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1 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT
2 PUBLIC HEARING
3 MAY 26, 2015
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1 I N D E X
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3 Introduction by Mr. Toenjes 5
4 Presentation by Mr. Hoelscher 9
5 Public Hearing Session
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19 PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS
20 SEWER DISTRICT, produced and examined on May 26,
21 2015, between the hours of 6:30 in the evening and
22 7:13 in the evening of that day, at the
23 International Institute of St. Louis, 3401 Arsenal
24 Street, St. Louis, Missouri, before Suzanne M. Zes,
25 a Certified Court Reporter of the State of Missouri.
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1 A P P E A R A N C E S
2 For the MSD Rate Commission:
3 Leonard Toenjes
Associated General Contractors
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Russell Hawes
5 St. Louis County Municipal League
6 Nancy Bowser
League of Women Voters of St. Louis
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Executive Director
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 MR. TOENJES: Good evening. I'm Len
3 Toenjes, chairman of the Metropolitan St. Louis
4 Sewer District Rate Commission and I will be
5 presiding over the public hearing this evening.
6 With me tonight is the following Rate
7 Commission member, Ms. Nancy Bowser.
8 The Charter Plan of the District was amended
9 at a general election on November 7th, 2000, and
10 established the Rate Commission to review and make
11 recommendations to the District regarding changes in
12 wastewater rates, stormwater rates, and tax rates
13 proposed by the District.
14 I'd also like to introduce Mr. Russell Hawes,
15 another member of the Rate Commission.
16 The Charter Plan requires the MSD Board of
17 Trustees to select organizations to ensure a fair
18 representation of all users of the District's
19 services on the Rate Commission. The Rate
20 Commission representative organizations are to
21 represent commercial-industrial users, residential
22 users, and other organizations interested in the
23 operation of the District, including organizations
24 focusing on environmental issues, labor issues,
25 socio-economic issues, community-neighborhood
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1 organizations and other non-profit organizations.
2 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15
3 members from organizations and institutions
4 throughout St. Louis City and County.
5 On February 26th, 2015, the Rate Commission
6 received a Rate Change Notice proposing changes to
7 the District's wastewater rates and stormwater
8 revenues. The Rate Commission adopted Operational
9 Rules and a Procedural Schedule to govern the
10 proceedings on March 4, 2015 and amended its
11 Procedural Schedule on May 20th, 2015.
12 Under the Procedural Schedule, as amended,
13 the MSD Rate Commission has until August 10th, 2015
14 to review and make a recommendation to the MSD Board
15 of Trustees as to whether the proposed rates should
16 be approved, not approved, or modified with
17 suggested changes and then approved.
18 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged legal
19 counsel and a rate consultant independent of those
20 used by the MSD staff.
21 Under procedural rules adopted by the Rate
22 Commission, as amended, any person affected by the
23 Rate Change Proposal had an opportunity to submit an
24 application to intervene in these proceedings.
25 Applications to intervene have been filed by the
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1 Home Builders Association of St. Louis and the
2 Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers. These
3 applications have been granted.
4 Since February 26th, 2015, the MSD Rate
5 Commission has received testimony from MSD staff.
6 The parties have also engaged in discovery requests.
7 Additional testimony from the Intervenors and the
8 Rate Consultant will be filed.
9 Technical conferences were held on
10 April 8th and May 20th, 2015 and are planned for
11 June 17th, 2015, where the participants and the Rate
12 Commission are given an opportunity to ask questions
13 of those submitting testimony.
14 A Prehearing Conference for the purpose of
15 identifying any issues raised by the Rate Setting
16 Documents and the prepared testimony previously
17 submitted will be conducted on the record on
18 June 26, 2015.
19 All persons submitting testimony may
20 participate in the Prehearing Conference and each
21 participant in the Prehearing Conference shall
22 submit a Prehearing Conference Report describing the
23 issues raised by the Rate Setting Documents and the
24 prepared testimony, together with a brief
25 description of such participant's position, if any,
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1 on each issue and the rationale therefor.
2 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene are
3 permitted to participate in these on-the-record
4 public hearings conducted in ten sessions beginning
5 on May 11th, 2015 and concluding on July 11th --
6 July 10th, 2015.
7 The Rate Commission published a Public Notice
8 regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis
9 Post-Dispatch and in the St. Louis American. These
10 Notices contain the time, dates, and location of
11 each of the conferences and hearings.
12 The Public Hearing Session tonight is for the
13 purpose of permitting the District to present its
14 Wastewater and Stormwater Rate Change Proposal, and
15 to permit any ratepayer an opportunity to comment.
