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Home My Public Portal AboutComprehensive Water Planning -- 2012-07-23 Minutes ,� Ew; � ,, Comprehensive Water Planning °4 Town of Brewster ` J,�� Committee 3 ��;�,., _� a= 2198 Main Street v* ` __fis • Brewster, Massachusetts 02631-1898 `` (508) 896-3701 x1233 A le, ltiun��a� FAX (508) 896-8089 Date Approved:9/10/12 Vote:7-0 TOWN OF BREWSTER MINUTES OF COMPREHENSIVE WATER PLANNING COMMITTEE (CWPC) Regular Meeting Monday, July 23, 2012 at 4:30 pm Brewster Town Office Building Chairman Lem Skidmore convened the CWPC meeting at 4:30 pm in the Brewster Town Office Building with members, Elizabeth Taylor,Joanne Hughes, Russell Schell, Dave Bennett, Bruce Evans, Pat Hughes,and Dan Ryan present. Absent:John O'Reilly Also Present: Sue Leven, Chris Miller,Jim Gallagher, Robert Bersin HWG: Nigel Pickering, Craig Pereira Recording or Taping Notification The Chair read"As required by the Open Meeting Law we are informing you that the Town will be audio taping this public meeting. In addition, if anyone else intends to audio tape this meeting they are required to inform the chair." AGENDA Supporting Documents: 2.Status of Phase pp 9 2.Status of Phase II&Build out 072312_A Presentation Handout, HWG Data Synthesis&GIS 3.Review comments and rank sites for storm water retrofit projects 4.Review content for community meeting on 8/6/12 Nigel Pickering,Craig Pereira,HWG,Review presentation 5.Follow up-Public Outreach Day—BCT&Conservation 7-14-12 6.Status of Pond Project 7.Review minutes from 6/25/12,Review Action Items 8.Topics the Chair did not reasonably anticipate 1,Citizen Forum None 2.Statuslof Phase II &Build out Data Synthesis&GIS HWG will address with item#4. 3, Wavle*comments and rank sites for storm water retrofit projects Leven suggested doing this after the presentation. The committee decided to address this subject at a future meeting. Hughes, P will send comments and Leven will add her comments. On 7/30/12 they will review updates to the HWG presentation and#3 above. Evans expressed concern for getting people to the meeting. Leven updated the committee on signs, handouts, { advertisements (channel 18). Leven will contact the newspapers and add information to web site. Pereira and Pickering addressed the committee. They reviewed the presentation for the 8/6 meeting. See handout for details. (072312_A Presentation Handout, HWG) Skidmore asked the committee for comments on slides 1-10. Hughes stated she likes the overall focus. She encouraged HWG to move the sea level rise section to the end and to talk about storm water management projects. She suggested slide#4"water supply" upfront in presentation. Slide#7, talk CWPC 7-23-12.docx Page 1 of 5 7 about what the Town has already done for water protection. Add, continue to protect zone II and focus on land acquisition near ponds. Pickering and Hughes, P discussed suggestions further. Pereira addressed the build out information. He reviewed slides and took comments from the committee. Hughes, P asked if they applied NRPD and cluster subdivisions. Pereira stated only in the smart growth scenario. She was concerned that NRPD was not part of the baseline. They discussed further. Taylor asked about a map. HWG will provide one at a later date. Bennett asked about the NRPD and Title V requirements as part of the build out parameters. The committee discussed 40B and new homes. Pickering stated they are working on nitrogen analysis models and working on zone II's. Bennett and Pickering discussed further. Bennett asked about the conservancy soils by-law. Leven stated yes. Leven provided information from the by-law regarding NRPD. She explained NRPD further. They discussed an example. (RR zone, 12 acres. Inside and outside of the Zone II.) Schell asked about the 4—40 rule. He explained it is the same issue that Bennett mentioned. The committee agreed to continue reviewing the presentation and to discuss the build out analysis later. Pereira continued to review the build out analysis slides. Hughes, P suggested putting into context where Brewster is today. I.e. are we at 60% build out today?A current status. Hughes, J asked if they are proposing 2BR houses in the build out. Leven, Hughes, J and HWG discussed further. } Pereira explained these are parameters for the build out and not regulations. This is based on trends, adjacent towns, etc. The committee questioned where the 2BR rule came from. Bennett agreed with Hughes, J. Leven explained further. People vs. bedrooms. Assumptions under title V. Pereira and the committee discussed further. Taylor asked about 40B parcels. They discussed the parameters. Leven suggested not including the build out analysis slides in the 8/6 presentation. The committee discussed removing the findings slide. Schell suggested reconciling the numbers per unit, etc. Pereira explained the issues with the numbers. "US census numbers not correct. The Build out analysis represents the total number of units. Future residential units regardless of number of bedrooms. Skidmore stated there are too many slides and the build out section does not have realistic data. He suggested pulling out the build out slides. He explained they could be included but without a lot of detail. Slides 11 and 12. He recommended an example. (Now) How much land acquisition? Include the two maps with the colors showing undeveloped area. Evans would like to see more expansion with the ponds slide. Leven stated there will be a separate meeting focusing on ponds. Hughes, P agrees that a definition of build out would be great. She suggested "where we are today" and areas that have the most opportunity for development. Wastewater. Pereira suggested smart growth, baseline maps, and show the differences. Leven will see the assessor regarding accurate data. (population)#of homes. Leven suggested not including the findings. Pickering addressed wastewater needs assessment. Miller was concerned about marshes and conservation land in the high water table areas on the map. Pickering reviewed the maps with the committee. Hughes, P suggested flipping the ( ) on page 30 Current Wastewater Needs table. (48) undeveloped. Taylor