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HomeMy Public PortalAboutJensen, Pansy1 ..a►+ ,.... . • kin In Viaking a Dress or Ba g a Pie? VaIIey Agent Shows Girls How By FRANCES COSKI D O N N E L L Y—M,rs. Pansy Scheline, whose home econom- ics -trained students have won district, state and national con- tests, has completed 15 years of 4-H' instructional activities and is eager to work at least that many more. She also spent 11 bf those years teaching here and at Cascade. , Home demonstration agent for all of Valley County, Mrs. Scheline pioneered 4-H work in this area, helped Mrs. Edwin Green to start the hot lunch program in the Donnelly -McCall High School, Her friends say that she has been responsible for shaping young lives by im- parting the knowledge she ob- tained from experience, deter- mination and hard work, by the desire to be a good mother, while at the same time helping others., Following her husband's death 'several years ago, Mrs. Scheline became the first home demon- stration agent, appointed by the U of I Board of Regents. She works directly with extension clubs, 4-H groups and the coun- ty 4-H council. She started 4-II work with the help of Mrs. Green and Mrs. Vernon Lappins, when her young daughter, Sharron was eight. From the original 4-H group, three girls received their college home economics degrees, Mrs. Dale Pline (Ellen Roberts) of Nampa, Mrs. Roger Williams (Anita Koskella) of Boise and Mrs. Scheline's older daughter, Mrs. Leroy Sundquist (Jane Scheline) of Coronado, Calif. The younger daughter, Sharron, now Mrs. Dennis Dalton who interrupted her education to be a IFYE student at Nepal, will get her home economics degree at Iowa State University in in- stitutional management this year. Two of Mrs. Scheline's Cas Cade home economics students Maxine Mafune and Suzy Bean, won prizes in a national food company's bakeoff contest; oth- ers receiving special help from their teacher were Sally Cole and Maurine Goslin. Mrs. Dalton and Amy Loomis, another of Mrs. Scheline's stu- dents, won the National Wool Growers' make -it -yourself -with - wool contests and trips to Eu rope; this year Cheri Moltke won second in the state in the same contest, an honor which Sandra Nortune, WSU freshman, had won previously. "These girls not only learned to sew step by step, they are taught to cook by using a good recipe, exact measurements and applying their own originality," Mrs. Scheline noted. .. MILS. PANSY SCHELIN1, photographed at her desk in the office, which was built b3 her late husband and belongs to her. Both extension offices are in the building, as well as the Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service and the USDA Soil Const.avation Service. annual cherry pie baking ( )n- test at the state fair, comps ed in the national cont( it, Id were selected, along w ith Lev- erly Wallace, another Donnelly gir14 to go to the National 4-H Congress in Chicago. Mrs. Scheline's pupils, who be- come winners, also include adults. Mrs. F. E. Kerby of Cas- cade, who won a regional grange cooking contest, earned a trip to the National Grange session in Win ton -Salem, N. C. Mrs. Kerby says: "Pansy helped me a lot with my recipe d gave me lots of advice. I ( -e her a lot." Others who have won state a,id district prizes given by granges and food companies are Mrs. Hugh Fulton of Donnelly, Mrs. Art Bolar of Lakefork and Mrs. Jack Lloyd of Cascade. Of the successful 4-H pro- gram in her county, Mrs. Sche- line says: "The credit for the outstanding accomplishments of this small rural an a goes to the individuals, their parents and 4-H leaders, botl: state and county." record, of bitter cold and eight feet of snow from September to November. As the cattle died, so did the hopes of many settlers who had heard about this paradise. Many left. They were not only cold, they also found it difficult to make a living here. Pansy's family remained, however, settled along the east side of the valley, where tubers such as rutabagas and potatoes could grow. Pansy's grandfather became the famous "Snowshoe Davis," delivering mail to Warren on snowshoes. And her grandmother, Valeria McFall, was the renowned "Auntie Mac," midwife and soother of various ills suffered by the settlers. The 'end her grandparents home3teadei; in Norwood is now headquarters of the Ed Cruzen ranch.._ Those early years in the valley's history were not easy. After sur- viving the winter of '87, Mrs. Jensen's grandparents and their family mingled with Indians who camped and traded on Gold Fork and were often in the midst of "cattle wars" with vigilante greups of cattlemen who opposed settlers on their open range. One memory of those rough and tumble years was the Ward murder that occurred "'/a mile down the road," according to Pansy. Everyone in the valley rushed to the site for the An important part of each day for most of us is getting the mail, but Pansy remembered the time when the train failed to come in for six weeks. "It was a big deal when it finally came in. We all got on our skis to watch it arrive," stated Mrs. Jensen, recalling the joy of communicating again with the "outside world." And she also passed around a postcard that her parents received back in 1918 after they had returned to Missouri. The writer mentioned that "they've changed the name of McCall to Lake Port." Remember that? And do you remember when people put straw under the carpet to keep warm? That was 'way back when Roseberry had only a brick yard, a flour mill, a bowling alley, a creamery, and a pool hall. Roseberry, for all of you newer residents, was about where Donnelly is now. In her presen- tation, Mrs. Jensen referred to "My Roseberry," written by Cynthia Pottinger, now on sale at the Star -News offices. Mrs. Jensen's family moved to Long Valley at about the same time as the Pottinger family and she is related to such familiar names as the Blankenships, the Coles, and the Boydstuns. Although Pansy moved away from the area as a young child, she returned after MASONIC ORDERS CONVENE Valeria chapter no. 76 of the Order of Eastern Star met last Wednesday