16 We will begin with a presentation by the District
17 followed by a public comment period.
18 Those wishing to speak should sign in on the
19 sheet provided and will be called on in the order of
20 the names listed thereon.
21 Each ratepayer should identify themselves and
22 any organizations represented by such ratepayer.
23 There are several housekeeping rules before
24 we begin. First, if you wish to present testimony
25 please sign in on the clipboard that's located by
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1 the rear door on the same table with the snacks
2 underneath the basketball hoop. Speakers will be
3 recognized in the order in which they sign up.
4 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of ten
5 minutes to speak regarding the proposed rate change.
6 As the presiding officer, I can limit or expand the
7 time, should I deem it necessary.
8 Restrooms are located just outside the door
9 at the back of the auditorium.
10 And that concludes my comments. Are there
11 any questions from anyone regarding the proceedings
12 this evening?
13 Hearing none, is the District ready to
14 proceed?
15 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, sir, we are.
16 MR. TOENJES: Mr. Hoelscher, please step
17 forward.
18 MR. HOELSCHER: Nobody to interpret here
19 tonight, right? Okay. I'm going to move this back
20 so we can make sure everybody can see the screen.
21 This is a duplicate -- do they all have handouts of
22 the presentation? Okay. So this is the same as the
23 handouts you have. I'm going to sit and do this so
24 I can see everybody here.
25 What we're presenting tonight is the Rate
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1 Proposal by the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer
2 District. This was a proposal submitted by the
3 staff to the Rate Commission on February 26, 2015.
4 At the end of the presentation, as noted
5 earlier, there will be comments to allow folks to on
6 the record publicly comment about what's in the Rate
7 Proposal. I do have additional staff here, so if
8 you have questions or other comments, outside of
9 this Rate Proposal, after the proceedings are
10 done -- something else involving MSD, we can answer
11 any other questions you have as well or at least get
12 back to you with an answer.
13 What you will see, as an introduction, our
14 wastewater rates are driven by a Consent Decree that
15 we signed with the Department of Justice and the
16 EPA. That's what is driving all the wastewater work
17 we have to do. That's the driver for the revenues
18 we're asking for.
19 On the stormwater side you'll see we're
20 looking to change the way property taxes are
21 collected to pay for stormwater. It's currently got
22 a different tax rate everywhere and, therefore, a
23 different service level everywhere throughout the
24 District. We're looking to normalize that
25 throughout the District.
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1 And, finally, what you see here, this will be
2 a summation of the Rate Proposal we gave to our Rate
3 Commission. If you want to see any of the details
4 that are behind these you will notice on some of the
5 sheets there's a reference to certain appendices or
6 pages. Those are in the actual Rate Proposal. We
7 have some of them here today. If you went on our
8 website you could see the actual proposal with all
9 the numbers in back for everything that we're
10 presenting tonight.
11 Two things to remember, MSD is actually two
12 utilities. One, we provide wastewater service. So
13 we collect and treat all the water that comes
14 through the sinks, toilets, floor drains, bathtubs,
15 washing machines. It travels through pipes, goes to
16 one of our seven treatment plants, that flow is
17 treated to the standards that are set by the EPA,
18 Missouri Department of Natural Resources and then
19 that is discharged to creeks and streams in the
20 area. For St. Louis that's the Missouri
21 River, Mississippi River and Meramec river.
22 That wastewater service is currently funded
23 on the monthly bill that you get from MSD and it is
24 based on your actual winter water usage. So your
25 monthly bill is supposed to be representative of the
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1 amount of water that comes into your home, that
2 would be the amount that goes out during the winter
3 quarter. That way we don't pick up things like
4 watering the grass, cleaning cars, filling swimming
5 pools, those types of things.
6 Stormwater service is the second service we
7 provide. Any rainfall that doesn't hit the ground
8 and flow naturally to local creeks and streams or
9 doesn't absorb into the property we provide a system
10 for, a public storm sewer system consisting of
11 inlets, manholes, storm sewers and paved concrete
12 channels in some places to help convey that
13 stormwater to the natural creeks and streams in the
14 area.
15 We're also required to address regulatory
16 issues having to do with stormwater runoff and
17 that's the pollutants in that runoff and the impact
18 that those pollutants have on the local creeks and
19 streams in the area.
20 Stormwater service is paid for on your annual
21 property tax bill. There's a small charge on your
22 monthly bill, that I'll go into later, but most of
23 the revenue comes from your property tax bill. So
24 two different sources of revenue. They cannot be
25 mixed. We cannot use one revenue source to pay for
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1 another service. They are two separate entities.
