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Regular Meeting
October 19, 2022
The Rail Committee of the City of Palo Alto met on this date in the
Community Meeting Room and by virtual teleconference at 1:00 p.m.
Present In Person: Kou (Chair), Burt
Present Remotely: Cormack
Absent: None
Oral Communications
Public Comment:
1. Leila Modarres, 101 Alma Street, stated Caltrain noise has been
bothering the residents for several years and she has had to leave
home several times because of the noise. She was grateful for the
effort to reevaluate this and help create a more peaceful environment
for the residents.
2. Adrian Brandt urged Caltrain and the Committee to pursue a prefab
shoofly on the El Camino side of the existing San Francisquito Bridge
structure. Shutting down service across that bridged area and
shuttling people on buses for up to 2 years would be a disaster. Other
grade separations have been constructed with single-track shooflies,
and it is feasible to run the train schedule through a single track
section during the construction period. He also supported the quiet
zone.
3. Sheree Roth, also of 101 Alma Street, was very grateful the quiet zone
was being considered because the train horn often wakes her at night.
Action Items
1. Verbal Update on Interagency Activities
A. Caltrain – No update provided
B. VTA – No update provided
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C. City Staff
ACTION: No action taken
Ripon Bhatia, Senior Engineer, discussed the grant applications submitted by
the Office of Transportation for the grade separation project as part of the
Multimodal Project Discretionary Grant for INFRA and Mega programs. The
project was not selected for grant funding through the INFRA program, but
staff is waiting to hear about the Mega grant and applying for more grants.
With regard to the San Francisquito Creek Bridge project, staff followed up
with Caltrain to reiterate that the City would like Caltrain to explore rehab
and strengthening of the bridge and look into the benefit-cost analysis.
There were discussions with Caltrain on their corridor grade separation
study, which is in the beginning stages. Staff will keep involved. On the
quiet zone study, staff has been working with Menlo Park and the consultant
they have hired to evaluate the quiet zone and conduct analysis for Palo Alto
Avenue. The consultant is in the data collection process and has performed
preliminary analysis. The next step is to have a joint diagnostic meeting
with CPUC and JPP, planned for November.
Chair Kou asked for more information about the VTA ad hoc committee.
Mr. Bhatia stated VTA has formed a new ad hoc committee for grade
separation evaluation as part of the Measure B funding allocations, with
members from Sunnyvale, Mountain View, and Palo Alto. Mayor Burt is
representing Palo Alto in that committee, and the first meeting is on Friday.
Mayor Burt provided context for the ad hoc committee that San Jose Vice Mayor Chappie Jones, Chair of VTA, had interest from the 3 different cities in
looking at collaboration and understanding the roles of VTA and Caltrain on
the grade separations. Chair Jones decided the best approach was to create
an ad hoc to have dialogue and sharing of information on an ongoing basis
to see what common interests the cities should be collaborating on. Mayor
Burt asked if there was an update from VTA on funding for Measure B funds
for grade separation.
Mr. Bhatia stated VTA will be allocating funds for the additional studies
currently being performed as part of the refinement of the plans. He stated
it was $710,000 from VTA and a total of $800,000 to be spent, including
10% match from the cities required for Measure B. This is for the 3 major
activities: refinement of the conceptual plans for Churchill Avenue and
underpass alternatives at both Meadow and Charleston Avenue. In addition,
staff is considering preliminary geotechnical studies as well as cost estimate
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revisions for trench alternatives. There are also some contingency funds
available in that.
Public Comment:
1. Nadia Naik asked if there was an update on Measure A 2000 money for
the update of the Palo Alto Intermodal Transit Center.
Mr. Bhatia responded that the allocation previously from Measure A
funds for the PAITC project is being explored.
Philip Kamhi, Planning and Transportation Director, stated the VTA
board had already prioritized projects for the use of that funding and
this project was not selected as one of those.
Chair Kou asked if the Measure A 2000 money is allocated for Palo Alto
for the multimodal.
Mayor Burt stated it is still within the Measure A guidelines but the
dollars have all been assigned to other projects.
