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Airport Advisory Committee
November 3`h, 2005 — Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 1203 local with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry
McCauley, Dan Scott and Chairman John Seevers present. Member Frankie Romero was
out of town. Additional persons attending were Rick Harvey (Airport Manager),
Toothman-Orton consulting engineer Kevin Bissell and City Council member Bill
Robertson. Seven airport users were in attendance.
Minutes from the October meeting were reviewed. Mr. Seevers moved to have the
minutes approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
Public Comment: None — John Seevers took this time to give a brief overview of the
committee's recent trip to the Friedman Memorial Airport to meet with Rick Baird, the
airport manager. Mr. Baird and Chuck Sundby (Toothman-Orton) had highly
recommended the visit in order to see some of the mistakes made at the Bailey airport in
years past when they were experiencing rapid growth similar to what is happening at
McCall now.
Airport Manager's Report:
➢ Update on construction projects:
• Fencing along eastern property — completed
• Fence repair at Dew Aviation - complete
• Runway markings re -painting — completed
• Fence repair at McCall Aviation — waiting for estimate
• Taxi line realignment in front of McCall Aviation - completed
➢ Snow removal equipment solicitation specifications — re -write now being done.
FAA money not available until March 2006. FAA/ADO has budgeted for this.
Possibility of leasing with payments applied toward cost, thus reimbursing the
city.
➢ Winter snow removal plan:
• 1 snow plow operator hired, has completed CDL
• 2nd snow plow operator to start next week
Business
➢ Hangar 105 Proposal (presented at Oct AAC meeting) The AAC wants to see
the following from the owner:
• Use intentions of the hangar
• Survey
• Building elevations
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t h e a i r p o r t f o r i m p r o v e m e n t s . T h e A A C f e l t t h i s w a s a g r e a t i d e a a n d w a n t e d t o
e x p l o r e t h i s f u r t h e r . O n e q u e s t i o n w a s w h e t h e r o r n o t t h e i n t e n d e d l a n d f o r f u t u r e
a c q u i s i t i o n n e e d e d t o b e w i t h i n t h e c i t y l i m i t s .
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l i s t s . T h e h a n g a r w a i t i n g l i s t s t e e r i n g c o m m i t t e e w a s s t i l l d o i n g r e s e a r c h a n d
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r e v i e w e d w i t h m a n y b e i n g m o d i f i e d :
C u r r e n t F u e l F l o w a g e F e e s :
- E s t a b l i s h e d w i t h 1 9 9 0 R e s o l u t i o n 1 0 - 9 0
- $ 0 . 0 4 / g a l l o n ( b o t h j e t & a v g a s )
- $ 0 . 0 4 c o r r e c t e d t o 2 0 0 5 C P I = $ 0 . 0 5 6
- A A C r e c o m m e n d e d f u e l f l o w a g e f e e a d j u s t e d t o $ 0 . 0 6 / g a l l o n
( b o t h f u e l t y p e s )
S e a s o n a l T i e - D o w n R a t e s :
- E s t a b l i s h e d w i t h 1 9 9 0 R e s o l u t i o n 1 0 - 9 0
H a r d - s u r f a c e t i e - d o w n a r e a s = $ 1 5 . 0 0 / m o n t h
A l l o t h e r t i e - d o w n a r e a s = $ 7 . 5 0 / m o n t h
- A A C r e c o m m e n d e d T i e - D o w n R a t e s a d j u s t e d t o :
" H a r d s u r f a c e = $ 3 0 . 0 0 / m o n t h
" A l l o t h e r s u r f a c e = $ 1 5 . 0 0 / m o n t h
Overnight Aircraft Parking:
- Established with 2000 Resolution 00-05
Currently:
• $4.00/night Single & Light twin (tagged at tie -down)
• $10.00/night Turbo -prop, Jet & Heavy (currently not tagged)
AAC recommended:
• Piston single & light piston twin (less than 6000 lbs) —
$5.00/night
• Greater than 6000 lbs - $10.00/night
• Turbine powered single/twin - $10.00/night
• Jet, less than 12,500 lbs - $30.00/night
• Jet, more than 12,500 lbs - $45.00/night
• Collected at FBO on sign -in and/or fuel bill with a
percentage and/or fixed amount returned to the FBO for
collection service - this amount needs to be settled
before this goes to city council
Land Leases:
- Established with 2000 Resolution 00-05
$0.10/sq ft bare ground — CPI adjusted/year, currently $0.115
$0.20/sq ft covered ground — CPI adjusted/year, currently $0.229
AAC recommended: (for new leases established under this
resolution)
• $0.12/sq ft bare ground
• $0.23/sq ft covered ground
Landing Fees:
- Established with 2000 Resolution 00-05
Commercial operators $0.50/1000 lbs
- Min fee $3.00
- Collected by Airport Manager (no means to do this)
- AAC recommended:
• All USFS, fire fighting and life flight are exempt from this
fee
• Aircraft less than 8000 lbs — free
• Aircraft more than 8000 lbs - $1.00/1000 lbs of certified
max takeoff weight above 8000 lbs
• All fees collected by FBO on sign -in and/or fuel bill with
a percentage and/or fixed amount returned to the FBO
for collection service — this amount needs to be settled
before this goes to city council
Adjournment — The meeting was adjourned at 15271oca1
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City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
October 13`h, 2005 — Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 1205 local with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry
McCauley, Dan Scott, Frankie Romero and Chairman John Seevers present. Additional
persons attending were Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), and Toothman-Orton consulting
engineer Kevin Bissell. Two airport users were in attendance.
