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HomeMy Public PortalAboutExhibit MSD 123 - Transcript of June 9, 2015 Public Hearing PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 THE METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT 9 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT & REPLACEMENT PROGRAM 10 11 FY17 TO 20 STORMWATER PROJECTS 12 PUBLIC HEARING 13 JUNE 9, 2015 14 9:00 AM - 9:50 AM 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 2 1 I N D E X 2 PAGE 3 Opening Remarks 5 4 Presentation 10 5 Comments 42 6 Meeting Adjourned 43 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 THE METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT 10 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT & REPLACEMENT PROGRAM 11 12 FY17 TO 20 STORMWATER PROJECTS 13 PUBLIC HEARING 14 JUNE 9, 2015 15 9:00 AM - 9:50 AM 16 17 18 19 20 Kathleen Watson Brunsmann 21 CSR, CCR, CRR, RPR 22 Midwest Litigation Services 23 711 North 11th Street 24 St. Louis, Missouri 63101 25 314.644.2191 PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 4 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 PRESIDING RATE COMMISSIONER: Mr. Leonard J. Toenjes 4 RATE COMMISSIONER MEMBER: Mr. Chan Mahanta 5 RATE COMMISSIONER MEMBER: Mr. Steve Mahfood 6 7 8 METROPOLITAN ST. LOUIS SEWER DISTRICT: 9 10 Mr. Brian L. Hoelscher, P.E. 11 Executive Director 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 5 1 (Wherein, the following proceedings 2 were had of record, to-wit: 3 MR. TOENJES: Good morning, I'm Len 4 Toenjes, Chair of the Metropolitan St. Louis Sewer 5 District Rate Commission and I will be presiding 6 over the public hearing this morning. 7 With me is the following Rate 8 Commission Members, Mr. Chan Mahanta. 9 MR. MAHANTA: Chan Mahanta. 10 MR. TOENJES: Chad Mahanta. Thank you. 11 The Charter Plan of the District was 12 amended at a general election on November 7th, 2000, 13 and established the Rate Commission to review and 14 make recommendations to the District regarding 15 changes in wastewater rates, stormwater rates, and 16 tax rates proposed by the District. 17 The Charter Plan requires the MSD Board 18 of Trustees to select organizations to ensure a fair 19 representation of all users of the District's 20 services on the Rate Commission. The Rate 21 Commission representative organizations are to 22 represent commercial-industrial users, residential 23 users, and other organizations interested in the 24 operation of the District, including organizations 25 focusing on environmental issues, labor issues, PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 6 1 socioeconomic issues, community neighborhood 2 organizations, and other non-profit organizations. 3 The MSD Rate Commission currently consists of 15 4 members from organizations and institutions 5 throughout St. Louis City and County. 6 On February 26th, 2015, the Rate 7 Commission received a Rate Change Notice proposing 8 changes to the District's wastewater rates and 9 stormwater rates. The Rate Commission adopted 10 operational rules and a Procedural Schedule to 11 govern the proceedings on March 4th, 2015, and 12 amended its Procedural Schedule on May 20, 2015. 13 Under the Procedural Schedule, as amended, the MSD 14 Rate Commission has until August 10th, 2015, to 15 review and make recommendations to the MSD Board of 16 Trustees as to whether proposed rates should be 17 approved, not approved, or modified with suggested 18 changes and then approved. 19 The MSD Rate Commission has engaged 20 legal counsel and a rate consultant independent of 21 those used by the MSD staff. 22 Under procedural rules adopted by the 23 Rate Commission, as amended, any person affected by 24 the Rate Change Proposal had an opportunity to 25 submit an application to intervene in these PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 7 1 proceedings. Applications to intervene have been 2 filed by the Home Builders Association of St. Louis, 3 and the Missouri Industrial Energy Consumers. These 4 applications have been granted. 5 Since February 26th, 2015, the Rate 6 Commission has received testimony from MSD staff. 7 The parties have also engaged in discovery requests. 8 Additional testimony from the Intervenors and the 9 Rate Consultant will be filed. Technical 10 conferences were held on April 8th and May 20th, 11 2015, and are planned for June 17th, 2015, where the 12 participants and the Rate Commission are given an 13 opportunity to ask questions of those submitting 14 testimony. 15 A Prehearing Conference for the purpose 16 of identifying any issues raised by the Rate Setting 17 Documents and the prepared testimony previously 18 submitted will be conducted on the record on June 19 26th, 2015. All persons submitting testimony may 20 participate in the Prehearing Conference, and each 21 participant in the Prehearing Conference shall 22 submit a Prehearing Conference Report describing the 23 issues raised by the Rate Setting Documents and the 24 prepared testimony, together with a brief 25 description of such participant's position, if any, PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 8 1 on each issue and the rationale there for. 2 Ratepayers who do not wish to intervene 3 are permitted to participate in these on-the-record 4 public hearings conducted in ten sessions beginning 5 on May 11th, 2015, and concluding on July 10th, 6 2015. 7 The Rate Commission published a Public 8 Notice regarding these proceedings in the St. Louis 9 Post Dispatch and the St. Louis American. These 10 notices contained the time, dates, and location of 11 each of the conferences and hearings. 12 The Public Hearing Session today is for 13 the purpose of permitting the District to present 14 its wastewater and stormwater Rate Change Proposal, 15 and to permit any ratepayer an opportunity to 16 comment. We will begin with a presentation by the 17 District, followed by a public comment period. 18 Those wishing -- those wishing to speak should sign 19 in on the sheet provided, and will be called on in 20 the order of the names listed thereon. Each 21 ratepayer should identify themselves and any 22 organizations represented by such ratepayer. 