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A Special Meeting of the Mayor and Council of the Borough òf
Carteret was called to order by Mayor Peter 1. Sica, at 6:20 P.M., on
Thursday, June 26, 1997, Municipal Court, Police Facility, 230
Roosevelt Avenue, Carteret, New Jersey.
The following were noted present
Mayor Peter 1. Sica
Councilmember Bialowarczuk
" Du Pont
" F ailace
" Feingold
" Gutowski
Noted absent was Councilmember Jack Fazekas and Borough
Attorney Craig Coughlin.
Also noted present was Frank Santoro, Esq.
Mailed to The Home News and Tribune, The Star Ledger and posted
on the Bulletin Board on June 20 & 24.
To adopt a resolution to go into Closed Session to discuss personnel
matters and anticipated litigation.
The Clerk said the first thing they had on was Anthony Fiore, who has
requested an Open Session.
Mayor Sica asked Anthony if he remembered the Recreation
Committee.
Anthony said he did.
Mayor Sica said that the Chairman of the Recreation Committee, Mrs.
Hedesh, has indicated that he hadn't been making any meetings, which
has sometimes caused a lack of quorum and nothing has been getting
done.
Anthony said he had been on the committee for a year and one half.
When it first started he had attended almost every meeting, except for
maybe one out ofthe first six. After about six (6) months of him being
on the committee Mrs. Hedesh stopped sending out Meeting Notices
and he would have calls the night before saying they had a meeting
tomorrow and asked if he could attend and as his present situation is
that he is a student and he works at night, he could never get out of
work on one (I) days notice and that continued about three (3) or four
(4) months.
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SPOCIAL Þ!EEITNG
June 26, 1997
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PURPOSE OF THE
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Anthony Fiore
JUNE 26, 1997
Anthony Fiore
Continued
Anthony Fiore said then he made any meeting he could attend, but
since January he hasn't received any meeting notices to attend any
meetings.
Councilmember Failace asked him if he was given enough leeway as
to when the meeting is...... .
Anthony said absolutely.
Mayor Sica said it is tough enough to get volunteers to do anything.
You have to give them some kind of notice of when you are going to
have the meeting.
Anthony said he will attend any meeting if he is given notice in ample
time.
Mayor Sica said they are in the process of finding a new Chairman for
that committee
Councilmember Gutowski said they have to appoint somebody.
Counc.ilrnember
Fazekas noted
present
At approximately 6:25 p.m., Councilmember Fazekas was noted
present.
Mayor Sica said you have to appoint a member and then a chairman
ITom the members. He told Anthony that the new chairman will be
so directed by the Mayor and Council that they have to send out
ample notice to everybody.
The Clerk said Kenny Wright was next but she didn't see him.
Mayor Sica said they would have to go into Closed Session on that
anyway.
The Clerk said they had to go into Closed Session with Mr Lebduska
on the Architectural Drawings.
RESOLUITOO'
#97-205
RESOLUTION #97-205 was introduced by the Mayor and referred
to the Council for action.
CWSED SESSlOO'
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers DuPont and Failace
RESOLUTION #97-205
"RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION"
AOOPfED
as adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers
Bialowarczuk, DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski
voted in the affirmative.
ADJOURNED 10
CWSED SESSlOO'
At approximately 6:26 P.M. a Closed Session was held.
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At approximately 7:44 p.rn., upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers
Failace and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote of the full
membership present, this meeting was opened to the public.
At approximately 745 p.m., Councilmember Feingold was noted
absent.
The Clerk said they had a resolution to approve.
RESOLUTION #97-206 was introduced by the Mayor and referred
to the Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace
RESOLUTION #97-206
"RESOLUTION APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING
EXECUTION OF A REGIONAL CONTRIBUTION
AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP OF EAST AMWELL"
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers
Bialowarczuk, Dupont, Failace, Fazekas and Gutowski vote in the
affirmative. Councilmember Feingold was noted absent.
At approximately 746 p.m., a motion to adjourn was made by
Councilmember Failace and second by Councilmember Gutowski so
after no further discussion, this meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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KATHLEEN M. BARNEyCl/
Municipal Clerk.
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OPF1'I SESSlOO'
Counc.ilmember Feingold
noted absent
RESOU1ITOO' #97-2cx,
RESOU1ITOO' APPROVING
AND AUltIJRIZING
EXIDJITOO' OF A
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AGREJiMIiNl' WTIH 11IE
'I:œNSHIP OF EAST
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A Special Meeting of the Mayor and Council of the Borough ofCarteret
was called to order by Mayor Peter 1. Sica on Thursday, June 26, 1997 at
6:50 PM., at the Municipal Court/Police Facility, 230 Roosevelt Avenue,
Carteret, New Jersey.
Upon individual roll call, the following were noted present:
Councilmember
Deborah Bialowarczuk
John DuPont
James Failace
Jack Fazekas
Stanley Gutowski
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Noted absent was Councilmember William Feingold.
Also noted present were Borough Attorney Craig 1. Coughlin and
Detective Sergeant Ronald Bennett.
Mailed to The Home News & Tribune, The Star Ledger and posted on the
bulletin board on June 20 and June 24, 1997.
Hearings regarding charges preferred against various A.B.c. Licenses and
approving renewals of various AB.C. Licenses for 1997-1998 License
Term.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he has spoken to the lawyers of two of
the license holders who have indicated they would like to request an
adjournment of this evening's proceedings. He told them, after speaking
with the Council President, that it would be necessary for them to appear
here to request an adjoumment in person. Perhaps it makes sense to take
those applications first.
Mayor Sica asked who the two were.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said Such's and Five Corners. If the Council
wants to entertain it, it would probably be best for their counsel to set it
out. Such's just retained counsel last evening. On Five Corners there is
some outstanding discovery and the counsel for the license holder is ill.
Last and perhaps most importantly, there was conversation between them
and the Borough Attorney indicated to him that he would talk to the
Governing Body and as part of that process, in speaking to Sgt. Bennett,
he has Sgt. Bennett to forward over an application for an interim license
He thinks that may have led them to conclude that he might have been
granted the application. He spoke to him later on and told him he needed
to be here. He presumes that is Mr. Glennon. He asked if the Council
wanted to hear from the lawyers directly?
JUNE 26, 1997
SPECIAL MEETInG
ROLL CALL
STATEMENT OF
MEETING NOTICE
PURPOSE
DISCUSSION
Re: Gilda R. Inc.
ria Five Corners
and Such's
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Such's
Mayor Sica said they would hear from Such's lawyers first.
Attorney K. Jaffarian, representing Such's, said since he spoke with the
Borough Attorney, he conferred with Such's and reviewed everything and
they are ready to proceed tonight.
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five'
Corners
Mayor Sica said okay. He called for the attorney for Five Corners.
Gerald Glennon, Esq., said he was appearing on behalf of the licensee Gilda
R., Inc. t/aI Five Corners Inn. He respectfully submits when these documents
were served on his client, they got in touch with him and the allegation on ten
counts, going back to Count #7 dated December 7, 1996, on late Friday, his
client was provided, through Det. Bennett, copies of certain documents
related to these incidents, including an investigation report and a narrative
report by a particular officer. However, many of the reports, he respectfully
represents and submits, state that they refer to other reports by the Narcotics
Task Force and other reports regarding evidence and other matters. Under the
circumstances of the number of charges involved and the voluminous
documents he already has, not withstanding the fact that he respectfully
submits the serious necessity to endeavor to obtain all other documents by
way of discovery involving each and everyone of these charges In fact,
certain of these reports have items blacked out. He doesn't knolV whether
they are names and for what purposes and whether they're recorded moot by
reason of the age of the case now or whether they have been disposed of. If
they were of an indictable natlJre against the arrestee by the Middlesex County
Prosecutor's Office, and under these circumstances and the voluminous
documents that were served upon his client and he only got late Friday
afternoon and again relating to the necessity to obtain any or all other
documents, he would respectfully request a reasonable postponement in order
to be provided with the opportunity to investigate this matter and each and
every count thereof.
Attorney Glennon said he would futther represent to the Council, not that it
has prohibited him from proceeding, but he has had a bout of bronchitis which
was bordering on pneumonia and he has lost several days from his office and
has become severely backlogged as a result thereof. He only has had a short
period of time to initially review the documents that were provided. He
respectfillly submits and asks their courtesy and cooperation and discretion in
considering this request for a postponement He believes that his client is
entitled to a full and fair hearing. It is necessary as a result to obtain these
documents and investigate it. Ifthere was a drug offense that allegedly took
place in the bar which his clients do not know about, he does not know who
it would involve. There's no name of an undercover agent. Where it took
place. Whether it was allegedly under the nose of a bartender or his client or
by subterfuge in a hidden place in the bar where his client would not have any
reasonable way of knowing that such event ever took place. Again, he
respectfully submits that all of these charges commencing back in December
of 1996, his client is now aw&re of until he was served with the punitive
charges under this notice. .Jnder these circumstances he would, most
respectfully request a continuance and permissIOn of his client to apply for an
interim permit.
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Mayor Sica said he would agree with the exception of one thing. This is
not a criminal proceeding. Weare not here to prosecute his client for any
criminal acts that may of happened there beyond his control or even if the
criminal acts were by him. We're here to make a determination based on
Police Reports and if his client's premises are becoming a nuisance and a
hardship to the Borough of Carteret. Not that x company or x person
sold marijuana in there, or x person was drinking underage in there. All
these are incident reports that required Police time and effort. It's the
Borough's right to make a determination based on that, that if his client's
establishment is becoming a nuisance and a hardship on the Borough of
Carteret. If they are paying the Borough $438 for a license and it costs
us $10,000 a year in Police protection to protect their $400 license. In
fact, it's become a nuisance and is making crime rampant in the area, or
the drinking, obscenities or a nuisance to the neighbors, if it has in fact
become that. That's what they will determine this evening, not to
prosecute anything criminal.
Attorney Glennon said he understood
Mayor Sica said the true law of evidence doesn't come into play. His
client would be afforded the opportunity to go through 1-10 and explain
what went on. Ifhe can come up with a logical reason of what happened,
that was beyond his control, that would be taken into consideration.
Paramount is what it has been doing to the neighborhood. What it's doing
to the drain in the services that we have to render under the law as long
as we allow them to remain open. He said it's the Council's right to grant
him the postponements, but he would not recommend it.
Attorney Glennon said in all due respect, he submits that certain of the
alleged incidents, of necessity just by reading the reports, would require
the testimony of witnesses. He believes that the Borough Attorney in
reviewing this matter, might possibly, based on his legal opinion, tend to
(inaudible)
Mayor Sica said he would have to say, in past experiences on that venue,
he's heard that so many times from so many different bars that they were
going to get witnesses to come at the next meeting. They never show up.
All it succeeded in doing was to continue to get ·postponements. Any
other witnesses that should be required, such as the owner, the bartender,
etc., should be readily available at all times.
Attorney Glennon said he is also referring to witnesses from the State that
are unnamed in these reports. These are the nature of the reports that
were provided to him. He respectfully submits that it would of necessity
require testimony of the officers.
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Mayor Sica said those reports are based on criminal prosecution. This is
an Administrative Hearing It has nothing to do with criminal. If he
wants to rely on them he can. We don't have to take that into
consideration. All they have to take into consideration is countS 1 - 10
and give him an opportunity to explain those counts We don't have
anything to do with the criminal end of it. It's only there determination if
it is an attractive nuisance and that is the Council's determination. He will
pass it on to the Council and if they want to give a postponement it is
alright with him
JUNE 26, 1997
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners
Con't.
JUNE 26, 1997
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners
Con't.
RESOLUTION
1197-207
Closed Session
Adopted
Adjourned Into
Closed Session
~1EETING OPENED
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Councilmember Failace asked if they could go into Closed Session and caucus
on this?
Mayor Sica said of course.
Attorney Glennon said, with all due respect, this request is not for the purpose
of prolonging this matter. This matter, based upon the date of the first
allegation, was not prolonged by his client. He is asking for a reasonable
opportunity based upon these documents, to obtain other referred to
documents so he may be in a position to adequately afford representation to
his client.
Mayor Sica said every tavern owner in the city of Carteret knows that once
a year their license comes up for renewal in June. They know what goes on
in their place every day. If they know they had incidents of this magnitude,
they should be prepared prior to June of 1997 to defend this and not wait until
the last nllnute and come in ask for a postponement. 'llBSe things date back for
a whole year.
RESOLUTION #97-207 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and DuPont
RESOLUTION #97-207
RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk,
DuPont, Failace, Fazekas and Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
Counci1member Feingold was noted absent.
At approximately 7: 10 P.M., the meeting was adjourned into Closed Session.
At approximately 7: 14 P.M., upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and
DuPont and unanimous affirmative vote of the five (5) Councilmembers
present, the meeting was opened.
Mayor Sica said on the motion for the postponement for Gilda R., Inc., the
Council has voted that they will proceed with it tonight They will hear from
Simon's Night Club first. He asked if anybody was here representing Simon's?
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Simon Haddad said he was representing Simon's himself.
Mayor Sica said he had the right to have the healing in open or closed session.
Mr. Haddad said he would have it in open session.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he thinks it has to be in open.
Mayor Sica asked Mr. Haddad to state his name.
Mr. Haddad, said Simon S. Haddad.
Mayor Sica told Mr. Haddad that he was called in here tonight because
there are numerous complaints on his establishment at 63-65 Roosevelt
Avenue. There are 10 complaints.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if Sgt. Bennett wanted to put this on
the record? He also suggested that they swear him in.
Det. Sgt. Ronald Bennett was sworn in. He said regarding Mr. Simon
Haddad, trading as Simon's Night Club, there were ten counts regarding
activities at Simon's Night Club. They start off on November 29, 1996,
a lot of violence, unnecessary noise, etc. Based on an investigation report,
Officers responded to a call at Simon's on Friday, November 29, 1996 at
11 :47 P.M., at that particular time an employee of Simon's stated that a
Mr. Johnson, who was in the bar, refused to pay a $2.00 cover charge.
Requested police assistance in either having Mr. Johnson removed or
getting him to pay the cover charge, in which case Mr. Johnson paid the
cover charge.
The second one was on December 1, 1996, Simon's allowed, or permitted
the licensed premises (inaudible ) to become a nuisance, by permitting
brawls, acts of violence (inaudible) and unnecessary noise. At this time
the call came from the bar at approximately 12:25 A.M., said they were
refusing service at the bar because of the person's age and when the
officer checked the bar, there were no persons under age. No persons
were found in the bar.
