2 cent property tax to do
6 stormwater. Those funds are sufficient for us to do
7 local, state, and federal stormwater compliance
8 regulatory requirements, data collection and
9 tracking and, if necessary, emergency response. The
10 types of emergencies we're talking about is, for
11 instance, erosion that's so severe that a house is
12 ready to drop in a creek. Those are the kind of
13 emergencies we're talking about. We do not maintain
14 the public storm sewer system in that area and we do
15 no projects to address stormwater issues. There's
16 no funding for that.
17 If you live in the yellow area, which is the
18 City of St. Louis and the very near northwest and
19 South County primarily, there you pay a 24 cent
20 monthly fee, the 2 cent property tax and an
21 additional 7 cent property tax. That allows us to
22 do all the regulatory work, the same as the folks in
23 the red area, however, it also allows us to pretty
24 well operate and maintain the public storm sewer
25 system in that area. We cannot do any project to
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1 solve other stormwater problems. There is no
2 funding for that.
3 If you live in the green area and that's kind
4 of just outside the City of St. Louis out to about
5 270, it kind of wiggles in and out there -- we are
6 in the green area where we are here today -- you
7 currently pay a 24 cent monthly fee to MSD, a 2 cent
8 property tax, a 7 cent property tax and up to
9 another 10 cent property tax to MSD.
10 If you do that you get all the regulatory
11 work done, you may operate and maintain the public
12 storm sewer system and we are able to do projects,
13 limited to that funding, to solve stormwater issues
14 such as flooding and creek erosion.
15 What does that mean in real dollars? Again,
16 the same map, if you look at the red area with the
17 24 cent fee and 2 cent tax, the average District
18 customer in the red area pays MSD $8 a year for
19 stormwater service.
20 If you live in the yellow area, paying a 24
21 cent fee, 2 cent tax and a 7 cent tax, the average
22 customer in that area is paying $26 a year for
23 stormwater services.
24 If you live in the green area you pay the 24
25 cent fee, 2 cent tax, 7 cent tax and up to a 10 cent
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1 tax depending on where you live in the green area.
2 The average customer there pays us $53 a year for
3 stormwater. If you compare those services you can
4 see the more somebody pays the more services they're
5 receiving.
6 I'll touch real quickly on what the issue is
7 I mentioned earlier that MSD is trying to address
8 with stormwater. Stormwater regulatory activities,
9 and this has to do with making sure new development
10 does not flood downstream to people by putting
11 basins in, make sure that any new development or
12 anybody else -- the pollutants that are carried from
13 stormwater, try to mitigate their impact on the
14 water quality of local creeks and streams.
15 We do that through plan review and
16 permitting, complaint investigation and, again,
17 emergency response. We're able to provide that
18 service throughout the District.
19 What does that look like? And I'm going to
20 talk about what you saw earlier as the red area. So
21 on this next slide the gray area is where you saw
22 the yellow and green previously. So everything
23 outside of that is the red area and that's what I
24 want to talk about.
25 The blue lines you see are all creeks that
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1 are located out in the red area. They represent
2 1,154 miles of creeks and also on this map are
3 little green dots. There's 2,638 of those. Those
4 are either basins to hold back stormwater or some
5 kind of green infrastructure in order to address
6 water quality and take pollutants out of stormwater
7 runoff. MSD has the responsibility of permitting
8 those and then policing to make sure they are
9 maintained by the property owners.
10 We also have the responsibility of sampling
11 the creeks to make sure we understand the impact of
12 stormwater on the water quality in those creeks.
13 All of that work is currently paid for. The 2 cent
14 tax provides sufficient funds to do that work.
15 The next slide is a representation of what is
16 not being funded. The black lines you see there are
17 the public storm sewer system owned by MSD that's in
18 the red area. It represents 1,363 miles of sewer.
19 It's approximately the same amount of storm sewer
20 system that's in the green area -- that's in the
21 gray area that you see right there.
22 There's no funding to operate and maintain
23 that system. If an inlet gets busted up, if there's
24 a leak in a storm sewer causing a sinkhole, if
25 there's erosion caused by the discharge of the storm
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1 sewer we cannot address those issues. There is no
2 money to do that.