23 Housekeeping rules before we begin: 24 If you wish to present testimony, 25 please sign in on the clipboard that is located just PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 9 1 outside the doorway here. 2 Speakers will be recognized in the 3 order in which they sign up. 4 Each ratepayer may have a maximum of 5 ten minutes to speak regarding the proposed rate 6 change. As the presiding officer, I can limit or 7 expand the time should I deem it necessary. 8 Restrooms are located at the end of the 9 corridor to the left. 10 And that concludes the housekeeping. 11 Are there any questions regarding the procedure or 12 the hearing this morning? 13 Mr. Mahfood, we have a special spot 14 here for you. 15 MR. MAHFOOD: Thank you very much. 16 MR. TOENJES: I'll also introduce Mr. 17 Steven Mahfood, an additional rate commissioner here 18 present at the public hearing today. 19 Are there any questions before we 20 proceed? 21 (No response.) 22 MR. TOENJES: Hearing none, is the 23 District ready to proceed? 24 MR. HOELSCHER: Yes, we are, Mr. Chair. 25 MR. TOENJES: Mr. Hoelscher, please PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 10 1 begin your presentation. 2 MR. HOELSCHER: Thank you. I'm Brian 3 Hoelscher, I'm the Executive Director here at MSD. 4 Before we start, we are bringing down copies of the 5 presentation I'm going to make right now, and as 6 they come, I will stop and hand them out to those of 7 the public who are here and the Rate Commission. 8 A couple of things, this is based on a 9 proposal that was submitted to the Rate Commission 10 on February 26th, 2015. After my presentation, 11 there will be time for public comment. We will stop 12 the session and allow, as described by Mr. Toenjes, 13 comments from the public. 14 If you have questions other than just 15 comments for the public record on the Rate Proposal, 16 we have a lot of MSD staff here, we can answer a lot 17 of questions having to do with MSD after this 18 meeting and they'll be available for as long as it 19 takes to answer all the questions that the public 20 may have. 21 There are two drivers, two things we're 22 looking to accomplish. First of all, on wastewater, 23 just to remind everybody, the Capital Program and 24 its costs and its schedule is being driven by a 25 consent decree that was signed with the Department PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 11 1 of Justice and the EPA in April of 2012. The work 2 being done is to be in compliance with that consent 3 decree. That's the primary driver of all the 4 wastewater expenses you'll see. 5 The other has to do with stormwater. 6 You will see us requesting a District-wide 7 stormwater tax to alleviate some irregularities and 8 some inconsistencies with the way we collect 9 revenues and the services we provide throughout the 10 District. Those aren't driven by any regulatory 11 need, those are simply driven by service level needs 12 for our customers. 13 First, remember MSD is two utilities. 14 One, we provide wastewater service. So any water 15 that goes down, used water from sinks, toilets, 16 washing machines, floor drains, go into our pipes, 17 they travel often times through many miles of sewers 18 to one of seven treatment plants. 19 Those treatment plants treat that waste 20 and discharge it to the creeks and streams in 21 compliances with the permits that are issued by the 22 Missouri Department of Natural Resources and the 23 EPA. 24 This service is funded by your monthly 25 storm -- by the monthly waste water bill that all PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 12 1 residents receive -- receive. It is based on the 2 amount of portable water usage you use during the 3 winter months. The idea being that's a reflection 4 of the amount of water that goes down our sewers 5 and, therefore, we don't capture water usage for 6 things such as washing cars or filling swimming 7 pools or watering yards. 8 The second is MSD also provides a 9 stormwater service. Any stormwater that does not 10 soak into the ground or naturally travel to local 11 creeks and streams, MSD provides a storm sewer 12 system, inlets, manholes, paved concrete channels, 13 to conduct that flow through the urban areas and out 14 to the local creeks and streams. 15 We also do, though, address regulatory 16 requirements regarding that runoff, and that has to 17 do with the pollutants that are in stormwater runoff 18 that affects the water quality in creeks and 19 streams. MSD does have a responsibility to address 20 that issue as well. Almost all of the revenues for 21 stormwater came through your annual property tax 22 bill. 23 So again, there's two sources of 24 revenue, two completely different services, and we 25 cannot switch back and forth revenues and use PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 13 1 stormwater revenues for wastewater purposes or 2 wastewater revenues for stormwater purposes. 3 Again, MSD Rate Commission was 4 established in 2000 to provide public input into how 5 MSD sets its rates. 6 There are 15 organizations that 7 represent a cross-section of the community as was 8 previously described. 9 They review all of the proposed rate 10 changes that are charter define parameters that they 11 will review our MSD staff rate proposal. 12 The Rate Commission will then take 13 those recommendations, they will send them to our 14 Board of Trustees, who will do the same type of 15 review of recommendations for the Rate Commission. 16 The Rate Proposal we're sending to the 17 Rate Commission considers MSD rates for fiscal years 18 2017 to 2020, that will be the bills/revenues we 19 collect from July 1, 2016 to June 30th, 2020. 20 Wastewater, I want to first give just 21 some information on the current wastewater rates. 22 Under the current rate proposal that 23 we're under right now, which we're charging our 24 revenues, there was an anticipation that we would 25 have to appropriate 971 million dollars over those PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 14 1 four years to start capital work to be in compliance 2 with our consent decree. 