2 A little bit about MSD's Rate Commission,
3 some of which you just heard. It was established in
4 2000 to provide public input on how MSD sets its
5 rates. There are 15 organizations, as was
6 previously described by Mr. Toenjes. They review
7 all the rate changes under Charter-defined
8 parameters and they render a recommendation to our
9 Board of Trustees.
10 In October through December our Board of
11 Trustees will take the Rate Commission's
12 recommendation and evaluate it against those same
13 factors and make a ruling.
14 The proposal that we submitted to the Rate
15 Commission is to account for our rates that we're
16 proposing to collect between July 1, 2016 and June
17 30th, 2020.
18 So first we want to talk about current
19 wastewater. Currently we have rates approved from
20 June 30th, 2016. In that proposal we identified
21 approximately $971 billion worth of capital work
22 that needed to start over a four-year period. Right
23 now it appears we will appropriate $890 million
24 worth of capital work during that four-year period
25 or 95 percent of the amount that was identified.
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1 That is a good thing. We've gotten the work
2 done on time and we got it done on schedule as
3 required by the Consent Decree. We have had some
4 savings due to some engineering savings and,
5 specifically, some real good prices that we're still
6 getting from our contractors to do the work and
7 that's helped us come in under budget.
8 For operation and maintenance the story is
9 the same. We are on time and under budget. A lot
10 of the operations and maintenance we have to do on
11 the wastewater system is also covered in the Consent
12 Decree.
13 The Rate Commission had allowed us
14 $716 million in revenues to pay for operation and
15 maintenance. We are projecting to spend $700
16 million, or $16 million less than the budget, by
17 June 30th, 2016.
18 Besides the operation of the treatment plants
19 and pump stations located throughout the area the
20 work included the inspection of 62,000 manholes,
21 rehabilitation of 6600 manholes, the inspection of
22 1900 miles of sewers with closed-circuit TV, so we
23 can see what the inside of the sewers look like and
24 probably, more importantly, a reduction in basement
25 backups and overflows.
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1 We had the opportunity this last spring to
2 measure a storm, type of storm that went through the
3 northern part of our District just east of the
4 airport in the Coldwater Creek Watershed. A couple
5 years later we had a similar storm go through, same
6 type of rainfall, same duration.
7 Based on an analysis of the way the system
8 reacted it appears the work we have done so far has
9 reduced the number of basement backups and also the
10 overflow volumes by about 66 percent. So we're
11 starting to seeing benefits already from the work
12 we're doing, both to the environment and also folks
13 having to deal with basement backups.
14 What we're proposing for wastewater rates.
15 We're doing our wastewater program through something
16 called "MSD Project Clear." You've heard that
17 advertised. It's the work that we need to do in
18 order to meet our capital requirements.
19 There's three main components to Project
20 Clear. One is get the rain out. The biggest reason
21 our system overflows is because stormwater that's
22 not supposed to be in the wastewater system or too
23 much is getting in surcharging the system and
24 causing it to overflow.
25 What we're trying to address is a wet weather
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1 issue. When it's not raining, like today, unless
2 somebody has flushed grease down the line to cause a
3 blockage or the sewers collapse somewhere, all the
4 wastewater goes out of the homes, into the sewers,
5 to the treatment plants and gets treated. We have
6 no overflows when it's not raining. The issue is
7 when it rains and there's stormwater.
8 The easiest way to resolve this issue is to
9 get the rain out, stop it from getting into the
10 system. It looks like a lot of different things,
11 whether it's disconnecting people's downspouts that
12 are connected to the wastewater system or holding
13 water before gets in the combined system here in the
14 city so it reduces the amount of overflow.
15 It's the most cost-effective way to resolve
16 the issues. It's four to five times cheaper with
17 that way than if we actually increase the size of
18 the system to transport and treat those flows.
19 We also have some repair and maintenance to
20 do. We want to get the system caught up so that
21 it's in good shape and it will work for many years
22 to come. Also, there are some places where we will
23 have to build some system improvements.
24 We want to do this in a financially
25 responsible manner and maintain the District's
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1 financial stability. Right now MSD has a bond
2 rating from three bonding agencies. From S&P you
3 have a AAA bond rating and from Fitch and Moody's we
4 have a AA1 and a AA plus. These are good bond
5 ratings in our industry. The industry standard is a
6 AA bond rating.
7 So if you look at our proposal you will find
8 that what we're proposing is to maintain, based on
9 current parameters, best we can maintain at least a
10 AA bond rating as we go through this program,
11 especially as we get over the peak of the program
12 where the cost of the capital program starts going
13 down. That's how we try to maintain the financial
14 stability of the District.