3 Two issues we're looking to address. One, we
4 want to put a funding source in so we can operate
5 and maintain the public storm sewer system located
6 in what is the red area. The second part is right
7 now folks who live in that area are not pay anything
8 for the service of MSD of having a municipal
9 District-wide storm sewer system, primarily whose
10 primary function is to make sure that stormwater
11 comes off the streets so you can use the streets and
12 roads and also to take flows out from people's
13 backyards. So we're also proposing to address the
14 folks in that area help pay for the cost of
15 maintaining the District-wide public storm sewer
16 system.
17 What we're proposing. We're proposing an
18 operation and maintenance budget of $90.8 million
19 over that four-year period. We're also proposing to
20 do $100 million worth of capital work District-wide.
21 That's the two remaining years in the current cycle,
22 2015, 2016, plus the four years in the current rate
23 cycle.
24 Again, what are those drivers? What we feel
25 is the necessary maintenance of the public storm
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1 system, especially that part that has never been
2 funded, and also it does initiate for the first time
3 the ability to do District-wide projects to address
4 stormwater issues throughout the entire District.
5 The next slide is what the operating costs
6 look like. In Fiscal 16, which is the current cycle
7 at $16 million, if a 10 cent District-wide tax is
8 approved our operating costs go up just around 50
9 percent, up to about $23 million a year. What
10 happens is the system we have to maintain doubles
11 and the cost to do that is about a 50 percent
12 increase in our operation and maintenance needs.
13 We will also be doing stormwater projects
14 District-wide for the first time and I'm going to
15 talk about each of these areas because they're a
16 little different. Starting at the top of the chart,
17 in the green area we have identified 64 projects at
18 a cost of $25 million. Whether or not a 10 cent tax
19 is approved most of those would be done anyway.
20 They're paid for for a special -- that up to 10 cent
21 property tax that exists just in the green area.
22 However, there are a few more that are able
23 to do be done because the current taxes in that
24 green area, some of those are actually going to the
25 operation and maintenance of the public storm sewer
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1 system.
2 In the yellow area, which has never had any
3 kind of stormwater projects, we have identified 47
4 projects worth about seventeen and a half million
5 dollars. Half of those are located within the City
6 of St. Louis, the other half to the north, south and
7 west, immediate west of the City of St. Louis.
8 That money comes from a change in the way we
9 have to account for our funds. With a District-wide
10 10 cent property tax it releases some accounting
11 restrictions we have and allows us to use some
12 monies that are available in those areas to build
13 projects, which we weren't previously able to do.
14 Finally, in the red area there's 59 projects
15 identified for $7.5 million. These monies come from
16 the difference between the tax we're asking for and
17 what our current anticipated O & M costs are. If we
18 ask for a 10 cent property tax approximately 8.8
19 cents of that goes to operation and maintenance of
20 the system.
21 We are proposing that anything that's left
22 over be used to resolve District-wide stormwater
23 projects. For those four years it generates
24 approximately seven and a half million dollars of
25 extra money. That is just for now. What will
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1 happen is we anticipate that as inflation happens
2 that cost of 8.8 cents will slowly rise and
3 eventually we will not be able to do any capital
4 work. But for now it's available and we anticipate
5 it being available for the next 10 plus years.
6 Just like with the wastewater map we have a
7 stormwater map over here. Same circles, same
8 numbers. Again, it's in our Rate Proposal. Also,
9 we have the map here along with the spreadsheet. So
10 if you're interested in looking it up you can find
11 the number, we'll tell you the problem solved, what
12 we're going to do to solve it, how much it costs,
13 and what year we plan on doing it.
14 So a summation of what happens to all the
15 stormwater taxes. If you live in the green area --
16 and there are 21 separate little taxing districts in
17 that large green area you saw. We will plan on
18 setting all those tax rates to zero. We will make
19 them go away.
20 The stormwater tax, the 7 cent property tax
21 that's paid for in the green and yellow area with an
22 approval of a 10 cent District-wide tax that 10 cent
23 tax will replace the 7 cent tax and we'll no longer
24 charge the 7 cent property tax.
25 The 2 cent property tax that's District-wide
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1 is currently sufficient to meet our regulatory
2 needs. Our plan is to leave that 2 cent property
3 tax in place District-wide.
