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Viaking a Dress or Ba g a Pie?
VaIIey Agent Shows Girls How
By FRANCES COSKI
D O N N E L L Y—M,rs. Pansy
Scheline, whose home econom-
ics -trained students have won
district, state and national con-
tests, has completed 15 years of
4-H' instructional activities and
is eager to work at least that
many more. She also spent 11 bf
those years teaching here and
at Cascade.
, Home demonstration agent
for all of Valley County, Mrs.
Scheline pioneered 4-H work in
this area, helped Mrs. Edwin
Green to start the hot lunch
program in the Donnelly -McCall
High School, Her friends say
that she has been responsible
for shaping young lives by im-
parting the knowledge she ob-
tained from experience, deter-
mination and hard work, by the
desire to be a good mother,
while at the same time helping
others.,
Following her husband's death
'several years ago, Mrs. Scheline
became the first home demon-
stration agent, appointed by the
U of I Board of Regents. She
works directly with extension
clubs, 4-H groups and the coun-
ty 4-H council.
She started 4-II work with the
help of Mrs. Green and Mrs.
Vernon Lappins, when her
young daughter, Sharron was
eight. From the original 4-H
group, three girls received their
college home economics degrees,
Mrs. Dale Pline (Ellen Roberts)
of Nampa, Mrs. Roger Williams
(Anita Koskella) of Boise and
Mrs. Scheline's older daughter,
Mrs. Leroy Sundquist (Jane
Scheline) of Coronado, Calif.
The younger daughter, Sharron,
now Mrs. Dennis Dalton who
interrupted her education to be
a IFYE student at Nepal, will
get her home economics degree
at Iowa State University in in-
stitutional management this
year.
Two of Mrs. Scheline's Cas
Cade home economics students
Maxine Mafune and Suzy Bean,
won prizes in a national food
company's bakeoff contest; oth-
ers receiving special help from
their teacher were Sally Cole
and Maurine Goslin.
Mrs. Dalton and Amy Loomis,
another of Mrs. Scheline's stu-
dents, won the National Wool
Growers' make -it -yourself -with -
wool contests and trips to Eu
rope; this year Cheri Moltke
won second in the state
in the same contest, an honor
which Sandra Nortune, WSU
freshman, had won previously.
"These girls not only learned
to sew step by step, they are
taught to cook by using a good
recipe, exact measurements and
applying their own originality,"
Mrs. Scheline noted.
..
MILS. PANSY SCHELIN1, photographed at her desk in the
office, which was built b3 her late husband and belongs to
her. Both extension offices are in the building, as well as
the Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service and
the USDA Soil Const.avation Service.
annual cherry pie baking ( )n-
test at the state fair, comps ed
in the national cont( it, Id
were selected, along w ith Lev-
erly Wallace, another Donnelly
gir14 to go to the National 4-H
Congress in Chicago.
Mrs. Scheline's pupils, who be-
come winners, also include
adults. Mrs. F. E. Kerby of Cas-
cade, who won a regional
grange cooking contest, earned
a trip to the National Grange
session in Win ton -Salem, N. C.
Mrs. Kerby says: "Pansy
helped me a lot with my recipe
d gave me lots of advice. I
( -e her a lot."
Others who have won state
a,id district prizes given by
granges and food companies are
Mrs. Hugh Fulton of Donnelly,
Mrs. Art Bolar of Lakefork and
Mrs. Jack Lloyd of Cascade.
Of the successful 4-H pro-
gram in her county, Mrs. Sche-
line says: "The credit for the
outstanding accomplishments of
this small rural an a goes to
the individuals, their parents
and 4-H leaders, botl: state and
county."
record, of bitter cold and eight feet
of snow from September to
November. As the cattle died, so
did the hopes of many settlers who
had heard about this paradise.
Many left. They were not only cold,
they also found it difficult to make
a living here. Pansy's family
remained, however, settled along
the east side of the valley, where
tubers such as rutabagas and
potatoes could grow. Pansy's
grandfather became the famous
"Snowshoe Davis," delivering
mail to Warren on snowshoes. And
her grandmother, Valeria McFall,
was the renowned "Auntie Mac,"
midwife and soother of various ills
suffered by the settlers. The 'end
her grandparents home3teadei; in
Norwood is now headquarters of
the Ed Cruzen ranch.._
Those early years in the valley's
history were not easy. After sur-
viving the winter of '87, Mrs.
Jensen's grandparents and their
family mingled with Indians who
camped and traded on Gold Fork
and were often in the midst of
"cattle wars" with vigilante
greups of cattlemen who opposed
settlers on their open range. One
memory of those rough and tumble
years was the Ward murder that
occurred "'/a mile down the road,"
according to Pansy. Everyone in
the valley rushed to the site for the
An important part of each day
for most of us is getting the mail,
but Pansy remembered the time
when the train failed to come in for
six weeks. "It was a big deal when
it finally came in. We all got on our
skis to watch it arrive," stated
Mrs. Jensen, recalling the joy of
communicating again with the
"outside world." And she also
passed around a postcard that her
parents received back in 1918 after
they had returned to Missouri. The
writer mentioned that "they've
changed the name of McCall to
Lake Port." Remember that?
And do you remember when
people put straw under the carpet
to keep warm? That was 'way back
when Roseberry had only a brick
yard, a flour mill, a bowling alley,
a creamery, and a pool hall.