Minutes from the September meeting were reviewed. Dan Scott pointed out that a detail
from the September meeting appeared to be missing (parking lot paving on capital
projects list). With this correction made to the minutes, Mr. Seevers moved to have the
minutes approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
Public Comment: None
Airport Manager's Report:
➢ Update on construction projects:
• Asphalt repair to parallel taxiway completed on the 6`h of October
• Fencing along eastern property started today
• Runway markings re -painting to begin next week (weather permitting)
➢ Snow removal equipment solicitation specifications — the airport manager wrote a
set of specifications for a wheel loader but they were not approved by the FAA.
He had since received an example from the FAA/ADO. A re -write will now be
done. FAA money not available until March 2006. FAA/ADO has budgeted for
this.
➢ The airport manager outlined the tri-state mangers conference from the previous
week along with lessons learned.
➢ _ 2005/2006 Hangar leases billing cycle - complete
➢ Winter snow removal plan:
• snow plow operators selected (5 months/40 hrs per week)
- one will start next week (winter preparation)
- one will start mid November (spring clean-up)
• Equipment inventory
• Runway snow maintenance plan
➢ Web Site — updates and feed -back
➢ Through the Fence Operations — handout and discussion
Business
➢ East Hangar RFP — The airport manager presented a plan that he and Kevin
Bissell of Toothman-Orton had been working on whereby a RFP would be sent
out to see what the response would be to the feasibility of building a taxilane and
a row of approximately 23 hangars on the undeveloped airport property along the
eastern border. He also presented the letters from the airport planner (Tom
Schnetzer of Mead & Hunt) and Don Larson of the FAA/ADO, expressing their
wishes that the RFP be delayed until the completion of the Airport Master Plan.
A discussion ensued:
• John Seevers felt that we owed the airport users some relief to the hangar
shortage situation and that proposed uses for the land in question had
never been for anything other than "low end use such as long term parking
or roadway."
• Dan Scott felt that the airport cannot come to a stop in excess of a year
waiting for a go/no-go reading from the master -plan.
• Jerry McCauley felt that the RFP should be "kept alive." A discussion
ensued on what "kept alive" means? It was discussed how the AAC
should continue in refining the RFP. A motion was made and approved,
that the RFP will be refined and standardized.
• Dan Scott felt that there should be some variance in the hangar size
specification in the RFP.
• John Seevers felt that a developer who builds all or part of this project. (the
entire project would be built to one set of specifications and elevations)
must sell the units to ensure that the hangar waiting list policy is adhered
to.
➢ Hangar 105 Proposal to expand leasehold with hangar enlargement — The AAC
wanted to see the following from the owner:
• a description on what the proposed use of the hangar would be
• marks placed on the ground of both the land leasehold and proposed
building footprint so the AAC could see if it impacts any existing facility
or proposed uses.
➢ Hangar Waiting List Proposal — John Seevers addressed his concems on the
existing hangar waiting list. He found names duplicated and stated how a
monetary reservation policy would eliminate some of the people who are purely
speculative.
• Dan Scott recommended the following for those on the list:
- noncommercial use
have to have an aircraft
when a space/unit becomes available and it's your turn it is offered
to you regardless of size. If it doesn't fit your need you're passed
over and the offer made to the next person
" J o h n S e e v e r s w a n t e d a c o m m i t t e e f o r m e d t o c o m e u p a h a n g a r w a i t i n g l i s t
p o l i c y i n v o l v i n g a m o n e t a r y r e s e r v a t i o n s y s t e m
- D a n S c o t t , L o r i M a c N i c h o l a n d G o r d o n E c c l e s v o l u n t e e r e d t o f o r m
a c o m m i t t e e
�' A i r p o r t P a r k i n g L o t T h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r s a i d h e w o u l d a p p r o a c h t h e c i t y a t
t h e n e x t D e p a r t m e n t H e a d m e e t i n g o n t h e f o l l o w i n g :
" c o d e e n f o r c e m e n t t o s o l v e t h e a b a n d o n e d c a r i s s u e ( 1 2 h o u r l i m i t )
" p a v i n g p o s s i b i l i t i e s f o r n e x t s p r i n g
" g r a d i n g / r o a d b a s e p r e p a r a t i o n p r i o r t o t h i s w i n t e r
" s n o w p l o w i n g r e s p o n s i b i l i t y ( c i t y o r a i r p o r t )
" l o n g t e r m f e e p a r k i n g a c r o s s t h e s t r e e t ( R i d l e y ' s )
�' J e t P a r k i n g / C o m p l a i n t s a s t u d y w a s d o n e b y t h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r a n d D a n
S c o t t a f t e r t h e S e p t e m b e r A A C m e e t i n g t o r e m e d y c o m p l a i n t s v o i c e d b y D e w
A i r c r a f t a n d M c C a l l M o u n t a i n C a n y o n F l y i n g a b o u t j e t p a r k i n g / o p e r a t i o n s i n
f r o n t o f M c C a l l A v i a t i o n . A n a d d i t i o n a l c o n c e r n o f t h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r w a s
t a x i w a y i n c u r s i o n s w h e n m o r e t h a n o n e j e t i s p a r k e d o n M c C a l l A v i a t i o n ' s a p r o n .
A s o l u t i o n w a s t o e l i m i n a t e s i x t r a n s i e n t t i e - d o w n s , f i l l t h e c u p s w i t h e p o x y ,
b l a c k e n o u t t h e e x i s t i n g t a x i l i n e s a n d r e p a i n t a n e w t a x i l i n e . T h i s h a d b e e n
d i s c u s s e d w i t h K e v i n B i s s e l l a n d s a i d i t w a s a n e a s y p r o c e s s n o t r e q u i r i n g a
c h a n g e t o t h e A L P . J o h n S e e v e r s s a i d h e w a n t e d t h i s t a k e n c a r e o f i m m e d i a t e l y
a n d t h e p r o b l e m w i t h a r e d u c e d n u m b e r o f t i e - d o w n s c o u l d b e a d d r e s s a t a l a t e r
d a t e . T h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r w i l l h a n d l e t h i s .