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On 12/21/96, did permit, suffer licensed premises in such a manner to
become a nuisance. In this case they were called on Saturday at 2:21
AM., the person calling was Simon Haddad who said that a person
named Sir John Raglin had just assaulted a woman inside of the bar and
Mr. Raglin was now on the street creating a disturbance The officers
took action against Mr. Raglin and the end result was Mr. Raglin was
aITested. The complaint that was signed that time was for what happened
on the street, not for what happened in the bar.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked who signed the complaints?
Oet. Sgt. Bennett said Officer Guiliano signed the complaint against Sir
John Raglin. These activities were directed towards Officer Guiliano.
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The fourth count was on 12/21196, there was aD incident that took place
as a group of people that were leaving the bar. This particular incident
wound up as a shooting incident. Several rounds were fired outside of the
bar on the street.
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Count #5, on January 17, 1997 again allowing the bar to operate in such a
manner as to become a nuisance. The call was ITom Mr. Simon Haddad
regarding Mr. Glen Foster. The problem was Mr. Foster comes into the bar
and just stands around, never buys anything and bothers people. He wanted
the officers to eject Mr. Foster from the bar. No complaints were signed by
either the owner of the bar, the bartender or anybody who claimed to be
disturbed by Mr. Foster's presence.
Del. Sgt. Bennett said Count #6 again allowed the license premise to become
such a nuisance, permitting brawls, violence, disturbances and unnecessary
noise on the premises. This happened on February 23, 1997. There was a call
regarding Mr. Ray (Inaudible) on the premises. This gentleman was arrested
at the time.
Count # 7, March 30, 1997, another incident of a fight. We received a call
from an anonymous female at approximately 2:00 AM. who said she just left
Simon's Night Club and said there was going to be a large fight between a
Newark Group and a Carteret Group. Four officers went up there and there
was a large crowd. They spoke to the owner and explained the nature of the
call. Mr. Haddad agreed to close the premises and the group disbursed. We
don't have an exact number that were in the bar, but there were four officers
there.
Count #8, May 18, 1997 did permit or suffer or allow an underage minor to
purchase alcoholic beverages and consume same on premises. This occurred
at approximately 12:20 AM. Officers observed a group of 8 males
approaching Simon's Night Club. One male in a grey shirt and skull cap
appeared to be drinking beer inside the club and had a can of Ballantine Ale.
He identified himself as 18 years old and it turned outhe was 17 years old.
He was taken into headquarters and released as a juvenile to his parents.
Count # 9, M¡:y 31, 1997 did permit or suffer an act of violence, disturbance
and unnecessary noise, allowing the place to become a nuisance and we had
a call ITom the place at approximately 2:20 AM. Three women were beating
up another woman. The oflicer responded observed the female victim, later
identified as Elizabeth Martinez. lying on the ground bleeding. First Aid was
called and responded. Ms. Martinez said she didn't know who attacked her
and refused to cooperate with any further investigation. The officers stated
there was no cooperation ITom the bar as to what happened inside or outside
the bar.
Count #10, lUl1e ]5, 1997, the licensed premises was conducted in such a
way to permit violence and disturbances causing the Carteret Police
Department to request assistance of the Woodbridge Police Department to
disburse 120 pt'rsons who had gathered on the streets after leaving the bar and
then engaged if¡ a series of fights. Said fights leading to the injury of a
Carteret Police Ofticer who had to be treated at the Emergency Room and
who was out of duty for several days.
Mayor Sica asked.\1r. Hadd"d if he would like to speak now?
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Mr. Haddad said regarding Count #1, the person came in and refused to
pay the $2.00. To prevent a big argument or a big fight because he came
in with three or four other people, he asked him to leave and he didn't
want to leave. For the record, he has no employees other than his self and
his wife. That was the only time he had to call a Police Officer about a
cover charge.
Mayor Sica said that $2.00 cover charge probably cost the city $200.00.
Mr. Haddad said the $2.00 cover charge isn't for him. It's for the DJ. that
comes Ill.
Mayor Sica said he didn't care about that. Every time we have to disburse
Police Officers down to his bar it costs the city a ton of money. Forget
about what it costs the city in manpower, while they are down there
trying to stop someone ITom paying or not paying the $2.00 cover charge,
we're leaving the rest of the city vulnerable to any other problems that
could happen. He said that didn't hold much weight.
Mr Haddad said alright. He said he would rather have one police officer
disburse that one person then having a big riot break out because of one
person. He's located in the Chrome Section of Carteret right on
Roosevelt and Pershing Avenues. The cliental he receives is 100% black
and he guesses that's the only bar for all the black people in town. That's
the only place they come to. It's not his choice. He has deal with them
one on one.
Mayor Sica asked what that had to do with anything. That has nothing to
do with fighting and having an unruly place. If it continues this way, the
town carlllot allow it there. People can go anywhere they want to drink.
There are other bars all over Carteret that people go in no matter what
their race, color or nationality is and they don't have fights If he is trying
to maintain a business of the magnitude they are talking about. 100 to
200 people with only 2 people workírig thêr~; neilS' going to have
problems. Those pwblems stem down to the taxpayers in Carteret and
that is what we are here to take care of. We just want to substantiate the
fact that all these things happen there.
Mr. Haddad said yes they did.
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Mayor Sica said that's all they need. As long as Mr. Haddad is agreeing
that all these things have happened and these incidents did take place, then
they have to make a determination between the Council and himself as to
if we want to allow Simon's to continue operating in this manner or what
we want to do because this is a drain on the city's services. We have only
so many police officers for the whole town. We don't have a police
department that caters only to the bars in the city of Carteret. They cater
to the whole town. If the services that we are rendering for the dollars we
are getting are outstripping the dollars we are getting then we have to take
a serious look at it. He asked Mr. Haddad if he agreed that all these
things did happen?
Mr. Haddad said on # 1. Yes,
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Mr. Haddad said regarding the person who called and said there were minors
in the bar, all officer came and found no minors. That's about Count #2.
On Count # 3 l\1r. Haddad said he saw a girlfriend - boyfriend hit each other
inside the bar. The boyrnend left the bar. He asked his wife to call the Police
Department to tell them that this person just hit his girlrriend. He didn't' want
to see a woman getting hit. They arrested the guy.
Mayor Sica said okay. But, it did happen.
Mr. Haddad said yes it did.
On Count #4 Mr. Haddad said this was about a shoot-out. On this incident,
somewhere along the line, he came down the next morning. There were three
or four bullets fired at his building. One through his bedroom, one through
the Simon's Night Club sign, it's still there, one through his tenant's apartment
right through her baby's bedroom. He said there were 30 to 40 people in the
hat and he made sure nobody left the bar. He kept them inside. He took Out
his 9 millimeter just in case anything went wrong, which he has a permit for.
All of a sudden there were bullets flying right through. The bullets came rrom
75 Roosevelt Avenue. They did not come from Simon's Night Club. Simon's
Night Club was not involved in this incident. The people at the bar had
nothing to do with it what so ever. The shooting came out of75 Roosevelt
Avenue into his bar. The person who was getting shot at ran into his bar and
tried to hide. Mr. Haddad said he called the Police Department and to]d them
there was a shooting going on down here. He was trying to protect
somebody from getting killed.
On Count # 5 Mr. Haddad said this is regarding Mr. Foster. He said he was
sure they had heard ofhirn. He is 6'3" or 6'4" with green eyes. A big trouble
maker in Carteret. He just didn't want him in his bar. He wanted him
completely out of the bar. He spoke to a detective on Friday. He has been in
the bar business seven years and this is the fil st time he has come to one of
these things. He said he didn't even know what the procedures were. The
detective explained to him that evelY time he makes a report, he has to come
back the next day to the police station and file a report. In the past seven
years when he had trouble he would call a police oftìcer who would do a
report It was over with and he would never come back again. That's why he
used to have the Liquor Store at 99 Roosevelt Avenue and they had big
problems with this guy in the past.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if that was with Mr. Foster?
Mr. Haddad said yes. He said back in ] 987 there were a couple of incident
repOlts filed on Mr. Foster and he had to come and testifY against him because
he saw the merchandise being robbed from a house across the street.
On Count # 6, Mr. Haddad said three officers came in the bar to arrest
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him out of the bar. He said he was more than helpful. His wife almost got
hwt. The guy tried to run from the cops and there is only one exit inside the
bar. He wished it would have happened outside, but it happened inside.
There was no fight or argument. He was just assisting the officers. He knows
all the officers in Carteret. If there are any problems he is the one they speak
to. Any activities in the area, he is the informer. He is the one that makes all
the calls
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Mr Haddad said he must have made over 200 phone calls in the past
seven years.
On Count #7, Mr. Haddad said the officers came in and told him that a
riot was supposed to break out and wanted him to shut down. He told he
had no problem with closing. It was around 2: 15 AM., and everybody
left. Approximately 80 to 90 people and he agreed to shut the bar down
so there would be no problems and no fights.
On Count # 8 on May 18, 1997, Mr. Haddad said it says right in the
report that (inaudible) and he got right back out. He is not going to let
that guy come in his bar.
On Count #9, Mr. Haddad said that did not happen in his bar It
happened at 61 Roosevelt Avenue. That's a private club right next door
to him. The woman came out of there and she had a big fight with three
girls and he told the police officer that the lady was wearing black,
weighing 200 pounds, running down Salen Avenue. They sent a car down
there. He didn't know what happened after the investigation, but he is the
one that helped this lady.
Mr. Haddad said on the last incident that was in the newspaper on
Monday that just passed, he was speaking to the Sergeant on the side at
3: 15 AM.. They were just talking. His parents were here rrom Florida.
At 3: 15 AM., the bar was already closed. A group was still outside.
Approximately 100 to 125 people and they started walking down Salem
Avenue, which is approximately one block down from his tavern and
that's where the riot took place. Whether it was the people out of his bar
or people out of South Amboy, he doesn't know. He was already inside
his house when the riot broke out. The Sergeant will confirm everything
he had told the Council. As far as his tavern being a nuisance, he agrees
that 10 reports is a lot. Four or five reports should not be against him. As
far as a person coming in holding a beer, he throws them right back out.
The area itself is not the greatest area. As far as police protection
Carteret is one of the best.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Haddad how many nights a week
he was open?
Mr. Haddad said Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how big was the bar? Could he
describe it?
Mr. Haddad said the bar is 2,500 square feet. The fire code is 276 people.
He has a 120 foot bar all the way around He lives on top of the bar.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many nights did he have
entertainment? Was it every night?
Mr. Haddad said not every night. He sometimes has birthday parties,
weddings, anniversaries, retirements. It's strictly for the people in the
Chrome Section. That's the only people that want to come to the area and
that's the people he has the parties for.
JUNE 26, 1997
Simon's Night
Club
Con' t.
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JUNE 26, 1997
Simon's
Night Club
Con I t.
Mr. Haddad said he has a basketball team and a football team, one in Perth
Amboy and one in Carteret and they throw the parties. The $2 cover charge
is because the people themselves hire a D.1. and they collect the cover charge
to pay for the music.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many exits there were? Three?
Mr. Haddad said three
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if the three exits were in the building or in
the bar?
Mr. Haddad said in the bar. He showed them a diagram he had brought with
him. He also had a copy of the fire code.
Borough Attorney Coughlin marked them E1 and E2 in evidence. He asked
if there were ever any other employees other than Mr. Haddad and his wife?
Part-time employees?
Mr. Haddad said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he ever had anyone at the door?
Mr. Haddad said he did. He has some one from his basketball team or his
football team. They throw their own parties.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked when they do that do they serve as the
person at the door to collect the fee?
Mr. Haddad said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if Mr. Haddad paid them?
Mr. Haddad said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how he determined how many people he
let in to the bar on any given night? Is there any way he has of controlling
that'!
Mr. Haddad said the most he ever had in his bar was 150 people. The fire
code is 276. He would never reach that.
Borough Attol1wy Coughlin asked Mr. Haddad how he would know that the
most he ever had was 150'1
Mr. Haddad said he has 70 chairs, total. By being there seven years he can
determine how many people are sitting and how many are walking around.
Roughly between 1O0 to 150 people.
Borough Attorney Couhglin asked him to describe the nature of his patrons?
What kind of alcoholic consua,ption goes on 'here? Would he describe it as
heavy, moderate Oï light'!
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Mr. Hadòad said between moderate and heavy.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many patrons did he have on an
average night?
Mr. Haddad said about 30 or 40.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how much beer did he sell a week?
How many shots? Did he know?
Mr. Haddad said approximately 10 -15 cases of beer. Shots, no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if that was per week?
Mr. Haddad said correct
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked him if had a policy for handling
disputes as they arise in the bar?
Mr. Haddad said yes, he has 15 to 20 guys who come there every Friday
and Saturday. Any problems that happen in the bar, a person is getting to
loud, etc. they are directed to take care of it.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked what did he mean by take care of it?
Mr. Haddad said get in the middle, break it up, getting out ofhand outside
the bar.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked then why didn't he have Mr. Foster
thrown out of the bar?
Mr. Haddad said at the time Foster came, he did not allow him inside the
bar. He opened the door and tried to come in and when he saw him, the
guys who are normally there weren't there, at the same time he had his
wife call the police. Foster is the only person in the whole town that he
does not want in his bar.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he didn't have any further questions.
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Mayor Sica asked if anyone else had any questions?
Councilmember Fazekas asked about using his team as bouncers. He
asked Mr. Haddad if there was anyone he paid to do this.
Mr. Haddad said no. He said he has been there for 7 years. His parents
owned the liquor store for 10 years. He knows every person that walks
into his bar. If not by name, he knows them by face. He has respect in
that area He is not afraid. 80% of the people down there have been in
prison or have had drug dealings.
Councilmember Bialowarczuk asked in the Chrome Area?
Mr. Haddad said correct. He said the people who come in his bar.
Council member Fazekas asked if he was stating that he had to wear a
bullet proof vest to be in that area.
Mr. Haddad said in the Chrome Section? After 1 or 2 in the morning?
Yes.
JUNE 26, 1997
Simon's Night Club
Con' t.
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JUNE 26, 1997
Simon's
Night Club
Con' t.
Mr. Haddad said he didn't recommend walking around there at one or two in
the morning.
Councilmember Fazekas asked if brought this to the attention of the police?
Mr. Haddad said sure.
Councilmember Fazekas asked if they took any action?
Mr. Haddad said sure.
Councilmember Fazekas asked if any reports were filed concerning this?