evening, presided over by Worthy Matron Pansy Jensen. Alice Dunlap will serve as chairman of the Winter Carnival snow sculpture and solicited ideas and assistance during the meeting. Sharon Eyraud and Harry Grandy are in charge of the carnival parade entry and breakfast and luncheon chairmen for the winter event are Ellen Sackerman and Pansy Jensen. Ellen Sackerman and Adolf Heinrich celebrated January birthdays and were honored by all present. A kitchen shower was held after the meeting for Norma Rohm, a Valeria chapter member now living in Caldwell. Mrs. Rohm lost her home in a fire and Eastern Stars assisted by presenting her with hwsehold items. Refresh- ments for the evening were served by Harriett Clark and Nancy Greaves. Job's Daughter, Bethel no. 25, met Monday evening for the first meeting of Honored Queen Debbie Yergenson. Members discussed plans to publicize the dances they will hold during Winter Carnival and they will also take part in the March of Dimes educational program this weekend. Subject: Jensen, Pansey Address: Date: Way 16, 1973 Pace 3-4 4 5 1 Her mother came 1887 8 feet of snow, winter of '88 Where her mother's dads homestead was.. Parents married 1906 Indians camped on Gold Fork Cattle war in the valley Her dad homesteaded in 1904, Father came from Missouri Her grandmother Mcfbal Ward murder case End of Tape Side 1 Side 2 Lake Fork4Creek Train came into Valley about 1911 She lived in Norwood Donnelly started after railroad Poseberry had a brick yard, with a kiln where they made bricks flour mill, two saloons, dry goods store, pool hall, drug store, lawyers and doctor and a creamery Mrs. Boydstun's was a Cole Her grandmother was a mid -wife Tape Two -Side 1 Norwood mostly Post Office until Lake Fork went on Highway. ROUGH DRAFT P FLFRY:mbc May 16, 1973 First part is inaudible. I. thought this might fit in with my job of Family Living. After all this is what has been happening in this Valley for a number of years. I don't know how many of you have read it but last night when I went home I was thinking about sbme of the things I really should talk abut today and things that maybe my mother had told me and some of the thins that I remember and my grandmother talked about, so I thought about rs. Cynthia Pottenger, and by the way she would be a good speaker, her gook "My Roseberry", I brought it tonight. She has it for sale and it s about Roseberry and all the little area around Roseberry. She grew p about the same time my mother did, she and my mother were about 3 or 4 ,ears apart in age and so I thought I had all these stories my mother had old me about the Valley, and we were talking about a little while ago tha no two people ever remember anything alike. One person can tell something a d another person will tell something else about it. I have heard different people tell stories, even my mother's brother and mother didn't tell the s.me story about the same thing. I was interested to know what your orga ization was about because one of the things I think we need to do is to b: creative and inquisitive in order to keep young as you are getting older and some of you younger people as y ou grow older will need to do this because rather than telling stories in retrospect, justtell the storyxwitxwnstlxu i;egtxxsximwxexx x±huxfutuxu $xxtaxwilp(axRxMaiixyxiaxtkaxwayxatxts. I think e should be inquisitive about our history as it would effect us now or in the future maybe, why a Valley is the way It is, and I have always had a somethin; about this Valley, I lived here until I was 5 years oldand then didn't come ba•k until I had finished college, but it always seemed like home for some reason .nd I think it always has to my mother, even if she hasn't lived here for years and years because it is something N Tape 1, side 1 page 2 that gets you and I always think of that song -Suddenly There is a Valley" when I come over the hill and come into the Valley. I try to think of it as how maybe it used to be along time ago where the bunch grass grew tall and and the cattle were grazing ix the wild animals and things around in the valley, and when people first came they settled on the edges of the Valley along the east -side because things freeze so up here my mother said, they could maybe some years raise potatoes but most of the gardens were rudabagoes, carrots and things like this that would grow and not freeze down. The center of the Valley was grass and they used to cut it for hay. I might start back when my mother came. She was two years old when she came to the Valley, she was born in '86, I think they came in '87. This was a very mild winter. Some of you older people will remember the winter that we had here before, the Lake didn't freeze over and we didn't have mash any snow and it hardly froze all winter except there was a lot of Lain around Christmas time and I remember that was in 1933 or 1934, so Ynt apparently it was a winter much like that one and they really thought it was a paradise. They thought they had really struck heaven, they thought there couldn't be anything better, so they all wrote back, here and there Iowa, Ohio and every place where all their friends lived to come we have found paradise, and a lot of people came, a lot of the old timers you will see and here, Boydston's and my mothers folks Davis and Blankenship and Pottingers and some of the old timers came, they came in '87, that is the spring of '88. I think some of you have beard of the terrible winter of '88, and it wasn't only bad here but it was bad all over, Montana and everywhere. You read stores about it in History and in Cynthia's book it tells about the first snowstorm that winter, and mother has told me, she was too young to remember, but she was told there was 8 feet of snow that came from the 1st of November to the llth of November, it just snowed, snowed, d until it went up to the eaves of the house. ROUGH DRAFT Tape 1, side 1 page 3 People had cattle, they had brought in cattle and were grazing them and of course they weren't prepared for winter, they hadn't gotten hay to feed the cattle so most of the cattle died and