A d j o u r n m e n t T h e m e e t i n g w a s a d j o u r n e d a t 1 4 4 6 l o c a l
h n S e e v e r s , C h a i r m a n
R i c k H a r v e y , A i r p o r t a g e r
City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
October 131h, 2005 — Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 1205 local with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry
McCauley, Dan Scott, Frankie Romero and Chairman John Seevers present. Additional
persons attending were Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), and Toothman-Orton consulting
engineer Kevin Bissell. Two airport users were in attendance.
Minutes from the September meeting were reviewed. Dan Scott pointed out that a detail
from the September meeting appeared to be missing (parking lot paving on capital
projects list). With this correction made to the minutes, Mr. Seevers moved to have the
minutes approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
Public Comment: None
Airport Manager's Report:
➢ Update on construction projects:
• Asphalt repair to parallel taxiway completed on the 6`h of October
• Fencing along eastern property started today
• Runway markings re -painting to begin next week (weather permitting)
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➢ Snow removal equipment solicitation specifications — the airport manager wrote a
set of specifications for a wheel loader but they were not approved by the FAA.
He had since received an example from the FAA/ADO. A re -write will now be
done. FAA money not available until March 2006. FAA/ADO has budgeted for
this.
➢ The airport manager outlined the tri-state mangers conference from the previous
week along with lessons learned.
➢ 2005/2006 Hangar leases billing cycle - complete
➢ Winter snow removal plan:
• snow plow operators selected (5 months/40 hrs per week)
- one will start next week (winter preparation)
- one will start mid November (spring clean-up)
• Equipment inventory
• Runway snow maintenance plan
➢ Web Site — updates and feed -back
➢ Through the Fence Operations — handout and discussion
Business
➢ East Hangar RFP — The airport manager presented a plan that he and Kevin
Bissell of Toothman-Orton had been working on whereby a RFP would be sent
out to see what the response would be to the feasibility of building a taxilane and
a row of approximately 23 hangars on the undeveloped airport property along the
eastern border. He also presented the letters from the airport planner (Tom
Schnetzer of Mead & Hunt) and Don Larson of the FAA/ADO, expressing their
wishes that the RFP be delayed until the completion of the Airport Master Plan.
A discussion ensued:
• John Seevers felt that we owed the airport users some relief to the hangar
shortage situation and that proposed uses for the land in question had
never been for anything other than "low end use such as long term parking
or roadway."
• Dan Scott felt that the airport cannot come to a stop in excess of a year
waiting for a go/no-go reading from the master -plan.
• Jerry McCauley felt that the RFP should be "kept alive." A discussion
ensued on what "kept alive" means? It was discussed how the AAC
should continue in refining the RFP. A motion was made and approved,
that the RFP will be refined and standardized.
• Dan Scott felt that there should be some variance in the hangar size
specification in the RFP.
• John Seevers felt that a developer who builds all or part of this project. (the
entire project would be built to one set of specifications and elevations)
must sell the units to ensure that the hangar waiting list policy is adhered
to.
➢ Hangar 105 Proposal to expand leasehold with hangar enlargement — The AAC
wanted to see the following from the owner:
• a description on what the proposed use of the hangar would be
• marks placed on the ground of both the land leasehold and proposed
building footprint so the AAC could see if it impacts any existing facility
or proposed uses.
➢ Hangar Waiting List Proposal — John Seevers addressed his concerns on the
existing hangar waiting list. He found names duplicated and stated how a
monetary reservation policy would eliminate some of the people who are purely
speculative.
• Dan Scott recommended the following for those on the list:
noncommercial use
- have to have an aircraft
when a space/unit becomes available and it's your turn it is offered
to you regardless of size. If it doesn't fit your need you're passed
over and the offer made to the next person
" J o h n S e e v e r s w a n t e d a c o m m i t t e e f o r m e d t o c o m e u p a h a n g a r w a i t i n g l i s t
p o l i c y i n v o l v i n g a m o n e t a r y r e s e r v a t i o n s y s t e m
- D a n S c o t t , L o r i M a c N i c h o l a n d G o r d o n E c c l e s v o l u n t e e r e d t o f o r m
a c o m m i t t e e
�' A i r p o r t P a r k i n g L o t T h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r s a i d h e w o u l d a p p r o a c h t h e c i t y a t
t h e n e x t D e p a r t m e n t H e a d m e e t i n g o n t h e f o l l o w i n g :
" c o d e e n f o r c e m e n t t o s o l v e t h e a b a n d o n e d c a r i s s u e ( 1 2 h o u r l i m i t )
" p a v i n g p o s s i b i l i t i e s f o r n e x t s p r i n g
" g r a d i n g / r o a d b a s e p r e p a r a t i o n p r i o r t o t h i s w i n t e r
" s n o w p l o w i n g r e s p o n s i b i l i t y ( c i t y o r a i r p o r t )
" l o n g t e r m f e e p a r k i n g a c r o s s t h e s t r e e t ( R i d l e y ' s )
�' J e t P a r k i n g / C o m p l a i n t s a s t u d y w a s d o n e b y t h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r a n d D a n
S c o t t a f t e r t h e S e p t e m b e r A A C m e e t i n g t o r e m e d y c o m p l a i n t s v o i c e d b y D e w
A i r c r a f t a n d M c C a l l M o u n t a i n C a n y o n F l y i n g a b o u t j e t p a r k i n g / o p e r a t i o n s i n
f r o n t o f M c C a l l A v i a t i o n . A n a d d i t i o n a l c o n c e r n o f t h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r w a s
t a x i w a y i n c u r s i o n s w h e n m o r e t h a n o n e j e t i s p a r k e d o n M c C a l l A v i a t i o n ' s a p r o n .