Roseberry, for all of you newer
residents, was about where
Donnelly is now. In her presen-
tation, Mrs. Jensen referred to
"My Roseberry," written by
Cynthia Pottinger, now on sale at
the Star -News offices.
Mrs. Jensen's family moved to
Long Valley at about the same
time as the Pottinger family and
she is related to such familiar
names as the Blankenships, the
Coles, and the Boydstuns. Although
Pansy moved away from the area
as a young child, she returned after
MASONIC ORDERS CONVENE
Valeria chapter no. 76 of the
Order of Eastern Star met last
Wednesday evening, presided over
by Worthy Matron Pansy Jensen.
Alice Dunlap will serve as
chairman of the Winter Carnival
snow sculpture and solicited ideas
and assistance during the meeting.
Sharon Eyraud and Harry Grandy
are in charge of the carnival
parade entry and breakfast
and luncheon chairmen for the
winter event are Ellen Sackerman
and Pansy Jensen. Ellen
Sackerman and Adolf Heinrich
celebrated January birthdays and
were honored by all present. A
kitchen shower was held after the
meeting for Norma Rohm, a
Valeria chapter member now
living in Caldwell. Mrs. Rohm lost
her home in a fire and Eastern
Stars assisted by presenting her
with hwsehold items. Refresh-
ments for the evening were served
by Harriett Clark and Nancy
Greaves.
Job's Daughter, Bethel no. 25,
met Monday evening for the first
meeting of Honored Queen Debbie
Yergenson. Members discussed
plans to publicize the dances they
will hold during Winter Carnival
and they will also take part in the
March of Dimes educational
program this weekend.
Subject: Jensen, Pansey
Address:
Date: Way 16, 1973
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Her mother came 1887
8 feet of snow, winter of '88
Where her mother's dads homestead was..
Parents married 1906
Indians camped on Gold Fork
Cattle war in the valley
Her dad homesteaded in 1904,
Father came from Missouri
Her grandmother Mcfbal
Ward murder case
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Side 2
Lake Fork4Creek
Train came into Valley about 1911
She lived in Norwood
Donnelly started after railroad
Poseberry had a brick yard, with a kiln where they made bricks
flour mill, two saloons, dry goods store, pool hall, drug store,
lawyers and doctor and a creamery
Mrs. Boydstun's was a Cole
Her grandmother was a mid -wife
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Norwood mostly Post Office until Lake Fork went on Highway.
ROUGH DRAFT
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May 16, 1973
First part is inaudible.
I. thought this might fit in with my job of Family Living. After all this
is what has been happening in this Valley for a number of years. I don't know
how many of you have read it but last night when I went home I was thinking
about sbme of the things I really should talk abut today and things that
maybe my mother had told me and some of the thins that I remember and
my grandmother talked about, so I thought about rs. Cynthia Pottenger,
and by the way she would be a good speaker, her gook "My Roseberry", I
brought it tonight. She has it for sale and it s about Roseberry and
all the little area around Roseberry. She grew p about the same time my
mother did, she and my mother were about 3 or 4 ,ears apart in age and so
I thought I had all these stories my mother had old me about the Valley,
and we were talking about a little while ago tha no two people ever remember
anything alike. One person can tell something a d another person will tell
something else about it. I have heard different people tell stories, even
my mother's brother and mother didn't tell the s.me story about the same
thing. I was interested to know what your orga ization was about because
one of the things I think we need to do is to b: creative and inquisitive
in order to keep young as you are getting older and some of you younger people
as y ou grow older will need to do this because rather than telling stories
in retrospect, justtell the storyxwitxwnstlxu i;egtxxsximwxexx x±huxfutuxu
$xxtaxwilp(axRxMaiixyxiaxtkaxwayxatxts. I think e should be inquisitive about
our history as it would effect us now or in the future maybe, why a Valley is
the way It is, and I have always had a somethin; about this Valley, I lived here
until I was 5 years oldand then didn't come ba•k until I had finished college,
but it always seemed like home for some reason .nd I think it always has to my
mother, even if she hasn't lived here for years and years because it is something
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that gets you and I always think of that song -Suddenly There is a Valley"
when I come over the hill and come into the Valley. I try to think of it
as how maybe it used to be along time ago where the bunch grass grew tall
and
and the cattle were grazing ix the wild animals and things around in the
valley, and when people first came they settled on the edges of the
Valley along the east -side because things freeze so up here my mother
said, they could maybe some years raise potatoes but most of the gardens
were rudabagoes, carrots and things like this that would grow and not
freeze down. The center of the Valley was grass and they used to cut it
for hay.
I might start back when my mother came. She was two years old when
she came to the Valley, she was born in '86, I think they came in '87. This
was a very mild winter. Some of you older people will remember the winter
that we had here before, the Lake didn't freeze over and we didn't have mash any
snow and it hardly froze all winter except there was a lot of Lain around
Christmas time and I remember that was in 1933 or 1934, so Ynt apparently
it was a winter much like that one and they really thought it was a paradise.
They thought they had really struck heaven, they thought there couldn't be
anything better, so they all wrote back, here and there Iowa, Ohio and every
place where all their friends lived to come we have found paradise, and a lot
of people came, a lot of the old timers you will see and here, Boydston's and
my mothers folks Davis and Blankenship and Pottingers and some of the old timers
came, they came in '87, that is the spring of '88. I think some of you have
beard of the terrible winter of '88, and it wasn't only bad here but it was
bad all over, Montana and everywhere. You read stores about it in History and
in Cynthia's book it tells about the first snowstorm that winter, and mother has
told me, she was too young to remember, but she was told there was 8 feet of snow
that came from the 1st of November to the llth of November, it just snowed, snowed,
d until it went up to the eaves of the house.