they did try to get them out but it was impossible and finally toward spring a few of them did shovel a trail to the slopes on the east side where the snow goes off first and got a few of them up there and saved some of them, so this is the way it started out in the Valley, and of course you know what happened then, during that terrible winter a lot of people left because it just wasn't paradise, there seemed to be no way to earn a living and so a sorta new set of homesteaders came in then, after a few of the families to carry mail and some of the things that stayed, my mother's Dad stayed you read about he was known as Snowshoe Davis, he had the mail route that went, well I don't know just about where it went cause mother used to talk about him carrying mail, but he took it into Warren on snowshoes and he went out below and came in and even in real bad winters so he could bring things back in with him for the families a little. I know in Cynthia's book she has Davis has the mail contract. It was sorta funny, she mentioned that some of the fellows were going out for jobs so they wrote out about them first, well there wasn't any way to get out except the mail carrier putting it on his back and going out snowshoeing taking it, so some of the Pottinger's helped with the mail carrying it. too. This is what I remember about mother telling about early days, and the development around, this was in the early settlement. Now if you talk to some of them, like you talk about Horse Patterson, he would tell you more about Thunder City and probably down around Cascade, Beaver Meadows and that area, but people didn't get around then like they do now. It was a days trip to go to McCall from my mother's Dad's homestead, I don't know Tape 1, side 1 page 4 if you are familiar with that part of the Valley or not, but it was east 9 south and east of Donnelly out near $oseberry, you know where Goldfork crosses the highway down below Donnelly, and there is a road that turns off and you go East and go back over that way, right in there about 2 miles. There is an old old part of a log cabin that was there and we went over there this suilu«er, my daughter and her family and we took mother and tore off some old newspapers, they used to paper the cabins with newspapers you know, it was warmer and clean and it was dated back in 1890 something, we just could get litt le bits we couldn't get it off very well, but my mother was married in 1906 and there was one dated before that and we decided mother had helped to paper the cabin and get it all cleaned up before the wedding, they had a double wedding, there were 4 of them married there. This was the area that was settled at that time and there was a saw mill on Goldfork where the bridge crosses where you go into Little Valley. It was in the 90's when they had the sawmill, and there used to be a lot of fish come up in Goldfork and my mother said her oldest brother used to go down and fish and get a fish that was so big he would carry it over his shoulder and the pail would be dragging the ground, of course he probably wasn't very big, he never did get very tall, I don't know how big he was at that time, but the Salmon would run up the Goldfork and what they call Bull Trout, I don't think there are any now Voice from the audience, no there aren't any now, after they built the Dam it stopped the free run of them and they all dissappear.ed from the stream. These are the things mother remembers, also the Indians used to come and camp there on Goldfork and they sold Moccasins, and Cynthia tells in her book about them coming and trading their moccasins for some of the things that they had, grain and things like this, and at first they were a little bit freightened of the Indians but they were nice friendly people and they didn't hurt anybody. Tape 1, side 1 page 5 Another of the things mother talked about was the cattle, the cattle Saar in the Valley. The people outside, the cattlemen would bring the cattle in and let them run and the homesteaders were coming in and taking up the valley so of course they didn't want these cattle coming in and eatting up everything. They kinda liked to have this open range to cut their hay in the summertime so they formed some vigilante groups and they had a few little problems, corraled them a couple of different times and shot a bunch of them. One of these happened, you know where Annalee Melton lives, you know where the road turns to go to Paddy Flat on. the Farm to Market Road, well go to Paddy Flat, it is the house right down the hill by the Farm to Market Road, a square house, now this used to be Charlie Barker's place and it was his x corral where they corralled the cattle, I think that was before my Dad came in, in about 1900, and my Dad homesteaded in 1904, so they had a lot of fun trying to clean their land and of course they had to live on their homesteads and build a cabin and fence. Well then that was my mother's life when she came in and she worked and she grew a little older, her mother died when she was 9, there were 9 children in the family and her mother died in childbirth with the last child so the family used to go back and forth to Boise with a cart, every s$ summer they would come up and spend the summer in Long Walley and the winter in Boise and go to school and mother worked over to New Meadows and a lot of the girls went to work in homes or eatting places where they could cook and wait tables and so on. I think that is where she met my Dad. We never did know for sure. I thought maybe I should go ask her but she is a little bit confused now and I guess she would still remember maybe but anyway Dad came r4// from ,t Missouri and my grandmother Mc7 they came about 1904 and my uncle and my Dad and my grandparents all homesteaded, and they homesteaded, you know where the road turns west at the mill at Lakefork Creek, you know going to Donnelly where the mill used to be, there is a road that turns west there just before you cross the bridge, well you go to the first road south and then you Tape 1, side 1. page 6 go south about not quite a mile and