A s o l u t i o n w a s t o e l i m i n a t e s i x t r a n s i e n t t i e - d o w n s , f i l l t h e c u p s w i t h e p o x y ,
b l a c k e n o u t t h e e x i s t i n g t a x i l i n e s a n d r e p a i n t a n e w t a x i l i n e . T h i s h a d b e e n
d i s c u s s e d w i t h K e v i n B i s s e l l a n d s a i d i t w a s a n e a s y p r o c e s s n o t r e q u i r i n g a
c h a n g e t o t h e A L P . J o h n S e e v e r s s a i d h e w a n t e d t h i s t a k e n c a r e o f i m m e d i a t e l y
a n d t h e p r o b l e m w i t h a r e d u c e d n u m b e r o f t i e - d o w n s c o u l d b e a d d r e s s a t a l a t e r
d a t e . T h e a i r p o r t m a n a g e r w i l l h a n d l e t h i s
A d j o u r n m e n t T h e m e e t i n g w a s a d j o u r n e d a t 1 4 4 6 1 o c a l
h n S e e v e r s , C h a i r m a n
R i c k H a r v e y , A i r p o r t ' a g e r
City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
September 1st2005 — Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 1207 local with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry
McCauley, Dan Scott, Frankie Romero and Chairman John Seevers present. Additional
persons attending were Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), and Toothman-Orton consulting
engineer Kevin Bissell. About 20 concerned airport users were in attendance.
Minutes from the August meeting were reviewed. A detail from the August meeting
appeared to be missing. With this correction made to the August minutes, Mr. Seevers
moved to have the minutes approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
John Seevers then voiced his concerns on keeping opinions expressed before the
committee brief — roughly 3 minutes, since so much material had to be covered and to
prevent the meeting from running too long.
Public Comment:
➢ Mr. Mike DeBoer, McCall, inquired about the possibility of the city planting trees
along the backside of the hangar row in an attempt to shield the view of the
hangars from highway 55. The airport manager said he would look into the
possibility of any available tree grants. (note: shortly after the meeting, the
airport manager inquired with the city's grant writer to see if this was possible. A
similar request was made about 3 years ago and denied because the airport
property line was too far from the highway. In the meantime, other possibilities
are being explored including reapplying for the same grant)
Airport Manager's Report:
➢ New consultant's contract - $900/month — what it provides us.
➢ Tentative Airport Budget — to accommodate consultant expenses
➢ October AAC Meeting — Airport Manager will be at a conference during the first
Thursday of October— AAC agreed to hold the meeting on the 13`h of October at
12:00 noon at the Fire Station (Legion Hall not available)
➢ Parking Lot — The Airport Manager recommended the AAC delay any decisions
on this until October. An airport urban renewal district has been suggested with
that meeting being the 13t of September. The emphasis among the AAC member
attending the workshop will be the parking lot.
➢ Runway pavement markings repainting — Paint will be purchase through airport
budget with painting being conducted by the public works department.
➢ Windsocks will be replaced this fall after snow plow operator is employed.
Department will rent a "cherry picker." Manager already has new windsocks.
➢ Airport runway lighting update — spare lamps for all fixtures have been ordered.
When snow flags are installed in October, each fixture will be checked and re-
lamped with the correct wattage bulb as required. Sign board lamps will all be
replaced. An electrical contractor will be hired for the serious problems we have.
Problems will be ongoing since most of the receptacle wells are full of water
(little or no drainage — installation contract was not properly conducted).
➢ PAPI Runway 16 is operating and was calibration checked (3.25 degrees). The
PAPI was flight checked by some AAC members and they recommended that it
remain at this angle (July agenda item).
➢ Asphalt repairs, parallel taxiway — contacted 3 contractors and received 2 bids
(Valley Paving and Boswell), not awarded as of yet. Asphalt mix of ITD specs
were approved by Seattle ADO.
➢ Fencing contract — received 3 bids (Anvil, Cascade and Lake Fork Fence) Lake
Fork had the lowest proposal, $24,000 (later changed to $26,000 due to a FAA
specification requirement). AAC awarded bid to Lake Fork Fence. Old fence
line was cleared out by city public works. Requested grant agreement through
Seattle ADO.
➢ Assessment of Snow Removal Equipment — Three different products of
equivalent capability were reviewed (Cat, Komatsu, John Deere) and the John
Deere salesman was present and gave a presentation. The AAC was most
impressed with John Deere and their price. In the meantime the manager is
working with the FAA and the State Aeronautics on a possible "piggy back" order
or ordering through GSA. The actual order will not be possible until FAA money
becomes available in March 2006.
➢ CIP Development — The AAC reviewed the five year priorities for capital
improvements. The airport manager will refine this list and work with Toothman-
Orton on estimating cost. The possible list was the following:
➢
• Crack sealing — 2005 (reimbursement)
• Airport Parking Lot - 2005
• Master Plan - 2006
• Fencing — 2006
• Taxiway asphalt repair — 2006
• Snow removal equipment — 2006
• Land acquisition — 2007(?)
• Snow broom — 2007(?)
• North triangle parking paving — 2007(?)
• North east ramp repave — 2008(?)