Mr. Haddad said yes. He said he worked with Gary Guliano, Del. Kopin and
three or four other officers.
Councilmember Fazekas said so Mr. Haddad is saying that he wouldn't want
anybody walking in that area. It's a battle zone.
Mr. Haddad said not a battle zone.
Councilmember Fazekas said if you have to wear a bullet proof jacket, he is
stating that the Chrome area is a battle zone.
Mr. Haddad said yes it is.
Councilmember Gutowski said ifMr. Haddad is experiencing trouble, why
doesn't he hire someone. He is relying on the Police Department to provide
security and that is not what they are there for.
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Mr. Haddad said out of 10 reports, there are only 3 or 4 that the police had
to be there and take control. Every bar has a problem. Every weekend.
Councilmember Gutowski said every bar that he has been in that has a 0.1. ,
music and people dancing has some kind of security.
Mr. Haddad said he has been there for 7 years and they have never seen him
up here before.
Mayor Sica asked if anyone else had any questions before they go into Closed
Session?
RESOLUTION
ii'97-208
Closed Session
RESOLUTION #97-208 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembcrs DuPont and BiaJowarczuk
RESOLUTION #97-208
"RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION"
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Adopted
was adopted. Upon individual foil call vote, Council members Bialowarczuk,
DuPont, FaiJace, Fazekas and Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
Councilmember Feingold was notcd absent.
t1EETING
CLOSED
At approximately 8:50 P.M., the meeting was adjourned into Closed Session.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Feingold and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present the meeting was opened at
approximately 9:01 P.M.
Mayor Sica told Mr. Haddad that in reference to the ten charges, they find
that certain charges were unwarranted and should not have been brought
against him, but they are outweighed by the charges that they feel he had
some direct control over or should have had direct control over.
Therefore, they are going to declare that his tavern has become a nuisance
to the city of Carteret. They are going to renew his license and suspend
it for 60 days.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said they needed to have a public hearing on
the renewal of the license.
At approximately 900 P.M., Councilmember William Feingold was noted
present.
Mayor Sica said in reference to the charges they find Mr. Haddad guilty
of running a nuisance and they are going to suspend his license for 60
days. They are going to impose upon him a condition that whenever this
tavern is open he must supply a security person to patrol the establishment
and any violation of the conditions they place on the license will mean
immediate permanent revocation.
Mayor Sica made a motion to close Simon's Night Club for 60 days and
implement those conditions.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said they should motion that the findings and
penalties should be adopted.
Upon MMS&C by Councilmembers Failace and Gutowski the motion was
made for the findings and penalties to be adopted.
Upon individual roB call vote, Council members Bialowarczuk, DuPont,
Failace, Fazekas, Gutowski voted in the affirmative. Councilmember
Feingold abstained.
RESOLUTION #97-212 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
P£SOLUTION #97-212
Upon M,\1S&C, by Councilmembers Failace and DuPont and unanimous
affirmative vote of the tÜll Council present, the Mayor declared the Public
Hearing to be open:
There being no comments or objections to the Resolution, the Mayor
dec!ared the public hearing to be closed upon MMS&C, by
Council members Failace and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote of
the full Council present.
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JUNE 26, 1997
MEETING OPENED
Simon's Night
Club Con't.
Councilman Feingold
Noted Present
Motion to Close
for 60 Days
Motion Adopted
RESOLUTION #97-212
Renewal of ABC
License - Simon's
Night Club
Public Hearing
Hearing Closed
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JUNE 26, 1997
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace
RESOLUTION #97-212
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO. 1201-33-044-004 FOR
THE 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL CONDITlON(S)
Adopted
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk,
DuPont, Failace, Fazekas and Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
Councilmember Feingold abstained.
Comments
Mayor Sica told Mr. Haddad that they imposed he closed his bar 10 days rrom
today for 60 days.
Mr. Haddad asked if he could appeal.
Mayor Sica told him he could appeal to Trenton. There is no appeal to this
Council.
Vento's Place
Mayor Sica asked if anybody was here representing Vento's Place?
Mr. Vento replied here.
Mayor Sica told Mr. Vento that he had one charge against him. He asked
Det. Sgt. Bennett
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he made a mistake when he typed it up and he
apologizes for that. He said there is a single charge concerning music on
March 2, 1997. The individual who called, they did do a police report,
wherein Vento's Bar had a loud music complaint. Music was being played by
aDJ. The ollìcer spoke with the owner John Vento and the officer also
spoke with the complainant Joseph Dyers who said he was awakened by loud
music being played inside the bar. He said he spoke with Mr. Dyers, who had
called 3 times, where his door is located is in very close proximity to the bar
and whenever the bar door opens it wakes him up. The call was at 2:07 AM.
Mayor Sica asked if there had ever been any other complaints rrom Vento's
until now"
Oet. Sgt. Bennett said no. He talked to Mr. Vento and he said the problem
was the OJ. opening up the door after he had been told to close it.
Mayor Sica asked Mr. Vento if he had taken steps to correct that problem?
Mr. Vento said yes
Mayor Sica asked ifthere were any other complaints?
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Mr. Vento said no. He said he had his neighbors sign a petition regarding the
noise from his bar and he presented the petition to the Mayor.
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Mayor Sica made a motion to find him not guilty and just ask him to keep
the noise down.
Upon individual roll call vote, Council members Bialowarczuk, DuPont,
Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative to find
Vento's not guilty of the charge.
RESOLUTION #97-213 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action:
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and DuPont and
unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor
declared the Public Hearing to be open:
There being no comments or objections to the Resolution, the Mayor
declared the Public Hearing to be closed upon MMS&C, by
Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote of
the full Council present.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas
RESOLUTION #97-213
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO. 1201-33-016-003 FOR
TI-æ 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL
CONDITION(S)"
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was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers
BiaJowarczuk, DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted
in the affirmative.
Mayor Sica asked if anyone was present represent TJ's.
Mr. Moorehead was present.
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Del. Sgt. Bennett said regarding TJ.'s there were two incidents. Incident
#1 ",as on November 1, 1996 was a licensed premise call, there was a
report that there was a patron problem. The owner, Mr. Thomas
Moorehead said that several customers at the bar were being bother by a
Spanish middle-aged woman who was intoxicated. Mr. Moorehead stated
that he asked her to leave the bar and she did not respond. He called the
police since he did not know the person and did not want to be
responsible as this person tried to drive away his business. The officers
( inaudible) Diane? who was apparently drunk and urinated in her clothes.
JUNE 26, 1997
Vento's Place
Can't.
Not Guilty
RESOLUTION #97-213
Renewal of ABC
License - Vento's
Place
Public Hearing
Hearing Closed
Adopted
T.J. 's Glass Bar
JUNE 26, 1997
T.J. 's Glass
Bar Con't.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the second was on March 20, 1997 he did allow, permit
or suffer the licensed premises to bc conducted in such a manner as to become
a nuisance in that the bartender, at that time, George Miller, had used the
burglar alarm to get the Police to the premises. This created a problem for the
police because of the type of burglar alarm. We had to have several cars
respond. The alarm was used because of a fight. The bartender, George
Miller, was (inaudible) of a borough ordinance in doing that.
Mayor Sica asked if these were the omy two charges last year against this bar?
He asked Mr. Moorehead if there was anything he wanted to say.
Mr. Moorehead said with the one incident with the woman, he asked her to
leave. He said he would call her a cab. He didn't want to have any problems
with sexual harassment and figured the best way to do it was to call the
police. He didn't want to cost the borough money, but he didn't know of any
other way to get her to leave.
Mayor Sica said he knows this bar. He has been in there and it's run as a nice
place. It's more of a neighborhood bar than anything else. The part that
disturbs him is that he should instruct his bartenders not to pull the burglar
alarm because somebody could get hurt. If it's a fight, we'll let them fight until
they b~at each other's head in and then lock them up. But for burglar alarms,
the police respond differently.
Mr. Moorehead said that was the first time it was done. He did it accidently.
He had put the system in and the bartender didn't realize what he was doing.
Mayor Sica said he would recommend that the Council renew this license with
the condition that we keep an eye on it for the next year. He asked if anyone
wanted to ask any questions?
Councilmember Fazekas asked if Mr. Moorehead had any security in his bar?
Mr. Moorehead said he didn't think he needed it. There are 20 stools.
Mayor Sica said it's just a neighborhood bar. He again stated that he thinks
they should renew Mr. Moorehead's license with the understanding that we
will keep an eye on it. We will find him not guilty of these two charges.
¡lotion to
Find Not
Guil ty
Mayor Sica made a motion to tìnd TJ.'s Glass Bar not guilty of the two
charges upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Bialowarczuk.
Motion
Passed
Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk, DuPont,
Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Guto\\iski voted in the affirmative to find the
TJ.'s Glass Bar not guilty of the two charges.
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RESOLUTION #97-214 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas and
unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor
declared the hearing open:
There being no comments or objections to the Resolution, the Mayor
declared the public hearing to be closed upon MMS&C, by
Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote
of the full Council present.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas
RESOLUTION #97-214
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO. 1201-33-038-003 FOR
THE 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL
CONDITION(S)"
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers
Bialowarczuk, DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted
in the affirmative.
Mayor Sica asked who was here representing Such's Tavern?
Kinias K. Jafferian, Esq. asked that the hearing be closed.
Borough Attorney CougWin said he didn't think that was a basis for a
closed session.
Det. Sgt. Ronald Bennett read the charges. He said the first charge was
on December 6, 1996 and the last charge was on May 20, 1997. He said
Such's was using the Police as a bouncer and security service. Every time
there was an incident, rather than taking action they would call the police
to take the action
Attorney Jafferian said with respect to the charges, one of them involves
some one who had gone in the bar. They had found out they had AIDS
that day. Such's has no control over the fact that some one is upset. They
didn't even call. Some one called because her fiance was in the bar and
was concerned about her well being. They feared she might harm herself.
There was another incident when there were suspicious people in the area
of Such's parking lot. Such's didn't call on that one. That was the result
of a call by some unknown person. The police came and investigated and
at the conclusion of their investigation, the report indicates that there was
no wrong doing. The only consequence was some one felt they were
SUSpiCIOUS.
JUNE 26, 1997
RESOLUTION #97-214
Rene,,,al of ABC
License - T.J. 's
Glass Bar
Hearing Opened
Hearing Closed
Adopted
Such I S Tavern
JUNE 26, 1997
Such I S Tavern
Con't.
Attorney Jafferian said in another incident some one called and contacted the
police, there was a person who had his 13 year old daughter with him and
they didn't want the person to leave the premise because he was intoxicated.
They didn't want him to get in his car with his child or hurt the general public.
As a result of that the individual was ultimately safely escorted in custody by
the police to his mother's. The rest of the charges basically involve Such's
trying to keep a safe place and avoid servicing their premises. Some one
would leave and the bartender didn't want to take the law into his own hands
with a situation that had the potential of a charge of assault. When the person
didn't leave voluntarily and they demand him to leave, they call the police.
When the police were on their way that person left. In the future, they could
threaten to call the police and not actually call them, which would have the
same impact. In all the cases, the people left once they knew the police were
on their way.
Mayor Sica asked Attorney Jafferian if he wanted to put his client on?
Mayor Sica swore Emil Such in.
Attorney Jefferian asked Mr. Such to state his name?
Mr. Such said Emil Such.
Attorney Jafferian asked Mr. Such what his position was his position at
Such's?
Mr Such said manager.
Attorney Jafferian asked how many days a week was Such's open?
Mr. Such said seven days.
Attorney Jafferian asked Mr. Such what were the hours of operation?
Mr. Such said Monday through Saturday 9:00 AM. to 2:00 AM. Sunday
12:00 Noon until 1 :00 AM.
Attorney Jafferian asked if that was 365 days a year?
Mr. Such said yes.
Attorney Jafferian asked how many patrons do they have coming into the bar
on an average day?
Mr. Such said he couldn't tell him. He said he has a liquor store and the bar
separate. He never counted. He approximated 60 or 70.
Attorney Jafferian asked if he did a lot of business on cash and carry?
Mr. Such said yes.
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Attorney Jafferian asked ifthat was a big part of his business?
Mr. Such said yes.
Attorney Jafferian asked if he had an eating area?
Mr. Such said yes. He has a restaurant.
Attorney Jafferian asked if that was open (inaudible)
Mr. Such said he has a grill opened during the day, all the time. The
kitchen is open on Wednesday night.
Attorney Jafferian asked if he basically considered it a neighborhood
tavern?
Mr. Such said yes, a neighborhood and family tavern.
Attorney Jafferian asked also a restaurant?
Mr. Such said yes and transient as far as liquor packages taken out
Attorney Jafferian said he didn't have any other questions.
Mayor Sica asked if anyone on the Council wanted to ask Mr. Such
anything.
Councilmember Fazekas asked Mr. Such ifhe had his own security?
Mr. Such said no.
Councilmember Fazekas asked if he had any security whatsoever?
Mr. Such said no. He said the problem he has is his bartender is too
cautious.
Councilmember Fazekas said Mr. Such provides liquor and food and
asked him what time did he close the food?
Mr. Such said the grill is open all the time.
Councilmember Fazekas asked all the way until closing?
Mr. Such said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Such how many employees did he
have
Mr. Such said 10.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Such if he had any policy with
regard to calling the police.
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Mr. Such said no. He said he didn't realize this was a problem until he
was given this last week. He spoke to the individual who made the call
to let him know we were sorry and that we didn't want to become a
nuisance. Evidently he was by calling the police.
JUNE 26, 1997
Such's Tavern
Con' t.
JUNE 26, 1997
Such's Tavern
Con' t.
Mayor Sica asked if anyone else had any questions?
RESOLUTION
#97-209
Closed Session
RESOLUTION #97-209 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Council members Failace and Fazekas
RESOLUTION #97-209
"RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION"
Adopted
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk,
DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
Adjourned Into
Closed Session
At approximately 9:20 PM., the meeting was adjourned into Closed Session.
Meeting Opened
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present, the meeting was opened at
approximately 9:25 P.M.
Mayor Sica advised Mr. Such that the Council would renew his license with
the stipulation that he control his parking lot.
RESOLUTION
#97-215
Renevlz-l of
ABC License -
Such's Tavern
RESOLUTION #97-215 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Public Hearing
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and DuPont and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor declared the Public
Hearing to be open:
Hearing Closed
There being no comments or objections to the Resolution, the Mayor declared
the public hearing to be closed upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Fazekas
and DuPont and unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and DuPont
RESOLUTION #97-215
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO. 1201-33-043-001 FOR
THE 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS"
Adopted
was adopted with the stipulation that Mr. Such control his parking lot. Upon
individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk, DuPont, Failace,
Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative for the renewal of
the AB.C. License with the stipulation that the parking lot be controlled.