that is where my Dad's homestead was. Eddie owns it now, there isn't a house there any more. Then on down the road another mile or so and off west of the road was where my grandmother's homestead and my uncles was. That was where grandmother McFall lived. I don't know when they moved to McCall. It was while we were gone to Oregon... they didn't live on the homestead too awfully long I don't think. We left the homestead in 1918. This is the part of the Valley that I remember and the things that I remember when I was a little girl. One of the things I remember was the Ward murder case. The two Ward boys..... the Wards lived down the road about a quarter of a mile from us across the road, Wayne Ward and I don't know where Ed Ward lived, he lived on South I think. I remember one day when I was about 5 years old, this fellow came riding up to the front gate and asked mother if she would go down to Ward's real quick because Wayne Ward had been killed and his wife was down there by herself. So I can remember mother grabbed us, my brother is two years younger than I, she grabbed us each by a hand and dragged us practically.. down the road and I can remember when they brought these two men in of course by this time the whole Valley practically was there. They had a trial and ray Dad was seated as a Witness and he had to go toWeiser, and it seemed liked a long time to me then. But as most cases in Valley County, he went scott free..... lots of laughter..... You know it is one of these things, question from the audience, do you remember who it was... answer... It was a sheephexxrder, and I don't remember his name. He was working for somebody else, a. Company, you see they were having trouble with the sheep that come along and well the sheepherders didn't try very hard to keep them out of the grain fields, and they would sorta scatter out, so this is what had happened, they had gone to get the sheep out of the grain Tape 1, side 1 page 7 and they were sorta hot headed fellows anyway and they got into an argument I guess and one of the sheepherders struck . So this Estol, Kenny Estol T_ think his name was, came and told us and he was there at the time, so this is one of the things that I remember, and another thing that I remember about was the winter the train didn't come in for about 6 weeks. This was quite a catastrophie becItuse everyone depended on the train if they didn't have enough supplies laid in. There was - this store at Norwood and in this book Cynthia tells about the funny things, if you know the people and know the situa ions they are really funny and some of the things you hear about, the istory of the Valley really aren't funny unless you know all of the circumstances but I used to hear my Dad telling these and you thought it Was really funny, the people who run the store talked kinda slow you kn w so the whole Valley had been out of Coal Oil and sugar, you know coal oil was a real comodity because that was the only kind of light you had. So Dad was there and somebody came in and the train had gotten in and they asked the fellow if he had some sugar and he said.... very slowly. .. we have some coal oil. It wouldn't have been funny unless you knew that they had been out of sugar and coal oil. Coal oil was a real hard ommodity to get into the Valley because they couldn't put it on a freight x�agon with fim¢ flour or anything else, it always seemed to leak. Cynt is tells about one winter they ate bread that tasted like Coal Oil all wint r because the coal oil leaked on the flour, they :Btxxkg thought they ha it fixed so it wouldn't but it leaked on the flour......... end of tape. Tape 1, side 2 Page 1 Audience is talking.... One of her books is named Kirsty, that is her last one, one of her first ones is Long Valley. But she researched it quite a bit,'rilda Bark is another one that would be interesting, she would enjoy visiting with you because she was born here, she was born down under Sugarloaf. The winter that the train didn't come in I can remember what a big deal it was, we all got on our skiis and went to the track when the train came in because we hadn't had any outside communication for about 6 weeks and it was really a big thing. The train didn't come to the Valley until about 1911. Of course it missed all the little towns, and some of them weren't so little. Why the Union Pacific does things I'll never know but they missed Thunder City, Van 4L3zc 4t-&, they missed Crawford, they missed Roseberry, they hit Norwood, I guess that is how come i� started. Norwood was where I lived, this was my address and when I am as ed where I lived, fir where I was born this is what I give, Norwood, Idaho Do you know where Fairbrother's live..... it is towards Donnelly, and you knaa the road that turns west just before you go down into Lakefork bottom down across the bridge where the sawmill used to be, well there is a ro d that turns to the right, right there, you go back there a mile and th n turn back north about a quarter, and that is where Norwood was. Donnelly sprang up after the railroad, it was the successor of Roseberry. Cynthia really has some good things in her book, she has dates, facts and pictu es. The railroad came in in 1911 and at that time I can remember, _I was a very little girl but I can remember going to Roseberry and there was a boardwalk and we thought it was great fun to run on the boardwalk. There were three or four blocks of buildings in Roseberry, because I remember I ran awOY and went over to a girls house to play and my mother didn't know where was, but they found me and it was fun to run. on those boardwalks, but of c urse I was a little girl and things seemed a lot bigger, when I went back to it,, the place where Tape 1, side 2 page 2 I was born a few years later, that great big yard had really shrunk. It wasn't nearly as big as I remembered. So Roseberry was quite a town, it had a brickyard, with a kilm where they made bricks, it had a flour mill, it had two saloons, it had a dry goods store and a bowling alley, a drug store, lawyers, a doctor. When my mother was a girl it was a big deal