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Home My Public Portal AboutComprehensive Water Planning -- 2012-04-18 Minutes aEws "'% Comprehensive Water Planning � � � % ' Committee orot 9F s Town of Brewster a= 2198 Main Street Brewster, Massachusetts 02631-1898 * ' (508) 896-3701 x1233 iiiirrprirruuriutitu��o°�\o FAX(508) 896-8089 Date Approved:5/29/12 Vote:5-0 TOWN OF BREWSTER MINUTES OF COMPREHENSIVE WATER PLANNING COMMITTEE (CWPC) REGULAR MEETING Wednesday, April 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm Brewster Town Office Building Chairman Lem Skidmore convened the CWPC meeting at 4:35 pm in the Brewster Town Office Building with members Russell Schell, Elizabeth Taylor, Dan Ryan,John O'Reilly, and Dave Bennett present. Absent:Joanne Hughes, Bruce Evans Also Present: Sue Leven,Jim Gallagher,Chris Miller Recording or Taping Notification The Chair read"As required by the Open Meeting Law we are informing you that the Town will be audio taping this public meeting. In addition,if anyone else intends to audio tape this meeting they are required to inform the chair." Supporting Documents: 041812_A PowerPoint Presentation from tiWG. 041812_B IWRMP Progress Report(HWG) 041812_C Reprint CCC, Losing Cape Cod AGENDA 1.Citizen Forum 2.Meet with staff from Horsley Witten Group(HWG)to discuss the presentation for the Community Meeting on April 24th. 3. Review minutes from 3/12/12,Review Action Items 4.Topics the Chair did not reasonably anticipate 1.Citizen Forum None. Chairman Skidmore welcomed new member John O'Reilly to the committee. Meet with staff from Horsley Witten Group(HWG)to discuss the presentation for the Community Meeting on April 24th Present from HWG: Mark Nelson and Nigel Pickering presented to the Board. Taylor wants the committee name on the first slide. (Reference the presentation handout) Nelson provided a presentation summary to the committee. HWG and the committee reviewed the presentation for the public meeting 4/24/12. Committee Comments: Leven asked if we are better off not using the term"lake" The committee agreed to use"pond" • Taylor asked for the Hydrologic Cycle graphic to be larger Hughes, P likes the integrated plan graphic Taylor suggested a photo with dogs instead of the geese. Hughes, P stated it makes sense to include a photo with birds. (Confirmed and discussed issue) Miller commented there is BOH monitoring of ponds for swimming. Dogs contribute as well as birds. (Two different issues) Nelson suggested dogs on the integrated plan graphic and both on the other slide. Schell asked about what the tentative solution is for the animal waste. CWPC 04-18-12.docx Page 1 of 4 There was a discussion about controlling birds. (Identifying sources). Leven reminded the group this is an introductory discussion. Miller asked if there will be presentation handouts. (Possibly) Taylor suggested showing cleansers instead of vegetables with the kitchen sink photo, (integrated plan slide) There was a discussion about the photos being completely literal. Taylor asked if there is a regulation about garbage disposals. The committee discussed further. Hughes, P mentioned Brewster hosts zones of contribution for Harwich and Dennis. "Simplify the regional management" is an important slide. Miller suggested a storm water graphic(driveway)for Components of integrated plan Use the term water sheds instead of systems Miller explained Brewster has more of a focus on Herring River and Pleasant Bay, less for Bass River. Hughes, P mentioned Namskaket. Nelson will mention as part of the regional management Taylor asked about sub water shed map. The committee made comments about the pie chart colors for Nitrogen Loading to Pleasant Bay. (Make it easier to read.) Schell suggested using % in the legend The handouts and the PowerPoint don't match exactly. (Version control) TMDL Planning areas were discussed. Current load reductions needed in Brewster. *Nelson will send another PDF to Leven Pickering will send the memo from Ed Eichner regarding loads discussion. Orleans sewering was discussed and how it affects Brewster. Load reductions needed at build out was reviewed. Current numbers at Captains Golf Course and Cape Cod National were discussed by the committee and HWG. Schell is unsure about how they came up with the numbers on the TMDL thresholds for Brewster's planning areas Nelson explained further. Schell is concerned about Brewster's bargaining position with TMDL's. An Alternative Approach slide Allocate the allowable TMDL load across contributing watersheds Nelson explained open space areas and'low development contribute to lower numbers. An example was shared. Hughes, P is concerned about this information being public before talking to CCC and other groups. Nelson explained load