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Mayor Sica asked if there was anyone representing Furkist Realty, Inc,
t/a Bridges?
John Spoganetz, Esq. and Charles Mulliker were present.
Mayor Sica asked Det. Sgt. Bennett to read the charges.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said for the record, Councilmember DuPont
is going to recuse himself He has indicated that he plays on a team
sponsored by the license holder. He said Councilmember Bialowarczuk
indicated that her sister was an employee and therefore she is also
recusing herself.
Det Sgt. Bennett read the following counts:
Count NO.1: On September 22, ] 966, you did allow, permit or suffer the
licensed premised to be conducted in such a manner as to become a
nuisance by permitting brawls, acts of violence, disturbances and
unnecessary noise, thereby causing the business to be run in such a manner
so as to become a nuisance.
Count NO.2: On December 15, 1996, you did allow, permit or suffer the
licensed premises to be conducted in such a manner as to become a
nuisance by permitting brawls, acts of violence, disturbances and
unnecessary noise, thereby causing the business to be run in such a manner
so as to become a nuisance.
Count NO.3: On January 26, 1997, you did allow, permit or suffer the
licensed premises to be conducted in such a manner as to become a
nuisance by permitting brawls, acts of violence, disturbances and
unnecessary noise, thereby causing the business to be run in such a manner
so as to become a nuisance.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the first count on September 22, ] 996 involved an
assault that occurred at approximately 1 :23 AM.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said on January 26, 1997, the polic,e responded to a
report of aggravated assault on Sunday morning at 2:22 A.M. The officer
that was detailed (inaudible) by caller requesting an ambulance. The
officer found the victim Thomas Murray laying on the dance floor and
bleeding profusely from the right arm and wrist. The officers gave first
aid. Thomas Murray was hit in the head with a bottle. The victim was
transported to Rahway Hospital. The police looked for Mark Devine, the
person who committed the assault. He was arrested at his residence.
Mark Devine was charged by Carteret Police Department with the assault.
The victim was found on the floor and the report doesn't give an
indication of how many people were in the bar at the time or what was
going on.
JUNE 26, 1997
Furkist Realty, Inc.
t/a Bridges
JUNE 26, 1997
Furkist Realty
t/a Bridges
Con't.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the other incident on December 15, 1996, licensed
premise call, something was going on at 2: 17 AM. all cars were detailed to
1241 Roosevelt Avenue on a report of a large fight in the parking lot. The
police observed approximately 100 person in the parking lot with several
groups arguing. The police officers were able to disperse all person rrom the
parking area without any altercations. No person would come forward in
response to questions as to what occurred prior to police arriving. They
spoke to the bar manager, Ms. Sutton, who stated that the problem started in
the parking area, six different groups were fighting and she did not know what
the altercations were about.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the last count which was on September 22, 1996 was
a bar call for a simple assault. Officers were detailed to the scene. They spoke
with Mr. Palmucci who stated that words were exchanged between himself
and Ms. Stenger. Something about playing pool out of turn. There is an
employee who stated that he did observe the assault and they attempted to
escort the woman out of the bar. Every one there was advised of complaint
procedures, but no complaints were ever signed.
John Spoganetz, Esq. representing the licensee asked Det. Sgt. Bennett if it
was fair to say on the three counts against Bridges that he had no personal
knowledge of any of them.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said not of anyone of them, no. .
Attorney Spoganetz asked if it was fair to state that while looking at the
reports that the gentleman (inaudible) the fight at the pool table ( inaudible).
Is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Spoganetz said it looked like she hit him and then he hit her, is that
correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if Mr. Hmieleski is an employee of the bar?
Del. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if Mr. Hmieleski saw the fight inside and took him
outside?
Del. Sgt. Bennett said according tó the report, he attempted to escort him
out, that was correct.
Attorney Spoganetz, ultimately there was a group in the bar, is that what it
says?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz said there's nothing in this report about either party being 22
drunk, is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett was inaudible.
Attorney Spoganetz said the employee of the licensee took the
appropriate action by removing these people from the bar, is that correct.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he did take action.
Attorney Spoganetz said that happened September 22, 1996, that's
approximately nine months ago.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked on Count 2 was the crowd disbursing on
December 15 1996, is that correct.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz said when the police arrived at the scene of the
parking lot the crowd disbursed (inaudible)
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes it was.
Attorney Spoganetz said wasn't it true that the bar manager was the one
that called the police and the bar was closed at that time?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he couldn't tell hirn.
Attorney Spoganetz said the report indicated (inaudible) Whatever
altercation the report indicates it happened outside of the bar. (inaudible)
disbursed the crowd, is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Spoganetz said the last incident, Count 3, January 26, 1997, isn't
Mr. Murray an employee of a licensed bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he didn't know. He said he didn't have that on his
report. It tells him what they did.
Attorney Spoganetz said Tom Murray's a bartender for the bar. That
incident occurring on the floor with him dancing, he went to break up the
incident and as a result he was seriously hurt. People at the bar called the
police for an ambulance because of his injuries and he was the victim and
testified against the people that were charged with the complaints. He
said that is still in litigation. In this particular incident, he was the
bartender who saw something on the dance floor and went to stop it and
got hit over the head with a bottle.
Attorney Spoganetz called for Mr. Mullecker.
Mayor Sica swore Mr. Mullecker in at this time.
Attorney Spoganetz asked Mr. Mulliker ifhe was the owner of Fur krist,
Inc.?
JUNE 26, 1997
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Mr. Mullecker said he was.
Attorney Spoganetz was inaudible.
Mr. Mullecker said basically.
Attorney Spoganetz said Mr. Mullecker's employee basically took out those
two people (inaudible)
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if he took out the person who was the son of the
manager of the bar at the time?
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if had occ~sion to speak to her about the incident
Mr. Mullecker said the bar was called and the doormen got everybody out and
closed the bar. Someone had said there was a fight outside. The bar was
closed and they called the police. (inaudible)
Attorney Spoganetz said on the other incident, number 3, he asked ifMr.
Murray was the bartender at the time of this>
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz he asked Mr. Mullecker if he understood and
acknowledged that Mr. Murray went to break up the incident on the dance
floor?
Mr. Mullecker said yeah, he went over the bar to try and stop a fight or an
argument and to help get these one or two guys out. He got hit in the head
with a bottle.
Attorney Spoganetz asked ifhe sutI:ered any injuries.
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if he was the person who testified?
Mr. Mullecker said as far as he knows he filed a complaint and is suing.
Attorney Spoganetz asked Mr. Mullecker how many days a week is his bar
open?
Mr. Mullecker said six.
Attorney Spoganetz asked what the hours were.
Mr. Mullecker said from 11: 00 AM. until Closing.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if he had a restaurant in these premises?
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Mr.Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked Mr. Mullecker if he served families and
children in this area?
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz asked what kind of clients do you have on a weekly
basis? .
Mr. Mullecker asked if he meant people?
Attorney Spoganetz said yes.
Mr. Mullecker said on the average day about 100 people.
Attorney Spoganetz asked Mr. Mullecker ifhe had security people hired?
Mr. Mullecker said on Friday and Saturday nights.
Attorney Spoganetz asked what type of security they had?
Mr. Mullecker said usually four men. Two at the door and they check
everybody's ID.. One walks around the place and keeps an eye on things
and there is another one that walks around and goes outside and keeps an
eye on the parking lot. They patrol both inside and outside.
Attomey Spoganetz asked him if during the course of the past license year
did he recall having any complaints against him for bottles in the parking
lot or any complaints rrom neighbors about people throwing stuff on their
side of the yard?
Mr. Mullecker said no.
Attorney Spoganetz asked if he was open evelY day of the week?
Mr. MuJlecker said they were closed on Sunday
Attorney Spoganetz asked if that was 305 days per year?
Mr. Mnllecker said that was correct.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he heard Mr. Mullecker mention a
number of employees, he asked him ifhe worked at the bar himself?
Me Mullecker said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked ever?
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Mr. Mu!!ecker said never.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked him how often he was there?
Mr. Mullecker was inaudible.
JUNE 26, 1997
Furkrist RefÜty,
Inc., t/a
Bridges
Con' t.
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JUNE 26, 1997
~Jrkrist Realty,
Inc. t/a
Bridges
Con't.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said to check on it, but not to work there, right?
He asked if he ever took a turn behind the bar?
Mr. Mullecker said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said with regard to the incident where Mr.
Murray was injured, he asked Mr. Mullecker if he was present at the bar that
night?
Mr. Mullecker said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said whatever Mr. Mullecker has told them is
based on his understanding rrom some other party. He asked if that was
correct?
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was his understanding, on that night,
was this the first sign of trouble between the combatants, the people who were
engaged in the activity that Mr. Murray went to break up?
Mr. Mullecker said the fellow that hit into him was barred from the place, but
somehow he slipped in. That happens. As soon as they saw him, they tried
to get him out because this particular person is known as a trouble maker.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked when was this person banned rrom the bar?
That day or previously?
Mr. Mullecker said previously.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how they would go about enforcing that
at the bar? If you ban someone, how do you go about enforcing it?
Mr. Mullecker said all the bouncers and the manager know who is banned and
if someone in the bar sees that person, they escort him out of the bar.
Borough Attorney CougWin said Mr. Mullecker said on average there were
100 people a day. He asked him if it was heavier on weekends?
Mr. Mullecker said on Friday and Saturday nights.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was about 150 a day?
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if in addition to pool, are there any other
activities in the bar?
Mr. Mullecker said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked him if they had entertainment?
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Mr. Mullecker said aDJ.
Borough Attorney Couhglin asked on weekends or all the time?
Mr. Mullecker said just on weekends.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked MrMullecker how he would describe
the alcohol level of consumption by the patrons, generally speaking? Is
it a heavy drinking crowd?
Mr. Mullecker said average.
Borough Attorney CougWin asked him what he meant by average?
Mr. Mullecker said if they are drunk they are cut off or refused service.
If they try coming in and they are drunk, they are turned away.
Councilmember Failace asked if the three incidents that happened, was
there security there? On the weekend, on Friday or Saturday?
Mr. Mullecker said yes.
Attorney Spoganetz said just to wrap it up, the three incidents, rrom the
reports he has æad, did not mention (inaudible) on the premises at all.
Number 2, we called for help, the police came by (inaudible). Number 3
is an incident that occurred on the dance floor, our employee jumped over
the bar to stop it and got seriously hurt. When Mr. Mullecker testified he
talked about it. He said he didn't think with the (inaudible) people and the
number of days they are open that these three incidents show repetition.
They show isolated incidents which took place in September, December
and January of the licensed year. The volume of business he does and
where he is located on a busy highway, he didn't think he was (inaudible)
whatsoever. I disagree that he may call the police (inaudible). He said he
thought the bartender behind the counter had the duty to call police
officers at certain times. Not to be repetitious or, use them for security, we
don't do that. If there is a crowd in the parking lot, the easiest way to get
a crowd to disburse is to have the police drive by with the sirens and
loudspeakers and tell the people to go home. To send the young lady out
or send security out to the parking lot would cause more problems. In
essence that is all he has to say. They broke up two fights there and the
two incidents were six months apart.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if there were conditions on the license
now?
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Attorney Spoganetz said they looked back in the file and in 1994 where
they were asked to put security in the parking lot on Friday and Saturday
nights. The license years for the last two years has had no problem. He
said he thinks this bar in West Carteret had the highest volume of people
going in and out all day opposed to the other bar that is open three nights
a week and had eight incidents as opposed to 305 days a year with a
restaurant and everything and only had three incidents in a year. He said
he was sure that if the police department thought they were having
problems back in September of 1996 they would have filed charges on
that one incident. Nobody ever filed charges. Few people hire security
inside and outside.
JUNE 26, 1997
Furkrist Realty
Inc. t/a
Bridges
Con' t.
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JUNE 27, 1997
Furkrist Realty
Inc. t/a
Bridges
Con' t.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if there was any intention of changing
that?
Attorney Spoganetz said no. He said it was worth it. They haven't had a real
problem outside since 1994.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he had four people on security?
Mr. Mullecker said on Friday and Saturday night there are four unless
someone doesn't show up. Normally there are four.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they were identifiable?
Mr. Mullecker said they wear shirts that say Bridges. Staff shirts.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they specifically work security or do they
do other work?
Mr. Mullecker said they just do security. They walk around inside and
outside. He said sometimes there are problems in any bar. People start
drinking (inaudible) so security has to stop them and that can cause problems.
RESOLUTION
#97-210
Closed Session
RESOLUTION #97-210 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Fazekas and Gutowski
RESOLUTION #97-210
"RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION"
Adopted
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Failace,
Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative. Councilmembers
Bialowarczuk and DuPont abstained.
Meeting Closed
At approxir..ìately 9:48 P.M., the meeting was adjourned into Closed Session.
Meeting Opened
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Bialowarczuk and DuPont and
unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present the meeting was
opened at approximately 9:56 P.M.
Mayor Sica said the Council has máde a decision that they find that Bridges
has become a nuisance. In the past there were serious fighting problems there
aud it straightened itself out when the Council put the stipulation that they
have security. He '¡aid they will now find Bridges guilty of being a nuisance
and impose the restriction t hat they continue to have bouncers in the parking
Jot and in the bar and suspend their license for ten days beginning July 10th.
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Mayor Sica made a motion to find Bridges guilty, suspend the license for
1 0 days and they must keep security there.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas and individual
roll call vote" Councilmembers Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski
voted in the affirmative to find Bridges guilty, suspend their license for
10 days and keep security. Councilmembers Bialowarczuk and DuPont
abstained.
RESOLUTION #97-216 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor declared the Public
Hearing to be open:
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Fazekas and Failace and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present the public hearing was closed.
RESOLUTION #97-216
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO. 1201-32-031-007 FOR
THE 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL CONDITIONS"
was adopted with the following stipulations: four (4) security people and
ten (10) days revocation oflicense from July 10, 1997 to July 20, 1997.
Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Failace, Fazekas, Feingold
and Gutowski voted in the affirmative. Councilmembers Bialowarczuk
and DuPont abstained.
Mayor Sica asked who was left?
Municipal Clerk Barney said Five Corners and she had a few that just had
to be renewed.
Mayor Sica called Det Sgt. Bennett.