to come to McCall and camp for two or three days over the 4th of July. Of course it took about a day to get here so they would come up for about a week and camp on the lake and I have a picture here of the lake. I have some of my grandmother's old pictures, I thought you might be interested, some of them don't have any names on the backs of them. Cynthia has several pictures in her book of businesses in Roseberry when she was there M�ugagxsxa�, McDougals store, that was Ralphs Dad. Then there was a creamery, pool hall, I should have said pool hall instead of bowling alley. Cynthia was selling her books at the fair last year, she is up in her 80's, must be 82 or 83, she lives at Riggins but she was born up here and lived around here most all her life. Of course the Blankenships, the Coles and the Boydstons and all these people I am related to by marriage to most of them in one way or another, one of my aunts married a Cole and one of them married a Blankenship and of course the Boydston's, Mrs. Boydston was a Cole. So all the old timers are all sort of related, of course the Pottengers are related too. I can't think of anything else that might be of interest, but I might show you some of the pictures. The ones that don't have names on them I just sorta decided maybe someone here might be able to tell. Here is the postoffice before it was made into those four apartments.. This is how I remember it when I was a little girl. Voice from the audience... when did you move back here. Answer, I was born here, then I lived here until I was about 5 years.old, then we moved to Weiser and I went to grade school there , then we moved to Oregon, then we moved to Boise then I came back up here and have been here since, that was in 1933. Yes, there has been lots of changes since then Tape 1, Side 2 Page 3 Here are some pictures. This is my grandmother McFall and my brandfather McFall and this is the house that they lived in. You know where Faye Wallace's house is, and then the house next door, then the next one where White's lived, she owned both of them. She had another place too she would move to. She moved a lot and when she got ready, she would just drop everything and move but when she first came to McCall she had the house that Herman White's live, it burned, and then she rebuilt it until it was like Herman White's lived in it, then she built the one in between Herman White's and where lived and she lived there part time, and she had this little cabin on the alley that she lived in part of the time and she just kinda moved back and forth, she finally sold that one to Herman White though. She kept the one to the west. My grandmother traveled all over the Valley having babies, she was a midwife. There wasn't any doctor available at the time and if anyone had any kind of trouble they would go get my grandmother and even though she was crippled and not able to do too much they would still come and get her, but I think she enjoyed it. She used to do bed work in Missouri before she came out here. The Dr. Parris she used to work for in Missouri was related to the Parris' here she found out. Then I found a postcard written to my grandmother and there isn't any date on it but it says "Dear Mrs. McFall, I am glad to hear you are back in Idaho, my grandmother and grandfather went back to Missouri in about 1918, so this must have been about that time, they didn't stay very long., " well I guess the grain will get ripe this fall, the wheat is about ready to cut now and it will not be very long before the oats will be ready, it was nice to see you, well the passenger train goes by every night and every morning, they have changed the name of McCall to Lakefork and in Cynthia's book she says about how they changed the name of McCall to Lakefork but it didn't stay very long. This was written by Vivian Pierson and here is a picture and I know this is Vivian on this wagon but I don't know the other two people...... Then I have another picture here, the World's smallest Johnson Ski Jumper, Lloyd RyAmkram of McCall, Idaho, it was a postcard. Tape 1, Side 2 ' Page 4 Lloyd Johnson was..... Carson Kinney's brother. They lived up here. This one doesn't have a name on it and I don't know when it was taken but this was the stage that went into Warren. My uncle drove it. Have any of you heard of Mary Fulton ?..... She was an old-timer here. Anyway there was a picture of her. I have four pictures of the sawmill and there is nothing on the back of them and I thought if I would bring them tonight someone might know whether they were taken here or some place else. Mary Fulton homesteaded (this is a man's voice from the audience) about a half mile from our place. She married a man by the name of Miller. She divorced him and married Ty Fulton. Here is a picture, this was the main seat of McCall, .. Here is a picnic picture on Payette Lake. Here is a picture of Mrs. Ivan Shaw. There is lots of audience voices as they look at and exclaim over the pictures........ end of tape. i~ Tape 2, side 1 page 1 Still lots of mingled voices..... No Norwood was mostly just the postoffice, it wasn't a cluster of houses, even now the railroad siding is called Norwood. They had a postoffice there until after Lakefork went in on the highway. I think they discontinued that about 65 years ago I guess. There was something of interest the other day , Gene Eyraud called me here when he found out I was going to talk here tonight and he said he is interested in getting some things together to show people who come and stay at the Park or at least to have something some place where he could send them to show the history of our area and I was telling him about Frank Eld who wants to fix the old store at Roseberry into a museum and have historical things there and he was very interested in it. You know one of the funny things I heard about and never knew before, kna and that was snowshoes for horses and so then I said they used to have snow horses too, we had a lot of fun around the office with the County Agent, he heard me talking on the phone and said "what in the world are snow