3 Right now, it appears at the end of 4 fiscal 16, that would be June 30th, 2016, plan on 5 appropriating about 890 million dollars of capital 6 work. That's about 95 percent of planned. That is 7 good. MSD is on schedule and under budget for the 8 work that needs to be done in compliance with 9 consent decree. 10 The reduction in the cost of the 11 program has to do with some costs savings identified 12 during construction and during the design, as well 13 as some significant -- significantly good prices we 14 are getting from our the contracting community right 15 now. 16 On the Operation and Maintenance side, 17 same thing. We are on time. We are on budget. 18 There are Operation and Maintenance activities that 19 are also governed by the consent decree and the 20 production targets are governed by the consent 21 decree. 22 The last rate proposal we anticipated 23 needing revenues of 716 million dollars to pay for 24 those operation and maintenance activities over 25 these current four years. Right now we're PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 15 1 anticipating we will spend 700 million dollars. 2 The wastewater operation, what those 3 accomplishments are, besides running the treatment 4 plants and pump stations, is inspection of 62,000 5 manholes, rehabilitation of 6600 manholes, 6 inspection of 1900 miles of sewers. That has 7 resulted in a significant decrease in the amount of 8 overflows in MSD's system. 9 Based on two similar storms in a 10 similar part of the District, one prior to starting 11 this work and one after. Right now we're 12 anticipating we've seen a 66 percent reduction in 13 basement backups since our cleaning program and our 14 Operation and Maintenance program has begun. 15 Proposal. Proposed wastewater rate 16 change, those drivers. Again, it's called MSD 17 Project Clear, it is to meet our regulatory 18 requirements. 19 One of the biggest things, most 20 important things we need to do is get the rain out 21 of the system. This is a wet weather issue on the 22 wastewater side. When it isn't raining, like today, 23 unless the pipe has collapsed or somebody has 24 flushed grease down the pipe to block it, all the 25 wastewater goes into our pipes, all the wastewater PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 16 1 goes to the treatment plants, and all the wastewater 2 gets treated before being discharged in our creeks 3 and streams. We don't have overflow to the capacity 4 that happens during non-rain events. Our issue is 5 that stormwater is getting into the system, either 6 too much or where it's not supposed to get in. 7 The idea is to eliminate that problem. 8 Stormwater gets into our wastewater sewers, it 9 causes them to overcharge to the environment or to 10 the individual homes, also it combines sewer 11 systems. By reducing the amount of stormwater that 12 gets into those systems, we can reduce the amount of 13 overflows that go to the environment. 14 The second part is repair and 15 maintenance of the system. We need to continuously 16 provide repair and maintenance on a schedule to make 17 sure our pipes will last for a long time. We do 18 have sewer systems that were built in the 1850s that 19 are still working, but those systems do need 20 rehabilitation so they continue to work and avoid 21 any kind of expensive repair later on during 22 failure. Also, in some of these instances we will 23 have to build system improvements. 24 We want to do this work in a 25 financially responsible manner and maintain the PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 17 1 financial stability of MSD. We're doing this by 2 monitoring our Bond rating. Currently, MSD has a 3 Triple A Bond rating with Standard & Poor's and a 4 double A one and double A plus with Fitch and 5 Moody's, bond rating agencies. 6 The proposal you'll see, there's a long 7 term analysis that's included in the Rate Proposal, 8 and the idea is for us to -- the plan is to not go 9 below the parameters as we currently understand them 10 so our bond rating never goes below double A. 11 Double A bond rating is currently the industry 12 standard for utilities that are in our situation to 13 address consent decree type issues. 14 What does the Capital Program look like 15 over the next four fiscal years? This is a schedule 16 that shows when we will start the capital work. 330 17 million dollars in 2017, 440 million dollars 18 starting in 2020, totaling 1.5 billion dollars. 19 We anticipate needing 736 million 20 dollars of revenue for Operation and Maintenance and 21 477 million dollars in debt service. That is for 22 past bond sales, that debt service, as well as the 23 planned bonds that we are going to ask the rate 24 payers to approve for this next four-year cycle. 25 And the debt service is associated with those during PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 18 1 fiscals 2017 to 2020. 2 How will we use the debt? We'll fund 3 the next four years through a combination of cash 4 and bonds. Right now we're anticipating for that 5 1.1 billion dollar program, 415 million dollars of 6 it being paid for in cash. That is taking the funds 7 that directly -- that come to us that you pay on 8 your monthly bill and applying those to capital 9 projects as we get the money. 10 The rest is to be bond financed and 11 we're anticipating funding 1.1 billion dollars of 12 that 1.5 billion with bonding. Right now we have 13 200 million dollars of bond authorization that's 14 left over from the current cycle, so therefore we 15 would have to ask the ratepayers to approve an 16 authorization of an additional 900 million dollars 17 worth of bonding. That would bring our total debt 18 authorization to 2.62 billion dollars. 19 Remember that all of the debt that we 20 take through bonds is used on capital projects. 21 It's not used for Operation and Maintenance. 22 As a matter of fact, if you remember 23 the previous slide, the fact that we are coming 24 under budget for capital, coming under budget in the 25 Operation and Maintenance, any monies left over from PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 19 1 the Capital Program are rolled into the next four 2 years Capital Program. They are not used for 3 Operation and Maintenance. They are used to reduce 4 costs for future Capital Programming. 