15 Capital program. For the next four years
16 we're proposing to start $1.5 billion of additional
17 capital work. It's spent through the years 2017
18 through 2020, as shown in the slides here, totaling
19 $1.5 billion. We're anticipating $736 million of
20 operation and maintenance costs over those four
21 years total.
22 And, also, we're anticipating $477 million of
23 total debt service. That's for the money we have
24 borrowed prior to this period, as well as assuming
25 the ratepayers will allow us additional authority to
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1 do additional borrowing to pay for the cost of the
2 program in the future. That goes forward. Again,
3 $477 million will go towards repaying that debt
4 service that's due over those four years.
5 How are we going to do the additional use of
6 debt? Right now we're anticipating using cash
7 financing of 415 million over the four years.
8 That's taking the money you pay us directly for
9 wastewater and actually using that cash to pay for
10 part of the wastewater program.
11 The total bond financing, we're anticipating
12 borrowing $1.1 billion -- selling $1.1 billion worth
13 of bonds over that four-year period. $200 million
14 of that is left-over bonding authority from the
15 previous election four years ago. The rest would
16 assume that the ratepayers decide to grant us
17 additional authorization of $900 million of
18 additional authorization of bonding capacity. If
19 they do, that will bring our total debt
20 authorization to $2.62 billion.
21 The thing to remember is if we borrow money
22 through bonds to do -- for Project Clear, it all
23 goes towards projects. None of it can be used for
24 operating costs. It all goes towards capital work.
25 What we plan on doing over that four-year
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1 period, we'll start 600 projects, about 230 of them
2 will be construction, remove sanitary sewer
3 overflows and also start the design of 24 miles of
4 storage conveyance tunnels.
5 Especially in St. Louis, itself, some of the
6 discharges are so large that instead of eliminate
7 all the flows before it gets into the system, we'll
8 build large tunnels and large underground storage
9 facilities so when the pipes overflow instead of
10 going in River Des Peres, they will go into
11 underground tunnels and will hold the flow. And
12 when the storm is done we'll run that flow through
13 the treatment plants and we'll treat the flows that
14 way.
15 Where are the wastewater projects. If you
16 look on these maps you will see these blue dots.
17 Each blue dot is a capital project that's going to
18 start during that time period. In each one of those
19 little blue dots, if you can read them
20 congratulations, are a five-digit number that is a
21 reference to the actual projects that we have.
22 We have a copy of that map up here. The
23 numbers are much more readable. In our Rate
24 Proposal each one of those numbers refers to a
25 project. It says what the problem is we're solving,
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1 what we'll do to solve it, how much it costs, and
2 when we'll get it done. That's in the spreadsheet.
3 Here's a copy of the map. We also have a
4 separate copy of that spreadsheet, so after the
5 meeting if you'd like to come and look, see where
6 those projects are, you can look at the spreadsheet
7 here or the information is always available on our
8 website.
9 What we're proposing to accomplish. Again,
10 on the operation and maintenance side, besides the
11 operation of treatment plants and substations,
12 inspect 60,000 manholes, rehabilitate 6,000
13 manholes, inspect with closed-circuit TV 1600 miles
14 of sewers, clean 3800 miles of sewers and
15 rehabilitate 360 miles of sewers.
16 So how are we going to pay for that? That
17 will be up to voters. If you look at the column on
18 the left-hand side it says, "Voters Approve Bonds."
19 That is kind of Option A that we presented to the
20 Rate Commission. What the proposal is, is to
21 request the ratepayers to extend an additional
22 $900 million of bond authorization to MSD. If that
23 happens we will start $1.5 billion worth of capital
24 work over the next four years and below you'll see
25 what will happen to the average single-family
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1 wastewater bill. Again, this is on a monthly
2 charge. So in Fiscal Year 16, under current rates,
3 the average residential customer pays us $40.72 and
4 that goes up about 10 percent per year in 2020 to a
5 $60.86 per month average.
6 Where does that put us compared to the rest
7 of the country? Fifty cities who are kind of in the
8 same place we are, some have Consent Decrees, some
9 don't, they're paying anywhere between 15 and $135 a
10 month for wastewater. So we're somewhere in the
11 middle.
12 The right-hand column assumes the voters
13 reject the bonds. The voters do have the right to
14 say, no, we don't want to issue MSD any additional
15 bonding authority. If you do that, MSD, because of
16 the Consent Decree, still has to start $1.4 billion
17 worth of capital work over those next four years.