• Taxiway realignment — 2008(?)
• Move hill south of runway — 2009(?)
• Move Deinhard (again) — 2010(?)
• Lengthen runway — 2010(?)
• Land Acquisition Update — FAA says that if the city can buy land (ie; any
means of raising capital) the sooner the better. If the city follows the
procedures outlined in AC 150/5100-17 then they are eligible for future
reimbursement if the funds are available (FAA will not commit to this)
and the land is eligible for AIP grants. Several mean of raising capital
have since been reviewed by the city attorney and will be presented at the
next AAC meeting.
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( a p p r o x i m a t e ) :
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- F e n c i n g
- A s p h a l t r e p a i r
- S n o w r e m o v a l e q u i p m e n t
- M a s t e r P l a n ( a p p r o x )
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( F A A $ 2 4 , 7 0 0 )
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$ 4 2 3 , 6 7 5
$ 1 1 2 , 2 3 7
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s u b m i t t e d t o t h e A i r p o r t M a n a g e r t w o w e e k s p r i o r t o t h e s c h e d u l e d m e e t i n g d a t e
w i t h c o p i e s ( h a r d o r e l e c t r o n i c ) f o r e a c h c o m m i t t e e m e m b e r t o r e v i e w . T h e
a g e n d a ( p o s t e d o n e w e e k p r i o r ) w i l l c o n t a i n s u f f i c i e n t d e s c r i p t i o n o f t h e p r o p o s a l .
T h e c o m m i t t e e a g r e e d t o t h i s p r o c e d u r e .
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7 4 6 0 a n d a l e t t e r f r o m t h e n e i g h b o r i n g h a n g a r o w n e r . C o m m i t t e e m e m b e r s
w a n t e d t o i n s p e c t t h e a r e a f o r i n c u r s i o n o f t h e r a i l s u p p o r t p o s t i n t o t h e a f t h a n g a r
a c c e s s a r e a .
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r e s t a t i n g h e r i n t e n s i o n s a n d h e r a c c o m p l i s h m e n t o f i t e m s r e q u i r e d b y t h e A A C
f r o m t h e l a s t m e e t i n g . S h e h a d c o n v e r s e d w i t h t h e C o m m u n i t y P l a n n e r , s t a t e d
t h a t t h e e x p a n s i o n w a s f o r a v i a t i o n u s e , w o u l d i n c u r t h e e x p e n s e o f r e - r o u t i n g
u t i l i t i e s a n d w o u l d c o m p l e t e a f o r m 7 4 6 0 . T h e i s s u e o f t h e c i t y n o t i n c u r r i n g t h e
a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n s e o f t h e m o d i f i c a t i o n s h o u l d t h e y h a v e t o " b u y b a c k " t h e h a n g a r
w a s d e b a t e d . T h e o w n e r i n s i s t e d t h a t t h e c i t y a t t o r n e y b e c o n s u l t e d p e n d i n g .
�' M c C a l l A v i a t i o n P r o p o s e d H a n g a r ( A u g A A C ) P u b l i c c o m m e n t s , q u e s t i o n s &
a n s w e r s . M r . S c o t t r e l i v e d h i m s e l f f r o m t h e b o a r d . P u b l i c i s s u e s f r o m s i z e ,
c o n g e s t i o n , n o i s e t o j e t f u m e s . M r . S c o t t g a v e h i s r e s p o n s e s . G o r d o n E c c l e s
m a d e m o t i o n t o a p p r o v e : T w o n o v o t e s , T w o y e s v o t e s . J o h n S e e v e r s s a i d t h e
p r o p o s a l g o e s b e f o r e t h e C i t y C o u n c i l w i t h n o r e c o m m e n d a t i o n s o r a d v i s e f r o m
t h e A A C .
A d j o u r n m e n t : T h e m e e t i n g w a s a d j o u r n e d a t 1 4 4 0 1 o c a l .
R i c a r v e y , A i r p o r t g e r
City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
August a 2005 — Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 12071ocal with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry
McCauley, Dan Scott, Frankie Romero and Chairman John Seevers present. Additional
persons attending were Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), Councilman Bill Robertson and
Toothman-Orton consulting engineers Chuck Sundby and Kevin Bissell.
Minutes from the July meetings were reviewed. Mr. Eccle moved to have the minutes
approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
Public Comment:
➢ None
Airport Manager's Report:
The Airport Manager gave a general overview of how things were going, outlined the
process for consultant selection (25 July, 2005) and then introduced the new engineering
consultants representing the firm of Toothman-Orton. The Firm of Mead -Hunt was
selected as the firm for planning (new airport master plan) and would be a subcontractor
to Toothman-Orton. He then went into specific issues presented to the committee in
outline form:
Tentative FY 2006 department budget
Proposed AIP's for FY 2006 (approximately $420,000 federal matching
available)
➢ Crack Sealing (completed in 2005, reimbursed in FY 2006) $14,530.
➢ Mater Plan, approximately $100,000 (approx)
➢ Snow Removal Equipment, $150,000 (approx)
➢ Security Fencing (1500'), approximately $40,000
➢ Combined Maintenance Items
• Runway lighting maintenance
• PAPI calibration and repair
• Pavement markings repainted
• Parking Lot
• Asphalt Repair
Drain dip on ramp
Trenching on taxiway
Dip on taxiway
AAC's recommendations: The committee asked for further information on snow
removal equipment. The selection of a CAT 924GZ Loader (or equivalent size in
another brand) was not recommended by the consultants. More research was
recommended by the AAC.