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People had cattle, they had brought in cattle and were grazing them and of
course they weren't prepared for winter, they hadn't gotten hay to feed the
cattle so most of the cattle died and they did try to get them out but it
was impossible and finally toward spring
a few of them did shovel a trail
to the slopes on the east side where the snow goes off first and got a
few of them up there and saved some of them, so this is the way it started
out in the Valley, and of course you know what happened then, during that
terrible winter a lot of people left because it just wasn't paradise, there
seemed to be no way to earn a living and so a sorta new set of homesteaders
came in then, after a few of the families
to carry mail and some of the things that
stayed, my mother's Dad stayed
you read about he was known as
Snowshoe Davis, he had the mail route that went, well I don't know just
about where it went cause mother used to talk about him carrying mail, but
he took it into Warren on snowshoes and he went out below and came in and
even in real bad winters so he could bring things back in with him for the
families a little. I know in Cynthia's book she has Davis has the mail
contract. It was sorta funny, she mentioned that some of the fellows were
going out for jobs so they wrote out about them first, well there wasn't
any way to get out except the mail carrier putting it on his back and going
out snowshoeing taking it, so some of the Pottinger's helped with the mail
carrying it. too.
This is what I remember about mother telling about early days, and the
development around, this was in the early settlement. Now if you talk to
some of them, like you talk about Horse Patterson, he would tell you more
about Thunder City and probably down around Cascade, Beaver Meadows and
that area, but people didn't get around then like they do now. It was a
days trip to go to McCall from my mother's Dad's homestead, I don't know
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if you are familiar with that part of the Valley or not, but it was east 9 south
and east of Donnelly out near $oseberry, you know where Goldfork crosses the
highway down below Donnelly, and there is a road that turns off and you go
East and go back over that way, right in there about 2 miles. There is an
old old part of a log cabin that was there and we went over there this suilu«er,
my daughter and her family and we took mother and tore off some old newspapers,
they used to paper the cabins with newspapers you know, it was warmer and
clean and it was dated back in 1890 something, we just could get litt le
bits we couldn't get it off very well, but my mother was married in 1906
and there was one dated before that and we decided mother had helped to
paper the cabin and get it all cleaned up before the wedding, they had a
double wedding, there were 4 of them married there. This was the area that
was settled at that time and there was a saw mill on Goldfork where the
bridge crosses where you go into Little Valley. It was in the 90's when
they had the sawmill, and there used to be a lot of fish come up in Goldfork
and my mother said her oldest brother used to go down and fish and get a
fish that was so big he would carry it over his shoulder and the pail would
be dragging the ground, of course he probably wasn't very big, he never did
get very tall, I don't know how big he was at that time, but the Salmon would
run up the Goldfork and what they call Bull Trout, I don't think there are
any now Voice from the audience, no there aren't any now, after they
built the Dam it stopped the free run of them and they all dissappear.ed from
the stream.
These are the things mother remembers, also the Indians used to come and
camp there on Goldfork and they sold Moccasins, and Cynthia tells in her book
about them coming and trading their moccasins for some of the things that they
had, grain and things like this, and at first they were a little bit freightened
of the Indians but they were nice friendly people and they didn't hurt anybody.
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Another of the things mother talked about was the cattle, the cattle Saar
in the Valley. The people outside, the cattlemen would bring the cattle in
and let them run and the homesteaders were coming in and taking up the valley
so of course they didn't want these cattle coming in and eatting up everything.
They kinda liked to have this open range to cut their hay in the summertime
so they formed some vigilante groups and they had a few little problems,
corraled them a couple of different times and shot a bunch of them. One of
these happened, you know where Annalee Melton lives, you know where the road
turns to go to Paddy Flat on. the Farm to Market Road, well go to Paddy Flat,
it is the house right down the hill by the Farm to Market Road, a square house,
now this used to be Charlie Barker's place and it was his x corral where
they corralled the cattle, I think that was before my Dad came in, in about
1900, and my Dad homesteaded in 1904, so they had a lot of fun trying to
clean their land and of course they had to live on their homesteads and build
a cabin and fence. Well then that was my mother's life when she came in and
she worked and she grew a little older, her mother died when she was 9, there
were 9 children in the family and her mother died in childbirth with the last
child so the family used to go back and forth to Boise with a cart, every s$
summer they would come up and spend the summer in Long Walley and the winter
in Boise and go to school and mother worked over to New Meadows and a lot of
the girls went to work in homes or eatting places where they could cook and
wait tables and so on. I think that is where she met my Dad. We never did
know for sure. I thought maybe I should go ask her but she is a little bit
confused now and I guess she would still remember maybe but anyway Dad came
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from ,t Missouri and my grandmother Mc7 they came about 1904 and my uncle
and my Dad and my grandparents all homesteaded, and they homesteaded, you know
where the road turns west at the mill at Lakefork Creek, you know going to
Donnelly where the mill used to be, there is a road that turns west there just
before you cross the bridge, well you go to the first road south and then you
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go south about not quite a mile and that is where my Dad's homestead was.
Eddie owns it now, there isn't a house there any more. Then on down
the road another mile or so and off west of the road was where my grandmother's
homestead and my uncles was. That was where grandmother McFall lived. I
don't know when they moved to McCall. It was while we were gone to Oregon...
they didn't live on the homestead too awfully long I don't think. We left the
homestead in 1918.