horses" I said well they were these horses that could get out and trot along on the snow roads and not fall off, even in deep snow they could find the roads and travel on them, some hxxxx horses just couldn't. You know the tracks would build up where the sleds and the horses would go so it would be soft in between and some horses couldn't follow those trails. We had the school teacher living with us when I was a little girl and she taught at Pine Grove and Pine Grove then was about a mile from where we lived, and we would have a big storm at night and Dad would have to get up early in the morning and hitch up a double txeam without the sled, just the team and go break road and then and the teacher and take her to school. It wasn't it wasn't too long ago the same thing happened ove Loo fn �S (sounded like Runick)_took his horses to break a come back and get the sled Elmef- too long ago 94wyn. Brown... Ltime4- r at i Brown's, Myron trail over there because they had cattle and had no hay, now this was just about 3 or 4 years ago. Tape 2, side I page 2 I think they have some horses snowshoes at the Mill, they did have, hanging on the wall..... those were the good old days. I can remember too when I was a little girl was the really utter stillness when it was a real cold night, all you could hear was logs popping, trees popping and I remember waking up in the morning and the covers would have little icicles hanging on them.... really in our log cabin, hanging from my breath.. We had a log cabin and then built on to it and mother used to put straw on the floor and she had a harind made carpet that some of the Finnish ladies had made so two or three times a year she would take this carpet up and collect straw under it and pull it real tight and tack it down and it made the floor real warm and it was soft and it was nice. I should be famous because I was born in a log cabin, but anyway I can remember we had a wooden well that we had to draw water out of with a bucket on the homestead, it was right off the back porch, it was real good water though, no pollution yet.... Voice from the audicnce.. Mary Jarvie down towards Donnelly still pulls the water out of her well, she still draws water....... Pansy replies she would be a good one to talk to.. She lives right out of Donnelly but she has lived here all her life I think, or else she came in when she was very young. I had a brother two years younger and then I had another brother. All the rest is audience voices, and the conversations are intermingled and inaudible. Early Valley memories retold MCCALL —` `Refreshments" served by the Intermountain Historical and Genealogical Society at last Thursday's meeting were memories, dished up by Valley resident Pansy Jensen. Her presentation of Long Valley history centered in the Norwood and old Roseberry areas and she brought along many pictures of old McCall. Mrs. Jensen's grandparents came to Long Valley in 1886 when the area experienced a record mild winter with no snow or freezing temperatures. The valley seemed like true paradise after the cold and snow of the Midwest, so her grandparents and many others were here to stay.. But the devastating winter of 1887 caught up with them -- that too was a record, of bitter cold and eight feet of snow from September to November. As the cattle died, so did the hopes of many settlers who had heard about this paradise. Many lef t _ They were not only cold, they also found it difficult to make a living here. Pansy's family remained, however, settled along the east side of the valley, where tubers such as rutabagas and potatoes could grow. Pansy's grandfather became the famous "Snowshoe Davis," delivering mail to Warren on snowshoes. And her grandmother, Valeria McFall, was the renowned "Auntie Mac," midwife and soother of various ills suffered by the settlers. The land her grandparents homesteaded in Norwood is now headquarters of the Ed Cruzen ranch. Those early years in the valley's history were not easy. After sur- viving the winter of '87, Mrs. Jensen's grandparents and their family mingled with Indians who camped and traded on Gold Fork and were often in the midst of "cattle wars" with vigilante groups of cattlemen who opposed settlers on their open range. One memory of those rough and tumble years was the Ward murder that occurred 1'1 /4 mile down the road," according to Pansy. Everyone in the valley rushed to the site for the by Linda Hansen "entertainment" and then with the full aplomb of country justice, the murderer went "scot free." Another "fish story" related by Mrs. Jensen concerned her uncle who fished in Gold Fork and toted a huge fish over his shoulder, with its tail brushing the ground. "That was a gold trout, like a bull trout," according to audience member Joe Bennett who remembers that everything was bigger and better in the "good old days." Pansy also recalled those good old "snowhorses" that lived then- -the ones that could find the original trails through several feet of snow. It was one of those horses that her father used to take the schoolteacher to school. An important part of each day for most of us is getting the mail, but Pansy remembered the time when the train failed to come in for six weeks. "It was a big deal when it finally came in. We all got on our skis to watch it arrive," stated Mrs. Jensen, recalling the joy of communicating again with the "outside world." And she also passed around a postcard that her parents received back in 1918 after they had returned to Missouri. The writer mentioned that "they've changed the name of McCall to Lake Port." Remember that? And do you remember when people put straw under the carpet to keep warm? That was 'way back when Roseberry had only a brick yard, a flour mill, a bowling alley, a creamery, and a pool hall. Roseberry, for all of you newer residents, was about where Donnelly is now. In her presen- tation, Mrs. Jensen referred to "My Roseberry," written by Cynthia Pottinger, now on sale at the Star -News offices. Mrs. Jensen's family moved to Long Valley at about the same time as the Pottinger family and she is related