2. Shree Sandilya, Junior at Gunn High School and President of the Gunn
Bike Club, had worked with Mr. Arnout to put out a survey regarding
grade separation, with 167 responses from the community; 78% of
respondents bike to school. The detour at Matadero Creek in light of
the grade separation would cause a significantly longer time to get to
school for 69% of students and 91% of parents responding. Trench
was the preferred option for 61% of parents and 44% of students.
More people would be prompted to drive to school when this
construction is taking place. He suggested that sticking to either
Meadow or Charleston would be beneficial to keep kids from having to
take such a large detour. He asked the Committee to prioritize the
road safety of the students walking and riding to school over the cars because so many kids bike to school.
2. Study Session to review comments received from various stakeholders
to refine conceptual plans for Partial Underpass Alternative at Churchill
Avenue and Underpass Alternatives at Meadow Drive and Charleston
Road.
ACTION: This item was continued to the November 18, 2022, special meeting
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Philip Kamhi, Planning and Transportation Director, stated this study session
is following on the City Council direction for staff to refine the underpass
alternatives and to engage with key stakeholders. This item was to review
the feedback from the stakeholders in order to refine the underpass
alternative conceptual plans and review the existing right-of-way
constraints, with some initial recommendations.
Peter DeStefano, AECOM Consultant, reviewed comments from stakeholders.
Some expressed concern about the high volume of bicyclists during peak
times. With a few exceptions, the width of the ped-bike ramps was set at 10
feet. Staff recommends an increase to 12 feet based on comments received.
This will potentially result in additional impacts to utilities and right-of-way
and slightly increase the overall cost. He showed a cross-section of the
crossing at Kellogg. The proposed increase will reduce the lane width on
each side of the street from 11.5 to 10.5 feet. An additional increase would
result in potential loss of the landscape strip and the planting on each side of
the street.
Mayor Burt asked if there would be parking on the streets in the 10.5-foot
model and if 10.5 feet was a comfortable width for a residential street
without high volume.
Mr. DeStefano stated there would be loss of parking and recommended no
narrower than 10 feet.
Mayor Burt asked where the bike flow is coming from using the Kellogg
location versus Seale and whether an analysis of that had been done.
Mr. Kamhi stated the discussion between Kellogg and Seale is to be
evaluated in the Bicycle and Pedestrian Transportation Plan. The Safe
Routes to School team will be very involved in that input.
Mayor Burt stated a survey of Paly bike riders and origins like the one the
Gunn students provided would give an indication of who is riding from
where, the present volume of riders from North of Churchill who take that
route, and also if that would change with these considered improvements.
He suggested that as a way to gather meaningful data and then modeling
the bicycle flow there. He stated there were not many high school students
living between Churchill and Embarcadero and wondered about the pool of
riders that would use this particular location over another location.
Mr. Kamhi believed the Safe Routes team had gotten dot maps showing
where students are coming from. He stated the Paly catchment area
extends to Colorado, which might point to Seale making more sense for Paly
High School students.
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Mayor Burt encouraged obtaining those maps from PAUSD as Kellogg may
not be the right alternative, rather than spending money and time on
evaluating it.
Council Member Cormack questioned the downsides of moving to 12 feet
from 10.
Mr. DeStefano stated there were not a lot of downsides. It is a slightly
narrower lane. Some driveways may need to be widened. There may be
additional impacts to utilities. There will be a slightly higher cost. There is a
lot of feedback that 10 is not wide enough.
Council Member Cormack was comfortable with this modification.
Mr. Kamhi stated the discussion about the width would apply to Seale or
Kellogg because they are similar dimensions.
Chair Kou asked if trucks were taken into consideration when looking at the
widths of the lanes.
Mr. DeStefano stated vehicles tend to shy away from the barrier on one side
and the curb on the other, so keeping it comfortable to drive on is
important.
Ripon Bhatia, Senior Engineer, stated this is going to be on the narrower
side. Having no parking on both sides helps, but a 10-foot lane is a typical
construction lane in residential neighborhoods.
