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Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, June 14, 2011
1. Call to Order: Commissioner Victoria Reid called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Present: Planning Commissioners John Anderson, Kathleen Martin, Beth Nielsen,
Victoria Reid and Kent Williams
Absent: Charles Nolan and Robin Reid
Also Present: City Council member Elizabeth Weir, City Planner Dusty Finke, and
Dan Edgerton of Bonestroo.
2. Public Comments on items not on the agenda
No public comments.
3. Update from City Council proceedings
Council member Elizabeth Weir presented a report of recent activities and decisions
by the City Council.
4. Planning Department Report
Finke provided an update of upcoming Planning projects.
5. Approval of the May 10, 2011 Draft Planning Commission meeting minutes.
Motion by Martin, seconded by Anderson, to approve the May 10, 2011 minutes
with the recommended changes. Motion carried unanimously. (Absent Nolan and R.
Reid)
6. Continued Public Hearing - Ordinance Amendment - Chapter 8 of the Medina
Zoning Code to codify the City's stormwater management regulations.
Edgerton presented the staff report. He stated that new definitions had been added for
"Major" and "Minor" Expansion projects and the applicability was adjusted as
discussed by the Commission last month. Edgerton noted that standards were added
related to improvements on single family residential property so that a homeowner
would not need to complete an expensive engineering study in order to design a
raingarden. Edgerton showed graphic examples of how the applicability would work.
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Williams inquired about Section 828.33. Subd. 18 Appeals. He asked if the Appeals
was new since the previous meeting. Edgerton said it was not new. Williams asked
if an applicant wanted to appeal a decision what would the process entail. Finke
clarified the question by stating the request would initially be reviewed by City staff
and then if the applicant chose to Appeal staffs decision then it would be brought to
the City Council for review. Finke explained the Appeals process would typically be
related to situations that would fall under a "stop work order".
Martin asked if the 45 day period to review an Appeal on page 9 of the draft
ordinance was too long of a time period. Finke explained he needed time to review
the Appeal request to determine if it was complete and would treat it like a land use
application which requires 15 business days to determine completeness. V. Reid
asked Finke if the number of days were shortened if it would be a problem. Finke
said he'd need at least 15 days. The Commission concluded that 15 business days
would be a sufficient amount of time for staff to make a decision.
Public Hearing opened at 7:36 p.m.
Anderson recommended additional language be added as it relates to single family
homes and volume control. Martin suggested placing exceptions for single family
homes throughout the ordinance so that a homeowner could easily understand what
applies to them and what wouldn't apply.
Martin commented that the sentence "portions of the design manual are hereby
incorporated and applicable to certain developments as stated in this ordinance"
would need to be more clear as to what projects it is referring to within the ordinance.
V. Reid prefers language that references the design manual and the design manual
references the ordinance. Martin said she prefers terminology between the design
manual and ordinance to be consistent. The ordinance is internally consistent but the
design manual is not and has terminology within it that is not used within the
ordinance. She asked that definitions from the ordinance such as stop work order,
land disturbance activity and others be incorporated into the design manual.
Edgerton asked if the Commission wanted the definition of "Single Family
Residential Property" and the Commission concurred.
Martin asked to strike the last sentence on page three of the ordinance (Subd.4.
Applicability).
Martin recommended Subd. 4. D. is broken down into four components.
Council member Pederson noted the ordinance could make redevelopment very
difficult and properties wouldn't be improved.
Finke explained a new development under one acre is exempt under the draft
ordinance and said it didn't have to be that way.
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Martin said a stormwater management plan is designed by a professional engineer but
assumes single family homes wouldn't be required to follow the same requirements.
Finke inquired about the requirement that "New Development" requires disturbance
of an acre and then further reviewed minor, major expansion projects and single
family residential projects.
Finke said a Minor expansion wouldn't have the acre disturbance requirement. If a
project added 1000 square feet of hardcover the contractor would have to show the
modeling. Finke asked if the ordinance should have a lower threshold depending on
what is being done. V. Reid asked if another category would need to be added and
the Commission agreed. The Commission questioned how many parking spaces
would trigger the modeling requirement.
Edgerton stated a one acre parking lot would require two raingardens.
Conclusion of discussion is that an 8-10,000 square foot area for parking would
require a raingarden (approximate 800 square foot raingarden) in a commercial area,
and a larger project should trigger the full requirements of the ordinance.
Martin asked about b) at the bottom of page six. She asked for clarification and Finke
said it should read "Inspection of Stormwater Facilities in the Maintenance
Agreement" rather than "Inspection of Stormwater Facilities". Martin also suggested
replacing "may" with "shall" within the same paragraph.
The Commission discussed the impact of requiring a Performance Bond/Security and
if the percentage of estimated construction cost was too high for single family homes
as written on page seven. The Commission concluded to lower the amount and cash
would be acceptable.
Martin asked Edgerton the cost of a rain garden. Edgerton said it could cost
anywhere between $2,000.00 -$3,000.00 and Finke agreed to have a lower threshold
for a Performance Bond/Security.