to such familiar names as the Blankenships, the Coles, and the Boydstuns. Although Pansy moved away from the area as a young child, she returned after graduating from college in Oregon. The valley is "home" to her and even now she hears the melody "Suddenly There's A Valley" as she drives over the hill from Cascade. Our valley and entire local area are sprouting more condominiums, more houses, and more tourists every year, so peeking into a past of log cabins, Indians, and downright human courage and stamina is particularly appealing now, in the midst of all our modern conveniences. Next month the Historical Society will present Herman Blackwell and Joe Ben- nett as featured speakers on "the good old days." MASONIC ORDERS CONVENE Valeria chapter no. 76 of the Order of Eastern Star met last Wednesday evening, presided over by Worthy Matron Pansy Jensen. Alice Dunlap will serve as chairman of the Winter Carnival snow sculpture and solicited ideas and assistance during the meeting. Sharon Eyraud and Harry Grandy are in charge of the carnival parade entry and breakfast and luncheon chairmen for the winter event are Ellen Sackerman and Pansy Jensen. Ellen Sackerman and Adolf Heinrich celebrated January birthdays and were honored by all present. A kitchen shower was held after the meeting for Norma Rohm, a Valeria chapter member now living in Caldwell. Mrs. Rohm lost her home in a fire and Eastern Stars assisted by presenting her with hosehold items. Refresh- ments for the evening were served by Harriett Clark and Nancy Greaves. Job's Daughter, Bethel no. 25, met Monday evening for the first meeting of Honored Queen Debbie Yergenson. Members discussed plans to publicize the dances they will hold during Winter Carnival and they will also take part in the March of Dimes educational program this weekend. Long Valley Era Revisited By MEREDITH MOTSON Statesman Correspondent McCALL — "Come to Long Valley," they wrote home. "We have found paradise!" And indeed, in the winter of 1887, the long valley stretching between McCall and Cascade did seem like a paradise. Here were rich grasslands bordered with high mountains and sprinkled with crystal lakes. Yet the lakes did not freeze nor did the climate ever turn frigid as one would expect in such Alpine terrain. So, the first settlers wrote eagerly back to the Midwest, anx- ious to share their new found land with friends and family. That was the famed mild winter of '87. In the spring, the families came. They started home- steads, planted vegetables, and turned their cattle out to graze. Then came the "Ter- rible Winter of '88." Para- dise turned into a white nightmare as eight feet of snow rose to the eves of their homes during the first 11 days of November. No one was prepared. The crops were lost and the cattle were still far afield. In the spring, they shoveled paths out to the fields and recovered the few cattle that had managed to survive. Soon after, many left this Idaho paradise. But a few stayed on. Today the offspring of those who stayed still popu- late Long Valley. Among them is Pansy Jensen, whose mother was only two years old. Mrs. Jensen has learned the valley's history, which she told at the Janu- ary meeting of the Inter- mountain Historical and Geneological Society in McCall. As a part of the so- ciety's effort to familiarize the public with their local history, Mrs. Jensen's lec- ture provided an intimate look into the lives of the early settlers as they met each season's sunshine and storms. No doubt about it, life in that Long Valley paradise was harsh. "People often went hungry, and there was really no way to earn a liv- ing," explained Mrs. Jensen. Her own grandfather was one . of the valley's mainstays. "Snowshoe Davis" he was called. "You see, he used to go out on snowshoes with the vz!ley's mail and when he came back, he'd bring our mail and food. Some fellows wrote out about jobs," she continued, "and their letters always went by snowshoe." Often "Snowshoe Davis" was the settlement's only contact with the outside world. Yet, if life was hard in those days, it also held cer- tain wonders which will nev- er return. "Back then, salm- on used to come up the Gold Fork (a creek which now flows into Cascade Reser- voir)," Mrs. Jensen recalled. "My mother said her oldest brother used to get a fish and carry it home over his shoulder with its tail drag- ging the ground. Of course," she added with a twinkle, "my brother never did get very tall." When her mother married, Mrs. Jensen's parents home- steaded in a log cabin not far from the Gold Fork. Soon they discovered not only fish populated the area. "Indians used to come and camp there," Mrs. Jensen explained. Apparently, the homesteaders were rather frightened at first, but in time, they found the Indians to be "nice friendly people. And they used to trade their moccasins for grain and oth- er things the settlers had." Yet, even in Mrs. Jensen's days, life could be pretty vio- lent on occasion. "One thing I remember is the "Ward Murder Case," she ex- claimed. "I was only a little girl, but I remember this fel- low came riding up to the door and asked my mother to go down to the Ward's be- cause the men had been shot and Mrs. Ward was there alone. She grabbed us each by the hand and practically dragged us down the road. Of course, by this time, the whole valley was there." It turned out to be another instance where cattlemen and sheepmen just don't mix. Apparently, a certain sheepherder did not take kindly to the Ward brothers' and simply hauled off and shot them both on their front porch. "My dad had to go all the way down to Weiser for the trial," Mrs. Jensen re- called. Weiser was their main connection with the world, for Weiser was where the train came from, and they depended upon the train for a good part of their supplies. "One winter the train didn't come in for six weeks. And I remember when it finally did, we all put on our skis and went to watch it come in," Mrs. Jensen continued. Sugar, flour, and coal oil were the three most basic necessities, and unfortu- nately, the coal oil always tended to leak