Mayor Burt stated another issue with having a barrier on either side is
related to the proliferation of delivery vehicles that typically park in the
street. He wanted to make sure that growing issue was considered.
Nadia Naik, Community Organizer, stated one thing about Seale that is not
the same as Kellogg is that at the corner of Seale and Alma there are
properties that are not R1 properties. They are RM30, so if there was a property impact, those could be reconfigured differently. Seale tends to
have a lot more parked cars on the street because of those RM30 properties.
Chair Kou questioned the outreach to the community on the 2 streets about
the parking.
Mr. Bhatia stated that outreach for the merits of Kellogg versus Seale would
be considered as part of the Bike and Pedestrian Transportation Plan update.
Mr. DeStefano showed a plan view at Kellogg. The ped-bike ramps were
previously based on 8% grades of the ramp with 5-foot landings every 35
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feet. Some of the stakeholders believed this was too steep. A 5% grade
would increase the length, in this case by 80 feet. The drawbacks to the 5%
grade were more excavation, increasing the footprint of the project,
potential impacts to right-of-way, utilities, etc.
Mayor Burt stated 8% is considerably better than the 12% at California
Avenue.
Council Member Cormack stated it is not just about bikes but also
wheelchairs, walkers, etc. She asked what is standard in other places in
California that are bicycle friendly.
Mr. DeStefano stated where constraints are tight, 8% is fine, but if there is
more space, 5% is preferable. There was discussion about the length of the
ramp, which is about half the block.
Council Member Cormack was comfortable with 8% and the landings.
Mr. DeStefano stated this was just a decision on what to move forward with
in the planning phase, not what would ultimately be constructed.
Mr. Kamhi added that it was for the refinement of the conceptual
alternatives, whether to see what a 5% grade and its impacts look like or to
leave it at the originally designed 8%.
Mayor Burt was not sure that 5% was necessary. Compared to 12% at
California Avenue, 8% is reasonable, not exceptionally steep. He again
questioned the work and expense of refining a Kellogg alternative rather
than determining whether Kellogg is a viable location and then deciding
whether to spend the funds.
Mr. Kamhi stated this same refinement would be relevant to Seale and have
similar impacts. There was discussion about similar impacts, including
property impacts, at the ramps at Meadow and Charleston.
Ms. Naik stated 5% is for little kids having to get themselves over the area.
The Seale location would allow access to Peers Park, which would be a huge
benefit for Old Palo Alto but means a lot more families, strollers, and little
kids. It may not be what the Kellogg path would be used for. She felt this
was a great example of how a small percent change in grade makes a big
difference in the length. She stated the Commission will have to pull back
and think about whether the idea is to make it as economical as possible or
to think about the end users because there will be tradeoffs.
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Chair Kou agreed that it was important to ensure these routes are easy and
safe for children to access. She felt it was too early to decide on changing
the slope.
Mr. Kamhi added adults with bike trailers carrying kids should be a
consideration. He noted this was a requested refinement and could be done
now under the conceptual design or may continue to be considered while
going through the process.
Mayor Burt supported staying with 8% currently but not ruling out 5% and
then looking at both if Kellogg emerges as a preferred alternative location.
Council Member Cormack agreed that 5% should not be ruled out but might
not be necessary currently.
Mayor Burt asked where a 12-foot ramp would fit on the west side of the
tracks perpendicular to the underpass, in addition to the current bike path
behind Paly, and stated this ramp intruding additionally on the Caltrain
corridor beyond the existing path was a big deal.
Mr. DeStefano stated there was a comment from a stakeholder about
reconfiguring the ramps west of the tracks between Churchill and Kellogg.
The area of concern is where the Kellogg Avenue Tunnel daylights with a
potential conflict between bicyclists coming off the ramp and those traveling
in the opposite direction toward Embarcadero. There was a suggestion to
reconfigure this layout by sliding the ramp over closer to the bleachers at
the high school and having a unidirectional path on each side at grade to
minimize the conflict. This is a safer configuration with the drawback that it
will push everything farther west and impact the school's property.