18 So below you see what happens to the average
19 single-family wastewater sewer bill. Again, $40.72
20 in 2016. Because we're using left-over bonding
21 authority the first year of Fiscal 17 looks the same
22 as the other column and then jumps up to an average
23 monthly charge in 2020 of $96 per month for the
24 average customer.
25 Stormwater. First, I'm going to go over how
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1 stormwater is currently funded. You see this, this
2 is a map of MSD's service area. It shows its
3 municipal boundaries. To the north is the Missouri
4 River. To the right or east is the Mississippi
5 River. On the south the Meramec River is wiggling
6 in and out of our boundaries. To the west or left
7 is Highway 109 in Wildwood. Those are MSD's
8 municipal boundaries.
9 If you live in the pink area -- the red area,
10 I'm sorry, if you live in the red area the people
11 there currently pay a 24 cent fee, and a 2 cent
12 property tax and that property tax shows up on the
13 annual property tax bill.
14 In that area we're able to comply with local,
15 state and federal regulatory compliance, primarily
16 having to do with stormwater runoff -- I'm sorry --
17 pollutants from stormwater runoff and their impact
18 on local creeks and streams. We're able to do data
19 collection and tracking of any stormwater problems
20 and also we're able to do any emergency response.
21 We have no monies to maintain the public storm sewer
22 system in that area. We have no money to do the
23 projects to resolve issues such as erosion or
24 flooding.
25 If you live in the area colored yellow and
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1 that's the City of St. Louis and mostly near North,
2 West and South County, you pay a 24 cent per month
3 fee, a 2 cent property tax and a 7 cent property
4 tax. That gets you all the regulatory work we just
5 talked about in the red area, in addition we're able
6 to pretty well maintain the public storm sewer
7 system: manholes, inlets, storm sewers, and paved
8 concrete channels. We cannot do any projects to
9 resolve stormwater issues such as erosion or
10 flooding. There is no monies assigned for that.
11 If you live in the green area and that's kind
12 of between the City of St. Louis boundaries and
13 inside 270, you pay a 24 cent per month fee and on
14 your annual property tax bill you pay a 2 cent
15 property tax, 7 cent property tax, and up to a 10
16 cent property tax.
17 In that area we do all the regulatory work,
18 maintain the public storm sewer system, in addition
19 you have some monies available to do projects.
20 That's the area you'll find MSD resolving erosion
21 issues and flooding issues having to do with
22 stormwater.
23 So what does that mean for the average
24 customer? If you live in the red area, paying the
25 24 cent fee and 2 cent property tax, that person on
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1 average is paying us $8 a year for stormwater
2 services, mostly on their annual property tax bill.
3 If you live in the yellow area, where you get
4 the regulatory work, plus the maintenance of the
5 public storm sewer system, you're paying the 24 cent
6 fee, the 2 cent property tax, 7 cent property tax.
7 The average taxpayer to MSD is paying $26.33 per
8 year for stormwater services.
9 If you live in the green area you're paying
10 the 24 cent fee, 2 cent property tax, 7 cent
11 property tax and up to a 10 cent property tax and
12 you're getting all the services we provide, which is
13 regulatory work, operation and maintenance of the
14 public storm sewer system, and the ability to do
15 projects to address flooding and erosion. The
16 average person there is paying us $53 a year for
17 stormwater service on their annual property tax
18 bill.
19 So, therefore, currently if you notice right
20 now we are able to collect -- I'm down to one
21 person, right?
22 MR. ABDALLA: Yeah.
23 MR. HOELSCHER: Here we go. So we're
24 able to collect a 2 cent property tax. We
25 collect -- if you notice in the upper right-hand
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1 corner there's a 2 cent property tax we collect
2 District-wide and allows us to do all of our
3 regulatory compliance activities. That's mostly
4 through our plan review. If a site redevelops we
5 make sure they have controls on stormwater volume
6 and controls on the pollutants of the stormwater
7 runoff to make sure they don't impact the residents
8 or the local creeks and streams.
9 We can do complaint investigation and data
10 collection. We can monitor the pollutants in the
11 local creeks and streams and also we can respond to
12 emergencies. For us, an emergency is if erosion is
13 ready to have a house fall in a creek.
14 The map on Slide 18 is kind of a
15 representation of what that is. On this map what's
16 in the gray is what you saw as the yellow and green
17 area previously. So in the red area, what you see
18 there, all the blue lines are creeks. There's 1154
19 miles of creeks in the red area. We take -- we use
20 a permitting authority to make sure that there isn't
21 an increase in runoff volume or pollutant runoff
22 from stormwater doesn't impact those creeks and
23 streams.