allocation basis might be fairer to all towns. Nelson is looking for guidance from the committee. Skidmore agrees. Miller questioned hbw other committees might view this information. There was continued discussion. (TMDL's) Hughes, P commented on the alternative approach. She stated it shows the group is taking a look at the complex issues. Leven agrees with Hughes, P. Leven explained the group is getting to the point where there is available data for evaluation. It should be stressed the group is doing what they said they would do. The process is starting to yield interesting results. Leven concerned that Orleans will not have an opportunity to review first. Nelson suggested the regional study needs to be reevaluated after this information is available. Nelson would like to meet with Brian Dudley, DEP and discuss further. There was continued discussion. Bennett, Nelson, Hughes, P The committee discussed sewering costs, neighboring towns, golf courses, treatment options. Bennett agreed this information should not be presented next week. Nelson suggested showing the reduction needed in Brewster. He could remove first two columns and simplify the information in the last column. Range in the TMDL reduction lb/yr. add slide—what does this mean to a typical house? CWPC 04-18-12.docx Page 2 of 4 Miller suggested tying the nitrogen information to numbers that homeowners can understand. What does an average house put in the ground in a year? Slide discussion continued. Miller asked if the group knows what we are doing with septic systems in Nickerson State Park. Nelson and Hughes, P commented further. Golf Course information —Fertilizer Management Plan—Don't include in presentation. Meet with Golf Course first. Golf Course Fertilizer Management voluntary nitrogen reductions since MEP model. Taylor suggested showing protected open space land along with Nickerson State Park. Nelson will cover build out in the presentation. No net increase nitrogen was discussed and how to include this information. Leven suggested it may mean your system takes in more net neutral, net reduction. Hughes stated that DCPC provides the Town with a lot of flexibility. (that area) O'Reilly commented about committee support for no net General public might not support this Skidmore agrees. Let's give information about what we are doing and what we are considering. Nelson will rename the slide. Taylor asked about how to address questions about Namskaket marsh? Credits? There was continued discussion. Hughes, P—DEP consideration. Nelson-Brewster should make sure it does not lose something important to the Town. Hughes, P-The regional decision to approve for Orleans—Brewster has representation. Leven explained no vote. The committee continued to discuss DEP, and TMDL's. Orleans Plans, timing, Namskaket Marsh, Brewster's involvement, next steps regarding sharing data Next public meeting—summer time Next meeting, on Monday 4/23. With HWG. Mid day Friday the correct version on the presentation will be sent. The committee should let Leven know by 10am on Monday if need to meet on Monday 4/23. 6.Review minutes from 3112/12, Review Action Items Hughes P made a Motion to accept the 3/12/12 minutes as amended, Bennett Second, All Aye, Vote 5-0. Ryan and O'Reilly abstain. Leven reviewed the action items. 6.Topics the Chair did not reasonably anticipate None. Taylor made a Motion to adjourn, Skidmore Second, All Aye, Vote, 6-0 no Pat Hughes. Next Meeting: tbd Meet 4/23/12? 5/14? Respe,A bmitted, Dav��"'1'nett, or"' Kelly Moore, S ept. Assistant Planning CWPC 04-18-12.docx Page 3 of 4 CWPC Action Items , Post 4-18-12 Meeting U.dated 5-1-12 ACTION ITEMS MEETING COMMENTS ESTIMATED STATUS DATE COMPLETION DATE Status of Bridge Projects: Data Synthesis- GISIBuild-out, Ponds, Storm water Geo- location Bird Counts at Ponds 2-13-12 Taylor and Miller 5-14-12 Pending Leven has new contact. are looking for Eichner invite volunteers to meeting Agenda 5/14/12 Horsley Witten (HWG) Phase II Pickering will send the memo from Ed 4-18-12 Pending Eichner regarding loads discussion Questions to include in tax bills about water 1-09-12 BOS sending TBD Pending usage. Ask HWG for ideas, online form? Etc. something in next Discuss with bill Mark Nelson Cranberry Growers Association Contact CGA and ask if they might talk to the Fall 2011 Leven No answer yet Pending bog owners and find out when discharging into the ponds—to take samples. Misc: Education—discuss with HWG 10-24-11 General public, 4-9-12 Ongoing Town committees and boards MS4 Compliance Update 11-14-11 SEA/HWG Ongoing Bennett asked for reports done by Peter 2-27-12 Leven to request 4-9-12 Pending Weiskel regarding tri town treatment plant link from Orleans Web site, Peter Weiskel reports CWPC 04-18-12.docx Page 4 of 4