Martin suggested the "as built" plans required for any stormwater treatment practices
be modified under Subd. 14. of page eight. She said that requiring an "as built" plan
could be quite expensive and as an alternative the contractor could red line the plans
on -site noting the changes.
Edgerton stated the emergency overflow for the raingarden would have to be verified.
The Commission said an inspection would have to be done by the City. Staff and the
Commission concluded that the language should be loosened as it relates to
raingardens on single family home lots so the language on page eight stating "written
certification by a registered professional engineer that the stormwater treatment
practice has been installed in accordance with the approved plan and other applicable
provisions of the ordinance" would have to be rewritten.
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Martin suggested under (d) on page nine that the cost be "certified" and Finke thought
it was possible based on how the language was written.
Martin said the date of approval would need to be changed to July rather than May
2011 on the last page of the ordinance for adoption.
Public Hearing was closed at 8:22 p.m.
Motion by Anderson, seconded Martin to recommend approval of the ordinance
(Section 838.33) pertaining to stormwater management per the recommendation
solutions offered at the Planning Commission meeting. Motion carried
unanimously. (Absent: Nolan and R. Reid)
7. Discussion — Off -premise signage and "Directional" signage
Finke informed the Commission that he had spoken to two different businesses with
two different requests related to off -premise signage. He said one request related to
allowing permanent off -premise signage advertising a business on a different property
from where the sign would be located. The sign would provide direction to another
business (ex: placing signage on a commercial corner lot for a business down the road
within an existing monument or pylon sign). The other request would be to allow
permanent directional signs in the City right-of-way that would guide drivers to a
local business that may not be at an intersection but rather not as visible to locate (ex:
small blue highway signs that provide guidance to business location to drivers).
Finke explained that the Target development has multiple businesses within that area
that advertise on different lots. He said if it hadn't been a PUD it wouldn't be
allowed under the current sign ordinance.
Anderson asked if the ordinance would be something that would be brought up later
in the year as the Commission reviewed the sign ordinance. Finke said the plan to
review the sign ordinance later in the year wouldn't have addressed this type of
change since the focus was going to be related to the rezoning changes. V. Reid said
she finds it difficult to understand how it is difficult to find a business with MapQuest
availability. Martin said she has a hard time being sympathetic to delivery drivers
since they usually have a GPS system. She further said that when a person buys a
business and is aware of its location and lack of visibility it is difficult to understand
the need.
Anderson asked if this type of signage would cause any public safety issues or
concern. Finke said that there has not been a record of incidents, but in one of the
business situations if a driver passes the business the driver is stuck on a gravel road
and it's difficult to turn around.
Nielsen asked what the business names were that had issues. Finke said Dairy Queen
is thinking of moving down on Hwy 12 and County Road 29, in the strip center next
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to Subway and Anytime Fitness. Weir asked if DQ used to be there and Finke said
yes. Williams asked if the DQ wanted a directional sign or an advertising sign. Finke
said an advertising sign. The Commission asked where they would want to advertise
and Finke said at the Holiday Gas Station store on the corner. The Commission
voiced their concerns and Weir said that previous to Finke the same request was made
and the Council decided it was a visual clutter to advertise on the corner.
Council member Pederson asked if City signage in the right-of-way such as the
Uptown Hamel sign along Sioux Drive would be in jeopardy if the City didn't change
the ordinance. He further commented that when the County Road 116 interchange
happens with a frontage road he would anticipate a lot of requests.
Williams said he would rather allow on a case by case basis, but not specifically
advertising. He didn't think billboards should be allowed. Finke asked if there was
support for off -premise signage done through a coordinated effort so that there would
not be an increase in the number of signs on -site and that all of the businesses
advertise on one sign rather than more than one. The Commission concurred that
they would accept the situation.
Weir asked if the Holiday Station store were maximized on their signage currently
and the other businesses wanted to advertise on the Holiday site would the Holiday
site get more square footage of advertising or would they have to work within what
the allowable square footage they have and have to reduce existing signage on -site.
Finke said he didn't know, but it would have to be part of the discussion. Finke said
the regulations could be written in a way that either allows square footage to be
transferred from another property or which limits each property to the standard
maximum as if they only did their own advertising.
V. Reid offered the idea of allowing additional signage to encourage shared signage.
Martin said she would agree with the suggestion. Martin said what is more important
to her is the quality and aesthetics of the sign.
Williams said the consensus of the Commission is that shared signage would be
acceptable and Finke added that assumes it is one shared sign.
V. Reid said she is fine with directional signage. The balance of the Commissioners
agreed with the directional signage.
8. City Council Meeting Schedule
June 21, 2011 — Anderson
July 5, 2011— Williams
9. Adjourn
Motion by Nielsen, seconded by Williams, to adjourn the meeting at 8:45 p.m.
Motion carried unanimously. (Absent: Nolan and R. Reid)
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