This is the part of the Valley that I remember and the things that I
remember when I was a little girl. One of the things I remember was the
Ward murder case. The two Ward boys..... the Wards lived down the road
about a quarter of a mile from us across the road, Wayne Ward and I don't
know where Ed Ward lived, he lived on South I think. I remember one day when
I was about 5 years old, this fellow came riding up to the front gate and
asked mother if she would go down to Ward's real quick because Wayne Ward
had been killed and his wife was down there by herself. So I can remember
mother grabbed us, my brother is two years younger than I, she grabbed us each
by a hand and dragged us practically.. down the road and I can remember when
they brought these two men in of course by this time the whole Valley practically
was there. They had a trial and ray Dad was seated as a Witness and he had to
go toWeiser, and it seemed liked a long time to me then. But as most cases in
Valley County, he went scott free..... lots of laughter..... You know it is one
of these things, question from the audience, do you remember who it was...
answer... It was a sheephexxrder, and I don't remember his name. He was
working for somebody else, a. Company, you see they were having trouble
with the sheep that come along and well the sheepherders didn't try very
hard to keep them out of the grain fields, and they would sorta scatter out,
so this is what had happened, they had gone to get the sheep out of the grain
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and they were sorta hot headed fellows anyway and they got into an argument
I guess and one of the sheepherders struck
. So this
Estol, Kenny Estol T_ think his name was, came and told us and he was there
at the time, so this is one of the things that I remember, and another
thing that I remember about was the winter the train didn't come in for
about 6 weeks. This was quite a catastrophie becItuse everyone depended
on the train if they didn't have enough supplies laid in. There was -
this store at Norwood and in this book Cynthia tells about the funny
things, if you know the people and know the situa ions they are really
funny and some of the things you hear about, the istory of the Valley
really aren't funny unless you know all of the circumstances but I used
to hear my Dad telling these and you thought it Was really funny, the
people who run the store talked kinda slow you kn w so the whole Valley
had been out of Coal Oil and sugar, you know coal oil was a real comodity
because that was the only kind of light you had. So Dad was there and
somebody came in and the train had gotten in and they asked the fellow
if he had some sugar and he said.... very slowly. .. we have some coal
oil. It wouldn't have been funny unless you knew that they had been out
of sugar and coal oil. Coal oil was a real hard ommodity to get into the
Valley because they couldn't put it on a freight x�agon with fim¢ flour
or anything else, it always seemed to leak. Cynt is tells about one winter
they ate bread that tasted like Coal Oil all wint r because the coal oil
leaked on the flour, they :Btxxkg thought they ha it fixed so it wouldn't
but it leaked on the flour......... end of tape.
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Audience is talking.... One of her books is named Kirsty, that is her last
one, one of her first ones is Long Valley. But she researched it quite a
bit,'rilda Bark is another one that would be interesting, she would enjoy
visiting with you because she was born here, she was born down under Sugarloaf.
The winter that the train didn't come in I can remember what a big
deal it was, we all got on our skiis and went to the track when the train
came in because we hadn't had any outside communication for about 6 weeks
and it was really a big thing. The train didn't come to the Valley until
about 1911. Of course it missed all the little towns, and some of them
weren't so little. Why the Union Pacific does things I'll never know but
they missed Thunder City, Van 4L3zc 4t-&, they missed Crawford, they missed
Roseberry, they hit Norwood, I guess that is how come i� started. Norwood
was where I lived, this was my address and when I am as ed where I lived,
fir where I was born this is what I give, Norwood, Idaho Do you know where
Fairbrother's live..... it is towards Donnelly, and you knaa the road that
turns west just before you go down into Lakefork bottom down across the
bridge where the sawmill used to be, well there is a ro d that turns to
the right, right there, you go back there a mile and th n turn back north
about a quarter, and that is where Norwood was. Donnelly sprang up after
the railroad, it was the successor of Roseberry. Cynthia really has some
good things in her book, she has dates, facts and pictu es. The railroad
came in in 1911 and at that time I can remember, _I was a very little girl
but I can remember going to Roseberry and there was a boardwalk and we thought
it was great fun to run on the boardwalk. There were three or four blocks
of buildings in Roseberry, because I remember I ran awOY and went over to
a girls house to play and my mother didn't know where was, but they found
me and it was fun to run. on those boardwalks, but of c urse I was a little
girl and things seemed a lot bigger, when I went back to it,, the place where
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I was born a few years later, that great big yard had really shrunk. It
wasn't nearly as big as I remembered. So Roseberry was quite a town, it
had a brickyard, with a kilm where they made bricks, it had a flour mill,
it had two saloons, it had a dry goods store and a bowling alley, a drug
store, lawyers, a doctor. When my mother was a girl it was a big deal
to come to McCall and camp for two or three days over the 4th of July.
Of course it took about a day to get here so they would come up for
about a week and camp on the lake and I have a picture here of the lake.