5 The same with Operation and 6 Maintenance, any monies left over go into the next 7 cycle and they provide a pot to start with and 8 reduce rates using those funds for Operation and 9 Maintenance. 10 What do you get in the wastewater 11 proposal? There's 600 planned projects in planning, 12 design and construction, 230 of those are 13 construction projects. During that four-year 14 period, they will move 39 sanitary sewer overflows 15 as a separate sanitary system and start the design 16 of 24 miles of storage and conveyance tunnels. 17 As I mentioned earlier, the first 18 target is to try and prevent the stormwater from 19 getting into the system. Doing that, as opposed to 20 building larger facilities, it's four to five times 21 cheaper to keep the stormwater out ahead of time 22 than to make larger facilities. 23 In some cases, though, that's not 24 sufficient. So we do have some places in the system 25 where we will build storage, we'll allow those PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 20 1 overflows to happen into a storage tunnel or a 2 storage chamber, wait until the storm is over, and 3 then takes not captured flows and run them through 4 the treatment plants for treatment, so it is another 5 method of accomplishing the same purpose. 6 What are the wastewater projects? We 7 will get you a copy of this presentation before the 8 end of it, I promise that. This is a map showing 9 where all of the projects, all the wastewater 10 projects are at. In this map, there's the five 11 digit number that expresses the projects that are 12 being done. 13 You notice the reference in the lower 14 left-hand Appendix 7.2.2, all of this information is 15 currently on the website as part of our Rate 16 Proposal. If you go to MSD's web site at 17 www.stl.com and take a look at the Rate Proposal, 18 you'll see this information here. 19 What you will also find -- and we have 20 a copy of that map up here to my right. Within that 21 Rate Proposal, you'll see what those numbers are, 22 you can see them here today. Also on our Rate 23 Proposal is a spread sheet listing all the projects 24 that we are proposing for over the next four years. 25 Within that spread sheet is the problem PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 21 1 we're solving, how we will solve the problem, what 2 the cost is, and what fiscal year we plan on 3 starting the project. 4 For today, we do have a copy of that 5 spread sheet here, so if you'd like to take a look 6 at it after the presentation, feel free to do so, 7 but remember, all this information since we 8 submitted the rate proposal available on our 9 website. 10 Operation and Maintenance. Again, 11 besides the Operation and Maintenance of our seven 12 large treatment plants and the pump stations, what 13 we'll also accomplish is an inspection of $60,000.00 14 manholes, rehabilitation of 6,000 manholes, 15 inspection of 1600 miles of sewer with closed 16 circuit TV. These are cameras we run down the 17 system. Cleaning of 3800 miles of sewers and 18 rehabilitation of 360 miles of sewer. 19 How will it be paid for? That will be 20 up to the voters. If you take a look at the 21 left-hand column up on the screen, this option is 22 assuming that ratepayers allow MSD an additional 900 23 million dollars of bond and authority. 24 If they do, we will start 1 .5 billion 25 dollars worth of capital work, as I previously PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 22 1 described, and this is a chart of the average single 2 family wastewater sewer bill. Your monthly bill. 3 Coming July 1 of 2015, this year, under 4 the current rate cycle, the cost, the average cost 5 for a customer will be $40.72 per month. If 6 additional bond authorization -- bond authorization 7 is allowed by the voters, that will go up to $60.86 8 in 2020, about a 50 percent overall increase. 9 Where are the current rates throughout 10 the country? It depends where you are and whether 11 or not the EPA has, the Department of Justice has 12 taken a look at you. Right now throughout the 13 country, folks are paying anywhere between 15 and 14 $135.00 a month for its water service. I just used 15 currently somewhere in the middle. 16 If you take a look at the right where 17 voters reject bonds, this is Option B. The voters 18 may decide they do not want to authorize any 19 additional bond authority. 20 And I am going to stop right now and if 21 anybody -- are those the presentations? Anybody 22 with the public would like a copy of this, this is a 23 good chart for us to get started on, and you can 24 turn to page 13, as soon as everybody indicates 25 they're there, I will continue. So we'll wait for PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 23 1 just a second. 2 (Off the record.) 3 MR. HOELSCHER: Okay. If you go to 4 slide 13, on the right-hand column, the voters 5 reject bonds, Option B. The voters have the right 6 to decide not to authorize any bonding authority. 7 If they do, we still have to do the 8 1 -- start at 1.5 billion dollars worth of capital 9 work during that four year period to meet the 10 consent decree that was filed by the Department of 11 Justice and the EPA. 12 Again, in fiscal 16, the current year, 13 starting July 1, 2015, the average wastewater bill 14 for our customers will be $40.72. Fiscal 17 the 15 cost per month looks the same as the previous 16 scenario, that's because we are using up the 17 bonding -- the remaining bonding capacity already 18 approved by the voters. 19 After that, we will pay for the capital 20 with cash, the monthly bills. That will require 21 that the average monthly bill for our ratepayers by 22 2020, it goes up to $96.00 per month. 