asked about the exemptions. CWPC 7-23-12.docx Page 2 of 5 Hughes, J suggested defining the terms. They discussed completely impacted. Lot lines on the wastewater needs assessment map will be clearer. (difficult to see in slide) Simplify the terms, sub header, column headers, etc. Pickering reviewed the sea level rise impacts slides. Bennett suggested setback< 100 ft, >100 ft. Separation < 5ft, >5ft. discussed. Taylor was concerned the information might be too high level or too detailed for the public. Bennett and Hughes, P were concerned there are too many slides for this subject. HWG stated they will minimize the slides and include points in the discussion. Schell and Pickering discussed water tables. Local and regional. They discussed how a homeowner may look at this data. Hughes, J does not see a significant impact from the red to the blue. Pickering will reevaluate. There seem to be not many parcels affected by the sea level rise. The committee discussed the data further. Public Comment: Paula Miller referenced a study(coming soon) by USGS. It will model sea level rise impacts and the effects will be more localized. She stated they don't have a lot of information. They are focusing on a twenty year timeframe for planning wastewater facilities. She commented on small number of parcels affected and the fresh water lense floating on salt water lense. She has an issue with impacts of sea level rise map. SLR. Miller explained low lying areas could see additional flooding. Hughes, P stated it is important to discuss it. The Town is losing landings. Raising awareness is important. Taylor was concerned about government land, marshes, and conservation lands in the table. She asked about exemptions and suggested using the word municipal. Schell commented on the Table(50% impacted) Page 38. HWG and Schell discussed further. The committee suggested consistent labeling in the columns. Schell and Pereira discussed affordable housing on town owned land. The Storm water slides were discussed. They are placeholder slides until they receive more information. Leven explained three sites at 10% have been decided. Leven suggested showing rain barrels. I.e. schools. Simple ideas, easy fixes for homeowners. Hughes, P agreed a nice tie in at the end. Bennett would like to see more than two slides for storm water. Pickering and Bennett discussed further. Skidmore mentioned DPW MS4. Paula Miller suggested a graphic showing the problem with storm water. The group discussed the Crowell's Bog Landing example. Town Hall rain garden was discussed. Bennett suggested showing some of the catch basins, etc. Identified problems. Leven referenced some photos sent to Mark Nelson from Chris Miller. Good "before"examples. Taylor suggested showing a problem, the solution, (before and after). Proposed solutions... Bennett suggested including current places where storm water has been managed. Hughes, J asked to include possible projects for solutions. Leven expressed concern about showing all possible sites. She suggested only the three sites. She explained the consultant may be working outside of the scope. The committee suggested better photos and improved visuals. Bersin has photos of Herring River improvements. Hughes, P suggested reviewing the next steps and clarifying the water quality bullet. Bennett asked additional questions regarding build out calculations and SMAST TMDL's Skidmore reminded the group that this is a 45 minute presentation. Paula Miller suggested explaining this is a phased approach. CWPC 7-23-12.docx Page 3 of 5 Build out information Leven wants to get committee's comments to HWG. Leven will email a reminder that she needs comments. 5. Follow up-Public Outreach Day-BCT& Conservation 7-14-12 Leven provided an update. They had a table with information. Leven stated it was a successful day. She received questions about cranberry bogs and ponds. She received a letter from Lower Cape Expo offering a discount if they commit to next year. Skidmore asked for this topic to be on the agenda for the 13th 6.Statusijof Pond Project provided an update. Herring count information was sent to Ed Eichner. 17. Review minutes!from 6/25/12,Review Action items Moore read one edit from Schell. Bennett submitted a few edits. The minutes will be updated and reviewed at the next meeting. The committee reviewed the action items. 8.Topics the Chair did not reasonably anticipate I None. Hughes, P made a Motion to adjourn, Hughes, J Second, All Aye, Vote 8-0. The meeting ended at 6:55 pm Next Meeting: 7/30/12 @ 4:30,8/13/12 @ 4:30pm - •ectfu laubmitted, 441141 If A Dav:rj'e , Clerk Kelly oore, enio partment Assistant Planning ra ;f. CWPC 7-23-12.docx Page 4 of 5 i 1 CWPC Action Items, Post 7-23-12 Meeting Updated 7-24-12 ACTION ITEMS MEETING COMMENTS ESTIMATED STATUS 1 DATE. COMPLETION DATE Status of Bridge Projects: Data Synthesis= GIS/Bgild-out,Ponds,Storm water Geo- Iocatibn Horsley Witten(HWG)Phase II Decide on three sites from the list of potential 6-25-12 Committee to 7-30-12 Pending '? storm water retrofit projects decide 7-30 (The outline,the framework and the regulatory 7-9-12 Comments have 7-13-12 Cone recommendations)from HWG been sent to Leven Data Synthesis and GIS-Maps accessible from 6-11-12 Leven to follow up Pending web site—Request from Taylor. with Lambert regarding options Build out data review 7-9-12 Comments to Sue August meeting Pending by July 30. Questions to include in tax bills about water 1-9-12 Leven discuss TBD usage,Ask HWG for ideas,online form?Etc. with Mark Nelson Next community presentation, BCT Annual Meeting 8/6/12 at BLL Committee to review the presentation 7-23-12 Pickering to send 7-30-12 Pending 7-30-12 revised presentation 7-27 Cranberry Growers Association Contact CGA and ask if they might talk to the bog Fall 2011 Leven Leven will follow up Pending owners and find out when discharging into the With Dawn Gates- ponds—to take samples. Allen Misc: MS4 Compliance Update 2011 SEA/HWG 6-11 &6-12 Pending Bennett asked for reports done by Peter Weiskel 2-27-12 Bennett spoke to Summer Pending regarding tri town treatment plant Weiskel. Report due out this summer rj iz CWPC 7-23-12.docx Page 5 of 5