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Gerald Glennon, Esq. requested a closed hearing.
Mayor Sica said they were not at liberty to do that. It imposes the
Sunshine Law. He thought they could, but they can't.
JUNE 26, 1997
Notion - Guilty
Found Guilty
RESOLUTION #97-216
ABC License Renewal
with Stipulations
Furkrist Realty, Inc.
t/a Bridges
Public Hearing
Hearing Closed
Adopted
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners
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Corners Inn
Can't.
Gerald Glennon, Esq. said for the record, he was representirigŒlda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners Inn located 74 Pershing Avenue.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said before he started reading the charges that there is a
correction on Count #10. The date should read July 1, 1996.
Count # 1 and Count # 2 are essentially the same. On January 16, 1997, they
did allow, permit or suffer in and upon the licensed premise unlawful activity
pertaining to the controlled dangerous substances as defined by New Jersey
Controlled Dangerous Substance Act (N.1.S.A 24:21-1 et seq.) that on the
aforesaid dates they allowed, permitted or suffered the procuring and
distribution of substances as defined by the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous
Substance Act ( N.JS.A. 24:21-1 et seq.) in violation of NJ.A.C. 13:2-
235(b)
Count # 3 on March 11, 1997 you allowed, permitted or suffered in and upon
your licensed premises, unlawful activity pertaining to controlled dangerous
substances as defined by New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance Act
(NJ.S.A. 24:21-1 et seq.) that on the aforesaid date, you allowed, permitted
or suffered the procuring and distribution of substances as defined by the New
Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance Act (N.1.S.A 24:21-1 et seq.) in
violation ofNJ.A.C. 13:2-23.5 (b).
Count #4 on April 9, 1997, you allowed, permitted or suffered in and upon
your licensed premises, unlawful activity pertaining to controlled dangerous
substances and defined by the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance
Act (N.1.S.A 24:21-1 et seq.), that on the aforesaid date you allowed,
permitted or suffered the procuring and distribution of substances as defined
by the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance Act (NJ.S.A. 24:21-1
et seq.) in violation ofNJ.A.C. 13:2-23.5 (b).
Count #5 on May 23, 1997, you allowed, permitted or suffered in and upon
your licensed premises, unlawful activity pertaining to controlled dangerous
substances and defined by the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance
Act ( N.1.S.A. 24:21·1 et seq.) that on the aforesaid date you allowed,
permitted or suffered the procuring and distribution of substances as defined
by the New Jersey Controlled Dangerous Substance Act (N.1.S.A 24:21-1
et seq.) in violaíion ofNJ.A.C. 13:2-23.5 (b).
Count #6 on May I, 1997, you allowed, permitted or suffered in and upon
your licensed premises, unlawful activity pertaining to the sale of stolen
property to customers and patrons thereby permitting the licensed premises
to be used in the furtherance or aid or accessible to aid in the furtherance of
an illegal activity known as fencing of stolen property, this act in violation of
N.J.A.C. 132-a5 (c).
Count #7 on December 17, 1996, you allowed, permitted or suffered in and
upon your licensed premises, the sale, service or delivery of an alcoholic
beverage either directly or indirectly to three (3) minors under the Jegal age 30
to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages and did allow, permit or suffer
the consumption of an alcoholic beverage on the licensed premises by three
(3) minurs under the legal age to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages,
this act in violation ofNJ.A.C. 13:2-23.1 (a)
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Count #8 on May 10, 1997, you allowed permitted or suffered in and
upon your licensed premises, the sale, senlice or delivelY of an alcoholic
beverage either directly or indirectly to two (2) minors under the legal age
to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages and did allow, permit or
suffer the consumption of an alcoholic beverage on the licensed premises
by two (2) minors under the legal age to purchase or consume alcoholic
beverages, this act in violation ofNJAc. 13:2-23.1 (a).
Gilda R., Inc.
Fi,'€ Corners
TÐ."v-ern
Con't.
Count #9 on June 3, 1997, you allowed, permitted or suffered in and
upon your licensed premises, the sale, service or delivery of an alcoholic
beverage either directly or indirectly to two(2) minors under the legal age
to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages, this act in violation of
N.JA.C. 132-23.1 (a).
Count #10 between the dates ofJuly I, 1996 and June 11, 1997, you did
allow, permit or suffer the licensed premises to be co¡¡ducted in such a
manner as to become a nuisance by permitting brawls, acts of violence,
disturbances and unnecessary noise. This act in violation of NJ.AC.
13:2-23.6 (a)
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the complaints with regard to the sale and
distrihution of narcotics in Count # J and Count #2 involve Middlesex
County Narcotics Task Force in conjunction with the Carteret Police
Department. Twice on the 16th ofJanuary, 1997 drugs were purchased
in the bar and the Task Force with the aid of the Carteret Police
Department arrested two persons for the sale of drugs to undercover
personnel of the Middlesex County Task Force.
On Count #3 it involved the individual who purchased a controlled
dangerous substance, who admitted purchasing on the premises after he
was arrested for possession of an assault weapon in violation of the New
Jersey assault weapon law. He acknowledged that he purchased it inside
Five Corners.
On Count #4 April 9, 1997 there was an act of simple assault on the
premises. Mr. VanOrden who was inside the bar was punched in the
mouth by a Hispanic male. No further description was given of the male.
Mr. VanOrden had returned to the bar to rettieve his eyeglasses with the
officers. Mr. Blackshaw, the bartender, said that the Hispanic male
approached Mr. VanOrden for no apparent reason and punched him in the
face. Mr. Blackshaw said a group formed around the two men and he was
able to disperse the group preventing any further incident.
Also on Count #4 involved narcotics on the licensed premises. It
involved the arrest of a known drug user who was arrested on the
premises, Veronica DeAngelo, for the possession of narcotics
paraphernalia on the premises.
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Count #5 on May 23, 1997 permitted controlled dangerous substances in
that persons, specifically Ramon Montalvo was arrested on the premises.
He had been observed making a narcotic transaction by an officer
stationed at the scene specifically to monitor narcotics (inaudible) in and
around Five Corners Tavern and around Pershing and Roosevelt Avenues.
They observed Mr. Montalvo and arrested him inside the bar for the
possession of narcotics.
JUNE 26, 1997
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five
Corners Tavern
Can't.
Count #6 May 7, 1997 the police received a call that two individuals who are
known for burglary, known as Donna and Kevin Ward were in the bar selling
tools. Specifically, Craftsman Tools. When Donna Ward was arrested she
was found to be in possession narcotic paraphernalia and C.D.S. With regard
to the tools that had been sold, they were sold to a black male for $20.00 and
he had left the area before the tools were recovered and before he could be
identified.
Count #7 occurred on 12/17/96 they allowed permitted or suffered the sale
of alcoholic beverages to three minors on there licensed premises. Officers on
routine patrol observed a Blue Toyota Celica parked along side Five Corners
Tavern in a posted no parking zone. They approached the person sitting
behind the wheel and asked him to produce his license, registration and
insurance card. He failed to produce a Driver's License. The officer
recognized the individual as Adam Guszaly from a motor vehicle stop prior
to that. The driver of the car stated that his friends were inside the bar using
the bathroom. The Officer went inside and found four individuals who were
being served beer at that time, he asked all four individuals to come outside.
He asked for their I.D.'s and three of them were found to be under the legal
age of twenty-one (21). The bartender, Mr. Vincent Blackshaw, stated that
when the individuals sat at the bar he asked all four of them for I.D.'s and two
individuals, later identified as Mr. Petty and Mr. Galamb produced college
I.D's. The third individual did not have one with him. Mr. Blackshaw
believed the college I.D.'s to be valid. He believed everybody to be oflegal
age. Three of the four people had been served alcoholic beverages. The three
individuals involved were served with summonses at the time for violation of
borough ordinances They were processed here at Carteret Municipal Court.
Count #8 which was on May 10, 1997 the bartender allowed the sale and
consumption of alcoholic beverages on premises. The bartender was
Matthew Rogala. Two individuals both under the age of twenty-one were
inside the licensed premises. They were sitting at a table and there were
several glasses of alcoholic beverages and a pitcher of beer on the table. They
all stated they were twenty-one, but vyhen they produced I.D. they were found
to be under twenty-one years of age. All three persons involved, the under age
drinkers and the bartender, Mr. Rogala, were charged by the Police
Department They were processed here in our municipal court
Count #9 involved the employee Mr. Blackshaw, who sold beer to an
underage individual on June 3rd.
Count # 1 0 between July], 1996 and the date the charge was prepared the bar
was operated in such a manner as to become a nuisance in the borough. The
charge is selling alcoholic beverages to minors.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said in regard to the first couple of charges involving the
sale and distribution of drugs to undercover personnel, those are still pending
in the Middlesex County Grand Jury. He said the names are blacked out on
some of the rcports because these cases are still pending with the County
Prosecutor's Office.
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Councilmember Fazekas asked if those purchases were being made in the bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the narcotics were being purchased inside the bar.
.,.
Councilmember Fazekas asked if the purchases were made in the presence
of employees of the bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he had the opportunity to talk to the undercover
officers who said the purchases were made directly in the bar area.
Mayor Sica asked Det Sgt. Bennett if there was anything else?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the reason he is bringing this up is two years ago
the same situation had occurred and we are looking at charges based on
the same problems. He said the management at the bar is very poor
management.
Attorney Glennon asked Det. Sgt. Bennett if he was involved in the
investigations?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he was not. He said he was involved with two of
the undercover investigations.
Attorney Glennon asked which were they?
Det Sgt. Bennett said the two from January 6th.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was present when those two incidents took
place?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said no. He came in to help process the complaints.
Attorney Glennon asked if Det. Sgt. Bennett helped the prosecutor
process the paperwork, but was not present at the incident?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said no he was not.
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Attorney Glennon said regarding the incident on January 16th in Count 1
and Count 2 allegedly the procurement and distribution ofC.D.S. Are
these the incidents he is referring to when he said he spoke to an
undercover agent in Trenton?
Det. Sgt Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said Det. Sgt. Bennett indicated to the Board that the
personnel involved with this advised him that it took place within the
tavern premises?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney GlemlOn asked him if they told him where within conjunction of
the bar it took place?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said no. He didn't ask them to be specific. He just
wanted to know if it took place inside the bar.
Attorney Glennon asked with respect to Count # 1 indicates that the
"Narcotics Task Force of Middlesex County and other Carteret Police in
the Chrome section of town", he said he was unfamiliar with the
terminology and asked what the "Chrome Section" was?
JUNE 26, 1997
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners
Tavern
Con' t.
JUNE 26, 1997
Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners
Tavern
Con't.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it was an area of the town, so called Chrome after an
old factory that was once there, the Chrome Works.
Attorney Glennon asked if that area is considered by the Carteret Police
Department to be a high crime area.
Del. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked, based on Det. Sgt. Bennett's experience and the
experience of the Police Department, is it known as a high drug area?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes it is.
Attorney Glennon said the report of January 16th, refers to a radio
transmission ITom the Middlesex County Task Force and the drug transaction
took place inside Five Corners Tavern, is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he knew if it was a distribution to an
undercover agent or a buy from an undercover agent?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it was a buy by the undercover agent.
Attorney Glennon asked if thar report specified if it was a sale or a buy?
Det. Sgt. Bennett no, it doesn't specify.
Attorney Glennon asked how he kn()w?
Del. Sgt. Bennett said the incident on that particular day (inaudible)
Attorney Glennon asked if it was a buy from the undercover agent?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said no The undercover agent did the buying.
Attorney Glennon asked ifDet. DeFelice, Carteret Police Department, arrived
at the scene?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said and Det. DeFelice found a black female matching the
description of the woman who participated in this buy outside the bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said Del. DeFelice is sitting right across ITom him and he
should answer those questions.
Attorney Glennon asked Del. De Felice ifhe found this woman outside the
bar/
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Mayor Sica said they have to swear Det. DeFelice in and Attorney Glennon
should question him after he is finished with Det. Sgt. Bennett.
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Attorney Glennon asked if based on the report, did it indicate that
(inaudible) was found (inaudible).
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Mayor Sica said he didn't think they were here tonight to find out the
quantity of drugs being sold. They have to make a determination based
upon the report ifthere is a problem with that bar
Attorney Glennon said if a person has a piece of tin foil that's about the
size of a dime and hands it to another person in a covert manner where a
person in close proximity could see it as opposed to someone bringing in
a five pound brick of marijuana and selling it openly, there is a substantial
difference All he is trying to do is ascertain what the nature of it was and
what the quantity of it was.
Mayor Sica said he didn't think the quantity or quality means anything to
them. The fact is there is a problem that requires the Middlesex County
Narcotics Task Force to come into Carteret and keep this bar under
surveillance because of alleged drug transactions. That in it self could
constitute a nuisance.
Attorney Glennon said this individual, after her arrest, was found to have
outstanding warrants. Is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes
Attorney Glennon asked if that was known prior to her arrest? To his
knowledge?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said to his knowledge he didn't know anything.
Attorney Glennon asked if trns report or anything regarding this particular
incident reflect the fact that the principals of Gilda R. Inc., or Five
Corners Tavern were advised of the existence of this particular incident
in close proximity after the arrest took place?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he didn't know if they were or not. He has no way
of knowing that.
Attorney Glennon said on January 16, 1997, you testified that also
involved the procurement or distribution.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Glennon said regarding that report, does that indicate whether
that transaction wa~ a buy or a sell?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said the report indicated an undercover person bought
drugs because at the time the individual was arrested, they had in their
possession the marked money the county had used to purchase these
drugs. Based solely on that.
Attorney Glennon asked if the individual would have been given marked
money?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the individual would have been given marked
money.
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Attorney Glennon said based upon this report, this does not advise you or tell
you what in fact was sold to the undercover person.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said CDS.
Attorney Glennon said this transaction involved a tall black male wearing a
blue jacket and a knit hat, correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was the description.
Attorney Glennon said pursuant to this report, after this transaction allegedly
took place, this individual left the bar and proceed to Charlie's Pub. Is that
correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said the police officers let him go to the pub to arrest him.
Is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if that was where a major incident took place with
this individual and a police officer.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes, inside the bar at Charlie's Pub.
Attorney Glennon asked if to the Detective's knowledge was any principal of
Gilda R. Inc., t/a Five Corners Inn in close proximity.
Det.Sgt. Bennett said no. His understanding of undercover was they wanted
to go back into the bar and were advised (inaudible)
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe knew where in the tavern premises (inaudible)
Det. Sgt. Bennett said no he didn't.