I have some of my grandmother's old pictures, I thought you might be
interested, some of them don't have any names on the backs of them. Cynthia
has several pictures in her book of businesses in Roseberry when she was
there M�ugagxsxa�, McDougals store, that was Ralphs Dad. Then there
was a creamery, pool hall, I should have said pool hall instead of bowling
alley. Cynthia was selling her books at the fair last year, she is up
in her 80's, must be 82 or 83, she lives at Riggins but she was born up
here and lived around here most all her life. Of course the Blankenships,
the Coles and the Boydstons and all these people I am related to by marriage
to most of them in one way or another, one of my aunts married a Cole and
one of them married a Blankenship and of course the Boydston's, Mrs. Boydston
was a Cole. So all the old timers are all sort of related, of course the
Pottengers are related too. I can't think of anything else that might be of
interest, but I might show you some of the pictures. The ones that don't have
names on them I just sorta decided maybe someone here might be able to tell.
Here is the postoffice before it was made into those four apartments.. This is
how I remember it when I was a little girl. Voice from the audience... when
did you move back here. Answer, I was born here, then I lived here until I was
about 5 years.old, then we moved to Weiser and I went to grade school there , then
we moved to Oregon, then we moved to Boise then I came back up here and have been
here since, that was in 1933. Yes, there has been lots of changes since then
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Here are some pictures. This is my grandmother McFall and my brandfather McFall
and this is the house that they lived in. You know where Faye Wallace's house
is, and then the house next door, then the next one where White's lived, she
owned both of them. She had another place too she would move to. She moved
a lot and when she got ready, she would just drop everything and move but
when she first came to McCall she had the house that Herman White's live,
it burned, and then she rebuilt it until it was like Herman White's lived
in it, then she built the one in between Herman White's and where
lived and she lived there part time, and she had this little cabin on the
alley that she lived in part of the time and she just kinda moved back and
forth, she finally sold that one to Herman White though. She kept the one
to the west. My grandmother traveled all over the Valley having babies,
she was a midwife. There wasn't any doctor available at the time and if
anyone had any kind of trouble they would go get my grandmother and even
though she was crippled and not able to do too much they would still come
and get her, but I think she enjoyed it. She used to do bed work in Missouri
before she came out here. The Dr. Parris she used to work for in Missouri
was related to the Parris' here she found out. Then I found a postcard written
to my grandmother and there isn't any date on it but it says "Dear Mrs. McFall,
I am glad to hear you are back in Idaho, my grandmother and grandfather went
back to Missouri in about 1918, so this must have been about that time, they
didn't stay very long., " well I guess the grain will get ripe this fall, the
wheat is about ready to cut now and it will not be very long before the oats
will be ready, it was nice to see you, well the passenger train goes by every
night and every morning, they have changed the name of McCall to Lakefork and
in Cynthia's book she says about how they changed the name of McCall to Lakefork
but it didn't stay very long. This was written by Vivian Pierson and here is
a picture and I know this is Vivian on this wagon but I don't know the other
two people...... Then I have another picture here, the World's smallest
Johnson
Ski Jumper, Lloyd RyAmkram of McCall, Idaho, it was a postcard.
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Lloyd Johnson was..... Carson Kinney's brother. They lived up here. This
one doesn't have a name on it and I don't know when it was taken but this
was the stage that went into Warren. My uncle drove it. Have any of you
heard of Mary Fulton ?..... She was an old-timer here. Anyway there was a
picture of her. I have four pictures of the sawmill and there is nothing
on the back of them and I thought if I would bring them tonight someone
might know whether they were taken here or some place else. Mary Fulton
homesteaded (this is a man's voice from the audience) about a half mile
from our place. She married a man by the name of Miller. She divorced
him and married Ty Fulton. Here is a picture, this was the main seat
of McCall, .. Here is a picnic picture on Payette Lake. Here is a
picture of Mrs. Ivan Shaw. There is lots of audience voices as they
look at and exclaim over the pictures........ end of tape.
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Tape 2, side 1
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Still lots of mingled voices..... No Norwood was mostly just the postoffice,
it wasn't a cluster of houses, even now the railroad siding is called Norwood.
They had a postoffice there until after Lakefork went in on the highway. I
think they discontinued that about 65 years ago I guess. There was something
of interest the other day , Gene Eyraud called me here when he found out I
was going to talk here tonight and he said he is interested in getting some
things together to show people who come and stay at the Park or at least
to have something some place where he could send them to show the history
of our area and I was telling him about Frank Eld who wants to fix the
old store at Roseberry into a museum and have historical things there and
he was very interested in it. You know one of the funny things I heard
about and never knew before, kna and that was snowshoes for horses and so
then I said they used to have snow horses too, we had a lot of fun around
the office with the County Agent, he heard me talking on the phone and
said "what in the world are snow horses" I said well they were these horses
that could get out and trot along on the snow roads and not fall off, even
in deep snow they could find the roads and travel on them, some hxxxx horses
just couldn't. You know the tracks would build up where the sleds and
the horses would go so it would be soft in between and some horses couldn't
follow those trails. We had the school teacher living with us when I was
a little girl and she taught at Pine Grove and Pine Grove then was about a
mile from where we lived, and we would have a big storm at night and Dad
would have to get up early in the morning and hitch up a double txeam without
the sled, just the team and go break road and then
and the teacher and take her to school. It wasn't
it wasn't too long ago the same thing happened ove
Loo fn �S
(sounded like Runick)_took his horses to break a
come back and get the sled
Elmef-
too long ago 94wyn. Brown...
Ltime4-
r at i Brown's, Myron
trail over there because they
had cattle and had no hay, now this was just about 3 or 4 years ago.