24 Each little green dot is a best management
25 practice or a retention basin. These hold water
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1 back either for volume to make sure that a new
2 development doesn't cause downstream issues or to
3 treat the stormwater before it leaves the site. MSD
4 polices those and permits them. They don't maintain
5 them. They're maintained by private property owners
6 but we do have a responsibility to police those and
7 make sure they're properly maintained. So all that
8 work is currently funded.
9 If you go to the next page this is the part
10 that is not funded. Every one of those little black
11 lines is part of the public storm sewer system. It
12 represents about one half of MSD's public storm
13 sewer system and there are no funds to operate and
14 maintain that system.
15 So there's two major issues we feel we need
16 to address with this proposal. One is to provide
17 funds to operate and maintain the system. If you
18 live in that area and an inlet is busted, we can't
19 do anything about it. If a pipe comes apart and
20 causes a sinkhole in your backyard, we can't do
21 anything about it. We may fill the hole but we
22 can't fix the pipe. If there's some small erosion
23 caused by the discharge of a storm sewer in a creek,
24 we don't have any funds to fix anything like that.
25 So that's one issue we want to resolve, is to get
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1 those resolved.
2 The other issue we have is if there are folks
3 who live in this red area they aren't providing any
4 funds for the operation and maintenance of any of
5 the public storm sewer system located within our
6 municipal boundaries, in our service area. Every
7 one of the streets and roads, unless you're on a
8 major interstate, is being serviced by our public
9 storm sewer system and we're looking to recover an
10 appropriate amount of funds from everyone to help
11 pay for that service District-wide.
12 So what we're proposing to change. On Slide
13 21 we're proposing a cost of $90.8 million over a
14 four-year period for operations and maintenance and
15 that would be the operation and maintenance of all
16 the public storm sewer system District-wide, which
17 we currently don't have.
18 Also, the proposal would allow us to do about
19 a hundred million dollars of stormwater capital
20 projects over six years starting in 2015 and ending
21 in 2020 and doing them District-wide for the first
22 time.
23 Again, what are the drivers? The necessary
24 maintenance of the public storm sewer system, that's
25 the main reason MSD is making this proposal and
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1 limited funding for six years worth of stormwater
2 capital improvements District-wide.
3 Our operating costs. Right now in Fiscal 16
4 operating costs are about $16 million a year under
5 our current service level. They would move up to
6 about $23 million a year, a little under a 50
7 percent increase. That increase comes from us
8 doubling the amount of system we're maintaining that
9 requires a 50 percent increase in the cost. There
10 is some economy to scale that allows us to be
11 effective when we increase the size of the system
12 we're maintaining.
13 There will also be stormwater projects. This
14 map is similar to the wastewater one and it's also
15 located over here. Again, each one of those circles
16 is a number. Each one of those numbers refers to a
17 project and if you look in our Rate Proposal you
18 will find what the problem is, what the solution is,
19 how much it costs and when we're going to build it.
20 A copy of that spreadsheet with all of those
21 projects is also over by this map, so when we're all
22 done if you'd like to take a look at one of these
23 areas you can do so.
24 I want to go over where the funding for some
25 of these projects comes from. If you look in the
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1 green area we've identified 64 projects totaling
2 about $25 million. Most of those projects would get
3 built anyway. They're coming from a funding source
4 that we collect just in that green area. If you
5 recall they pay an extra 10 cent tax.
6 We wouldn't quite do as many of those because
7 some of that tax we collect in the green area
8 actually goes towards operation and maintenance of
9 the storm sewer system but most of those projects
10 would get built anyway with the dedicated source of
11 revenue collected in that green area.
12 If you look in the yellow area we've involved
13 47 projects at a cost of seventeen and a half
14 million dollars. Approximately one half of the
15 value of those projects will get done in the City of
16 St. Louis. The other half in near North, West and
17 South County, outside the City of St. Louis.
18 These projects come from if our proposal --
19 we're proposing a 10 cent District-wide property
20 tax. If that proposal passes it allows us to clear
21 up some accounting restrictions we have with how we
22 collect the monies we're currently collecting. So
23 it allows us then to do stormwater projects
24 resolving flooding and erosion for the first time in
25 the yellow area by clearing up that accounting
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1 restriction.
2 Finally, if you live in the red area we've
3 identified 59 projects at a total of $7.5 million.
4 Where's the funding for these projects come
5 from? MSD is going to request a 10 cent
6 District-wide property tax. Right now we're
7 anticipating approximately 8.8 cents of that 10 cent
8 tax will go towards the operation and maintenance of
9 the District-wide public storm sewer system.