Attorney Glennon said with respect to Count 3, also an allegation of CDS.
This is the incident where a tractor trailer with out of state registration plates
were involved?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes sir.
Attorney Glennon said this is the incident where he advised the board that one
of these individuals asked if he was served and he said he purchased CDS
inside Five Corners Inn.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he specifically said crack cocaine.
Attorney Glennon said the detective in regard to this drug is solely relying on
the language or statement of the arrestee.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said and his sworn statement made later.
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Attorney Glennon said those were not part of the documents that were
provided, is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
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Attorney Glennon asked if this individual was found outside the tavern
premises?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct. He was in a vehicle that was
stopped and searched.
Attorney Glennon said there was also found another individual in the
sleeping compartment of this tractor-trailer, is that correct?
De!. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said after conversations and discussions between these
two individuals and the police that were involved in this matter, a consent
was given to search the truck, is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said there was a consent to search the truck
Attorney Glennon said based upon that search a marijuana roach was
found, is that correct?
Det. Sg!. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said and two marijuana pipes and a roach clip and a
revolver?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said and a revolver.
Attorney Glennon said a tech DC9 anti..
De!. Sgt. Bennett said that was a classified assault weapon in New Jersey.
Attorney Glennon asked if it was found in the truck?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said in the truck.
Attorney Glennon said and 19 rounds of Remington Full Metal Jackets
and one 32 round magazine and an army knife. And that was also
classified in the report as (inaudible)
Mayor Sica said he thinks they are running far afield. There are no
charges against Five Corners for anything to do with a 9 millimeter gun
or steel jacket bullets or a knife. Just the crack cocaine.
Attorney Glennon said the gun was mentioned by the detective.
Mayor Sica said but not in any reference to the criminal act conducted by
Five Corners. This is just a basic police report. The only part of the
report that the Council is concerned with is there is anything mentioning
Five Corners pertaining to any kind of illegal activity. Nothing pertaining
to a gun or anything like that. We would sit here forever going through
all this. He doesn't mind him asking about the rock cocaine and the point
where the officer is testing that he purchased the rock cocaine in Five
Corners, that they will take into consideration, but the gun has nothing to
do with Five Corners.
Attorney Glennon said with all due respect, he just wanted to have that
clarified that it was not in the tavern.
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Mayor Sica said each member of the Council has a report from Det. Sgt.
Bennett and he thinks they are intelligent enough to know that nowhere in that
report does it implicate Five Corners having anything to do with the
possession of the gun or knife or anything like that.
Attorney Glennon asked about Count 4, April 9, 1997, again this was an
incident involving CDS.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said there were two incidents.
Attorney Glennon asked if that was the one he referred to in Count 4 when he
narrated the allegations.
Det. Sgt Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said the report relating to this particular incident of
Veronica DeAngelo, she was known to the police officers prior to her arrest,
is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said she was walking along Roosevelt Avenue, entering the
bar and the officer believing there was warrants for her radioed headquarters
for a check and determined that there was in fact an active warrant.
Thereafter, he immediately (inaudible) Ms. DeAngelo from the bar (inaudible)
How long was Ms. DeAngelo in the bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said he had no idea.
Attorney Glennon asked if she was placed under arrest as a result of finding
out there was a warrant for her?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if she was removed from the bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if that was when she was searched and found in
possession of a pipe and a certain medicine bottle?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if there was any indication that she ever took
(inaudible) bar?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said no sir.
Attorney Glennon said Count 10 involves an incident assault and the report
indicates a Hispanic male approached Mr. VanOrden, who was just standing
at the bar, and punched him in the nose. Based upon his knowledge does he
consider this, based upon the language of the report, was it a sucker shot?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
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Attorney Glennon asked based on the Detective's knowledge was any
bartender or principal of the bar present at that time have any opportunity
to stop this?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said not knowing who the individual was, he couldn't
say whether the bartender knew this person. Nothing in the report would
indicate that.
Attorney Glennon said Count 5 referred to a Ramon Montalvo. In his
narrative to the board, the detective indicated that this took place in the
bar or on the tavern premises.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it took place right outside the bar. What Mr.
Glennon is looking at a supplementary part of an overall investigation.
The major part of the investigation could not be put forward to this board
because of the Grand Jury and so forth. There were a number of arrests
made that night. Ramon Montalvo was one of several. This one occurred
in and around the area of the bar. He had been going back and forth into
the bar and they stopped him outside. He was specifically charged with
loitering for distribution. The overall investigation is about 45 pages
long.
Mayor Sica said Det. Sgt. Bennett is trying to show that it is becoming an
attractive nuisance, if in fact all these things are true. It's not a detailed
summary of exactly what happened. All we know is that there has been
constant narcotic problems at this particular establishment. All we are
showing is a series of events that leads up to charges being brought here
tonight of it being a nuisance. We are not proving anybody innocent or
guilty here of selling or buying narcotics, but that there is a problem at
that particular establishment.
Attorney Glennon said he was just trying, in regards to this particular
charge, to ascertain whether it occurred inside or outside the tavern's
premises. He thinks that is of great significance.
Mayor Sica said the Detective has testified that this gentleman was inside
and outside the tavern on numerous occasions while they were under
surveillance and at that particular time when they stopped him they found
he had stuff on him. We are not saying it was bought or sold inside the
bar, but we are saying this gentleman went in and out of the bar numerous
times and when he was stopped he had narcotics on him. Not that it was
bought inside the bar. That is not said here.
Attorney Glennon said this is based upon documents that this detective
just referred to that are up in the Grand Jury that he was not privy to and
this report makes no mention of the fact that this individual was ever
inside Five Corners Tavern that evening.
Mayor Sica said it says he was in there.
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Attorney Glennon said it did not. That is the very reason he respectfully
requested time for which to obtain all other additional discovery that is
necessary, so this board will know exactly what happened. Not based
upon a summary report and then finding out by hearsay rrom Detective
Bennett, with all due respect to him, but an investigation that is pending
in the county.
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Mayor Sica said on that particular instance they will take that into
consideration.
Attorney Glennon thanked the Mayor. He asked if this report reflects that
Mr. Montalvo was ever in the tavern premises?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said this part of the report does not reflect that.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was seen on the street by an officer and his
description was radioed to another one. Is that correct?
Det Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Glennon said he was stopped proceeding on Pershing Avenue
toward Lower Roosevelt?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said it says near the Five Corner Bar.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Glennon said he was immediately detained and taken to
headquarters.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was served at headquarters?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Glennon asked if any drugs were found on him?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said just paraphernalia. He apologized and said it just says
about the money. He tried to explain that he can't give him the whole report.
Mayor Sica said he didn't have to explain it. They understand that and they
are not going to lend any credibility to the fact that he didn't go in, we will just
ignore it, so he is just beating a dead horse.
Attorney Glennon said in regard to Count 6 on May 1, 997, this had to do
with certain tools that Donna Ward.....
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it was stolen property.
Attorney Glennon continued and said based on the totality of the investigation
after this particular case and the Officer's investigation and discussion with the
father ofthe two Ward individuals, stolen property was found in their home.
Is that correct?
Det. Sgt Bennett said this was part of the investigation where both of these 40
people come up before the Grand Jury on July 15 and he cannot give him the
rest of the report related to this. This particular aspect of the report has been
downgraded to disorderly.
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Attorney Glennon said this involved the allegation that a Donna Ward
entered the Five Corners Tavern and sold tools to a black male for
$20.00 This report doesn't indicate whether the tools were new or used,
does it?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said no.
Mayor Sica said he didn't have to answer that because it has nothing to do
with it. He said he didn't care if they were 100 years old, if they didn't
belong to Donna Ward and they were stolen and they were being sold was
all he cared about. It doesn't matter whether they are new or old.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe cared if the principals of the tavern premises
knew that this occurred?
Mayor Sica said he didn't say he knew it occurred. This is indicating that
there were stolen tools sold at that place. That indicates to him that there
is a problem with the place. Not whether the owner knew it or not.
Somebody knew enough to go down there and sell tools at this place
because nobody cared.
Attorney Glennon asked who didn't care?
Mayor Sica said obviously the owner didn't care if somebody was selling
tools in their place. Whether they were new or used, old or stolen doesn't
matter. It's a bar not a place to sell tools. It did occur in that bar, with or
without the owner's knowledge means nothing.
Attorney Glennon asked where was this in proximity to the bar?
Det Sgt. Bennett said it was outside about ten blocks away.
Attorney Glennon said in regard to Count 7, December 17, 1997, this
report indicates that two of the four individuals produced college I.D. and
they were subsequently found to be falsified?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said one indicated he had a military I.D.?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said he lost it.
Det Sgt. Bennett said that is what the report said.
Attorney Glennon said with regard to Count 8 that also involves the
allegation of sales to minors. Is that correct?
Det Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
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Attorney Glennon asked if the Detective was testifYing he would be
relying on the report?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
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Attorney Glennon said regard to Count 9 on June 3, 1997 involved the sale
to two minors?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes sir it does. It was a sale of a six pack.
Attorney Glennon said with regard to that report the bartender indicated that
the person who purchased the beer and was found to be in possession of it
was somebody he had proofed before. Is that correct?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that is what he is saying.
Attorney Glennon said this individuals came into the bar, purchased the beer
and exited the rear door when they saw the officers?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes.
Attorney Glennon said outside the bar was when they were stopped and
arrested.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was correct.
Attorney Glennon asked what were they alleging Count 10 involves?
What took place July 1, 1996.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said the acts that he has presented here have created a
situation where the Five Corners Inn is becoming such a nuisance we are
actually assigned special task force personnel and Carteret Police Department
personnel to that area to monitor drug traffic.
Attorney Glennon said this count alleges between July I, 1996 and June 11,
1997.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it is all encompassing charge just to show that during
the license year, the licensed premises were being conducted in such a way as
becoming a nuisance to the Borough of Carteret.
Attorney Glennon asked if that is encompassing the prior nine counts?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said yes, the prior nine counts.
Attorney Glennon said the oldest of the nine counts is Count 7, December 17,
1996. Is it not?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it was the oldest one he came up with.
Attorney Glennon said this particular Count 10 does not involve any
allegations of CDS, does it?
Det. Sgt. Bennett said it involves all the nine counts. Specific, overall,
encompassing (inaudible) It includes the narcotics, the fight, the sale of
alcoholic beverages and the fact that we specifically have to assign personnel
to that area just to monitor the drug activity in and around Five Corner
Tavern and that Pershing Avenue area.
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Attorney Glennon asked if there were any reports specifically relating to
acts of violence other than this one assault incident?
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Det. Sgt. Bennett said that was the only assault incident. The charge is a
generic charge. He just put all the terminology in there to cover any and
all circumstances.
Attorney Glennon thanked Det. Sgt. Bennett.
Mayor Sica asked if there was anything else?
Attorney Glennon said yes and called Mr. Rogala.
The Mayor swore Mr. Rogala in.
Attorney Glennon asked him to state his full name for the record.
Matthew T. Rogala.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was involved with the Five Corners Inn at
74 Pershing Avenue?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked who owns the bar?
Mr. Rogala said his father.
Attorney Glennon asked if his father was present.
Mr. Rogala said he was here.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala ifhe heard the allegations?
Mr. Rogala said he did.
Attorney Glennon asked how often did he work the bar?
Mr. Rogala was inaudible.
Attorney Glennon asked what time did the bar open during the week?
Mr. Rogala said at 10:00 AM. until (inaudible) and on Sundays they close
at 9:00 P.M.
Attorney Glennon asked what about Saturdays?
Mr. Rogala said sometimes they close at midnight.
Attorney Glennon asked what is the usual patronage during the weekday?
Mr. Rogala said 40 to 60 people
Attorney Glennon asked about weekends?
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Mr. Rogala said about the same.
Attorney Glennon asked how big was the bar?
Mr. Rogala said about 15 or 16 stools. There are six or so tables.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala if on January 16, 1997 was he aware or
did he become aware prior to being served or his father being served having
read these allegations of the violations against Five Corners of any controlled
dangerous substance transactions between any individuals. That includes
undercover police.
Mr. Rogala said no.
Attorney Glennon asked him ifhe at anytime from July 1, 1996 to the present
ever see any Controlled Dangerous Substance, or what he knew to be CDS
in the bar.
Mr. Rogala said no.
Attorney Glennon asked if he knew or was he present on May 1, 1997 when
a young lady entered the bar and attempted to sell a box of tools? Does he
recall if he was present on that day?
Mr. Rogala said no. He was positive he would remember if he saw something
like that
Attorney Glennon said if he was present and didn't see it, did he hear about
the tools subsequently?
Mr. Rogala said he hadn't
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he wasn't clear. Was Mr. Rogala in the bar
that day? On May 1 st?
Mr. Rogala said he would have to know what day of the week it was for him
to recall if he was present
Mayor Sica asked if he recalled the tools being sold?
Mr. Rogala said he didn't recall anything being sold.
Borough Attorney Coughlin told Mr. Rogala that May 1st was a Thursday
Mr. Rogala said no, he wasn't there.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe was present as a bartender when minors were
served alcoholic beverages?
Mr. Rogala said yes
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Attorney Glennon said that was Vincent Siano and Jason Boyle.
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked him to relate to the board what took place based
upon his recollection.
Mr. Rogala said a group of four people, two couples, three of him he
knew, one he didn't. The one gentleman that he didn't know he asked for
J.D. and he gave him a New Jersey Driver's License with his photo on it
and his date of birth was 1973. They ordered a couple of pitchers of beer.
He served them and they sat at the table. They were there for an hour or
so. As they were cleaning up, two police officers entered the bar, one
ITom the ITont door and one from the back. They looked around the bar
and the one ITom the front walked to the back and had a conversation.
The officer came back up to the table where they were sitting and asked
one gentleman to walk outside. What they did outside he doesn't know,
but about 20 minutes later the officer came inside and told him the
gentleman was a minor that he served He was asked if he had proofed
him and he said yes. The officer walked away.
Attorney Glennon asked how many were there all together?
Mr. Rogala said there was a group off our. Two couples. Two males and
two females.
Attorney Glennon asked how many he knew?
Mr. Rogala said he knew three out of the four.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he proofed the other one?
Mr. Rogala said he proofed him.
Attorney Glennon asked if he had furnished identification satisfactory to
Mr. Rogala?
Mr. Rogala said yes, a New Jersey State Driver's License.
Attorney Glennon asked if he knew the other three to be over 21 ?