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page 2
I think they have some horses snowshoes at the Mill, they did have, hanging
on the wall..... those were the good old days. I can remember too when I
was a little girl was the really utter stillness when it was a real cold
night, all you could hear was logs popping, trees popping and I remember
waking up in the morning and the covers would have little icicles hanging
on them.... really in our log cabin, hanging from my breath.. We had a
log cabin and then built on to it and mother used to put straw on the
floor and she had a harind made carpet that some of the Finnish ladies
had made so two or three times a year she would take this carpet up
and collect straw under it and pull it real tight and tack it down and
it made the floor real warm and it was soft and it was nice. I should be
famous because I was born in a log cabin, but anyway I can remember we
had a wooden well that we had to draw water out of with a bucket on
the homestead, it was right off the back porch, it was real good water
though, no pollution yet.... Voice from the audicnce.. Mary Jarvie down
towards Donnelly still pulls the water out of her well, she still draws
water....... Pansy replies she would be a good one to talk to.. She lives
right out of Donnelly but she has lived here all her life I think, or else
she came in when she was very young. I had a brother two years younger and
then I had another brother. All the rest is audience voices, and the
conversations are intermingled and inaudible.
Early Valley memories retold
MCCALL —` `Refreshments"
served by the Intermountain
Historical and Genealogical
Society at last Thursday's meeting
were memories, dished up by
Valley resident Pansy Jensen. Her
presentation of Long Valley history
centered in the Norwood and old
Roseberry areas and she brought
along many pictures of old McCall.
Mrs. Jensen's grandparents
came to Long Valley in 1886 when
the area experienced a record mild
winter with no snow or freezing
temperatures. The valley seemed
like true paradise after the cold
and snow of the Midwest, so her
grandparents and many others
were here to stay.. But the
devastating winter of 1887 caught
up with them -- that too was a
record, of bitter cold and eight feet
of snow from September to
November. As the cattle died, so
did the hopes of many settlers who
had heard about this paradise.
Many lef t _ They were not only cold,
they also found it difficult to make
a living here. Pansy's family
remained, however, settled along
the east side of the valley, where
tubers such as rutabagas and
potatoes could grow. Pansy's
grandfather became the famous
"Snowshoe Davis," delivering
mail to Warren on snowshoes. And
her grandmother, Valeria McFall,
was the renowned "Auntie Mac,"
midwife and soother of various ills
suffered by the settlers. The land
her grandparents homesteaded in
Norwood is now headquarters of
the Ed Cruzen ranch.
Those early years in the valley's
history were not easy. After sur-
viving the winter of '87, Mrs.
Jensen's grandparents and their
family mingled with Indians who
camped and traded on Gold Fork
and were often in the midst of
"cattle wars" with vigilante
groups of cattlemen who opposed
settlers on their open range. One
memory of those rough and tumble
years was the Ward murder that
occurred 1'1 /4 mile down the road,"
according to Pansy. Everyone in
the valley rushed to the site for the
by Linda Hansen
"entertainment" and then with the
full aplomb of country justice, the
murderer went "scot free."
Another "fish story" related by
Mrs. Jensen concerned her uncle
who fished in Gold Fork and toted a
huge fish over his shoulder, with its
tail brushing the ground. "That
was a gold trout, like a bull trout,"
according to audience member Joe
Bennett who remembers that
everything was bigger and better
in the "good old days." Pansy also
recalled those good old
"snowhorses" that lived then- -the
ones that could find the original
trails through several feet of
snow. It was one of those horses
that her father used to take the
schoolteacher to school.
An important part of each day
for most of us is getting the mail,
but Pansy remembered the time
when the train failed to come in for
six weeks. "It was a big deal when
it finally came in. We all got on our
skis to watch it arrive," stated
Mrs. Jensen, recalling the joy of
communicating again with the
"outside world." And she also
passed around a postcard that her
parents received back in 1918 after
they had returned to Missouri. The
writer mentioned that "they've
changed the name of McCall to
Lake Port." Remember that?
And do you remember when
people put straw under the carpet
to keep warm? That was 'way back
when Roseberry had only a brick
yard, a flour mill, a bowling alley,
a creamery, and a pool hall.
Roseberry, for all of you newer
residents, was about where
Donnelly is now. In her presen-
tation, Mrs. Jensen referred to
"My Roseberry," written by
Cynthia Pottinger, now on sale at
the Star -News offices.
Mrs. Jensen's family moved to
Long Valley at about the same
time as the Pottinger family and
she is related to such familiar
names as the Blankenships, the
Coles, and the Boydstuns. Although
Pansy moved away from the area
as a young child, she returned after
graduating from college in Oregon.
The valley is "home" to her and
even now she hears the melody
"Suddenly There's A Valley" as
she drives over the hill from
Cascade.
Our valley and entire local area
are sprouting more condominiums,
more houses, and more tourists
every year, so peeking into a past
of log cabins, Indians, and
downright human courage and
stamina is particularly appealing
now, in the midst of all our modern
conveniences. Next month the
Historical Society will present
Herman Blackwell and Joe Ben-
nett as featured speakers on "the
good old days."
MASONIC ORDERS CONVENE
Valeria chapter no. 76 of the
Order of Eastern Star met last
Wednesday evening, presided over
by Worthy Matron Pansy Jensen.
Alice Dunlap will serve as
chairman of the Winter Carnival
snow sculpture and solicited ideas
and assistance during the meeting.