on the other two, no matter where it was stashed in the train. Mrs. Jensen shook her head at the memory of one family that ate bread tasting of coal oil for an entire winter. Despite the fact that she moved away to attend school and did not return until 1933, Mrs. Jensen still vividly re- members the beauty of the countryside and feels that somehow Long Valley has always been "home" for her. "I remember the utter stillness then. All you'd hear was the sound of the trees popping in the cold." It was important in those days to have snowhorses, Mrs. Jensen explained. Her audience laughed. Snow - horses? Snowhorses, she de- fined, are merely those that have an instinct for follow- ing a road hidden beneath the snow. Some don't. And it took a good pair of snow - horses to pull freight sleds of supplies from McCall to the more remote territory . another of her father's win- ter occupations. But when the snow finally left the roads, all the Long Valley families finally got a chance to see a bit of the world around them ... Rose - berry, Norwood, Lardo, McCall. "I can remember running up and down the board walks at Roseberry. It was quite a town! And when my mother was a girl, it was a big deal to come up to McCall and camp on the lake for the 4th of July weekend," Mrs. Jensen re- called. She passed around a yel- lowing postcard of stiffly -col- lared gentlemen and ladies in filmy white dresses, naughtily posed with bottles aloft beside Payette Lake. Another dingy postcard declared that henceforth McCall would be called "Lakeport." (Yet, though Lakeport is once again McCall, and though Roseberry, Norwood, and Lardo are only shadows in memory, there are those who remain and remember. Intermarried and entangled through hardship and joy, the Long Valley old timers are a testament to their times. Touch one, and you will find a wealth of history and a rich vein of humor. Making a Dress or Biking a Pie? Valley Agent Shows Girls How By FRANCES COSKI D O N N E L L Y —Mrs. Pansy Scheline, whose home econom• ics- trained students have won district, state and national con, tests, has completed 15 years of 4 -H instructional activities and is eager to work at least that many more. She also spent 11 of those years teaching here and at Cascade. Home demonstration a g e n t for all of Valley County, Mrs. Scheline pioneered 4 -H work in this area, helped Mrs. Edwin Green to start the hot lunch program in the Donnelly - McCall High School. Her friends say that she has been responsible for shaping young lives by im- parting the knowledge she ob- tained from experience, deter- mination and hard work, by the desire to be a good mother, while at the same time helping others. Following her husband's death several years ago, Mrs. Scheline became the first ,home demon- stration agent, appointed by the U of I Board of Regents. She works directly with extension clubs, 4 -H groups and the coun- ty 4 -11 council. She started 4•H work with the help of Mrs. Green and Mrs. Vernon Lappins, when her young daughter, Sharron was eight. From the original 4 -H group, three girls received their college home economics degrees, Mrs. Dale Pline (Ellen Roberts) of Nampa, Mrs. Roger Williams (Anita Koskella) of Boise and Mrs. Scheline's older daughter, Mrs. Leroy Sundquist (Jane Scheline) of Coronado, Calif. The younger daughter, Sharron, now Mrs. Dennis Dalton who interrupted her education to be a IFYE student at Nepal, will get her home economics degree at Iowa State University in in- stitutional management this year. Two of Mrs. Scheline's Cas cade home economics students Maxine Mafune and Suzy Bean, won prizes in a national food company's bakeoff contest; oth- ers receiving special help from their teacher were Sally Cole and Maurine Goslin. Mrs. Dalton and Amy Loomis, another of Mrs. Scheline's stu- dents, won the National Wool Growers' make-it- yourself -with- wool contests and trips to Eu rope; this year Cheri Moltke won second in the state in the same contest, an honor which Sandra Nortune, WSL' freshman, had won previously. "These girls not only learned to sew step by step, they are taught to cook by using a good recipe, exact measurements and applying their own originality," Mrs. Scheline noted. Her two daughters and Miss Loomis, who won honors in the MRS. PANSY SCHELINE, photographed at her desk in the office, which was built by her late husband and belongs to her. Both extension offices are in the building, as well as the Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service and the USDA Soil Conservation Service. annual cherry pie baking con test at the state fair, competed in the national contest, and were selected, along with Bev. erly Wallace, another Donnelly girl, to go to the National 4 -I1 Congress in Chicago. Mrs. Scheline's pupils, who be come winners, also include adults. Mrs. F. E. Kerby of Cas cade, who won a regiona grange cooking contest, earner a trip to the National Grang: session in Winston - Salem, N. C Mrs. Kerby says: "Pansy helped me a lot with my recipe and gave me lots of advice. ii I owe her a lot." Others who have Won state and district prizes given by granges and food companies are Mrs. Hugh Fulton of Donnelly, Mrs. Art Bolar of Lakefork and Mrs. Jack Lloyd of Cascade. ,Of the successful 4 -H pro- gram in her county, Mrs. Sche- line says: "The credit for the outstanding accomplishments of C this small rural area goes t� the individuals, their parents) and 4 -H leaders, both state and county." Convention Models at McCall RS. KAY BARE (left) of Terreton and Miss Sandy Nor- t,pne of Donnelly will model the wool garments they made ,r last year's 'Make It Yourself With Wool' contest at the onvention of the Idaho Launderers and Dry Cleaners I-sociation convention Thursday, Friday and Saturday at ;cCall. The association will present $50 awards to'the girls firing its convention. The Idaho Woolgrowers' Auxiliary, hich sponsors the sewing competition, has started a new :1r of contest activity. Mrs. Phil Soulene of Weiser rivt director and Mrs. Lawrence Tnylor of Rexburg '. 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