10 What we want to commit to is anything that we
11 find on an annual basis that's over that amount we
12 will put towards stormwater projects. And after we
13 do the projects you see in the yellow and the
14 green -- the highest priority projects are in the
15 red area, so all the money for those four years
16 would go into the red area.
17 So what happens with all the taxes? This
18 chart shows that. Again, I mentioned in the green
19 area there's something called the OMCI tax. That's
20 that extra 5 to 10 cent tax. MSD will set that tax
21 rate at zero. We no longer collect.
22 The stormwater O&M tax, which is both in the
23 yellow and the green area, that's a 7 cent property
24 tax. The proposed 10-cent-wide property tax would
25 replace that 7 cent property tax.
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1 The District-wide regulatory tax is 0.197, or
2 the 2 cent property tax, would stay in place. Right
3 now it is just enough to cover our regulatory work
4 District-wide. We would propose to leave that in
5 place and make no changes.
6 And, finally, the ones that are being set to
7 zero would be replaced with a 10-cent District-wide
8 property tax.
9 Also, if you are a wastewater customer the 24
10 cent per month charge that you pay for stormwater on
11 your wastewater bill would be eliminated as well.
12 So what does that mean to the average
13 ratepayer? We have broken that down by those three
14 colors you saw on the previous map. If you live in
15 the green area, right now you're paying those listed
16 taxes we indicated. The average property value is
17 $184,500 in that green area.
18 Under our proposal folks in that area are
19 paying an average of $62 per year on their annual
20 property tax bill for stormwater services. This
21 proposal would reduce that by about $20 per year to
22 a total of about $42 per year for the average annual
23 property tax bill.
24 As far as their total property tax bill, for
25 folks in that area it would be a reduction of one
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1 half of one percent of their overall property tax
2 bill.
3 If you're in the yellow area you're paying
4 currently the 2 cent and 7 cent property tax. The
5 average property value in that area is $70,800 per
6 home. That average person is paying $12.50 per year
7 on their annual property bill for those stormwater
8 services. This proposal would add 3.60 to that, so
9 the average taxpayer in the yellow area would pay
10 $16.10 per year on their annual property tax bill
11 for the proposed stormwater service.
12 As far as the change, that would be a total
13 change of three-tenths of one percent of their
14 overall property tax bill or an increase of three
15 dollars for every thousand dollars of taxes
16 currently paid.
17 Finally, in the red area, this is the area
18 that is paying very little and currently receiving
19 very little services. So the average property value
20 is $266,700. The average person in the red area is
21 currently paying this $10.52 per year for stormwater
22 services on their annual property tax bill.
23 This proposal would add about $50 to that
24 resulting in the average taxpayer in the red area
25 paying MSD about $60 per year on their annual tax
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1 bill for stormwater services we're proposing.
2 Total change in the taxes overall. There
3 would be an overall change in your overall property
4 tax bill of about 1.2 percent. You'll notice that's
5 relatively small. MSD's taxes are relatively minor
6 compared to all the other taxes paid or your
7 property tax bill.
8 So what does this mean in total? Kind of
9 summating it, we've got a chart here. On the
10 left-hand side is assuming bonding authority is
11 granted. The right side is assuming bonding
12 authority is not. If bonding authority is granted,
13 and these are annual costs in Fiscal Year 16, under
14 the current rate cycle the average customer is
15 paying us $522 per year for all the services that
16 MSD provides.
17 With the increases we showed previously of
18 about 10 percent per year, by 2020 the average
19 ratepayer would be paying MSD $771.60 per year for
20 all the services that MSD provides.
21 The right-hand side is assuming that we won't
22 have additional bonding authority from the voters.
23 If we don't, again, $522.54 per year under the
24 current proposal. With the increases we had shown
25 previously, without bonds by 2020 the average
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1 ratepayer on an annual basis would pay MSD $1200 for
2 all the services that MSD provides.
3 The next chart is low income residential. We
4 do have a customer assistance program. We have
5 customers who qualify as low income. There's a
6 customer assistance program that essentially cuts in
7 half your wastewater bill. So if you compare this
8 chart to the previous one you'll find that low
9 income customers pay about one half on an annual
10 basis of what everybody else pays.
11 Anticipated rate process. Again, MSD
12 submitted a Rate Proposal to the Rate Commission on
13 February 26, 2015. There will be a final wastewater
14 increase on July 1, 2015 that was part of our last
15 Rate Commission process. The Rate Commission's
16 recommendations are due to our board by August 2015,
17 August 10th, and then MSD will approve the revenue
18 plan in October through December 2015.