23 That was wastewater, now we'll talk 24 stormwater. I want to talk about current stormwater 25 services and funding. This is a map of the PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 24 1 District. If you look to the east or right, it's 2 the Mississippi River, to the north is the Missouri 3 River, to the south wiggling in and out is the 4 Meramec River along Jefferson County, and to the 5 west, as far as we go out into St. Louis County, is 6 about Highway 109 in Wildwood. That's the limits of 7 the District's boundaries. 8 What stormwater funding we collect 9 there varies depending on where you live. If you 10 live in the red area, right now MSD collects 11 twenty-four cents per month monthly fee, as well as 12 charges of a two cent property tax. 13 With those revenues, we comply with all 14 state, local, and federal regulatory compliance for 15 stormwater that has to do with making sure that new 16 development doesn't come in and cause additional 17 flows, we require them to retain flows so that they 18 don't increase the flows due to the pervious area. 19 It also allows us to address the issue of pollutants 20 and stormwater runoff in compliance with the permit 21 that the area is under. MSD serves as a policeman 22 or a permitting authority for that. 23 It allows us to collect that and track 24 stormwater issues, and it also allows us to provide 25 emergency response. For MSD, emergency response is PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 25 1 something such as erosion causing such a problem 2 somebody's owes home is ready to drop in the creek, 3 or a system is not allowed to work and it's going to 4 cause flooding on the next storm. Those are the 5 issues we'll address. Other than that, we have no 6 additional funding. 7 If you live in the yellow area, and 8 you'll notice there's a blue line that runs just 9 inside that yellow area, that's the City of St. 10 Louis boundary. So the yellow area primarily is the 11 City of St. Louis, near North, West and South 12 County. In that area, they pay the twenty-four cent 13 fee, they pay the two cent property tax, but they 14 pay an additional seven cent property tax. That 15 means we can do all the regulatory work that I 16 previously described, but that extra seven cent tax 17 allows us to pretty well provide Operation and 18 Maintenance for the existing storm sewer system, 19 inlets, manholes, paved channels. 20 In neither the yellow or the pink are 21 we able to do capital projects to address things 22 such as flooding or erosion. That's not permitted. 23 We don't have funding to address those. 24 However, if you live in the green area, 25 you pay a twenty-four cent fee, two cent property PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 26 1 tax, a seven cent property tax, and up to an 2 additional ten cent property tax. We're able to do 3 all the regulatory work, we're able to maintain, 4 operate and maintain the public storm sewer system. 5 It also provides money to do capital projects to 6 address other stormwater issues, such as erosion or 7 flooding. So if you hear MSD doing any of those 8 projects being done in that green area with revenues 9 being collected. 10 That green area represents about 21 11 different tax and subdistricts. Whatever 12 subdistrict we collect monies out of, we spend them 13 back in that subdistrict. We cannot exchange money 14 throughout those subdistricts in the green area. 15 So what does that mean for the average 16 cost per customer? Based on the average value of a 17 home, if you live in the red area and you're paying 18 the twenty-four cents fee and the two cent property 19 tax, the average customer primarily through their 20 annual property tax bill was paying MSD $8.00 per 21 year for the stormwater services they're receiving. 22 If you live in the yellow area and 23 you're getting the regulatory work, plus we're able 24 to maintain the public storm sewer system, you're 25 paying a twenty-four cent fee, two cent property PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 27 1 tax, seven cent property tax. For the average 2 District property owner, mostly on their annual 3 property tax bill, it's a cost of about $26.00 per 4 year for stormwater services. 5 If you live in the green area, you're 6 receiving the regulatory work, the Operation and 7 Maintenance of the storm sewers, and we're able to 8 do some projects to alleviate other stormwater 9 issues, and you're paying the twenty-four cent fee, 10 two cent property tax, seven cent property tax, and 11 up to another ten cent property tax, the average 12 customer primarily on their annual property tax bill 13 is paying MSD $53.00 per year for that service. 14 What I'm going to do now is take a 15 couple of slides and explain what single issue MSD 16 is trying to resolve with this proposal. 17 If you look on this chart, you notice 18 the entire area is paying a two cent property tax, 19 and so if you see in the upper right-hand corner, 20 we've got the entire District boundaries colored in 21 pink. With that, it ensures compliance with all the 22 local, state, and federal stormwater regulations. 23 Again, that's plan review and permitting. It 24 addresses any increases in water volume, it 25 addresses runoff, pollutants associated with PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 28 1 stormwater runoff, and their impact on our local 2 creeks and streams. We do a lot of that primarily 3 through a code permitting process with MSD and 60 4 municipalities in the area. We all have various 5 activities we perform to meet that permit. It 6 allows to do complaint investigation and collect 7 data on where stormwater issues are. It also allows 8 us to respond to emergencies, and critical health 9 and safety situations. 10 This is a representation of the 11 facilities that are served by those services. If 12 you look on those blue lines, those are all creeks 13 within MSD boundaries. There are 1154 miles of 14 creeks. Those are what we're protecting with the 15 activities I mentioned, either increase in volume or 16 the stormwater -- the pollutants in stormwater that 17 affect the water quality of those creeks and 18 streams. 19 Also, you will see green dots. There's 20 2,638 of those. Those are basins. Those may either 21 be your typical stormwater detention basins, or 22 basins such as rain guards and those types of things 23 to help assist with control of pollutants that are 24 in stormwater runoff. 