4 The fourth line you see there is the
5 implementation of a District-wide 10 cent property
6 tax and the monthly 24 cent per month charge that
7 goes to wastewater customers right now to pay for
8 stormwater will also be replaced by the 10 cent
9 property tax.
10 So for stormwater what's the impact on the
11 individuals who live in the various areas? So in
12 the green area the average property value in the
13 green area is $184,500. Based on that, the average
14 person living in the green area pays an annual
15 property tax bill to MSD of about $62 per year.
16 If this proposal goes in place that amount
17 would reduce by about $20 per year. It would go
18 down resulting in an average annual cost to MSD on
19 your annual property tax bill of approximately $42
20 per year. The impact on your overall property tax
21 bill for the average person would be a reduction of
22 one half of one percent on their overall property
23 tax bill.
24 MSD is a very small part of the property tax
25 bill, therefore, the impact -- this one-third
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1 reduction has a very small impact on the overall
2 value of your property tax bill.
3 If you live in the yellow area the average
4 property value of the yellow area is $70,800, so the
5 average person there is paying us $12.50 a year for
6 stormwater services. The proposed 10 cent rate and
7 all the other changes would result in an increase
8 for the average person of $3.60 resulting in an
9 average annual cost for stormwater on the property
10 tax bill of just over $16 per year.
11 That would result in an average change in the
12 property tax bill for folks in that area of an
13 increase of three-tenths of 1 percent or $3 for
14 every thousand dollars of taxes paid.
15 Finally, in the red area, if you recall
16 there's very little services and very little funds
17 currently being collected from that area. The
18 average property value in that area right now is
19 $266,700. With the 2 cent tax the average person in
20 that area pays us approximately $10.50 per year on
21 their annual property tax bill. A 10-cent-wide tax
22 would increase that by about $50 per year. It would
23 result in the individuals in those areas paying MSD
24 $60 per year on their annual property tax bill for
25 stormwater services. Change in their overall
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1 property tax bill would be an increase of
2 1.2 percent.
3 Finally, as far as information, I just want
4 to kind of give a sense of what this overall cost
5 means to the average person. So if you take a look
6 at the next slide, on the left-hand side we're
7 assuming that the voters grant MSD an additional
8 $900 million of bonding authority.
9 If they do, the average customer right now in
10 the District -- you see the number on Graph FY16 --
11 they pay MSD $522 per year for all of the services
12 that MSD provides. If bonds are authorized and all
13 these proposals move forward, by Fiscal Year 2020
14 the average customer will pay MSD $770 per year for
15 all the services that MSD provides.
16 The right-hand column is assuming the
17 ratepayers decide not to grant additional bond
18 authorization to MSD. If you recall, we have to do
19 the wastewater capital work as required by the
20 Department of Justice and EPA. Again, you start at
21 $522.54 per year. That would eventually go up for
22 all the services MSD pays -- for the average
23 customer paying $1,193 per year for all the services
24 that MSD proposes -- that provides.
25 The last page, MSD does have a low income
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1 customer assistance program. Essentially your costs
2 are cut in half. So if there are any low-income
3 individuals, if you compare this chart to the
4 previous chart all of those costs are cut in half.
5 So if you were going to pay 500, you'll pay
6 something around $250 for those costs. So we do
7 have a low-income customer assistance program in
8 those instances.
9 What will happen in the future? As mentioned
10 previously, MSD has submitted this Rate Proposal to
11 the Rate Commission on February 26th, 2015. There
12 will be a final wastewater increase from the current
13 rate cycle that will go into effect July 1, 2015
14 resulting in those costs you saw under the FY2016
15 column.
16 The Rate Commission's recommendations of
17 staff's recommendations are due to our board by
18 August 10th, 2015. Our Board of Trustees will
19 consider their recommendations between August and
20 December of 2015 and after that the voters will be
21 asked to vote. There will be two things that you
22 will be asked to vote on in Calendar 2016. Don't
23 know the exact time but they will be in 2016.
24 One on the wastewater side. You will be
25 asked to do this work do the customers wish to
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1 authorize an additional $900 million in bonding
2 authority. If you do, the average cost will go up
3 to that one chart that went from about $40 per month
4 to $60 per month.