19 So what does that mean? What do we see in
20 the future? There will be two elections that will
21 be in front of the voters in Calendar 2016. One
22 will be wastewater. There will two propositions.
23 One will be are you willing to grant MSD an
24 additional $900 million of bonding authority. If
25 you are, you're schedule will be that one schedule
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1 that we went to at about $60 per month in 2020.
2 If you decide not to grant us additional
3 bonding authority then you will look at the schedule
4 that ends in 2020 of $96 per month for wastewater.
5 It's a decision much like how to buy a house
6 or how to buy a car, whether or not you borrow
7 money. If you borrow money, give us that additional
8 900 million, rates stay lower now but for every
9 dollar you borrow you will have to pay two dollars
10 back sometime in the future.
11 If you decide not to grant additional bonding
12 authority and pay for it in cash, rates go up now
13 but as the program peaks in 2023 or 2024 it starts
14 going down. You have a better opportunity to reduce
15 rates the less we borrow right now. It's a decision
16 folks will have to make. Again, same kind of loan
17 decision they have to make in their regular lives.
18 Also, there will be something on stormwater.
19 The voters will be asked whether or not they want to
20 approve the District-wide 10 cent property tax to
21 pay for stormwater. If they do, the program will
22 look like what I last described. Services will be
23 the same everywhere. Everybody's taxes will be
24 adjusted and everybody will be receiving identical
25 services.
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1 If the voters decide not to pass the 10 cent
2 property tax then things will go back to the way
3 they are. Depending on where you live on that red,
4 yellow, green map would be how much you pay to us
5 and that will also drive the kind of services you
6 receive from MSD.
7 The purpose of tonight is to hear formal
8 comments to the Rate Commission. If you don't have
9 an opportunity tonight or if you know of anybody who
10 would like to give comments to the Rate Commission,
11 besides this evening, you can email Janice Fenton,
12 that's "J" Fenton at S-T-L-M-S-D dot com. She will
13 make sure the Rate Commission gets all comments.
14 Also you can mail them to the secretary to
15 the Rate Commission. 2350 Market Street is our
16 headquarters. If you mail that in we'll also make
17 sure the Rate Commission gets all those comments.
18 There are two flyers that you have. One is
19 called the "Rate Commission Process." This is a
20 summation of the Rate Commission itself. It's their
21 meeting schedules, as well as on the right-hand side
22 there's a bar that shows all the Rate Commission
23 organizations and their representative members.
24 The second one that says, "2015 Rate
25 Commission." One side says, "Wastewater." That's a
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1 summation of the wastewater charges that we're
2 proposing. And the other side says, "Stormwater."
3 You will see the red, yellow, green map.
4 MR. ABDALLA: I don't have one.
5 MR. HOELSCHER: You will now. Somebody
6 is getting you one right now. We are going to get
7 you one of those as well.
8 MR. ABDALLA: All right.
9 MR. HOELSCHER: Those are on our website
10 as well. All of this information is on the website
11 if you want to look at it.
12 With that, MSD's presentation is complete and
13 if the member of the public who is currently in
14 attendance would like to make any comments I believe
15 the Rate Commission would like to open the floor for
16 those comments.
17 MR. TOENJES: Do you have any comments?
18 Now would be the time.
19 MR. ABDALLA: No, I don't have any
20 comments at the moment. I might email.
21 MR. TOENJES: And you have the email
22 address or make sure you get the email address.
23 MR. HOELSCHER: Do you have a copy of
24 the presentation?
25 MR. ABDALLA: Yeah, I have a copy.
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1 MR. HOELSCHER: Okay.
2 MR. TOENJES: Okay. Hearing no
3 questions from the public then or no comments, do
4 the Rate Commissioners have any questions or
5 comments? Ms. Bowser? Mr. Hawes?
6 MR. HAWES: No.
7 MR. TOENJES: All right. Hearing none,
8 I will thank everyone here for their participation
9 this evening. The next public hearing will be
10 conducted tomorrow night, May 27th at 6 p.m. at
11 Wildwood City Hall. This public hearing is
12 adjourned.
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1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
2 I, Suzanne Zes, within and for the State
3 of Missouri, do hereby certify that the witness
4 whose testimony appears in the foregoing deposition
5 was duly sworn by me; the testimony of said witness
6 was taken by me to the best of my ability and
7 thereafter reduced to typewriting under my
8 direction; that I am neither counsel for, related
9 to, nor employed by any of the parties to the action
10 in which this deposition was taken, and further that
11 I am not a relative or employee of any attorney or
12 counsel employed by the parties thereto, nor
13 financially or otherwise interested in the outcome
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