25 MSD serves as a policing permitting PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 29 1 authority for those facilities. We don't maintain 2 any of them, but we do have requirements with regard 3 to monitoring and providing regulations for new 4 development and their impact on that area. All of 5 that work is currently funded through the two cent 6 property tax. 7 This next slide is a representation of 8 what is not funded. Black lines you see there are 9 representation of MSD's public storm sewer system. 10 It's approximately 1363 miles of storm sewer in that 11 area. The Operation and Maintenance of those storm 12 sewers are not currently funded. They are MSD's, 13 they represent approximately one half of the public 14 storm sewer system that MSD owns, but they're 15 currently is not any funding to operate and maintain 16 those. 17 If an inlet is busted, we cannot 18 replace it. If an open joint in a storm sewer 19 causes a sink hole in somebody's back yard, we'll 20 fix the sink hole, but we don't have money to fix 21 the pipe. And if a discharge of storm sewer, 22 erosion or some problems with the discharge in the 23 local creek or stream or somebody's back yard, we 24 can't address those issues. We just do some quick 25 patchwork. PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 30 1 So that work is currently not funded. 2 MSD is looking for two things. One is to get the 3 funding necessary in order to operate and maintain 4 these systems. The second part is if you live in 5 this area, this is the red area that was on the 6 original map, there is no payment for the operation 7 and maintenance of MSD's public storm system 8 anywhere in our District. 9 You used and benefited from MSD's 10 public storm system to get here today. Probably the 11 biggest thing the storm sewer system does is take 12 water from streets, conveys it and gets it to local 13 creeks and streams so those roadways operate 14 properly. 15 MSD is looking to find a way to collect 16 revenues from everybody who uses that system to 17 provide Operation and Maintenance for the public 18 storm sewer system District-wide. 19 So what does the proposed program look 20 like? What MSD is going to propose is a ten cent 21 District-wide property tax to replace the current 22 system of collecting taxes. With that, we're 23 anticipating four years of Operation and Maintenance 24 expense of about 91 million dollars, and a six year 25 program from fiscal -- from this year to 2020 of PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 31 1 just under a hundred million dollars. 2 Again, what is driving that? It is a 3 necessity to be able to maintain the public storm 4 sewer system. One half of our public storm sewer is 5 currently not funded. And it does for the first 6 time initiate some limited capital monies to address 7 other stormwater problems that are not part of the 8 public storm sewer system District-wide. Again, 9 things such as flooding and erosion. 10 So what is the proposed stormwater 11 operating costs? The last year, the current cycle 12 under our current service level, we're anticipating 13 expenditures of 16 million dollars in 2016 to pay 14 for the Operation and Maintenance of about one half 15 of our system. That goes up to about 22 to 23 16 million dollars or a little under a 50 percent 17 increase over these four years. 18 That 50 percent increase will allow us 19 to operate and maintain the system double the size 20 of what we currently operate and maintain. There 21 are some economies of scale being able to take on 22 that extra system, so the costs don't double, they 23 go up a little under 50 percent to operate and 24 maintain the entire system. 25 There will also be projects associated PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 32 1 with the Rate Proposal. I'm going to go down each 2 one of these individually. Again, each one of these 3 has a number in the little circles. Those numbers 4 refer to a project. You can either go to our Rate 5 Proposal that's on-line, we actually have copies of 6 it here, or we have a reproduction over here on my 7 left of that same map. The map with the projects. 8 Also, we have a spread sheet that goes with that 9 that shows what problems we're resolving, what the 10 solution is, what the cost is, and what you will 11 anticipate starting the project. 12 So if you're in the green area, we have 13 identified 64 projects worth about 25 billion 14 dollars. The funding for these comes from that 15 extra ten cent tax to be paid by folks in the green 16 area. 17 Under either scenario, most of this 18 work will get done anyway because we're currently 19 collecting those funds. Some of it would not be 20 done because some of the new tax is currently 21 alleviating -- some of that tax reflected actually 22 goes toward Operation and Maintenance and not 23 capital work. But essentially for the projects you 24 see there, we can build under either scenario. 25 If you're in the yellow area, where PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 33 1 we've never built any capital projects to alleviate 2 flooding or erosion, we've identified 47 projects 3 worth about 17 and a half million dollars. About 4 half that dollar value is in the City of St. Louis, 5 the other half is in near North, West, and South 6 County. 7 Those monies come from a change in the 8 current accounting that's required under the current 9 funding. There are restrictions on the monies we 10 currently collect. This ten cent wide property tax 11 will eliminate those, and will take monies collected 12 in that yellow area and spend them just in that 13 yellow area this one time for capital projects. 14 In the red area, we've identified 59 15 projects worth seven and a half million dollars. 16 The money from this comes from the new ten cent 17 property tax. Right now we're anticipating just 18 under nine cents of that tax is needed for Operation 19 and Maintenance. The balance we are committing to 20 doing capital projects District-wide to resolve 21 flooding and erosion issues. 