Council Member Cormack believed this made sense and that it was
reasonable to ask the school district to help out with the space for it.
Ms. Naik pointed out that the elementary and middle school children from
the Southgate neighborhood have to use those ramps to cross the tracks to
go to the east side to Walter Hayes and Green Middle School, whether it is at
Kellogg or Seale, and that the age of riders needs to be considered regarding
directional traffic.
Mayor Burt stated that sheds light on the previous discussion on 8% versus
5%, with a group of school-age children that move that direction. The land
on this end of the Paly field is not utilized today, whereas the other end of
the field might be more problematic.
Chair Kou asked how this would affect Palo Alto High School's right of way.
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Mr. Kamhi stated it does not overlap the bleachers on the track completely
but would push up against the bleachers or potentially require the bleachers
be relocated or adjusted.
Mr. DeStefano stated many stakeholders expressed concern about the 2-way
ped-bike path on one side of the road at Meadow and Charleston. The
westbound-traveling pedestrians and bicyclists on Meadow have to cross the
street at Emerson and continue underneath Alma and the tracks to Second
Street where they have to cross again to get onto the other side of the
street. To make these maneuvers safer, looking into mitigation measures,
such as flashing beacons or a HAWK (High-Intensity Activated Crosswalk)
signal, is recommended.
Council Member Cormack felt new alternatives that provide ped-bike on each
side of the street should be studied.
Mayor Burt stated there is not currently a high volume of bike travel along
the east side of Alma but the wide parking strip lends itself to an off-road
bike path in the future. He stated there is an exceptionally wide buffer
between back fences and Alma in this area with very few curb cuts to San
Antonio, so it is one of the few locations in the city to put an off-road path
going forward.
Ms. Naik stated these drawings were intended mostly to show property
impacts and are not great for showing the way bikes are moving. She
stated she has been asked why they look at property impacts to figure out
the best way for cars to move but not for bicycle and pedestrian things. She
questioned if this is the way to look at things.
Mr. Bhatia stated these widths would be increased to 12 feet where feasible
to help the continuity of the bike lanes in the future.
Chair Kou appreciated all the mitigations and ways of getting bike-peds into
a very narrow road. With the number of different ages and abilities to use
these pathways, she wanted to make sure it was straightforward with no
confusion in crossing. She felt there was potential confusion as well as
traffic backups at the Emerson and Second Street crossings. Regarding
flashing beacons, she felt it was very difficult to see the flashing of the one
at Clemo and Arastradero.
Mr. DeStefano stated there were many comments from different
stakeholders related to the 90-degree turns on the ramps and how this
impacts line of sight and maneuverability of bikes. The Kellogg Tunnel on
the west side of the tracks near the high school allows for a 10-foot turning
radius for bikes, very similar to the Homer Avenue Tunnel, with bikes
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coming down parallel to the tracks and making a 90-degree right turn into
the tunnel. Staff recommended a slight modification to flare out the ends of
the tunnel to improve the line of sight. This would also allow for a slight
increase of the turning radius to allow for better maneuverability of all types
of bicycles, including cargo and tandem bikes or bikes with trailers.
Mayor Burt appreciated the effort to improve line of sight and suggested that
mirrors might be advantageous in these hazardous locations.
Mr. DeStefano stated there were comments from a couple of stakeholders
about creating a dead end at Kellogg at Alma to reduce the traffic on Kellogg
to make it safer for bikes entering and exiting the end of the ramp.
However, accommodation would need to be made for a U-turn movement at
the west end of the street near Alma for an emergency vehicle or garbage
truck. The radius needed is substantial and would require the acquisition of
at least one property on each side of the street. Staff recommended
keeping the configuration as is and not introducing a dead end.
Chair Kou felt the recommendation made sense.
Mr. Bhatia stated there were several requests to show the connectivity of
nearby facilities, including libraries, JLS, Cubberley, Gunn High School, and
major facilities within the city as part of the grade separation project. That
is beyond the limits of the grade separation project, but staff recommended
that be considered as part of the Bike and Pedestrian Transportation Plan.