Sharon Eyraud and Harry Grandy
are in charge of the carnival
parade entry and breakfast
and luncheon chairmen for the
winter event are Ellen Sackerman
and Pansy Jensen. Ellen
Sackerman and Adolf Heinrich
celebrated January birthdays and
were honored by all present. A
kitchen shower was held after the
meeting for Norma Rohm, a
Valeria chapter member now
living in Caldwell. Mrs. Rohm lost
her home in a fire and Eastern
Stars assisted by presenting her
with hosehold items. Refresh-
ments for the evening were served
by Harriett Clark and Nancy
Greaves.
Job's Daughter, Bethel no. 25,
met Monday evening for the first
meeting of Honored Queen Debbie
Yergenson. Members discussed
plans to publicize the dances they
will hold during Winter Carnival
and they will also take part in the
March of Dimes educational
program this weekend.
Long Valley Era Revisited
By MEREDITH MOTSON
Statesman Correspondent
McCALL — "Come to Long
Valley," they wrote home.
"We have found paradise!"
And indeed, in the winter
of 1887, the long valley
stretching between McCall
and Cascade did seem like a
paradise. Here were rich
grasslands bordered with
high mountains and
sprinkled with crystal lakes.
Yet the lakes did not freeze
nor did the climate ever turn
frigid as one would expect in
such Alpine terrain. So, the
first settlers wrote eagerly
back to the Midwest, anx-
ious to share their new found
land with friends and family.
That was the famed mild
winter of '87.
In the spring, the families
came. They started home-
steads, planted vegetables,
and turned their cattle out to
graze. Then came the "Ter-
rible Winter of '88." Para-
dise turned into a white
nightmare as eight feet of
snow rose to the eves of
their homes during the first
11 days of November. No one
was prepared. The crops
were lost and the cattle were
still far afield. In the spring,
they shoveled paths out to
the fields and recovered the
few cattle that had managed
to survive. Soon after, many
left this Idaho paradise. But
a few stayed on.
Today the offspring of
those who stayed still popu-
late Long Valley. Among
them is Pansy Jensen,
whose mother was only two
years old. Mrs. Jensen has
learned the valley's history,
which she told at the Janu-
ary meeting of the Inter-
mountain Historical and
Geneological Society in
McCall. As a part of the so-
ciety's effort to familiarize
the public with their local
history, Mrs. Jensen's lec-
ture provided an intimate
look into the lives of the
early settlers as they met
each season's sunshine and
storms.
No doubt about it, life in
that Long Valley paradise
was harsh. "People often
went hungry, and there was
really no way to earn a liv-
ing," explained Mrs. Jensen.
Her own grandfather was
one . of the valley's
mainstays. "Snowshoe
Davis" he was called. "You
see, he used to go out on
snowshoes with the vz!ley's
mail and when he came
back, he'd bring our mail
and food. Some fellows
wrote out about jobs," she
continued, "and their letters
always went by snowshoe."
Often "Snowshoe Davis"
was the settlement's only
contact with the outside
world.
Yet, if life was hard in
those days, it also held cer-
tain wonders which will nev-
er return. "Back then, salm-
on used to come up the Gold
Fork (a creek which now
flows into Cascade Reser-
voir)," Mrs. Jensen recalled.
"My mother said her oldest
brother used to get a fish
and carry it home over his
shoulder with its tail drag-
ging the ground. Of course,"
she added with a twinkle,
"my brother never did get
very tall."
When her mother married,
Mrs. Jensen's parents home-
steaded in a log cabin not far
from the Gold Fork. Soon
they discovered not only fish
populated the area.
"Indians used to come and
camp there," Mrs. Jensen
explained. Apparently, the
homesteaders were rather
frightened at first, but in
time, they found the Indians
to be "nice friendly people.
And they used to trade their
moccasins for grain and oth-
er things the settlers had."
Yet, even in Mrs. Jensen's
days, life could be pretty vio-
lent on occasion. "One thing
I remember is the "Ward
Murder Case," she ex-
claimed. "I was only a little
girl, but I remember this fel-
low came riding up to the
door and asked my mother
to go down to the Ward's be-
cause the men had been shot
and Mrs. Ward was there
alone. She grabbed us each
by the hand and practically
dragged us down the road.
Of course, by this time, the
whole valley was there."
It turned out to be another
instance where cattlemen
and sheepmen just don't
mix. Apparently, a certain
sheepherder did not take
kindly to the Ward brothers'
and simply hauled off and
shot them both on their front
porch. "My dad had to go all
the way down to Weiser for
the trial," Mrs. Jensen re-
called.
Weiser was their main
connection with the world,
for Weiser was where the
train came from, and they
depended upon the train for
a good part of their supplies.
"One winter the train didn't
come in for six weeks. And I
remember when it finally
did, we all put on our skis
and went to watch it come
in," Mrs. Jensen continued.
Sugar, flour, and coal oil
were the three most basic
necessities, and unfortu-
nately, the coal oil always
tended to leak on the other
two, no matter where it was
stashed in the train. Mrs.
Jensen shook her head at the
memory of one family that
ate bread tasting of coal oil
for an entire winter.
Despite the fact that she
moved away to attend school
and did not return until 1933,
Mrs. Jensen still vividly re-
members the beauty of the
countryside and feels that
somehow Long Valley has
always been "home" for
her.
"I remember the utter
stillness then. All you'd hear
was the sound of the trees
popping in the cold."