22 For this four year period, they all 23 happen to be in the red area. Again, this 24 evaluation would be done District-wide, however with 25 the current funding that's available, the yellow and PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 34 1 red area, all the high priority projects for this 2 four-year period are in that red area. 3 For every stormwater projet, MSD does a 4 cost benefit analysis. They take the value of the 5 benefit, they divide it by the cost, and the highest 6 numbers get funding first. That's the scenario 7 that's a calculation we did to come up with these 8 projects. 9 The next slide is what happens with all 10 the existing taxes and the revenue. If you're in 11 the green area and you're paying that extra five to 12 ten cent property tax, MSD will set that tax rate at 13 zero. It will no longer collect that property tax. 14 For the yellow tax, that's paid for the 15 yellow and green area, the seven cent property tax, 16 it will be replaced with the new ten cent property 17 tax, it will go away. The District-wide regulatory 18 tax of two cents will stay in place. Right now that 19 funds our current commitment with regard to 20 stormwater regulatory issues. It's properly funded 21 and we're not proposing any changes for that two 22 cent tax. We would also then implement, or propose 23 to implement a based on the vote of the people a ten 24 cent wide property tax for District-wide stormwater 25 services. Also, the twenty-four cent per month PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 35 1 monthly charge that's on everybody's wastewater bill 2 for stormwater services District-wide, that will 3 also be replaced by the ten cent tax and no longer 4 be collected. 5 So what is the impact? The actual 6 dollar impact on individuals? It depends on where 7 you live. We'll start with that green area, the 8 area between the city and 270 approximately. If you 9 remember, currently they're paying the twenty-four 10 cent fee, two cent property tax, seven cent property 11 tax, and ten cent property tax. 12 Based on an average property valuation, 13 that green area of just over a hundred and 14 eighty-four thousand dollars per property, the 15 average person on their annual property tax bill 16 pays MSD about $62.00 per year for stormwater 17 service. 18 If the proposed rate goes in place, 19 turning off some taxes, starting others, that total 20 will go down to about $42.00 per year, for about a 21 one third decrease. $20.00 per year decrease. 22 As far as the overall property tax bill 23 for the average customer living in that area, your 24 overall property tax bill would go down one half of 25 one percent. MSD's charge is a very minor part of PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 36 1 everybody's annual property tax bills, therefore the 2 impact on the overall property tax bill is fairly 3 minor. 4 If you live in any of the yellow area, 5 you're paying the two cent -- seven cent property 6 tax, the average property value in those areas are 7 $70,800.00. The average customer on their annual 8 property tax bill right now is paying $12.50 per 9 year. Under the proposed change for the average 10 property taxpayer that would go up $3.60 per year, 11 resulting in an average annual property tax bill for 12 stormwater services of $16.10 per year. 13 Again, change in overall property tax, 14 that would be an increase for those folks of about 15 three tenths of one percent, or an increase of $3.00 16 for every thousand dollars of property tax they 17 currently pay. 18 Finally, if you live in the red area, 19 if you recall there is very little services 20 currently provided in the red area, therefore they 21 see the biggest impact. They currently pay a two 22 cent property tax. The average property value in 23 the red area is $266,700.00. Based on that rate, 24 the average person on their average annual property 25 tax bill pays MSD about $10.50 per year for PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 37 1 stormwater services. 2 With the proposed ten cent tax 3 increase, that would increase that by about $50.00, 4 resulting in the average customer paying $60.60 per 5 year on their average -- on their annual property 6 tax bill for stormwater services. As far as your 7 overall property tax bill, for the average customer 8 that's an increase of 1.2 percent on your average 9 annual property tax bill. 10 So what is the total impact to 11 customers? On slide 30. There's two columns here, 12 the one on the left is assuming that the voters 13 authorize additional bonding authority and the one 14 on the right is assuming they do not. 15 So on the left-hand side with new 16 bonding, you see the total annual cost for a 17 customer is currently in 2016 will be about $522.00 18 per year for all of MSD's services. If the two 19 proposals I indicated go through with bonding, that 20 will go up to $771.00 per year in 2020 for all of 21 the services that MSD provides. 22 The right-hand column is assuming the 23 voters do not authorize additional bonding 24 authority. Again, 2016 the cost for the average 25 customer will be $522.00 per year for all the PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 38 1 services MSD provides. By 2020, that would go up to 2 just under $1200.00 per year for the average 3 customer, again for all the services that MSD 4 provides. 5 Slide 31 is just an indication that we 6 do have a customer assistance program for low-income 7 individuals. What happens is your wastewater bill 8 is cut in half if you qualify for low income. 9 If you compare this to the previous 10 chart, they are identical, the two columns, you will 11 note that the cost per year is about one half of 12 what you saw in the previous column, and that's 13 reflective of one half of the wastewater rate being 14 collected. 15 So what will happen in the future? 16 Again, MSD submitted -- its staff submitted its 17 proposal to the Rate Commission on February 26th, 18 2015. There will be an increase on July 1 of 2015 19 under the current rate structure, that will bring us 20 to those 2016 numbers that you saw on the chart I 21 previously showed you. The Rate Commission will 22 evaluate MSD's staff's proposal and make a 23 recommendation to our board by August 10th, 2015. 