Whatever is proposed as part of that plan would be maintained throughout
the grade separation project.
Ms. Naik stated the Comprehensive Plan has a concept to do a formal bike-
ped circulation study related to grade separations and asked if this is
expected to be included as part of the new BPTP.
Mr. Bhatia stated network-level connectivity and network-level bike and ped
movements as traffic circulation will be part of the Bike and Pedestrian
Transportation Plan, and from there, the elements could be implemented as
part of different projects. There were several comments associated with
how the construction would accommodate bike and pedestrians in different
phases. The intent is to make sure there are provisions in the construction
to accommodate bike and pedestrian crossing at least at one crossing
between Meadow and Charleston in South Palo Alto. As part of City Council
direction, staff has to study new bike-ped crossings in South Palo Alto as
part of the BPTP update and understands this Committee also has interest in
advancing those projects in advance of grade separation projects.
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Mayor Burt believed the community remained largely focused on the
outcomes after construction and that community understanding of the
severity of construction impact needed to be elevated. It would help inform
decisions to weigh the options that have the least construction impacts.
Council Member Cormack asked when this will begin and how long it will
take.
Ozzy Acre, Planner, stated the RFP is out for consultants to submit
proposals, due the middle of November. Interviews will be in early
December, and the consultant will onboard early next year to start the
project in early 2023. It was scoped for an 18- to 24-month process.
Council Member Cormack stated deciding on how to make these decisions is
important, ranking construction duration and impact versus cost or ease of
travel. There needs to be a decision on whether this is being designed for
cars and making it work for bicycles or so that every single mode gets equal
improvements or reduces impacts.
Ms. Naik stated that at the last meeting when Caltrain was present, they
said construction methods should be considered as part of design. She
wanted to revisit the idea of the jacked box and how that might
fundamentally change the length of time this takes. This is the only
alternative in which there is not an impact to 4 tracks. To do the viaduct,
hybrid, or trench requires 2 more tracks. With the underpass, the train is
not being moved. She stated the whole point is to make life better when it
is over and this is the only alternative that does not cause worse traffic
studies. The bike-ped interfacing with the cars is hard and will take a long
time to work out, but this is one of the alternatives with the least impacts.
Mr. Kamhi stated Caltrain staff would come present on jack boxing and construction techniques.
Millette Litzinger, AECOM Consultant, discussed the Meadow and Charleston
underpass alternatives to consider a bike path on each side of the roadway
rather than on only one side. Paths on both sides of the roadway would
eliminate the need to cross the street multiple times as well as the need for
the flashing beacons. There are some turning movements that would not be
possible at the intersection of Alma due to the elevated sidewalks. Staff
requested direction from Rail Committee on whether a new alternative
should be developed with this configuration.
Council Member Cormack stated it was going to be necessary to separate
people walking and people on wheeled things so there are not 4 sets of
issues in one place. She stated this was an example of finding things that
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need to be refined while working through things. She supported looking at
an alternative that allowed people on bikes and walking to be on both sides
of the street.
Ms. Naik asked what turning movements would not be possible.
Mr. DeStefano described that the right turn movement from Meadow onto
Northbound or Southbound Alma would not be allowed.
Ms. Naik stated the traffic movement was important there and served that
entire neighborhood. That would limit significant turn movements at
significant intersections.
Mr. DeStefano stated it would not look the same from a traffic standpoint
but it was possible to look into accommodating those movements,
potentially with a roundabout similar to Charleston, but that would require
additional property acquisitions. He added that this idea is more suitable at
Charleston because a key element of the design at Meadow is to have
connectivity with Alma. On Charleston, there is only one direct connection
to Alma.
Ms. Naik stated that is the most significant traffic movement and carries
almost all the evening commute traffic. To study this alternative, it needs to
be considered if it is going to significantly worsen traffic.
Mr. DeStefano stated making a right on Charleston in this situation would
require entering the roundabout and making a U-turn. It would probably
require an additional lane.
Ms. Litzinger stated that this is an opportunity to prioritize bike-peds as well
as vehicles.