5 If the voters decide not to authorize
6 additional bonding authority the cost will go from
7 $40 a month up to that $96 per month in a four-year
8 period as was seen on the other option chart.
9 It will be up to the ratepayers. It's kind
10 of like buying a house or buying a car. If you
11 borrow money now for that it costs less now but for
12 every dollar you borrow you got to pay $3 back in
13 the future because you have to pay for the interest
14 of the loan. If you're willing to allow the rates
15 to go up higher now you pay more now but when the
16 program peaks in around 2023 and costs go down,
17 that cost will go down quicker and you won't have to
18 pay interest costs. That's a decision the
19 ratepayers will have to make.
20 The second ballot will have to do with
21 stormwater. We will be asking you whether or not
22 you are willing to approve a 10 cent District-wide
23 property tax for stormwater. If they do approve the
24 10 cent tax you'll see the program I just last
25 presented, which is District-wide maintenance of the
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1 public storm sewer system, as well as District-wide
2 projects to solve stormwater issues.
3 If the voters decide not to approve the 10
4 cent tax the situation will remain the same as I
5 originally described, if you remember the yellow,
6 red and green map with the cost -- with the services
7 you are provided depending on how much you have to
8 be paying and where you live.
9 If you do have any questions for the Rate
10 Commission you can submit -- two ways, one, you can
11 speak today and I'll open that up in a minute for
12 public comment, if you have any public comments you
13 want to give to the Rate Commission. If you desire
14 to submit some comments, other than in this forum,
15 there is an email address that you can use or you
16 can mail any comments to us at MSD and we will make
17 sure all comments are forwarded to the Rate
18 Commission.
19 With that, the Rate Commission is ready to
20 open the floor to any public comments that anyone
21 has with regard to MSD's Rate Proposal.
22 MR. SCHOEDEL: Thank you, Mr. Hoelscher.
23 Could I have the clipboard with the names of people
24 that signed in? For the people who signed in who
25 wish to provide testimony, again, I will take them
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1 in order of the way they signed in and then we're
2 asking you to limit your comments to 10 minutes.
3 So the first gentleman we have on the list is
4 Ralph Roberts.
5 MR. ROBERTS: You'll have to excuse my
6 English because what I know about what's going on
7 with this is zilch. At the end of 2020, the rate
8 increase that you collect, do that go back, does
9 that go back or it stays there and continues to
10 rise?
11 MR. HOELSCHER: Can I go ahead and
12 respond? I think it's worthwhile.
13 MR. SCHOEDEL: Please.
14 MR. HOELSCHER: In our Rate Proposal we
15 show about the same amount of work needs to be done
16 for the four years after that as well, with a
17 subsequent increase. The cost of our capital
18 program for the wastewater starts going down after
19 2023.
20 MR. ROBERTS: After 2023.
21 MR. HOELSCHER: So we're anticipating --
22 what it actually looks like will depend on whether
23 or not the voters want to use bonds to help pay for
24 this or not, but somewhere around '23 or '24 rates
25 will then start going back down.
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1 MR. ROBERTS: Yeah. Okay. I have got
2 one more question I'm not sure about.
3 Does MSD, do they have --
4 MSD STAFF: Low income?
5 MR. ROBERTS: No, not low income. That
6 stops me right there. I'm on a fixed income right
7 now but I'm single, so I'm just above that. So it
8 don't help me at all. Do they have stockholders?
9 MR. HOELSCHER: No, sir. MSD is
10 actually a municipal corporation formed under the
11 constitution, so we're just like a city.
12 MR. ROBERTS: That's all I needed to
13 know.
14 MR. SCHOEDEL: Thank you. Then Herman
15 Nebel?
16 MR. NEBEL: I don't have anything. I
17 thought we were just signing into be here.
18 MR. SCHOEDEL: Is there anybody else
19 that came in later that would like to speak or have
20 any testimony? Any comments from the Rate
21 Commissioners here?
22 MR. TOMAZI: None. Thank you.
23 MR. SCHOEDEL: Seeing or hearing none,
24 thank you all for your participation tonight and
25 spending the time to listen to this presentation.
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1 The next public hearing will be conducted on May
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4 This public hearing is adjourned. Thank you.
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