It was important in those
days to have snowhorses,
Mrs. Jensen explained. Her
audience laughed. Snow -
horses? Snowhorses, she de-
fined, are merely those that
have an instinct for follow-
ing a road hidden beneath
the snow. Some don't. And it
took a good pair of snow -
horses to pull freight sleds of
supplies from McCall to the
more remote territory .
another of her father's win-
ter occupations.
But when the snow finally
left the roads, all the Long
Valley families finally got a
chance to see a bit of the
world around them ... Rose -
berry, Norwood, Lardo,
McCall. "I can remember
running up and down the
board walks at Roseberry. It
was quite a town! And when
my mother was a girl, it was
a big deal to come up to
McCall and camp on the
lake for the 4th of July
weekend," Mrs. Jensen re-
called.
She passed around a yel-
lowing postcard of stiffly -col-
lared gentlemen and ladies
in filmy white dresses,
naughtily posed with bottles
aloft beside Payette Lake.
Another dingy postcard
declared that henceforth
McCall would be called
"Lakeport."
(Yet, though Lakeport is
once again McCall, and
though Roseberry, Norwood,
and Lardo are only shadows
in memory, there are those
who remain and remember.
Intermarried and entangled
through hardship and joy,
the Long Valley old timers
are a testament to their
times. Touch one, and you
will find a wealth of history
and a rich vein of humor.
Making a Dress or Biking a Pie?
Valley Agent Shows Girls How
By FRANCES COSKI
D O N N E L L Y —Mrs. Pansy
Scheline, whose home econom•
ics- trained students have won
district, state and national con,
tests, has completed 15 years of
4 -H instructional activities and
is eager to work at least that
many more. She also spent 11 of
those years teaching here and
at Cascade.
Home demonstration a g e n t
for all of Valley County, Mrs.
Scheline pioneered 4 -H work in
this area, helped Mrs. Edwin
Green to start the hot lunch
program in the Donnelly - McCall
High School. Her friends say
that she has been responsible
for shaping young lives by im-
parting the knowledge she ob-
tained from experience, deter-
mination and hard work, by the
desire to be a good mother,
while at the same time helping
others.
Following her husband's death
several years ago, Mrs. Scheline
became the first ,home demon-
stration agent, appointed by the
U of I Board of Regents. She
works directly with extension
clubs, 4 -H groups and the coun-
ty 4 -11 council.
She started 4•H work with the
help of Mrs. Green and Mrs.
Vernon Lappins, when her
young daughter, Sharron was
eight. From the original 4 -H
group, three girls received their
college home economics degrees,
Mrs. Dale Pline (Ellen Roberts)
of Nampa, Mrs. Roger Williams
(Anita Koskella) of Boise and
Mrs. Scheline's older daughter,
Mrs. Leroy Sundquist (Jane
Scheline) of Coronado, Calif.
The younger daughter, Sharron,
now Mrs. Dennis Dalton who
interrupted her education to be
a IFYE student at Nepal, will
get her home economics degree
at Iowa State University in in-
stitutional management this
year.
Two of Mrs. Scheline's Cas
cade home economics students
Maxine Mafune and Suzy Bean,
won prizes in a national food
company's bakeoff contest; oth-
ers receiving special help from
their teacher were Sally Cole
and Maurine Goslin.
Mrs. Dalton and Amy Loomis,
another of Mrs. Scheline's stu-
dents, won the National Wool
Growers' make-it- yourself -with-
wool contests and trips to Eu
rope; this year Cheri Moltke
won second in the state
in the same contest, an honor
which Sandra Nortune, WSL'
freshman, had won previously.
"These girls not only learned
to sew step by step, they are
taught to cook by using a good
recipe, exact measurements and
applying their own originality,"
Mrs. Scheline noted.
Her two daughters and Miss
Loomis, who won honors in the
MRS. PANSY SCHELINE, photographed at her desk in the
office, which was built by her late husband and belongs to
her. Both extension offices are in the building, as well as
the Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service and
the USDA Soil Conservation Service.
annual cherry pie baking con
test at the state fair, competed
in the national contest, and
were selected, along with Bev.
erly Wallace, another Donnelly
girl, to go to the National 4 -I1
Congress in Chicago.
Mrs. Scheline's pupils, who be
come winners, also include
adults. Mrs. F. E. Kerby of Cas
cade, who won a regiona
grange cooking contest, earner
a trip to the National Grang:
session in Winston - Salem, N. C
Mrs. Kerby says: "Pansy
helped me a lot with my recipe
and gave me lots of advice. ii
I owe her a lot."
Others who have Won state
and district prizes given by
granges and food companies are
Mrs. Hugh Fulton of Donnelly,
Mrs. Art Bolar of Lakefork and
Mrs. Jack Lloyd of Cascade.
,Of the successful 4 -H pro-
gram in her county, Mrs. Sche-
line says: "The credit for the
outstanding accomplishments of C
this small rural area goes t�
the individuals, their parents)
and 4 -H leaders, both state and
county."
Convention Models at McCall
RS. KAY BARE (left) of Terreton and Miss Sandy Nor-
t,pne of Donnelly will model the wool garments they made
,r last year's 'Make It Yourself With Wool' contest at the
onvention of the Idaho Launderers and Dry Cleaners
I-sociation convention Thursday, Friday and Saturday at
;cCall. The association will present $50 awards to'the girls
firing its convention. The Idaho Woolgrowers' Auxiliary,
hich sponsors the sewing competition, has started a new
:1r of contest activity. Mrs. Phil Soulene of Weiser
rivt director and Mrs. Lawrence Tnylor of Rexburg '.
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