Mr. Rogala said yes, he had carded them a few times before.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he knew where the other individual came
from?
Mr. Rogala said he didn't know where the other individual came from
when the police officer stated there were two minors.
Attorney Glennon asked during the allegations with regards to the Ward
account, does he recall any specific incidents that he was present at the
bar, whether working or just present at the bar?
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Mr. Rogala said he believes there were two counts. One with Ramos and
(inaudible).
Attorney Glennon asked which matter did this involve?
Mr. Rogala said not the Ramos one, but one that happened on that same
day.
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Attorney Glennon said April 9th.
Mr. Rogala said he was working that night when a police officer came in and
this man was sitting at a table right next to the pool table. They came in
looked around, searched that person and left.
Attorney Glennon asked if they took him with them?
Mr. Rogala said he didn't recall, he was waiting on customers.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he knew this individual prior to that time?
Mr. Rogala said he had seen him in the bar.
Attorney Glennon asked if he knew he had possession or possibly had
possession of drug paraphernalia or any drugs, CDS?
Mr. Rogala said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Rogala asked if he was working on
January 16, 1997?
Mr. Rogala said he is usually there on Wednesdays, Fridays, Saturdays. He
pops in on a Tuesday or Thursday.
Det. Sgt. Bennett said January 16th was a Tuesday.
Mr. Rogala said that would have been his partner Mr. Blackshaw.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said so when he testified before that he worked
almost every day, that wasn't accurate, was it?
Mr. Rogala said he opens up in the mornings and goes back sometimes at
night to help his bartender close. He might go in towards the afternoon.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said so he is there most days?
Mr. Rogala said he can't tell him if he was there at that particular incident.
Tuesday is not his day to be there from 6:00 P.M. until closing.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he may have been there?
Mr. Rogala said very possibly. He doesn't recall.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said since he is there most of the time, he gets to
know his patrons very well, doesn't he?
Mr. Rogala said yes. His seven day a weekers.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many of those were there?
Mr. Rogala would say 95% of his business.
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Borough Attorney Coughlin said when somebody comes in that is not a
familiar face they tend to stand out, correct?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked ifhe would probably remember them?
Mr. Rogala said no. He said he would remember them for that day.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked ifhe was in there and he saw someone
that wasn't one of his seven day weekers, he would probably notice them?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was fair to say he would pay more
attention to them then the seven day a weekers because they would stand
out in a crowd?
Mr. Rogala said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they just blend into the woodwork.
Mr. Rogala said he paid more attention to his regular customers.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he would notice if a non-regular
customer was doing something out of the ordinary?
Mr. Rogala said by the pool table yes. If they are sitting talking to other
customers, no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they seemed to be doing something
in a covert manner, would he pay attention to that?
Attorney Glennon asked the Borough Attorney to explain what he means.
By means of a particular action or (inaudible) in a covert manner?
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he thought the question was pretty clear.
I f they were undertaking some action in a covert manner. If they are
sitting in a corner.....
Mr. Rogala said he didn't know what he meant by covert.
Mayor Sica said doing something wrong. Secretly.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if some non-regular was sitting in a
corner talking to some other patrons and they seem to be exchanging
money or objects, would that tend to be something he would pay attention
to?
Mr. Rogala said if there were three of them and they were exchanging
money, yes he would notice that. If someone he hasn't seen comes in and
sits next to someone he sees aU the time and they were talking and he said
this was his nephew, he wouldn't pay attention to that.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he had security in his establishment?
Mr. Rogala said his bartenders and his patrons.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they were identifiable? Do they just
provide security?
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Mr. Rogala said his business is based on 95% of the same people coming in
every day.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he had paid security?
Mr. Rogala said no he didn't. He said he does have customers that take care
of their own.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he recalled working on May 1 st, that
was a Thursday?
Mr. Rogala said he might go in and out.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he knew Donna or Kevin Ward? Are
they regular patrons of the bar?
Mr. Rogala said he believes he knows who they are and no, they are not.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many other bartenders does he have?
Mr. Rogala said he has four. There is one at night, one mid-afternoon and he
and his father share the days.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was fair to say that they get to know
the people that are in there? Do they always work the same day?
Mr. Rogala said usually, yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was fair to say if the general policy of
the management of the tavern is to pay close attention to the regular
customers.
Mr. Rogala said his general policy is to pay close attention to his regular
customers.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how about the other bartenders?
Mr. Rogala said he didn't know.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he had ever communicated that to them?
Mr. Rogala said no he hasn't.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he ever tells them that they need to be
cautious of non-regular customers that come into the bar?
Mr. Rogala said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked howis it that he recalled the one person
that he did I.D at the time there were four patrons that came in, three of
whom he testified that he knew. Did he ask any of them for proof? This was
on May 10th.
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Mr. Rogala said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he recalled pretty specifically that one
had a drivers license and they had a birthday in 1973, how is that?
Mr. Rogala said because the officers came back to him about an hour later
and told him that individual was under age. He had gotten a summons so
he knew he had to be prepared for when he did go to court.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked with regard to any of the other
incidents in which they are charged, did the officers ever come back and
discuss them with you?
Mr. Rogala said beside this one,never.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he had no other questions.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala ifhe had any form of entertainment
in the bar, whether on weekends or weekdays?
Mr. Rogala said no, never.
Attorney Glennon called Mr. Vincent Blackshaw.
Mr. Blackshaw was sworn in by Mayor Sica.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Blackshaw to say his name and address.
Mr. Blackshaw said Vincent Blackshaw, 57 Hickory Street, Carteret.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was employed by Gilda R., Inc t/a Five
Corners, 74 Pershing Avenue, Carteret, New Jersey?
Mr. Blackshaw said he was.
Attorney Glennon asked in what capacity?
Mr. Blackshaw said a bartender.
Attorney Glennon asked how many days a week does he bartend?
Mr. Blackshaw said four.
Attorney Glennon asked what days were they?
Mr. Blackshaw said Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Thursday.
Attorney Glennon asked what his set hours were?
Mr. Blackshaw said Sunday rrom 12 to 6, possibly until 9 P.M.. Monday,
Tuesday and Thursday 6 until 2 AM..
Attorney Glennon directed his attention to December 17, 1996, Count 7
of these charges, that he was a bartender on that date in Five Corners Inn,
which was a Tuesday evening at 11:47 P.M. and that an underage
individual was served alcoholic beverages. Did he recall that incident?
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Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked him to relate to the board his recollection
Mr. Blackshaw said he remembers being busy and three guys and a girl
coming in and sitting at the end of the bar. He checked them for LD. and they
gave him a hard time. The girl gave him an LD. He had to go do something,
and when he got back to them they had college identification.
Attorney Glennon asked if he recalled what college?
Mr. Blackshaw said no. He didn't know he was supposed to specifically know
what college.
Attorney Glennon asked if it was a photo LD.?
Mr. Blackshaw said they had photo LD.'s and they were brand new and he
took it for granted that these kids were in college. Right after that an officer
had come in and he gave him a New Jersey license and asked him if he knew
that person and he had said no. As he was walking out he looked at the three
that were sitting at the bar. Twenty minutes later, he came back and asked
him if he served them and he said he served them one beer and they were
lucky to get one sip before the police came in. The police asked if the four
produced LD. and he told them they did. The police laid LD.'s on the bar and
asked if these were the ID.'s and he told them they were. The officer again
walked outside. He then came back in and asked him to go out side with him,
he asked one of the patrons to watch the bar and he went outside with the
officer. The officer told him they were false LD's. He asked the officer how
was he supposed to know that. They looked like brand new ID's. He said
he didn't know if those I.D.'s were false or not.
Attorney Glennon said Mr. Blackshaw knew the girl.
Mr.Blackshaw said he did know the girl. She showed him a New Jersey
license.
Attorney Glennon asked if she was of age.
Mr. Blackshaw said she was of age.
Attorney Glennon asked if the other three produced college I.D.'s?
Mr. Blackshaw said correct.
Attorney Glennon asked if the ID.'s matched each individual?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes. The officer said they go into Newark and come back
with I.D.'s. The officer told him if they come in with college I.D.'s to make
sure it specifies what college. If it just says "College Identification" it is fake.
That's something he never knew.
Attorney Glennon asked if it would refresh his recollection if he was told the
police report involving this incident reflected that these ID.'s referred to these
individual being from Kean College?
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Mr. Blackshaw said no. He didn't remember telling anyone that it had Kean
College on it. He didn't recall a specific college.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Blackshaw if that was all he knew?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked him how long he had been a bartender employed
by Five Corners?
Mr. Blackshaw said about a year and a half
Attorney Glennon said so he was employed since July, 1995.
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon said there were allegations that controlled dangerous
substances or drugs were either procured or sold within the tavern
premises. Was he present at any time, or did he observe the transaction
of CDS or drugs of any nature or kind between any individuals.
Mr. Blackshaw said he never noticed anything going on.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was ever told by any officer that drug
transactions had taken place within the tavern premises.
Mr. Blackshaw said no. Not specifically. He read the papers and knows
what is going on.
Attorney Glennon asked what did he read in the papers.
Mr. Blackshaw said Chrome is a known area for drugs and it should be
cleaned up. He gives the officers 100% credit. He knows they are trying
to do it. He knows people come into the tavern, but if he sees a face that
he doesn't like, he keeps an eye on thern. He has been in Carteret all his
life, so he kind of knows who's who.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he had ever seen an instance that caused
him to believe a drug transaction was taking place within the tavern
premises when he was there?
Mr. Blackshaw said no.
Attorney Glennon asked if he recalled an incident of a young lady
attempting to sell a box of tools within the tavern premises?
Mr. Blackshaw said he didn't.
Attorney Glennon asked if he recalled an incident where an individual by
the name ofMr. VanOrden was struck by another male individual?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe was working on that evening?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe related the incident to the police.
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Mr. Blackshaw said yes he did.
Attorney Glennon asked where was Mr. Van Orden prior to this incident?
Mr. Blackshaw said he was sitting at the bar drinking. There were about 15
people in the bar. He said all he saw was Butchie (Van Orden).
Attorney Glennon asked if he knew him personally?
Mr. Blackshaw said no, he knew him ITom the bar. He said he saw his glasses
fly off his face and saw a Puerto Rican guy running around. It kind of got
(inaudible) by the people in the bar.
Attorney Glennon asked if he heard any argument between these two
individuals prior to this?
Mr. Blackshaw said no.
Attorney Glennon asked if he observed the punch itself?
Mr. Blackshaw said no, he didn't. He knows he wears glasses and when he
saw his glasses off (inaudible).
Attorney Glennon asked what did Mr. Blackshaw do?
Mr. Blackshaw said he went up to him to make sure he was alright. He stated
that he couldn't find his glasses. He told him to go home and he would look
for his glasses. Ifhe found them he would call him. He never called, but his
son stopped by at closing and had a baseball bat. His son asked him who did
it and he told him he didn't know. He got back in his car and left. Three
minutes later there was talking out ITont and there was an officer out front and
he had two people with him.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe, at any time, heard Mr. VanOrden prior to being
struck say anything, yell anything or argue with anybody?
Mr. Blackshaw said no.
Attorney Glennon asked if at any time while working at Five Corners Inn
observe anything that would cause him to believe that any individual
possessed any drug paraphernalia, such as pipes, roaches or any type of
controlled dangerous substance paraphernalia or controlled dangerous
substance itself?
Mr. Blackshaw said no, he never saw it.
Attorney Glennon thanked him.
Councilmember Gutowski asked what the preferred form of identification?
Mr. Blackshaw said two forms ofI.D.
Councilmember Gutowski asked him ifhe asked for two forms ofLD. from
everyone?
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Councilmember Gutowski said not since these incidents, but prior to these
incidents.
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Councilmember Gutowski said in this particular incident all these
individuals produced college I.D.'s.
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Councilmember Gutowski said according to the police only two had
college I.D.'s. One of them had a military I.D. which stated this person
was born on 12/30/76, which would not make him old enough to drink.
Mr. Blackshaw said he didn't check that at the time.
Councilmember Gutowski asked what form ofI.D. did Mr. Petrosky show
him, ifhe didn't have a college I.D. and he didn't see his military I.D., what
did he show him?
Mr. Blackshaw said the military I.D. was left behind when they were
brought out.
Councilmember Gutowski said he understood that, but he is asking him
what form ofI.D. did they have?
Mr. Blackshaw said the lady had a legit I.D., the two had college I.D's and
the third one had a military I.D.. He was busy that night and he could only
see and do so much.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said with regard to the college I.D.'s could
he describe the I.D. 's that were given to him?
Mr. Blackshaw said they were yellow and had a black print on them
saying college I.D.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they were plastic?
Mr. Blackshaw said they were laminated plastic.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they were like a credit card?
Mr. Blackshaw said no, like a Jersey license.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he could tell him what was written
on there?
Mr. Blackshaw said all he could remember is it said college I.D.. He can't
recall the names and dates, but he can remember it saying college I.D. He
didn't know if it was legit it would say the name of the college.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it appeared to be brand new?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
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Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they were brand new, why would he
assume that they were out of college. The idea of brand new, don't you
usually get an I.D. when you go to college?
Mr. Blackshaw said he didn't know he has never been to college.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said when you go into service, don't you get your
card when you go in?
Mr. Blackshaw said he was never in the service.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he was ever on ajob where he had an
I.D.?
Mr. Blackshaw said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he ever got an I.D. for anything?
Mr. Blackshaw said his New Jersey Drivers License.
Borough Attorney Couhglin asked ifhe got his license when he first became
a driver or when he stopped becoming a driver?
Mr. Blackshaw said when he first became a driver.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he thought that was probably the case
with most forms of identification?
Mr. Blackshaw said sure.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if it was fair to say if it was a brand new
I.D. then most likely they got it when they first started college, rather then
Attorney Glennon said a person can enter college after the military .
Bnrough Attorney Coughlin said the question was only didn't he think they
ger I. D. when you enter, not when you are leaving? He said he assumed that
bus?d on the fact that they presented new I.D.'s that they had left college?
Attorney Glennon said maybe they had just begun college.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said Mr. Blackshaw's experience was that you
get an I.D. when you begin to do something not when you end it. He said he
only asked him why did he make the assumption that he did.
Mr. Blackshaw said nobody said they had brand new I.D's for all he knew
they could have gotten them a week before.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked him ifhe recalled what was on the I D.?
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Mr. Blackshaw said no. The officer said he ripped them up.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Blackshaw ifhe looked at them
and ifhe remembered anything on them?
Mr. Blackshaw said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said just the basic college I.D.