- 2006 Tie -Down policy proposals — the AAC reviewed and accepted the
proposed Tie -Down agreement for the 2006 seasonal tie -downs. Most of the
changes are minor administrative matters. The airport manager will go before
the city council at a later date to propose a new resolution to increase tie -down
fees to $30.00/month.
Business
- Tenant's Proposals — With each of the following, the AAC listened to the
proposals and moved on the preceding acceptance criteria for each:
➢ Hangar 106B — new bi-fold door; the AAC wanted the following:
• to ensure this modification was approved by the Form 7460
process
• a letter from the tenant's neighbor stating he agrees with the
modification (since his doors would slide to the outside). This
letter being brought to the next AAC meeting
➢ Hangar 106F — expansion by extending the hangar 28 feet to the aft; the
AAC wanted to the following:
• to ensure this modification was approved by the Form 7460
process
• a statement from the owner that the hangar is being expanded for
aviation use
• a statement from the owner that no negative cost impact to the city
due to relocating power lines, etc
• an understanding that if the city had to buy the hangar(s) back they
would not be responsible for the incremental expense of added
improvements
• a statement from the Community Developer that the expansion is
in compliance with the highway 55 "Scenic Route" criteria
➢ New hangar on north apron — expansion of services by McCall Aviation.
Dan Scott dismissed himself from the AAC to present his proposal —
request to lease 46,000 square feet from the city to construct a 100' x 120'
storage hangar in the current location of the Airport Manager's Office
(which would be moved by the City of McCall) and would build to suit a
new office and shop/garage facilities for the Airport Manager. The AAC
with advice from the Toothman-Orton engineering consultant wanted to
see the following:
• to ensure this project was approved by the Form 7460 process
• to submit the proposal to Don Larson, Seattle ADO/Planning
• to give public notice of when Mr. Scott would give this
presentation again (possibly next AAC)
Adjournment: The committee adjourned at 1652 local
John Seevers, Chairman
Rick Harvey, Airport Manager
City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
July 7th 2005 Minutes
The meeting was called to order at 1202 with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry McCauley
and Dan Scott present (minimum quorum). Additional persons attending were Rick
Harvey (Airport Manager), Councilman Bill Robertson and Armstrong Consulting Client
Service Manager, Amber Yates.
Minutes from the May and June meetings were reviewed. Mr. Eccles moved that the
minutes be approved, it was seconded and the minutes were approved.
Public Comment:
None
Airport Manager's Report:
The Airport Manager gave a general overview of how things were going and then went
into specific issues presented to the committee in outline form.
- Budget — The committee was walked through the budget process with specific
emphasis on the upcoming payments of the Armstrong Bill (the terminated
Triangle project, $22,500) and the current asphalt maintenance contract. Asphalt
maintenance will be 95% reimbursed by FAA in FY 2006 along with assistance
from Idaho Division of Aeronautics. The Armstrong bill was discussed at length
with their representative (Amber Yates) and it was concluded that some of the
responsibility of the failed project lay with Armstrong with their lack of
consulting expertise on such issues as snow storage. Ms Yates said she would
discuss this with here supervisors.
RFQ's for new consultants — Don Larson (FAA Seattle) told the airport manager
he wants the airport to advertise for a new engineering consultant and a planning
consultant to do a new Master Plan. A new Master Plan is imperative before any
land acquisition. The RFQ's went out and the closing date is the 15th with
interviews on the 18t.
FAA visit — Ms Trang Tran, Bill Watson and Dave Roberts of the FAA/Seattle
came on the 6'h of July to meet the new airport manager and to do a compliance
inspection. Capital projects for the next several years were discussed. The airport
compliance inspection was satisfactory with six short term action due items:
➢ Cut grass around RWY marking signs
➢ Move equipment from safety areas
➢ Repair 4 RWY lights
➢ Repair 3 RWY end threshold light
➢ Repair one end threshold coupling
➢ Verify REILs for RWY 16
- Land acquisition Update — The airport manager cited references to compliance
order 5190.6A justifying the land acquisition. He also discussed his initial
meeting with Mr. Judd Debour on the 22❑d of June and how estimated (from his
discussion with the FAA the previous day) on how much land the airport could
possibly buy.
- Parking Lot — The airport manager showed estimates on how much it would cost
to have segments of the parking lot paved. As it stands the parking lot is an add
on bid to the city's paving bid. The committee decided that the airport should
complete the parking lot with AIP funds if the major parts of the parking lot
paving could not be done by the city.
- Asphalt Maintenance — The current crack sealing project is underway and the
committee was briefed on its status and how it was going to be paid for since it
was initiated outside the annual AIP application period. At least $2000 was
promised by the Idaho Division of Aeronautics and the FAA portion was be
reimbursed next fiscal year.
- Security Program — The gates are in effect and the committee was briefed on how
well the program was operating.
- WEB Site — The airport manager talked about additions to the airport's web site
and there pursued a discussion about airport marketing.
- PAPI RWY 16 — The airport manager demonstrated the procedures for changing
the visual glide path angle since there had been concern that the PAPI brought
aircraft in too low to the tress on RWY 16. The committee decided to have the
PAPI checked by an engineer (after one comes on board) to ensure that it is
presently at the 3.25 degrees as listed in the airport master record.
Fly ins — an update to the scheduled fly -ins was presented.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 1435
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John Seevers, Chairman, AAC
City of McCall
Airport Advisory Committee
Minutes for 2nd June 2005
Call to Order
Chairman John Seevers called the meeting to order at 9:04 AM
Members Present:
John Seevers
Jerry McCauley
Gordon Eccles
Frank Romero
Dan Scott
Attendees:
Rick Harvey, Airport Manager
Minutes of the Previous Meeting (only 2 weeks prior) were not present. John Seevers
said he would have them approved with these minutes.