24 Our board will take the Rate 25 Commission's Proposal, they will spend October PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 39 1 through November reviewing that Proposal and 2 evaluate it in the same way that the Rate Commission 3 did their evaluation of MSD's proposal, and they 4 will come up with a decision by December of 2015. 5 What happens after that? Two things. 6 There will be have to be two votes by the public. 7 On the wastewater side, it's whether or not to 8 appropriate 900 -- or authorize an additional 900 9 million dollars worth of bonding authority to MSD 10 for its future program. That vote will occur some 11 time in 2016. 12 The voters will have a decision that if 13 they do want to authorize an additional 900 million 14 dollars in bonding authority, you'll be on that rate 15 schedule, the one that starts about $40.00 a month 16 and goes to $60.00 a month. If they do not 17 authorize additional bonding authority, rates will 18 go from that $40.00 per month in 2016 to the charge 19 showing rates going to on an average month of $96.00 20 per month. 21 It will be up to the ratepayers. It's 22 much like the decision you make on whether to borrow 23 money or not. If you do authorize additional 24 bonding authority, it will keep the rates lower for 25 now, however some time in the future for every PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 40 1 dollar we borrow you will have to pay $2.00 back in 2 the future as we pay off the interest expense on the 3 loans. 4 You may decide -- the ratepayers may 5 decide that they do not want to vote for the bonding 6 authority. If they do, prices go up significantly 7 more than they do on the bonding scenario, but in 8 future years you have better opportunities to lower 9 rates faster because you do not have debt service. 10 It will be up to the ratepayers to decide what the 11 appropriate way to pay for wastewater is. 12 There will also be a vote for 13 stormwater. And that will be whether or not the 14 voters want to approve a ten cent District-wide 15 stormwater tax to pay for District-wide stormwater 16 services. 17 If the voters decide to pay the ten 18 cent -- to put the ten cent tax in place, we will 19 have that new program I showed with District-wide 20 and District-wide capital projects to address 21 erosion and flooding. 22 If the voters decide not to approve the 23 ten cent District-wide stormwater tax, the revenues 24 we collect and the service levels will stay the 25 same. If you remember the red, yellow, green map, PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 41 1 the different sets of services, those will stay in 2 place and we will continue providing you different 3 set of services throughout the District depending on 4 where you live. It will be up to the voters. 5 We don't know when the 2016 those votes 6 are. We have to work that out yet and schedule it 7 with -- consider everything else that may be going 8 on in 2016, however prior to any vote MSD staff will 9 go out, we will not advocate one position or the 10 other, but we will provide educational presentations 11 to let folks know what happens if you vote yes and 12 what happens if you vote no. 13 In just a minute I'm going to open the 14 floor up for comment. You have the ability to put 15 comments on the public record today. If not, you 16 can also submit comments to the Rate Commission. If 17 you want to email, you can email Janice Fenton at 18 stlmsd.com. Send her your comments. We will make 19 sure those get put into the record and the Rate 20 Commission has access to those. Or if you would 21 like to mail your comments, you can also mail them 22 to the 2350 Market Street address in care of Eric 23 Schneider, Secretary of the Rate Commission. We 24 will also make sure that they will be included in 25 the process. PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 42 1 I want to point out there's two 2 handouts that are in addition to this. One is 3 entitled MSD Rate Commission. That is information 4 on the Rate Commission, that's probably the piece 5 that you don't have. Along the right-hand side is 6 the blue bar, and those are the 15 organizations who 7 are on our Rate Commission, and who the individuals 8 are that are representing those organizations. It 9 also gives you a sense of the Rate Commission 10 process. 11 The other document says 2015 MSD Rate 12 Proposal. It has two sides, one is a synopsis of 13 the wastewater rates that I previously discussed. 14 On the back side where it says stormwater, you'll 15 see that red, yellow, green map, and it's the 16 synopsis for two options for stormwater that I just 17 previously presented. 18 So with that, if the Rate Commission 19 would like to open the floor to any public comment. 20 MR. TOENJES: Let me ask if any of the 21 Rate Commissions have any questions. 22 MR. MAHANTA: No. 23 MR. TOENJES: Barry Leibman. 24 MR. BARRY LEIBMAN: Actually I'm a 25 member of the Missouri Collision for the Environment PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 43 1 and came to educate myself and listen to what is 2 being said. It's been quite educational. Thank 3 you. 4 MR. TOENJES: Thank you for being here. 5 Hearing no questions and no additional 6 comments, we will consider the public hearing 7 closed. I thank everyone for being here, thank 8 everybody for their participation. 9 Our next public hearing and final 10 public hearing will be conducted July 10th, 2015, at 11 nine AM here in this room. The public hearing is 12 now adjourned. 13 (Adjourned.) 14 (WHEREIN, the hearing was concluded at 15 9:50 AM.) 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 PUBLIC HEARING 6/9/2015 www.midwestlitigation.com Phone: 1.800.280.3376 Fax: 314.644.1334 MIDWEST LITIGATION SERVICES Page 44 1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER 2 STATE OF MISSOURI ) ) ss. 3 CITY OF ST. 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