Mr. Blackshaw said something about the dates.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked what dates?
Mr. Blackshaw said when he looked at it he didn't know the birth date
was altered.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he worked Sunday, Monday,
Tuesday and Thursday nights?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if he recalled if he was working on
May 16, 1997?
Mr. Blackshaw asked what day?
Borough Attorney Coughlin said Friday night.
Mr. Blackshaw was inaudible.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said he didn't have any other questions.
Mayor Sica asked if Attorney Glennon had anything else.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Blackshaw if he testified as to these three
individuals producing identification to him? What form of identification
did they produce? Initially?
Mr. Blackshaw said the girl had a New Jersey License and there were
three guys and two of them showed him college I.D. and the third didn't
show him any, he meant to get back to him, buy the cops came and took
him out. He had military I.D.
Attorney Glennon asked if he had checked that one?
Mr. Blackshaw said no. He was going to go back to it when the cops
came m.
Attorney Glennon asked if the two college I.D.'s had a date of birth?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked what the individuals appearance was like?
On their age, based upon his experience?
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Mr. Blackshaw said they looked to be about 22.
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Borough Attorney Coughlin asked ifhe checked every patron that came into
the bar?
Mr. Blackshaw said if he checked them today he wouldn't check them
tomorrow.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if Mr. Failace came in, would he ask him
for LD?
Mr. Blackshaw said he would ask all of the Council for LD.'s. He would ask
for two forms ofLD.. He has had people tell him they are 45 and he tells
them he doesn't care if they are 85, if they don't have LD., they don't get
served
Borough Attorney CougWin said Mr. Blackshaw said the preferred form was
to ask for two forms ofI.D..
Mr. Blackshaw said right.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if on that night, with the people that
offered the college LD., did he ask them for two forms ofLD.?
Mr. Blackshaw said no, because it had a picture on it. If they have a picture
LD., he normally doesn't ask for another one.
Councilmember Failace asked about the guy with the military LD. Mr.
Blackshaw served him a beer then was going to get back to look at it, was
that right?
Mr. Blackshaw said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if the police officer's report reflected that the college
LD.'s that he took rrom this individuals had Kean College on it, would that
rerresh his recollection that those LD.'s that were shown to him had a college
on it?
Borough Attorney Coughlin told Attorney Glennon that he already asked that
question and he said it didn't.
Attorney Glennon said he asked about the officer's report...
Mayor Sica said he thought that was irrelevant because it doesn't matter what
college it was, it proved top be a phoney I.D., it's irrelevant.
Attorney Glennon called Anthony Rogala.
Mr. Rogala was swom in by Mayor Sica.
Attorney Glennon asked him to state his name for the record.
He stated his name and spelled it. Anthony Rogala.
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Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala where did he reside?
Mr. Rogala said Mountainside, New Jersey.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala ifhe was a principal of Gilda R., Inc.
t/a Five Corners Inn?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked in what capacity?
Mr. Rogala said President.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was present when these allegations were
read by Det. Sgt. Bennett?
Mr. Rogala said no.
Attorney Glennon said here, today?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala ifhe worked at the bar anytime?
Mr. Rogala said he worked on Monday from 11 in the morning to 6 P.M.
and Friday rrom 11 AM. to 1 AM. and Saturday rrom 10 AM. to 6 P.M.
Attorney Glennon asked if Mr. Rogala was served with this notice of
violations?
Mr. Rogala said never. He never received a violation of any type.
Attorney Glennon asked if he was served with this particular notice of
violation.
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if Mr. Rogala was present in the tavern on any
of these occasions?
Mr. Rogala said not to his recollection, not unless they were Mondays,
Fridays or Saturdays.
Attorney Glennon said during the particular hours that he worked?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr. Rogala how long did he own the tavern?
Mr. Rogala said five years.
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Attorney Glennon asked during the time that Mr. Rogala was working
over the last year did any of this come to his attention, or anything he
observed or came to his attention thought him to believe that controlled
dangerous substances were being possessed by individuals in the tavern
or distributed or purchased by individuals?
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Mr. Rogala said not at all and he can sniff marijuana 20 feet away. To the best
of his knowledge he has never had any suspicion of any type of any narcotics
being handled, transferred or anything. He has made it clear that he didn't
even want to see two men go into the bathroom together. He gets along with
the crowd and he doesn't stand for any bull and they all know it. He's 'not
saying something couldn't have happened when he wasn't there, but to his
knowledge he has never had any suspicion of any type whatsoever by anyone
in there. He allows people five minutes in the bar, if they are not drinking,
he tells them to leave.
Attorney Glennon asked him if he was aware prior to these charges of a
young lady trying to sell a box of tools for $20?
Mr. Rogala said this is the first time he has ever heard that
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe was aware ofthe incident involving allegations
of serving three minors.
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon said that is what Mr. Blackshaw testified to?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked him ifhe also became aware of the incident involving
his bartender allegedly serving (inaudible)
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked ifhe was aware of any fighting that took place or any
brawls that took place?
Mr. Rogala said there was one time that someone hit someone. He was not
present.
Attorney Glennon asked him to describe to the Council how his bar is run.
Mr. Rogala said his customers are nice, working people.
Attorney Glennon asked if they were mostly regulars?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if there were any individuals that come in that he
doesn't know.
Mr. Rogala said sometimes
Attorney Glennon asked if there was anything he has done with regard to
security?
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Mr. Rogala was inaudible. He said he had a paid bouncer. It isn't the type
of clientele that you need tight security. There are only 30 or 35 at the
maxImum.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr Rogala prior to being served with these
charges approximately ten days ago, was he made aware, by any members
of the Carteret Police Department or the Middlesex County Narcotics
Task Force, that drug transactions were taking place in his tavern?
Mr. Rogala said no This is the one thing they should do. Help them try
to help the police. Let him know something is going on so they can act
and inform them. If we see something suspicious we would call up
because we would be aware of something suspicious going on.
Attorney Glennon asked Mr Rogala if he had one violation prior with
respect to his tavern premises?
Mr Rogala said yes.
Attorney Glennon asked if that was a minor?
Mr. Rogala said yes, serving a minor That was a one day suspension.
The Council was very generous and understanding. He thanked them.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr Rogala if he worked Fridays?
Mr. Rogala said Friday mornings.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked who works Friday night?
Mr. Rogala said his son. He might stop in to see what is going on.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said Mr. Rogala said his policy was not to
permit two men go into the bathroom together.
Mr. Rogala said that was right. Something could transpire. He has a very
eagle eye. He could pick it up and he is not there all the time. Why
would two men go into a bathroom.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Rogala if he prevented two
women rrom going to the bathroom at the same time?
Mr. Rogala said no.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked how many stalls there were in the
bathroom?
Mr. Rogala said one
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked ifthere was a toilet and a urinal?
Mr. Rogala said yes.
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Borough Attorney Coughlin said then it wouldn't be out of place for two
people to go in unless there was some concern that they were going to do
something inappropriate. Is that correct?
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Mr. Rogala said if you don't strike a match, you'll never get a fire going.
Borough Attorney Coughlin said the point is that Mr. Rogala indicated that
he had a policy not to allow two men to go to the bathroom together. He
testified to that. When did he implement that policy?
Mr. Rogala said over a year ago.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked Mr. Rogala how come?
Mr. Rogala said because you get kind of suspicious when you see two men
walk into a bathroom together. One time is okay, but then you see it two or
three times, you think there is something goi ng on.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked what he got suspicious of?
Mr. Rogala said maybe something underhanded is going on.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked like what?
Mr. Rogala said he didn't know. They could be selling to each other. They
could be doing drugs. Anything else
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked if they could be using drugs?
Mr. Rogala said no. They would only be in there for three or four minutes.
Someone would be knocking on the door.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked him if he was concerned that they might
be selling drugs to each other?
Mr. Rogala said he will not allow anything to get started in that sense. It's that
area.
Borough Attorney Coughlin asked what area?
Mr. Rogala said the Chrome area. It's known for it. He said he wants to keep
the garbage out of there. He doesn't want those customers in there. If some
one is doing something underhanded and you make him aware that you are
suspicious of him, he won't be around much. He's going to find another area.
Attorney Glennon said Mr. Rogala made a broad statement about marijuana
and that he would be able to smell it from 20 feet. What if it was in a plastic
bag or aluminum foil?
Mr. Rogala said if a person uses it and passes him he can smell it. He said he
didn't think he could smell it if it was wrapped.
Mayor Sica asked if they had anything else?
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Attorney Glennon said no. He would just like to give a brief summation.
He would respectfully submit that the charges regarding the Controlled
Dangerous Substances were not shown to be reasonably known to the
owner or the bartender working on that particular day or evening. These
are covert transactions. There is nothing that indicates it would be
brought to their attention There is nothing in the report that indicates it
was in close proximity of the bartender or one of the principals that were
present at those the those particular evenings. Even involving an
undercover officer from the Middlesex County Prosecutor's Office, he
respectfully submits this type of transaction is always done in a covert
manner because they don't want other people to know what is going on
because they don't want their intent to become known because they are
furthering their investigation whether it be in the tavern premises or
outside the tavern premises or down the street. We don't want the
identity of this undercover agent to be revealed. So, from a law
enforcement stand point, be a very secretive and covert action. No
reasonable person would be able to know. The owners of the bar are held
to a high degree of responsibility, but they cannot be held (inaudible) and
know all things that all people are doing or all possessions that all people
have upon them when they enter the bar They have no right to search
every individual that goes into the bar It's almost an impossibility of a
problem that they are dealing with in this society or this particular area,
which is acknowledged by DeL Sgt Bennett to be a high crime and
narcotic area. This is part of society's problem. To transfer blame, which
could happen out on the street, on the corner, in a house or in a tavern to
the owner of the tavern to have had knowledge, solely by the fact that
these transactions occurred is placing so heavy an onus upon an owner
that it is impossible for a person to be able to ferret this out or toss out or
not permit in any persons who he thinks may have possession of CDS.
How is a person to know that an outstanding warrant is outstanding for
a particular person who went to the bar. Even the police did not know
until they ran a check on the one girl. With regard to the sale of the tools,
it was a $20 item. Neither the bartender or the owner knew anything
about it. It was not brought to their attention. He understands, based
upon the report that the officers asked them to tell anybody that was
around or in the bar that if anyone purchased the tools to return them.
The report indicates that they were returned to the rightful owner This
does not indicate that it was known to the bartender or the principal when
the transaction took place. That is the pertinent time when they have to
consider this. When the property that was allegedly stolen was
transferred, not subsequent thereto. With regard to the minors being
served he wil1leave the determination based upon the testimony of Officer
Bennett according to the reports and the testimony of Mr. Rogala as to his
incident and Mr Blackshaw as to his incident. With regard to any other
incident, Count 9, where Mr. Blackshaw had proofed this one individual
on a prior occasion, relied upon that and sold him a six pack of beer and
then these individuals were apprehended out side the premises for
something other than beer. He respectfully submits that Mr. Rogala is not
trying to ignore his responsibilities He recognizes that the municipality
has problems with certain taverns. There appears to be certain problems
with regards to certain areas of town that nobody has control over. It's
recognized and acknowledged by the Police Department that this is a high
crime and high narcotic area. Solely by reason of that fact, Mr. Rogala
cannot be held responsible for being all knowing. He thanked the Council.
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RESOLUTION #97-211
Closed Session
Adjourned Into
Closed Session
t1eeting Opened
Determination -
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Counts of
Guil ty
RESOLUTION #97-217
Approving Renewal
of ABC License
Five Corners Inn
Hearing Opened
Hearing Closed
RESOLUTION #97-211 was introduced by the Mayor and referred to the
Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and DuPont
RESOLUTION #97-211
"RESOLUTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION"
was adopted. Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk,
DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
At approximately 11 :50 P.M., the meeting was adjourned into Closed
Session..
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present, the meeting was opened at
approximately 11:53 P.M.
Mayor Sica said they are going to find Gilda R., Inc. t/a Five Corners Inn
guilty of the three charges of serving minors and impose a 30 day suspension
on each of the charges for a total of90 days. That's based upon the testimony
given by the bartenders and the police officer. We are going to impose a three
month suspension for operating a nuisance in the Borough of Carteret
Suspension is to take effect 8:00 A.M. tomorrow morning and last for six
months.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace, Gilda R., Inc. tla
Five Corners was found guilty on three counts of serving minors with a 30 day
suspension for each incident and a six month suspension for being a nuisance
Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers Bialowarczuk, DuPont,
Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted in the affirmative. .
RESOLUTION #97-217 was introduced by the Mayor and was referred to
the Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace and unanimous
affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor declared the hearing
opened:
There being no comments or objections to the resolution, the Mayor declared
the hearing closed upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas
and unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present.
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Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas
RESOLUTION #97-217
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF ALCOHOLIC
BEVERAGE CONTROL LICENSE NO, 1201-33-026-003
FOR THE 1997-1998 LICENSE TERM WITH SPECIAL
CONDITION(S)"
was adopted with special conditions. Upon individual roll call vote,
Councilmembers Bialowarczuk, DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and
Gutowski voted in the affirmative.
RESOLUTION #97-218 was introduced by the Mayor and was referred
to the Council for action.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas and
unanimous affirmative vote of the full Council present, the Mayor
declared the public hearing to be open
There being no comments or objections, upon MMS&C, by
Councilmembers Gutowski and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote
of the full Council, the hearing was closed.
Upon MMS&C, by Councilmembers Gutowski and Failace
RESOLUTION #99-218
"RESOLUTION APPROVING THE RENEWAL OF VARIOUS
ADDITIONAL AB.C LICENSES FOR THE 1997-1998
LICENSE TERM"
was adopted Upon individual roll call vote, Councilmembers
Bialowarczuk, DuPont, Failace, Fazekas, Feingold and Gutowski voted
in the affirmative
There being no further business or comments, upon MMS&C, by
Councilmembers Failace and Fazekas and unanimous affirmative vote of
the full Council present, the meeting was adjourned at approximately
11 :55 P.M.
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Respectfully submitted,
J
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KATHLEEN M. B ;-v
Municipal Clerk
KMB/sj
JUNE 26, 1997
RESOLUTION #97-217
Continued
Adopted
RESOLUTION #99-218
Renewal of ABC
License 1997-1998
Relax Diner, Farah-
Haddad Liquors and
Catholic War Vets
Hearing Opened
Hearing Closed
Adopted
ADJOURNED
JUNE 26, 1997
SPECIAL tlEErING
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