Ms. Naik stated the entire design as it was originally proposed was wholly
based on the commute movements and blocking that movement would fail traffic. She stated limiting turning movements at either Meadow or
Charleston was a nonstarter.
Mr. Kamhi stated the original concept had the bike-ped path on one side for
the accommodation of the vehicular traffic.
Mayor Burt stated there are 2 points of reference. One is the ideal bike and
ped flow, bidirectional movements on each side of Charleston, and the other
is the current unidirectional on each side of the road interrupted by a signal
and a train crossing. He felt it would be helpful to compare how much better
the original concept is than the current and how much less ideal than having
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bidirectional on both sides. The most quantifiable metric is the time of travel
trying to go each direction by bike and then qualitatively the level of
convenience. He asked whether staff had looked at other dedicated
crossings south of Charleston for bike and ped.
Mr. Bhatia believed there was a Council direction to look at South Palo Alto,
including Adobe, for the BPTP.
Mayor Burt suggested coupling this issue with a long-term dedicated bike
and ped crossing somewhere in the vicinity of Adobe. The people who live
south of Charleston and east of Alma are struggling with this maneuver, and
this should in the long-term plan when trying to open up the connectedness
on the 2 sides of the tracks, particularly in South Palo Alto.
Council Member Cormack appreciated the comments about traffic but felt
this was worth spending time on. She suggested doing this at only one
crossing rather than both.
Mayor Burt stated the proposed 180-degree turn on the north side of
Charleston is very similar to the one at Embarcadero westbound under the
underpass. He stated that it is a viable approach and not very inconvenient.
Ms. Naik pointed out, regarding figuring out the discomfort for the bikes,
that in the hybrid and viaduct, there is essentially a wait every time at Alma
for the light. Even though it removes the train situation, the light impact is
significant and bike and ped interruption impedes road traffic, which is why
those intersections still fail in future traffic studies.
Chair Kou would like to see the bike and ped on both sides but recognized
that East Meadow is not the same width as Charleston. She felt that with
the money and work going into these intersections, the flow should improve.
Ms. Litzinger stated there was consideration for a ped-bike undercrossing at Seale as was suggested by the stakeholders. Kellogg is closer to Churchill
and Paly High School, but Seale is across from Peers Park, which offers more
flexibility for access ramps on the west side. Council has already provided
direction that the merits of this undercrossing should be studied, and that
will be done as part of the BPTP.
Mayor Burt stated that federal and state legislators, VTA, and Caltrain have
noted the circumstance of unprecedented availability of funding for active
transportation measures that will not be around forever. Waiting for the
whole process before deciding whether to pursue a bike and ped crossing
like this one and in the vicinity of Loma Verde could mean losing out on a
critical opportunity. The issue is how to pursue preliminary designs before
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the whole Bike and Ped Plan is designed and moved through Council
approval. He stated there is a good chance that bike and ped crossings
need to be built before shutting down vehicular ones for construction. He
wanted to do what was needed to move forward more quickly on these bike
and ped crossings. He questioned why the same detail on Kellogg was not
available for Seale as XCAP had recommended Seale and he was at a loss to
find the merits for Kellogg over Seale. He felt Seale should be able to be
moved ahead of the Bike and Ped Master Plan since it is already in the
existing one.
Mr. Kamhi stated that it was not necessary to wait for the Bike and Ped
Master Plan to complete in order to have information about whether Kellogg
or Seale would be a better choice. A lot of the information shared today
related to Kellogg was applicable to Seale also, with similar widths. There is
more flexibility on the other side at Peers Park, and there are merits to
Seale.
Ms. Naik stated Seale is the only street that goes all the way from Alma past
Newell. It is a major thoroughfare and one of the things identified in the
previous bike plan as being upgraded to a higher class of bike boulevard.
Mayor Burt added that Kellogg goes 3 blocks and runs into Embarcadero.
Chair Kou stated Seale is something worth looking at, and if Seale can be
studied ahead of time, she felt East Meadow and Charleston might warrant
the same.