Introduction by John Seevers (new AAC Chairman)
Conduct of the AAC
Prior to the meeting John Seevers had presented to all his committee members the
following:
Copy of AAC Charter
Ethics in Govemment Manual
Idaho Public Records Law Manual
Idaho Open Meeting Law Manual
Dan Scott presented an outline of each manual summarizing specific rules which applied
to the AAC. John Seevers then followed with an overview on how he expected the
meetings to be conducted.
Gordon Eccles reviewed the protocol on how the agenda will be posted. It was agreed
that agendas will be posted in City Hall, the Airport Manager's office, the two FBO's, on
the AAC web site as well as a copy to the city clerk.
John Seevers initiated a discussion on the formation of ad hoc committees with regards to
future projects such as land acquisition. It was generally agreed upon by the committee
that the city should form any necessary subcommittees for information gathering, of
which the information would be dispersed to the committee members. The option of
forming subcommittees by the AAC would be available on an "as needed" basis. A
motion was made that in all cases any contact with the FAA relative to the airport would
be through the airport manager. An unanimous vote passed this motion.
John Seevers initiated a discussion on the future selection of an airport consultant. With
the city seeking a new city engineer there was the idea expressed by the city manager of
seeking an engineering firm that could include the airport. It was unanimously agreed
upon by all members, and the airport manager, that the city seek an engineering firm with
exclusive and extensive airport experience. The airport manager mentioned how during
the past week several concerned airport users had approached him about securing the
firm of Toothman-Orton. The committee agreed that the airport manager should
emphasize to the city manager the importance of a firm such as Toothman-Orton.
Public Comment:
Bill Nikkel asked about the possibility of the airport having a grass strip. Rick Harvey
recommended that he research all that would be involved to construct such a strip and
then present this proposal at a future AAC meeting
Airport Manager's Report
The new airport manager listed the following projects currently underway and the nature
of their status:
- Asphalt Maintenance — crack sealing, specifications received from the FAA. One
bid in already (Ron Barbee $14,530.00), need two more. Would like to get
moving on this as soon as possible
City Parking lot — Public Works doing the ground prep - having a contractor do
the paving.
- Security system — Armstrong sent web site information where operations for key
boxes can be obtained. Planning to put the security plan into effect ASAP
Airport manager went on to list a number of long tern projects, many of which will
require the services of the next airport engineer:
- Land acquisition
- Possible use of the "triangle"
Other long term projects:
- Airport marketing — initially expanding the airport web site
- New minimum standards
New operations manual
- Part 139 certification
Ongoing Business
John Seevers initiated a discussion on the importance of identifying projects, their
specific goal(s) and then assessing a time frame for completion as well as possibly
assigning a person in charge to ensure its completion. The airport manager recommended
using a board with tables and columns listing such projects as a visual aid.
Master Plan — everyone agreed that the first order of business once a new consultant
comes on board is a new/revised master plan.
The committee returned to the airport parking project (airport manager's report above) to
discuss the long term parking issue. It was decided to withhold any decisions on this
until the parking lot paving was underway.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 11:34
Rick Harvey — Airpo ager
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ohn Seevers — AAC Chairman
CITY OF MCCALL
AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
May 19, 2005
The meeting was called to order at 1205 with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry McCauley,
Frank Romero, Dan Scott, and John Seevers present. Additional persons attending were:
Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), Lindley Kirkpatrick (City Manager), Bill Robertson
(City Council representative), Armstrong Engineering's Keith Koler and two associates,
Rik and Kathy Poston, and Bill Nikkei.
Minutes from meetings after January 6th were not available yet for review and will be
submitted at a later AAC meeting.
Public Comment
Public comment was received throughout the meeting as items were discussed.
Rick Harvey, the new airport manager, was introduced and welcomed.
There was discussion about the recent towing of cars from the airport. Apparently three
cars were towed from the ramp area from spaces that were not current with their tie down
payments. Every body agreed that this was handled very poorly and should not have
happened. The public relations mess this type of action creates is unacceptable. The new
airport manager has taken a leadership position to try to mitigate the damage with
apologizes and financial restitution. Policies, procedures and diplomacy need to be a
priority as we want to welcome visitors to our aviation community.
The need for improved communication regarding the time, location, and a detailed
agenda along with advanced copies of relevant documents was stated. The committee
agreed and said this should be done in the future. This should help make the committee
meetings more time efficient and more productive.
Selection of a new chair for the AAC
During the discussion for the selection of a replacement chair, Dan Scott voiced concern
over the lack of distributed documents reflecting the responsibilities, authority, policies
and procedures governing the committee as well as the duties of the members. It was
decided that the following documents would be distributed to all members of the AAC
and available to the public: 1) AAC Charter, 2) Idaho Open Meeting Law Manual, and 3) .
other documents relevant to the conduct of committee meetings. The airport manager
was charged with carrying out this distribution.
In light of the above concerns, Lindley recommended the committee delay selecting the
chair until the next meeting and a majority of the committee agreed.
Armstrong Consultants
Keith Koler of Armstrong gave a short informal discussion of the status of the McCall
airport projects. The only on -going item is the completion of the security fence and
associated gates. He stated that his firm was responsible for the design of the system
including conformance with FAA and other standards and establishing the specifications
for the project. He then said that the city of McCall was responsible for selecting the
contractor and insuring that the work was accomplished according to the specifications.
Keith stated that the system was operational and has been so since about November and
that all that was required to finish was final FAA approval which needed a site map of the
airport as it is today. His personnel were going to gather the required information that
day to prepare the site map which should be sent to the FAA within a couple of weeks.