Council Member Cormack stated that the bike improvements were never
made on Loma Verde. The Council removed it from the plan, which indicates
why this has to be done in conjunction with the plan. She understood that
might mean missing out on federal funds, but they are not guaranteed. She stated this needs to be done correctly and have it integrated with the plan,
even though it is difficult to wait.
Mr. Kamhi stated the Seale-Kellogg discussion can be addressed early on in
BPTP with community engagement happening at the very beginning. He
stated the elevated level of federal funding will be available for another 5
years and did not anticipate missing out on opportunities to apply. He
mentioned that for the first round of funding, 17 times the amount of
funding requests were received than was available and only one project in
California got awarded. It is worth the time applying but also not a
guarantee.
Ms. Naik stated the map is deceiving when looking at Seale versus Kellogg
because it only looks at the distance from the intersection to Churchill.
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Turning the image 90 degrees shows that Embarcadero runs at an angle and
creates a triangle, so the dot maps would be helpful.
Mayor Burt stated XCAP had recommended Seale and stated Loma Verde
was not removed from the Bike and Ped Master Plan but lumped into the
NVCAP process.
Ms. Naik stated XCAP voted on a majority to close Churchill but said a
crossing at Seale or Kellogg should be looked into. Those that voted in the
minority, herself included, said if the plan was for a partial underpass, which
is what the Council has since decided, Seale should definitely be looked at.
There was some discussion on Loma Verde and its inclusion in NVCAP.
Mayor Burt clarified that in addition to the unprecedented state and federal
dollars for grade separations, he understood there were additional funds for
active transportation crossings like this. VTA, Caltrain, and Senator Becker's
staff all suggested aggressively pursuing those other sources when looking
at segregated bike and ped crossings. While the federal infrastructure
dollars are over a 5-year period, he believed the state ones were not
necessarily on the same time frame.
Ms. Litzinger stated staff recommended the standard 12-foot lanes be
reduced to 11-foot lanes but the shoulders to remain 8 feet. The shoulder
width provides spaces for bicyclists, disabled vehicles, drainage inlets, signs,
and turning movements for emergency vehicles.
Mr. Bhatia stated there were several comments from PABAC community as
well as the community design engineers to narrow the footprint to help
reduce the cost as well.
Ms. Litzinger described stakeholder feedback about modifying the traffic
lanes, for instance reducing the lanes for the Churchill partial underpass such that 2 northbound lanes from Alma Street and 2 eastbound lanes at
Churchill would be left out. Staff recommended the lane configurations
remain as proposed, consistent with traffic study recommendations.
Mr. Bhatia stated the thought from the design engineers was that reducing
the number of lanes would reduce the bridge span and thickness, but the
elimination of the right turn lane could back up traffic on Churchill Avenue.
Mayor Burt questioned the width of the shoulder on Churchill and whether
the underpass needed to be so wide. There was discussion on whether it
was possible to narrow the shoulder width. Mayor Burt suggested making
an objective not to have the underpass wider than is necessary for cost and
land-taking reasons and trying to minimize the shoulder and median.
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Mr. Bhatia stated this will be looked at once more detailed design of the
bridge and the structural loading is done.
Mr. Kamhi stated that would be taken into the next phase of design for this
project. He stated there was a comment from PAUSD to make certain their
buses can make these turning movements safely.
Mr. DeStefano stated it is also the left turn movement for a bus or fire truck.
Ms. Naik suggested removing the center support, as in the Rengstorff Bridge
with trusses along the top, to give clearance for buses to make turns. The
right turn go all the time currently serves an important function because of
the train but also because it is a 3-way light, which is a barely used
movement and an anomaly in the traffic study. By leaving this right turn
lane, there will still be people sneaking up on the right side to try to keep
going right all the time. There is a safety question about allowing those
right turn movements in a place with impeded sightline.
Mayor Burt believed the Rengstorff was a design without a center support
and a longer span than this would be, which has been preliminarily approved
by Caltrain.
Ms. Litzinger stated there was a lot back and forth to get Caltrain to agree to
that, and it is not a rubber stamp everywhere. There was more discussion
about this.