Installation and operating manuals would be sent to the airport manager in the next
couple of days.
Rik Poston raised the question of the suitability of the "Salmon Air" key pad expressing
that it was very awkward to use. Kieth said it had already been redone once, but that he
would inspect it later that day.
Dan Scott pointed out that the entry gate at McCall Aviation was not hooked up as there
were just wires coming out of the wall in his building.
There was additional discussion about the duration of Armstrong's existing consulting
contract and the renewal time frame. There was also discussion about the procedures and
timing of land acquisition. There did not appear to be any factual differences from the
Idaho Aeronautics board presentation except the casual statements regarding the
complexity of the undertaking and Keith's opinion of a shorter time frame.
New Business
Jerry McCauley reintroduced discussion about the selection of the AAC chair and
expressed that the members of the committee were well enough informed on the matters
that the selection of the chair should proceed in order to initiate the conducting of
business of the committee. After discussion, he moved and John Seevers seconded a
motion to proceed with the selection of the chair at this time. By a vote of three yes, one
no and one abstention the motion carried. Jerry then nominated John Seevers and Frank
seconded. Nominations were closed, and Gordon moved that John be chair by
acclimation. It was seconded, and all AAC members voted yes.
John then asked all members of the aviation community to submit items for the
committee's agenda so that the broadest possible base could be represented. In particular,
specific tasks, topics, and projects were solicited so that they can be discussed and
prioritized at the next AAC meeting scheduled for June 2.
The meeting was adjourned at 3:05pm.
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CITY OF MCCALL
AIRPORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
May 19, 2005
The meeting was called to order at 1205 with members Gordon Eccles, Jerry McCauley,
Frank Romero, Dan Scott, and John Seevers present. Additional persons attending were:
Rick Harvey (Airport Manager), Lindley Kirkpatrick (City Manager), Bill Robertson
(City Council representative), Armstrong Engineering's Kieth Koler and two associates,
Rik and Kathy Poston, and Bill Nikkei.
Minutes from meetings after January 6`h were not available yet for review and will be
submitted at a later AAC meeting.
Public Comment
Public comment was received throughout the meeting as items were discussed.
Rick Harvey, the new airport manager, was introduced and welcomed.
There was discussion about the recent towing of cars from the airport. Apparently three
cars were towed from the ramp area from spaces that were not current with their tie down
payments. Everybody agreed that this was handled very poorly by the police and should
not have happened. The public relations mess this type of action creates is unacceptable.
The new airport manager has taken a leadership position to try to mitigate the damage
with apologizes and financial restitution. Policies, procedures and diplomacy need to be
a priority as we want to welcome visitors to our aviation community.
The need for improved communication regarding the time, location, and a detailed
agenda along with advanced copies of relevant documents was stated. The committee
agreed and said this should be done in the future. This should help make the committee
meetings more time efficient and more productive.
Selection of a new chair for the AAC
During the discussion for the selection of a replacement chair, Dan Scott voiced concern
over the lack of distributed documents reflecting the responsibilities, authority, policies
and procedures governing the committee as well as the duties of the members. It was
decided that the following documents would be distributed to all members of the AAC
and available to the public: 1) AAC Charter, 2) Idaho Open Meeting Law Manual, and 3)
other documents relevant to the conduct of committee meetings. The airport manager
was charged with carrying out this distribution.
In light of the above concerns, Lindley recommended the committee delay selecting the
chair until the next meeting and a majority of the committee agreed.
Armstrong Consultants
Kieth Koler of Armstrong gave a short informal discussion of the status of the McCall
airport projects. The only on -going item is the completion of the security fence and
associated gates. He stated that his firm was responsible for the design of the system
including conformance with FAA and other standards and establishing the specifications
for the project. He then said that the city of McCall was responsible for selecting the
contractor and insuring that the work was accomplished according to the specifications.
Kieth stated that the system was operational and has been so since about November and
that all that was required to finish was final FAA approval which needed a site map of the
airport as it is today. His personnel were going to gather the required information that
day to prepare the site map which should be sent to the FAA within a couple of weeks.
Installation and operating manuals would be sent to the airport manager in the next
couple of days.
Rik Poston raised the question of the suitability of the "Salmon Air" key pad expressing
that it was very awkward to use. Kieth said it had already been redone once, but that he
would inspect it later that day.
Dan Scott pointed out that the entry gate at McCall Aviation was not hooked up as there
were just wires coming out of the wall in his building.
There was additional discussion about the duration of Armstrong's existing consulting
contract and the renewal time frame. There was also discussion about the procedures and
timing of land acquisition. There did not appear to be any factual differences from the
Idaho Aeronautics board presentation except the casual statements regarding the
complexity of the undertaking and Kieth's opinion of a shorter time frame.
New Business
Jerry McCauley reintroduced discussion about the selection of the AAC chair and
expressed that the members of the committee were well enough informed on the matters
that the selection of the chair should proceed in order to initiate the conducting of
business of the committee. After discussion, he moved and John Seevers seconded a
motion to proceed with the selection of the chair at this time. By a vote of three yes, one
no and one abstention the motion carried. Jerry then nominated John Seevers and Frank
seconded: Nominations were closed, and Gordon moved that John be chair by
acclimation. It was seconded, and all AAC members voted yes.
John then asked all members of the aviation community to submit items for the
committee's agenda so that the broadest possible base could be represented. In particular,
specific tasks, topics, and projects were solicited so that they can be discussed and
prioritized at the next AAC meeting scheduled for June 2.
The meeting was adjourned at 3:05PM.
AAC Chairman John Seevers
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