Mr. Kamhi stated Caltrain is hoping to come to the next meeting to discuss a
service agreement and look at the current alternatives.
Chair Kou suggested taking public comment and carrying this over to the
next meeting.
Public Comments
1. Richard Swent (In Person), on behalf of PABAC Rail Grade Crossing Subcommittee, stated simplicity benefits safety. He believed the
underpass designs were very complicated, making them difficult to
design safely.
2. Rachael Croft (In Person), Safe Routes to School Representative for
Escondido Elementary and resident of Southgate, emphasized the
prioritization of student safety over the level of service of cars. Kids
south of Oregon Expressway will not ride their bikes to Escondido
because there is no safe way to get across Oregon, then get through
the California Tunnel, and then come over to Escondido. Her opinion
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was there should be safe bike crossings throughout Palo Alto. She
realized there were cost concerns but felt that there should be
frequent crossings, at Kellogg, Seale, and south of Charleston.
Looking at the Meadow and Charleston crossings, she questioned
putting bikes along with cars and wondered about separating them,
crossing where there are no cars. She pointed out that it was
important to get the crossings done before the construction is done for
the cars so that pedestrians can maintain their biking habits while
construction is ongoing.
3. Cedric Pitot de la Beaujardiere supported the idea to move the access
ramps to the center of the path for the Kellogg underpass east of Paly
to avoid crossing conflicts and felt there would be minimal impacts to
the Paly property to accommodate this. He had advocated closing
Kellogg to through traffic at Alma. Regarding the issue about access
for emergency vehicles and garbage trucks, he suggested a soft
closure to prevent private vehicles but allow emergency vehicles and
garbage trucks to pass. There would be less vehicle traffic, so it would
be safer for bicycles and pedestrians entering and exiting that ramp.
He stated the ADA ramp maximum slope is about 8.3% with 5-foot
landings required for every 30 inches of rise and questioned if the
ramp lengths took this into account, possibly increasing the overall
length of the needed ramp. He asked if the City had done outreach to
the owners of the homes that would be encroached upon or destroyed
by some of these proposals. He agreed that simpler is safer and felt it
was unfortunate that the viaduct option was dropped. He stated the
2-lane roundabout at Charleston is dangerous to navigate and suggested lanes merge before and diverge after the roundabout.
4. Adrian Brandt agreed on eliminating the central post in Churchill by
using the same type of bridge as Rengstorff. It would also have a
thinner bridge thickness, reducing the amount of excavation depth
required through Alma and Churchill. He agreed with Mr. Pitot de la
Beaujardiere that it was mistake to eliminate the viaduct at Churchill,
which would minimize construction impact, solve the problem of soil
excavation, and eliminate a lot of utility relocation impacts. All the
problems the Committee has been discussing would be eliminated by
having a viaduct.
5. Penny Ellson stated that the BPTP RFP it is now available on the portal
and recommended the Committee members look at that to see what is
in there related to this. She preferred a 5% grade for very young
children with small wheels and little legs still learning how to use their
brakes. She was concerned about the hybrid plan with expressway
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traffic and Charleston-Meadow traffic going downhill toward the
intersection. Elementary school children use those intersections, and
that downhill is very difficult, even with a 5% grade.
6. Tony Carrasco stressed that pedestrians and bicycles have very
different geometries. While they are spoken about as bike-ped
together, he felt they needed to be separated. For instance, the
length of a ramp is more intense for a pedestrian than for someone on
a bike. These configurations force pedestrians to walk extended
distances. He agreed with Mr. Pitot de la Beaujardiere and Mr. Brandt
that it does not make sense to eliminate the viaduct. The big issue
with the viaduct was that residents could not visualize how
landscaping will eliminate most of the visual problems in a shorter
time than it will take to construct the other alternatives. Being able to
do it in 6 months versus 6 years is enormous in a construction project.
Next Steps and Future Agendas
Next meeting will be November 18, 2022, at 1:00 p.m.
Adjournment: The meeting was adjourned at 4:08 p.m.